Episode 652: The Du Pont Foxcatcher Murder Part I - The Merchants of Death

It's a lot of money. So are you telling the audience to get ready? Sure. Get ready. Here we come. It's the last podcast on the left. My name is Marcus Parks. I'm here with Henry Zebrowski, the man who vaguely knows the worst of songs, but not really. I know a lot of words to songs. It really depends if they're playing on the radio. While I'm listening to it. Yeah, and I said the word radio. I'm ancient. Fuck all of you. He's 42. He's not ancient.

And we have with us the eldest member of the last podcast family at Larson. That's right. You can see the morning, but I can see the light. Ride, ride, ride, ride, let it ride.

Yes. Correct. He'll always be correct. Popping, turn around the drive.

Now, that's a family. I would agree and letting them run the United States of America.

“The Bachman turners? Yes. The Canadian, I believe. Yeah.”

Why are we talking about the men who run America? Well, today we are starting a series. It started off as a one-partner. Then it moved to a two-partner. And now it is a fucking three-partner. This is the DuPont Fox catcher murder. On January 26, 1996, an Olympic gold medal winning wrestler named Dave Schultz was murdered on a sprawling estate in Pennsylvania called Fox catcher farms. He was murdered by the farms multi-millionaire owner and heir of the DuPont family named John E. DuPont.

Now, was he dressed like a fox? Because I would have been his first mistake. Well, these would then be the DuPont Ferrymer. It's not, I'm sorry. I wish they were. The John E. DuPont is indeed a fascinating and bizarre character worthy of an episode. But after looking into the story further, we decided that the story of John DuPont would work as a nice companion piece to our series on Alec Murdoch. See, while Alec Murdoch was an example of what happens when privilege gets out of control

“within a family that controls just five counties in one of America's poorest states.”

The story of John E. DuPont is what happens when the same thing occurs within one of the families that controls America itself.

It's kind of amazing. It took that long. Yeah.

The history of the DuPont family who were nicknamed "The Merchants of Death" by journalists after World War I, because of the insane profits they made off of the war, that history is inextricably linked to the darkest sides of American history. It goes back to damn near the founding of our country. The DuPont families companies have provided munitions and explosives to the American government in every war in our country's history saved the revolution. From the gunpowder used in the war of 1812 to the enriched uranium used in the atomic bombs dropped in Japan.

So, congratulations. That's not what the point you're trying to make. Oh, I thought you were saying they were really good in business.

“This was a different podcast that would have been like a praise.”

From the gunpowder used in the war of 1812 to the enriched uranium used in the atomic bombs dropped on Japan.

The DuPont company truly is a titan of history. Good on you, DuPont. Can't wait to be a billionaire myself. All I have to do is pull my dick that seems to be swollen inside of my sister. Out of it.

I'm sure I'm on my way to millions of dollars. The DuPont's, however, are not just involved in war profiteering. As their 1935 slogan put it, the more public facing side of the DuPont company provides quotes, "Bad at things for better living through chemistry." [laughter]

Yeah, I would put it more like better things for better living through chemistry. Yeah, well that is how it went. Like some guy read it like that and like we can't talk to the people like that. [laughter] Can we read you again? Not really robot chick.

[laughter] Barney? We need to get stopped doing these commercials. Better things for better living through chemistry. [laughter]

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When the war of 1812 kicked off against the British, the United States government increased their gunpowder order with the

DuPontz to half a million pounds per year, which meant that Irina DuPontz had to build even

more powder mills to keep up with the demand. But even though profits were skyrocketing, the DuPontz still wanted more. They wanted to keep taxes on the company and wages paid to their employees as low as possible. So they hired an actual paramilitary force to quote unquote bribe people into voting for legislation that favored those policies. Basically, the DuPontz would have their private army guard the bank where the workers got paid.

And in exchange for their compliance and voting the way the DuPontz wanted, the workers were, let's say, highly encouraged to take hard liquor beer if they drank, if they were Methodist or gunpowder if they didn't if they were quicker. Wow, that is like not a lot. Yeah, but it's still people really like that stuff to this day. They do, but it's also like they are highly, it's that thing like, you know, it's like a

Serpico, like, are you not taking a money?

“What's wrong with you? Why are you not taking a money?”

What's your being forced to do? Yeah, you were being fought like they're, they're bribing quote unquote bribing, but you're being forced to take it. Now there were enough people. Because they're fucking mafia. Yeah, now there were enough people, there's more than a mafia.

They are a literal army. Yeah, the mafia, they would destroy the mafia. Yeah, congrats. Now there were enough people in Delaware who didn't work for the DuPontz where an uproar rose over this vote to be taking. Delaware, therefore, passed a state law prohibiting the raising of private armies by employers.

They actually had to make that a law, but the DuPontz were one step ahead. Instead of fighting the law, Irina Jepontz brother, Victor DuPontz, he got elected as a state representative and later a senator.

With the DuPontz in Congress, they enacted legislation that basically guaranteed DuPontz rule over Delaware in perpetuity.

Still in, still rule it to this day. Honestly, you didn't keep it. I was thinking the same thing. It's bad because of that, well, I'm going to get into a lady. I know that.

But I'm joking about Delaware. I'm certain it's fine. It's the first state. The first one to say yay. Now the DuPontz, we're rigging the system in America.

Justice Pierre had rigged it with the monarchy in France. But the DuPontz thought of themselves as royalty in more ways than one. See, in 1833, Irina DuPontz daughter married the son of Irina DuPontz brother. Wait a second. Hey, you're not a DuPontz.

Don't interrupt the French.

The newlyweds were, of course, first cousins.

And this would become a common practice amongst the DuPontz. Of course, not the nobody kisses like my fucking aunt Becky.

“And honestly, thank God, her downstairs lips made her upstairs lips once again with my cousin.”

Becky. But like the monarchies of old, the DuPontz routinely married their first and second cousins to keep the company entirely within their family. Oh, yeah. Now, as Garth and his so succinctly put it in preacher, son of God or son of man, you can't fuck your sister and expect much good to come of it. Yeah, it makes for horrible movies.

Well, while the DuPontz weren't necessarily sister fucking as far as we know, they have been in the strictest sense of the word in in bread family since the 1830s. And that's bound to create a few weird fuckers here and there as they continue to shit out more and more DuPont parasites. You, you can say it's like regal to marry your first cousin and whatever state. I want to say it's like through how many it's like three or four states or whatever you can marry legally marry your first. It's a fair amount.

I mean, we know, you know, everyone knows a holding McNally his grandparents his grandparents for first cousins. Oh, yeah. But then today, I think they were just first cousins once. I think if you just do it once, you just get a holding, but if you keep doing it over and over and over again, you get a John department. So you think it was once, yeah.

Yeah, you think it was once. Nineteen states and Washington, D.C. Oh, really. Yeah. Oh, so yeah, it's our capital. That's fun to do. It just feels like it's too close. Yeah, there's all kinds of rules that should be that should be an existence that aren't you. Why do we need to withdraw?

The DuPont's acquired enough wealth early on in America's history where the boom and bust cycles that ruin the lives of regular Americans.

As the unstable American economy of the 1800s took down tens of thousands of other businesses, the DuPont's never faltered.

“And in fact, scooped up as many of these businesses as they could whenever the market took a downturn.”

Mostly though, the DuPont's thrived because providing munitions for American wars always has been and always will be very good business. Settlers traveling west, for example, back in the 1800s, they needed a lot of gunpowder to fight and kill any tribe that stood in their way. There were a lot, a lot of tribes out there to kill. Yeah, man, fucking horse pain in the ass. You can't believe that they just sat there where they lived.

No, no, no, no, I said no, no, look at my hat. My homestack. I can see your balls. You don't deserve a house.

Mechan armies along the Canadian and Mexican borders, they also, they always needed plenty of gunpowder reserves at the ready.

Additionally, the United States government, they owed a debt to the DuPont's for whatever lands they obtain for whatever may have happened on those Canadian and Mexican borders. Just as Pierre DuPont had played a part in the Louisiana purchase, the DuPont's also provided gunpowder for the Mexican American War, which resulted in the acquisitions of Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, and where we sit currently California.

“Wow, that's another one of those sentences. You want to read it again?”

Just as Pierre DuPont had played a part of the Louisiana purchase, the DuPont's also provided gunpowder for the Mexican American War, which resulted in the acquisitions of Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, and that beautiful land in which we currently sit, California, USA. Thank you for the typos! The DuPont's, however, were not selling gunpowder to America because they believed in the American experiment. The DuPont's were pure business, and therefore sold gunpowder to whoever wanted it just so long as it didn't conflict with their biggest contract, the one with America.

For example, even after Pierre DuPont had been jailed in France for speaking out against Napoleon Bonaparte, Pierre still sold 40,000 pounds of gunpowder to Napoleon Bonaparte to aid Napoleon's conquest of Europe. Were you gonna get it? Checks clear! By the 1830s, the DuPont's were also exporting 1.2 million pounds of gunpowder per year to South America and the West Indies in service of slaughtering those indigenous populations as well, meaning that the DuPont's were, in effect, the sponsors of indigenous genocide across the globe.

No, not them in smallpox. And hey, but again, remember, if the indigenous people had the scratch, they could have bought it too.

“That's right! I think that's what we're talking about here is that they really, they wanted to get in.”

So you're talking about the market forces. They really wanted to get in there, they could have bought it in the right way. The American way, and also the French way, and the market way. And you get it every way. The Western way? Well, it may also come as no surprise that the DuPont were pro-slavery, or as they put it, they weren't pro-slavery, they were against abolition. No, no reason to be negative. They don't like to make people upset. The South really likes to blow shit up and they buy a lot of bombs for my softly. You know, and I also kind of noticed a lot of the North Head slaves anyway, so we didn't really, you know, and we thought, you guys didn't really care, we don't really care.

Yeah, I'm in Delaware, I had slides.

But when the American Civil War broke out, the DuPonts sided with the Union, because the United States of America had always been the DuPont's best customer.

Did they sell gunpowder to the South? No, not at all. In fact, the way that the DuPont set up pricing, and because the DuPont had become the biggest supplier of gunpowder in America, because they had been kind of like near a monopoly, they charged the United States 33 cents per pound for gunpowder, where he's the Confederacy had no access to DuPont gunpowder, and the DuPonts did make the best gunpowder around. So the Confederacy had to pay up to $3 per pound for their gunpowder, which of course greatly contributed to the Confederacy's defeat, and it shows you exactly how corporations can simply use prices to complete the shape the world to fit their own wants and desires. It's how it all works.

And in one hand, it's like, yeah, good. I'm got the North One, but it's also interesting the fact that they, it's like the very first like inner war we fought was also about like resources, and those with the most resources won. So you hear that all you Confederate sympathizers, it's DuPont's fault. You should take your anger out. It's a corporation. Dude, it was DuPont who did it. Yeah, they hate your flag. Yeah, dude, go through some cellophos, go honestly.

That's what I recommend you knew. Or I would say, go through your house and find every single product that has DuPont's handed it and take it out to the front yard and you burn it.

And then you go back into your, well, your empty lot because your house is going to have to be burned down as well. So yeah, go for it. A gunpowder was merely where things started for the DuPont family. In the late 1860s, an inner pricing member of the family named Lamott DuPont became very interested in a new invention called dynamite. Lamott, however, was one of the few DuPont's to become a victim of his own system.

“Lamott had to contend with the head DuPont at the time, Henry DuPont, and Henry was notoriously stubborn. He thought the dynamite was too new fangled. Why are you dynamite when gunpowder can do the job?”

Because you said dynamite, Biggle. And so Lamott went behind Henry DuPont's back and began making dynamite in his own factory in New Jersey. But since Lamott DuPont was so hell bent on getting dynamite off the ground, he was present and involved when his new Jersey plant blew the fuck up. One day in 1884, Lamott was working on his chemical mixture when he accidentally allowed 2,000 pounds of nitroglycerin to boil overnight. I don't know, rookie mistake. Sometimes he's like, I just cut it so close.

This caused an unstoppable chain reaction. And even though Lamott tried to dilute the mixture himself, it was too late to stop the inevitable explosion.

“The Vat blew up, taking the entire factory down with it. And since the mill was built into the side of a hill, tons of earth came crashing down on the mott, breaking his neck instantly and badly mutilating his corpse.”

That's a lot of Dodo. You're right, but you're right. You're right, Garny. Let's get you back over here, stop looking at all the tragedy. Stop beating all the rubble. Now play with that funny little little mechanism there. Lamott DuPont was nowhere near the only person killed in a DuPont munitions factory in the 1800s. Throughout the century, almost 400 people died in DuPont powder mills, mostly from explosions caused by static electricity.

See, safety regulations slow down production. We all know this. So the DuPont lobbied for laws that prevented unionizing and therefore prevented regulation on the argument that unions, it impeded the DuPont's free speech.

Yeah, first amendment. Think about the concept of a corporation's free speech. Yeah, man, all they want to say is Donald by everybody.

Let their free flag fly, man. DuPont workers, however, pushed forward. But when they began striking in the 1890s, DuPont hired private and federal armies, police and who else, but the infamous Pinkerton detective agency to end these strikes with swift and brutal violence. At the same time, though, the DuPont family was going through a fair amount of personal dramas. Oh, and we'll think about how hard time they're having. You're just dragged in. There's so much going on when you fuck your cousin.

“Oh, I guess it's because you got to, I mean, honestly, you spend so much time together having growing up together.”

Lamott DuPont calls and quarrels. You fuck just like my uncle. I know your daddy's knees are broken by the DuPont jackboots, but this other DuPont's having a fight with this brother. I actually really feel a lot for them. When 1892, a department named Louis shot himself in the head with a revolver because he was upset that his brother was marrying a woman that Louis loved not a cousin, by the way. Also, guess what, major itch, guys. Girls don't care. People girls are like super, not impressive. People all your brains out and front of them.

And, like, by the way, the head's like the worst place to shoot yourself. You're like almost always died.

Yeah, well. Corbina Pussy. Totally true, but speaking of cousins, a bit of a DuPont family feud swelled when another DuPont man declined the option of marrying one of his cousins in favor of a poor Irish bar made quite scandalous. The scandal's only continued when a Kentucky DuPont named Alfred, the wealthiest man in Louisville, he was shot and killed by a disgruntled sex worker after Alfred got the sex worker pregnant and tried abandoning the poor woman.

Gunpowder barons? They're just like us. [laughter] (laughing)

- That's all right, I get it, it's a lot of pressure.

“- You need to have mirror, was it Gamal?”

Was it called, when you get there, when you get the lady on the side, was it when a Gamal? - Mysterious? - No, no, no, the Gamal.

- The Gamal. - The Gamal. - Go on, go on, go on. - Hey, talking to Talian. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

- Okay, yeah, you're Gamal. - Once again, it's a mob thing, the Gamal, the Gamal sucks your dick. - You're gunmal. - Yeah, no, it's my official girlfriend

because you're wife, she can't do that, she cuts my kids with that mob. - Oh, yeah, you can't fucking around. - You gotta make sure. - You got your Gamal.

- Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, well, this guy's Gamal shot and killed him. - Well, you do. Now when this happens, I'm done. (laughing)

- Now when the so-called American century began in 1900, the DuPont's found a way to be at the forefront of just about every great project for the next 100 years. - Wow. - As it turned out, Dynamite had been a pretty good investment.

The Panama Canal, one of the first massive works of the century was built with DuPont Dynamite.

“You know how much Dynamite you need to blast a hole”

that fucking big, it's a lot. - Okay, dad dude. - I would say like, LPN wanted it, I think we were gonna invest an infusion tank. - Sure, oh, cold, cold, cold fusion.

- That's cool. - We're gonna have it here in the office. I'm gonna get a black hole machine. - Let's take you, yes, next. - Sure, right, a proposal, we'll look into it.

- Yeah, that's so great. - It's by bigs called the universe gaper, and like work him here in the world. (laughing) - However, there would be nothing more profitable

for the DuPont's thus far than the five years of firestorms and mass murder that was World War I. - Ah, great for them.

- 15 to 22 million people would be dead

by the end of the war. But in the United States, the war would also create 20,000 new millionaires. - Then he pulls out! (laughing)

- That's happening. - Oh, that's the same. - It is pretty, I mean, if you're looking at the map, how they look at it, yes, if you give human lives, equal capital, then net positive for America.

And then he of those millionaires would of course be DuPont's. Now, the DuPont's had switched to smokeless gunpowder by this point, along with everyone else. But if you remember, the key ingredient in smokeless powder was industrial alcohol, made from fucking molasses.

- Do you remember? (laughing) That means that the DuPont's were possibly inadvertently connected to the great molasses plot of 1919, because nobody in America made more smokeless gunpowder

during World War I than the DuPont company. - Yeah, sure. So it didn't fucking not, yeah, I mean, like it definitely didn't help. - So they were they responsible for that, too,

was that their company? - It was not their company. I did check on it actually, it was one of their competitors, but they were driving the market. - Yeah, they were driving the market.

Because that's the thing is that these competitors were needing to make as much as possible to try to compete with the DuPont's, 'cause the DuPont's kept their prices so low. It's the same thing that Walmart does today.

You keep the prices incredibly low to drive out all the local competitors. - So yeah, it does when you have these companies like this, it does not necessarily force, because these men of course aren't forced to do anything,

but they feel like they have to cut corners in order to get more profit, so they can follow the big dogs. But it is, I think the point is, it is DuPont who is setting the tone.

- Yes. - And they are all following DuPont's lead. - And obviously, if you don't know the answer to this,

“we'll just cut it out, but where did Germany get their gunpowder?”

Did they get it from DuPont? - In World War I? - Yeah. - They did not get it from DuPont. - No, no, no, no, no, no. There was a little bit of,

there was a bit of sneakiness with Germany in World War I with DuPont, but the real sneakiness is gonna come with Germany in World War II. - Oh, yes, they were real sneakiness. - Yeah, so we're super sneak.

- Yeah, we'll get into the sneakiness of the Deponse and the Nazis on the next episode. - Oh, they created their own thing called the hybrid boss process. They had their own way of innovating gunpowder.

- Cool, good for them. - Yeah. Now, the DuPont sold millions of pounds of gunpowder to the British alone over the course of World War I.

What began as 21 million pounds in 1914

for the British grew to an order of 455 million pounds just four years later. At the same time, though, the DuPonts were also behind a propaganda campaign to get the United States involved in the Great War,

so the DuPonts could get their best customer in the game. The big DuPont in the early 20th century, Coleman DuPont routinely published scathing attacks on any government official who was anti war by using an organization

called the National Security League. The NSL called for increased military service and an increased arsenal,

There was even a DuPont Senator in Congress, who spent all of his times steering other senators towards entering the war, which we did in April of 1917. DuPont, of course, provided the munitions and that Senator retired from Congress that same year.

- Oh, very smart. - No, man, job done. - Man, it's so many times, it's like, my first thought, it's just like, man, these guys really fucking awesome.

And then you're like, oh, wait a second, this is really bad. - Yeah, of course, it was empty. - You know what that is, Eddie? - You're true, American.

- Yeah. - We're like true fucking American, I do the same thing. We have to constantly, we have to, like, on, like, we're brainwashed. - Yeah, brainwashed.

“- Well, it's, you know, it's respecting the game, you know?”

It's like where you're like, wow, like holy shit. That's clever, it's very clever. - What also just shows if you get in early, you know, you can do a lot, speaking of, or 15 year anniversary of doing podcasting.

- Yeah, it's amazing how low the bar could be.

If you just get their first, yeah. - Actually, in June, it will be, June is my 25th anniversary in broadcasting. - Oh, wow. - Yeah, I've been in this business for 25 years.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Should I give you like an ash tray or something? - Yeah. - Give me a watch, how's it about that? - Let's see what we can, let's see what we can do.

- Let's see what we can take up. - Yeah, I'll look at you. - Yeah, please, look at me. The dupons did not just make, look at me. - Look at me.

- Look at me. Now, the dupons did not just manufacture explosives for the allied forces. Although the dupon company did make 40% of all the explosives used by the allies throughout the war.

Remember that the dupons were chemists. So they also manufactured deadly poison gases for use in the battlefields. They made chlorine gas. They made the dreaded mustard gas.

“They were not the only people who made this stuff,”

but they definitely made it and sold it and it was used on the battlefield. Now, the point of both of these gases is that they burn and blind the enemy. While one gas mostly burned internally,

while the other mostly burned externally, it's hard to say which one was actually worse. And I actually kind of want to ask the two of you like out of the after I give you all of what these do. Tell me which one you want.

- All right, cool. - Yeah, I'll keep it. - I'm leaning towards mustard, love pretzels. - I mean, I'll give you two.

- I'm feeling like first response to be like mustard

or chlorine, I'm like, (laughs) - Give it mustard. - Yeah, is it honey mustard? - It's actually more sulfur. It's mustard because sulfur is yellow. - Oh, I thought it was sulfur.

- Sulfur sulfur of course, yes, oh, yeah. - But I like a good sulfur bath. We'll talk about it, okay, did one nice one. - Chlorine gas, for example, that causes internal burns to the esophagus

and stomach when inhaled. It causes debilitating pain and frequently blood vomit. - Mustard gas, I mean, wow. - I would assume it would be vomiting blood, but it's just called blood vomit.

- I mean, that's what I call it. - Oh, I call it. - Are you vomiting blood?

“'Cause to me, if you're vomiting, it's vomit,”

but if it's blood, it's blood vomit. - It is blood vomit, yeah. - It's specifically blood vomit. In there, but vomiting blood because of what the chlorine gas is doing to their inside.

- So there's no food in there, it's just blood. - It's just blood. And it's your own blood. It's not blood that you like drank earlier. - No, not anymore.

- I'm sorry that I'm not saying this again, but cool. - Exactly. (audience laughs) He's getting it.

- Mustard gas, meanwhile,

could cause third degree chemical burns all over the body,

which often destroyed all the layers of the skin down to the deep tissue. But mustard gas was not a one and done. Within two to 48 hours of exposure, large painful blisters filled with fluid would form on the skin.

And those blisters would only be made worse when the victim was sweat. So anywhere that you sweat, armpits, anything like that, that's where the blisters would be the most painful. And when the blisters burst open,

they created open wounds prone to infection, scarring, and eventually skin cancer. Both gases could also temporarily or permanently blind, anyone exposed and both were happily manufactured by the DuPontz.

- Hearing all that information? Mustard gas. - You own for mustard. - Yeah, only because chlorine, I feel like the interior is worse.

- Yeah, it is. - It's worse. - It's definitely worse. There's mustard gas, like it's still smoke weed and eat hot dogs. (laughing)

- Oh, take it. - Let me fucking take it. - You might still have some breathing problems because it's not like breathing mustard gas was like great for you.

- No, you had to put it. - Fuck you up on the inside. It's bad as chlorine gas would. And chlorine gas also wasn't great for the skin, but it wouldn't fuck you up as bad on the outside

as mustard gas did. - You know, who needs skin? - Yeah, that is true. - Yeah, man, skin for me. I like muscles.

- This is grit. - Yes, just holding your muscles back. - Just give me a cool jacket. - And I'm fine. - Yeah, that'd be awesome.

I'd be kind of cool.

- All right, ride it. (laughing) - How you done? (laughing) - Now, by the end of the war,

“the DuPonse had increased their workforce”

from 800 men to 85,000 men. And their profits were no less than 247 million dollars in 1919 money. That's roughly four and a half billion in today's currency. And that's just World War I.

The DuPonse, however, were clever enough to spread this wealth amongst many DuPonse. After quite a few DuPonse became millionaires, they began building mansions with 150 rooms on lavish the states,

furnished with decadent antiques. This is, of course, we'll be getting into that with the Fox Catcher Metters on part three. This is one of those the states. - Cool.

- Also seems like the DuPonse never quite

forgot the French Revolution, because some of their states were built surrounded by walls that had shards of broken yet attractive glass poured into the wet concrete. This serve is a sort of trademark DuPont aesthetic.

It's barbed wire for the incredibly wealthy. That, of course, also keeps out the unwashed masses. - So it's a glass like jutting out from the concrete. - Dude, it's a glass jutting out from the top of the concrete.

But it's also very pretty as well, because it's like antique. - Yes, it is truly beautiful. Like it's just like colored glass.

“Oh, like hyper sharp, just built into the concrete.”

- I mean, cool. - Exactly. (laughing) - You just like villains, right? (laughing)

- When I played the Star Wars card game, I only ever played the fucking empire. I only ever played all the evil characters in risk. Who made it? - The DuPont family, however, also did their best

to keep those unwashed masses from even learning about the French Revolution. Here's where we get to Delaware. The DuPont's made sure that Delaware stayed uneducated. And as a result, Delaware had some of the worst

literacy rates in the country. Despite being, they had one of the worst literacy rates, but were also because of the DuPont throwing off the average, the fourth richest state in the entire nation.

And that's also like, and then money attracts money. And where there's people with money, other groups with money will come and be a part of it. It's like sharks. - Yeah, yeah.

- They also, but the DuPonts also made sure that they didn't pay any taxes into Delaware, so Delaware also remained poor. - Well, these are also the old school guys that would do it the old way, right?

Like, Carnegie, all these guys. They'd go do something bad, and then they'd build a building. - Nothing to do. - No, I think DuPont's. - Yeah, I know.

“- That's the thing is that that's why we know about,”

that's why we know Andrew Carnegie's name, that's why we know, you know, Guggenheim, why we know all these guys because they did build these master monuments, they did give their money.

DuPont, all you know, their name from the fucking label. But if the DuPonts liked to stay in the background as much as they possibly could. They did not like the spotlight because they smart. - Yeah, they're smart.

They knew that the moment you come forward, the more you're public facing the less you can get away with. And they knew that the less people know that you are a king, the more like a king you can act. - Should head billionaires talking to us,

and we are in a new realm of that.

Billionaires were never like this before, in my time,

growing up, I don't remember Billionaires. I mean, I guess we're all, we didn't have Billionaires. - Was it Grospero was like the most in my mind, in my childhood design? - Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, Debbie,

Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, Debbie, Debbie. - It was like, he was the first guy I remember being like, he was like, I'm a billionaire and I do amazing things.

Because he did look like the monopoly man. - Yeah, it's very funny. But it's interesting to see how, like now, all of these morons are addicted to the same thing. We're addicted to which is attention,

and you think a billionaire would be past it. - No. - In it, DuPont's like, they keep in Delaware stupid, no offense, Delaware, back then, it's obviously different now, sorry, sorry.

But keeping them uneducated and keeping them poor is a different form of slavery in my own personal opinion. - Yes. - Oh, 100% like, oh, it's just a little bit more expensive,

but they're basically slick.

- What's this stuff like Dr. Oz, it's like very casually dropping recently about how no one should ever retire. - Yeah. - Yeah, what is that then?

If we're just working for the absolute rest of our fucking lives. - Yeah, you're just making money for the people out top. And you know, and the DuPont's new, all of the most evil ways to do this.

They kept their workers poor, tired, and sick. Many DuPont laborers made just a dollar an hour during the war, and most worked 60 to 80 hours a week. And when the work was over, they'd go to sleep in uncomfortable shanties

built by the DuPont's, where thousands would be crammed in to spread sickness and disease. - And they would fucking thank the DuPont's

- Oh, wait, they didn't know any better.

“- Uncle DuPy, they could have a cute fucking nickname.”

Now, on the job, safety was not really a word that was even used in a DuPont factory. The workers had no equipment to protect themselves with because equipment cost money. And since many DuPont businesses dealt with dangerous chemicals,

workers routinely died from fumes or chemical byproducts that literally changed the color of their skin. DuPont chemicals like Binsol turned workers blue, while men who worked with Pickric Acid were called Canaries, because the acid turned their skin yellow.

And Pickric Acid, by the way, also poisons the lungs, attacks the intestinal tract, and destroys kidney and nerve centers. And Pickric Acid is also only, it's just used to kill people. It's used in munitions.

They are being killed by things that are being used to kill people. Workers were also fatally poisoned by mercury, fullmanate, and nitroglistering fumes, more explosives, while the fumes made by the manufacturer of smokeless powder made lung diseases like tuberculosis,

far easier to contract. And of course, if you get tuberculosis, that spreads even further. That spreads far beyond just the fucking, just the fucking workers that spreads to your family that spreads to the community.

It is a fucking, they misery the DuPont's cause, compounds, and builds, and builds. And almost 350 DuPont workers were killed in plant accidents during World War I. But the amount that survived terrible injuries

or died later, because of the long-term effects of chemical exposure, or the people that died just down the line, impossible to know for sure. - Yeah, my grandfather died from a chemical spill in his factory, and he got cancer five years later,

and he died. And that wasn't DuPont, that was Amco, but fuck. - Yeah. - It's the same bullshit. It is accredited to them, the workplace incident.

It wasn't what killed them, it was the cancer five years ago, but he wouldn't have gotten the cancer for it wasn't for that. - Exactly, yeah.

“- I mean, that's what John Stewart was trying to fight for”

with all the way, what they were talking about when I after 9/11, all these people got super, super sick, and they were all like, "Hey, but if they die like so much later, "he's it really a thing." - No, because the DuPonts cared more about 150 room mentions

than the lies of their own workers, they spread propaganda that unions and strikes were un-American. 'Cause remember, people can have their opinions about unions, but if someone tells you that unions are un-American, they are doing it on behalf of someone like the DuPonts.

- How do I put it? If somebody ever says the word un-American, don't take them seriously. - No, now like many other large corporations, the DuPonts hired the Pinkerton detective agency,

either break unions and strikes, or to prevent laborers from organizing unions in the first place. One of the Pinkerton's favorite tactics was to manufacture evidence that would result in organizers being charged with espionage against the government.

That's a lot of prison time. - Yeah, yeah, Pekerton's deserve their own episode one day. - Oh, we've been talking about for fucking years. - We've been time up for a long time.

“It's just, it's so massive and much of it is unions.”

- Yeah. - The DuPont re-bottles against organizing would also frequently get violent. And the DuPonts, therefore, had another private military made up of no less than 1,400 bootlickers

to guard and police their factories. The DuPonts tactics, however, only got harsher after the October 1917 Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. The DuPonts actually felt personally slided by the revolution, because Zarnicka was the second

had ordered almost a million pounds of TNT

from the DuPonts. - Here's a great custom, yeah. That is the exact, that's the whole thing. And when the Zarr went down with the rest of the Russian upper classes, the DuPonts lost out on millions of dollars

in Russian-Zarrist contracts. And that was, of course, TNT that Zarnicka's the second was planning to use against his own people. The regardless of what you may think of Bolshevik tactics, Vladimir Lenin or Basovia Union,

the Bolshevik Revolution was still at its most basic level of people's revolution that overthrew a corrupt and out of touch elite. If we take it down to just bear, bear, bear bones. - Yes.

- And that was terrifying for people like the DuPonts. - I'm terrifying that they could happen in one of the largest countries on earth. All I know is, is that every single time we like simplify something like that,

we never get any emails. That's all I know.

- That's definitely never get one.

- Yeah. - Definitely, I can't wait to get the emails about the people defending marrying your first cousin. (laughing) - That is going to happen.

I am absolutely going to receive an email about how I offended them because they think cousin should be free. - Yeah. - You're in love, Henry.

- Yeah, I can't wait to get an email telling me that I just, that I support the murder of small little girls because I said that sentence. - You do, though. - Yeah.

- Do you work as a part of the murder of little girls

in the basement? - You didn't say no, you didn't say no. - No, you didn't. - Fuck anesthesia. (laughing)

- At this point, at this point, am I,

“at this point am I going to bat for anesthesia?”

- No. - No. - Great movie, though. - I like their bat, though. - Yeah.

- Yeah. - And anesthesia. - That's just fun. - You better eat fight for anesthesia. - You gotta fight for anesthesia.

(laughing) - The depots, because they were so terrified of the Bolshevik revolution. They, along with many other corporate leaders, began sewing the seeds way back in 1917

that the United States should go to war with Russia specifically to overthrow Vladimir Lenin. The shit did not start in the aftermath of World War II. It did not start with Stalin. It started in the beginning.

The capitalist drumbeat for war against the communist was there from the start. And that drumbeat began solely because the communist fucked with the DuPontz already obscene profits. The DuPontz lost a big contract.

But perhaps more importantly, the Bolsheviks had personally slighted a DuPontz. And that's super offensive. - Yeah.

“- And, I mean, they come from the French Revolution.”

They know what this shit can lead to. - Yeah. Now, the DuPontz enacted mass layoffs after the war, bringing their workforce of 85,000 down to 18,000 in just seven weeks.

- So needs of (laughing) (laughing) - Got 'em loose. That guy's coffin too much. Other companies did the same.

And before long, 4 million people in the United States

were unemployed. We were in a recession. But instead of taking care of the workers, who had made them so much money, the DuPontz and the US government were far more concerned

with stopping the spread of communism. And the DuPontz did have reason to worry. Because communism was very attractive to a bunch of guys who just been told the fuck off by the biggest corporations in America

after they had just made those corporations record profits. And it's especially after a bunch of these guys' bodies have been killed by the corporate indifference and agreed of these corporations. And that doesn't even get to how many guys

had chronic health problems from the $1 an hour job that they no longer had. Of course, these guys are gonna say, "Yeah, I like the communists. "I might be a fucking communist."

- Yeah.

“So to distract people from the real problem,”

which was that extremely wealthy families like the DuPontz used up the bodies and souls of average Americans and do everything they can to prevent giving a fucking setback. The United States government used the playbook

that the wealthy elites and charge are still using today. The government began telling people that the real problem here. I mean, you guys are fucking idiots. You don't see the real problem here.

- What is the real problem? - Immigrants? - Yeah. - Well, that's a thing. - It's not like we're a country made of them.

- No. - The real problem is, no, not those immigrants, not the white ones. - The other immigrants. - Other immigrants.

- You're right. - The other immigrants. - In fact, then the other immigrants were mostly, we talked about it in the last episode. - Italians.

- Yeah. - Yeah. - The United States. - That's a loud group of immigrants. (laughing)

- The United States comes away, the United States. - It's a nightmare, the United States. - If we throw it all, the immigrants, who's gonna give it me a fresh pepper? - Hey, hey, whoa.

- Well, the United States, therefore, began a far-reaching violent crackdown on the immigrant population to distract the public in 1917. This play has been in use for over a hundred years.

Now, the government began throwing people that they considered foreign anarchists, communists, or radical leftists into detention camps nationwide. The largest detention camp for immigrants

was on, guess where, Ellis Island. - Oh, it's such a funny joke. - Yeah. - It tells you, all the shit the government's doing now, where it's like, it's kind of funny,

like they're trying to be funny and kind of cute. - Yeah, come on in. Oh, we fucking, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you sit here right behind the island and look at our ass. - Yeah.

- That's where you fucking live now. - Yeah, it's where you live until I send you back. Thousands of immigrants were deported without due process after detention, while all those who remain were vilanized

by America's right-wing media who all said anything that even smelled a bit like socialism, anything that wasn't pure, unadulterated capitalism,

I always guess what, it's an American.

- Yeah, I'm just fucking so ridiculous. - And the dupons are behind all of it. - Or definitely one, I will say, I'm at you. - Yeah, no, what up, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, it's not like the dupons are like the America's.

I'm shining fucking like a beacon of goodness and truth and the dupons are like the one wrong people. - The one evil ones, no, they're not stuck in stuff and they're not gargamel. - No, they made the playbook.

- Oh, this country, man, we still got a shot. - We do have a shot, no, no, no, I do believe in the promise of America, I truly do. We still do have a shot, but we gotta get rid of these fuckers. - Oh, fuckers, we gotta get rid of them.

- Well, I asked the dupons. Instead of offering to pay more taxes on their profits to take care of the workers who had made them those profits, the family got to what was really important. They decided that the best use of their time and money

was to invest in the manipulation of children. So they became a leading force in the creation of the Boy Scouts of America. - Ah, yes, where they go from Wettel and to Diddellin. (laughing)

- It depends on how old you get if you live. (laughing) - Oh, and the Boy Scouts, that would do it, inspire Hitler. - My scout master touched my wee below's.

“- Yeah, well, well, you should have been better”

at not tight. (laughing) - You would have been able to get your pants down. - Yeah. - Well, in the early days, with the dupons guidance

and actually their goal for the Boy Scouts was not dissimilar from the Hitler youth, every Boy Scout would swear in oath of unyielding loyalty to the president, the country, to the Boy Scouts leader, to the Boy Scouts parents,

and lastly, an oath of loyalty to the Boy Scouts employer.

- The most important of all.

- Yes. - The guys who paid for the stupid scar. (laughing) - Who did you pay the badges you're fighting? This is the influence of the dupons,

who wanted to turn the Boy Scouts into a nationalistic paramilitary alternative to socialism. Instead, it unfortunately became as many of these things do. Just another place where children could easily be molested

by an authority figure. - Honestly, a lot of it, I point towards length of the shorts. - Yeah, yeah, we're gonna cover them up. - Now your victim, Blaman, can you be able to wear short of shorts as they want without some nasty scout

master coming in and grabbing them? - Well, you're blaming the victim. - Well, just gotta have to see about that one. You know, between everything, it's so weird because like, as time goes on, like the Boy Scouts football,

all this shit, the safest place for child, seems to be theater.

“- Yeah, that's why, you know, I just also remember”

just how unpleasant sports was. - Yeah, like part of the reason why I went to theater was because it was gross and the men were bad and I didn't want to be anywhere near under the bad men anymore. - Yeah, yeah, or just running around in a circle

is pretty safe. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - They're almost until you get the Olympics. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then it gets real bad. - And then you get molested again.

- Yep, yeah. - Well, that's gymnastics. - Yeah, I have a certain, there's some track guys that got molested. - Yeah, I know there are.

- The Olympics started in Greece, Marcus. You haven't been fucking boys since before gone.

- You don't think the first one from soccer team.

- Yeah, like that was me, he ran. - There were some people in the media who pushed back against the two ponds. It's around the time that the profits from World War I were reported that journalists began referring

to the DuPont family as the merchants of death. But even with everything to the DuPonts

“that already accomplished, they would be no decade”

in which the DuPonts made a larger impact on American society than the 1920s. And it's there that will pick back up next week with the stock market crash, the atomic bomb, Teflon, and Viet Fuckin' Now.

- Yeah, wow, can't wait, man. - Fuckin' Tulsa. - That's gonna be a great soundtrack. - Whatever's going on, that was a matter of man. It's a great ass soundtrack group.

Put some good tunes in the store. - Yeah, yes. - Yes, and I do know, I already know that DuPont was not the number one supplier of Napalm in the Viet Now Moore.

I do know that, but they did still supply. - Oh, no, they got in there. - It was enough. - Hey, man, they got in there. - Yeah, yeah, and providing all the enriched

with uranium for fat man, little boy, and giving cancer to thousands of people in the size that enriched that uranium do to, you know, low safety standards, that's worth some. - Not to measure the fire bombing of Tokyo.

- The fire bombing of Tokyo, that was also a part of it. - Again, one word, "barb and hymer." (laughing) - That is true, because didn't think everything changed after Barbie didn't it?

- Yeah, honestly, you know, I love Margo, and I think about her. She really needs the money. - Yeah, she does. - You also need the money, us.

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or very first ones coming down the bite, very soon.

- Bam, we're getting people to pay us to do our work. - Yeah, that's capitalism.

(laughing) - Go Paul!

- Come see us on the road.

“That's right, February 28th, Austin, Texas,”

Paramount Theater, March 13th, Indianapolis, Indiana, Egyptian room at the Old National Center, April 25th, Cincinnati, Ohio, Taft Theater, May 29th Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Carnegie Music Hall of Oakland.

I know that sounds confusing.

June 27th, Grand Rapids, Michigan's a GLC live at 20 Monroe.

July 17th, Tulsa, Oklahoma, Canes, Ballroom, Angela, 18th, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Tower, Theater.

“And on Wednesday, I'm gonna be in San Francisco”

over at the punch line with Grand Gordon and Julie Rosen. Come hang out with me there. That's gonna be a lot of fun. That is on February 18th.

Great, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Oklahoma.

- That would be fun. - Hang on YouTube, go see your new show. - Vampire, the M.S. Gray, we did LP and RPG. Go check it out. We're gonna have an announcement soon.

Monday, it's coming out. - Very cool. - Let's see. - Bye, fuckers. - Heal Satan.

- You know what, he'll mark Ruffalo.

“- 'Cause he was in Foxcatcher as Shaltz and he was also”

in the dark water movie against DuPont. He double hates DuPont, but you don't think that DuPont probably didn't also pay for those movies, so we're gonna look like they were cool. - Hmm.

- I'm still handling Ruffalo. - Yeah. - Task was gonna do. - To be surprised how many things you like are paid by the thing that is the most evil thing on the face of the planet

in order for them to help kind of sue that all over by saying, look, see? - I'll kind of like how the tobacco companies made the annoying truth commercials really annoying, so we would hate them and then in turn smoke more cigarettes.

- Yeah. - So for that, we wanna say thank you Vanguard Group for all the work you've done here at Netflix.