From Postpartum Depression to a Global Movement

It doesn't necessarily mean sitting around crying.

It can manifest as anxiety, fear of being alone with a baby, or so fear of your person leaving the house and leaving alone with a baby.

“In offering support during this time, you need to try and make it as easy on the person”

as possible. Jordyselander is a trusted experienced and compassionate postpartum expert in maternal wellness advocate. As the founder of Postpartum expert, where she helps mothers through postpartum recovery and healing.

Postpartum support matters. We just don't do a good job. We don't provide practical support. Everyone who wants to come see the baby, come help, you know, do something practical for her, you know, and we don't even separate puppies from their mothers for eight weeks,

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live a legacy. Welcome to another episode of the Living Your Legacy podcast, the woman in power edition.

“Joining me today is, as Jordyselander, what was your last three good Jordyselander?”

Jordyselander? I wanted you to see that to confer, because that's quite the last name. Jordyselander of Postpartum expert is the umbrella brand for a few different of my companies, but that is what we're doing. Right on, Jordysel, welcome to Inside Success.

You just finished filming your episode for Women in Power. How do you feel? I'm glad it's over. I still got it, Jordyselander. It was, I shared a lot, and I'm not used to sharing my personal story, but it feels good

to put it out there, and my purpose in sharing is if it resonates with somebody, then great. It'll resonate with who it needs to, and people who need to receive it will receive the message. Right on. What does your message begin?

“Or when did you start receiving your message?”

So my journey into Postpartum Care started after the birth of my first child when I realized

there's a lot of emphasis put on childbirth education and birth and literally nothing for when Postpartum happens, and the Postpartum period is actually the first 12 months after a baby is born, so that's a lot longer than people tend to think, sure. So when I find out that there is little support and little education and things like that, it really inspired me to want to do more.

What's happening today when the child is born, what immediately happens is it is a peaceful process, it's a grueling process from the child for the parent, like it doesn't seem very pleasant. That's it. Let's start there.

I'm going to write this quite the experience, and we get into the post, post, post, post, post. I was just like, I just, I apologize 'cause I'm not a father, so I have an experience this myself, but I would like to, from what I experienced my friends, have had their

families, and they've always got this awful story of something happening and it wasn't

great, and then there is the lingering months afterwards. Do you walk us through what why this happens, why it's so common, and why you're here to do what you do to inform us, to educate us? Well, how much time do we have? Yeah.

What are the minutes? All right. I will not in style, because that's my first loaded question. Yeah. Well, birth is intense.

Yes. Right. So you want to go into it feeling empowered. You want to make sure that you have information that you need, you, if you're going to go into a hospital to deliver your baby, you are going to need to advocate for, for

yourself, hospitals have policies, and those policies are for the hospital, not necessarily for the woman, or the birthing person, and a lot of times when you go in, they, what happens

So you go in and you kind of interrupt the national process, and then one thing starts, like

maybe they need a little bit to send, and then, you know, that is a very strong contracting medicine. So then maybe baby gets into stress, because the contractions are too hard or too intense, and then that leads to another thing, and another thing, and then pretty soon you're having a surgical birth, so when you go to a hospital, and you go to an OBGYN, an OBGYN,

it's a surgeon, so if you go to a surgeon to give birth, they're going to want to have a surgery, right?

“I mean, that's what they're trained for, you know, that's what, you know, I would or keep”

slides on. So unfortunately, that's kind of how our hospital thing, now I am an advocate for the women, right, right. So my belief is that you need to go and deliver that baby where you feel safe, perfect, got it.

So I made the choice. I had all out of hospital births.

My first was born in a birth center, my last two were born at home, with all of them with

windwipes. Wow. So midwives are practiced in what they call normal birth, which is 95% of births go very normally. There's 5% that need intervention and insurance.

So a midwife, if you have a midwife, she's going to know what's normal and what's looking normal and how things are progressing, and then she's going to know when things are going

“a little bit sideways and maybe that, you know, you need to transfer it and finish delivering”

the baby in the hospital. There are options, and unfortunately, a lot of women are not aware of all the options. Right. You know, and what we know now is going into the hospital and, you know, women who want to have a natural or unmedicated birth, it's difficult to do in a hospital.

So if you want that, then be prepared to advocate, and if you're like, nope, you know, you're going to have the birth experience that you want. Sure. Sure. I got to ask, I'm sure that it's very beneficial for the mother and for the child to have

a nice, serene, quiet. Yes. Waterburst. I was, let's talk about Tom Cruise. Is this funny mean or a story that when when his daughter was born, he was in the room holding

a sandwich? Like, oh, like, I guess he was, he was one of these, but it's Tom Cruise, everything's a little work. Sorry for giving you the end. This is a random story.

“That's my perception of what you do, and that's, oh, that's why I'm giving you the”

setting and like, well, I can't, I think I understand what you do. But I actually do, because when YouTube was born, I was curious about how babies were made in, like, births and stuff like that. And now, not in the sense of like, in the negative way, but no, really, like, I was, I heard about father births and be born at home and like, a bath tub, and I was quite curious.

And I was also quite curious, so you can see a full noted on YouTube. Well, I was doing research, and like, hopefully that woman's giving birth, and I was like, 17, 18, or whatever YouTube was, day one. And I was like, yeah, it's really neat that I could learn this way. Why isn't this more common besides, you know, to hospitals, you know, which is

bringing you up, and you're just another invoice. How why is this practice not more common, and why is it not celebrated more? What's the stigma? I don't think that there is a stigma so much as there is a lack of awareness. Um, clearly, yeah, normal birth is typically used to be typically attended by

midwives, and then around the 40s and 50s, hospitals started, um, becoming a thing. And they wanted to have a revenue stream, right? Wow.

So what's a better revenue stream, women are always having babies, right?

So they wanted to bring women into the hospitals to have their babies. And so it began a bit of a, you know, it's probably before that, but it began a propaganda campaign. Right. There's hospitals, make money, and so they have money, and so they can pay for commercials,

and things like that. There was this, they did stigmatize midwives as like crazy women and witches and things like that. Anytime, anytime you have a woman in power, a lot of times the word which is not too far behind because it's not the time they were on with that, I'm done with it.

Yeah. So, you know, and there was a big propaganda campaign doing women to the hospitals. And so ever since then, that's become our culture now, if, and people are like, oh, what's the safest way is the best way? If it are way of birthing in this country, we're the best way.

We'd have the best maternal infant mortality rates, right?

We don't. Oh, boy. We're like weed on the list. Really? Yes.

So in places like Sweden and things, their mode of operating is midwifery care. So they start their birth with the midway. Their hospitals are staffed around the clock with surgeons and, um, and it's these knowledge. Sure.

Right.

So, they're always on staff.

So, when a midwife needs to bring the woman in for, for intervention in a hospital, everybody's there. They're on. They're ready. They know what they're doing and, um, and they have the best maternal and infant mortality

rates. Whoa. So, that's a little speech. What is your, what is your process like? How do folks find you?

“What's this journey to discovering you and what you do?”

So, um, when I started the whole thing, um, started, back when my second baby was born, I had learned about placentic isolation, um, from, uh, acupuncturist and practitioner of traditional Chinese medicine. So I learned that in traditional Chinese medicine, you can take the placenta and do a process on it, you end up with capsules to supplement.

You take that supplement post-partum for a couple of weeks and it helps level everything out. It helps you have a better and faster post-partum recovery.

So, when I had my second baby, I did it and, no, I didn't tell anybody what I was doing

because it was weird and taboo, right? Sure. Um, but my midwife, when she did my post-partum check, even noticed how fast I was recovering physically. And I felt great work.

So my thing was just to tell her, hey, you know, I tried this and worked, you know, um, back then, nobody heard of it. So I didn't have any first-time moms have any interest because they're like, I think I wanted to take my chances. Yeah.

“But if a woman had a story like mine where she struggled post-partum because I had a hard”

time after my first baby was born, you're kind of willing to try anything not to feel that way again. And so I would have women who are like, hey, I want the capsules. I want the benefit. I got you.

I don't want to touch my placenta. Wow. Right. So I was like, well, I'll do it for you. And just kind of off the cuff and that I was like, wait, what did I, so I did the

first one. It was amazing. And then she told her friend and her friend. And so it was woman after woman after woman having a good experience with these capsules and really swearing that they help them.

And so that's when I started placentabed if it's dot info, just wanted to share the information. And then that led to hospital advocacy because we had situations where hospitals refusing to release placenta and then that led to research out of UNLV and I've been doing this 20 years.

20 years. 20 years. That baby is about to turn 20 in a couple of weeks. How many babies have you worked with? How many families?

I'm old. God's relations. Thousands. Wow. Yeah.

Over that time. How does it feel? Amazing.

Because I always say I have the best job in the world.

Sure. I provide a service where I go into the home and they've just had a baby or just brought

“the baby whore and sometimes they'll be four generations there and what are you doing?”

What's with the placenta? You know? So I have a chance to show them and they're like, oh, that's actually kind of cool. And then share the process and then of course, she ends up with these capsules that she can take and just feel so much better, just more like herself instead of like this up

and down, up and down, up and down, right? Because the immediate transition after delivering the baby is huge fluctuations, like a lot going on. And the capsules kind of just level things out. Right.

And it's funny because dads end up being the biggest fans of the whole thing, right? Because they'll be like, thank you so much. So, you know, they'll be like, oh, are you taking your palstal today and she's like, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

So, you know, so they see the difference, you know, because, you know, when your person isn't feeling themselves, right? And so, it ends up being beneficial for the entire family. I got to ask, what, what is the number one symptom of postpartum depression? Like, why is it happen? Is it necessary? Educate me a little because clearly I get to experience this with my partner. Sure. So, postpartum depression can't be diagnosed until six weeks postpartum. So, she's going to have to be suffering for a while.

Well, you mean suffering, suffering of the right here, because of the post connection of the child. This is a great question. So, people think postpartum depression. Okay, that is one. However, it doesn't necessarily mean sitting around crying, okay? Women can have, it can manifest as anxiety. So, fear of being alone with the baby or so fear of your person leaving the house and leaving alone with the baby.

It can be just a sense of complete overwhelm.

An ability to make decisions. Like, what do you want to, like, you can't think clearly, right? Like, I don't know what I want. Wow. And so, it's an offering support during this time.

“You need to try and make it easy on the person as as possible. So, like, if people are going to come over and see the baby, do a load of laundry.”

If the dish is out of the same, you know, I mean, help her out, because I can't tell you how many times I go into the home.

And she's up. The three other kids are running around. She's got the baby on her hip. Sort of got there's another one time.

Go sitting there playing video games. Both times I was over. I'm like, man, get off the couch and help. Like, it's, it's wild to me. And, you know, another time, the mother and the partner were there. And she comes out.

“Well, we're going to have a whole thing in laundry. Like, what are you doing? It's like, I'm going to the laundry mat, because we need, what is your mom?”

Yeah, where's the tribe? You know, where's the tribe? You know, there's a lot of times it's like, oh, I have six weeks off. Okay, we don't even separate puppies from their mothers for eight weeks. Why are we separating women from their babies at sick? It's ridiculous. So there's a lot of stress and tension. And then, yeah, you're, you have this baby and you have sometimes there's attachment stuff going on, but a lot of times you had never felt a love like this before.

It's overwhelming. You want to keep them safe. You want to do everything right. Everything has to be perfect, right?

And a lot of times, if you're struggling, we as women tend to internalize that. We don't look for an external source. Like, maybe I don't have support. It's, why can't I handle this? I'm not doing a good enough job. And so, um, and mom guilt is a real thing. I feel guilty for everything. So, um, in seeing this and knowing this, then, um, I've, I do offer placenta encapsulation and I have the placenta encapsulation specialist training course. Because I want other women to have a business, you know, we want to have a business, we want to have an income stream and we want to do something where we can set our own hours and we can be there for our kids and, you know, um,

not be away for eight hours or ten hours a day. Pernores, maybe Pernores, right? Thanks. So, um, so I do offer the training course because then you can learn how to do it. You can help families, but I also provide a variety of support. A lot of people have to hurt about birth to us, right? Let's do a la, car, they, they go in and, and they're with the woman, do the literally means with woman. And they're with the woman during the labor and delivery. But there's a postpartum do la. So, plus partum do la comes in and, um, helps offers practical support. So I describe it as being like your favorite auntie who actually knows what's going on, right?

“And I walk into the home and I can see immediately, right? What, what needs to happen here to help her feel safe, secure, calm, right? If there's chaos, where's the chaos?”

Like, let's, let's tackle this, right? So I do all kinds of things for families. I do meal prep. I put something in the crock pot, so they can eat when they're ready. I put things together. So, you know, they can just toss it in the oven. Um, I do, I make sure mom and baby have, you know, clean clothes and bedding and, you know, if I walk in, I don't tend to take the baby because I'm there to take, make sure mom could take care of baby for sure. But if she doesn't slept and she's like, I just need a nap. I'll take the baby and let her sleep or get a shower or, you know, things like this. So, in calming that overwhelm.

And in, in providing practical support, this is a big thing I talked about in my book, the postpartum survival guide is you need people around you who are going to offer practical support. So, if your mom's going to come in, could dinner or something. And yeah, like, and be helpful, great. Yeah. But, you know, if your mom is going to come in and, you know, oh, you need to be doing this and you need to be doing it that way and, and here I'll just take the baby and, you know, think that that's not practical support, you know,

and so I just feel like the practical part of it gets lost and in things and maybe people don't know what to do. But, um, I do it in the, in my books, I do start people couples. I want them to read it while they're pregnant because then it starts them putting together their postpartum plan.

So, um, start thinking about it now and put it together now and then get, make sure that you and your partner and your expectations of each other are in alignment for sure, absolutely. Because if you are like just expecting, you know, your partner is going to be doing XYZ and your partner is thinking, you're going to be doing XYZ and then it, yeah, conflict, right? And we don't need that when we're dealing with everything else and we're sleep deprived, right? So, get it together now and I do have a course, the postpartum survival course, where I teach couples, how to do this, like, have you thought about this? Let's have that discussion, you know?

And just educating, it's all education. I definitely heard a lot. Yeah, definitely out. I'm relevant to him, Chris. Yeah, sending me a message. Yeah, sent you a message. I got to ask, um, do you see, like immediate results? Our folks, like, you said, planning, you said all these, these really sterile words. What does the job I come into being parents? Is it, is there a moment where you be like, right? Just do the hard work now? Because the joys come in. You got to put in the time, though. I mean, a baby's a big, big deal.

You just got to play a little bit, a little bit of clever, but the joy is there. It's not a scary, it's going to be no. The sleepless nights are worth it. Oh, yes. And the whole journey is worth it.

You know, it's just, at first, it's finding your footing. Especially if it's your first day.

“Oh, it's just going to say the first is over. You know, that's what I say. The close part of Dula, I'm, I'm the training wheels, right?”

Right. I'm just there to get you the confidence and, and, you know, you know, you're baby, get to know your baby. And then you're going to be able to be like, oh, you know, this crime means this and oh, now he needs this. And you're going to be the one that knows that because you know them and the joy is there immediately, like immediately, right? It's all the other stuff that, you know, that adds stress to that moment. So if we can minimize that stress, then the joy is there, right? It just gets clouded with the rest of it.

Um, so if we can decrease that, then it's all to it, right? Oh, absolutely. I, I, I, I don't want to end this story, but I got to bring up the story. I had a friend and the family that became a mom and she was acting very bizarre. Her, her, her mom and her, her mom and her, stop speaking because her mom gave her, her son or kiss or something. And she was like, no, don't, don't, - Well, don't, your germs are not that much so peculiar about that. And they were living next to each other,

they haven't, they haven't, they haven't, they haven't seen each other for weeks, 'cause she was very turtormous on the child.

- That was the post-pair.

- And they was, I thought I was like, that's what that must, 'cause it was just like, oh, nine and a day different. - Yeah. - Wow.

- I like it. It's just like, she wanted to complete protective cup mode. I'm like, I get it now, but it's grandma. I'm like, I'm pretty sure grandma's lots. - Yeah, and grandson book didn't cease to her own,

but I saw it. - And it's real. - It was a very real threat. - Yes. - It was an absolute threat that her baby could die.

- Yeah, all right. They give the kiss or something, and I get it. - It's, you know, it's extremely real to them. - Right.

“- And to the grandma, she was just like, are you seeing that?”

- But to the outside, it's like, you're overreacting. - That's right. - And sometimes, even, like, with me, with my personal experience,

I had what's now being called, "Postpartum Rage", "Postpartum Rage". - Yeah. - So, wow. - I was a raider.

(laughing) - I feel like, I would get, like, I would get really upset over things. And, you know, you're almost like watching yourself, being like, that's a really extreme reaction.

- Yeah, that's the situation. - But, like, you're so in it, like, you can't stop, right? - Yeah. - So, whether it's manifesting as angers, manifesting as anxiety,

or if it's manifesting as control, or whatever. - Blame the baby. - Right? (laughing) - Exactly.

- You did this thing. - You did this thing. - You did this. (laughing) - It's, you know, it's very real in that moment.

- Right.

- And, so, responding with compassion is always the best,

you know, if your partner is kind of going through these things or exhibiting these symptoms, it does pass. And, like I say, with the "Postpartum Rage", and "Postana Capsals Help Level", a lot of that out.

“And, like I say, and that's why the dance”

or partner ends up being the biggest fan, because, you know, it's like, you can take the capsules. And, I've had women say they feel the effects within 30, 60 minutes, wow. And, you know, just so, yeah, I had one who said,

you know, she was sitting on the couch.

That didn't work out, she was this, you know,

“very nature mom and breastfeeding was going hard”

and nothing was working. And, she said that she was, you know, she was on the couch and she just had this black cloud. And, she was like, I didn't think it was going to be like this. Why is it so hard?

And, I gave her the capsules. And, she said 30 minutes later, she could feel the cloud lift. And, she was just like, okay, like, okay. This is going to be fine.

We're going to get through it. This is going to be okay. - Right on. - Right on. - So, it's amazing.

And, I've seen it doing credible things. And, so, I am a huge advocate for Plyssani encapsulation. And, and it does ease up on some of that. Now, the Plyssani encapsulation is great.

For the first two to three weeks, especially 80% of women

are going to exhibit what they call the baby blues. So, two to three weeks, you know, you're on, you fork high, right? We go on adrenaline for a while.

“But then everything kind of catches up, right?”

And then the next couple of weeks are rough. And so, that's kind of the baby blues, right? And again, it's not necessarily sadness. It's all these other things, right? And sadness, give me one.

But that's the baby blitz. Now, if she continues to exhibit these symptoms, beyond the six weeks, then, you know, that is when it's time to see, you know, see a doctor talk about your feelings,

maybe get on some antidepressant or something like that. You know, it's difficult, though, because it's, you know, the drugs can take some time to kick in fully. And women respond differently, the different thing. We all respond differently to different medications.

And it can take a little bit of time to figure that out.

But I always say that the Plyssani is the easiest,

most natural, at least side effects that you can do to get yourself on the right trajectory, right? Because there's a strong correlation between depression at day 14 and depression beyond that. So if we can get through fatigue at day 14

and depression later on. So if we, and one of the things that it treats is fatigue, so if we can keep her from getting so low, you know, I mean, it's difficult to feel, you know, feel good. You know, feel happy when you're exhausted.

- Yeah, no. - You know, if we can help keep her from feeling that extreme fatigue, then, you know, maybe we can have some better outcomes later on, too. - Right on.

- Dave off some of that. - Well, Jordi, gosh, such a, such a pleasure to speak to you with love your energy. What are folks going to learn about your women and power episode?

- Well, hopefully they've been a learn that post-partum support matters, that we need to do a better job in supporting first thing people when they get home from the hospital or when they have that baby.

We just don't do a good job. We don't provide practical support. Everyone who wants to come see the baby comes see the baby, comes in, come help, you know, do something practical

“for her, you know, and first thing people, let them, right?”

- That's the other thing. - I don't know. - So if you touch my, get over it. - We need YouTube videos, dammit. - Right, you know, let them do the line.

- First, let them do the thing is it may not be, the way that you would do it, let it go. Let it go. - It's, it takes a try, it takes a bullet.

- It does, and perfectionism, you're never gonna have

that again, I'm sorry, it's a parent day. (laughing) - Maybe by your third kid? - Yeah, I don't know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - Just, it's out, yeah, it is, bye.

- Wow, that's, I feel like that's gonna be the, the cover of your next book. - No, a couple of things just, bye. (laughing) - Goodbye, perfectionism.

- Well, how can folks find you? - Postpointamxford.com. Everything is under that one umbrella. - Awesome. - And you can, it's not just me, it's not Jody B.

Postpartumxford, it is a resource. So if you were looking for a particular resource in your town for postpartum care, whether it's due up to send encapsulation, lactation support, you can go on there

and find somebody in your community. If you're somebody who is already a postpartum care provider, then you can be on that website. - If you want to become one, you can go and find a training course on there

that would be a good fit for you. - Right. - So it's an umbrella term, it's not just Jody. - Well, I just got Jody for myself and I was quite the honor,

I hope you had a fantastic day of doing that. - I did, it was amazing. - I definitely learned a lot and I thank you for your time energy again, Jody. - It's been a pleasure.

- With that, that concludes our episode for living your legacy, the woman of power addition. For Insights Access, I am reading tears. And that's Jody. (upbeat music)