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I don't want him realizing now. There's that for so long.
I always kind of thought that the smells associated with Henry Lulucus
and the Otis tool, like one of the worst smells, would be the habitual cigarettes of cigarette smoke. Now I'm starting to understand. I just recently was like watching footage of Otis tool talking alone to report her in a room chain smoking.
Yeah. And then they were like, it's her to understand my brain. And I was like, oh, no, the smoke is good. Yeah, compared to them. Yeah, it covers up the body odor, the smell of Otis tool.
“I think that the scent of Henry Lulucus.”
The smoke was like a tool, the A tool. By Otis tool. Yeah, just sort of almost ingratiate him to people in a way. Yeah, do you really want to experience essence of Otis? No, because if you experience essence of Otis,
Otis, you end up as a fucking child with no head. Only time Otis washed himself is one of the police hit up with a hose. Thank you. [LAUGHTER]
You took the last update on the left, everyone.
My name's Marcus Parks. I'm here with Henry Zabaskin. Now you're not. You're here with Otis tool. You know, I'm the most random, tallest, oldest man you've ever seen
who's also yet aboard. Oh, yeah, if you would join your time in prison. Oh, yeah, if they knew how good of a time I'd have, they let me out. You had any conjugal visits from it.
Yeah, here, you're quite the ladies, man. I push him on people. [LAUGHTER]
“Sometimes, you will find out what about the half one.”
[LAUGHTER] And of course, Abbasa. Hi, how are you? I don't know what's going on. And I'm rooting for him here.
From here, despite the fact that the dolphins are playing today. Wow. To say, "Titon's 3 Dolphins 0." Wow. Wow.
Good, really. You know what? I gave, sort of, like, seconds ago. [LAUGHTER] There was one episode where it's appropriate to follow
the dolphins as they recorded it today.
What's incredible is that it's actually the second quarter.
The second, the show started the Titan score. Yeah. [LAUGHTER] And we'll be giving you an update on how the dolphins are doing throughout the episode.
The reason why we're talking about audits tool is because we are returning to Henry Lee Lucas because we talked about it in quite a bit in the last update, but there was a lot of information that we didn't get to. A lot of stuff that we didn't talk about in our first go-round with Henry Lee Lucas
“because I believe our only sources back then were a trashy,”
supermarket, true crime paperback, and the book "Hand of Death." Yes. It was co-written by the Christian lady who visited audits tool in prison. And it gave a birth to a world of conspiracy theory that now we're still dealing with. Yeah.
It's still very much in the present conversation because the program to kill was, by David McGowan, which is a big part of the sort of, I would say, the black-pilled world that does fully believe that serial killers are trained by CIA and that the CIA then uses a serial killer's to kill and procure children in order to use their magical powers to fuel their reptilian overlords that are the actual
U.S. government. Come on, the reptilian stuff is it? That's a bridge too far. It did spend a lot of time in Florida. Yes.
That's a reptile stand there. Now here's, I'm going to admit something that's going to make me sound ignorant. I don't know the pill thing. The black pill, the red pill. It means nothing.
Don't worry about it, Eddie. What pill am I? What pill did I take? You didn't green pill. You didn't green pill.
What did I smoke? My God didn't pill. Look at it. I can stop with the pill. It's all just smoke.
The case makes my lawns hurt. I don't know. It gets me fucking ripped. Oh, my God. Oh.
I mean, there is a large contingent of people that believe that Henry Lee Lucas, along with a fair amount of other serial killers, were trained by either the CIA or even some sort of organization that might even be above the CIA. Oh, yes. To loosely talk to a step on this. Yeah.
I mean, and there was a whole, but that's the thing. There was this book. We were actually going to go into this maybe for the live show that we're touring right now. We said go a different direction which I enjoy quite a bit more. Yeah.
But we were thinking about going on a program to kill, but we realized that program to kill is mostly informed by hand of death. Which was the book that Henry Lee Lucas kind of an artist's tool. I guess you could say they can dictate it. And they also, they yes ended just any wacky shit that anyone said to them. They were like, oh, yeah, but I did that.
And then also I took little girls guts and I put them into my pants. And the government said that that's what they wanted me to do.
Hey, listen.
We don't know.
I don't know what half the forms of my taxes mean.
So I don't know.
“I think that's why I was running up all these issues for all these years as that I never once fucked the child's intestines.”
But you also program to kill also mentions Mark to twaw. That's a different story altogether. But those are the things he sort of loosely ties together. But I, you know, this is sort of a hint that we might one of those little subjects I'd love to do is Dave McGowan. I'd love to go into his life.
His life was actually very interesting. But that's idea of the US being involved in the training of serial killers is I just don't think they need the training. They seem to kind of be self-stargers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if they were over in like other countries, if there's American serial killing in other places,
then I'd be like, oh, maybe. Well, maybe that's where they go to vacation. It makes no sense. Why would they want to kill just, you know, random girls all the time? Because they're upset.
They're angry at you. So they say, they say, they say, They say, well, the end game is to create a fear state in America. And allow us to be ruled by the CIA and ruled by an Arab sub-scafroom. That's the rap sub-scafroom.
That's the rap sub-scafroom. Yeah. But they would just, and shoot up.
“But that's where the CIA started to do the rap and up loose ends.”
They're procuring children for various blackmailing problems. And blackmailing, they use kids to blackmail other politicians. They're going to do what they want them to do. And then also just cause they like it. Okay.
We'll just means you're sad all the time and you know what that means. You're on Reddit and you think you know better because you don't go anywhere. Yeah. But the hand-to-death stuff, like it's, it not only is it like ridiculous, but we also know it's not true just because of how much Henry Le Lucas lied.
And that's kind of what we left off. The last episode was all of Henry Le Lucas's false confessions. And the aftermath of those false confessions.
And what happened when he finally said,
"Actually, no, I didn't kill no one but my mother." It was this guy, his name was Vic Fiesel. We didn't really talk about this during our series. Vic Fiesel sounds like Vin Diesel trying to make up a fake name in a hotel. But this guy said, "Actually, here."
Vic Fiesel was D.A. in Waco. And he, like everybody else in Texas, he had Henry Le Lucas's fever. Everyone did because Henry Le Lucas was closing cases left and right. The cops and Dallas though, like they were,
I really got to give it to the Dallas PD. Because we're getting a lot of this stuff from the Netflix series, the Confession Killer. And they talked to a woman who was a co-case detective, had like a really high clearance rate.
94%. 94% was fucking killing it. Yeah. And sometimes when someone has a clearance rate that high, especially a homicide detective,
we've actually seen this. I think we saw New York City. I think there was actually one here as well, where they had these detectives with these super high clearance rates and it turns out that they were just forcing people in the false confessions.
“And that's how they got their really high clearance rates.”
Well, it makes sense because then that's how you got them. Yeah. But this woman was not doing that. She was actually solving cases. Because she went down to Georgetown.
Uh, they had Henry Lucas down in Georgia. Tricky little jail. Yeah. It's the tiniest little, like you easily could, I mean, killed those are what I had no problem with this little jail.
I actually feel like you're not sure. I'm going to take it out this jail. I think he would have tried to drive the jail. And so this woman goes down to talk to Henry Lucas and gives him a couple of like three Dallas cases.
And he's like, Oh, yeah, did that. Yeah, I did that. Yeah, I did that. Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. I was there. I remember her screaming. Yeah. That one.
I got ice cream after. I did that.
And that was always his big ones.
I did that. I did that. But, you know, she's damn good detective. She knows when someone's lying. She knows when someone's bullshit.
So she goes back to Dallas and her cops are like, all right. Well, here's what you do. Like put together a bogus case file. Like put together bullshit photos. A bullshit report, bullshit everything, take it back down to him.
See what he says. And she did that. She did for three cases. And thing is that she's having to go against the Texas Rangers at this point. Because at this point, the Texas Rangers are the ones who have Henry Lucas in their
care. They're the ones their in charge of the Henry Lucas task force. Because what the Texas Rangers were doing is they were getting a real big fucking hard on it. Bring in every police department from around the country to come down to this tiny little
John Texas and talk to Henry Lucas and put their coal cases in front. Come on down. Get your cases clear. Just with your no way. Henry Lucas is lying.
And he says yes. You made a look but like an idiot by another idiot.
Yes.
That two shirts are being made very soon.
And that and talk is actually the number one podcast currently. He's on their top and all your favorite Kardashians saying yes to their crimes as well.
“Do you have the parents of dead children banging down your door?”
You're gonna get rid of them today. And the worst part man is that don't stop until it's just as soon. So come on down. Get hot pipe and play to just make sure you grab them. Yeah.
But they were having so many police departments coming down to bring their coal cases to Henry Lucas. They had a line and they would give each police department 20 minutes with Henry Lucas. Just feel like it's like naked gun.
You have like one is like, you know, the head of police from Ghana. He's like crazy. He's like, you know what I mean? He's like, you know what I mean? He's like, you know what I mean?
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He was one and he was also the school janitor. Greg was all right. We had our, we had our differences, but he was all right. Uh, I'm mopping up this cry. You know what he has to cry.
He'd be on the toilet seat, little Jimmy. You know, I could take you down to the station and put cuffs on you to sit you with rapes running. You want to remember him? He used to teach Jim. So yeah, these sexes rangers, they're running this ass for, and they think that they're helping,
but they're also very much enjoying being the people who are helping these cases to be solved. You know, they're chest or puffed up, and you know, the Texas Rangers is a complicated organization.
“Oh, I think it's known to be highly racist, extraordinarily so.”
It's known to be corrupt. It's known to have fucked up many things throughout the years. It's not a lot of things. There's no baseball too. Yeah.
I mean, yeah, they're used to be owned by a war criminal. Yeah. What Texas Rangers think of gray hats? Yeah. Great hats.
Yeah. The two albums love their belt. They do wear two belts, but I don't want for the pants one for the gun. I think we're in the future. The badge sewn on to the shirt.
Yeah, I don't like that. It's a common. You know the metal badge. Texas Rangers, I, I, I, I, I, I like it. Yeah.
I like the Texas Rangers. We also, we want to have some Texas dates coming up soon. But if you remember that, but if there's one, if there's one word I would use to describe a lot of the Texas.
Especially the Texas Rangers, they interviewed in the documentary series.
Yeah. The American. Yeah. The word that I'd use.
Very, very arrogant, very full of themselves.
Very much full of purpose. And they don't really give a shit. If they know what's what, they know what's what. They're going to tell you what's what. And you know what, you ain't going to argue with me.
Because I know, man, when he looks me in the eye, I know when he's still in the truth. Henry Lucas, he was telling me the truth. I know he's telling me the truth because the devil can't lie to an angel. The truth.
“I honestly think though, I, that, it's a funny joke.”
But I do think that there is a concept here of, so Henry really Lucas, I feel like a lot of media and even just life in general, you see how far someone's willing to go if they see you the role they're meant to take. Yeah. Right.
So like Henry really Lucas, while he wasn't a savvy man, he did understand. And he's seven IQ 80. He said, yeah, he was, he was legally stupid. And so he went to, uh, we understand he's getting good things out of this, right? So he has a very easy up and down name about why he is confessing to all these things,
which we basically have considered it's because he got to sit in a place where they gave him cigarettes and milk chicks. Yeah. And he got to stay off death row. And you got to stay off death row.
And I think that's important. And I feel trips all the fucking time. But then, I can't see. Remember from the last episode of my dad's song, I'm one of the field trips. But then when he took the role of the world's worst serial killers.
Yeah. It's very important for the police to back up the role.
Because then what they then do is see this all fosters just how powerful and wise our justice
system is. Not only have we effectively caught one of the worst monsters to ever live. And he's now spilling his guts because we've hacked him open. And he's here in this shows you what just his guts. Like this is.
And so they're feeding into a fantasy as well that puffs them up. And it makes them want to work. It makes them like act big. And it also helps to I think it really for a lot of them help to alleviate the chaos of the 70s. Oh yeah.
Just how horrible, you know, the murder rates were and how horrible. The crime rates were in the 70s. I say it again again, but we can't imagine how bad it really was in America during the 1970s. And I think with them taking Henry Lee Lucas and having him say like I did this murder and that murder and that murder and him saying like I did over 300 murders. Like they could rest a little easier known say okay one of the.
Like there's one there's one guy.
There's one guy out there that's responsible for all of this chaos.
It's not like it's 360 guys that are responsible for all this chaos. It's one guy's just one bad apple. So that way they can also feel a little they can feel a little bit better about America. They can feel a little bit better about society. You know, if it's just one guy instead of, you know, 300.
“And that's why I think with the 300, I actually think a lot of the program to kill stuff got.”
It shows the power of. Be careful who you pretend to be because we are all who we pretend to be because Henry Lucas. His series of confessions made somebody like Dave McGowan say there's no way that idiot could have done all of this. And one way. So now he's now definitely sure that he was trained by the fucking government to kill.
Because how else could that more on kill that many people for such a long period of time. And such a scattered sense of the MOs. It makes him feel more correct. So in the end, it's just like idiots being idiots being idiots going all the way down the road. Exactly, but that also but being an idiot.
I mean, remember famously Gary Ridgeway's IQ is lower. The thing is his is 82. Well, he was special. All right. And he was born just good at it.
He was a prodigy. He was. But they'd say proof. You know, same IQ. Yeah.
But proof. You should shrink. Scott, you need hot dogs for breakfast. And then go, my people were like, what a badass.
“And I was like, I think he just thought it was brown water.”
And that's what you ate. But Gary Ridgeway made sense. You know, he killed every one of his victims in one corridor in the Pacific Northwest. Henry Lucas didn't make any sense. You know, all the different ways that he, you know, killed people.
You know, are supposedly killed people confessed to killing people. And he had, you know, there were 20 different victim types that doesn't happen either. You know, just nothing about Henry Lucas made sense back to, like way back to this cop that's coming out from Dallas. She goes down and she shows him all these bogus case files. And he, of course, every single one of them he's like, yep.
Yep. Yep. And they're like, this guy's full of shit. And so the DA from Waco brings Henry Lucas up. And he's starting to see the same thing.
Like, he's asking questions of Henry Lucas. And he's also seeing, okay, this guy is absolutely full of shit. But this DA, Vic Feasal, he is ambitious.
Like, this is a guy who's, you know, DA is the first step in stone.
Like, he's got ambitions possibly for a governor.
“You know, governor, you know, they said this guy could have been president.”
They said, like, one guy said he was Bill Clinton before Bill Clinton. Like he could have got there. So he's looking for the photo of president Feasal. I don't know. Yeah, president Feasal.
Well, if I like the names rhymes with Weasel. Yeah. He's a Weasel. Yeah. He's done.
He's not even making it to governor. One of few is an artist. You could have been to Feasal the easel. Yeah. Guess what?
But he's not. He's fucking not. He did choose that. That would help. He chose this.
He actually helped. But yeah. He decided that Henry Lillucas was going to be what he made his name on. But that's the thing that's known to do that.
He had to go against the Texas Rangers.
Yeah. And the problem with going against the Texas Rangers is that at the time, the head of the Texas Rangers, the job that man had had. I can't remember his name off the top of my head. But the job he had before that was deputy FBI director.
Under Jay Edgar Hoover. Yeah. Yeah. Cointel pro. And then one of his big things.
I feel that he might not be a super reasonable man. He might have a strong sense of self. Yeah. He's definitely not a man that you cross. He's definitely not a man that you cross.
But this was the guy who was, you know, the programs that he was a part of, you know, all the harassment of Martin Luther King. The harassment of like John Lennon. I know it's that all the breakings are okay.
Like all of the blackmail, all the horrible shit. So every time you're to being the head of the Texas Rangers. Yes.
“He went for it because I think he got fire.”
Remember correctly. He like went when Congress found out about Cointel pro. And they're like, this is bad. You shouldn't be doing this. He's like, you know what I'm going to do?
I'm going down the Texas. Yeah. I don't need the heat here. And they see I got to go downwards, easy and breezy. Central Texas.
Yeah. No. If Florida is where being a horrible people go, we're no one cares. Texas is where horrible people go and people are really into it.
Yeah. So yeah. This guy's the Texas. Yeah. He was the head of Texas Rangers at the time.
And so he basically destroyed Vixie's life. Yes. I mean, he, uh, he, uh, like, what did he do? Like he killed his dog. Yeah. And poison is fucking dog.
And then rent through his whole house. Right? Didn't he just like see they threw a bunch of bullshit. Charlie was on him. Yeah.
And then they just like tore his house apart. Yeah. Yeah. And they went through. Like he said is everything in his freezer.
They opened up and threw on the floor.
Because his essential job was that he would become Henry Lee Lucas's lawyer.
Right? It's in the idea. Eventually he becomes in really Lucas's lawyer. And the goal really was to prove that he was full of shit. Yeah.
The goal was to prove that Henry Lucas was full of shit. That's so funny to go into because let me remind me. Because Henry Lee Lucas as he was going through. He ended up copying to the fact that he didn't maybe know. Right.
Yeah. Towards the end of his life. For maybe Henry Lee Lucas was he was saying like. I don't know if I did that. Well, that's the thing is that when Vic Fizzle brought him to Waco.
It's like 84 85. He said then. Yeah. That I didn't kill my buddy. And he's like, I killed my mother and that's it.
And then Fizzle was trying to hide him from the Rangers. Yeah. Yeah. Who were using him? Yeah.
You know, Rangers were using him.
“So well, that's what the Texas Rangers say is that like.”
Yeah. You put him in front of the Texas Rangers. He's going on. Please Texas Rangers. You put him in front of a DA who said that he doesn't want him to be a murderer.
And he's going to try to please him. So he's going to say he didn't do it. I actually didn't know this is there really wrong. I think he's just saying whatever. It's all because someone smiling at him and not going like.
Henry get out of that dumpster. Yeah. He seems to just be like. He's my friend. Also anything to stay off a death row.
But that's the thing is that when the Texas Rangers took him really Lucas back, he kept saying like, no, I didn't do it. I lied about all that stuff. Y'all just didn't do that. He didn't do that.
He didn't do that. He didn't do that. He didn't do that. He just absorbed everything. He just threw everything to Henry.
Yeah. He actually from that point forward. He would say like, yeah, I didn't. I didn't do any of these. I did he said he said I killed my mother.
And that was it. But that was the weird thing about it is that he would say he killed his mother. And that was it. But what kicked all this off, of course, was that he was able to take police to his member.
His, you know, his little hitchhiker, Becky. Yes. Autist tools cousin. The 11-year-old girl that came along with him is that he was able to take Police directly to Becky's body.
Yeah, he definitely did that. But that was the weird thing is that after he talked to Vic Fizzle and came
Back from that, he's like, I only killed my mother.
I never killed Becky.
“And that was one of the incredible fucking parts of the story later on.”
So like after like Vic Fizzle, he went through hell.
I mean, they hit him with a bunch of bogus charges and, you know, at turn out. Said he was taking brides. Said he was taking brides for DWI, like lighter DWI sentences. Put him on the rack of tearing. All that shit.
Everything. And so he went to trial for it. Like fully went. Yeah, he went all in he exaggerated himself. He was found not guilty.
And then he decided to have a liable case, like file liable case against the television station that had run like a big and that eight part investigative report about him. Yeah. And through like a bunch of FOIA requests and subpoenas and all kinds of
shit, he found out that the government had gone to a bunch of local lawyers in Waco and it pressured them into testifying that Vic Fizzle had, you know, had taken brides from them. Like they brought dudes from the IRS into the room. You can be like, so you get money to Vic Fizzle.
I'm like, no, I don't know. But they're like, this guy here at the IRS really wants to know if you took money from Vic Fizzle. And these guys ended up testifying, like, yeah, I took money from Vic Fizzle or I gave money to Vic Fizzle.
Yeah. No shit. Yeah. To get their clients off. Yeah, to get their clients off.
Yeah. And then they got caught. Yeah. And they got they got caught. And it was also discovered that the Texas Rangers were working in conjunction with the news channel, where the news channel had showed up and taken, like, the news
channel that had met the Texas Rangers at a hotel and the Texas Rangers had given them all these bogus files on Vic Fizzle and said, like, go after him and they ran this big 11 parts series. Yeah. Like, once a week, they would do, like, a special on the news about something evil that Vic Fizzle was doing.
Yeah. And then after that, once the charges were brought up, like, the Grand jury, the only evidence the Grand jury was shown to indict Vic Fizzle for bribery and racketeering was the fucking 11 part news report that was done on him. Oh, man. And so, as I've once, they were there.
That's probably the Grand jury showed him. Yeah. Five months. And it's a hell, panryly Lucas. That's the fucking problem Vic. That's the fucking problem buddy.
“You should have used them for anybody else.”
Why him? Why him? Why him? Well, I don't know if he was wanting help. Like, it was, I think it was a publicity. Honestly, I think it was a publicity. Something got out of hand. Oh, it's like he wanted the photo
up and he wanted the, he wanted to be able to say, like, I'm going up. I've seen corruption. I beat the, the rangers. I'm going up against corruption in Texas. I'm really not corruption in Texas. And he, you know, he stumbled onto something crazy. Yeah, but he's also 32 years old at the time. Yeah.
Well, he's just, he's a baby. Yeah, man. He doesn't know the 32 year old baby. I know that. I'm just the 40 year old child myself. And with my wainer pissing my pants. Imagine taking on the fucking FBI and the Texas
Rangers at 32. 10 years ago. Where were you? 10 years ago. It's the math. I could see me doing that, like, on, like, taking on both, like, from a 7/11. Yeah, being changed. That's our permission.
And so Vic Fizo, of course he wins the liable suit and wins the largest liable settlement in history. It's in the Guinness Book of World Records.
That's correct. What is it? 58 million. But that's from the news channel
and the news reporter. He wasn't allowed that you're not allowed to sue the Rangers or the FBI. Yeah, good for that. Yeah, they have governmental immunity. Oh, that's good. Yeah, so it's a totally destroy your life and can't do anything about it.
“Well, that's why we're big fans here of the Texas Rangers.”
And just, you know, you get 10% off your speeding ticket at the Texas Rangers website. You can put it in the code last POD 90. And so Vic Fizo, after he goes through all of this shit, like he resigns from the DA's office. Like, I think he did, especially after you get that paycheck. Why am I putting myself through this? Oh, my God.
He made himself an injury law firm. Yeah. He literally said, fuck this. So I'm just going to go back to broken legs and fucking getting your vagina birth. Well, he decided that he was going to represent Henry Lucas for a little while. Like, I didn't think he did it pro bono. Oh, me, of course, because what I mean,
you're going to get paid in stories. So chicks. Yeah. Oh, man, by the time Vic Fizo came around, he only had three or four of them love. Yeah. Yeah.
Honestly, I feel he just keep it to the soup.
That's the amazing thing about Henry Lucas.
When he got to be an old man, he looked like, you know,
Some old men look like massive babies.
Yeah.
He looks like a huge, two-fless baby.
He looks like a shaved carrot. It really is gross. He's really good. That's what he looks like. He is gross.
I need to hard because.
“I mean, honestly, you didn't, I think in jail, they get your dentures.”
You know, it's quite a few. You middle of taxes, I don't know what they give you. What is it about some people just, you know, to huntsville right after? Yeah. Can I ask, sorry, sorry, sorry, sir.
POTLGML.com. Why do some people just choose not to get dentures? Yeah. And just go full on mouth bone, the mouth bone? They could be very uncomfortable.
Yeah.
And, you know, maybe if they weren't so lazy, they'd still have teeth.
That's true. I don't think so. I don't think so. On those you've lost your teeth due to like some form of accident poisoning. Yeah.
I guess drug use. Hmm. But if they're just poppin' out, man, that's not good. He was concerned with losing. No, he was not.
No, he wasn't. No, he wasn't.
“Either because you know who didn't complain.”
Otis. Yeah. Otis just knew that teeth were just getting away a dick. That's why he was a fuckin' proper man. Oh, God.
Well, that's the thing. Yeah. Vic Feezel. He got to be Henry Lee Lucas's defense attorney. And they were eventually contacted by a woman who claimed to be Becky Powell.
Supposedly, the little girl that Henry Lee Lucas murdered all those years before. And since Henry Lee Lucas had, you know, been proven a liar on so many of his confessions. It seems like, well, maybe he lied about killing Becky as well. So, let's check this woman out. They go down, you know, Vic Feezel interviews this woman.
She's very convincing. She knows all these, you know, details about Henry Lee Lucas's childhood. And she knows all these details about, you know, Becky Powell's childhood about her relatives or house. Everything. And then they bring her to Texas. And there's this massive, like, they bring CNN.
Yeah. And to talk to this woman. And they bring her in, you know, because she does a lighter text or text. And the guy who runs the test is like, this is Becky Powell 100%. They bring CNN. Huge deal, massive deal.
And so Vic Feezel figures, I'm going to make another run at the Texas Rangers. Like, I'm going to make them look like fucking idiots with this woman. And then the Texas Rangers say, like, all right, let's put her under oath. See what she says. And when he said, when he heard put her under oath, he's like,
let's double check. It doesn't think about this for a second.
And we're really going to make this a visual. Don't we just like planning? Yeah. We just like the meetings. That's really why I even emails.
So I could talk to you. Sheriff Henderson. So he sits Becky down for, quote unquote, Becky down for real serious conversation. And while he's talking to Becky trying to get her to tell the truth, his wife goes through Becky's luggage and finds a big stack of letters from Henry Lee Lucas.
Now who's the real detective here? It seems like that's a real detective work.
“They, that's how you find out because it's hard.”
We, we keep threatening it. But we, I'm just really kind of hooked it up. Like the idea of professional liars, like people who lie, even if it hurts you are so fascinating to me. Like the people that do it just straight up for essentially attention.
Yeah. Like I don't know why. Like this stick yourself into the story. Like there's something about maybe it's because like maybe look at Henry Lee Lucas. Maybe it's like you think he might be a grand paw.
Your mind is something. There's just something about him that you want him. He thinks he's cute. No. When he was confessing he didn't look like grandpa.
He, he looked like uncle. Oh, yeah. He looked like uncle. Uncle Henry, but not in a good way. He had Kevin Klein hair for a while.
You see him. He was very wavy. Yeah. Very wavy. He had kind of a crispy dog.
It was a really interesting part of that documentary that was. It talked about his like what psychiatrist said about him and what they found out about Henry Lucas mentally and like what his mental illnesses were. And he said that there's a concept called confabulation. Yeah.
People, some people that suffer from this have gaps in their memory. Like massive gaps in their memory. Can't do anything about it. Can't see anything like they just have these massive gaps. And what they do is they fill in the gaps with stories.
They fill in gaps with, you know, fantasy that comes from themselves. They'll fill in the gaps. Like especially like if they're wanting to please someone. If someone is telling them a story, they'll fill in the gaps to please the person that
They're asking to of course because that makes that other person happy.
And they said like Henry Lucas's like rate of confabulation was off the charts.
They said it was like just they'd never seen anything like seen a person like that.
Where they just, you know, they just pop in the details.
“And that's why he was so convincing for so long for these people.”
And that's the thing is it's that he had that convincing or about him. But the Texas Rangers, like they, I don't think they, the men, I think the men that were really involved in this and the sheriff, there was text ranges, there was also sheriff's. There was one sheriff that, you know, had fucking five murders in his county that
were just sitting there on his conscience that, you know, couldn't do anything about him. Good at all, just five fucking murders in a place where like murders did not happen. Yeah. And what do you do? And so Henry Lucas became like, they became friends because Henry Lucas would,
he confessed to all of these murders. You know, and it came out that one of the murders was not a murderer at all. The woman had a seizure while she was driving. Oh, yeah. And she had a seizure while she was driving and she drove her car into a fucking quarry or
somebody. Yeah, because they found her body in the water. Yeah.
They found her body in the water and they found the necklace that she was wearing.
And that was the things that, that's how they knew that the cops were feeding him information is, and that, I mean, this is just one example out of, you know, a dozen. You know, them catching cops feeding him information is that this woman, you know, had a seizure while she was driving and drove into a fucking lake. And Henry Lucas was able to describe the necklace that she was wearing that day.
Which there was completely impossible for him to know what that woman was wearing. When she had a seizure and drove into a fucking quarry. Yeah, because there's no, and that happened again and again. And he was probably on the other side of the country at that point. Yeah, I think he was in Tallahassee.
Yeah. And it's just like, I feel all these time where he's acclaiming where he's doing murders. And he doesn't remember what he did on those days. He's probably just on the side of the road drinking with all his tools. He literally was just killing the hornhold man.
He was just getting turned over and over again by that horrible, horrible man. And then two of them together, you know what? Loves never horrible.
“And I asked her, I have to remember that love.”
If there's love there and there's so much violence that we celebrate. Marcus celebrates. It's not celebrating. The fact that love can't celebrate it. Yeah, this is the thing.
But the fact that we don't, like, because it's not what they should all be about. This entire series should be about honest tool finding Henry Lee Lucas. And what that was like for him. I mean, when you see videos of the two of them together talking, the way they look at each other.
It's the only way that bond comes. It's like two bus boys who get too close. We're going to have to fire one of these guys. They're plotting now. See, on his tool, what I also like when I was watching when you interviews
of him, he sits like Maggie Maggie Grace. Like he sits like what's her name? Maggie Smith. Maggie Smith. Yeah.
But he's like her. Yes. Yeah. You know. Yes.
Yep. You could pass. He came back from the dead. He's killed. Yeah.
killed Chris Christoprason. killed the guy from Beverly Hills cop that just. Tiger. He killed. He killed Tiger.
He killed Tiger. Yeah. He wrote. He wrote. Yeah, without his final vindication.
Oh, how cheating is okay. Uh, speaking of sports. Tennessee Titans six. Miami Dolphins three. Oh, it's too much.
It's important. It's important. It's like a game.
Two minutes left in the second.
Wow. Two minutes left in the second quarter. And it's six to three. Between a team that's Owen three and a team that's one and two. God damn.
What a hard Monday night football. What is it? What does it come to? You kind of look like Taggart. Rob.
Yeah. You do a little bit like Taggart. Like a young Taggart? I don't know if this is a compliment. Oh, yeah.
It's so much. I'm telling you, we get you a tan suit. Yeah.
“Wouldn't you dress up like a little police detective?”
Actually, if we ever need to pretend like someone's a police detective, it's going to be you. Yeah. Yeah. You need to try and hold. Yeah, good.
Hey. It's not any Murphy. That's great. Well, the big thing that came out of all of this as far as I Henry Lee Lucas goes is that really like that the nail in the coffin for Henry Lee Lucas being the most prolific serial killer of all time was the advent of DNA test.
Oh, sure.
You mean proof. Yes.
Yeah, proof and evidence.
Yes, sure. Because there was not a single bit of forensic evidence to tie him to any murder. Because another thing going back to day McGown for a bit and the program to kill people. The only person who's death sentence he commuted while he was governor was Henry Lee Lucas. Oh, and oh, some have been lucky.
[laughter] [laughter] Oh, no. Okay, we just ran in here and paid in and gave him stuff and taught him how to be really good at what he did. Yeah.
I don't need it. I don't need it. I don't need it. I don't need it. That's all I did.
That's all I did.
“And provided incredible aviation schools and Florida for his team, honestly, it's huge.”
Yeah. [laughter] But the reason why George W. Bush's community sentence he actually held a press conference was because the evidence against Henry Lee Lucas for the crime that he was convicted for the orange socks killing.
The one that that was the one that he was sent to death row for.
The evidence was not there. All they had was his confession. And that was it. And it was actually provable that he was in Florida at the time of the orange socks killing. I think that without when I think it was, it might have been a paycheck or something like that.
Yes, that was one with the paycheck that pretty much showed that he could not have physically been where the murder happened. Yeah. So he did sort of, but I guess right, you know, of all the people. But you know, Henry Lee Lucas again, he's just sitting there just running for president at the time. He wants to look like a good guy. He was just about someone tipped him off of all the people that look like a good guy.
There's so many who's on the people. Yeah. Carliphate, you could have pardoned Carliphate talk. We talked about that. But the black pill of folk, the Dave McGowan folk, the program to kill folk, say that the reason why George W. Bush community sentence was because Henry Lee Lucas was working for the government.
Yeah, you see that. But you guess what, if they wanted to help you to really look us, you know what they would have done, they would have shot him in the back of the head 30 years ago. That's what they were doing.
“They would have shot him in the back of the head because guess what?”
If there's one thing that that man says, I love a strawberry milkshake. But it doesn't make you a good assassin. Yeah. I feel like there's something about him being probably one of the most flippable people that ever, he's like drunk. Where you go, every movement, every people, he believes the last thing anybody says to him.
Yeah. Otis tool. He thought Otis tool was sexiest man in the world. That's who you want to work for you. He looked at Otis tool.
And he was like, yes, please. I want two slices of it coming my mouth. Is Otis tool still alive? No. He died 96.
He died a 49th of cirrhosis. And he died. Man, it is for he just dis such a fancy southern mentally hand. I've never seen him. He looked like if what's her name from fucking gone with the wind, but the big hat and stuff.
She was like, she was special needs. Like that. That's how he sits. He's got like a big fucking like lacy. What's it?
I'm brought up with a couple of pairs of pairs of pairs of pairs of pairs of pairs of pairs of pairs of pairs of pairs. Yes. I do declare. Ow. Will kiss the snake.
Yes. I knew I was gay when I was an embryo.
“I said, I'm a mammoth pussy and I think you.”
I've been really Lucas. Eventually, they started testing all of these DNA samples that they found. You know, all these DNA samples that have been around for 30 years. And they started testing them against prisoner databases and taxes and various other states. And they just started getting hits just hit after hit after hit.
You know, and really famous cases, too. Like big ones that people made a really big deal about when Henry Lee Lucas's sentence was commuted. There was a group they called themselves Volt, like victims of Lucas tragedies. And they were like very much like they were pissed off at George W. Bush for commuting a sentence. Like this guy needs to fucking die.
He killed my sister. He killed my mother. And so for we've already propped up this whole thing that he's quote unquote murdered hundreds and hundreds of people. Now you're saying sorry. Yeah.
There were literally people like family members who had appointments to watch him die. Of course. Yeah. It's very much so.
I did get so they never rebuked.
So our COVID push so many executions. They're still. They're still making them up. It's so hard. 30% recidivism.
I'm going to let it bring these back out doors. [laughter] So these people like these poor people like they had to be told like hey so yeah wasn't Henry the Lucas.
It was actually this other guy.
But we caught this other guy.
“Sometimes they would catch them not every time.”
But they would have to say like no it wasn't Henry the Lucas. And then when one woman like her sister when it was said like no it wasn't Henry the Lucas. Because like the other people started looking into their own family members cases. And they started seeing like this one woman saw it's like it was kind of like with the necklace. She started reading through Henry Lucas's confession.
And she saw that he said that the woman her mother had a watch bracelet on when he killed her. And then she remembered no we told the police that she was wearing the watch bracelet when she left that day. But they had actually found the watch bracelet in a jewelry box like a couple years later. So it shows it's it's a part of the reason why we talk about a lot on last podcast that serial murderer. It's extremely difficult to prosecute and put together case.
Yes. Because it shows the gap and how hard it is to figure out a quote unquote motiveless crime. Because 95% of homicides are done for direct specific practical reasons and they're done by people that know you. It is such a small percentage of people that get murdered by somebody that they don't know. And it's an even smaller percentage that it was done by a CIA trained.
It's a massive force. It's a massive force.
“It's like it's legitimately like it's extremely small so it's funny in that way.”
They were trying to it actually speaks just much forward. It was because it wasn't one man killing 300 people it was 300 people killing one person each much worse and it's much it's much more difficult to do it also shows how many times. They kill somebody badly and like get it out of their system. How many times that happened? How many times is like they don't become a serial killer.
They're like Eddie Kemper talked about when he first killed he was so disturbed at first at how difficult it was that it challenged him.
It challenged his his urges and so like you kind of wonder how many people are straight up to serial killers want to be. And they walk around and they kill somebody and then you'd like their corpse and at the end of it they're like. And this isn't either. You know what I mean? I thought it was going to be golfing.
I thought it was going to be down dollars. But it's not and it's not this either. They just leave and they leave town. They're just some drifter. All the trucker killers.
All the shit. Well there was actually one of those guys. It was exactly what you're talking about. They found him through DNA.
They found, you know, it was semen in the panties and they test his DNA and there was a hit on the.
I don't know why like you try so hard to not laugh right now. It was just something. It's seen him in the panties. I also I mean I know it's something. It's something.
It's just came out to be smoothly similar to something. I don't know. It's okay. I heard it. I was I was I was I was I was in my head.
I know there's no other way. There's no. Yeah. It's just no other way to say underwear. Underwear.
It's the panties. It shouldn't be. I can do it. I can do it.
“I'm not committering that just that's what they said over and over again.”
Semen in the panties. Semen in the panties. Semen in the panties. I can't wait for someone to clip that out and make it with the EDM song. So through that evidence.
They were able to find a guy who had gone to prison. For something else and you know in Texas when you go to prison. They do the swab. They put you in the database. They brought them in saying like hey you need to do a meeting with your parole officer and
turns out hey here's a couple of cops. And so they start talking to him about it. And the guy is like visibly starting like once he knows what he's there for. He's like visibly upset. Because what the crime it bends that he these kids had run out of gas.
Girl and boyfriend and they were walking on the road. This guy picks them up. He drives them down the road. The kid tries running. He shoots the boy.
And then six times in the head six times in the head. And then he rapes and shoots the girl. And this guy was just fucking more like he was. It was like weighing on him. It was the only time he'd done it.
He's the only it was in it was 30 years before. 1978 or something. 30 years before. And he was like he'd be probably fantasized about it for so long.
Then it would quote unquote fill in his lap.
And then he did it. And then he was like. Oh, no. I know. This is it.
Yeah. This is it.
This is a very bad thing to do.
This this feels really bad. Yeah. I don't like this. But that's not good. That's good.
But you got it. You got it. Think about that. Or before. For you killed your children.
Yeah. You got to go ahead. No, I think about stuff. You just got to go ahead and decide like, OK, I know. Like you're not going to.
Let's not roll the dice. Yeah. On whether or not it's going to feel like a book counter. Like that'll get it out of your system. Maybe.
“I think that that's like one of those things.”
It could help. I wonder how many people are alive because of book counter to that. I mean, just ask me. Yeah.
You know, many people that I haven't killed.
The thing about culture disturbed me about that story or the seeming in the panties. Was the was the fact that her father drove by the two of them walking on the highway. Yeah. And then he didn't think anything of it because he didn't recognize it as a starter. But later on he realized that he did drive past them.
Yeah. Extremely sad. Yes. And a great way to end. Well, I'll end it on maybe a better note.
OK. I don't know if this is a better note. But it's a. They so far have found 20 cases that Henry Lee Lucas confessed to that have now been linked to other people. It's through DNA.
No. No. So it's so. But that's 20. But that's 20.
But that's 20. Two hundred. Twenty out of a thing. Yeah.
Between two and three hundred.
“I think it's how many cases they actually closed.”
But in terms of closure, great. It's not too bad. That's crazy. Twenty. Yeah.
Twenty percent. But it's just. Yeah. But that's just murders. You know, like they just that that's just hits that they fucking did.
But the vast majority of the Henry Lee Lucas cases have not been reopened. And never will be. In 2022, the average clearance rate for homicides of police departments across the country is 52.3. Yep. Wow.
Straight up half. Get solved. So. Twenty percent. I mean, especially for something that from fucking 40 years ago, based off the lies of a buck tooth.
But that's it. They don't. They're just running DNA. Yep. It's not even there.
It wasn't even investigating. And way to run into chimera DNA and we find that if we actually have only one set of DNA or not, we'll find that out soon, probably at some point. Yeah. That's so excited.
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