Episode 674: Florida Files - Tales from Florida's Female Prisons

That's one of the cannonballs I started.

“I literally went home and that inspired me.”

It got a room at the Jersey Shore.

This is the first time I've seen this.

It's great. So what's in my head? It's been two songs like it just started with Shorehouse and then it's... But I got a lot of money because I just got paid. I think they can take a break.

It's because two songs are fucking mashed together. Fucking brain doesn't know what to do with that. It's a mashup. What is that? That's not a mashup. That's kind of a...

That's kind of a... I've got a back end to this. I pulled them back down into the shit. How many is a few? Three. You can't search like this.

Couple. Few. Several many. Two, three, four, five. We can't do this.

Some is like six to nine. Okay. I thought a handful is what happens when you... I'm not going to do this, Eddie. I can't believe it.

I don't know how to joke today. Okay, this is a very serious topic. I do think you're interested. Handful is definitively five. Into this five fingers.

That's what I always have to be.

Several of seven.

“Yeah, unless you're talking about a child.”

That means that child is awful. Yeah. He's a hand-play. He's a hand-play. He's a hand-fall.

That means I'm going to have a bad weekend. Because I'm hanging out with a five-year-old. Who's a hand-fall? Welcome to Last Podcasts. Wow.

You. Gentleman. Oh. I never want to say a boy's a hand-fall. Oh, that boy's a hand-fall.

I'm too hands-fall. Henry's a brass key. Yeah, that's right. I got just a tantalizing amount of tits that have you grabbed me in the dark. You'd think I'm the sexiest lady in prison.

And I'm a poem on the chest, Marcus Parks. It's not in a grab onto here. And we've got, I mean, I would say maybe a length. Yeah. And larson.

Yeah, I'm a solid bee. Yeah. Oh, a little bee. Do you have tits? I don't have the hair.

I got a big chest. You have a lot, you have a wide chest. I have a manly chest. I feel like we have the same size chest. Yes.

Except my tits are small. I just got my mother's breasts. Yeah. I'm shaped like an Italian sex pot. Yeah.

That was the joke I have for you in my roast. Is that, you know, everyone says that Ed Larsen's fat. But I think he's more barrel-chested. But unfortunately, that barrel is filled with disgusting fat. Yeah.

That's when you were a good joke. Thank you. Thank you very much. And today, we actually have Ed Larsen. We have Ed Larsen at the helm.

I've just did the Gary Ridgeway series. We did a three-parter. Some hand in the rain's over to Ed Larsen today. Oh, boy. You know, that's like about a bunch of yokes today.

When I call you Ed Larsen, it really makes you sound like a criminal. He is. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

We don't have any Larsen. Well, you know, there might be a couple of confessions today. All right. So let's get into some... God damn it.

What are you going to do? I don't even want to. It's hard. Yeah. It's hard.

It's funny because like that is exactly why I picked the topic. I thought it would be fun. Women in chains. You know, behind bars. You know, yeah.

Exactly. It's like, to go. That's fun. It's silly. And then turns out when you really look into it, it's super sad.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just got that. What's the reform school girls?

Maybe with Wendy O'Williams. Because when he's named after our dog, we named her after Wendy O'Williams. And so I started watching that. I don't know if that movie really has a lot to do with what we're going to talk about today.

Because that involved a lot of wet women beating each other less. Spanking a lot of like gripping and then it was like a big man. Because he ain't got it together. Girls. And then they'd go like, "You got Mr. Walden."

You know, if you really examine it, it's really not that far off. It's just not fun. You can't get your phone. Yeah. I wonder, are there any particularly fun prison movies?

I mean, back in the day there. Joe Hassrock. Joe Hassrock. Okay. Is that a jail movie?

Yeah. And I think it's just a music video. Oh, is it? I think it is. Oh, well.

And then that might be a full movie. I don't know. I refused to watch Elvis on film. What a weird stance to have. It sucks.

You're missing out on clam bags. I love a clam bag. But I do it myself. That's because I'm from Florida. Speaking of a clam bag.

“That's what happens when the ladies are in prison.”

Down and Florida. They don't have air conditioning. Great segue. Thank you.

So basically, when I was trying to come up with my next episode

for last podcast and I left the uncle years. I didn't want to jump into another animal episode just yet.

I stated that one of the most terrifying things to me is being ripped apart by animals. Yeah. And for me, it's not being seen. Yeah. I know.

We're someone talking over you. Yeah.

“But for a single fucking thought, just staying in your head.”

I don't have any other job. People do love you for it. The only thing I do. But the truth of the matter is, if you're going to die before your time getting ripped apart by gators or stomp to death by an elephant,

it's a pretty righteous way to say goodbye to earth. It may not be as red as your wingsuit not open in during a base jump or being consumed by lava while banging a reindeer or in a hail of bullets at a clan rally. But getting ripped apart by animals can be a fun way to go.

And if you got children, they'll never pay for another drink for the rest of their lives.

Think about your kids. Yeah, that's all Billy Jensen, father was ripped apart by raccoons back in 84. Tell us about it, Billy. First, you got it. Show 'em to me.

I really wanted to put together something extra scary for you all this episode. So I stretched by brain to combine what is the most pure, primal fear that swims around the hellsup that is my mind. And something I've learned since joining the show that now fills me with dread. Larger's fear.

That's simple. Go into prison. Yeah. Yeah, it's I dream about all the time. It's fucking nightmare.

It's the worst.

“Then the biggest fear since I was a child.”

Yeah. I have a recurring dream where I go to prison for a crime. I didn't commit.

And I have to deal with it.

I mean, you're going. Yeah, I believe me. No, I believe me. There's no faith worse than rotten in a place where laughter is met with violence. It's all made as just as scary as the guard put there to keep you safe from them.

Prison is a place where you go to be forgotten. A place far away from society, a place made to destroy you mentally and physically. Rehab seems to be an afterthought these days. Recidivism in America is still at 50% eight years out. It got better.

But it's still pretty bad. Yeah. I mean, you weren't around for the Carl Panzeram years. When we talked about how bad American prisons used to be, they're still fucking horrible. Like, don't get me wrong.

But when you go back and look at what like the things that Panzeram went through with those men went through in like 11 worse back in the day. It was damn near that the goal was to kill them before they were released. Yeah. You were rewarded for treating them back.

But with Carl Panzeram, all of the tortures just made him physically stronger.

Yeah. And then he took it out on the world. Yes. Strong enough where he almost killed President Taft. Really?

Yeah. Was he the guy you tried to shoot him? Yeah, bro. He broke into his house just for fun. Oh, really?

Yeah. See, the best way to kill Taft? He tickled him a bunch. He got a heart attack. Yeah.

He's still a little upset. You're boy, you're boy. What the fuck are you doing? Come on. Somebody called Patty.

You're so familiar. Somebody called Patty. Somebody called Patty. Yeah, I had an extremely small taste of jail life. I personally spent seven nights in jail and three separate trips all in the Florida Panhandle.

Now, in the grand scheme of things, that ain't shit. But it was more than enough to make me terrified of returning. But it also helped me develop an advanced level of empathy for the people inside. Now, fortunately, other than depression and getting probation that tested me for weed twice a week for a year, nothing bad really happened to me.

I did have a comical interaction with an intake officer when he was checking my asshole for contraband. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rooquick.

This is our comics release section. Yeah. So any, I understand you. You've been prison. I'm out.

You've been jail. You've been jail. Why am I telling that story? It's what? Thanks, Byron.

He told me to strip down there. He could bend over, spread my cheeks and cough. But being new to jail life, I was incredibly nervous. And thought he said, stripped down naked, bend over, spread your cheeks and talk. So there it was.

“My asshole aimed at the cops lying to side asking him, "How's day was?”

I told him what I had for breakfast." Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That was the opportunity. Yeah. Well, yeah.

If I can audition for the singing asshole part and pink for me, go ahead. Do you have any bonaka? You have no bonaka. That's the time to quote him. It's been a while.

I mean, it was redundant because from that angle, he clearly could have seen what I had for breakfast. He parked at me cough. I said, "Coff don't talk cough." Then I retained my right to stay silent, except for a couple of little cops. And no cocaine fell out my touchy, and I was allowed to join the other incarcerated people that night.

Yes. You are. I mean, you say 7 a.m. a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.

“But in this room, I think you have everyone beat by 7.”

Yeah. I'd never been caught. No, you have it. I was living with Henry when I went to jail. Yeah, and I drove him back and forth. Yeah, it's nice.

Yeah, and I've never been arrested, but I have been detained many a time.

That's different. Yeah, because people just like to hold you. Well, you know, there was a cop back in my hometown of the one. And, you know, he was easy on the kids. But he knew he'd just scare him.

Yeah. And you're easy on the ice. That I am. I don't need to be back in this car. Yeah.

So I like to think of my fears as somewhat rational. For instance, I'm not scared of flying because I know the Delta would never let me die, because they didn't want to pay out Julie. And plus, how often do commercial airliners fall out of the sky?

“A little too often, if you listen to the pain in the Everglades episode.”

But I am pretty scared of cars. Mostly because people die in cars all the time. In fact, the accidents are the number three cause of death in America. In the US, driving your cars are rational fears, especially when old stock cars of rousekies drive it.

I'm very safe when you're in the car. You only became safe with me in the car after I requested you to be safer. Yeah, because I had a drive slower than the speed limit. Actually, it wasn't safe. It was just making me ill.

Yeah, you guys didn't like it. So over the last couple of years, the thing I realized that is the most common denominator in absolutely horrific deaths mentioned on last podcast and a left, is that they are unfortunately, usually women. Roughly 92% of women murdered are by men they knew.

And 62% of all women murdered are done in by a man who they were in a relationship with, or closely related to. Fucking scariest numbers. I recently reconnected with a social worker friend of mine to ask about these facts and they confirmed their truth. They went on to explain to me that the most dangerous moment for a woman

in a domestic violence situation is the moment she tries to leave. And that multiple times when she met women in prison for murdering their abuser,

they'll say even though they're in prison, they finally feel free.

So all this information brought me around to the conclusion that the scariest thing to me is to be a woman in prison. And we'll just toss Florida in there to stay on brand. You see that helps. You do have to narrow it down.

Yeah, because there's a lot of women in prison amongst these many 50 states. Oh my God. It's, yeah, it's a nightmare. Suddenly, I was brought back to this craziest story that came out of Tallahassee shortly after I graduated from drug court, A.K.A.

Probation, right before I moved up to New York to lose money, doing comedy with Henry for many years. Don't forget doing podcast, Marcus. Yes, I want a lot of money doing that too. We didn't have dues.

[laughter] He's literally paid to be a murderer. We did. We had a demerit system that did not hold water.

And I'll always remember the time that we had an intervention for one of our members

and showed up with a case of beer. And we're like, what are you doing? He's like, not an intervention for me. You're right. You know what?

And it was like a whole thing. We're like, yeah. [laughter] June 21st, 2006, Federal Correction Institute in Tallahassee. There was a shootout at the women's prison,

which left one guard in one FBI agent dead. No inmates were involved and said shootout. Juicy shit, right? Yeah. I thought this would be such a fun story to tell when I took over the next episode.

“But the truth is, even though it seems like a case”

that multiple books should have been written about, there really isn't more info than just a couple of articles. Why? So I picked our research and junkyard dog, Rachel Burke on it, to see what she came back with.

And well, this just lifted the lid on the amount of corruption abuse and murder that happens within the women's side of prisons in Florida. Turns out, not as radical as some of the documentaries those boys have watched in the past. Yeah, I mean, I've seen a couple of them.

Girl in the big house. Ladies in the long house. Ladies in the shower in the big house. I've seen a lot of different things. We've all seen caseteats one through four.

I rest me, I'm not home. Now, this subject is thicker than me in yoga pants. So I'll only scratch the surface while covering it today. I'm going to concentrate on two female prisons in Florida to talk about this issue.

That is the aforementioned FCI Tallahassee and Low Correctional Facility Nero Calla. FCI Tallahassee opened in 1938 and was converted to house female

until the feds uncovered in a labored sex for contraband scheme

that involves six correction officers and incarcerated women there within. This didn't come out of nowhere.

“The feds conducted an eight-month undercover operation”

and cooperation with the DOJ. Turns out the feds used to do other stuff and just get drunk with the hockey team at the Olympics. Yeah, yeah. One of these days they'll get back to the job.

Honestly, though, maybe it's nice. They're not working so hard right now. We can get away with a lot more stuff. That's the thing that the crime rate has been falling over the last few years over the last 20 years or so.

Maybe it's time to give the criminals a chance to catch back up. Yeah. You're right. There's fair here in America.

They found from O3 to O5 that five guards were to be indicted

on charges of sexual contact with female prisoners with 10 different incarcerated women. Their names were Ralph Hill, Alfred Barnes, Gregory Dixon, Alan Moore, and E. Levant Spence. A six-guard Vincent Johnson was accused of trying to cover up

the crimes of his coworkers with threats and coercion. So he wasn't even involved in it. He was just the cover man? Yes, apparently. You know, like I said, there's very little real reporting on this.

They wanted to sweep this under the rug as quickly as fucking possible. I would imagine. Yeah, because it's all like essentially private prisons, too. No. No, this is a federal prison.

It's why they definitely want to cover it. Yeah. Now, before we get any further, I want to clarify that any sexual contact between a guard and an incarcerated person is rape, full stop. They don't have consent.

They legally don't have consent.

They're unable to consent to sex with a guard because a guard holds extreme power over them. Guards control their housing, discipline, privileges, contraband exposure, and access to family. That's even before we get to the fact that they're at work.

And if a McDonald's manager is going to be held accountable for having sex with an employee in the stock room, then show should a fucking prison guard, especially since they're literally locking up the person they're having sex with every night and quick side bar to McDonald's by adding those self-ordering machines.

All you're doing is giving your employees extra time to fuck the stock room. Just hate. It's also another thing to jerk off on. As a customer.

That's a customer. Another thing to wipe down for the employee. Yeah. So in this 13 page indictment, 40 separate crimes were listed in 70 such occurrences.

During this period, the guards strategically swaps ships covered for one another. Pass messages and obtain cash to facilitate their sexual escapades with female prisoners. For the incarcerated women, the criminal guards brought in weed,

cash, booze, and personal messages from family. The guards would then extort the women's families for up to $600 a pop, which is a lot of money in Tallahassee. It is. Yes, especially back then.

Just before 8 a.m. on June 21st, 2006 federal agents entered the facility to arrest the six guards as they came off their night shifts. This was supposed to be a low risk arrest, being that it was taking place at the prison as they got off work. Why do these guys do this?

Why wait till after the work day is done? These guys are not the way. That's not a way to arrest somebody. Get them in the beginning of the day. Get them at the top of the day.

Now, you want to get it to work out of them. I just don't want to see it.

“Well, I think at the end of the day is that all you're thinking about”

is going home and you're tired and you're not really thinking straight. See, that's when I'd fight the hardest. If you got me on my way to work, I'd be like, "Yeah, you know what? I'll go to jail." You know what? I get to go to work.

Fine. You haven't spent the last two hours just fucking dreaming about going home and having fun on the couch. Yeah. Plants and fucking outenering or some BG3.

But there's something you know super well. It's jail. Right, yeah. The Bureau of Prison's the BOP has a rule that even officers can't bring weapons inside prison facilities.

So it would be safe to arrest them as they left work. The hitch being that FCI Tallahassee had very loose rules for checking the cops when they arrived at work. Hence all the weed and booze, they were able to sneak in for the women victimized by their scheme.

Officer Ralph Hill must have had his personal gun with them every day. He went to work because the FBI specifically kept this arrest a secret because they were trying to avoid this exact disaster. For what I can tell, the actual gunfight was quick. Maybe even less than a minute.

Sometimes that's all it takes.

“One minute your gun goes off and your life is changed forever.”

This section of the podcast is presented by Trojan. [laughter] And for those of you who aren't American, your personal gun is not your professional gun. It's not your work gun.

That's your business casual gun. I have my business casual gun, I have my cocktail gun. And then, honestly, I have my brunch gun. I do like the gun you guys issued me by the way.

Hey, don't wait. After 10 years, you're going to get your anniversary gun. Oh, the Pearl handle. We are in a culture war after all. And don't forget to pack your formal gun for the ceremony.

The person who is just so you know,

“because that's why I have the gun for the person who correct me.”

Me about the weather worry about what we're two, I'm going to use it to shoot you in the face. [laughter] So, as Hill was exiting the building, he saw the federal agents gathering outside to arrest him and his cohorts. And without thinking too much about it,

he opened the lobby door and opened fire. He shot two Bureau of Prison employees and his suicide by better cops in area. He shot an unnamed BOP Lieutenant and Special Agent William Sentner.

Sentner was able to return fire killing Hill in the prison courtyard. Special Agent William Sentner later died of his wounds at the hospital. He was posthumously given the Medal of Valor by a former president more criminal, George W. Bush. The other five correction officers gave up without a fight.

Okay, that's why you always bring your personal gun.

Yes, that's why a lot of times you got to keep the little snub, known in your sock as well. Yeah, those other five guys brought their personal guns. Maybe they would have stood a chance. Makes me sad.

That's what I'm saying. One guy remembered to bring his gun that day. See, this is also an example of these guys had already become criminals. Yeah, so they were criminals. So, it did matter.

They were criminals amongst criminals. And the entire organization, aided and embedded it. And I just think it's interesting that the FBI kind of waltz and they're like it was going to be some easy thing

not understanding was the inmates running the asylum. Yeah, one of the things I kept hearing and seeing when I was doing research for this episode was that there's two types of criminals inside jail. And that is the criminals that are there for that got arrested

and the ones that are guarding them. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, prison guard is a very sticky job in America.

It's really don't know what you're going to get. It's a hard, because it's horrific. Yeah, it's a horrific job. It's also underpaid. It's all as any horrific job is.

And it's like, I know the retirements, like, early. It's like a 15 year period. Yeah.

“Like, it's like one of the lowest amount of works you have to retire.”

If you can work and then retire and get a pension on from what I understand. Yeah. But pension is so valuable if you want to try to retire. Especially if you like a soldier and have PTSD.

That's where my dad did. My mom still taken my dad's pension. It's a whole thing. But it came. That's the reason why they do these things.

Because they're all trying to make money while they're in there. They're going to maximize the time that they're spending in a dangerous place by they believe I think in some way.

There's almost this idea that I'm creating an economy amongst us.

And almost creates like an order because it's like another type of order in a way. But I also think that they're all just criminals. Well, I mean, I can turn a good man. Hard. Yeah.

My, one of my closest friends is dad suddenly decided when growing up, my closest friend growing up is dad decided to be a prison guard. And he did that like four days on three days off thing. Yeah. And when he came back, he used to, he was a quiet guy.

But he was still kind of jovial. And after he started being a prison guard, he's just, just nothing. It was like he just turned off. Yeah.

“Because I'm prison everybody scanning you for vulnerabilities.”

Yeah. Yeah. My uncle will tell me, yeah. We like would see this like multiple people eat their own shit. You know.

It's like, yeah. Yeah. It's weird in there. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Like this, no one ever talks about the prison is just fucking weird. Yeah. Man alone make a lot of weird decisions together. Yeah.

So Ralph Hill. He kind of screwed the pooch for the other cops with the sense of it. And after he went down in a hill of bullets, that pretty much solidified the other guards fade as guilty. Uh, the sentences rolled out to these criminals with badges were varied,

but not that stiff. Alfred Barnes, Gregory Dixon and Alan Moore got one year in prison three years probation. And a couple thousand dollar fine. Elon Spence got one year house arrest, mostly because he suffered a stroke after his arrest.

And Vincent Johnson, the guard that tried to silence and abuse women, he just got probation. Um, one former resident of FCI Tallahassee, Ashley Turner, uh, said that the scheme had been going on longer than two years, and involved three times as many guards as the amount represented. So of course, because there's so many guys that are trying to keep it copicetic.

Because it's like, yeah, I'm certain. Again, it's complicated. It's fucking wildly complicated. Yeah. I can't imagine, I mean, I'm, this is just wild speculation here,

but just know what I know about humans. I would imagine that even with amongst the prison guards, they're probably crews. Like, yeah, amongst the prison guards. Like, this was one crew very much.

So we're going to get into that kind of a little bit later. I will say that after this, things at FCI Tallahassee got a lot better. And conditions at the prison improved to the point where there are a new model prison for the rest of America.

Wow. Fantastic. Incredible. That was a joke. Oh, no.

You couldn't tell. Wow.

Anytunes.com.

I should say it in fake things.

It's not a joke. This is the lie. I used to be a professional joke writer kind of like how used to be an actor. Oh, that's great.

Well, all of Garrison killer level humor aside. It's still awful there. You see, they only started reporting complaints in 2002. And from 2012 to now, there have been 130 complaints alleging staff on Prisoner Abuse.

And a few of those official complaints were actually filed by female guards against their male co-workers. This is amongst one of the highest rates of abuse in federal prison's nationwide. So FCI Tallahassee is not somewhere you want to find yourself.

No. That didn't stop people recently from calling FCI Tallahassee a club that was in the head. Especially when an old enemy of the show Kislay Maxwell was being held there. She's still an enemy of the show.

When misguz was there, people were focused on the old on the more progressive programs at the prison, like yoga and music classes, as well as cosmetology and bacon programs. You know, basic things prisons should do to properly rehabilitate inmates.

Yeah. They might not, they might get out of jail. They might need skills. So when Maxwell was in prison there, there was a constant flurry of paparazzi in the parking lot of FCI Tallahassee.

She was the whole place was in the public spotlight. Oddly enough, probably improving conditions inside there for a brief period. Things were for sure safer for Kislayne, more than other incarcerated women because of her high profile by leaving the prison.

Kislayne did what she does best, putting women in danger. Kislayne has since moved to a place simply called federal prison camp Brian and Brian Texas. She was, yeah, she was station. Yeah.

Exactly. She was moved there by our pedophile president. Wish her well or something like that. I can't remember. Well, you was trying to get her help.

And then he, she said no, and he still gave her stuff. Yeah. It's even better. He's so good at stuff. It's a good guy.

Yeah. He's such good at the job. Yeah. And good to women. Yeah.

Yeah. A lot of respect for him. Great at work. So this place in Brian is much more of a club fed.

“Not that I think that's a bad thing, by the way.”

No. And Kislayne even said so herself in email. She sent out claiming that her conditions vastly improved. Even recounting an FCI teleassy story where a possum felt through the roof of the kitchen and onto the oven thus mingling with the food being served that day.

Now that's real teleassy cooking right there. I tell you what. I tell you truth. I really think that they could treat what color criminals worse. I actually don't think we should have club bets.

I think that we should be harder on him. I think that this is kind of the problem with it is that it's such a, they go, they think about this. I'm thinking about the about fucking, uh, uh, Mr. Murdoch. Alex Murdoch.

He's a sit in fucking Kushech jail. Even though he's killed his whole fucking family and he gets a sit in Kushech jail. Now he does. Yes. He's in 40 year old Kushech jail.

40 years of Kushech fucking club fed shit. And I think that that's, fuck them. They should be Bernie made off should be in a hardcore supermax prison. That's where he should have been. Fuck him.

Yeah. I know. I mean, I just don't feel like any prison should be that way.

“I think you should actually try and rehabilitate the people.”

Yeah. I really like prison should exist. But I, but I'm saying in terms of I, I mean, some people have to be punished though. Yeah.

It's going to have to be prisons at some point. I, I just feel like I, what are we doing here? The white collar criminals are learning nothing. Yeah. So the, everybody else.

Yeah. They're in bad prisons. And there are, oh, they're born poor. And their lives were fucked. And they're doing all this shit.

And then all the gigats to go to another level of prison, too. Fuck them.

I always live by like the thought of.

And I know that humans and dogs are separate. But like, you know, hitting a bad dog doesn't make it a better dog. If we're going to have them put them in there. If we're not going to have them for anybody. That's a different story.

That's my view. I'm for anybody than great. But if we're having them put those guys in them, too. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I absolutely cannot argue with you. You spoke in like a man who pays the taxes. Yeah.

You forgot a torture people. Let's torture the right one. Yeah. That's what a man would do. They all need it.

“I remember one day, me and my buddy were drinking real hard in New York.”

And he was, you know, awful. And he was going around trying to kick cars and stuff like that. And there was like a shitty little Mazda. And I stopped him. I was like, hey, man, if you're going to kick a car, kick a Mercedes.

Yeah. Yeah. That's just some guy that's trying to get five. Yeah. He's like suck.

Yeah. So fuck his life up.

So oddly enough, I have a weird personal connection here where I can second

just lane statement. You see, I said earlier, I spent a couple of days in car's red and Leon County jail and tell her I have to see. It was got awful. The food there was so bad that I would have welcomed a possum burger.

You see the cheese? It backed a little bit.

“But it was still super strong, you know?”

And no matter how hard any of us tried, it would not melt.

We even put a slice in the dryer for an hour and pulled it out intact. That was, that was how fucking gross this shit was. It's the real food. Yeah, it's going to chemicals and preservatives. Yeah, you know, that dog food has higher state nutritional value.

Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Then about a decade later, I actually did a comedy show in Brian County jail. That place was run pretty well, which I'm sure is why they let us in with a camera crew. Brian County Texas is actually home to one of the most progressive sheriffs and former American jail association president Wayne Dickie.

Sheriff Dickie ran a pretty tight ship over there. And one day when we were shooting, he said something that really stuck with me. I'm paraphrasing, of course. But he said he wanted his jail to be a place of true rehabilitation because most of the people behind bars would be getting out one day and they would again be his neighbors. And he wanted to live next to good people.

Not about sentiment, especially in Texas. Yeah, because Texas hated their neighbors. Oh, that says hate neighbors. That, that's a basic. Just Mexico, Oklahoma, New Mexico, New Mexico.

And then we see one of their own cities and everything. Everything around touching their borders. No, as it as a Texan, that statement rings true. I have heard people have that sort of sentiment. But I will also say that's an old sentiment.

There's not a lot of people in Texas who think like that anymore. And well, there's a reason that this particular part of Texas is shown in the national spotlight.

“Yeah, so do you hear that life is better for Kis Lane once she moved to Brian Texas?”

Makes a lot of sense to me personally. Sure. In college station, like it's a college town. Yeah, it's called college station. That's Brian Texas is right.

I mean, it's attached to college stations. Yeah, it's Texas A&M, one of the biggest schools. And one of the biggest state schools in the entire state. So, and it's a very, it's a very nice part of Texas. Yeah, I was very surprised when I was down there.

I like a much I liked everyone. Texas can be beautiful.

Yeah, incredible German food down there.

Really? Yeah. I just had the ribs. So since 2006, ten officers at FCI Tallahassee have been invited on cases of sexual abuse, corruption, and abuse of prisoners. Eleven, if you count a dirty dentist who worked there.

Oh, a dirty dentist. Yeah. Other than the five made famous by the shootout, the other's names are Coralis Renew, Philip Golitey, Jimmy Lee Heismith, Lenton Jerome Hatten, Caratons Keenan, and prison dentist, got freed unaga.

I think. Oh, no, no, no. I say their names because fuck these motherfuckers.

“Can I, can I tell you how they're all sitting Texas?”

Sure. Yeah, that's Coralis ran you. Yeah. Philip Golitey, Jimmy Lee Heismith, Lenton Jerome Hatten, Caron Trays Keenan, and Gottfried O'Neugah. O'Neugah.

O'Neugah. O'Neugah. Remember every middle syllable in a Texas word is three syllables. Yeah. Every vowel is included in every word no matter what.

Yeah.

Um, the emphasis is always put on the wrong, uh, par like, for example, the,

Jimmy Lee Heismith. Jimmy Lee Heismith. Jimmy Lee Heismith. Uh, for example, the next town over from me was a town that, if you look just looked at the name, you think it's like, oh, that's the town called O'Brien.

Yeah. No, it's O'Brien. What's like, man, man, man. Jimmy Heismith is a particularly atrocious, shit bastard of a man. He had a string of civil suits placed against him from 2010 to 2021 with multiple women

he raped having to be rushed to the emergency room. He was caught in the act by another guard, and one of the victims that reported him was thrown in solitary confinement for her own protection. Heismith being the total psycho path that he is then requested to work the isolation unit where she was being held and hopes to intimidate her into dropping the charges.

Eventually, he was suspended for 10 days and then moved to a different federal prison and Mississippi called FCC Yazoo City. He was then given a promotion, an admin job. Part of his new cushy job there was ensuring that complaints and grievances filed by staff and inmates against guards were thoroughly investigated.

against inmates.

“Each count held a maximum sentence of 15 years.”

In the end, he was only convicted on one count because the evidence was so overwhelming. They couldn't sweep it under the rug. They had prisoner complaints, guard witnesses, and video footage. He was given 48 months and should be getting really soon. Please do not confuse him with smooth jazz saxophone as Jimmy Heismith Jr.

who is doing everything he can with his grovelishous sax riffs to make consensual sex all that much more enjoyable for all of us. Was that his dad? No, no, no, no. No, no, no.

There's never been a saxophonist in history that's done a single crime.

No, they don't do crime. You can't do crime. You can't do crime. No, no, no, no, no. Especially jazz saxophone.

Yes, you guys don't do crime. Don't look into it. You're going to keep this. You're going to keep this. You're going to keep this.

There's a sound look at it. Coming up next week, our three-part series and the crimes of boots Randall. Oh, God, I can't even break it.

“Can't even imagine if you go back to the blues guys.”

No, no, no. The horrible story behind Yackety Sachs. Oh, my God. I wish. The blood spiddled around Yackety Sachs.

All right, so how are you all doing?

You need a break? I'm good. All right, great. Rewards get ready to start diving into low correctional institution. I promise to end this episode with a funish story.

In my next episode, we'll be far so near. It's gotta be. I promise. I didn't mean for this to happen. It's just what happened.

My next one's going to be awful. Yes, it's great. Mine is awesome. Mine's going to be silly. You're going to see mine.

Yeah, silly, but it's got a lot of depth. Thank you for doing that. You're welcome. So as we learn, mine's a tragedy that killed the soul of America. Yeah.

What are you talking about?

Janet Jackson. Wardrobe malfunction. Yeah, that's right. We're coming up the six episodes series about the Janet Jackson. Wardrobe malfunction.

I changed us all. I'm in sync with that thing. See, as we learned when I talked about alligator pelican in my last episode, sometimes the location of a prison can be a form of punishment. Many refederal prisons are built in the middle of nowhere because big cities

or high income areas aren't too keen on having a federal prison in their neighborhood. Low prison is in between Ocala and Gainesville.

“Henry, how would you describe that part of Florida?”

I say it's a place it needs a neutron bomb. I think it needs to be a neutron bomb. It needs to be structures good. Oh, those need to get rid of the piece. Everything can be salvaged, business, and building-wise.

And infrastructure-wise, we can really get into that. I think that's fine. We don't need to rebuild the highways. But we do need to get rid of all the people. For me, I just, I hear Gainesville and just the word Ripper.

Immediately attached to it. Gainesville's like a little liberal spot in the whole state. It's really right outside of it. It's like, because Ocala, you've all heard me talk about how bad Ocala is. It's pretty fucking off.

Ocala's one of the dead places of the soul of America. There's certain places in this country of ours that are not Asheville, wonderful. There's certain other places that you go and you're just like, "Oh, wow, this is the dusty corner where all of our lives and degradation lives." Yeah, like Ocala's Texas.

Ocala's one. Yeah. Ocala's not quite Lake City, but it's almost there. There. Now, this may be-

You don't even talk about Pooots of Gorda. Pooots of Gordas, where you go to get impregnated by your grandfather. And you know what they say about Niceville? It sucks. Yeah.

I gotta believe in you. We need that, sure. They need that, sure. Welcome to Niceville. It sucks.

Like it's great. Now, this may be a shocker to you, but there are way more poor people in prison than rich people. That's what I'm saying. Yes. Hypothetical.

Let's say your daughter got into a fight at the bar and got a heavy sentence for assault because women often receive stiffer sentences than men for the same crimes. And that statement is for sure true about black brown and indigenous women. Sounds like she just took the training well. I gave her my whole life.

Now let's say you're from Pensacola. And they decide to put your daughter at low correctional. That's a six-hour drive. And you're only allowed to visit for one hour. You can't just get back in your car and drive home after the visit.

That's assuming you have enough money to even own a car. So you have to get a hotel room. But you can't just go for one day because a trip like this can cost a lot of time and money. And you most likely can't get back there in a while and you got to go back to work.

A simple trip to visit your daughter in prison could end up costing you well over a thousand dollars. Yeah, it's all about the punishing people all around the whole system. It's punishing people that are poor, way harder than punishing people who are rich.

“You think get me fucking started on the phone calls call us?”

Oh yeah, it's crazy. Oh no, that's the American way as poverty is very expensive. Yeah. So low correctional institution holds most of Florida's female prisoners. With a population of almost 3,000 women, it is the largest women's prison in the United States.

Low correctional is a playground for predator guards. There are two few cameras. Alright, in the past decade, thanks to things like COVID, there have been staff shortages and mismanagement. COVID was an excuse for a lot of these fuckers to rip out everything and then they not put anything back. It's still six years later.

It's exactly right. The female prisoners have said the abuse has become intolerable. Think about that.

They basically said the abuse we used to get was manageable, but now we're totally fucked.

In 2020, the DOJ said that low was in direct violation of the eighth amendment and the civil rights of institutionalized persons act and gave them 49 days to get their act together or get shut down.

“Then Florida Secretary of Corrections mark inch, who was named after his cock, I believe.”

It's from the piece from a long family division. See, Mark denied the claims by the DOJ and way past that 49 day marker was asked if changes have been made to improve the prison and he simply said, no. That's it. And there it is. The only honest thing a prison employee will say in this episode.

Absolutely not. So Mark inch quick history stepped down after being director of prisons federally in 2017 after a house oversight and government reform committee was investigating the BOP. Corporal in face run the same this thought that was awesome and hired inch to be in charge of Florida's prisons. He retired after a year on the job. Mark inch was just another person incapable of cleaning up low and other Florida prisons.

Well, incapable because he didn't want to.

“And he didn't care and I'm sure I'm sure to send us just put him in because that happens a lot especially in modern times and it comes to government is they just put somebody in there that they know we'll do a bad job.”

Yeah, or they know just won't do the job and it's just a placeholder until you put another person in there and another person in there. And you know it's great about an under qualified person. They're super loyal. They'll do whatever you say because they need they they want the job they love the cloud they've been given a job they don't deserve to why we have cash retail right now.

It's the idea is they were given a job that they don't deserve and so now they desperately have to keep it because the second cash retail is not FBI director anymore.

We're all coming for him. Yeah, it's going to be investigated. Yeah, he's very much going to be investigating. Yeah, it's not the new goes you know, I mean even in our lifetime it goes back to Michael Brown had a FEMA fucked up Katrina so badly. Yeah, that ran horse shows before George W. Bush made him the head of our federal response to a president.

They're favors to buddies. Yeah, the favors. So this is all going to lead us to the suspicious death of incarcerated woman, Latandra Ellington. One of the main problems at low correctional is guards covering for each other and retaliation towards women who report abuse. Often women who filed a report of abuse usually find themselves in solitary confinement which is torture.

Yes. On September 21st, 2014, Latandra Ellington witness Sergeant Patrick Quircioli raping a fellow in May and reported it. Ten days later on October 1st, 2014, she was found dead in her cell. She was a 36 year old woman with only seven months from release. Quircioli or Sergeant Q as he's known around the prison began to threaten the Tondra if she didn't withdraw report.

Sergeant Q also had it out from the Tondra because this was the second time she had filed a report on him.

The first time was for making her sleep on the top bunk even though she had a medical pass to sleep on the bottom bunk because she had an injured back. The Tondra, not that her crime matters, was in prison for tax fraud and doing a 22 month stint. You know, about half as long as cereal rapes, Jimmy Heismiff got, she also suffered from hypertension and was on blood pressure medication. It has said that the only people who are guaranteed free healthcare in America are incarcerated people. That don't mean it's good healthcare.

Not to get off on too much of a tangent here, but prison healthcare is a disaster, mostly due to staffing. Not just from lack of medical staff, but from lack of adequate amount of prison guards. They're doing a good job of keeping Gary Ridgeway alive. It's like them and burning made-off also live for real fucking long time.

Some of them get good healthcare.

“Yeah, I think the ones that are fucking the big name ones get good healthcare.”

BTK still going strong. Yeah, dude. Really live in life. That's crazy. Not looking great.

No. He doesn't get as many peptides. Did he ever look great? Yeah. And do I have some photos to show you?

I fucking jerk off to the PTK bondage fund. Well, what you were right about earlier Henry is that being a prison guard in Florida is kind of like a last resort job. Basically, they get paid about $45,000 a year. And as Chris Rock put it so eloquently, you get what you pay for. Yeah. The turnover rate of medical staff and prisons is through the roof.

With lack of enough guards, medical workers are often attacked themselves. So no inmate can see a medical professional without two guards getting them and bringing them to said medical professional, which is rarely a doctor themselves.

But every medical procedural show in history always has that one episode.

Oh, yeah.

“Where it starts off and say, yeah, we got a patient coming in.”

He's a prisoner. It's always that it's always one person who scared of him. And then by the end of it, they're advocating for them. Yeah, because he said you learned. He's like, they was only so much I could do. He stole my mouse.

So he's just the most lovable prisoner you've ever met in your life. You have entered. I just brought to save them from robbing the pet stole and the man fell down. Or it's the new way to do it is the guy is like a kill the man when I'm 17. I'm 53 now.

I'm not gonna hold on. I can never. You think you could maybe go to my old high school and give me a piece of cake living from the cafeteria. Your whole life through the way.

For one mistake. Jennifer Lopez. Yeah, you're right. It's me no more. Jennifer Lopez.

And I've got to say the sad. I was with Jennifer Lopez. I wanted to get a better understanding of all this shit. So I hit up a name was buddy of mine who used to work in the medical field inside of corrections. They said, if you're sick, you put in a request to see a doctor.

And then it could be days or even weeks before you're seen. Many people die waiting for healthcare. If you get shanked and you're in a rural hospital, two guards have to go with you in an ambulance to the hospital. And sometimes because of the role locations of these prisons,

that may be a three hour ride to a hospital. Plus, then hospitals have been known to overcharge the prisons once they get there. Hospital's overcharge anybody that goes in.

“You think they're gonna fucking kind of draw the line at prisoners?”

Absolutely not. God, what's the federal government gets involved, man, they're taking it. It's federal or state government. Yeah. All right.

So let's say there's an extreme situation of a riot. And many people are injured and stabbed.

First, there's a total lockdown.

No one gets seen during that time. The hours later, they start to see patients, which is super cool when you have a puncture wound in your kidney. Now, also, I learned about something else. They called compassionate release.

Yeah, they did it for a what's your name? Well, they tried to from the men's and family. Oh, yes, there's an eye. Yeah, they were trying to get her out for a walk because she was going to die in a cancer. Yeah, you know, and, you know, if you're really sick,

they release you as you can go die at home. I was happy to hear this. I needed a brighter side. Yeah. Looking into all this shit.

Turns out compassionate release can be used as a weapon to kill somebody. You think don't want to actually treat or can't afford to treat. Oh, it's going to be expensive and a pain in the ass to give this person chemo. Let's release them. Then, once they're released, they're penny list with no health insurance.

It's illegal death sentence through poverty and neglect. I just thought it was a way to give this to just the molesters. Great. Like, if there's a way to do this to just the wood. This is what I've been saying even before. It's just like, I feel like drug charges.

That's the fucking, I can't even believe, like tax fraud. Fuck that, whatever all I kind of shit. But once we're in the fucking and sucking a kids. I feel like I feel like that's fine. Yeah.

I think I fucking right in the way. Just for them, for those guys. I thought about this for myself. If I thought, okay, if I were to be live in prison, I'm in my 60s, I get cancer.

And they say, either we can treat you with chemo and you can live another 10 years in prison or you can die at home within a few months. I choose to die at home within a few months. Of course. Yeah.

Also, like a chemo could be just a bit and also someone like prisons getting the good chemo. You're not getting the good stuff.

They're not putting up a video of Moana to calm you down. You're not doing that shit. Let's do it. You said it's true. It's the bad chemo.

I know how calming Moana gets you. (laughter) I said, "Stick in my chemo."

“It's been like, can we just take this home?”

What do you want chemo in my house? It's probably one step away from any freeze. (laughter) Back to Latandra, Elington. She was in close contact with her aunt, Algarine.

And her aunt recalls being petrified of Sergeant Q after the first report.

After the second report, she was under constant surveillance. Her outgoing male was red and no private phone calls. Someone would just stand over her while she made every call. Q was usually the person doing it, listening to every word that she was saying. Eventually, to let her aunt know what was happening to her,

she sent out letters to her under another incarcerated person's name. In the letters, she stated that she saw Q and officer Dustin Thrasher involved and abusing inmates, although they did not say exactly what she saw in those letters. Yeah, I'm doing more of a slashing thing. So it's been a thrashing thing.

A more of that a bashing. I do more bashing and slashing more than thrashing. It's Q and slashed and thrashed. It's officer Thrasher. Yeah, these were her current bad guys.

Officer Q officer Thrasher.

“In those letters, though, she detailed her fear of Q and mentioned that he threatened her.”

He was going beat me to death and mess me like a dog, she said.

All of my face grabbed his radio and threatened the bus me in the head with it was a direct quote. Another inmate reported that she saw Q tell Latandra that he would get rid of her if she didn't drop the report. Sergeant Barrand Bergner, who took the report from a crying and terrified Elington, said that he was confronted by Kirstie Oli and Thrasher and then said he would, they were going to take him out in the parking lot if you filed the report.

Turns out Berger took himself out to the parking lot to get in this car and drive away. Scared Chenless. Yeah, I'll be back. I promise. When when Berger got home, he realized that he forgot the binder the report was in on his desk.

He panicked. He called the prison and asked to fellow employee to look for it. They said they couldn't find it. Berger drove back to the prison in the middle of the night to look for it. It was mysteriously missing.

He was truly scared of Q and Thrasher, so he went on a stress leave. The next day.

A week later, he saw the Tondras picture in the news and he had a feeling he knew what happened.

So it's Q, Thrasher, and Berger. Berger.

“Yeah, this they are all these are all characters from sleepers.”

Berger is fine. Yeah. He's just a pussy. Yeah, he's just a pussy. He just didn't want to stick his neck out.

Yeah. A little bit about Patrick Kirstie Oli. Oh, Q is a steroid monster of a man covered in tats with a notorious temper. When he worked for Martin County Sheriff's Office, he got arrested for selling steroids back in 1994.

He also admitted to using the drug while employed. His file had a letter from a sergeant that said that Kirstie Oli had been repeatedly counseled and reprimanded ignored department policy manipulated the rules to benefit himself and showed no respect for supervisors or authority. The steroid charges were dropped after he agreed to complete an 18 month drug prevention program.

His law enforcement certification was suspended from 1994 to 1996 followed by a year of probation. I learned a lot in that little break. Yeah. You know, during that downtime, he was arrested again. Oh, I'm battery this time.

But that was research on prison. Yeah. It's about researching the prison system and what the prisoner goes through from intake through separation. Yeah.

He beat a motorist in a road rage incident in coral gables. So, man, tell me about it. Fucking god. God, I'm jealous. So, before the Department of Florida Department of Corrections re-hired him in 2004,

he said the steroids were fake and planted by a crazy ex-girlfriend. You know how they know what steroids are. Yeah. He said the road rage was self-defense. Of course.

And they were in desperate need of guards, so they hired him. Yeah. He said they were oil and water. Oh, sure. But they don't test for that, obviously.

Yeah, because that's usually how criminal convictions work is that if someone just writes steroids on a bottle and puts it in your back and puts it in your back, automatic convictions. Yeah. Because they don't test those.

They don't do that. Yeah. Especially when you admit to doing it. Yeah. So, on October 1st,

24. When the thundered didn't wake up, it appeared that she just died peacefully in her sleep. Her autopsy concluded that she died of natural causes.

And the Miami Herald did an amazing detail report on it.

“Here are some of the highlights of the weird happening surrounding the death of Miss Ellington.”

The Miami Herald were actually the ones who noticed something was wrong in her toxicology screening. That's great. That's great. I'm low-depeen and low-depeen and low-depeen and low-depeen.

A blood pressure medication. It was in her system. Eight times an normal amount. Also, her cell was not treated like a crime scene. There were no fingerprints taken.

No DNA samples. Nothing in the cell was processed. Officers and inmates who served Latanger Meals were not interviewed. Nor were in the hospital. The Latanger Meals were not interviewed.

Nor were inmate orderlies who worked in the area that morning. Latanger's cellmate, Jamie Shepherd, said, "Ellington questioned what drug she was being given the day before." And a nurse named Donna Weeks told her that they were, quote, "To it is." And something else.

Her cellmate said that Latantra woke up that morning. Eight breakfasts and went back to sleep at 9 a.m. She thought everything was fine until Latantra started snoring out of the usual with her fist tightly clenched.

“Latantra was pronounced dead at 11.20 a.m.”

She was 36 years old.

So they had hot shot at her, basically, with blood pressure medication.

It's what it sounds like to have her stop doing the report. Yeah. Even after all the evidence was found, Latantra Ellington's death was not investigated further. Curcioli, Thrashur, and everyone else involved

in the state legal action. Three months later, Curcioli and Thrashur were fired because they were unable to perform their duties. I did some digging to see what I could find out about old Patrick Curcioli was up to these days. And he was interviewed on a motorcycle lover's blog.

He loves his custom motorcycle that he rides while wearing his vintage German war helmet. That's what my father had to throw up. One helmet that was very ironic. But I'm guessing that he's not gunned.

He didn't have the pointer. He didn't have the point. That's kind of funny. That's going back to the Kaiser. I can see that.

But if it's a green vintage, it's a gold German. He's also in Facebook. Yeah. Where he thinks he's a photographer,

“but it just seems like he's really in the distorted filters and AI images.”

But my favorite fact about the new queue, the new and improved queue, is that he has multiple albums on Spotify where he cosplays as an indigenous seminal flute player. You know, I will say, at least it's art. You know what I mean?

It's raced. It's raced. Changing. But at least he's playing the flute. And we know it's him.

Yeah. So he knows. I feel like I like triple check. It's definitely him. Better at least he's embraced art.

You know what I mean? That's a motorcycle's in flute. You know, besides the racial parts of it, at least that's something nice. I mean, if we are talking about rehabilitation

and turning the lives of it, maybe he did find some sort of solace, find some sort of piece. Be out of that. Be out of murdering inmates.

Yeah.

But he was never actually punished.

Yes. I mean, he might even try it. Punishments enough. He lives in Okala. All right, I promise you all a funnier story

from low correctional facilities. So here it is. It's the story of Marie Dean Arlington. I really like this story. Yeah.

Me and Marie was her nickname. No. And she was a bad mama bitch. She got that fun nickname because before she turned 40, she had been charged with over 60 crimes.

She'd been found guilty of manslaughter and murder on two different victims, four years apart. She'd been sentenced to death, making her one of the only women in the country on death row. Yeah. She then escaped from death row and began a three year long run from the law,

where she would earn the distinction of being the only the second women in history to make the FBI's 10 most wanted list. And again, she accomplished all this before the age of 40. What have you done with your life? I'm just a doctor.

I'm just a lawyer doctor. That it does court during the day and surgery is at night. Who is the first? Was it Bonnie Parker? I have no idea.

I would, well, because that's when you said it was the second. I figured it was one, it could have been Bonnie Parker, Ma Barker, or Carolyn Fuget. It's the 60s. So whoever was before that.

All three of those women were before that. Who was the other one that detects a spongey? That's a, you're taking a Karla Faito. Yeah, that's what I'm taking. That's not until the 80s, late 80s, early 90s.

But she was on death row as well. So Marie. I know. You don't feel late. You didn't feel late either.

Marie was born in Leesburg, Florida, 1933.

I did a movie in Leesburg.

I was one of the worst cities in the whole country. Oh, yep. Did you play a young black woman? Yes.

“And honestly, I thought they'd like that more.”

I thought that they appreciate the black face. But it seemed really, it's hard with the makeup because of the heat. And humidity just kind of fell right off me. There's very little publicly available information about our childhood, except for that. She dropped out of school in the sixth grade, which is pretty damn good for Leesburg even these days.

Pretty certain that, yeah, that the mayor didn't even graduated from elementary school. You was raised independently by just an entire church. But Marie spent her 20s getting into a lot of trouble. Forgery, assault, larceny, robbery, passing bad checks.

Whatever she could do to make a buck to support her family.

The timelines a little unclear, but Marie definitely had children from her previous relationship. And would later say in an interview that she would do anything for her kids anything, but murder. Cape that in mind. It's very important. And the business we called this foreshadowing.

When she was 23, Marie was working as a maid in a motel, making 75 cents an hour. One day while scrubbing the floors, Marie had an epiphany. She realized she could make more money simply by robbing the motel. And it's all this money that I'm not getting. She robbed her boss and then staged a scene to make it look like she'd also been a victim.

Tiner self to a chair. It was the perfect crime, except for the fact that Marie had been changed smoking the entire time. She was waiting for the cops to show up. And when they questioned her how she could smoke all these cigarettes with her hands tied up, she realized her master plan had been foiled and she confessed.

Now look, I should mention here that in order to fully enjoy the Marine Dean airing to an experiment,

you're going to have to suspend your disbelief a little bit. A lot of the info on Marie comes from Marie herself given in jailhouse interviews. And if Marie's criminal history tells us one thing, is that she's a habitual liar who cannot be trusted.

“So if you're going to sit there and ask, well, how could she tie both of her hands to the chair?”

How'd the cops know they were her cigarettes? I can't help you. All of these anecdotes could be bullshit because they're coming from a Tory's bullshiter. I think that's kind of fun. It's even better. It's a window into the mind of this person and what they think other people will believe. Yeah.

So some parts of the story not up for debate though, like the murder of Jack Harrington. In 1964, Jack was living the good life down in South Florida. He was a former police officer, turned Miami, nightclub bouncer, and he trained boxers on the side. You know, classic gentlemen, classic South Florida gentlemen. Absolutely. It's a good job. Probably trained with Jake Lamada, who knows.

He also had a highly toxic marriage with Marie, who was fully in the midst of her brat summer. Earlier that year, she had been charged with larceny and vehicle theft. And she might have had her sights set on something bigger. According to one of the boxers, Jack trained Marie told him that she was going to kill Jack. Ladies, always tell you.

I'm going to kill that. I'm going to kill him. I'm going to kill you. They tell you before they do it. But a month later, she did.

I'm a fourth of July.

“1964, Marie and Jack went to Bethune Beach.”

It was supposed to be a day of the three F's. Thund fireworks and frank furters. But a turn tragic when Marie added in a fourth F fucking murder. Yeah. Marie and Jack got into an argument in the car and turned physical.

I witnessed Nathaniel Powers testify that he approached the car to break them up when he saw Jack choke in her. The timeline of what happens next doesn't make total sense. But again, you can't let the truth get in a way of a good story. As it goes, Nathaniel Powers got shot in a leg. No idea who fired that shot or why.

Also, Jack Arlington got shot. The shooter on that one, not up for debate. It was Marie. As for the motive, her lawyer claimed self defense. Marie claimed it was an accident.

Take a pic. Can't think Marie might be immortal. At the time, she should have just went with self defense. Yeah. Yeah, because Nathaniel Powers said, "You saw Jack choking her."

Yeah. Yeah. She's just too honest. At the time, she was shot. Jack wasn't dead yet.

But he was on his way. Marie left him there bleeding out and took off to her mother's home in Leesburg. The next day, she turned herself into police, confessed to killing Jack. Wait, it don't. No.

Marie was charged with manslaughter. The states didn't pursue murder charges because they couldn't locate the weapon.

And it'd been buried alongside of them.

That's incredible. That's incredible. That's incredible. That's incredible. The trial didn't last long.

Despite Marie's testimony that Jack had hit her and the account of Nathaniel Powers, that Jack had been choking her, the claims of self defense fell on deaf ears. The jury deliberated for 37 minutes, which I assume consisted of a half hour lunch break. The six-minute recap of how good the lunch was. And then one minute for them all agreed that Marie was guilty.

She was sentenced to 20 years in prison. Marie was going to spend two decades in the slamer and there was no way out. Unless, of course, she could come up with $500. What? Yes.

Marie appealed the conviction. And while the year's long appeals process was in motion, the judge decided to let her out on an Appalach bond for a cool 500 bucks. That's awesome.

“Yeah, remember when I mentioned the cartoonish and Neptune earlier,”

this is the shit I was talking about.

This is actually the first time we're seeing someone show mercy.

Yeah. It could have been that in these days, because we're talking in the early '60s here, '64. Yeah, it's quite possible that she was a black woman facing an all-way jury. Yeah.

And the judge may have had some sympathy and didn't say, "Okay, well, let's see what she does." Yeah. It makes sense to, at the time, too, there was like a whole thing about women don't really commit these crimes.

No. Like an idea of like, "Oh, you know, who knows what this will let her out?" She's not going to go do a bunch of other crimes. We let her out. Women are weak.

You know, they let her out? And she was on her best behavior. Unfortunately, the same could not be said for a couple of her kids who were running a foul of the law.

On July 6, 1967, 19-year-old Lloyd Dean

and three of his friends set out to rob

“the eastern oil gas station in Leesburg, Florida.”

The plan was simple. Lloyd and Eddie Daley would enter the station rob the cashier at gunpoint and two other boys would act as lookouts. Then the boys would split the millions of dollars

and party forever. The cashier, Herman P. Lane, refused to give up the money. It was unclear which one of the boys had the gun, but they didn't have it for long because Herman P. Lane wrestled it away for them while screaming,

"You done fucked with the wrong gas station cashier tonight, boys!" Herman P. Lane ate the one. Something like that. Yeah, of course. Just type of shit you screamed when you wrestled it.

Don't be on a way from a teenage. After Lane disarmed one robber, and the other punched him in the head, the boys managed to get $40 and fled the area on foot. They were not caught and the end result was a harder

and pair of 20s to be split four ways. 10 bucks each. Not a net. Even in 1967, $10 for armed robberies. Not a lot.

“Ain't the best spot, you know? Yeah, a cup of beers.”

Well, it didn't pay for long, unfortunately. A short while later, Marie 17-year-old daughter, Francina Dean got arrested for passing bad checks at a public supermarket, rookie mistake. Every Floridian knows good checks got a public's bad ones

go to Windexing. Yeah, because they check public checks. Yeah, that's good. Please still know that. Well, being questioned about the crime,

Francina offered up information on the Eastern oil robbery, giving police the name of Daily and Sean Brown. One of the lookouts. She admitted her brother Lloyd's name. As soon as Daily and Brown were brought in for questioning,

they ratted on Lloyd Dean immediately. Yeah, he responded by blaming everything on them, saying he didn't partake on the robbery. He just showed up after it already happened, although he did admit to sharing it on the profits

because when someone has a crisp Alexander Hamilton with your name on it, what are you going to do? Not taking it, it's full 10 dollars. Yeah, so both the Marie Dean, Arlington's kids are now on trial.

And things didn't go well for either of them. 17-year-old Francina was sentenced to two years in prison despite public defender Bob Pierce arguing that she was just a kid who was raised in a bad environment.

A statement that I'm sure Marie was thrilled to hear. I mean, let's just say Marie's not the one. Let's not mom first. Yeah, you know. It's like I like her, but I don't want to ever know her.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Lloyd was also represented by Bob Pierce. And the results of his trial were freaking disastrous. Daily got 10 years probation. Maybe a little harsh for a $40 robbery.

We're no one got hurt. But pretty reasonable overall, no prison time. Brown was a minor. So he got sent to Juvee detention. And then there's Lloyd who got,

I shit you not life in prison. Wow. For this fucking robbery. The judge was no doubt swayed by a pre-satencing report that argued that Lloyd Dean was in danger of following

in the footsteps of his criminal mother.

Yeah, I would. More than ever. Yeah, man.

It included testimony from his grandmother that said

she tried to raise him right, but that Lloyd didn't know the difference between right and wrong. And she was hoping for a harsh sentence to teach him a lesson. That'll shitty bitch that you was.

“I think like five years is a harsh lesson.”

One's fine. You know, one's fine. Yeah, one's all right. Yeah, life and prison. Fuck me.

Yeah, Marie Dean Arlington was fucking pissed off about this situation. MDA was MAD. Her kids were both locked up with a griegiously excessive penalties. She was getting dunked on left and right in court. Bob Pierce blamed her for Francina right in bad checks.

Whoever wrote the pre-sentencing report used her as a way to advocate for Lloyd doing life behind bars. And so I asked you at this moment. What would you do? What would you do if you're Marie?

Mergola. Apes shit. [laughs]

Bottom line, Marie was determined to get her money's worth

out of that $500 appeals bond. She set out on a poorly planned revenge store. Stop one was Bob Pierce's office. She felt that he had done a poor job defending her two kids. And she was going to let him know by killing his fuck ass.

“Problem is, Bob Pierce wasn't in the office that day.”

Turns out, sometimes lawyers are in court. Yeah. So Marie did the only logical thing. She kidnapped Bob Secretary, a woman named Vivian Ritter. Can I just say, if we're going to do a bunch of murder,

don't kidnap anybody. It's a fucking hassle. Yeah. Especially if you're going to murder, don't pivot to kidnapping. No.

Yeah. You stick with the plan. Come back. Murder the guy when he's there. Just check it out, check it out and see and have everything's bad.

Sorry, I'm going to go back into my children. Yeah. See you in a couple. When's it? When Bob is going to be back?

Yeah. So Vivian's disappearance had Leesburg on edge. Two days after her abduction, they found her car. The trunk was covered in blood. Police brought Marie in for questioning, but she had an alibi.

At the time of the adduction, she said she was out fishing with her cousin Ellie. Cousin Ellie was all like, don't get me wrapped up in your bullshit and denied the claim. Upon further questioning, Marie admitted that she had not been

fishing on that fateful day and that she had gone to Bob Pierce's office. But while she was there, her and Vivian Ritter were both adducted. Good story. In her new story, the abducters drove both of them out to an orange grove and then decided to let Marie go.

Driving her back to Leesburg and saying that if she said anything, they'd kill it. Marie let police back to the orange grove where they were later find Vivian's body. Fuck. I bet that's where Nancy Guthrie is. Nah, dude.

Nah, she's in Halle's go way. I actually think she might be in Cabo. She was showing the ways of the sun and having Margarita.

“God, how happy would you be if it was just a finally a picture of her just sucking on a Margarita?”

Yeah. Just hurt like middle finger just like fuck all y'all. I hated my daughter too. You know, like how do you make things? I'd love that for her.

But that's, that's not what happened. I think we're going to find her in a small Eastern European village wearing a bush gun. Yeah, like a mustache. Yeah. She's being like.

My name was Gunko Burskorsky. I got no money. I got the money for you. It's all going to match. All the genetics are going to match.

All the testing is going to match. It's definitely everything's going to stay. No, I am Nanooshka Mamanski. No. I got to the world.

I make sandwich for the Ukraine boys. I made them soup and sandwich. In a kinder world. Yeah. That's Nancy.

That's where we would be right now. So after the found Vivian Ritter at the Orange Grove, they searched Marie's home and found all sorts of ramps of notes saying that if children were not released from jail, she would dismember Ritter and then sent police body parts one by one. In the notes, she also threatened to kill the wife of Troy Hall, the judge who handed down

Lloyd Dean's life sentence. She did not kill the judge's wife, although his house had been broken into a few days prior, but nobody was home. So all mean Marie instead decided to take a shit on his floor. That's what I knew.

Yeah. George Clinton would say, she got that dog on her.

That's a naughty dog, but she wrote all these notes, but never sent any of them.

No. No. She didn't follow through. She just nodded. Super.

Type A. No. So unsurprisingly, Marie's second trial didn't go much better than her first. Despite I witnessed testimony that seemed to support Marie's theory of a third abducter and a handwriting expert saying that he couldn't link the notes to Marie, she was found guilty

On December 6, 1968, she was sentenced to death by electric chair.

“Marie was sent a low correctional facility.”

Remember that place? To a weight death. Despite please from the prosecutor that she was very dangerous and needed to be in a maximum security environment, she was placed in a minimum security hospital room. Cartoonish and up to two strikes again.

So what she's supposed to do now? Not escape. You obviously don't know Marie Dean airing to my friend. As far as President Scabesco, though, this wasn't exactly Shawshank Redemption. She simply let some matches and melted the screen window enough so she could break through it.

That's amazing. Yeah, you heard that right. She had a screen window. And it's not even a metal screen window. They've been aluminum screen window.

Yeah, it's great for keeping out skaters, but bad for keeping in mean marries. I'll tell you that much. She rolled up some blankets to look like a sleeping body. Then she ran, hopped over a couple barbed wire fences and was gone. All in all, it was a prison escape.

“That was easier than your average American Ninja Warrior course.”

Wow. Far easier. Cops showed up with bloodhounds, hours later, and found nothing. It was like she flew out of here. The prison superintendent exclaimed like a total dumbass.

And just like that, Marie Dean airington was on the land. The public defender and the judge were on high alert. Thinking that she'd come back to finish the job. But I think Jason four years. Yeah.

She stayed gone. Somehow getting to New Orleans and starting a new life as a diner waitress named Lola Niro. That's a fucking assuming name. I really assume name. And anyone's like, my name's Lola Niro.

It's like, that's not your name. You'll win if you're okay. What are you running from? If it is, their name though, they do have to call every man. Big boy.

Yeah. Don't hit that big boy named Lola Niro. They want some grats. Especially like 68 New Orleans. Oh yeah.

But she kept tabs on the search for Marie Dean airington and took a sense of pride

when the FBI made her the second woman ever on their most wanted list.

She also mailed some threatening materials to the judge. But otherwise, kept a nose clean. Her daughter, Francine, had got out of prison. Her initial two-year sentence was extended after they tacked on an additional charges for get this, attempting to escape.

Yeah. Marie was sure that any day she was going to get caught. But lasted for three years before the feds finally tracked her down. She was brought back to Florida and given an additional ten years on top of her death sentence.

But about that death sentence. It never happened. Turns out Marie had unwittingly saved her life. Because shortly after she was put back on death row, the landmark case of firm inverses Georgia ruled that the death penalty was unconstitutional and invalidated

the death sentences of nearly 700 people nationwide, including mean Marie. Her sentence was changed to life in prison plus ten years.

Even after Florida became the first state to institute a new death penalty that met

more rigorous requirements set forth in the firm in case. They couldn't go back and retroactively give the death penalty any Floridians in the original 700. So instead of getting the chair at 40 years old, Marie died of natural causes at 80. Like a friggin' champ.

She beat the state of Florida. She really did. Not many people do. I mean, she's still died in prison. Yeah.

But she didn't die in the chair. That's right. So before we wrap up, I don't want to, I got to jump back in the bummerville for two seconds, which could be an alternate name for a killer. But currently, Ron DeSantis is on an execution tear.

In 2025, Florida executed 19 people, which is more than any year in the state's history. And 40% of the entire nation's executions. Florida uses a system where the governor decides who is executed and when based on a criteria that isn't public. The state is currently on pace to repeat last year's numbers.

Also, the laws were recently changed. That capital punishment no longer has to be a unanimous decision by the jury. And a death sentence can be given to someone with a vote of eight to four. Fucking nuts. Yeah.

It can be assumed that our dumpy governor is doing this because he's about to turn out. And once the killer's many people is possible, so we could run for president again on his usual tough on crime platform, fuck you, Ronnie. That's the end of this. Yeah, fuck him.

And I did find out who the first woman on the top 10 most wanted list was. Ruth Isman Sheer.

I'd actually never heard of her before.

“But the reason why those other women were not on the list, except for maybe, I think,”

Carolina, if you get, is that the most wanted list was not created until 1950.

Actually, I think when Bonnie Parker was going in Mark Barker, I don't think the FBI was even officially,

I don't think the FBI was officially established at that point in history. Really? I don't think so. I can't remember. I can't remember.

“I think Bonnie and Clyde helped to create the FBI.”

Yeah, that's right. The creation of the FBI. Oh, the highway men. Yeah. Yeah, the highway men.

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