The DEMONIC Double Standard Behind Jaden Ivey's NBA Controversy!? | Live Free with Josh Howerton

The culture war is interested in you.

“- Oftentimes we tend to think a lot about me,”

but then when you open up the scripture ultimately,

you end up focusing less about you and more about Jesus. - The blood of Abel was crying out for a man's condemnation and the blood of Jesus Christ a descendant is crying out for our acquittal. - Well, hey, Lifri Nation,

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and now enjoy the podcast. - Well, hey, welcome back to another episode of the live free podcast. My name is Carlos Rosso and I'm here. - Let me hear you. - Let me hear you.

- Well, if Pastor Josh was got a fortune cookie and messing with the audio, we also got Paul Coneyham over here coming to you from Lake Point Church in Dallas, Texas and that's great. - It's 8.30 p.m. - Yes, it is.

- I need a fortune cookie. - Hi, bro. - Paul, let's get some red bull for Pastor Josh. - Yeah, that's way, definitely not what he did. - But right now.

- Well, let me read my fortune. - Please do. - What? - Bro, we're at a different team. Josh, that's a different team.

(laughing) - It says, "Nurture your dreams." (laughing) - That's not a fortune. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

- What translation of the Bible is that? - Ah, I don't know. - The message, that's a joke, that's a joke. That's a joke. - Hey, today we're gonna be talking about reasons

to actually not just kidding. Deep dive in the resurrection accounts in the Bible. - We're gonna be talking about the antigence. - Bro, yeah. - We're gonna be dropping some mind-blowing examples

from the Old Testament of that points to Jesus, all the different hidden shadows and types.

- You'll never read the Bible again.

- And Easter eggs. - One might say. - Yeah, ooh, well, bro. - Ah, okay, I just can't joke. - It's gonna be so good that today I brought the high button.

(laughing) - Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. This will come in handy today, so I'm gonna put it right here. I'm telling you, it's gonna be a great episode. - Wait, and then we're obviously, we're gonna also talk

about Bulsplayer J. Nivey get fired. - That's right, that's right. - That's right.

“- For saying that, how would you phrase it actually?”

- He said it, he said that. He said that, the same set, the same basic thing was talking about the Buls asking the players to support Pride Months, right? And him as a Christian going, I'm out and calling it

unrighteousness, and he was fired the next day. So we're gonna talk about the dynamics around that, and then man, I hate to do this, but if we're gonna react to my boy at manual auto, that he was not awesome, so we'll get there.

- Hey man, Pastor Josh, you just preached that your first Easter sermon. - I see who have I did, five of that in a bite. It's okay, if you wanna think about it that, or should I go out?

- Well, he's doing that Carlos, I just want to say, great shirt. - Really, really great shirt. - You know, it's really, it's really good. - And he's talking about just, you know,

we kind of, almost match, you know, oh, he just, yeah, it's just one of the things. - Dude, dude, it's matching. - He was secretly hoping you came up with one, too. - He does the same thing,

this is gonna be kind of awkward and funny.

“- Hey, can I give an announcement to live for your nation?”

- Mr. Lennon, then the list of that been. - Well, first of all, shout out. I just got back from our grandpa's funeral. flew up New York, buried him on the, you know, right outside of the farm there.

I got one of his international harvester hats on from grandpa. 96 years old died on the same farm he was born on. Refused to go to hospice care because he was like, I was born on this land.

I'm a die on this land, they don't make him like that. Related to earnest, Hemingway. - Oh, wow. - Grandpa Hemingway. And, yeah, this is awesome, man. So, rep, rep in the international harvester hat

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- That's amazing. - That's amazing.

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She grew up in a family where her mother was Jehovah's Witness and her father is Kurdish. He was a survivor instead of him. He's saying, "Stick Tatership." So, she did not grow up Christian.

“She wrestled with family loss, panic attacks,”

and high anxiety. Last year, September 2025, she starts listening to the live free podcast and decides to go to Barnes and Noble as to buy her first Bible.

On that day, she gives her life to Jesus. She hasn't had a panic attacks in Zen. She joins, like, put church online. She gets plugged in in her local church. She just got baptized last weekend

with her best friend, Jennifer, who's in the picture as well. And we are celebrating that today, Matt. - Where's her? - Come on. There you go. That's amazing.

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- I don't want to write a book. - Wait, before you get any farther. - Yeah, yeah. - And then we're gonna start talking about the Bible. So I'm really serious about this.

If godly people, if godly people don't, godless people will on Christians and political and governmental engagement. So I'm meant what I said. We are going to leverage the live free nation

to keep an overtly like an actual biblical false prophet from winning a Texas midterm election in James Hellerico.

So here's what we have done.

We have created a landing page. Basically here's a deal. It's somewhere, it's an estimated 40 million evangelical Bible believe in Christians, don't vote. And that's in presidential elections.

It's probably three times that for midterm elections. So let me just, that's an estimated like 100 plus million Christians not voting elections, which, like I said, if godly people don't, godless people, if godly people don't take the driver's seat,

godless people do, so here's what we're gonna do. We're going to leverage the live free nation to try to legitimately flip a Texas election because as of the most recent data, James Sellerico, this all the LGBT, all the trans ideology,

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- Yeah, let's go, man. - Salt to the world. - Salt to the world. - Let's go. - Salt to the earth.

- Pastor Josh, what did it make to the sermon? - A lot. - A lot dude. - All right, let me just-- - By the way, great job.

- Thank you, man. - Great job. - Thank you, man. On Easter, you just want to run it up the middle. Like, you don't mess with that.

You preach the cross and you preach the resurrection.

“So dude, honestly, a lot, I'm going to try to do this fast”

because do there is so much, let's go a little Indiana Jones.

So here's what I wish I had time to do in a sermon like this.

If we could all get in a bus and go over it, it is really together. If you can actually see all the stuff. (laughing) - Really?

I was just, I told you, I told you two things to go. I was just waiting for, I was, I've got, I may have made that heaven over under and how many times we're gonna do this. I was waiting for you.

- I was waiting for you. - I was waiting for you. - Look at Paul. - He had this like, you brought shirt. (laughing)

The tension in the air, just like, change in a second. (laughing) - So let me show all the ways that Paul would have seen. - We're gonna do this really fast. So in here's the big idea, dude.

Once you see this, you just start realizing like,

- Yeah. - Okay. So let's do this real fast.

“We're gonna do it in chronological order.”

First of all, throw that chocolate tree up there, Trinity.

So there's literally, that's the garden of, that's the garden, I guess, so many. There are all of trees grow to be. - We've got first. - You mean, look at me too,

because Paul feels like you're just looking at him. - But go ahead. - How many? - So I made it up here. - 12 trees grow to grow very old.

That is the oldest olive tree in the garden of Guestemity. I don't know if it's the oldest one in the world. That olive tree is over 2,000 years old. Let me put that in perspective. When Jesus is praying in the garden of Guestemity,

that exact tree was alive. I'm gonna just pause and let that sink in. That tree was alive when Jesus prayed in the garden of Guestemity. - Wow. - Now go to that next picture with the dude there.

Okay, that guy's name is Yvall. He's like the greatest. He's a Messianic Jew. He's the best guide in the whole world.

So here's what you're looking at here dude.

This will blow your mind. So, what you're looking at on top of this hand, that is a 2,000 plus year old olive press. From, that's actually not in the garden of Guestemity, but it's around there.

It's an olive press. Now, dude, here's what a lot of people don't know. The word gets 70. Garden of Guestemity, word Jesus, remember. He prays, remember.

This is really important when you come back to this. Prays, how many times? - Three times. - Prays, three times. And on the third time, begins to sweat.

- Bluts of blood. - Dress of blood. - Okay. - And he's obviously praying in the garden of Guestemity. Guestemity literally means oil press.

“That's what the word Guestemity means now.”

Dude, this is gonna blow your mind, okay. So, we're here with you, Valle, Messianic Jew. And he shows us this is oil press. Now, if you can see that little circular stone in there with a hole in the middle.

First of all, whenever Jesus does the whole deal where he's like, anybody that causes one of these a little wants to send, it would be better if they tied a millstone around their neck. That's literally the type of stone he's talking about.

That's a millstone. So, in the reason he says that you could tie one around your neck is because they had that hole in it. So, it's like envisioning like, "Hey, you can make that an necklace, brother."

And jump in the ocean and actually go better for you than if he caused a little little kids to send. All right. So, you've all here and we just saw Guestemity. Means oil press.

Bookmark that in your head. It shows us this oil press. What they would do is they put the olives in the big stone holding and then they would put a big wooden pole through the middle of that sucker and then turn it.

So, then it crushes them. Now, this is really important. They would crush the olives three times and this very clearly historically documented. And each pressing of the olive,

the oil would have different levels of purity and they would be used for different things. So, like, if you go to the store and you buy extra virgin olive oil, what that literally means is it was a virgin,

it was an unpressed olive. And this was the first pressing of the oil, okay? So, the virgin oil, first pressing was used back then for anointing oil. That's a big deal.

If you're anointing somebody, you do that. All right. Then they would run that sucker a second time. The second oil, it was not quite as pure. They would use that oil for medicinal purposes

for healing and light. So, like, on a menorah, that second oil is the type of oil that would light a menorah. - And to clarify, a menorah is...

- That's a seven-pronged candlestick thing, okay? Thank you. Then they would press it a third time just to get the last drops out. And that third pressing of the oil,

what is like, well, what we call a lie, that's the third pressing, okay?

“So, it'd be used for, like, for cleansing, all right?”

Now, bro, just stop thinking about this for a second. Jesus goes into the Garden of Gistemity, which means oil press. How many times does Jesus pray as to quote the Scriptures as the Son of Man is about to be crushed?

How many times does He pray three times? And we just heard that the first pressing was used for anointing oil. The second pressing was used for healing. The third pressing was used for cleansing.

Wow. And then Jesus Christ goes into the Garden of Gistemity. He's crushed for our iniquities, prays three times in His crushing. And exactly what those olives, the oil we're used for,

guess what Jesus does. He is used, he's crushed for our anointing, our healing, and our cleansing. - Wow. - Ladies and gentlemen, the Garden of Gistemity.

- Wow.

- So crazy dude, the Bible is amazing.

- Wow. - Let's keep going, all right. So let's go to this next one, the tree. This is a real quick, you saw on last week's podcast, about what I think is blowing up.

- That's right. - Thank you. - Shout out to Jeremiah.

like two days after ours. - ours was better. - I agree. - I agree with that. - Jesus.

So, you know, he showed the whole helmet of thorns. - Okay, I took this when, you'll see this. - My palm. - I bet it's right. - I bet it's right on my palm.

- I'm sorry. - I'm not the Garden of Gistemity. - This is an acacia tree.

“And so they're all over, right around there, right?”

Where Jesus crucified, and bro, if you look real close, turn into you have the ability to zoom in. Can you do that? Zoom in on those thorns, like, if you can, I don't even know if you can.

Zoom in if you can on those thorns, like, yeah, yeah, you see those zoom in even farther. - Bro, they're like, some of them are literally like, I pulled a couple off, are like six inches long. So, most people think the crown of thorns

was made from that guy right there, which is what Jeremiah showed us last week. Little side note, what this interesting is, God dictated in the Old Testament that the Ark of the Covenant be made of.

- Acacia wood. - Acacia wood. And by the way, let me just point this out. Everything that was contained in the Ark of the Covenant was a reminder of the disobedience of the people.

There is a connection, a lot of Bible scholars think, between the crown of thorns being Acacia wood and the Ark of the Covenant being Acacia wood. And obviously, this thing holding the things

“that reminded of the disobedience of the people”

and that being the curse of the disobedience of the people. That's a fun little fact. Now, let's do another one. Go to that little, this is the stuff dude, I'll wish I could just show everybody

and you never, they didn't make it into a sermon.

Yeah, go to the next little thing, this is the game on the ground. Okay dude, so if you go into, there's two places, one I'm called Antonio's Tower and the other one is the remains of one

of Herod's little palace outposts. And both of them, one of those two places is where Jesus was scourged. So you see both of 'em. And but you literally, you're looking at 100%

one of those two places is where Jesus Christ himself had the flesh raked off his back. I brought it, this is nuts. So this, you can barely see it. If you look real close, you see that little circle right there.

You see little circle and there's some etchings inside the circle. So what this is, they put a glass protective casing

“over this because remember, it's where Jesus was scourged.”

This was called, it was called the game of Kings, not to be confused with Game of Thrones. This is the game of Kings. And what Roman soldiers did is they etched into this little thing in the ground, it was a game with dice,

and they would play this little game, and it was like a board game. Now remember, that thing is on the ground to where Jesus was scourged.

Bookmark that in your head, that's gonna be important in a second.

And what they would do is they played it with these puppets and they would, I don't understand how he explained it, but I didn't understand it. But somehow with these puppets, the outcome of what they did in this little board game

game of Kings, when your little puppet lost bro, they would put a crown on it, they would mock it, and they would execute it. Whoa. And that game is on the floor, in the stone,

at the place in Jerusalem, where Pilate since in Jesus, essentially what our guide was saying is, it is a very considerably more than just likely that the same dudes that were playing this game, they see Jesus and they were like, huh.

So this guy thinks he's a king, and they played the game on Jesus. Wow. So there you go, wow. Now let's fast, I'm going chronologically,

and we're wrapped this up here in a second here. Go to the next one at Pontchus Pilate Stone. So I'll do this row fast.

For years, people like critical,

bubble critical scouts, they were like, ah, the Pontchus Pilate thing was made up figure, just to plug a hole in an narrative, and they needed somebody to do it. Well, sure enough, this is incessory

about a sea of cool spot. They found this guy in 1961, it's called the Pontchus Pilate Stone, and it showed all those guys up, real fast. Because it literally says, that's the stone. It literally says Pontchus Pilate,

prefect of Judea, like, literally exactly what the gospel say. So until 1961, people were like, they probably made up Pilate to move forward, the narrative. And there it is, okay, now let's go to Golgotha.

We're going to come back this in a second. So this is Golgotha. This is the likely spot of Golgotha. Now I'm going to show you here in a second. Obviously Golgotha is where Jesus crucified.

Golgotha means place of the school, place of school. Now you're looking at that and you may be going, "Huh, I wonder why they think that's Golgotha." Let me point out two things. So if you look real, real, real close at that little

retaining wall above it. So this, so I don't have time nor expertise to explain this.

in and around Jerusalem, there are certain spots

that are controlled by Muslims, the certain spots that are controlled by Jews. This spot is controlled by Muslims. If you were to go there, it's like the whole area. If you look, if you're outside the field of the vision

“of this picture down, it's just, honestly,”

it's just a big, it's a, it's a bus station. It kind of, it, you're kind of like, bro, this feels real, you're reference. I don't know. So this is where it is now.

That retaining wall up there, if you look real close, again, it's Muslim controlled. You can see a little riding up there. This kind of thing that takes you off and then makes you pray. So go to the next picture where I zoom in on it, Trinity.

So that's the Arabic. And what the Muslims have done is ride above the place of the skull where Jesus Christ crucified. In Arabic, they have written. Allah is God.

Muhammad is his prophet. Allah has no son. It's essentially a way to taunt Christians. That's what that is. That's a little fun fact.

Now you may be wondering, go back one picture, Trinity.

“You may be wondering, whoa, I wonder why they think”

that's Galgotha. One, we know that Jesus was taken outside the city walls. The gospel cell is Jesus was taken outside the city walls. To be crucified. This fits within walking distance.

You can see right to the temple mount, all that stuff. And it's one of the only places that fits that. But here's the big reason. Is until 1901, this is what that spot looks like. Go to that next picture.

That's it. Now zoom in for me. Can you zoom in on that Skeletor-looking part? Hang on. zoom in, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.

You see it? Okay, you see those two creepy looking eyes. Wow. So dude, look at it. You see the two eyes and then look right below it.

And there's a little outcropping.

“For real, it looks like a dead gum nose.”

It looks like a forehead. Look at that. It looks like a crinkled forehead about those two little eyes. Spot. It's cool.

Yeah. I'm a dude. It looks just like a skull. Wow. Correctly.

Until, basically, there was some kind of like earthquake or something in 1901 that collapsed

part of it. So then, but when I was standing until 1901, everybody was like, that's a spot man. Yeah. And everybody knows that's a spot man. So first of all, just like pause for a second and drink that in.

You're almost certainly right there looking at the spot where the son of God joked to death on his own blood for you. That right there. All right, just let that sink in. Now, I'm going to go to last one, one last thing.

This was just discovered a few years ago. This is the, you know what this is, Paul? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Of course, Chip. Chip. Chip. Chip. Chip.

This is in Rome. It is from what I understand the earliest case of quote unquote Christian graffiti ever discovered. But what's interesting is it's mocking graffiti. Yeah.

So the title of it is Alexa Menos worships his God. Well, actually, let me, I'm skipping ahead. So if you look real close on the left, that's the graffiti, the sketching of the, of the graffiti. On the right, that's like what it, what it would look like just to make it more clear. And it's a, you know, it's a painting of a little Roman dude in front of a guy being

crucified with, and with a donkey said on this dates to from what I understand the second

century. So the 100's AD and it look at that let those letters are at below it. What it says is Alexa Menos worships his God. And essentially what's happening is there was apparently a Christian young man in early Rome named Alexa Menos.

And he worship Jesus Christ. And every Roman person was like, "Bro, no God, whatever die, what kind of God would die for his people?" That way too. And such a Christian crucifixion.

No, you know what? And so they literally drew to mock him Jesus with a, and I'm going to use strongling which on purpose, Jesus with a head of a jackass. As if to say anybody who worships Jesus Christ worships a dead jackass. That's what they were doing.

Now, with that in front of your eyes, I would just like to remind us what 1 Corinthians 133 says, "But we preached Christ crucified a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness

I'm all in that. Amen. Amen. Let's go.

Now let me do one last one and then Paul, I want you to, I want you to comment on that weird

passage in Matthew, where Matthew is the only gospel that says when Jesus died a whole bunch of people were racing the dead and they walked around, just like a zombie apocalypse. And then I want you real quick to answer whether or not Jesus descended into hell, like the Apostle's Creed said that it says that he does. Let me just do one last, this was one that I did.

I had to cut this from the sermon like one hour before preaching it and it really took me off. I just didn't have time to get it in. All right. So, the gospel of Luke, whenever Jesus is carrying his cross to Galgotha and he stumbles

and they pull Simon, and so the Luke is the only gospel that records, it says Simon the Syrinion. It's the only one.

“And you read it and you're like, "Wow, what are they?”

What did they specifically say? He was from Syrin. It's like nothing else ever comes of that. Why did they say that?" Mark is the only gospel that records the names of the dudes to kids, Rufus and Alexander.

Now, here's the question, why is Luke record, "Hey, not just Simon, the one from Syrin." And why does Mark go, "Oh, not just Simon, the Simon whose kids were Mark and Rufus." Well, here's the deal, man, what the New Testament's doing, it's an ancient footnote. So what church history records is that that guy, Simon the Syrinion, eventually became a Christian, became very well known in the ancient church.

So when these dudes are right and all the gospels, they're writing with people, they're trying to convince people. And they don't, you know, it's not like, I don't know, 23 in me, there's not like, go look them up on Facebook. Yeah, no, no.

“So what they did is they're literally putting a footnote, it's like super meta into”

the gospels where anybody that was reading would have gone, well, wait a second, Simon

from Syrin. Yeah. The one whose kids are Rufus and Alexander, I know that guy. And they all would have been, "Oh, I'll just go ask him if this happened." But dude, here's the awesome part.

So if you go to Romans 1613, so at the end of all the episodes where Paul does his little deal or he does a whole farewell speeches and he's saying goodbye to like 57 different people in an area of epistle, by the way, those little names matter. And if you study those names, it gets real interesting real fast. This is one of them.

So in Romans 1613, he it says, "Great Rufus." Ah, it's that guy, it's that guy's kid, greet Rufus and his mother, who has been a mother to me also, and it says that they were chosen in the Lord.

“And he says goodbye to 40, I think it's like 45 different people in Romans.”

Rufus is the only one that he says, "That guy chosen in the Lord." And dude, it seems like what Paul is doing is he's gone when Jesus was carrying his cross and he stumbles, he picks Simon as I want that guy. And Jesus, in his sovereign foreign knowledge, new, not only am I going to say that guy, I'm going to say this son, Rufus too, and Paul is in Romans 16 going, "I know exactly

what Jesus did until Rufus," I said, "Hey." Wow.

Wow. It's awesome. The Bible is amazing. It's also good. It's just a good reminder that

the gospels are not myths. A lot of times we were saying, "Oh, these are dismisses." If you actually go and read ancient myths, they don't read this way. They don't put random dudes and kids names in there. That actually, a lot of scholars have been done in the last 20 or 30 years. They know this is an example of eyewitness testimony that they include little names like this. "Hey, if you don't believe me, go and ask them.

They will attest to this kind of thing." So it's just a reminder that these were real people in real places that saw real things happen. So if we get to, just some proofs of the resurrection, I wasn't going to mention that. But that is actually a perfect example to say, "Hey, this is eyewitness testimony of something that either did happen," or it did not happen.

That's right. Yeah. That's right. It's good stuff. Let's go. Some one of the questions, while it's right. Yeah. So Paul, do you get a wrap in front of these? Because we got a duct tape, no one of those things you left out though. Oh, do it. What do I mean? Okay. So you start your shipment of the great illustration of big reversals that happened. Okay. But you left out

like the biggest one in NCAA history, you jerk. That happened. Listen, over 30 years frequently. I'm going to be ticked at you. Are you going to do it? I'm not going to do it. I really told the team. I thought about having the right to come, but I love my job. And I love you. And that's just wrong. I'm over there as a Duke fan. You're saying this. And all my family, they had to wash and watch that game. I'm like, oh, let's paint

I want you. And I just wanted to at least mention that you didn't leave out the greatest reversal in NCAA history. But yeah, so great. Okay. So. Okay. So thank you.

Here's what we're going to do. Yeah. Paul, I'll fire these two questions. Yeah. That a lot

of people have their weird verses. Yes. That a lot of people have about the crucifixion resurrection accounts. Number one, Matthew is the only gospel that records when Jesus was crucified, right? It's at the crucifixion when he gives up his spirit crucifixion is literally when the curtain is when the curtain is torn and all the times are splitting

“a port of part. Yeah. Then it says that the bodies, do you have the verse in front of you?”

Yeah. Read it. The tombs were also opened and many of the bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep to a raised and coming out of the tombs is a key detail to a lot of people miss after his resurrection. They went into the Holy City and appeared to many. What the heck got Matthews the only gospel. Yep. They records this. What the heck is happening? You got any thoughts on why Matthews the only gospel records it? I'd say that's

a two or three reasons. Number one, one is just the idea of they attest to the reality of what happened. It's like saying, oh, there's one thing to say that, oh, maybe they just hit Jesus' body. But do you have a bunch of people that are rising from the dead that are all of us in a going and attest to find that they're alive? That's really tough to explain, you know, at that point. A second thing is I think it's actually a coming attraction in

a sense. A little bit of a teaser trailer because the idea is that when Jesus rises from the grave, the new creation begins. It's not fulfilled yet. This is the idea of the already not yet that we talked about before. But they did, he usher's in the new creation and the new age where he is going to recreate all things and give life to all things. And so it's almost like, hey, this is when I'm going to do for everybody. The difference would be all

the people that were raised died again in the same way that Lazarus was raised to life. And

he also died again. But when we're raised to life, we will never die again. And we will

“live forever with him. So that's a big thing. But I think it's an interesting little detail”

that it says that the tombs were opened, but that they did not come out until after Jesus had come out. So it's almost like we're like, no, no, we got to make the main thing the main thing. He's the guy who's making all this possible. We're not coming out until he's come out first. Interesting. Yeah. If somebody Paul, that's maybe a little bit more of a skeptic is asking me, wait, something so supernatural. Why is it only in one gospel? Why

did you find in the other gospels? Oh, yeah. I think each of these, any of the gospels, you'll find little details that the other doesn't put in. Sometimes it's fit for emphasis. Sometimes it's just for, hey, they're telling it from a unique angle. Just because it's not in all of them doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. It just means they're just wanting to include a detail. Potentially with the Jewish people, they were really had this

idea that there would only be one resurrection of everybody at the end of the age. The huge change that's introduced is that Jesus inaugurates this new age, but he rises. And so it potentially could be proof to Jews to say, hey, this was legit because only did he rise his resurrection affects other people's resurrection as well. Question number two. Question number two. Okay. So the Apostle's Creed says that

he's crucified on 3rd day. He descended into hell. That's literally the Apostle's Creed. He descended into hell. Yep. So Paul kind of him after between Jesus death and resurrection, did he descend into hell? If so, what he do, if not, what is the Apostle's Creed say that exactly? So we had to say, Jesus died in this human nature. He died. Now it's a divine nature. He did not because God cannot die. But Jesus in this human

nature died, he experienced death. The question to your point is, so where did his so or spirit go to? So two broad views on this question. One is, is that the idea that phrase descended into hell is more of a description of what happened on the cross. On the cross, he experienced hell, but not in hell. He experienced it on the cross. The wrath of God. The wrath of God poured out on the cross. A second view. By the way, I'm more of a

hybrid of these two, is that he did receive that wrath in the cross, but then he descended

into hell. But here's the key thing, not to receive more punishment. Mel Gibson's making

passion the Christ part two, the resurrection. And it's going to be the resurrection, but it's really about the in between is what happened to between. And it really picks Jesus suffering

“and hell. He and are going to have some words. That's what he's making a move about. That's”

about the in between. That's the in between. At least, that's supposedly like it's going to be the huge emphasis because it's like the resurrection wouldn't take a long movie. You know, it's kind of thing. It's like, you've got to fill with some time. So apparently it's going to be what happened in the in between. What's the official Catholic stance on that? The hearing of hell. Basically, he goes into Hades, but to proclaim the gospel,

not to proclaim the gospel to sense of to get people a second chance to repent, but to proclaim the over demons is authority, but then potentially over Old Testament saints to give them a chance. Not to give him a chance, but based on this, he's rescuing them out of Hades kind of a thing. Well, Gibson is like a Catholic Catholic. He's like a pre-vatic

historically it's not been that he was punished because remember when Jesus was on the

“cross before he died, he said it is finished. We don't we shouldn't think that he then”

closes eyes and opened him in hell and said, Oh, never mind. I've got more suffering. No,

no, no. The idea is he would have gone to hell, but to proclaim his victory over demons, but then also potentially, yes, to proclaim the gospel, but to people who were already believers from the Old Testament, I'm a person that's more of a hybrid. I would say he endured the full punishment of hell on the cross, but I am a person who's say he descended into hell, but to proclaim his victory over demons. However, we got verses

for that. Yeah, that's the first Peter that we actually went into a few weeks ago, that we actually went into a few weeks ago, the idea of he went in there to proclaim victory over the evil spirits, the demons. But then we have to also remember, it's not that he then stayed there for all those days because what he also told to the thief on the cross. Today, you will be with me and paradise kind of damn. And so I'm more of a hybrid between those and

so there's a two-prout view stuff. Okay. Yeah. That's great. Lots of, lots of things we could have a click on in that one. I know that we would want to follow up on, but yeah, what about you, where do you're at though on that? Pester? I have no idea. There's a few things, man, or I'm like, I'm totally comfortable going out on Ellen. Yeah. So in just a second, we're about to talk about how literally every single page of the Bible, points to Jesus, but before

Pester got to have a question, do you know, do you know the secret identity of the two disciples in the road to Emeas? Bro, I got no idea. And I'm really fascinated to see what you're seeing.

“So this is honestly like, this is amazing because I thought this was a coolest thing this week.”

So Luke 24, obviously the sermon for those of you that have not checked it out, you're going to go back and listen to it. It was just the first section of Luke 24, right? So when the the spice girls, they go to the tomb. That was great, by the way. That was great, by the way. So right after that, there's a little bit, there's a little section, verse 13 of two disciples that go they're on a road called Emeas and Jesus shows up and he basically does a little Bible study. They initially

did not recognize him and then after eventually their eyes are open. And so I'm about to share with you the secret identity of these two disciples. This is really interesting. So the Bible does not give us the name of both of the disciples, but it does mention one of them and his name

was Cleopis. The other one is not named and so honestly I always thought it was two men,

two dudes kind of walking in and you know two friends may be had. They're leaving Jerusalem, they're you know and then Jesus shows up. According to church tradition in early historians,

“Cleopis was the brother of Joseph who was Jesus's earthly father, which would have made him”

Jesus's uncle. Now hold on John chapter 19 verse 25 mentions a Mary the wife of Cleopis. Now, Cleopis and Cleopis, historians believe they're the same name, different spelling. And so many scholars believe that the unnamed second disciple in the story of Emeas is Cleopis's wife, the end of Jesus. So it is possible that the two disciples were Jesus's end in uncle, which Jesus's end in uncle which means this is a family Bible study with the

risen Lord Jesus. But wait, there's more. If that's true, what happens after? Jesus is about to leave them, but then basically they say, hey, now don't go, stay with us and Jesus does and they have a meal together. So if that's true and then you zoom out of scripture, this is what you see in Genesis 3, Adam and Eve, a married couple, they eat. Their eyes are open and they experience shame. In Luke 24, Cleopis and his wife, a married couple, they eat. Their eyes are open and experience

revelation. Hold on, there's more. Genesis 3, Adam and Eve, they hide from God in the cool of the day. That's evening. In Luke 24, Cleopis and his wife do the opposite. They say, stay with us for it is toward evening. In Genesis 3, Adam and Eve, misunderstand, God's word. They say, they've got to really say, in Luke 24. Jesus helps Cleopis and his wife understand. God's word correctly. This is what God really says. It's about me. This is what Jesus

says we're about to go there in a second. In Genesis 3, God walks with God walks in the garden for confrontation of sin in Luke 24. Jesus walks in him as for restoration from sin. In Genesis 3, Adam and Eve, they try to hide themselves from God in Luke 24. Jesus reveals himself to them. Ask God. In Genesis 3, Adam and Eve are banished from Eden separated from God. In Luke 24, after encountering Jesus, Cleopis and his wife, they go back to Jerusalem to be on mission.

The first meal in Genesis brought the fall, the first meal after the resurrection and new Genesis brought redemption. Wow, come on.

Bro, that's amazing. That's amazing. So there you go. There you go. It could have been.

All right, there you go. So let's see this real quick. Yeah. And then let's talk, Jade and Eve be getting fired from the bulls for being a sane person. So let's let's just look at the passage in Luke 24, the Amazero deal. It honestly, so for our listeners,

will probably be the most important thing for you as a Bible reader. So what Jesus does in

Luke 24 is he rolls up on them and on a maestro, they don't recognize him, which is it's kind of interesting. There's different theories on why glorified body, maybe they were overcome with grief. There's a lot of different theories on that, but they don't recognize him. So then they essentially go, oh, it didn't sure what happened, you know, with the Jesus fellow, and he kind of, he kind of roped up some little bit. Oh, tell me about it. Is this here

the only one who hasn't heard here? The only one who knows. So then, what Luke 24 says is he keeps walking with him and he, it says beginning with the law and the prophets, he explained to them all the things in the law and the prophets concerning himself. What Jesus, so here's both, actually this is not a theory, it is a fact. If you read the rest of the new testament, one of the things that is striking is the entire rest of the new testament is showing how everything in the old

testament was about Jesus and you didn't know it. Basically, bro, the entire new testament is the

extrapolation of whatever Jesus told them in Luke 24 on the M.A.S. Road. That's the rest of the new testament. So here's the big idea for Christian Bible readers. What a lot of Christians do is they read their Bible and they just think, oh man, what I need to do is just read it chronologically and the chronological reading, and by the way, I love chronological reading. Shout out to early Kabul, we love you and all the things. But they're just like, oh, you interpret it chronologically,

you know, read, you know, Genesis and then you get to, you know, the old testament and Jesus and then Revelation, and great, that's how, you know, you get, no, no, that is not how you read your Bible.

“Remember, Jesus said in Luke 24, everything that happened before was about him. That's what”

Luke 24 says. Okay. So here's the analogy. You guys remember the first time you watch six cents?

Oh yeah. Yeah. If you've never seen a six cents, I'm about to spoil the ending, but that's on

you, you've had 25 years to watch it. Right, don't spoil it. I haven't seen it. I am going to spoil it. Thank you. So you see, you see the six cents, bro, and it's the only movie I've ever watched twice back to back immediately. Yeah. Because you see the whole thing. Oh, you haven't seen an inception or, you know, I'm not watching twice back. That's pretty good. I'm only through, you know, you haven't seen it. So you see six cents. You watch home, maybe. Then you get to the,

you get to the, what's the famous line? What's the famous line? I see people. I see dead people. But then you realize, there's that moment where he realized, oh, he was dead the whole time. And then you go back and you immediately rewatch the movie. And now you're interpreting the entire movie through the lens of what was revealed at the end. And the whole, the whole movie takes on a completely different light. That's how you're supposed to read your Bible. Yeah. So the whole test

map ends. Then Jesus shows up. And he does the live death resurrection. And then Jesus goes, oh, by the way, all that stuff, this has been written for the last 4,000 years. Oh, that was about me. And then what a Christian Bible reader does, they go, oh, dang. I need to go back and you start realizing like every single thing that happened was pointing to Jesus and was about

“Jesus. It's kind of honestly, it's kind of like a magic eye. You remember this when you're a kid?”

Yeah, they have magic eyes. I know what you're talking about. How do you say it? Uh, magic eye is in, we're not in the South of Dorian. Boyle and Megra, maybe? I could mean it. How? I mean, it's a black ball, right? It's a black ball, right? No, it's, it's, we don't have magic eye. Oh, no. Oh, we don't do source for you and also number. I don't, we don't know what you're talking about. Magic eye, magic eye, magic eye.

You said something, Negrin. Yeah, it's a black ball. He's lost in translation. Magic, what are you talking about? I don't know. No, yeah, I see what you're talking about. I was, he was something completely different. I thought it was magic eye ball. I thought it was it's the art that if you like look at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we do. We do. We do. You see it different. Yeah, gosh, that reached the, you know,

the far corner of the world. Yeah, I think it was a magic eye ball. I was, I was just understanding. That's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's kind of like that where once you see it, you can't unsee it. That's right. Got it. So we could, literally, it would take years. Yes. Multiple podcasts for us to show how everything in the Old Testament is like a mind-blowing six cents moment. Oh, that was about Jesus. You guys just want to round rope and some of the best ones.

So then what we're going to do for listeners, once you hear how we do this,

“which, by the way, is the pattern of the New Testament, this is how you need to start reading”

your old Testament. Okay. So you just want to round rope and I'm, how do you want to do this?

draft. Okay. I'm going to go, I'll do this. We're going to wrap it fire. Yeah. All right. So first of all,

you obviously have in Genesis 1, 2, 2 and 3 Adam and Eve sin. They hide in their shame. Theologians call it's Genesis chapter 3. God starts chasing them when they're hiding in their shame. Theologians call it the proto-evangelion, which in Latin means first telling in the gospel.

“And remember what God does. He walks up to him. He finds an innocent animal,”

slays the innocent animal, uses the skins from the slain innocent animal to cover their sin and their shame. Sound familiar, my friend. All right. Now think about that. Again, you go, once you go back and read the Old Testament through the lens of Jesus, you're like,

what? All right. So that's one. I'll do another one. It also in Genesis 3,

God, when he's pronouncing the curses on Adam and Eve, he tells Adam and Eve, he's like, hey, so here's a deal. One day, one of your offspring and offspring is singular. One of your offspring is going to come. And the serpent is going to strike at his heel, but he's going to crush their head. So you're going to have a, an offspring that becomes a serpent crusher. And then Jesus comes and Jesus is a offspring of Eve, be the serpent strikes to this heel.

That's he obviously in the crucifixion and see the Bible says that he triumphed over the demons, Satan and the demons putting them to open shame. He crushes the serpent. Okay. So there you go, point Jesus. I'm going to do one more. You got one? I was just, Hebrews 2, 14. That through death, he might destroy the one who has the power of death, Romans 15, 20. The God of Peace will soon crush Satan where under your feet. Okay. Actually, let me, let me do two, two other quick ones,

two other quick ones. I'll do one. There's a bunch in Genesis. Oh, yeah. So after Abel, cane kills Abel. And there's that verse. Hebrews, Hebrews does this super inception meta thing with

“this verse. So Genesis is God comes up to cane that just killed Abel. And he's like, where is your brother?”

And he's like, Mama brother, keep her. I said that to my mom one time when I was a kid. She was like, hey, are you specific? Look after your brother. How's like, Mama, my brother's keeper. She's like, you know who said that? King killed his brother. All right. So anyway, so then you remember what God says to to cane. He's like, the blood of your brother is crying out for your condemnation. And the book of Hebrews says that the blood of Jesus who is the second Adam innocently slain. It says that his

blood cries out from the ground and speaks a better word. So where, so the blood of Abel was crying out for a man's condemnation. And the blood of Jesus Christ, a descendant of Adam canable, a descendant is crying out for our acquittal and forgiveness. Okay. Again, you read everything through Jesus and it's like, let me do, let me do one last one that I'll give you all a turn. And then we'll just wrap it fire round robin this thing and then we'll talk Jake and I've been

shut her down. So here's one of my favorites. So Genesis 22, you got Abraham and Isaac. And we all know

the story. Take, you know, take your, I've shown them over the read the verse. So here's what God says.

Listen, really close to the verse. There's something in this verse, people don't notice. And it's a big deal. Take, God comes to Abraham. As I say, hey, take your son. You're only son whom you love. Hey, hey, hey, just take to Abraham. Once you take your only begotten son whom you love.

“Well, this is starting to sound a little familiar. Isaac, now this is important. Here's a”

people miss. He didn't just say, and walk up the closest mountain you can find. He says, and go to the region of Mariah. Now I studied this years ago. And if I remember right, Mariah was like 80 miles from where it was. So Abraham would have been going, well, dad, gosh, mountains all over the place. Why can't I just walk up one of these? Guys, I'm like, no, no, I want you to go to the region of Mariah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering. And there's a specific mountain on a mountain that I will show you.

So the thing about your Abraham, you're walking around. You get to get on your back. He's your son. You're only son whom you love. You're walking 80 miles and you're like, why the heck am I walking past all these mountains to this region? And you get there. And then somehow that we don't know, God shows him one specific mountain. Side note for all the listeners. You have already seen a picture of the mountain. They got showed him in this podcast. He shows him one specific mountain. He's

like, I want you walk up that specific mountain. And I want you to sacrifice your son. You're only son whom you love up there. Now remember, Isaac, he puts this is crazy dude. He puts the wood

son that the father loves with wood on his back. Son's got to carry the wood on his back up the hill

“where he's going to die. You get me. He gets up there and remember as soon as he's about to kill him,”

God's like, hey, dang, stop. And there's an innocent animal, little ram in the thicket. And he's like, want you kill that thing instead of your son. So there's a substitutionary sacrifice or atonement. Now, bro, this is nuts. Guess what region the Mount of Golgotha is in. Mariah. Guess what mountain? God told Abraham to walk like 80 miles to go find and then show him when he got there. Almost certainly. Golgotha. Bro, are you kidding me? I was going to say,

you're four of us now. I'm Oregon. Oh, no. So I've got a quick one because I've got no this going to take a few minutes to cook. So I'll do a quick one then you can you can take it for

okay. So I mean, Satan went to Adam and Eve basically he tried to get them to take and

eat, just led to the fall of humanity into sin and trinity world when Jesus went to the cross to undo that the night before what did he tell us this episode to do. Take and eat and at the last supper at the last supper. I need to add to that. Golgotha. Adam disobeyed in the garden of Eden. Jesus obeyed in the garden, I've got so many. Adam was naked in the garden and was filled with guilt and shame. Jesus was crucified naked on the cross and took upon himself

that guilt and shame. After Adam sin, the ground produced thorns as part of the curse. After Jesus obeyed, he wore a crown of thorns asking taken upon himself to curse of sin. Adam's side was pierced when God took one of the ribs to create Eve and Eve came back to the game to life. Jesus's side was pierced and out came blood and water and from that the church came to life.

Adam, like you said, took from the tree and sin enter into the world. Jesus, the second Adam

didn't take but he gave himself an entry in salvation enter the world. Eve ate the fruit in when God confronted Adam. He blamed the woman and since God has said that the wages of sin is death. Adam was essentially saying, "God don't kill me, kill her." In the story of Jesus, when he came to the sin of his bride, the church, Jesus, the last Adam said, "God don't kill her, kill me." That's a gospel.

That's real. That's so good. Now, it's kind of just points of an out. Whenever you start doing stuff like this for every like boarding in Christian, your heart starts to burn within you. Yeah.

“It's Luke 24. Yes. Did not our hearts burn within us? Has he opened the scripture to us?”

Like once you start learning to read the Bible through what Theologians call a crystallological lens, that is when it detonates like a nuclear bomb in your soul. Yeah. And even like to give an example of how even I was boring if things can do that. Let's be honest. When we're doing our Bible reading

a lot of people who start and they've never done it before, they usually do decent through Genesis,

everything. But then you get to access the first part is really good. And then eventually you get to where they tell them how to build the Tabernacle. They know like, "Oh, my gentle Jesus, are you kidding me, kind of a thing?" It's really okay. There's all these descriptions of the Tabernacle and it fills really boring. All that speed read two times that if you're listening to it, whatever. But actually the Tabernacle is really cool because in part what it's doing is recreating the Garden of Eden. And

almost every Christian misses this. So let's think about the Garden of Eden for a second. So when Adam and Eve sin, they are kicked out and they are kicked out towards the east and they go towards the east. And then what does God do to guard the tree? That is in the Garden. He was flaming tree. He puts chair of him. It says chair of him at the front of the garden. And so there's no way to get back into the presence of God except wait, God does provide a way to get back into the presence of

God through the Tabernacle. We actually have a drawing to kind of show and help people see what is happening

“here. Because when you go into the Tabernacle, you're going into the presence of God and you have to”

come from the east towards the west and what do you have to go through? Cherubim that are on a veil. You have to pass by a menorah. A menorah was the way on the veil on the veil. There was woven Cherubim. I forgot that. Yeah. It's interesting. It keeps going. Okay. Yeah. It keeps going. So then you've got that menorah. It has seven. That's going to be important in a minute. But what is it kind of just look like if you looked at it real quick? A tree. And in fact, it has almonds and branches woven

into the gold so it looks like a tree. And then you have to go into the Holy Holes. But to do all of this,

recreating literally the Garden of Eden. And so you had this Tabernacle. I think we actually have a picture though of what the encameter around it would have looked like. No, let's go. Yeah, that one and the

kitman of Israel. Yeah. This is amazing. So this is what it would have looked up. Okay.

Oh, now if you're watching this and you're a Christian and you're and the red lights aren't flashing on your dashboard, you're you're not safe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you may be like the two. It really was the end of the circle that makes the fact that they didn't recognize Jesus even funnier. By the way, it's like it might be kind of like one of those situations right here. Wow. So here's the Tabernacle that was in the middle of the camp. The presence of God in the middle of

camp. And but what you have if you're if you're not watching this is literally when the camps would set around it, it would make it into the shape of a cross. Yes. And we know this because God dictated exactly on which side of the Tabernacle each of the 12 tribes were supposed to camp. And

“the scriptures record the number of people in each tribe. Exactly. That's how we actually know”

it was a dead gum big cross with the presence of God at the middle, wandering through the wilderness.

And here's what's so cool that I think this is pointing to is that the Tabernacle did

give the ability to get back into the presence of God but for only one person on one day a year. But when Christ died, it talks about eventually the Tabernacle became the temple. It talks about how that curtain was torn into so that now all could have access to God for all time if they placed their faith in Jesus. Yes. But it gets even better because the Tabernacle shows up in another place in scripture, but you have to really look hard for it. It shows up in the book of

Revelation, but I need to show you something else to help you see it. Go to the one that has the tribes and the banners. This is also a depiction of tribes and banners just to the left of what you just clicked on. There you go. This is another depiction of how they would have camped around it. They put them side by side to fit it on one page. But at the heads of the different kind of

“cardinal directions, you had different tribes that would have had different banners at them, right?”

So you had one like an eagle, a lion, a man, and an ox at these four. So if we go to the book of Revelation, it says this around the throne. Remember, at the Ark of the Covenant would have been the idea that's the throne of God. On each side of the throne are four living creatures, full of eyes and front behind. The first living creature like a lion, the seventh living creature like an ox, the third living creature that's face of a man, in the fourth living creature like an eagle in

flight. So the idea is this, is that because what Christ did in the Cross, we do have access to the present of God now. But it's not an inhibited, because we still live in a world of sin and shame. But one day, we will be gathered around the throne of God, just like the Israelites were, and we will be on the uninhibited access in presence of God, just like Adam and Eve were before the sentence. Wow. Wait, while he's doing it, let me go a layer of deeper on this. Come on.

Because there's so much here. So day of a tournament. Obviously, literally, I call it a tournament. A tournament is a big word, just break it down. It means at one minute. How do you make two people who are at odds into, you know, one reconciled at one minute? So on the day of a tournament, high priest, obviously. He, first of all, he would take two, it was two goats. So you got an innocent animal. Again, we're just teaching you. We're teaching you man. Listen, we're teaching you how

to read the whole Bible to where it's, it's just a series of mind melts and points you to Jesus. Okay. So he takes two goats. One of them is called the scapegoat. Remember what he does. They confess and place the sins of all the people on the scapegoat and send it out of the wilderness to literally physically, visually show. They got a separating you from your sins as far as the East is from the West.

“That's why he's showing. And then number two, he's the other one. They killed the other one.”

The other go, go, go, they take innocent animal, they take. Then he would sprinkle the blood on the mercy seat, which is, whether it's thing on the top of the ark of the covenant or the presence of God dwells. So think about this. And what's inside of the ark of the covenant? One of the things, you have the broken tablets of the Ten Commandments from where the people disobeyed. So think about this. He sprinkles the blood over the ark of the covenant with the broken Ten Commandments inside of

it. Why? So that God from heaven, when he's looking down, he's not seeing your broken commandments. He's seeing the blood covering the broken commandments. So dude, again, all this, you just start going like, well, that's Jesus. And that's Jesus. And that's Jesus. And that's Jesus. And that's Jesus. And it's the whole Old Testament is watching the six cents the second time. It's amazing. I think you just as a practical thing around this, just four helpful questions that

I think people can ask whenever you're reading the Bible. I, to be able to get stuck, ask these four questions. It's a nice little grid, especially if they're not in to read the Bible. First question is, hey, what did this mean to the people who'd received this in their time? Like, what was God trying to say to the people in their time kind of a thing? That becomes important if you try to apply the Bible in your life because if you start having

it say stuff to you in your time, that they would have never read in their time, you're probably

off kind of a thing. Number two, hey, are there any truths in here that are true for all time?

Number three, what does this mean for me in my time? Here's a key, when though, I did not say, what does this mean to me? With all due respect and all love and grace, no one cares, especially God, what the passage means to you, okay? And that does not matter.

“What it means to you is what did it mean for the people who received it?”

Man, what does it mean for all time? And then what does it mean for you in your time? What does God trying to speak to you right now wherever you're at? This is what you're applying to your life. It doesn't matter what it means to you. It does matter what it means for you. Exactly. How should I respond to the truth that is in the Bible? But then number four, how does this point to the author of time? Jesus Christ.

And off, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we got four, four times. Oh, sorry, you're going to try to make for us.

Because if you only do that first one, if you only say, hey, what does this mean to the people in their time?

That's just a history lesson. If it's a, what does this mean for all time? That's a theology lesson. If it's only, hey, what does this mean for me? It's going to be an adventure and missing the point, like for example, I'm new to someone. One time, who, man, they're reading the Bible, they're reading the book of Exodus, and it got to the point where the Pharaoh said, hey, I'm actually going to take away your supplies,

“but you got to make justice much if not more. And the person said, I think this is just God tell me, I have to see to work harder.”

And I also, and I love reading the Bible just in this Pharaoh's the bad guy, not the guy you want to emulate here. So it's just an example, though, because they left out the first two, they got the third one wrong. But then it's like, hey, at the end of the day, man, you want every passage of Scripture to point you to the one who is for all time, the one who is at the center of the whole story. And that's Jesus Christ. So just for helpful questions

for you, I was reading the Bible. You ever heard about that guy who said, Lord, speak to me, he grabbed the Bible, and then he opened it and he went to Matthew 27, five, and it says, then Judas went and hung himself. And then he said, oh, no, that's definitely not a, I'm going to try again, and he went to Luke 10, 37,

and then he found going do likewise. And then he said, no, no, no, there's no chance of third times the term.

And then he landed on John 13, 27, what you're about to do, do we go to Italy? This is all prejudiced. I'm using that thing. Like 10, 40 times. Good old, good old, try and true. You're saying, you're saying, Paul, don't do that. Don't jump to number three. I do those first two questions first, and then I can have you. I do one last one, please. All right. Do you have one or do you have another one,

but let me, let me wrap it up. Yeah, okay. Let's wrap it fire. I'm, and then we're going to talk Jade and Ivy and this stuff. All right. So Abraham, obviously Abraham's in Sodom. Lots over there. Abraham comes. This is one of my favorite ones. This is one of my, oh, dang. I didn't see that. And now I totally see it. Abraham's in Sodom. And he knows a lot, it lots families there. His, his, his, his boy. And so he starts interceding to God. Abraham is functioning as a mediator between sinful

man and a Holy God. And remember how he starts praying? I love this. I remember how he starts praying. He's like, hey, God, if I can find 50 righteous people, will you spare the whole city on the behalf of 50 and guys like deal? And I'm just like, oh, what about 40? God's like deal. 40. He's like, oh, what? 30, 30. What if I just found 30? God's like, absolutely Abraham. Deal. Abraham is going to 20. God says deal. Abraham gets down to last request he makes. He says, what if I

can just find 10, just 10 righteous people and God, I just imagine God almost with like a knowing look on his face about what's going to happen in 2000 years. God's like Abraham, if you can find 10

righteous people, you bet y'all spare him. But Abraham never continues his prayers because what Abraham

could have done is he could have gone what about 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2. And then Jesus comes, who is the offspring of Abraham, the news has been says. And Jesus is functioning as a mediator between sinful man and a holy God. And I think essentially what Jesus does is he picks up Abraham's prayer and he looks up at heaven and says, what about one? Hmm. If I can give you one righteous man, can I plead the blood of one righteous man to save all the people? And I think God is essentially

“picking up Abraham's prayer and going, you bet. Wow, you bet I can and that's how Jesus saved us.”

That dude, we could literally do this for hours. Yeah. I'm like no joke, like we could do this for hours and do not do not your heart's burden within you. It's just what it does. So for all of our listeners, man, when you're reading the Old Testament, I want to just verbal highlight some Paul said, and then let's wrap this up, talk and Jade and I've been getting fired for saying just a normal Christian thing. You know, yes, like Paul said, when we read the Bible,

we want to ask, okay, God, what does this mean for them? What does this mean for me? I cannot encourage you strongly enough when you're reading the Old Testament to ask the third question.

becomes like a nuclear bomb in your lap. Yes. Didn't will not your heart's burden within you. And there's freedom to know as well. Man, like oftentimes we tend to think a lot about me, but then when you open up the scripture, ultimately, you end up focusing less about you and more

about Jesus and man, there's just something so free about that. So much, dude. Amazing. All right,

let's, let's talk NBA players. Let's come on. Getting fired for saying things that Christians have believed for 2,000 years, 5,000 of you include the Old Covenant. But so here's the deal. And

“the reason I want to bring this up is this honestly brings up something that I would say a majority”

of Christians in America, like have to ask where they work in their workplace. So here's the backstory on this. Jade and I'm a NBA head. So Jade and I've been with a lottery pick. Like Jade and I've been with a legit NBA draft pick. He wasn't drafted by the bulls. I can't remember who he's drafted by, but ended up in the bulls. So it starts here. Jade and I've been after a pretty rough past was apparently radically saved if I'm understanding the part says correctly. Guess radically saved.

Then he's doing like an Instagram live. And essentially what he's doing, we're going to show it

to you in a second. What he's doing is he's pointing out that honestly, I've always wondered like,

I've always thought, oh, I would get fired from any professional sports team and that's not just

“because of lack of talent. Because they make these guys during June, they make like all of them,”

they make all these guys where all the LGBT, all the pride flag stuff. And I always been like, dude, if you're a Christian in the league, how are you going to handle that? Like, so Jade and is very fairly in this Instagram live kind of sounding off on this phenomenon and the problem at Christ for his Christian. Now watch what he says. Check, let's do this first. The world can proclaim LGBTQ. Right. They have, they have, they proclaim pride months and the NBA. Yeah, they proclaim it.

They show it to the world. They say, come, come, come join us for pride for pride month to celebrate unrighteousness. That's it. Okay. Now you're good. You're good there. Now, okay. So he says this,

join us for pride month, celebrate unrighteousness. First of all, that's 100% true. That is a very

“basic biblical application. That is 100% true. So then the very next day, it took less than, I think”

it was like 15 hours. Bulls post this on their Instagram account. Chicago Bulls announced today that team has waved guard, Jade and Ivy due to conduct detrimental to the team. Immediately, like, didn't even take one day. Now, I want to point out a couple things about this. First of all, you've got players all over the NBA who who have beaten their wives, who have been found guilty of domestic abuse, who have made, I mean, like I actually looked at others like 60 examples. It's

not awesome. All of them still got their jobs. But you say one thing that Christians have believed for 2,000 years or 5,000, including the old covenant, you've gone in a day. Now, I'm going to show you, here in a second, I want to show you how people that call themselves Christians, but are either on purpose or accidentally planned for the other team, how they respond when a Christian with convictions and courage acts like a Christian with convictions and courage. But I just want to point

out a couple things about this and then I love hearing thoughts and then we'll respond to a manual shot real quick. First of all, to my fellow, I know we got a ton of pastors that watch this podcast. I just want to gently, but firmly encourage pastors. Pastors have like an Ick. There's a huge Ick factor among pastors. I'm talking to like my, this is like insider baseball real quick. Everybody else is listening to it. There's like a huge Ick factor among pastors for like leaning in on

what are called quote unquote culture war issues. I would just like to remind every pastor that's watching this is that you are literally the only person in your entire church who has the luxury of avoiding quote unquote culture war issues. Because you get to live in a $5 created bubble by the generous giving of your people and they actually have to walk out the door and work in actual real world offices and risk of their jobs where they're faced with questions and issues like that

expect your people to have convictions and courage in their workplaces when you won't have convictions and courage in your pulpit. So I just gently want to remind pastors who tend to have an Ick factor about like talking about issues like this because I don't want to sound like a culture warrior or I don't do it. Well amen here's a deal you may not be very interested in the culture war the culture war is interested in you and the culture war is interested in the people

that God puts you on this planet to shepherd and protect. So I just gently want to like use this as a moment to say like hey man do your job be well and lean over the plate be well and to go

“over the middle and you may take a few hits but that's okay that's what we signed up for and again”

the courage of your people is never going to rise above the courage of their pulpit and their

pastor. So number one I just want to point that out. Number two and three also want to point out there is a again it's a very demonic double standard. So what you got is players can rob their families and they can beat women they can make very open very openly anti-Christian comments from both players and coaches I have some examples I won't use them for the moment very openly they can make extremely polarizing political comments you know commentary on things like BLM or how ice our murderers

and do it like this is stuff this will happen zero consequences but the second somebody voices a Christian belief about marriage and sexuality you got you got. So I just want to point out the demonic double standard okay I also just want to gently point this out and I I'm not an idiot

“for people listen to podcasts I just want you know I'm not stupid and I'm not unselfaware I know”

that what a lot of pastors say about me is oh Josh went off the rails and he started getting

political okay there's a million things that I could say about that what the biggest one I want to

say is hey man I didn't start getting political politics started getting spiritual because when you have issues like that and people when you address them people call you political you know man all I did is just open my Bible and apply it to the world that my people have to deal with so what I want to point out with and you can call me partisan all you want I don't care I just want to point out the reality to Christians who and every Christian should engage the political process I just gently

want to point out man you can say all you want oh the gospels neither right nor left or the okay the gospels neither right nor left but the gospel is about right and wrong and there is a moral asymmetry but in the current political taxonomy and stuff like that that gets Christians fired or makes makes it impossible to be a publicly uh conventional Christian in a workplace stuff like that only comes from one political side I'm sorry man it's just reality there's only one political

side that does stuff like that so like as a Christian we need to acknowledge reality and play the game that has been handed to us and acknowledge it reality now last thing I want to say is uh here's what I want to point out and I want to talk about this I want to respond to Emmanuel Ocho real quick it is not a coincidence the in the Old Testament the demonic false gods in the Old Testament are very frequently they mix their demonism with sexual perversion you all right over there yeah I was

sorry they mix their they mix their demonism with sexual perversion so when you're reading the Old Testament about the gods like mullick ashara by the way all ashara is in the Old Testament a lot of people don't know this all ashara was whenever you see in the Old Testament it talks about the ashara poles and high places this can sound row gross but like this is just what the Bible is all it was was a massive phallic symbol that these people who worship this demonic false god of ashara

is honestly I'm just gonna set a few of them got a mom with kids in the car like just mute this for five seconds real quick if anybody's not picking it up like all those were like giant penis statues that they would worship and do extremely sexually degraded things around in demonic in demon worship in the New Testament when it talks about the revelation chapter three mentions Jezebel that was apparently some kind of demonic spirit because it's referring back to something

happening the book of Kings the Old Testament but it's saying hey the same things happen in the church so it's demonic spirit and it says that what that demonic spirit does is it's quote teaches

“and seducers my people to practice sexual immorality so what you need to understand is what demons do”

is they mix with sexual perversion and they create demonic false sexually perverse and degraded

religious expressions so dude here's the thing and I get crushed every time I tell you this

we get crushed but it's like we just need to help people understand the spiritual realities

movement like take over like it literally took over our culture in two decades like two and a half decades how did that happen because it's a demonic thing and it functions like a religion so think

about this for a second LGBTQIA all those things it's a religion it's a religion of demonic

sexual perversion every letter in the LGBTQIA plus functions like a denomination of the religion and if you like thinking people have started asking themselves like ha why are they like so passionate about having drag queens read books to little kids in libraries why are they so passionate about why are they so passionate about having like gay porn books lip gay porn literature books in elementary schools and they lose their minds when people want to take extremely graphic

homosexual perverse books out of kids elementary schools why are they so passionate about this well here's why because eventually every religion has to get into children's ministry

“that's why now let me take it a step further here's what like what good Bible readers”

got to learn to do is let me take the word and use it as a taxonomy to overlay on the world

that's in front of me so here's the deal man and Christians are not good at like making this connection here's a deal every religion has its Pharisees usually in our culture when people hear the word Pharisee they think of like super conservative Bible thumper that's angry at people all the time and by the way there are horrible awful satanically empowered people with bubbles in their hands and thumpen on and being agents of condemnation absolutely but honestly dude in our culture so who

who are the Pharisees the Pharisees were people who had serious political and cultural power they were the cultural elites of their day and they enforced the cultural hegemony the cultural

orthodoxy that was there and if anybody crossed them yeah they was like dude we're gonna trouble

we're in trouble man no grace no grace no grace right now dude it's uh it's people in that movement

“like like for honestly here's the best way to say it honestly secular progressive people are the”

modern day Pharisees of our culture they force and enforce a rigid orthodoxy on the surrounding culture and if you cross their line and you apostysize from it they will judge you damn you ex-communicate you and make sure you get fired so you just got to start learning to like put the spiritual realities together you're dealing with the religion religions are spiritually empowered either by the Holy Spirit or unholy spirits and every religion has its Pharisees

those are the Pharisees it was interesting for we get into the video you know you mentioned a lot of different passages Romans one is so in treating on this one because Romans one is often pointed out where this is where Paul explicitly says not like any kind of homosexual behavior is not honoring to God it's not God's design but what does he address just before he does that he addresses idolatry right and he says because they were not willing to worship God as he actually

is he gave them up to dishonorable passions literally what it says and so but think about what Paul and in a leather place in Corinthians says idol worship is as the worship of demons that's right and so the idea they're not worshiping God correctly and so God hints them over and so literally says and this is actually pretty close to what Jordan said and since they did not see fit to acknowledge God God gave them up to a debase mind to do it not not to be done they were filled with all

manner of unrighteousness so he's pretty much just floating around and he's exactly what Romans one says yeah so I just I just that was an intriguing connection and let's make there yeah

“remember what it says so he says at the end of Romans one check this out now before I read the first”

remember what Jordan ivy's objecting to his man they're making me as a Christian be a player celebrate and promote pride month they're making me get I'm gonna use this language they're making me publicly give approval to those who practice this unrighteousness now that in mind let me read Romans 132 though they know God's degree that those who practice such things deserve to die and it's just talking about sinners sinners in general sin deserves death

they not only do them but they give approval to those who practice them yeah every culture war is a spiritual war in this case that's bro that's a thing so like if for pastors who are listening I get this all the time like I you know don't you don't lean into the culture culture wars my brother it's called a culture war it's actually a spiritual war

what I want to help people understand because every Christian is gonna get faced with stuff like this

like the jade and ivy thing that's a microcosm of what I won't use any names what men and women in our church have had to happen to them and again no names but like we have multiple NBA players

“that listen to this podcast so it's like helping guys how do I think about this okay how”

do I think about this so check this out this is a manual also who's a sports commentator he's a I think is he is being guy he calls himself a Christian and I you know I don't want to go too hard on him but on on this big big swing in a mess the reason I want to do this is he's commenting on that jade ivy deal the reason I want to do this is whenever you as a Christian begin to live by your convictions what you are about to see is what all the lukewarm Christians around you

are going to start saying about you so I want to help unacculate you to what 1,000 percent

is going to happen to you from people who call themselves Christians okay so check the check the zeal scuffer there is freedom of speech but freedom of speech does not necessarily mean freedom of consequence I also will remind everybody starting from the sports perspective your talent will make room for you if data ivy was averaging 20 points in ten assists right now 20 points in ten boards right now we probably wouldn't be having this conversation but because in

January of 2025 he broke his left fibula and then in October 2025 he had arthroscopic knee surgery and then again he's missed the last two weeks he had missed starting in February 21st after getting traded from the Detroit Pistons to the Chicago Bulls as a result after 11 points in three assists his talent is not making room for him plus if you're in the training room we do not pause pause pause so he said is your talent will make room for you listen man here here's my big deal

what I would say is yes Emmanuel and your righteousness will make rewards for you who's team do you care the most about being a star on so like this is basic parenting 101 like when my kids come home and they're they're using words like cool and popular what Jan and I immediately do is like cool in whose eyes popular in whose eyes in God's eyes or in some fourth grader this a fool and and is a godless fool at that yeah so it's like he it's like what I want to say is

man he sent your talent to make room for you yeah and your righteousness will make rewards for you and praise God for a Christian that cared more about living by his convictions and seeking eternal awards than quote unquote making sure you're talent so make sure in for you so what I say is man who's team you trying to make and who's who you trying to earn reward from yeah

“what I think with this is it's like when I hear them like sorry you saying that if he was doing”

that it'd be okay for me to do that so if he was born 20 and you said that you'd have no problem with it then yeah if like he was in the domestic response question would have some like start with that kind of to me kind of feels like a nonstarter because I'm like I get what are you saying in terms of the practicality of it but the same time so you're saying so then everybody would be okay

with it when the reality is for you and I both know yeah everybody would not be okay with this

we still have the double standard but now I do think there would be a double set I do think like like like both like Seth Curry or somebody said that like you would not see the team cut him in 14 hours five hundred and five hundred that's right yeah that's right it's just a reality alright let's keep on what you see this what's it certainly want to hear from you we want to just see you recovering so from a sports perspective starting there athletes you know your talent

makes room for you the talent starts to diminish we do not want to hear you more than we see you that's number one this is nasty number two this is nasty I don't like the past that Jaden IV is going down and the reason I say this is this number one Jaden IV's been through a lot if you hear what he's talked about he was sexually molested as a child he had a poor in addiction while he was married he's self-admitted that he was abusive towards his wife and his children pause

“yeah that's why he hates perversion it's like I just want to pause and say that like like my”

dad was saved out of alcoholism my dad has a unique hatred for alcohol what you're pointing out is this this you're just going oh this is this guy to have this conviction because he came it's like bro that's why he hates it he's seen what perversion and degradation can do to a man of course he has a care about it now what I really don't like is watch what happens here he starts questioning the guys mental stability check this watch these are all J90's words not my own

and so Jaden IV is also acknowledging like he's a struggle is struggling individual that has struggles let me acknowledge that acknowledge the emotional and the interpersonal aspects as well

now let me talk about the biblical aspect of it yeah pause for a quick so he's obviously he's

“alluding to the whole mental hell thing so this is and I've seen this if you if you have seen this”

where people are starting to like maybe has some mental hell issues that kind of thing first of all

he may I don't know yeah I don't know I've seen no evidence of that so if it comes out later then okay whatever but I do just want to point out there is a double standard here and here's a double standard and this is kind of thing just keep camera on me so they don't get in trouble this is just me what I want to point out is so think about what's happening what you have is a Christian heterosexual man a Christian heterosexual man they're saying

that that same sex sexual activity is unrighteous that's all he said we played the clip that's how he said as a result people are gone that guy probably has mental health issues now let me just remind us until 1973 in the official DSM manual in the United States homosexual orientation same sexual orientation was classified until 1973 as a mental health disorder in 1973 they changed it they changed the name of it to they reclassified it as quote unquote sexual orientation

disturbance it stayed in the DSM as a form of mental health disorder until it was removed entirely from activist pressure in 1987 now man can I just point this out like this the the Christian heterosexual man that's saying that man that's unrighteous that's the guy that everybody wants to call the mental health issue when until like five minutes ago in human history what we understood it is man actually some things wrong if somebody's attracted to the same sex and I just want

like men obviously all of us as disciples of Jesus Christ friend of sinners when somebody struggles with same sex attraction my goodness mercy compassion love love that person want to help disciple them just like everybody else out of any issue that they face but very frankly if a dude is sexually attracted to another dude yes there is something wrong if a chick is attracted to other girls yes something is wrong so we have the mental health issues flipped why because what

demonic false prophets always do according to the book of Isaiah what do you who begin to call

good evil and evil good that's always what happens now all right keep going check this out because Jade and I be also asked you to understand that not everything that's legal is going to be

“biblical renderer to Caesar what is Caesar what's even top also have to understand you have to be”

wise disturbing pause pause on hang on so on the renderer to Caesar what is Caesar I just want to point this out first of all he didn't say anything about the galady he just called it a righteous like man I don't like as a Christian being forced to participate in pride celebrations that's all I said the other thing I want to say and I meant if manual watches this first of all dude I love most of your stuff so like please don't take this it's like I mean I just think you missed it

here as a brother and I think it's important because you're hurting the convictions in the courage of Christians who are watching you that's why I'm saying this what I want to point out is he's bringing up the renderer to Caesar what is Caesar's and renderer to God what's God's will hey bro guess what the point of that whole parable get that whole little saying is Jesus does that whole thing was like hey who's likeness in inscription is on the coin Caesar's and then

Jesus does the hey well then renderer into Caesar what Caesar's and renderer into God's what's God's and everyone around him knew well man remember from the book of Genesis guess who's likeness in inscription is on you and you and you and you and Caesar you're created in God's likeness and God's image the whole purpose of that thing is not well we just let Caesar do and enforce evil and because Caesar says it we just let him do his thing we stay over here the whole purpose of that little statement

of Jesus is Caesar belongs to God and Caesar should not be enforcing anything as good that God calls evil let's keep going now right here it's back up until until 130 because he

“actually makes an important point here yeah also have to understand you have to be wise”

discerning and tactful as to how you speak and when you speak and who you speak to true j-9 if you want to quote Paul and Corinthians Paul wrote what he wrote to the church in Corinth he didn't necessarily write what he wrote to the church in Ephesus or the church in Galatia in the same manner j-9 you got to use discernment of when you speak and who you're speaking to

if your job and your goal is to emulate Jesus also understand boss so first of all i need to say true

spouting every conviction you have this necessarily offensive he's right you do need to have tack there and I'll ask you guys real quick thoughts for biblical principles for Christians that are listening well how do i know when i do speak about my convictions in a in a public setting and when do i not you guys got any one guiding principles you got here yeah first of all

“you have to be mindful that you know people will say today well hey Josh you're a Christian you”

shouldn't impose your views and other people but what when somebody says that to you you need to understand that those people saying that they don't realize that by saying that you are literally imposing your view on other people as well like you're doing the very same thing that you're complaining about so that's one just be mindful the question is not whether we will impose views and other people the question is whose views will be imposing other people and first

Peter 315 says but in your heart to review your your crisis lord always be prepared to give an

answer to everyone who ask you to give the reason for the hope that you have in other words be ready when somebody says hey you're a Christian why do you believe LGBTQ Pride celebration is on righteous bible literally commands us to be prepared to respond but then the key word is right after that it says but when you do it do it with gentleness and respect and so i think when Christians share truth we do it with conviction but we also do it with compassion yes and so we want to be

bold and at the same time we have we want to have a heart that is broken heart it for the people that are lost and so we want to we we're sinners say by grace and so many when we share other people what is true ultimately is to point them to the person who said I am the truth that's ultimately to point people to Jesus we want to win souls not just arguments that's right at one point Jesus said behodam sinny you out of sheep amongst wolves so in the but then he literally then connects that to

so therefore be as shrewd as a serpent and as innocent as a dove so in your conduct be innocent but then there is this idea of hey i'm sending you out of sheep amongst wolves you got to be sure you got to be wise you got to be in almost like cunning and how you're you're you're behaving and so even like there is this temptation for Christians i'm like all right i'm gonna take a stand and go out in a blaze of glory and sometimes you might be called to do that but it's no

worthy that in the first two or three hundred centuries while christian he was so very much persecuted

that's not what christians did they didn't just go out and in front of the market play i am a christian kill me now oh they had some points had to be willing to take a stand for their faithful

“when it was necessary but they didn't initially go looking for a fight and so i think that's just”

one thing because i've had friends in the marketplace when i was up in Washington had a friend that was in a company that they said they were going to put their preferred pronouns on their emails and then you had to say i opt out if you didn't want it so you had to basically step forward and he struggled with that and so in the one hand because he was going to put a mark on his back because yeah because we had a bunch and there were people going for his position and he knew

that they could potentially use this to leverage to get him out to get his position oh yeah and so it's hard because he's a faith he was a faithful brother and their place is ready to take some stands but he was also still trying to be sure so that he could be a light in that workplace and he knew that this could be a thing and so i guess one thing and the hard thing is every situation is so different by the way this is why for those who aren't who are listening from not not here

being in a local church is so crucial because every situation is so complicated this is why

you need good local pastors and elders who can go counsel from people who can listen to you know your situation but it's just an example where he didn't go looking for fights everywhere but then occasionally he had to take a stand so like with that being said you know maybe jade and ivy was on wise just to throw this out there when no one was asking them the question how does it that's actually what not what we're frustrated about i think i'm correct to say what

we're frustrated about is the double standard of a lot of us taking place here that it's not writing every direction and even there's a problem so you guys may take some back and forth about this is that the Chicago bulls let him go because of this and yet they didn't say anything when the NBA renewed their contract with united air of Emirates for $300 million dollars were by the way they don't just consider it on righteous to practice same-sex acts they consider illegal yes let me just

same-sex let's pause and just say this more time the the NBA just entered into a contract with a nation yes where it is illegal yeah to practice any form of homosexuality yeah and when this happened but then jade and ivy i like to say so many NBA players and teams and people to say no you can't do this this is so tip no no they didn't so i think all that being said in the wrap up is that's the part of a lot of what we're frustrated at is like hey if you're

going to do something to be consistent in it but i say just to Christians to say hey there might be some places we're honestly you might need to to practice some discretion about where you do that but

“then if it is forced upon you you need to be willing to take the heat just like Daniel was when it”

came time yeah man so like i think a principle so two two things i would say is obviously

thing this like the whatever is going to be the most offensive thing so here's the here's the

“example i have so in first Corinthians five this is a really this is a really important guiding”

verse here and first Corinthians five pulse got that deal where there's the dude this leap

with a step mom and they have to they have to practice a church discipline on the guy and kick him out of the church because he's unrepentant severe sexual degradation listen what pulse is here so first Corinthians five nine i wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people but then he's got to make a qualifier and here's his qualifier verse ten not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world since then you would need to go out of the world so since he's gone

hey bro welcome to life in realm you're not gonna meet essentially's gone you're not gonna meet like a chased heterosexual monogamous dude in realm so he's gone man obviously i'm not telling you to avoid anybody's like that so then here's he qualifies he says but now i'm writing to you

“not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother so a Christian if he is guilty of”

sexual immorality or greed or is not dolleter reviler drunkard swindler and he's saying like people who are they're they're reveling in the sin it's totally unrepentant they're actually promoting it as a fine and positive thing he's saying don't even eat with such a one and then this is what's important verse twelve for what have i to do with judging outsiders is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge god judges those outside okay so what i would say is hey man when you're talking

to lost people did you just they're gonna be lost people don't be surprised about them being lost people whenever i talked to somebody like on a plane or whatever i talked to a guy in the airport this week and i'm having faith conversations if anything about sexuality comes up i'll be honest

usually what i do and somebody made yell at me tell me i'm wrong but here's what i do

is i'm trying to get the first thing first because once they get the lordship of Jesus everything else is gonna fall in the line you don't start with second things first so what i usually do is if they ask me about anything sexuality i say hey man actually i'll answer any question you want any question

“i want the honestly dude here's what i'd encourage you to do is just figure out where you are on”

Jesus and then try to figure out what he says about everything else but really first just figure out the first thing first or you can get confused by all the second things i would just focus on what you think about did Jesus rise from the dead yeah i want to figure that out then you can figure

out what he says about everything else that's great now i do always toss in honest or any question

you want but i'll be super honest i try to madador him and just let and because i just want to talk about Jesus yeah you know now the the one thing i would say to auto over here is like when's if you're going when is the spot where i do you say something i actually think what i've he did was was a strategic and courageous thing because the principle that i've got i'm going to go back to Daniel when someone is asking you to violate your convictions as a Christian

that's when you say something yep and very frankly we toss up that throw toss up that picture of the bulls last last June yeah i mean yeah there you go there you go that's the bull stadium last June and on every on every single player's jersey they ask them to wear as a promotion of something that no Christian can support they ask them to wear the jersey so the bulls are as people like a lot of jade and ivy bring a fight to the bulls jade and ivy didn't bring a fight to the

bulls the bulls brought the fight to jade and ivy and essentially try to go bow down son simply trying to impose their religion another people as well that's it so think about here's what i'll say and then we'll finish it up we'll finish up this auto thing we're going to be done notice what Daniel does if you go back and read Daniel 1 2 3 so Daniel he gets captured by this pagan Babylonian empire they bring him in they tell him where he's going to live they tell him what

school he's going to go to they literally castrate him and then they start teaching him all their pagan stuff but then there comes a moment where they start telling him what he's got to eat and they try to make him eat stuff that was in violation of the old testament commands on cleanliness laws and that's where Daniel goes sorry i got a line yeah and here's my line i'll live in your nation i'll go to your school i even just let you castrate me and i'll study your

that's where my line is that's where my line is okay let's just finish her up here and when

“Jesus saw the woman who had committed adultery he said go and send no more he didn't then try to”

extrapolate every single sin and every single man she has slept with adultery sleep here it but pause pause that's not what you know he did so i will just start by saying one understand there's a difference between legal and biblical to jade and ivy make sure you tend to your mental and emotional health if and if there is anything going on because you have been very vulnerable about your struggles previously and then three render to Caesar what is Caesar's

and render to God what's God's that's biblical yeah yeah well i'll just say this pull up that meme that is what just happened hmm let's go back to Daniel everybody needs to bow down to this idol and if you don't bow down you're going to lose your job and what it took is one guy going sorry no and then you know if if somebody's a you know if

somebody's a professional athlete some amazing league some you know somebody's doing this stuff

the courage of one man what it ought to do is put courage in the hearts of other man and i'm not telling anybody how they need to handle stuff you know like Paul said why is this serpence innocent as does yeah but let the faith and courage of one guy spread

“and i just want to say good job jade and ivy you must obey God rather than men”

and i want to encourage jade and ivy with Matthew 10 23 jesus said if you confess me before man i also will confess you before my father who is in heaven well done brother yeah

rest of your thoughts with your preference yeah man first of all father um we love you

and we love people who don't know you come in and know you so father i just uh i pray for a lost in dying world that you would give all of us the heart of jesus Christ who is a friend of sinners who died for sinners so father more than anything else would you just give us a heart to seek and to save those who are lost no matter the background no matter the sin no matter the

“ideology that's why pray also pray that you would strengthen the courage the hearts and the”

resolve of of Christians just like your words says to be strong stand firm be strong act like men let all that you do be done in love pray that for that man and for men and women of the word all over the world and father i pray especially on this Easter week that you would harvest a mass in gathering into your kingdom and that hundreds of thousands and millions of people would meet the risen jesus Christ this Easter as we're all celebrating i pray that in his

resurrected name amen amen and a man go live free brother live free free free