Episode 667: Anton LaVey Part II - Paint It Black

Let's run the cannon for some started. All right, Marcus, you've brought a special instrument in that we have to exhibit for the audience. Yeah, this is my stylethone ferramen, the antenna's a little wonky on it, so I'm just going to use the trigger on it.

Now, just remember, before you listen to the sounds, these sounds are so powerful, so esoteric.

They, in fact, may drive you insane, so this is your warning. If you can't handle the ferramen, you shut off the radio right now. I mean, they can't handle it because it's, you know, weird. I like the ferramen, because it's the only instrument you can play with your asshole. Someone handed me a wheel of my madness.

Oh, no, I am wronging out the blot, the pressure medic, hey.

“Oh, what the horrible set of circumstances, where is my handling?”

Where is my cape? Where? He's my career. You are not fit to smell my shit. This is like, I love the ferramen as the reason, like, people don't use an orchestra to score a film.

You don't need it, you don't need it at all. You need to have it, dude. Walking the last podcast on the left, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Marcus Park's badly playing the ferramen. Here with me is Henry Sabrowski, the man who's just sitting there letting his tongue hang out of his mouth, like half his brain isn't working. It isn't.

It is entertaining, it's embarrassing.

And I love the ferramen because it sounds like a ghost having an orgasm. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, Anton Leve is the only unionized ferramen player that was ever in any of these youth, all of these musicians, and unions. He was the only ever full on union man ferramen, but true con man. The ferramen is one of the most difficult instruments to play in existence.

Go on. Go on. You should listen to-- That was great, but you just-- No.

Listen to real ferramen. Listen to Clare Rockmore. Clare Rockmore.

“It will blow your fucking mind out of the back of your head skull.”

All right. And we have the man who's getting into ferramen music over the next week. It's Ad Larsen.

Oh, how is everyone doing?

You have a question. What? Six, six, six, six, six, seven. Six, six, seven. Six, six, seven.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But the thing. Six, seven is the thing.

You need to have the seven, six, seven. We would do this. Yeah. It's not up to six, seven. It's six, seven, which is a number most Summers can't count to.

Yeah. And also, we're not Catholic. We don't do six, seven. The Pope. Oh, I don't even--

I'm just even also straight up. But Pope is beginning the But Larry and Jihad. Huh. I don't know what that means. Anti-robot like a whole thing.

“It's written by, if you remember, he wrote this anti-AI thing.”

It started in Dune with the Catholics. We're not here to talk about Dune. Yeah. This is Anton Lovey. Part two.

Yeah. One nerdy thing of a time. Yeah. Hang on, make sure. Leave.

If you're listening to this fucking is impossible. [LAUGHTER] So when we last left Anton Lovey, the year was 1947. According to the tale, Lovey spun for himself. He had become inspired after reading William Gresham's classic

Carnival Nightmare Alley. And instead of spending a life in the chains of the mundane world, Lovey had decided to bet everything on a life in the circus. Fuck yeah. Supposedly, Anton joined the Clyde Badey circus in the spring of 1947,

where he was given the responsibility of feeding and watering the circus's big cats as a roused about and so-called cage boy at the age of 17. Roused about, by the way, is the due to set up and tear down the carnival at each town.

Oh, okay. And you know, if you don't water those big cats, they don't grow. [LAUGHTER] I hate you.

[LAUGHTER] Fuck in. Just a small cat. [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER]

[LAUGHTER] Well, the big claim that the head of the circus personally taught him how to use the whip, the stick, the chair, and the revolver to get the big cats to perform. And before long Anton said he was handling eight lions

which is almost certainly a massive exaggeration to say the very least.

“But considering Anton the Bay's experience with big cats later on”

in his life, which will absolutely be discussed later, it seems like Anton did at some point work with big cats enough to get a feel for how to train and control them. He was not a countdown day, in other words. Anton claimed that in order to better work with the lions and tigers,

he ate his food with them and mimicked the growling noises. [LAUGHTER] This is my soup. This is my soup. This is my soup.

This is my soup. This is my soup. This is my soup. This is my soup. [LAUGHTER]

[INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER] So they even slept in their cages.

So they get clawed or knocked to the ground here and there. But these incidents were chalked up as, quote, "unintentional mishaps." For those of you that are following long, and are also potential students of the SO terror, I would submit to you to go and read Michael Latinos

to book long personally published his own version biography of the Church of Satan and the whole thing, because Michael and Keenan are fucking homework. [LAUGHTER] Because one book is the book and the one,

the other second book is the book,

the reference you've got to read when you read in the first book.

“Now it's important to remember Michael and Keenan.”

So many footnotes that he had to do its second volume, just to hold the footnotes. Just the men's fucking infuriate. For those of you that don't know, Michael and Keenan is the Eddie monster looking man

that would eventually spin off from the Church of Satan. He was Antelna Veys, right hand man is we'll get into more in the next episode. But he wrote in the Church of Satan. He took everything that he could to essentially

roast Antelna Veys from the inside out. Because Michael and Keenan, if you do read any of his stuff, he works for the government. He worked in CIA, he did science.

He's a very crazy looking guy. But he's also a complete and utter dream. And when you read it and grow your eyebrows like that. Practice. If he had ideas, I was going forward.

So Michael and Keenan wrote all this book. And he heavily debunks all of Antelna Veys' claims. Sure. Because he's so bitter because Antelna Veys is the Bugs Bunny to his defy duck.

And as he's right in his whole book, he's all like Antelna Veys. He lied about going through the circus. And he definitely didn't even have sex. It's like, yeah buddy.

And we know. Yeah. It's on the day even said it's a lie. Yeah. You constantly go like,

No, it's just not possible. Why? He wasn't the circus. Everything.

“We got a few look at the rules of the circus.”

We're farmers. That's what I thought. You don't see. Tony, what are you thinking? Do you?

I went like that. And you're like, bro, you lost whole fucking point. Yeah. Yeah. But one thing we do know.

A good defy duck. Yeah. He really captured his essence. It is him. It's good.

One thing we do know. The Antelna Veys didn't miss her kiss. He did learn how to become a master.

And one of the most powerful and legendary of all organs quite possibly the hottest pipes in all

existence. Oh, shit. Well, that. That's the circus. Let the circus Antelna Veys became a master of the instrument most associated with the circus.

The mighty Colyope. Yeah. Colyopeys as Antelna Veys played them were steam powered organs that used train whistles for their pipes. Which made Colyopeys so painfully loud that even the smallest of Colyopeys could be heard

from miles away. Even the smallest. Yeah. You know the elephant's love it. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. We'll do it. The horses. The lions, the tigers. They love the blasphemies with loud noises and hot steam.

Here's an example of a Colyope. From my favorite Colyope album, Big Top Circus Colyope played out of doors. Volume 1 by Paul Ekin's. Oh, yeah. Doesn't it make you feel good?

No, it does. It just sort of feels like the general noise in my head at all times. It kind of feels like me desperately trying to do my taxes. Any moment of silence I have is just when I hear music like this, I forget that longs.

Yeah. God, I love it so much. I love Colyope music.

I love that it's your first favorite, that's your favorite Colyope album.

'Cause mine is getting gaped to Colyope. I mean, they say he was an alcoholic. I think most Colyope players are alcoholic.

We're reportedly this guy leaned on the keys more than he actually played them.

Which also sounds awful, just to do good. In one version of the story, Lave said that one day the Colyope player was simply too drunk to play in Anton's step 10. And another far more satanic version of the story. Anton claimed that he was so hell bent on getting behind the Colyope that he cursed the circuses

alcoholic Colyope player who fell ill a few days later. And that's also that's going to be a theme you'll see amongst Anton the Bay is him saying, "Yes, I cursed him." And then everything fell apart. Like no, mostly it's just people who already had a lot of problems.

Yeah. And then life just sort of took care of it for him. Some bass could have been you. Like it's only did because you all look like I get it. Because we all want this.

“Like I do think that every time he talks like this, remember.”

He's serving a fantasy for you to fulfill. Everybody wants to hear that you can go, "I cursed you." And then you can just move on and do all this stuff. He even knows. Anton and that himself knows how detrimental curses are to your own personal health.

So a lot of the times he talks about this, I always say it's always the tongue and cheek.

Sure. Yeah. There's always a little like, "I cursed you." He became a collyope player the same way I became a chef. He just showed up to work and don't be the guy on heroin.

Welcome to America, you're hired. Anton stepped in, played a rousing version of the William Tell overture, and the alcoholic player was put on permanent sabbatical. Anton the Vey was now a performer. So after he was elevated to the resident collyope player at the Clyde Bady Circus,

he changed his name from Thongley Levy to Anton Sandor Levy after his great uncle. As a performer, he came to be known as the Great Sandor. And this is a clip of him years later, playing a synthesizer, mimicking a collyope. Cool.

“This is me just trying to just desperately put together the TV stand.”

I'm doing it house. I'm going through the forms. This is me looking at IKEA forms. It's just... It's like fucking cheap.

I'm actually starting to like him now. Yeah, he's really fine. Yeah, that's part of his big top medley. It goes on for good four or five minutes. Oh, I was hoping for it.

Yeah, I do have an Anton Levy album, which he plays the organ throughout. It's a really fun album. It's part of the organ. It's part of the organ section in my record collection. Which is ample.

And the organ section. Yeah, love them hot pipes. Anton Levy said that by playing live music, he learned how to affect the moods of not just the audience at the circus,

“but also the moods of the big cats, the elephants, and the human performers.”

He said Levy had an unusual ability to add special life to the circus performer's acts with his own inimitable style of collyope playing. But after traveling through much of the American West with the Clyde-Bady Circus, Anton settled down in Long Beach, California, at the end of 1947, for a regular gig at the Pike Amusement Park.

And through his Carnegie Connections, he joined various traveling shows for small tours up and down the west coast. During those days, Levy met legendary side show performers, like the three-legged friend Chesco Lentina. For Chesco Lentina?

Yeah, Chesco Lentina. And the two-faced Bill Dirks. You don't look at me, he's guys are great, I love Bill Dirks. His little third leg just kind of comes out of his butt. A lot of that's really, I mean, when they say like three-legged performers,

the posters that they painted were beautiful. I have a whole book up and they're fucking great. All those old side show posters that are just so massive, but they definitely do a lot of heavy lifting on the imagination. Usually when you walk into the tent, it really was just kind of like a weird thing.

It started off. And usually, and that's the thing is that it was actually so disappointing something that usually the side show performers would also have like a secondary act. So you walk in. Yeah, you'd walk in and they wouldn't just be like,

"Oh, you know, here's a couple of condoing twins."

And I always be like, "Oh, here's two condoing twins.

We also know how to play the Fiddling Sing." Yeah, of course, 'cause that's a show. That's your show. Yeah. I was like, "Oh, we just watched the elephant man last night, and I cried, watching it."

I thought I fucking love that movie. Yeah. But you just said, "Forgot there was the whole thing. Is that guy your reaction?" Yeah.

Yeah. And it's about him searching for pants. It's four and a half hours alone. They go to Macy's. Chaci, panties, burling, and co-factory.

because of just how he was the only one that wasn't underwhelming.

No. He was the closer. The elephant man was it, yeah. They're good old. Good old Joseph Merrick.

But build dirt. Oh, there's nothing ever experienced the love of a woman. It's the saddest death of all. It really is. Yeah.

Does it, do you know how the elephant man died? Yeah. Well, I watched the Bradley Cooper stage version. That was fucking awful. Yeah.

So he died by the movie. Was that the movie was after the film? Yeah. I was so close. I literally went, "Ah, it won't point me."

And I was like, "Come on. You're my theater." No. No. No.

Well, Bill Dirk's. He actually just had a severe cleft palate that went all the way up to splitting his nose into, but to give the full two-faced illusion, he was known as the two-faced man.

He would paint a third eye on his forehead to sell the act fully.

It's fucking awesome. It's like, I'm not at night.

“You have to talk about lack of confidence.”

Yeah. Yeah. Trust me, buddy. You're ugly. Yeah.

Leve got to know a particular kind of performer calling himself the human ostrich. I love this act. Yeah. The human ostrich had the ability to eat and regurgitate almost any object it will. Usually objects made of metal or glass, because otherwise you're just watching a guy throw up.

Yeah. Although there were some regurgitators who were massively popular and really talented. There was one guy who would swallow and eat like a bunch of fish, and then he would regurgitate through a hoop into a fishbowl. That's all.

Fish died, but... Yeah. Fish don't count. The human ostrich is so named, because real ostrich is eight rocks to help with digestion. And even besides that, I'm definitely going to see anyone who builds themselves as the human ostrich

just to see what the fuck it is. Better be tall. Yeah. I can't give it to the elephant man. You just got to give him the fun name.

Yeah, just pick an animal. Yeah. Especially kind of looks like it. That's awesome. Yeah.

But out of all the side show acts that Anton that they got to know, he paid the most attention to the so-called "Mitcam" at the carnival, where fortune tellers read poems. Like, give me a "Mit." I'm going to read your fortune.

“That's why they would call it a "Mitcam."”

I actually saw this term in a recent carnival movie that I watch called "She Freak." It's fucking amazing. It's like sort of a retelling of Todd Browning's Freaks, but yeah, they would say. It's dude. I got off of vinegar syndrome.

It's fucking great. Yeah. But alongside the fortune tellers were the mentalists, who cold-red unsuspecting customers to see how much money they could build out of them. And this Anton that they said is where he truly watched and learned.

But Anton that was also all about style. And he, like any cultural figure worth their stuff, went through many iterations before

finally settling on the Mephastophili's core look that made him famous.

In the circus, Lave modeled himself after film noir gangsters, who wore wide lapel, big shouldered suits, pocket squares, Panama hats, and, of course, a mercilessly landscapeed facial hair. This seems to be among the first instances of Anton that they truly leaning in to playing a sort of villain, or at least appearing to be a villain.

And this was certainly something that Lave would later use while creating the Church of Satan. But besides helping him develop his villain persona, the circus also reinforced Lave's attitude of hypocrisy concerning Christianity. He said that he would see men lusting after women at the carnival on Saturday night, so he played Colipi.

But when Anton Lave went into play Oregon at the Church services, at the tent revival, the next morning, those same lusty men would be in the fuse. Hypocracy.

“And that is the key to what really the Church of Satan is all about.”

It's not really about what we keep talking about. It's really an anti hypocrisy stance. What's about being true to yourself? If you're going to go out, it's basically make a choice. Either you're going to go out and, you know,

last afternoon on Saturday night with the carnivals, that's totally cool. That's fine. If you want to do church on Sunday and be a pious individual, that's totally fine too.

But don't try to fucking do both. Well, he did both. Yeah, exactly. It's a hypocrite. But he also understood that he was getting a paycheck.

He got a paycheck. He also understood that there is. I do think that this is the core to really try to understand of all of us, is that if this is as deep as it really was supposed to go for Anton Lave, like this was the beginnings of a,

you know, we're setting ourselves free. We're trying to get out of all of this stuff. We're trying to because how many times have we seen the issue be, you're something that you're not. Yeah.

And so you are showing up every day. Why is it such a common thing now that we especially now that we're seeing, that the guy that's anti doing anti trans laws is more likely than not using trans sex

It's like that's the thing now. It's like the way to be. So this is kind of a broadcast that early on. Very much so. Yeah.

I mean, it's, and that's, it's also a crawling idea. You know, like Alistair Crowley would say the same thing. I can't remember the exact quote, but it was something along the lines of like, there's no more pain in the world caused than by those who are not true to themselves. If you're going against what you're supposed to be, that's where you're,

you're only going to cause pain to yourself and to everybody around you, especially everybody around you. I legitimately think the world would be, would be different. If a time traveler dresses an artist went back and time into Adolf Hitler's fucking class went, took all his stupid ass paintings, put him in a gallery and said,

Adolf, these are amazing. You don't really, all he would need it, and we would not be here. We would be dealing with any of that.

“I think we'd be dealing with different things.”

But I always find it weird when people say, I'd go back and time to kill Baby Hitler.

Kill 'em as an art student. It's more fun. Oh no. I tell you what though. Talk about life in the crowd? This is really all about killing babies with impunity. That's really what it's about.

That everybody who says that is just super curious about, like, whole-sale, just fucking murder in a baby. And you can do it without feeling any form of guilt if it's Hitler. Yeah. We did have this conversation at home not too long ago,

and we settled on teenage Hitler. Yeah. You said, like, you kill 'em at 15. Yeah, oh, that's good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You fucking evil 15-year-olds. Yeah. [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER]

[MUSIC PLAYING] Melave claimed that after just a year behind the coliope, he had earned a reputation as a flamboyant personality and a reliable musician.

“But the men who own the Belusque theaters around the greater”

Los Angeles area. Leve, at the age of 18, was hired to play a far less abrasive organ at the Mayan Belusque theater. And it's here that Anton claimed to have his first brush with celebrity.

According to the almost certainly not true story, Leve claims that one of the dancers at the Mayan was a pre-fame 22-year-old Marilyn Monroe. Nice. Leve said that they had an intense love affair

that only lasted a few weeks, but that they were very sexually compatible. The owner of the Mayan, however, maintained Monroe

never even performed there.

But according to Leve, when Marilyn Monroe orgasmed, she quote, "Nashed her teeth and farted." [LAUGHTER] Well, he wished. [LAUGHTER]

He definitely wished, because he does. We know he likes this baby, and he likes his first. And he loves his first. But you know what I really do think that happened when he was a kid.

[LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] No, I think that's what he meant.

“But you know what I do think is because he's Anton Leve.”

These stories are like, it's not true. But I bet you, he had sex with really hot blonde check that looked just like her. And I bet that when he had sex with her, he used that version of that to be the satanic ideal

from then on out. Sure. It was that he whoever was it he had sex with then. That was like this story, what it is about, is the allegorical choosing of the satanic dual

other nature. So what he did, as a dark, weird gross man, right? He idolizes the blonde bombshell as a way to get things out of life very easily.

So this is the first thing in his mind.

It's like, that's kind of what it's about. It's not about fucking Marilyn Monroe. Sure. It's about choosing the Marilyn Monroe form. I get it.

Yeah. Now following his supposed. It's fucking idiots. Now following his supposed playing with Marilyn Monroe, Leve claimed that he returned to San Francisco,

where he expanded his professional pursuits to include photography. While still playing organ for local strip joints and private stag parties, Leve said that he also got a job taking pictures of women modeling clothes and underwear, even though the census list is status in 1948 as unemployed.

Let's just say a lot of guys who take pictures of women in their underwear are technically by the state. Yeah. I'm sure you got cash in the potato. But regardless of what the paperwork says,

the draft was still in effect in 1948. So to avoid military service, Leve enrolled San Francisco City College as a criminology major. Supposedly, this led to Leve getting a job as a crime scene photographer at the San Francisco Police Department.

Now the S.P.D. has no record of Anton Leve working for them under any name. But Leve maintained that his record must have been expunged. They were ashamed of having Anton Leve on their ranks.

But even so, Leve said that his time photographing the grotesque blood-soaked bodies of car accident and murder victims led to another revelation. In his words, Anton decided that quotes, "This is no God.

This is nobody up there who gives a shit. Man is the only God.

for his actions. Yes. Get about. That's good. Fortunately, I agree with Anton Leve.

“Unfortunately, I do have to agree with him.”

It's a very bottom. So this is my belief. He looked at the works of W.G. while he was taking classes as in criminology. W.G. being the famous crime scene photographer

from New York City. Fantastic. Now, I know there's a book out of all of his stuff that I have forgotten to include into what is the one of the biggest inspirations

for Anton Leve in the Church of Satan. It's a book by William Montgomery, the photographer called the command to look. He became obsessed with this book. It was a thing that William Montgomery

who took these pictures very similar to Diane Arbus, naked, belotted naked ladies, but also like really intense effects monsters, like very German expressionists, and also grizzly things.

People would deform in these. And also they made him beautiful. And he wrote this whole aesthetics world of tips that he wrote in this book. And each one of them is Satanism to its core.

“And so I think that the photography angle”

is partially his own obsession with William Montgomery that then he fed these things to his own, saying I did them. Yeah. And said, but he's just studied them very thoroughly.

Because if you're building a myth like Anton Leve was building a myth.

First of all, it's the mid-20th century.

Ain't no internet. Ain't no way to check nothing. So if you tell a good enough story, and Anton Leve was smart enough to tell a good story, where no one's going to question you,

people are going to pay far more attention to say, I did this rather than, while I've studied the works of William Montgomery. Yeah. And then I'll leave the thing.

Nobody wants to hear that. So when you say he studied the works of Ouija, Ouija is a photographer, not like the Ouija board. No, no, no. Ouija was the name of a crime scene photographer

in New York City who he's possibly my favorite photographer ever. Like he would just, the way that he would just show up to a crime scene and photograph it and just the most beautifully,

“beautifully, beautifully, most beautiful way possible.”

It's kind of insane. Beautiful and brutal. He would show up to these, that he really was a weird character. And sometimes he'd like show up before the cops set.

Oh, oh. It's one of those guys, like LA confidential styles. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

That is kind of based on him. Oh, so he's studied the works of Ouija, but he's such a nerd. He should have studied the works of Ouija. I hate you.

He wasn't even interested. He wasn't interested. He wasn't interested in the material work. And he fooled the guys. It just got us.

I think it's interesting. I think it's interesting. Yeah. When you explain it, it was interesting. I will say that.

It was a bit, but it didn't, you know, I didn't work on it. Yeah. Yeah. No, and on the Bay's personal life,

it's known that he married for the first time at the age of 21.

But since it was 1951, nobody batted an eye when Anton married a nice 15-year-old middle-class girl named Carol Lansing. And after the two of them moved into an apartment near San Francisco amusement park called Playland, Carol gave birth to Anton's first child, Carla. But while Anton the Bay was starting a family,

he was also actively seeking out other people who shared his point of view. Although he was having a hard time finding his people. He drove to Berkeley, where he found Alster Crowley's order of filetma. But after looking into Crowley's life and workings, a little bit deeper, Leve decided that Crowley was, quote,

"Droggy Poser, whose greatest achievements were as a poet and a mountain climber." Forget about it. Very, very enough, I suppose. According to him, which just makes all the sense, but that point,

if you could even see Crowley with the very end of his life, he was such a heroine addict and such a gross ass fucking guy. That he put to me, it also formulates the next levels of the church of St. He's being there's Alster Crowley. The man, the most evil man to ever live, he walked the walk.

He went through the fucking me across the rubric on. He met the fucking AWAS, he did all this shit. No, look at him.

And it's just like, well, he's fucking, he's just fucking, he's basically just some schmuck

that's dying a heroine abuse and all, and he's just this garbage guy. So, of course, you're like, it must be a lesson. No, there's the grandmages. No, he's just a mumbly fuck, who's looking for his next fix. Yep.

Now, while the San Francisco Police Department has no record of Anton the Bayes employment, it was still the S.P.D. that seemingly introduced Anton to the next phase of his increasingly spooky career. In 1953, Anton the Bay became one of the first ghost busters in America. Yeah, that's bullshit, that's cool.

But no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You don't think that's cool, you're stupid. That's true, that's true. That's true, man. To be according to Anton the Bay, he was basically San Francisco's version of the X files.

Anytime the S.P.D. got a so-called "nut call" like a report of a ghost, a UFO,

And we know that this stuff happens because of when we covered the warrants.

“We like, we know that cops do, they are people.”

They're like, "All right, you can go look up this weird shit." Yeah. Anton would investigate by camping out in haunted locations in a sleeping bag with a camera loaded with infrared films to capture ghosts and monitor fluctuations in the pitch and intensity of the hauntings. He used a ferraman as a so-called intrusion detector.

But this ferraman that I have here, this is a, it's a stylophone therm, it's got an antenna. It's a little buggy, I'd say, but this is a little bit what it would sound like. [laughing] [laughing] You just hear the ghost.

You hear the ghost. [laughing] Shut the fuck up. Try to move the antenna to the right.

We know we didn't go to the circus Tony.

I'm having trouble getting fox. [laughing] Now, what Anton discovered from his time as a ghost hunter was that people would insist on believing what they wanted to believe regardless of evidence. Even when Anton would find a real cause for strange noises like old pipes or a settling house,

customers would insist on exorcisms to rid them of their supposed poltergeys. Anton, of course, leaned in, devising charms and spells for his clients to complete the act. But in 1955, Leve had enough of a reputation as a ghost hunter to quit his crime scene photographer gig. Instead of taking pictures of grizzly deaths, Leve now claimed that he could spend all his time "exploring the black ox."

[laughing] But exploring the black arts, don't pay the bill. No, it doesn't. [laughing] Tell me about that.

Tell me about that. This is a black art podcast. We wouldn't be one, you know what I said? [laughing] [laughing]

So Leve also joined the San Francisco Musicians Union in 1955 as an organist, which got him a gig playing the Warlitzer organ at a cocktail lounge, ominously called The Lost Weekend. Ooh, cool. That's a really good name for a cocktail.

It's a great cocktail. Exactly where I want to be, dude.

“And I think it's, I mean, I know I found a picture from like 1979.”

So it's a very long running San Francisco bar. It's such an interesting thing because he's a ghost hunter who helps people like fix their pipes. So I feel like he's actually helping them fix their problems. Yeah, but like he's fixing the pipe and he's like, "Hey, ghost is gone." [laughing]

[laughing] But dude, we think about that's like the ultimate thing because that's something you paid for. He fixed the issue. Yeah, I mean, he's like, "Everybody's happy or you're still believing ghosts. He got money. Everybody's happy." Ghost plumbers.

Yeah. [laughing] And how am I started? That is literally how ghost clusters, I believe it was called Ghost Smashers. Go, yeah.

Was the original name? Right, it, it, it, it, it all goes back to the magical principle of a, doesn't matter if it's real or not. Only thing that matters is if it works. Yep.

The 1955 was the year the anthem of a truly started developing his reputation as a local character in San Francisco. In fact, it's my personal opinion. This is, and this is just me.

“I think that all anthem of a ever really wanted to be was a local character.”

I think he just wanted to be the weirdest guy in San Francisco. But the thing about being the weirdest guy in San Francisco is that it put you in the running for being one of the weirdest guys in the world. So, in anthem of a, open the door to local character status, the enterprise sort of ran away with itself within about a decade.

Well, I also think you and I kind of picked up on something that I've been thinking about more and more about anthem of a, that I do believe that he wanted to be in the movies. Yes. That is that again, local character was the status he wanted being in the movies was the job he wanted. I think that what we'll see every single thing kind of comes up against that.

Where I think in the very, very any really just wanted to make art. I think, well, I think you just wanted to make movies and TV. Yeah, I think that's it. He just wanted to be in show business. Did he ever run with like Neil Cassidy or the dead or anything like that?

No, weirdos doing draw. He hated his ego. Oh, and some of the the whole point of the Church of Satan was anti-hippie. Well, he didn't run with Neil Cassidy, but he ran with people who ran with Neil Cassidy.

Which actually, we'll get to one of those people here in a second who actually had sex with Neil Cassidy.

Oh, wow. Yeah, but he got who didn't, but you know, as far as how Anton became a local character, he did indeed have multiple big cats in his possession throughout the 1950s and 60s. He must have had some experience. Yeah, he started with a leopard named Zoltan.

Smuggled through Burma and then Israel by an associate of Levez. Zoltan, the leopard, became like any other pet in the Levez household. Seemingly, Anton Levez did have enough experience with big cats to train and tame Zoltan the leopard, because this big cat was safe enough to sometimes take naps with Anton's young daughter. Now, in 1956, Anton's parents bought Anton in his growing family a two-story home at 5114 California Street in San Francisco,

Two-story townhouse in San Francisco, 95 out of bucks.

“And I think he's a friend for the fucking place now.”

God, no, it's not. No, it absolutely is not. But later, even though his parents bought it for him, Anton Levez would lie and say that he had discovered that this house was not only a former Burdello in Speakeasy,

but it also once been home to San Francisco's Voodoo Queen. According to Levez, his house had at one point belonged to a woman named Mary Ellen Pleasant, who, according to the local press, had been responsible for the deaths of four people including her long time business partner,

all in the pursuit of Voodon. The rumor was that a servant had seen Pleasant pulling apart the bones in her partner's skull to pick out bits of his brain to use in Voodoo rituals. Oh, reality though, this was all just slander.

Mary Ellen Pleasant was not only an essential link in the Underground Railroad,

but she was also one of America's first black millionaires. She was a brilliant business woman by all accounts, but Mary Ellen Pleasant didn't take no shit from nobody. She was also naturally an abolitionist. And her dedication to the cause was so strong

that when the abolitionist John Brown was hanging for insurrection in 1859, there was a note from Pleasant detailing escape instructions in John Brown's pocket. But because the people of San Francisco simply couldn't handle that a black woman could be so successful in the mid-19th century, it was said in the press mind you,

this is what the newspapers printed, that Mary Ellen Pleasant was only successful because she used Voodoo. That's the type of shit they've been doing for all of time, and like starting with Cleopatra. Yeah, Voodoo is famously bad for making money.

“It's like not, it's really honestly for all of the magical purposes.”

It's not super good at it. Pleasant actually was a trained Voodoo priestess. Oh, okay. Yeah. She might have just stored up being highly trained in it.

I mean, Voodoo is a religion just like any other. Yeah, and she and the things about Mary Ellen Pleasant, she had been born into slavery. Her mother was Haitian, her mother taught her the Voodoo practice, but you know, Mary Ellen Pleasant's story is fucking incredible.

Yeah, it's amazing. That's a fucking amazing American story. That's a movie. Yeah, that's a movie. But when the press found out about her practice and tried exposing her,

Pleasant doubled down and started carrying around a crystal ball as a prop. She therefore went down in San Francisco legend as the city's Voodoo Queen, the Marie Levoe of the Bay Area. And Anton the Bay was trying to capitalize on that spooky reputation

by saying that his new house had once been hers. Yeah, it makes sense. Why not? Yeah, but if it's not true. No, no, it's not.

“No, you know how it is when you're going to do.”

But I also kind of always wondered how he retrofitted his house

on the way that he did. Well, that's the thing. Is that while the house did not belong to Mary Ellen Pleasant, it could have been a Bordello. Because there's something going on there.

Yeah, what's that? Lot of rooms. Lot of rooms, lot of secret entrances. And secret passages. Yeah, yeah, hidden passageways.

Bedroom had multiple entrances. There were multiple secret entrances. That Levei would later customize that ran throughout the entire house. In other words, Levei saw the possibilities here. So to further advance his local character status,

he immediately upon moving in, painted the house's exteriors. Black. Yeah, it was awesome. This, of course, would be the Church of Satan's infamous black house,

where Anton would create the church and hold its first satanic black masses. And also we told it would permanently pour it up permanently painted overage it. I'd call it the first satanic tourist attraction in history. I would say so. Yeah.

It was a really tiny house smashed in between two giant houses, which is kind of funny too, because then all the things grew around it. It's this little two story completely met black house. And it's gone now. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

We actually have competition. Yeah. We have a golf house also in the neighborhood. So we can't be chased in that dragon and also horrific for the temperature. Yeah.

Perfect for the fucking LA heat. The bad to do. Yeah. Fucking just drives bills up. Yeah.

I got a Halloween house on my street. Yeah. It's black with, you know, all the molding is painted orange. Yeah. You know, it's also nice.

You know, I found out because I did want to paint a block.

Is that the problem is that you do have to, you would repaint your house like every year.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really expensive.

If you think your black would be fine. No. Just cover with shit. No. No.

No. To real bad idea. It's bad. Turn me down. I wish I could.

On the late 50s, the black house served as a beacon for other people who were into a cult and paranormal subjects like Anton. And before long, the they had gathered enough of a crew to form a group called the magic circle.

Oh, yes.

“On the magic circle was basically a prototype for the Church of Satan.”

Made up of a bunch of California weirdos who like to talk about magic with a K. The magic circle through parties at Levez black house where they would perform rituals, give lectures on a cult topics and generally socialize with other free thinkers. Amongst the early members of the magic circle was a magician and dentist named Cecil E. Nixon. Dr Cecil E. Nixon.

Dr. Nixon. His main hobby was the construction of automotons, which in essence are somewhere between an animatronic and a robot, usually made of clockwork. Nixon's most famous automoton was Isis. Isis was a representation of an Egyptian woman who could supposedly play three thousand

songs on a zither that sat on its lap using a complex system of gears, camps, sprockets, solenoids, and electromagnets. And the way that it worked is that the guy would come out, he'd be like, "Okay, let's get the system ready."

So he'd first show you all the gear.

So you have this lady sitting at the top of a box. He'd open up one door and you'd see all the gears underneath it. He'd open another door. He's like, "This is also where all the gears are." And he'd open another little door that had buttons and little things on it.

He's like, "Here's all the controlling mechanisms." Then he'd close it. And he's like, "All right. Now I gotta go get her pressed and he turned a big crank." And then he's like, "Okay, now name a song."

Yeah.

“There were actually little speakers on Isis that you would like go down and you would ask for the song that you wanted.”

That's awesome. That's awesome. Not as impressive in reality as it sounds in theory. Shit. [laughter]

Just like the real Isis. You're like, "You guys are fucking." Now, it's cool that thought you'd be. It's just the sequel to Al Qaeda. It's always worse.

It's so much CGI.

Let's hear a demonstration of Isis during a televised British magic show in 1989 after someone asked the automaton to play home on the range.

[laughter] No, you know it. It really isn't. It really isn't. It really isn't.

It's really not. It's absolutely not in any way whatsoever. I'm a horrible liar that it's on the face. Those are guys that you're too. The two of us can get it.

It didn't even mean to have this happen. How's that happen? It doesn't happen. We're in trouble for us. We are in it.

So for years. Everybody said, "Great, but for years, there were so many people baffled by Isis." Yeah. And they thought that it was magic.

“And he said, like, Nixon said, "I had worked on this for 20 years in secret."”

And I'm continuing to work on it. And it's the mysterious mechanism. The owner of Harris casino bought Isis from Nixon and couldn't figure it out. He said he couldn't figure it out. That doesn't work.

[laughter] How important is that? What happens is that there's a guy in it. Yeah. And then when you lower the crank, you show all the stuff.

Because that's the front of where the guy is sitting. And then when you lower, when you hit the crank, it lowers the inner working. So the guy that's in the close box can crawl into this thing. Underneath Isis, that has this little keyboard in which you try to play the zither by looking through this little slot with this keyboard.

So that's why it sounds like that. Because like I can barely fucking see. And he's trying to do it from the inside. And this weird cockamamey thing. Yeah.

It's shit that's still going on today. I went to the magic castle last night. I went last night. I went last night. I went last night.

It just ran into me and was there. I was thinking about it all the whole episode today. But what, what, what, what did you go with now? Did you go with your wife? No, you go with your wife.

I need a wife. I need a wife. No, I went with Julie's friends. It was like a double day thing. And you're not looking to suit everything.

Yeah, I put a suit on. Yeah. I'm like a big monkey man. And they got a pig. They got a pig.

They bring them back to the zoo or anything. And that's the weird cockamamey. You're in the end of the piano. That just plays. And what it is is like, you talk to Irma.

And Irma doesn't exist. It's just an empty piano. But you speak at Irma. Irma, please play. I asked for autumn leaves.

How's it? Plie Irma, please play autumn leaves. And then Irma goes, then you tip Irma a dollar in her bird cage. And it's like, you know, that's just someone watching from another room. You know, but it's, it's very cool.

It's very cool. It's my favorite part of the magic castle. Yeah. So if you ever go, you would love Irma. You spend the whole time in there.

I know. Yeah. I love the close magic. All the close magic is my favorite things. But yeah, they definitely will touch her wife.

Yeah, magicians, you can't trust them. No, you really can't. They make their paintings. Yep. And they make their paintings disappear.

Well, Anton the Vase magic circle also counted filmmaker and author, Kenneth Anger as an early member.

This marked the first of the Vase two connections to the Manson family.

One of Anger's films, Lucifer Rising, starred Manson family member Bobby Bocelle,

That was the family's first victim.

“Kenneth Anger, to me, is also the exact reason why Anton the Vase was really interested more in getting into the movies.”

No, because Hollywood battle on him. And they're real. They're real. They're real love. Was the collection of those stories about Hollywood.

Yeah. That was their real time passing that they would do. Just talking about all these old ideas of conspiracy theories, like old ideas of, like, Cecil B. Demil, like, having, like, a girl mill and, like, having all these things. Like, if you ever read Hollywood battle on, it's so entertaining.

Yeah. The Vase should have lived in their life. He liked San Francisco. It was his hometown. San Francisco was was still cooler.

It was back then. Especially. Yeah. But I mean, really when these guys got together, they talked a lot more about what was the name of the guy that, you know, supposedly, you know, used the Coke bottle on the girl and almost got it, you know,

Chris probably was supposed to play in New York. Faddy Arbuckle. They talked far more about shit like Faddy Arbuckle and whether or not he actually did it than they did about Satan. Yeah. Like, that's the type of shit they talked about.

But through Kenneth Anger, Levet was introduced to the brilliant artist Marjorie Cameron, who was also Jack Parsons widow. The magic circle also boasted aristocrats. Taxa dermis and propolages and gastroenterologist as members. In other words, Levet was attracting intelligent curious people into his orbit. Levet was also exploring so-called demonic geometry at this time.

So he designed an oddly shaped black and red medallion adorned with a batwing demon for the most devoted members of the magic circle to wear. These nerds then formed a subgroup called the Order of the Trapposoid. This was a group within the magic circle. And those members would eventually become the leaders in the Church of Satan. In fact, what this early group was doing with their rituals really wasn't that much different from what the Church of Satan would eventually do.

Their rituals helped with professional advances, unexpected rewards, money, sexual romantic satisfaction, or the elimination of their enemies. Definitely it was a bunch of nerds focusing their energies so they could get the things they wanted out of life, which is what magic is all about. Now, Order of the Trapposoid. I had Natalie and I, I had made Order of the Trapposoid pendants for us to wear. And Order of the Trapposoid all comes from William Montgomery.

The idea of what it's considered to be magical interest and the idea of a trapposoidal shape, which is what he uses. But again, it was just the drinking group.

“You know what I mean? The Order of the Trapposoid was just he'd be like, "Okay guys, leave! We're having the Order of the Trapposoid secret meeting now."”

And then they'd like, "Are you now again?" Yeah. When you gave that to Natalie, was she like, "Could you get me something else?" No? No.

No. No. No. We're all with the women we're supposed to be with. Yeah.

Yeah. Let's just get. The Anton Lavae's first marriage didn't last long. In 1959, when Lavae was 29 years old, he met a 17-year-old girl named Diane Hagarchi, who was going by the name of Diane Vaughn-Jew. Diane was working as an usher at a movie theater near a bar where Anton was playing the organ,

and Anton apparently caught her eye. Shortly after their fair began, Lavae divorced his wife for Diane. Although, interestingly, Lavae's daughter, Carla, stayed in the black house with her father, rather than leave with her mother. He wasn't, you know, he wasn't that bad at the time.

Yeah. It was probably all the trap doors you couldn't find a way out. [laughter] The Diane Hagarchi would take Lavae's last name.

And while the two would never marry, it is almost certain that the Church of Satan would have never

gotten off the ground without Diane's input organization in ideas. But just as important was the fact that Diane fully encouraged Anton Lavae to finally become Anton Xander Lavae. Oh, unless you believe fucking Michael Aquino, he's like, "He talked to me. Yeah, I'm almost as friend."

[laughter] Blimey, I'm not a way to do the Church things.

“I went to the state, they felt I don't have a paperwork because that's what they do.”

So it was not his idea. It was the other guy, thank you. It's like, you know, realizing, you know, like, if you were like a fat, complain and loser, people were just going to like the other guy. Yeah, this is the whole thing, man.

Yeah, sure. I guess what? Every light tim, bro. Yeah. Every light tim, Tom.

No one liked you, Michael. No. They really didn't. You fucking every time you talk, they probably went, shut up, Michael. Shut the fuck up.

I hope we never do an episode on him.

Oh, no. He's coming up next episode. No. He'll be a part of an episode. A part of an episode.

He doesn't get his own episode. God, no. Because he's too fucking boring. And we are past as a group. And you can be thanked.

You thank us. Thank me.

Yeah. Because we know it boars people. Yeah. Because guess what I just tried to do. Read the Temple of Setbook.

And guess what it is.

“It's about all of his workings to form the Temple of Set.”

And guess what it is. Bargain's fuck. It's nothing's happened. It's hard to close. It's hard to close.

[laughter] Now, once Diane moved into the black house. It became in the words of author Doug Brod and his book born with the tail. "A canvas on which Leve could project his wicked feverish art, creating a total environment out of his grizzlyous dreams."

Arthur and Diane painted their bedroom glossy red. While the kitchen and living room were just as black as the house's exterior. You'll like this, Eddie. The exception in the kitchen was a mural which featured a cartoon bat demon modeled after Shirtabog from the night on bald mountain segment in Fantasia.

Oh yeah. Wow yeah. And what I love is below Shirtabog. That's where you put all of his organs. I mean, the organ in the kitchen is pretty grass.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

“Man, I would love if someone played the organ for me while I cook.”

I know. I had the same thought. But they then decorated the house with skulls, a full-size human skeleton. Probably obtained from someone at a San Francisco hospital. Taxidermy animals, a coffin, a chair that Leve claimed belonged to Rasputin.

A coffee table made from a tombstone belonging to some guy named Lucas Machado. And of course, dozens of Leve's own paintings. I actually look, I couldn't really find Leve's paintings. I couldn't either. It's insane.

When you look, all it's just, I mean, I guess it's just a Google thing. But yeah, Google is only gives you paintings of Anton Leve.

Oh, maybe he never did it and just lied about it.

No, no, no, they were everywhere. In fact, actually the fact, they must be alive. It might be an old and private hands. Yeah, maybe. I mean, I know he was good in the very first press that he got was for his paintings.

In like, in 1956. So they were, apparently good. He was a good artist. Yeah. They got, it was a real skeleton.

Yeah, they got a real skeleton. They got no one knows where they got it from. But they knew so many people, especially like, you know, if they knew gastroenterologist, they, you know, if they knew dentists, they knew people in the medical world.

Yeah. We don't probably could get him a human skeleton. It was a lot easier to get back then, too. Far easier. Oh, yeah.

Just like, you know, it's picking up like Disney. The power to the Caribbean used to be all skeletons. Yeah. Yeah, real skeletons. That was when it was awesome.

And then they've switched it out when someone was like, this is disgusting. Yeah. What happened? I mean, it's not that hard.

I mean, I know there's a fucking antique store in Pasadena right now that's selling the skeleton for like $2,000. I mean, I know it's expensive. Yeah. But it's not hard to get.

I would love, I want my skeleton to end up in a classroom somewhere. Just so like, some kid would steal my arm one. I mean, I would have got old Eddie's pinky. Well, they also installed a trick bookcase that connected their purple painted sitting room with their bedroom. A replica of King Tut Sarcophagus in the living room that also led to their bedroom

and a trapdoor in a fake fireplace that led to the basement. They must have been so much fun to use. Oh, there's a slide behind now. I don't know. I don't like to play just a big lad.

There's probably a net at the end.

Well, basically, I mean, he turned his house into a carnival.

It was a spook house. It's the whole thing as a carnival spook house. Because in my view, just about everything, it just keeps coming back to the carnival. For another example, when Diane and Anton had their daughter, they named her after her character from the Carnie novel, Nightmare Alley.

This child, perhaps one of the most infamous children in a cult history, was Zina. But her part in the story will come later. But by 1960, after Levey and Diane turned the black house into a fun house for the occult, Anton began formalizing the magical lectures he'd been giving casually at Magic Circle gatherings. He held these formal lectures every Friday night at midnight in his red walled living room.

Eventually Levey opened these lectures to the public. Charging $2.50 per person. These Friday night occult lectures came to be known as the first black masses, which were intended to be an inversion of the Catholic Mass. Instead of speaking on biblical subjects, Levey would give lectures on vampirism, bicanthropy, side show freaks, torture methods, sex theories, recipes for athletics,

grand-transplants on monkeys or goat. Zombies, haunted houses, ESP, Monkelei, basically it's what people like us have been doing with podcasts for the last 15 years. But he did it in a cool ass house, but they got dressed up of the devil and all hanging out.

“Yeah, did he do was he playing the organ and stuff while he did it too?”

I mean, sometimes he played the organ. But yeah, most of the, yeah, they were just these formalized lectures. Like, hey, I just studied vampires all week.

Here's what I learned about vampires.

Man, I bet that was fun as hell. Yeah, yeah, for 250, that's a great Friday night. But taking it far beyond talk, Anton also held activities at these black masses.

The supposed leg was cooked in fruit juice, grenadine, and triple sec.

And served with fried bananas, yams, Tonka bean wine, and caterpillars. After a lecture on cannibalism was given, it was said that while some in the magic circle were squeamish about eating caterpillar, they had no problem feasting on human flesh. But if we're being realistic here, it was probably just pork. It was pork.

Yeah, because in the end, we all know that he doesn't believe in human sacrifice. That whole thing. It's just like a funny thing to do when it's fun. But it wasn't sacrifice. No, no.

No, no.

“Yeah, it was, I think they said it was like it had been amputated or something.”

It's not real. It's not real. Yeah. Although it could be. I'd like to think that it could be.

Well, to me, the idea of, like, they do that because I held a cannibal dinner.

Mm-hmm. And there's something about that where it's way. It's more fun to just be like, we're cannibals. Like, then you have to worry about it. Just fun.

But it looks like people. Yeah. Yeah. You shouldn't eat people. No.

It just 'cause it could lead to brain problems. You're going to pray on disease. Yeah. That's a main issue. Something that don't eat dolphin either.

Yeah. A lot of too much mercury. That's a main issue.

“Now, when to anthem the vase started opening his home to the public.”

He also completely transformed his look in 1966. Looking to copy the style of medieval executioner's carnival strongmen and black magicians, like Alistair Crowley, and on the vase, shaved his head, dawned a cloak, and shaped his go-ty into an aggressive point. Now, LaVay claimed that he did this to mimic the Faustian depiction of metastophiles, who's usually seen as the devil's liaison or the devil's agent.

Or cat? Yeah. Yeah. But it has been noted that Anton LaVay may have taken inspiration from a far less high-falutin source. Instead of Faust, it's speculated that Anton LaVay took his look from dawn records.

Yes, he did. Yes, he did. Yes, he did. That's fucking hockey pot. Yeah, we want to look good.

You know, you look like man. Yes. I'm Polish. Yeah. Just about a month before Anton LaVay debuted his new look in 1966, dawn records had appeared as a supernatural villain in an episode of a now forgotten espionage Western TV show called The Wild Wild West, which I watched a little bit of it kind of seems like a cross between mission impossible and gun smoke.

Interesting. Yeah, it's interesting. Wow, he's so funny looking at this. Yeah.

“Oh my god, Eddie, I've never seen him look.”

I'm like that. That's hilarious. Well, records in a rare dramatic turn he played it totally straight plays a sinister black magician named as modias, who uses a cult imagery, rituals and black magic to frighten and manipulate the town's folk in a typical 19th century Western settlement. In his episode, awesomely titled The Night of the Druids Blood, Rickles character even burned someone alive in a seemingly supernatural fashion.

But ultimately, the deaths are exposed as simple murder using smoke and mirrors, much like a very dark episode of Scooby-Doo.

Wow. That's very cool. I can't wait to watch this. Yeah. But in the end, it cannot be denied that while the character design of Asmodious definitely took from depictions of Faust, Matthew Stoffelies, the style of Don Rickles in this role.

Broadcast just a month before Ant on the Bay unveiled his own look is incredibly similar to Leve's bald-headed pointed go-t style. It also looks like what? Like, there's also that famous guy who was Ming the Mercellus was like a thing. Yeah, Ming the Mercellus from a flash garden. Yeah.

Man, you know, that pissed Rickles off. Like the first person that looked like him was like a Satanist. Oh, he probably had no fucking idea. Wait, but if you guy, you will have a Satanist. But that's better?

No. Yeah. Have you ever had a mess? Anyway. Anyway.

[laughter] [music playing] Well, Ant on the Bay was certainly getting attention for all this occult imagery. He was also gaining local notoriety in San Francisco in the mid-1960s as the big cat guy. This kind of tells you what San Francisco was about in the '60s.

Guys, there's so much fun. Yeah. See, in 1964, his leopard Zoltan, I mean, cats cat. No matter if it's bigger small. Cats sometimes run out of the house when you open the door.

Of course they do. This time, Zoltan ran out of the house, got hit by a car. It's a fucking leopard. Yeah. Different than a cat.

You mean, it's still way different than a cat. No, a cat and cats a cat. You leave the door open, cats going to get out. The leopard's 150 pounds. It's pretty big.

I can't really imagine the balls of the person who hit the ball. I'd be so scared. What kind of dog is that? Well, Zoltan was killed in buried in Anton's backyard.

So in November of 1964, a member of the Magic Circle bought a baby Nubian lion for Anton Leve. Yeah.

That's such a good job with the first one.

Hey. Hey. Come on. You know, we've all gotten a pet after one pet died. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Of course. To be honest, I recommend it. Yeah.

When they're lovers. Yeah.

“I don't think you have to worry about being like sad.”

Like, I think you should. As soon as your pet dies, get a new pet. Yeah. That's my view. Oh, yeah.

You got a place of new pet. Oh, he's just done. I have multiple pets. And I'm ready for them to die. Yours are staggered out in generational.

You get to really play with that. That's awesome. Great roster. Yeah. We do the same thing at our house.

There are dogs, one young, one a little bit all. But you go.

You stagger them so that way you're never without a dog.

That's the idea. Because they're going to die. Every time. But, you know, you never know which one's going to go. To see what's supposed to make it okay for me to deal with Rambo dying.

But then he died. And she's still around. And you're later. She ain't going anywhere. She did that.

She did it because she's an evil woman. Just like a fucking mother. You know. Makes sense. And Tom got a new big cat.

He got a lion. And he named it Togar after the stage name of an Austrian lion tamer. Again, and on the way, must have had experience with big cats. Because as opposed to Count Dante, who couldn't stop his lion from attacking his students, LaVe was able to take Togar to his daughter's kindergarten class for show and tell.

He's got to be something. I mean, this lock was actually reported in the San Francisco Chronicles. That absolutely happened. But it was still a kitten at that point, right? At that point.

Yeah. But even so, you remember like Count Dante is people would say, like, Every time we tried to feed the cat, you had to hold down all four of its paws because it would scratch the shit out of you. And Tom of A knew what he was doing. Yeah, and Tom of A is better than Count Dante.

Yeah. One thing. Yeah, because Count Dante is a pale imitation of Anton of A. And seemingly, Anton of A parlayed this lion coverage into getting a part-time job, writing a column for the Chronicle himself in which he cemented his reputation as one of San Francisco's

weirdest characters. While the column was mostly about his time as a paranormal investigator, it was also where Leve made his first claims about being a lion trainer, a carnival organist, a police photographer, and an accordion teacher. Oh, that's where he set the law.

Yeah, and this legend was set. This was before, this is two years before he started the Church of Satan. Tom got easier to lie back then. It really is.

“And honestly, you say that, but it's easy to lie now.”

You just got to keep doing it.

That's the key, Eddie never given ever.

Dig in, never change. Alex Jones fucking sold his family down the river when he broke character. He broke character. That was his biggest problem. And Tom guard the lion was, after all, still a lion.

While Tom guard was well behaved enough where Anton could walk it through his local supermarket, just to get a reaction from the public, the lion did once almost kill the grandson of the 21st president of the United States, Chester A Arthur. Not Chester A Arthur.

Yeah, I'm sorry. Chester a birthday. I've been attached to him. Wow, well, Chester, it's Chester A Arthur's grandson. I still love him.

Yeah, Arthur A Arthur. Well, President Arthur's grandson was also Chester A Arthur, but he called himself Gavin to set himself apart. Called himself Gavin Arthur. Great.

Gavin. Gavin Arthur was yet another fascinating figure in Anton the vase orbit. By the mid 60s, Arthur had established himself as both an astrologer and a sexologist. God, thank Albert Kinsey, but if he was obsessed with horoscope. It's a perfect time to be a sexologist.

It really is. It really is. Fucking our astrologer. Yeah, and you know who's like super into Gavin Arthur's sexologist stuff? As Alan Watts.

Alan Watts loved it. Like he would write all like, and he knew Alan Watts. He was like Gavin Arthur was in that scene with Alan Watts and all those guys. Well, and you know, Gavin Arthur would call himself the pre hippie hippie. He was active in the early gay rights movement as a bisexual.

He was friends with and had sex with various writers amongst the beat generation. That's where Neocastie came in. Wow. Yeah, it came in, came on, came out. Whatever.

And he was also an early leader in San Francisco's hate Ashbury scene before the whole thing fell apart.

“That's what he means when he says he's the pre hippie hippie.”

He was he was there in the beginning when they were like, okay, there's something going on here. Something's changing, you know, perspective is changing. And then, of course, the hippie movement just did what it did. Yeah. But he was the guy.

He was one of the guys at the very beginning. That's very cool. And those were the guys that Anton Leve hung out with. And when Gavin Arthur dined with Anton Leve, he found himself suddenly trapped under 250 pounds of lion. As Togar ripped Arthur's suit to shreds in the middle of dinner.

He smelled the president on him. Yeah.

Gavin later quipped to the chronicle.

“This is what I kept for not hiring a lion's sit-up.”

[laughter] He just teem it. I guess it is a bit of a snaggle post line. Oh yeah. This is what I kept for not hiring a lion's sit-up.

[laughter] It's suit-a-law. Oh, it's a stage ride even. [laughter] Sometime in 1966, Anton Leve decided that his profile was not quite high enough.

After shaving his head and putting on a cape and devil horns, Leve officiated a wedding as a high priest of Satan, complete with a naked woman on the altar. The ceremony was of course both public and covered by the press. But after the ceremony, Leve started gaining national attention as both a big cat guy and as a satinist.

But his neighbors, instead of going out to the satinist angle, they started getting very vocal about Togar. Yeah, I make sense. Yeah, there's a lion attacking the neighborhood. And we'll deal with the satinist stuff later.

[laughter] Seems kind of a esoteric issue, and we're kind of all sort of trying to sort out. But there's a lion on the street. [laughter]

“It really does show you everything about San Francisco.”

There's this great news footage. It's archived footage of people interviewing neighbors. And they're like, "I don't care about the satinist and stuff who really cares." But this lion keeps styling my husband when he was at two ways. It's so loud.

It's so loud. He's so loud. The walls are so thin. [laughter] Eventually, though, Togar got to be too much to handle.

Because it's always a bad idea to have a lion as a pet.

Dianhagarty tried brushing to basco sauce on the furniture because Togar kept chewing everything to pieces. And Togar was known to go into rampages within the house that would cost thousands of dollars to repair. Gotta get a scratch and post. Really does. Yeah, or a scratch and a cross.

[laughter] That would be so much fun. It looks like done cross. Yeah, it's just like that. It's fucking awesome.

I should've worked for Anton. [laughter] Maleve had tried and failed to sell Togar to a circus for $5,000. Should've tried for four. [laughter]

Yeah. But after Togar clawed and burst a water pipe one day, flooded the basement of the black house. Leve said fuck it. And got on the phone to the San Francisco Zoo.

That very day to donate the beast.

Leve, however, wasn't happy about the circumstances that led to him losing Togar. He said he cursed his neighbors for complaining. I got to see him. And many of them thereafter moved away, died, or disappeared.

“I think that mostly that was just what happened with San Francisco.”

They were all the people that were complaining were old. And that's what old people do. I got to see them. [laughter] Also, he got rid of the lion because it's destroyed his house.

Yeah. It was difficult to do. It was expensive to keep. It was a feeling he would've just become a guy. He had a lot of feelings.

He had no idea with them. Yeah, and he also for some reason to set it to curse the director of the San Francisco Zoo. Who was seemingly doing Anton a favor? Yeah, dude. He's right in a fucking help, bro.

Well, Leve claimed that he put all of his frustrations into a crystal baboon figure in a ritual chamber belonging to a friend. And while we could find no articles whatsoever about this supposed incident, because you'd think the paper would have covered this. Yeah. Leve said that shortly after he made all these curses on the baboon figure, the director of the San Francisco Zoo was killed by apes. Well, I just did the whole thing on the San Francisco Zoo, and that was definitely not in their list of incidents.

Yeah, I don't think he was killed by apes. Yeah. No, a very thing he would've been killed by Tatiana, who wasn't born yet. Exactly. Yes.

Togar, meanwhile, was renamed Neal. Neal? He's a terrible name for a lion. It's a lion. Yeah.

In 1972, he was sold to a film director named Noel Marshall, who kept Togar in his home in Sherbin Oats. Here in the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles. Oh, yeah. It's like I pretty certainly know the house. Yeah.

They kept a ton of animals there, because Marshall had a thing for lions as well. In 1981, he directed the notoriously disastrous lion movie roar. Oh, daddy. I'm telling you. Melanie Griffith's dad.

Yep. We're going to get into that right now. Because the production of this movie, we'd Lee has an occult angle that has nothing to do with Anton the Bay. Because coincidence is something that follows Anton the Bay everywhere.

It's just the truth. Yeah. And Togar, by the way, was one of the stars of roar. Now, this lion movie described as both the most dangerous movie ever made and the most expensive home movie ever made.

It is fucking insane. It stars Tippy Hendron from the birds who was married to Marshall. Yeah. Their daughter, Melanie Griffith, she's the co-star, and Jan DeBont, who directed Twister and Speed, was the cinematographer on this movie.

Yeah. It took five years to complete this film because the big cats like Togar were less than co-operative.

nearly fatal incidents during filming.

Yeah. A lion cutely named Cherries, she bit Tippy Hendron's head hard enough to scrape her skull. Melanie Griffith almost lost an eye to another lion. She had to get cosmetic surgery. I mean, the rumor is, I don't know how true it is, but like that she was almost scouted

and like her fucking top of her head was flopping up and down.

“Well, actually that's what happened to Jan DeBont.”

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's what happened to Jan DeBont. He wasn't even a fucking actor. He was the cinematographer. He was fully scouted by the same lion that almost ate Tippy Hendron.

Wow.

He had to get two hundred and twenty stitches to put his scalp back on.

Also, I got to say roar is unwatchable. Yeah. Yeah. The director himself almost lost an arm after a lion bit his hand. That was just one of 11 serious injuries sustained by no martial, including gangrene

and blood poisoning from all the bites. All the shit took years for him to recover from. Togar was actually one of the lead lions in the movie, but his previous good behavior was forgotten.

“He bit the assistant director in the throat and jaw before trying to chew off the 80s ears.”

This is after the 80 accidentally queued and attacked. Yeah. Because that's what would happen. You could make one move and hand movement lion goes. Because there were a few is to pay all the animal sag.

You're right. That's the problem. Yeah. You can do it. You can represent it even here.

And then they fucking just attacked. That's how it always is. Believe me, I work with you every tambour. There we go, son. And this is just a small, small sampling of all the shit that went down during the production of roar.

And the amount of sheer mayhem around this movie has caused people to call it a cursed production. But it said that roars curse is merely an extension of another movie curse. Marshall had funded roar with the money that he had made as a producer for the exorcist. Oh, hell yeah. And it was rumored that roar was plagued by the same satanic curse that made the exorcist so difficult to film.

“Which I'm sure was all very amusing to anton the way.”

I mean, it just goes well in freaking. It's kind of an asshole. Yeah. He's an asshole and he refrigerated the set and all that shit. And then I mean, roar was not cursed.

It was filled with lions and tiger. I'm trying. I'm trying. I mean, the exorcist just had a very perfectionist director that made things hard on the cast. Yeah.

And there was elephants too. Like an elephant almost killed someone during the filming of roar. Yeah. Yeah. Get out of him.

Just makes me think of Katie Perry. Why? Roar. Oh, yeah. And you just think of her just fucking just floating through space naked.

Mm-hmm. I don't know why that's my default. Yeah. Well, just her spinning through space frozen and naked. Hell yeah.

Dead? No. She's frozen and naked in space. She's going to be dead. Mm-hmm.

I guess so. Chili. Chili. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And partly, the Church of Satan's great success was very much a case of right place, right time. While San Francisco was already well established as a counter-culture hotspot by 1966, LeVay was also writing a wave of uncertainty sweeping America when it came to the role that religion was supposed to play in the modern world. An April 8th of that year, Time Magazine published a now infamous cover story with a headline asking, "Is God dead?" Yeah, if you gotta ask, yes.

Yeah. Yeah. Yes, yes. She wrote a little bit of a damn. Well, the whole point of the article was basically, you know, we used religion for so many years to explain the things about the natural world that we didn't understand.

But now that we're in this era of modern science and we understand so many more things than we once did, what role does God play? Do we need God anymore? And therefore, is God dead? No.

No. But just asking the question, naturally caused a lot of outrage in the Christian establishment and also amongst Christians worldwide. But Ant on the Way was paying attention to not only the content of the article, but also the reaction. He immediately saw how publicly questioning the Christian God could translate into a lot of attention and a lot of publicity. If he did it in the right way.

So taking inspiration from such occult institutions as the Hellfire Club and Alistair Crowley's Abbey of the Lama and then sprinkling a lot of carnival atmosphere over the whole thing. Ant on the Way announced the founding of the Church of Satan on Vol.

It just knocked 1966 60 years ago this month and it is incredible that all these sixes show up in the same month that we did episode 666.

Yep. It's kind of a whole thing. It's really strange.

“I always kind of think about the fact that all that material was handed to me as I then also was cast on a show.”

And which I played a devil and then I dealt with all that. We like, it just gets, it's very funny how it all shakes out. I also think that Ant on the Way was inspired by scienceology in terms of the money. Yeah, well, and understanding that you can do that. That you can just set up a actual religion.

I'm really excited next episode to talk about Sammy Davis Jr. Poor devil and your pretty face is going to hell. I'll be all kind of together. I just love Tammy Davis Jr. And you fucking the whole thing.

Yeah, Pat. Yeah, she. She's a shaton, baby. He's amazing. It's amazing.

And you know, my very first apartment in New York City.

The address was 666 St. Nicholas Avenue. St. Nicholas is another word for Santa in Santa's and Antagram for Satan. That's awesome. Yeah, dude. Fuck yes.

He fucking made us man fucking in my field. He's power is like fucking bad. I want your phone to come. I'm gonna kill God. I'm not gonna kill God.

I'm not gonna kill God. I'm not gonna kill God. I'm not gonna kill God. Levi declared 1966 to be I know Satanus. Year one of the satanic calendar.

But considering the year and the city in which it was founded, the Church of Satan was not the party you to sum it to be. The Church actually forbade the use of drugs and elucinogens, because they quote impeded the effective control over one surroundings. Alcohol was allowed, but only in moderation.

And it was often served at Church of Satan parties as a concoction called Goblin Juice. And it was usually served from a toilet. So he kind of gave you a like, there was a hint of like, you know, don't get too drunk. Yeah, you might want it.

Yeah, which is he was always about that.

He was always like that. He was like, he's not a tea-totler, but he was close to it. Yeah. Meanwhile, the Catholics were given wine to children. Yeah, and then the old kids get fucking plummetia from sharing the Goblin with everybody.

Yeah, and herpes. Yeah. Now after the Church of Satan opened its doors, they began attracting misfits of every type. From the mentally ill with dilutions of grandeur,

to curious knowledge seekers who felt like the hippie counterculture was lacking a distinct edge. Levet, in fact, hated hippies. He called them the final de-evolution of man. Whatever, bro.

No, you. I actually saw them. He saw them as laser. They're like, they're just smoke, they're just doing drugs, and they're not doing anything. Fuck yeah.

He was the one thing he did. His real point was, you know, he was really against was the idea of, get the time, the idea of free love. Yes. That is what he was specifically against.

Yeah, he liked to pay for it. Yeah. He liked to pay for it. But no, his thing was, I don't think you deserve to be loved

just for existing. The free love movement was all about how everyone should be loved no matter what they do, and you create an absolute type environment for anybody that wants to

calm and kind of try to forgive themselves first,

and then you guys can all be like, is idea that we all should be loved no matter what. Anton Levet is trying to say, "Earn my love." Yeah.

“And I will say that I believe I could be wrong,”

because I don't know much about Anton Levet. The hippie movement was invaded by bikers and criminals, and I don't think this one was. The hippie movement failed. Yeah.

Yeah. They all became fucking bankers. Get it. Yeah. They failed completely.

And it's also the simple fact that free love doesn't work. No. It's actually caused quite a bit of rape. Yeah. Yeah.

Caused a lot, a lot, a lot of problems. And that's the thing. Anton Levet did understand people at the very least. He did understand people. And he did realize that, you know,

people do need, we need rules. We do need some, we need at least a personal code that we need to live by. And, but he also understood that having a deity as the arbiter of those rules didn't work.

It's like, if you're only not committing crimes and doing horrible things, because you're afraid that God will punish you for it, then you're a real piece of shit. Like, you need every man and woman needs to do things because it's the right thing to do.

They're just a society. Yeah.

“And I think the only hippie band that could use the colliety”

was blood sweat and tears. I mean, they would really be able to back that up because they got the sound. Yeah. But it's hard.

It's very loud instrument. It's hard to do. It's loud, man. Whether the people coming to the church to Satan were mentally unbalanced or merely weird.

Many of them that were attracted to the church to Satan, they wanted to use ritual magic to gain successes that they felt they were rightfully owed. But it been denied for one reason or another. And one example of a revenge ritual,

the congregates would arrive to a satanic black mass

They would then spend the evening acting

and talking like their nemesis. Then at the end of the night, the congregates would symbolically kill their nemesis through the casting of spells. Henry, for example, if he were to do this,

would show up acting talk like Eddie Redman on the night. Yeah. But I do think that magically does kind of make sense. But you know what's funny is that practically, I think you could you be surprised what you learn

walking around in the shoes of the person you hate all night. Probably actually, but you went up getting a form of empathy from doing it. And that's kind of what he was even saying. Like even just the curse part of the night.

It's not even that.

“It's more like you need to accept that yourself.”

Like you need to figure out how to get over other people's thoughts of you. Okay, man.

I'm going to hate Jimmy John no matter how many sandwiches I eat.

And this is, it's incredibly nerdy shit. But the idea was that the participant would gain new confidence from the magical world. But the idea was that the participant would gain new confidence from the magical world.

And the participant would gain new confidence from the magical act. And they would return to the world with the boys needed to obtain success in the realms of money, love, or vengeance, depending on their wish. Now, one of the things that's often left out of the history of the Church of Satan is that it was co-founded and built from the ground up

by Levez Partner, Diane Hogarty. Diane took care of the administrative duties at the church, including collecting the $25 membership fees and distributing all the merch. As we all know, merch is key to being sticky.

And Diane made sure that Levez books, records, plaques, medallions, and membership cards, everyone loves a land here. Everybody likes a land here. She made sure that all of that shit made it out to the growing number of Satanists around the country.

And so, with Diane's help, and on the way,

became the first person to found an organization that was dedicated

to Satan and the delights of the flesh. Basically, Satanism is a sort of... It's kind of a mix of like iron-ran, style, selfishness, and hedonism, but with a caveat, that nothing you do should ever hurt anyone else.

Children, especially. The child caveat was added early on, because it seems like Levez predicted the satanic panic of the 80s, in which Satanists would be accused of molesting and/or murdering children on mass without a single shred of evidence.

Now, it's interesting that a man who married a child wanted to protect themselves. (laughter) (laughter) They weren't children yet. They're better.

Well, you just made him kids now.

“See, I do think the most important thing”

the Church of Satan enters, which is the thing that, I think, why it's worth anything, is all of the layers of consent. Yes. In Satanism, there are many, many layers of consent.

It is all about you choosing. The idea that Christianity proposes is a boilerplate view of reality. They think that, like, when you're Christian, that you're just, like, if it's a Christian world,

and there's nothing you can do about it, and you're walking around with these rules created by an arbitrarily by an unknowing, unfeeling deity, a far above you, that you now are forced to walk around, like, a fucking puppet.

This thing is supposed to be, like, no, you choose. Yeah. Also, it seems like the Church of Satan is better to... Women? Far better.

Well, he's still everything for women that ever... Every idea he had was stolen from women. He loved women truly, and I do really completely understand it, and on the way, worship women, but he definitely plagiarized most of these best ideas

from women. Yeah. That is true. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. He's great. He loves, but he trusted women.

“Women were an extremely important part of the Church of Satan.”

He actually viewed women as morally superior to men. Yeah. And as far as, like, consent goes, the stuff the Church of Satan was doing, like, they were talking about ideas of consent in the late '60s that really only became a part of the culture,

like, just, I would say, American culture at large. In 2020, maybe 2015. You know, like, those ideas of consent. Yeah. They were around for a long time.

It's just that they were buried in the Church of Satan. Yeah. Because the hippie movement was a whole misogynistic thing. It was totally understand that was game towards being like, oh, no, man. We all ball each other, man.

Yeah. It's like, sometimes dangerous people hit inside of the hippie movement. A lot of them. Many dangerous people. I'm a hippie sympathizer and I know that's true.

Church, man. Number one. Yeah. Now, one of the things that made the Church of Satan so successful, both in gaining supporters and in attracting enemies,

was its effectively spooky imagery, much of which is styled around the sigil of the goat head of the cult figure, Bathamette. That's why if you can get a chance, get the out of print book that command to look.

It is all this. This is everything. It's the heart of I had no idea. I'm a fucking student of Satanism. I had no idea until I just got this book.

Well, the sigil of the Church of Satan was an inverted pentagram containing a goat

“head surrounded by five stylized Hebrew letters that spelled out the words,”

Leviathan, one of the crown princes of hell. Leviathan. This is one of the crown princes of hell. There's no big deal. But that goat was based on bathamette.

The bathamette was the right figure for Anton the Vader choose here, and not just because bathamette is the coolest looking, and most recognizable figure in all of a cult them. To jog your memory, bathamette is the hermaphroditic goat headed figure with gigantic horns and wings,

sitting cross-legged with one hand pointed up in the other hand, pointed down. It certainly appears demonic, but it was in no way meant to be a representation of Satan. And for a single time, I'm going to let you know this.

This is one of my fucking biggest pet peeves. If I see bathamette being used as a brepper presentive of Satan in a movie, shut it off. We're all right.

And shows that everything else is wrong. You've just completely fucked it all up. As soon as you're saying that bathamette is like a devil and it's supposed to be scary and that pentagrams are scary, it's like, oh, you're you're a moron.

“I remember in Boca, we had the Christmas tree,”

and then like everyone was like, well, if you're going to have a Christmas tree, you got to have a menorah. And then like the Satanists in Boca got a, they were, they applied and got a bathamette

sculpture in the middle of the same place. Hell yeah, it's great. Yeah, I love bathamette statues around. It's awesome. Yeah, actually, I have a bathamette statue in my home.

Yeah, that my brother-in-law got me for Christmas. It was great. It's really trying to see you. It was very sweet. Well, the word bathamette actually first appears

during the Crusades in 1307, as a sort of weapon to be used by the French crown against the warriors of the Crusades, the Knights Templar. See, the King of France felt that the Templars

were becoming too powerful.

So he declared that the Templars were worshipping an idolatrous bearded figure called bathamette. And he had many of the Templars arrested and tortured based on this accusation. And you remember the reason why they did that, too,

is because they were running protection for all the treasures coming back from the Crusades. And eventually they said, what if we just keep the treasures? Yeah.

And then they just said, then they made a mistake. It's about money. Yeah. Well, that means not even Satanists. I mean, it's weird.

In reality, bathamette was a corruption of the medieval European word for Muhammad, who, of course, was worshipped by the other side in the Crusades. Interesting.

That medieval European word was Muhammad, which became bathamette. Yeah.

It's basically saying that they were worshippers of Muhammad,

but they kind of created a new sort of person who was a holster evil Muhammad. Yeah. An extra evil Muhammad that only the night's Templar worshipped, but it was all based on basically Islamophobia.

Bathamette came back in the 19th century when it was said that he became the subject of worship

“of another secret society, the Freemasons.”

Fritucultist, a life as Levi, took this rumor and ran with it. He gave bathamette light. He designed the bathamette we all know today for his 1854 book, The Doctrine and Ritual of High Magic.

Looking for a figure that would represent a balancing of opposing forces, Levi reimagined bathamette as a hermathroditic winged figure with the head and feet of a goat. He then adorned his illustration with

esoteric symbols galore, and in doing so created one of the most metal images in history. But as far as how bathamette came to represent Satan, Levi's illustration was simplified and used for the devil card in the popular

writer-weight terror deck in 1909. That, of course, sealed bathamette's association with the Christian devil. This imagery was picked up by Alster Crowley and eventually Ant on the Way,

who both understood how powerful of an image bathamette was.

Levi also understood how valuable his image of bathamette was. In 1981, his depiction of the occult figure became a registered trademark of the Church of Satan. Excellent. See, this is the thing. It's not evil.

Like bathamette is the reason why it works so well for esoteric symbolism is because when you look at it, you're like, oh my God, this evil god, this evil horn thing. But it's exactly what you said. It's technically just a symbol of the balance

of the flows of male and feminine, dark and light. All of these things, it's about balance. It's not an evil figure at all. It just looks evil, which works great for people. The devil card, it's not about something bad happening to you.

It's about you getting several temptations and thinking about and possibly changing what you're doing. It's about opening up your mind to other possibilities. Sounds like it's a similar image as justice. Certain.

And justice doesn't even have a tits out. And she should. If she wanted to say attention. That's a little bit. Why are there no nipples on justice?

I think they're there. There's no tits on justice. There can be. Sometimes it's. She should flop them out.

Sometimes they are flopped out. I remember in high school,

an exposed nipple on a justice statue.

It's just unbelievable.

“Like you're going to jerk off to marble.”

I guess if you can. Good on it. You know, I need more than that. Suck your machines, candles. Alcohol.

How is your suction machine? Is it clean? It's honestly been struggling. It's really the struggle. I think it's going through depression.

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“That daughter was Mariska Hargatee, who you probably know best as Detective Olivia Benson”

from lawn odor SVU. No nonsense, ladies, you super tall. You're beautiful. James Mansfield should have been shorter. She would have lived.

You're right. It's her fault. You're right, Eddie. Fuck her, man. Fuck her huge breasts.

No, never. She's one of my favorite graves at Hollywood forever. Oh, it's got she's got a really great stone. It does. All her dogs are with her too, right?

Mm-hmm. Well, according to legend, beautiful, beautiful woman. Yeah. Goddamn. But when Jane Mansfield was killed, we can talk all day about the James Mansfield.

Yeah. But when Jane Mansfield was killed, and on the way, tried including himself in the story, although I do not think it came off anywhere near as cool as Levey thought it would. He claimed that one day in 1967, he made a fatal mistake. While making a church of Satan scrapbook.

No, I lost my movie's job. I knew I should have hired a historian. Well, cutting out an article on Marilyn Monroe, Levey said his scissors slipped, and he accidentally cut a photo of Jane Mansfield across the neck. This put an accidental curse on Mansfield, and Levey scrapbook story, which he told over and

over again, that did a lot of the heavy lifting and contributing to the still persisting rumor that Mansfield was decapitated during the car crash that killed her. I thought she wasn't until this moment. Yeah.

“I mean, honestly, I'm going to say that she wasn't.”

It actually, that all, it's all and on the way. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a great story. Don't get me wrong.

Head was crushed. Unrecognizable. But completely popped off. Yeah. I mean, again, that's that little bit of a, that's a little

bit of a, kind of adds it. We miss. We miss around here. Yeah. But Jane Mansfield was not the only celebrity to become interested in the Church of Satan. Nor was the Church of Satan free from other infamous figures. Join us next week as we cover Anton's involvement with Susan

Actons of the Manson family. His fight with Temple of Set founder and satanic panic figure, Michael Aquino, and the fascinating story of how Mr. Show business himself. Sammy Davis Jr. became heavily involved with Anton LeVe's Church of Satan. Reportedly until the day he died.

Oh, yeah, man. Cool. Sammy Davis Jr. loved Satan. Mr. Bojangles, man. I love it, man.

Yeah, Sammy is cool. He's cool. No, I actually plan on telling, like, his full story because you, because for me, like,

“Sammy Davis Jr. as a satinist always sounded like a joke, but I, you know,”

I, you know, I disguised and looking into it, it was absolutely real. And of course, then there's the question, it's like, it's Sammy Davis Jr. How does Sammy, how does one of the rat pack become a satinist? It makes total perfect sense. It literally all makes sense.

It just makes the amazing documentary Sammy Davis Jr. And it makes total sense because he

really was like, he was more Jewish than any other Jewish guy around him, like literally they all went to him. Like, he became so Jewish that like Billy Crystal said he treated him like his own personal rabbi. Then he's having problems with he would like call Sammy Davis Jr. up and he would go on

He was primed for Satanism in a way.

He was primed. He was a secret. He was a secret. Yeah, because it went his, his evolution went Scientology, Judaism, Satanism. That's awesome.

It's really interesting. We'll get there. And also next week, we'll talk about how I can already hear you fucking, which is the use. I'll use the slur that Antonlavae used for all of you.

A cult next. I've heard about it. I know that you a cult next already kind of upset about the fact that I'm talking and shit about Michael Alcano because we do know he's technically a good guy, which is hilarious.

Like he's technically a good man.

He's a way better guy than Antonlavae.

He just happens to be way worse than everything else. It's just super annoying. He's brilliant. He's very annoying. But the people love his fucking ass.

“That's why no one trusts the Democrats for so annoying.”

You broke. And I'm fucking his ass. I'm fucking put we in there. Look at his heavy monster fucking ass. Yeah, he's ugly.

I ain't no fucking Democrat. I also want to say. I'll fucking nothing. You don't even know. I'm a libertarian.

I'm a true way of the future. Oh no. I also want to say RIP to Scooners and Lubbock. My, my long, my long time bar. Yeah, the, the, the, the, the, the old fucking, you know,

muck and grime that was Scooners after 30 years.

It's finally closing down.

Oh, man. So I guess I are RIP to Scooners.

“Oh, you folk out there and Lubbock that are still going.”

Go have one on me. Go have a Scooner a butt light and a fucking marble red and relive my college days. So make me thirsty for it now. Make me thirsty for it.

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“It is kick in season two on LPN TV and the brighter side's got news.”

Should go. The finals are coming. It's coming. Some players underneath. Scott new material coming out.

Go check that. Shit out on our YouTube page. So yeah, and I'm hitting the road by myself. I got a lot of shows coming up. Go and see that on eddytunes.com.

I'm coming to all kinds of cities including San Francisco. So it's great. It's so fun. Great. Well, he'll sweet sweet.

Hail Satan. It's good to say it. When it's proper. Yeah, full-throated. Hail Satan.

Turb now game. Yeah, and on these like 666-667 episodes. I would like to hail the wonderful Rob Oki for all the work you do. Yeah, Rob. Yeah, Rob.

Rob. Rob. Yeah, Rob works as that's off. Thank you, Rob. Hey, Rob.

Some woman buy him. Some woman come and buy my Rob. He's for sale. I'll sell you to him.