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On August 28, 2026, Laura Owens pled guilty to four felony counts in her criminal case in Arizona. In this special bonus episode, you’ll hear exclusive reporting from the courthouse on the...

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or wherever you get your podcasts. On Friday, August 28th, Laura Owens appeared at the Maricopa County Superior Courthouse. For a settlement conference in her criminal case. The question was, would she plead guilty

or would her case go to trial?

Finally, we got an answer.

How do you plead to count one fraudulent schemes in R&B's as a class two non-dangers felony committed on about May 17th, 2023 through an including June 10th of 2024. Guilty or not guilty. Guilty.

Laura pled guilty to four felony counts. Two class two felonies of fraudulent schemes in Artifices, one class four felony of perjury, and one class four felony of taking the identity of another. And how do you plead to count 10,

taking the identity of another guilty or not guilty?

Guilty. After months of uncertainty and delays, the most surprising thing we could have heard was Laura admitting guilt. Not once, but four times. Is everything that was said on the record true and correct?

Yes, Your Honor. Quite fine's defense, please. Knowingly, Intelligent Volunteer Made, there's a factual basis for each count, and the plea is accepted and entered of record.

I'm Stephanie Young, and this is a special bonus episode of Love Trapped. ♪ There's no way out ♪ ♪ You'd better believe ♪ ♪ I'll be raising holy hell my love ♪

♪ If you ever, ever, ever ♪ ♪ Never, ever, ever ♪ ♪ Trust me ♪ I'm going to walk you through what went down in Arizona on Friday, August 28th.

I was there in person for the whole thing. So let's start at the beginning. Before the hearing started, I ran into Clayton, Greg Woodnick, and Reality Steve outside the courthouse.

None of us had any idea if Laura was going to take the plea deal or not. Clayton hadn't been given advance notice. Like we said in the last episode, Clayton believed she'd take this to the bitter end and bring this case to trial.

The courtroom doors opened early, so I made my way inside to find a seat. Here's Woodnick. The hearing was scheduled to start at 230, and we went a little bit early,

anticipating that the county attorney was going to want to talk to Clayton about the status of things. And there was a short meeting with the county attorney privately, before the hearing. After we met with the county attorney

and the investigator, Clayton, I walked into the courtroom,

Anticipating that hearing was going to start at 230.

It was delayed, not super uncommon, but this courtroom runs on time. So I was wondering what was going on,

and a dawned on me at that point that I hadn't seen Laura.

Usually, if these hearings we bump into Laura and her mother or father in the hallway,

that's always awkward in any case, not just this one.

But I hadn't seen them, so we were wondering where she was. I took a seat in the fourth row, directly behind Clayton. There was a strict no cell phone policy inside the courtroom. That means all the interview tape you're hearing happened after the fact. The hearing was supposed to begin at 230,

but 230 came and went. Laura wasn't in the room yet. Everyone began looking around anxiously. We were all wondering what was going on, and if the hearing would start,

the prosecutor kept coming in and out of the courtroom and having quiet conversations with Woodnik and Clayton in the front row. I was sitting next to reality Steve, and he overheard some of what was said.

I started hearing some things and rumblings that a plea deal was probably going to happen, but Laura was waffling. She was sick throwing up.

We were hearing terms like that.

I couldn't see Woodnik or Clayton's faces, but I knew something big was about to happen. The county attorney let us know that Laura had signed the plea agreement, which is great, and it was a huge sigh of relief, Stephanie,

because this was a big deal. She acknowledged and writing that she had committed these crimes. But a side plea agreement doesn't do any good unless it's put on the record in the courtroom. And there was a comment made that she was having challenges

or struggling to come into the courtroom and address what she had signed apparently on the record with the judge. I overheard a snippet of this conversation. The prosecutor saying Laura was about to sign the plea deal,

but I still didn't believe that it was about to happen. Laura hadn't come into the courtroom yet, and the tensions were rising. So we waited some more,

and eventually it felt like maybe 15 minutes later,

she came in very quickly and had a seat at the table with her attorney Christian looters and within a few seconds the judge came in and the hearing began. This is CR-2025-0079-05 state versus Laura Owens,

time set for a settlement conference. Peggy Deparences, please. Good afternoon, you're at the IRBF State. That's a new judge. Christian looters in behalf of Laura Owens,

who's present with me at the Defense State. So Ms. Owens have been handed a plea agreement that indicates you want to resolve your case by pleading guilty to count one. Fraudement schemes in Arves is a class two non-dangerous felony,

count six per jury at class four non-dangerous felony, count nine fraudulent schemes in Arves is a class two non-dangerous felony, and then count ten taking my dinner and even another a class four felony non-dangerous. Is that what you want to do today?

Yes, sir. So just going to ask you some questions, make sure you understand what you're doing. Have you taken any drugs, alcohol, or medication, last 24 hours?

No, you're right.

What's the last ingredient in school that you have finished or completed?

I have my bachelor's in college. Okay, so you read understanding which correct? Has anybody forced you a threatened unit in a way to make you plead guilty? No.

Has anybody promised you anything regarding your sentence? It's not written in your plea agreement to get you to plead guilty? No. Because Laura is pleading guilty to felonies, it will impact her civil rights.

She won't be able to vote, serve as a juror, hold public office, or possess a firearm. The judge then moved on to discuss her plea agreement with the state.

Okay, so let's talk about your agreements with the state. As the count one, which is a class two five, there are no agreements as the sentencing. If you are placed on probation,

it will be supervised probation. As the counts six nine and ten, you'll be placed on supervised probation, no contact with the victims. The state will dismiss counts two through five,

seven and eight and eleven through fourteen.

Is that your understanding of your agreement with the state?

Yes, sir. Under the terms of the plea agreement, Laura agreed to plead guilty to four of her fourteen felony counts. For three of these counts, she faces supervised probation,

which may still carry mandatory jail time. Settensing for the final felony count remains open to the judge's discretion at sentencing. That carries a potential penalty ranging from supervised probation to up to 12 and a half years in prison.

In exchange for her guilty plea, the state agreed to dismiss the remaining ten charges. From there, the judge handled a few more administrative details. In forming Laura,

she was officially giving up her right to a trial and couldn't appeal the guilty plea. In order to take advantage of the plea agreement, you've got to weave your trial rights because you're not having a trial

since you're entering into a plea of guilty.

I'm going to cover those rights with you.

You'll be giving up the presumption of innocence.

You'll be giving up the right to remain silent. You'll be giving up the right to have a jury to determine guilt and aggravating factors. You'll be giving up the right to confront and cross-examine the witnesses or call to testify against you.

You'll be giving up the right to present evidence near defense. You'll be giving up the right to testify yourself and you'll be giving up the right to file a direct appeal that you would have the right to file a petition for post-conviction relief.

Do it for stand-alone rights. Yes, Your Honor. And you want to wave those rights so you can take advantage of this plea agreement. Yes, Your Honor. Then we got to the part where Laura had to respond to each charge.

As I looked around the courtroom, everyone seemed to be stunned. Her mother, Jan Black, was sitting across the aisle on the other side of the courtroom. But I could see her face.

She was completely deadpan and emotionless, watching her daughter plead guilty. How do you plead to count one fraudulent schemes in our vices of class two non-dangerous felony? Guilty or not guilty?

Guilty. How do you plead to count six perjury at class four non-dangerous felony? Guilty or not guilty? Guilty.

And how do you plead to count nine fraudulent schemes in our vices of class two non-dangerous felony? Guilty or not guilty? Guilty. And how do you plead to count ten,

taking an identity of another guilty or not guilty?

Guilty. Laura admitted guilt on four felony charges. There was a charge for every listed victim. Then she had to provide a factual basis for each count. That means she had to admit the facts of what happened,

so the judge could confirm that a crime was actually committed. Laura's attorney read them on her behalf. Factual basis, please. Your honors count one honor about space 1723 and through June 10th, 2024

within Maricopa County's courts jurisdiction. Laura Michelle L.1's pursuant to a scheme or artificial defraud knowingly did obtain a benefit from Clayton Ray Eckard by means of fraudulent pretenses representation promises or material omissions.

As count six, within Maricopa County's courts jurisdiction, honor about June 10th, 2024. Laura Michelle Owens and regards to a material issue and believing it to be false did make a false war in statement to wit claiming that's me showing my pregnant stomach.

Countdown again in Maricopa County's court jurisdiction. Honor between July 1st, 2021 and August 17th, 2022. Laura Michelle Owens. Again, soon to a scheme or artist your fraud, knowingly did obtain a benefit from Gregory Gillespie

by means of fraudulent pretenses representation promises and material omissions.

And finally, I count 10 in Maricopa County within this courts jurisdiction.

Honor about August 6, 2021, Laura Michelle Owens. knowingly did take purchase manufacturer report, possess or use any personal identifying information or entity identifying information of Stormy Limitual without consent with the intent to obtain or use the identity

for any unlawful purpose or to cause loss to a person or with the intent to obtain or continue to implement it.

Is everything that was said on the record true and correct?

Yes, Your Honor. Court of Finance, Patence, please knowingly and tell us what you want to know, made as a factual basis for each count and the plea will be accepted and entered a record.

After that, the judge moved on to scheduling the setencing hearing. I'm good with the twister. You give the twister. All right, let's rely on 23rd. October 23rd works for both victims and the state.

Sentencing was set for October 23rd. That's where we'll find out if Laura will face prison or jail time for her crimes. Anything else from the state? Louire.

All right. Thank you. You think from the defense? No. Thank you. Thank you. All right. The hearing only lasted 16 minutes and I felt like I was holding my breath the whole time.

I was told Laura left through a side door. The rest of us filed out into the hallway. Clayton came right up to me and gave me a big hug. During the proceedings, we'd all been keeping our emotions in check. But when we got outside, they all came rushing in.

I started recording. I want to hear in your words what happened. Laura accepted the plea. She took a minute to come in there. We were told that she signed off on the plea

but that she had to walk in and accept the crimes. And she did. That's a big moment. I want to say, like, Laura, I am proud of you.

For taking the first step towards accountability.

That's genuinely how I feel. I don't want Laura to have a lifetime of suffering. I have become stronger through this. I've become more resilient. I wanted to be held accountable.

We still have a sentence saying I'm still going to look to have her put in prison for some time because I believe

that's how you begin the healing process with Laura

to make her a better person. But this is a huge step today. She took accountability. And that's something we have not seen since I first met Laura.

When did it finally hit you that

That this was real and that this was like over?

For me, it's like once she accepted charges,

we then went into a side room and kind of show cans

and thanked the prosecution and talked about next steps. But then when we walked out of the courtroom and I saw you, I felt like a wave of emotion overcome me. I felt like on the verge of tears. Because this really truly is

finally feeling like the beginning to the end.

We are on the right step towards full justice. And obviously we still need to have sentencing. But it's not lost upon me that her being a convicted feloness is huge. And now it's up to me and the prosecutor to look to get jail time

or prison time tacked on to that. To me that's now my responsibility partly. And if it's meant to be, we'll get that outcome. But I was okay with the plea being agreed upon. And we got that, so that's a one.

And I can thank the court for that and say they've done a great job. I got in my car and finally looked at my phone.

I had dozens of missed calls and text messages.

I thought I was going to drive away. But I was feeling an unexpected rush of emotions myself. So I recorded this voice note. I just left the Maricopa County Superior Court House after the settlement conference on August 28th,

2026 where Laura Owens accepted a plea deal in her criminal case in Arizona. It was extremely surreal to be in the courtroom. She had to say that she was guilty to all four counts that she pled guilty to.

And I have to be honest, after following this case, it was emotional to hear her say that for me. And it's because I've lived all of the moments with these men for the last 15 months of them recounting their stories

and telling me what happened and to see that there was accountability taken today was emotional. And when Clayton walked out of the courtroom, I was already in the hallway and I locked eyes with him and immediately gave him a hug

and just told him congratulations and that I was proud of him for sticking with this and continuing the fight. And he told me in that moment that that's the first time it kind of sank into him and he got a little bit emotional.

And that that was also a really powerful moment for me.

I know I haven't followed the story from the very beginning. I started in June of 2025 after his family court case that already been adjudicated. But I've been in this immersed in this for the last 15 months and to see him finally get justice today

and all of the other victims listed in this criminal case was extremely impactful and I am grateful that I was here for that today. I am talking to a felon right now with face tattoos and I cannot decide if I like him or not.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. [MUSIC PLAYING] After the hearing, I caught up with Greg Woodnik. He didn't have to be at the courthouse, but he spent almost five years in litigation with Laura,

and he's personally invested. So we sat in the front row right next to Clayton. Hearing Laura say the word guilty four times was a little bit surreal. I remember thinking to myself, holy shit,

that just happened, and this has been a long road. And I remember kind of nudging Clayton on the leg. I mean, that was like the moment that it was over. He knew it when he heard it as well. It was a big deal.

I was a really big deal. If you remember from our last episode, Woodnik predicted that Laura would take the plea deal. He credits her legal counsel. It was a so glad she chose to do the right thing and leave guilty.

I tried to think about it in terms of if I were representing Laura, and I'm grateful I am not.

I think her current attorney has done a great job representing her.

I think Christian looters just saved Laura from Laura. In entering this plea agreement, it gives her an opportunity to not spend a significant amount of time in prison. And someone is committed to their craft of lying as Laura was. It's probably hard to convince them that this is the best outcome for them.

Laura may have thought up until that moment that she said guilty four times that she could go to trial and lie her way out of this. That didn't happen. And that I think was the sigh of relief I had when I heard her say guilty four times. Knowing what I know about Laura,

I asked Woodnik if there was a possibility Laura could change her mind. Can someone backtrack on their guilty plea? People back out of plea agreements. I don't want to say all the time, but there's a way to get out of the plea agreement.

I don't anticipate that's going to happen here. I think Laura got really good legal advice from her attorney. Laura's decision to plead guilty means there will be no trial. We won't see all the evidence the state has been collecting for the past two years. I know there's a lot of people that want it this trial to go forward.

And I think the people wanted the trial to go forward to find out the depths of the fraud

that Laura has committed over these years. And of course there's a part of me that would have liked to see all that exposed. I know a lot more than the public does having been involved in this for a long time. And I can appreciate why people would want that all aired publicly.

But I've always thought the right result here was for her to acknowledge her guilt,

so that people could move on and she could be appropriately consequence. And healing could begin. I've had so many people ask me if I think she's going to get jail time.

The truth is, I don't know.

It will be up to the judge at the setencing hearing on October 23rd. Woodnik plans to be there. And I asked him to make one more prediction about her consequences.

I think incarceration is going to be part of her sentence.

A lot of it is going to depend on how Laura presents at sensing. How she approaches her culpability at sentencing is a bigger deal.

Really saying she's guilty and fully acknowledging that guilt and what she's going to do to make sure this never happens again

is really a conversation for October 23rd. That's when we're going to hear and see what Laura really meant by the words guilty guilty guilty guilty. A lot of the content creators who've been following this case from the very beginning weren't in attendance. No one knew what to expect and no one really expected that she'd plead guilty. But reality Steve was there and I caught up with him after the hearing.

I was still an amazement that the word guilty came out of this woman's mouth four times. After three plus years of covering this woman, it was just bizarre to hear the woman admit it. And I hope she sticks by it. I asked Steve if there was anything that I missed that day. One of the things that we were hearing in the courtroom that day, and I didn't hear it with my own two ears.

But there were rumblings that quote unquote Laura just wanted to sign this and move on with her life,

which is basically what we've been saying for three years.

The only reason people keep talking about this, which in turn upsets her, is because she kept it going. So when I heard that, I was like great, but action speak louder than words. And if you admit to four guilty counts, stand by, stand on all tentos and say yes. This is what I believed I did wrong, here's why she doesn't owe us anything. I think all of us that have covered it are still curious as to the why's behind a lot of this stuff.

Maybe we'll get it from her someday, maybe we won't. As someone who's been following Clayton since the Rose ceremony from hell, Steve's been impressed by how Clayton handled the whole situation. When we were standing there and Clayton came out, he gave you a hug, and I think you asked him how he felt.

I just remember him taking a good probably 10 or 15 seconds before he can answer, because I think he was a little emotional about it.

And when he finally said like, hey, it's just amazing that this is the first time she's ever taken accountability.

This is the step in the right direction. I do not want to see this woman suffer. I want her to be able to have a life and not end up as a statistic essentially. And I thought that was really empathetic for a guy who's literally been tortured by this woman for the last three years. It shows you what kind of guy that Clayton is.

There were two more people I wanted to talk with to hear the reaction to the news. Mike and Danielle Maricini. I was not shocked. I mean, the evidence was overwhelmingly against her.

I think it was the only logical choice for her to do was to plead guilty.

But I was not shocked that she took it. I was shocked. I was the opposite of Mike. I really thought it. One, it was fake news and I had to like double check with handful of people to figure out that it was real.

And two, it felt like a cop out to me, frankly, because again, she's doubled down so hard on these narratives for so long. I've had mixed emotions about it because part of me feels relieved that she did take a kind of ability. The other part of me is that I won't hurt a face the maximum sentencing. And I don't know what the sentencing is obviously going to be, but when you take a plea, it's usually a much lighter sentence than actually going to trial. The next day, my phone started blowing up.

In a group text with Mike and Danielle, they delivered some big news. News Danielle got while away on a quick trip with their daughters. I was actually in Disneyland with my two kids on a rogue best friend trip. And I was laying in our hotel room in the pitch block because my kids were napping. And I got two texts from him that just were Danielle, Danielle and all caps, and a screenshot of the TEDx website.

Then it below it, the caption said, "It's gone.

The video is gone.

Laura's TEDx video about Mike Maricini was finally taken down.

I was laying there in the dark, and my daughter was laying next to me, then I just started crying. Like silently, because it was such a relief that it's finally gone. I mean, people have watched it and told me about it, and have said, "I don't believe it."

But I think in the back of everybody's mind, there was doubt of whether or not it was true or not.

And so the moment that I found out it was just, we were ecstatic. It was unbelievable to see that actually happen. I feel like it was the biggest win today, because this video has been up for years. And it's such a heinous video, and I'm just so angry that TEDx actually kept it up for this long. I felt immense relief when the video was taken down.

And I broke down, and I know I say that quite a bit, but it's something where I always felt like people had watched the video before talking with me.

And so now knowing that that isn't the case anymore, is truly just such a great feeling. Laura's "Sentencing in Arizona" is currently scheduled for October 23rd. We'll be back with another episode then. In the meantime, Mike and Danielle are still waiting to see if Laura continues to pursue her appeal and her domestic violence restraining order case in California.

In light of Laura's guilty plea, I asked Danielle if she thinks Laura will back down from pursuing her appeal or filing a new DVRO against Mike. I don't think she's actually remorseful.

Is what it comes down to.

I think she was caught red handed in the act, and she was forced into a corner.

I don't actually believe that she thinks she was in the wrong. She's trying to do what's in her best interest. And I think that's the worst part of her pleading guilty is because I know she's not sorry. We've known she's not sorry at this whole time while she was filing appeals in California with 14 felonies against her. She didn't care.

She's had no mercy on any of us. And now she's asking for mercy. Get out of here. I'll be waiting for Laura. I'll be waiting for Laura.

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