Bonus Ep 2: The Order

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- Hi listeners, I'm Michelle, host of the Kingdom of Fraud podcast.

And I'm excited to share this incredible story with you.

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search for I-Hark True Crime Plus, and subscribe today. - No, no. - Novel. (dramatic music) - You don't want to get out, you don't have to.

“- No, you don't have to get out, honestly.”

I don't want you guys to do anything. - I'm sitting in a car at the side of the road in a Salt Lake City suburb. The area is unremarkable, but the women I'm traveling with are still uneasy.

They don't want to get out of the car. (laughing) - For those of you guys keep talking, thank you. - I'm with one of my producers, Myron, and in the backseat are Amanda Grant and Priscilla Tucker,

two women who left the order. Or right now, we're on the orders turf. Amanda and Priscilla know people around here. They grew up with many of them. Ghosts of their past order lives,

and these people know them too. - We see you guys then, they're gonna call everybody and call the businesses. - Yeah, maybe the me with the microphone, not. - Mm-hmm.

- Coming here must feel like a risk to them, but this place is core to their stories. We heard from Amanda and Priscilla in the main series, but while reporting on Jacob Kingston,

I heard many other incredible stories.

Primarily, from and about women in the order. They are disconnected from Jacob's broad, but the stories are so dramatic. We had to share some of them with you. So in this bonus episode, we're taking a deep dive

into Amanda and Priscilla's life

(upbeat music)

My name is Michelle McFee,

“and from the teams at Novel and I, Harp podcast,”

this is Kingdom of Broad. Bonus episode two, The Order. (upbeat music) - Oh, do you want us to recite Armit Regiment? - Yes.

Okay, ready? One, two, three. It is my firm resolve and fixed purpose to get my all to the Lord. My time, my talents and all that I am,

wherever expected to be. - Before we head out on the road, I meet with Amanda and Priscilla in a hotel room in Salt Lake City. Back in 2015, Jacob Kingston had given 17-year-old Priscilla,

a job at Washiki Renewable Energy. He then tried to bring her into his house and into his life. He even brad to her about his fraud. In the end, Jacob married Priscilla's sister, Hannah,

as his third wife.

“Soon after that, Priscilla was done with the order for good.”

And she wasn't alone. Amanda, her childhood friend, helped her escape. Amanda had left the order a couple of years before that in 2013. Now, both women are in their late 20s

and they live and work in Las Vegas. This trip back home to Utah is a rare occasion. - To the establishment of Zion and the building up of the Kino about upon the Earth, true happiness is not found in doing what you want to do,

but in learning to like to do the things you ought to do. - If one thing is clear about order members, it's that everything in their lives and I mean everything revolves around the sect. - The strength of 10 because my heart is pure.

- I live my life, we say, as a Jesus Christ or by my son. - All of this pretty much starts at birth, or at least preschool, where kids like Amanda and Priscilla are made to recite these memory gems about order principles.

- It's crazy that I could go years without saying that and I could remember it. - It's just--

“- How often did you have to say that every day?”

- Morning. - It's also like the plantry of allegiance. - Both Amanda and Priscilla say they were taught marriage

and motherhood, where the most important things

they could do was women, or girls. - Priscilla remembers attending was sounds like Sunday school. - When we're young and tell about seven years old, it would be boys and girls in the classes

and we're just learning about the Bible and order and whatever else. And then when we turn eight, they separate the boys and the girls and we start to learn about marriage. - Amanda remembers how these teachings

made her feel when she was a teenager. They even one day in church had a whole lesson on how to be the perfect wife. I remember, I wanted to stomp out of the room. They would say that the true pure polygamous wife

that God wants is someone who is not jealous, who is a good mother, who is kind, submissive. Like the part that pissed me and my sister's off was we'll all of it, but there was a part that was like, when your husband gets home, make sure that the house is clean,

that the food is ready for him. And you wait for him to tell you about his day. And if he wants to hear about yours, then you can tell him about your wife. - By the way, that's in 1950's good housekeeping story,

as well, so stupid, yeah, it made me so mad. I was like, I'm gonna like the building on fire. (laughs) - Even if a girl gets married, it doesn't mean she's necessarily legally recognized as a wife.

This is such a, like, core part of order,

I guess history, right, is that the first wife

or the only ones that keep the last name, the second wife or the ones that do not obviously get legally married 'cause it's not legal to look for me, so they have the spiritual weddings. - Both Priscilla and Amanda's mothers were second wives

or spiritual wives. For most of her life, Amanda didn't know her mother was just one of many of her father's wives. And that her father's first wife was her mom's sister.

She told us that she was actually lied to about the identity of her dad as a child. A fake name was written on her birth certificate. But later on, her mom messed up. - I'm so grateful that she was honest with me

'cause so many moms in the order are like, "For looking me so great, I love being married to my brother and then the daughters will marry into it and be like, what the fuck you lied to me, you know?"

But my mom was like, I'm not gonna lie to you. I hate being the second wife.

“I hate being married to my sister's husband.”

She told me though that she had eyes for another person. When she was a teenager, she was young. She had other things in mind. But my dad started to have direction on her. - According to Amanda, her mother was just a child.

When her father started having direction on her. This isn't the first time I've heard this term having direction. So I asked Priscilla to explain what it means. - So Amanda will have a dream or a premonition or direction that he's supposed to wear a specific girl.

He'll talk to his parents. If they say yes, he'll talk to Paul. So these men will make meetings with Paul. - That would be brother Paul, the current leader of the order.

We've reached out to him for comment, but he never responded.

And then if Paul says, okay, yeah, go ahead and talk to her parents. They'll move on and then the parents are the last gatekeepers of, okay, yeah, you can talk to our daughter. And they would let multiple people go forward on you

before you talk to the man. Your parents would say, okay, like hear him out.

“No holding hands, remember, keep order standards.”

Don't say yes yet because we don't know. We still need to have a meeting with brother Paul. Amanda told us her mother didn't want to marry her father, but he told her he had heavenly direction on her. So she reluctantly said yes, had a wedding,

a secret wedding in the living room. One important thing about having direction Amanda says is that these heavenly premonitions only seem to matter when men have them. Here is the problem with any woman getting direction,

me as someone who got quote unquote direction. If my direction was not the man they wanted, they would be like, keep praying. There was literally times where my dad was like, I don't know who you're supposed to marry,

but I know it's not him. By the time I was 15, I was like, I'm getting the fuck out of here. I don't know how, but I'm going to get the fuck out of here. And by 17, I knew who they wanted me to marry. And I knew it was my cousin.

I was promised to a Kingston to keep that bloodline pure. The order denies actively arranging marriages to protect that bloodline. They say the term often used in the media, pure Kingston blood is, quote, "French,

I'm familiar in somewhat offensive." But Amanda tells me that decades ago,

or tell Kingston, the second leader in the order's history,

began the push towards polygamy and incest, within the group for this very reason. As soon as like Ortele's in power, it starts to become about religion. It starts to become about polygamy.

It starts to become about the pure bloodline of Christ. And there was this belief that Kingston was a pure bloodline directly linked to Christ. And that's where we think that the incest even is inspired. Because why else are we trying so hard to keep that Kingston

bloodline pure? The Kingston bloodline is not the only symbol of apparent status in the order. There's also the numbering system. Amanda describes the numbering system

as something that harkens back to the order's earliest days. So, brother Elden, right? He started the order he was number one. And the numbering system, there's different opinions on that numbering system.

But what I've been hearing from older generations in the order and out of the order, they said that Elden started the numbering system off just counting the members who joined the order. It was just, oh, you're the fifth person

who joined the order. When Paul comes into leadership, he realizes that people value the number like it's like gold. And that's when it became your number as you're ticket to heaven. According to Amanda, it's the current leader, brother Paul,

who cultivated what is now a prevailing belief in the order. That's the lower the man's number. The whole year, he's considered. Paul is number nine. And no women get numbers to be clear.

“That's why your number one choice is so important”

because that is your indicator if you're going to heaven or hell. So if you marry a numbered man, you're sealed. But what if a girl doesn't want to get married? Or perhaps not to the man who has direction on her.

From what Priscilla and Amanda say, this is simply not tolerated. You heard back in episode five about Priscilla's many arduous attempts to leave the order as a teenager,

which she says ultimately led her to be committed

to a rehab facility.

I knew exactly where I was going because my cousin, Jenny, disappeared a couple of months earlier

“and a guy that was kind of dating her at that time,”

followed her parents to figure out where they were hiding her and told me about this place. - Jenny being Jenny Kingston. She told us she was in this facility

for six months before she ultimately agreed

to marry Jacob Jr. in the exact same facility as Priscilla. - When I got brought in there, they had me go through all of these questions. Tears running down my face, like,

"Oh, are you suicidal?" "No, are you depressed?" "No." 'Cause I thought if I said no to everything, they would let me out.

(gentle music) - Priscilla was searched for drugs and her shoes were confiscated to stop her from running away. Then, finally, she was brought into the main room with the other patients.

- And they asked me, "Do you recognize anybody here?" So I look around and I see my cousin, I'm a cat and I was excited because I wasn't gonna be alone in there. And they're like, "You're not allowed to talk to her, look at her, nothing with her."

- Both Priscilla and Jenny say they were sent there for being too willful for speaking their minds for wanting agency over their own lives. But this was an all that was keeping them in the order's grip.

After the break, we dive into the mysterious order bank

“and how important money is for order members.”

- It represents status, power, and most importantly, control. - In the moment, it felt like it was going on forever. I didn't think I was gonna live, I was terrified. - There was no anything inside those eyes. They turned black.

- It scared the hell out of me.

- That was your first murder case.

- Yes, yeah. - It's fair to say this was the biggest case here, career. - Yes, sir. - We're at the murder of Chuggles, 12 year old Chuggles. - Bows it, guys.

- I would think so. - People wake up, and the woman saw the murder, take place by crevents and the people. - Anthony DiPipo showed no signs of remorse, appearing unfazed after being sentenced to the maximum.

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- And I'm Tom Boger. On our podcast, Inside American Soccer, we'll talk about the real storylines. - I'm not worried about ballistic, I'm not worried about ballagin,

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in the quarterfinals or potentially a great run into the semi-finals. Whether you're a lifelong fan, or this is your first World Cup. - We've got you up. (crowd cheering)

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in Tabernacle City, Ihard radio app, Apple podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. (dramatic music) - Hi listeners, I'm Michelle, host of the Kingdom of Fraud podcast.

And I'm excited to share this incredible story with you.

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to really open your eyes and breathe. And I wanna help you break that cycle.

“My name is Ryan Weiss, and for the past 15 years,”

I've been an emotional intelligence coach and spiritual guide, and I'm here to share with you my new podcast, Waking Up with Ryan. Waking Up with Ryan is a daily audio video podcast to interrupt the inertia of your fear, your ego, and judgment.

Here to help you connect with yourself before the noise of the day takes over. So let's start our days together with a moment of calm, a moment of reflection and meditation, a moment that's just for you.

Listen to Waking Up with Ryan on the Ihard Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. (electronic music) - We pulled into this parking lot

where there's a, I mean, I've never seen anything like this.

It's a allegedly a supermarket, but it's like an unmarked supermarket. It looks like a warehouse. - Back on the road in Salt Lake City, we pulled over to talk outside and order business

where Amanda used to work. When I say non-descript, you probably wouldn't look at a twice, but that's part of the order's MO.

“Members blend in, there's nothing about them”

that screams polygamy. - So all of the workers in there are gonna be order members, and this is where I worked under age. I was 15 or 16, but still like at that time,

I was, I don't think I was getting paid either. - Right. - I'm just walking there by, something is normal. - Yeah, all right. - This blending in means the order members

successfully run businesses that are integrated with the outside world. Reports from the 1990s suggest the order was worth $170 million. In 2011, Rolling Stone reported

the order had amassed and estimated 300 million. Today, who knows, back in the car, Amanda and Priscilla are jumpy. As I step out to see the unmarked supermarket. - Leave the kid and kiss with the car running,

and I'll just meet him somewhere else. - Okay, he feels weird. - Yeah, we can, we can't let him in somewhere else. - I'm glad you part here instead of right there because we are going to see order members

come around here. - Walking into the store was a strange experience. Amanda explains that outsiders don't do their grocery shopping here. - It's more for their members.

- It was clearly for their members. - Clearly, and as soon as I walked in, everybody's had turned to me. - Yeah, they're like, who you? - And I didn't even know it to buy.

And so I bought us a bag of nerd cluster candies.

- Amanda says order members don't always get a paycheck.

Instead, there's an internal credit system. You work, and the credit is added to your eternal account at the so-called bank. The credit can then be redeemed at other order stores of businesses.

Amanda says that spending US dollars and outside of companies isn't forbidden, but all of my incomeings and outgoings need to be in the name of the Lord. If the order doesn't have it, we don't need it.

So we were shopping at Walmart another place and they're like, "Man, I don't know. "You need to be recycling that money "and to an order business." - As a teenager, Amanda says she worked in the strange supermarket

and other order-linked businesses. She's one of many former order members who say that was in the group. Members of viewed as cheap and often underage labor.

Despite the hard work, many members of poor.

“Earning low wages and often supporting dozens of children,”

what I see in the aisles of this supermarket suggests many families are struggling to make ends meet.

- Bulk items of food, they always have bulk oats,

bulk oats, tons of bulk oats. - Bulk honey, because those are the staples of the orders, bulk, bulk oats, bulk honey. My mom would always go and get buckets, because you have 10 plus kids, right?

And it's cheaper to just buy it in bulk. - And then there's consecration, or giving your all to the Lord. The order encourages its members to live by the law of consecration.

Committing their resources to the church, from properties and savings, all the way down to personal possessions. For order members, it's part of what makes them more faithful. The mainstream Mormons.

They would make fun of, they would say, well, the Mormon church only does 10%

we give our all to the Lord.

That's how dedicated we are. To keep track of all this, Amanda explains that members fill out inventory forms. They list anything of value they have and sign it over to the order.

“- What's your first memory of writing one of those forms?”

- I remember asking my dad, like, "Is my guitar of value?" 'Cause that's probably the biggest value I had and was like $400 and he's like, "Yep, write it down." Amanda then tells me a story

about one of Jacob Kingston's half sisters. - She told me that she hated doing inventory forms because they would have to go through the entire room down to the bobby pin and write down everything. So it was family by family.

Some people were super serious about it. Like, I have two bobby pins. I have this, and she would start throwing stuff in the garbage, so she wouldn't have to write it down because they were so honest about what's God's and not theirs.

- The order says, quote, "We believe consecration to be the voluntary dedication of all the resources a person has to a cause to which they are fully converted." And they add, members are, quote,

“"Free to enjoy and share the fruits of their laborers."”

But just how free are we talking? - For Stella, then tells me more about the order bank. - So the order has its own banking system. When I was in there, it was just, you had to go into their actual physical building

and you would go there and say, "Hey, I need to access $20." They could send that authorization number two, the grocery store or wherever, and you were able to buy stuff. But if you were getting cash,

they were very much like, "Why do you need it?" Because they wanted you to spend all of your money in the order. - The order says that they maintain, quote, member accounts for recordkeeping and as a means for internal exchange.

- For Stella, remembers one instance when her sister had saved up for a car.

Once she finally had enough,

she requested the money from the order bank. For Stella says, "When her sister went in to collect the cash, the bank tell her told her, "I can't give you that money." She's like, "Why, I added it on." She's like, "Yeah, but we need that money

"because college is starting and there's a lot of people "that need to buy their books for school." So they would basically say, "You can't have your money right now. "We have other more important things

"to spend your money on." - The order's spokesperson told us he isn't aware of quote any time when an authorized adult was not able to access their funds. "And that kids need permission from adults

"to access their money." Now, I have to see this back. Once we leave the supermarket, Amanda and Priscilla guide me to the building, which doesn't look anything like

a financial institution. Nor do I see any security. Just like the supermarket, there's no signage. - Yeah, I worked right past those doors. This is where I would give Priscilla her money.

I would slide it out for her. Right, I would show her a text from my mom on my phone and then she'd be like, "Okay, sounds good "and then write a fake authorization number." - During Amanda and Priscilla's final months in the order,

they were busy planning their escapes. Amanda would go first. But before she took off, she'd help Priscilla too. Because Priscilla was a minor, she needed permission from a parent

to withdraw money she'd earned at work. Unless she had a friend who worked at the back, like Amanda. - Amanda was about to leave, so she was like, "I'll get whatever you need, whatever I can."

- Yeah. - So I could only take 500 out of day.

“So after I would get you guys your stuff,”

I would take the rest and I would get fake authorization and I only got 2,000 out and then left. When people leave the order, they often leave with nothing. Amanda and Priscilla forged new lives for themselves,

but the little bit of cash they were able to withdraw without arousing too much suspicion. But as hard as it is to leave, life after the order can be even harder.

First is the isolation, leaving everyone you know

and love friends, family, behind. And then there's the threat of eternal damnation that have been drilled into their heads since they were little kids. If you can manage all that, what's left?

That's after the break. - In the moment, it felt like it was going on forever. I didn't think I was gonna live. I was terrified. - There was no anything inside those eyes.

They turned black. They scared the hell out of me. - That was your first murder case. - Yes, sure.

“- Fear to say this was the biggest case here, career?”

- Yes, sir. - Red, the murder of a chunk is probably more challenging. - It's bad as it gets. - I would think so. - People wake up and the woman saw the murder,

paid place by crevents and the people. - Anthony DePippo showed no signs of remorse, appearing unfazed after being sentenced to the maximum. - I said I'm not guilty, I'll take it to the grave. (dramatic music)

- Listen to the devil's quarry on the Ihard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the devil's quarry add free with exclusive content, subscribe to Love of For Good Plus on Apple Podcasts.

- Hey, I'm Hoda Cotby, host of the podcast, Joy 101 with Hoda Cotby, okay, if you know me, you know this.

I'm always searching for inspiration, for support,

and useful tools to help maximize joy. So this podcast lets us uncover all of that together.

“We're gonna have these meaningful conversations”

with the world's most fascinating people. Like when actress Olivia Munn shared how she overcame fierce health challenges that she never saw coming. - I've gone through breast cancer and it helped my mother through breast cancer

and that was more difficult. There's a lot of people who understand post-partner question. I was not prepared for post-partner anxiety. - Olympic champ Sean Johnson revealed why she had no choice, but to be a gymnast.

- There was something about gymnastics that was intoxicating to me. It's given me a belief that we all have one of those treasures inside of us. We just have to find it.

- Listen to Joy 101 with Hoda Cotby on the Ihard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. (crowd cheering) - American soccer is exploding.

- The knockout rounds are here. - The US won their group and now every match is winner go home. (crowd cheering) - You are safe.

- I'm Tat Bramos. - And I'm Tom Boger. On our podcast, Inside American Soccer, we'll talk about the real story lines. - I'm not worried about ballistic,

I'm not worried about ballagin, I'm not worried about McKinney, my only concern is what happens in the back. - And give you the truth about the US National Team from Inside the Program.

- It wouldn't be a huge surprise if our team ends up in the quarterfinals or potentially a great run into the semi-finals. Whether you're a lifelong fan or this is your first world cup. - We've got you cup.

- Listen, Inside American Soccer with Tom Boger and Tabaramels and Ihard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. - High listeners, on Michelle, host of the Kingdom of Fraud Podcast.

And I'm excited to share this incredible story with you.

I'm also excited to tell you that you can get access to all episodes of Kingdom of Fraud. 100% ad-free in one week early through the Ihard True Crime Plus subscription available exclusively on Apple Podcasts.

Plus, you'll get access to other chart, topping true crime shows you love, like the girlfriends. The trail, the godmother, paper goes, piked in massacre, murder homes, unrestorable, and more. So don't wait, head to Apple Podcasts,

search for Ihard True Crime Plus and subscribe today. - Hi, my love. Starting your day can be tough.

Maybe hit snooze and then scroll on your phone

for a while, checking your emails,

“all before even giving yourself the chance”

to really open your eyes and breathe. And I want to help you break that cycle. My name is Ryan Weiss, and for the past 15 years, I've been an emotional intelligence coach and spiritual guide, and I'm here to share

with you my new podcast, "Waking Up with Ryan." "Waking Up with Ryan" is a daily audio video podcast to interrupt the inertia of your fear, your ego, and judgment. Here to help you connect with yourself before the noise of the day takes over.

So let's start our days together with a moment of calm, a moment of reflection and meditation, a moment that's just for you. Listen to "Waking Up with Ryan" on the Ihard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

(upbeat music) - How funny about your job? - There's so much darkness that you guys are talking about, and it's such a beautiful place. - I know.

- Turn left, into here. - It looks so different, what the hell? Is this it? - It's been an emotional day for Amanda and Priscilla, visiting homes where they lived,

places they worked. Amanda is clearly on edge. - I started getting a lot of anxiety, just because the most trauma I've ever experienced was in the order, and the last time I was

feeling the most defenseless, and I was defenseless and helpless was in the order. Like I had no free will, and so being there was bringing up like, even though I know I'm free,

I know what those people have done, I know what they're guilty of, I know it's not just tax fraud. - These two women have made new lives to themselves in Las Vegas, starting from scratch,

after leaving their families with practically nothing. So being back here in Utah, Priscilla says is hard. - Definitely every single time I am in Utah,

“a lot of feelings come up, and I think that,”

when I'm living my life in Las Vegas, and it's just normal, I'm just living my life, but every time we return to this place, we just have conversations of being in the order and leaving, and all of that, it definitely does bring up a lot of feelings of,

it sucks that my family is still here, I guess, because I would love to see them out, and I would love to connect with them on a deeper level, but I feel like that's just not possible, where they're at. - Growing up in the order was clearly difficult

for Amanda and Priscilla, and by the sounds of it, for most girls, so I want to know, was there ever a final straw moment for Amanda? - It was so hard to be a woman in there, 'cause no one listened to me, if a man said it,

that Trump's my opinions and anything that I actually did, even if people saw it, if a man said something else happened, that's what happened.

What finally sparks like knowing I was going to leave,

was thinking of having kids there, having daughters there. At this point, I was like, God hates women, or I did something wrong and heaven, before I was born here, that I'm suffering and being punished, because whatever I didn't have it,

and I'm repenting for it in this life. So I ran away one day, and like, to preface, I don't know, I'm not gonna say this was God, or the Holy Ghost, or whatever, I'm just gonna tell you what happened. I run away with my Bible, and I'm like balling, desperate,

praying to God, like, God, if the order is true, just tell me, like give me some sign, 'cause it feels so wrong, if it's right, why does it feel so wrong? Give me a sign, and I will live polygamy,

I'll marry my cousin, I'll do all the things they're telling me to do, but I need an answer from you, not from Paul, not from my dad, and no shit, after I'm crying, like, not dripping on him, and I was praying,

I opened the Bible to a random page,

and the first words I read are,

there will be false prophets among you. I was like, what? So that was, I started crying, like, happy tears, like, that's the answer, that's all I needed, that is all I needed, I don't know how I'm gonna get out,

but I'm going to leave. The problem was, Amanda says her mother told her, she would cut her off from her brothers and sisters.

“I think a lot of people think, especially outside,”

it's like, so you got out, so you win and you're happy, but I didn't know if I was gonna see my family again, so I was saying goodbye, and part of me was feeling so guilty, like, I can't protect them anymore. I was a second oldest, so it was like losing my babies,

and I did get people being like, why did you leave me? Why didn't you take me with you?

Amanda and Priscilla have always been fighters.

Now, on the outside, they have a voice and social media. People would be like, how are you so passionate to, like, leave the order and speak out, honestly in the beginning, it was hate. I was so angry at Paul, so my drive was,

I'm gonna burn this place to the fucking ground, 'cause I didn't know how to love. Now that it's been, like, 11 years, it's passion for like, these girls deserve a better life. I see myself and them, and I want so badly

for them to have these options.

“That's why I chose to dedicate my time to this.”

This is my full-time job for a reason. It's empowering these other people. It empowers me every time I'm using my voice. It feels like it's not just my voice,

but my mother who never got to speak.

My grandmother who died for the order, but later I heard stories of her silently fighting. Like, these are the voices of generations of women finally, like, we're gonna be speaking together. Amanda has also taken matters to court.

In September 2022, Amanda, Jenny, and eight other plaintiffs filed a civil suit against the order. It's church, multiple businesses, and even individual members. The suit alleges unpaid work, child labor, sexual violence,

human trafficking, incest, abuse, and other charges. As I record this, the suit is still ongoing in the federal court system.

“When we ask the order for comment about the lawsuit,”

they denied all the allegations. Saying the order is, quote, "Not anymore immune to preposterous claims "than any other organization." They add, quote, "The civil lawsuit reads more like

"the script to a sensationalize TV production than a lawsuit." For Stella isn't involved in this lawsuit. She has been focusing on her young daughter. She wants her little girl to experience a totally different kind of childhood than her own.

I am just so proud and happy that my daughter can one, see somebody being strong and standing up for themselves finally, and two, I love that she can have feelings and express them. And she doesn't feel the need to go crying her room

because I'm gonna get mad that she is sad. And she's so emotionally aware, I'll have these conversations with her where, she'll be like, "Why don't you see your mom?" And I'll just tell her, "Oh well, my mom's not very nice.

"Her response was, it's okay because you have me "and I am nice to you and you're nice to me."

And I just love that because she's never known

where she just is scared of me. And I love that. - For cellar credits Amanda, with a lot of the scrutiny that's been brought on to the order in recent years. For cellar says Amanda has been encouraging other women

and men to tell their own stories about the order. - For such a long time they've been just intimidating everybody and we've been so scared to speak out like there's a whole generation that left before us that have never shared their stories.

“And I honestly credit Amanda a lot because she”

has been telling people stories and they're like, "I want to tell my story." - But Amanda says all of this is a collective effort. So many of us, like, Priscilla over there, all of the women who left the burning fire

see the end of the tunnel choose to go back with, I'm gonna cry. Buckets of water, they're still trying to heal, but they choose to go back in the burning fire. And that's how I see all these women,

they're still suffering. They have the choice to go be free and heal, but knowing the suffering of these children and women and family, they go back in the burning building. Like, it's not even a question

and they're bringing the water. (gentle music) (gentle music) The sun is slowly sinking behind the mountains at the edges of Salt Lake City.

In the hotel room, we wind our way back to the topic that brought us all here in the first place.

Jacob is at the center of the story.

I wanted to tell about corruption, fraud, and his relationship with the lion. But in the multi-generational and epic history of the order, Jacob Kingston is merely a footnote. I asked Amanda what she thinks about Jacob,

now that he's behind bars.

“I think Jacob was just a pawn in the game,”

and Jacob was so excited to be a part of it. I do believe that Jacob came from a very abusive household, but from the stories I've heard 'cause my aunt was engaged to him. That abusiveness made him an asshole too.

A lot of Daniel's boys, I don't know how Daniel makes them this way, but it's like they're all competing for Daddy's love.

And so like, it's part of me wants to feel bad for Jacob,

but another part of me is like, did Jacob do anything to not oppress these women to fight for these children? No, so it's hard to feel bad for someone who's repeating the cycle.

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