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Listen to Love Trap podcast on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Stephanie, back with the bonus episode. In episode 6, we heard some of Laura's taped deposition. It was recorded in March of 2024, and it hasn't been made public before now. So we wanted to share some more of the jaw-dropping moments from the deposition

that didn't make it into the last episode. Here begins video number one in the video deposition of Laura Michelle Owens. I want to start at the very beginning because I think it's telling.

“Remember, two years before this recording, Laura emailed a judge,”

accusing Clayton's lawyer Greg Woodnik, of conspiring to have her raped. In the end, nothing came of that allegation. No police report, no investigation, nothing. When Woodnik sat down to tape Laura's deposition in Clayton's case, he was strikingly patient, thorough, and kind. He spends five minutes making sure she understands the deposition process and her rights. Laura, we're here for your deposition.

And before I start you with questions, I want to make sure you understand the rules of depositions here in Arizona. I'm going to do my best to speak slowly so that our sweet court reporter can transcribe all the words I'm saying. If I go too fast, she'll probably correctly and slow me down. She'll do the same for you. I'll ask you a question and I expected to answer the question. I will do my best not to talk over you and I would ask that you do the same

to not talk over me. This is a deposition which means it's my opportunity as counsel for Mr. Eckert to ask you questions and you're under oath. It's like a judicial proceeding you're expected to testify truthfully. I am not smart enough to ask tricky questions. I'm going to ask real basic questions and ask for basic answers. We're going to be covering some sensitive material today and none of the words that I'm going to be using bother me, but they may bother you.

I will do my best to get through those questions quickly and efficiently. I will also take breaks along the way for bathroom and whatnot. There's a bathroom here. There's one upstairs. There are bagels and water if you need it. Doesn't go like you grabbed a water bottle. We can bring you one. I want you to be comfortable. Let us know what you need. If you need a break just let me know. We'll do a quick five minute break. We're scheduled for four hours. My hope is that we get done

much quicker, but a lot of that will depend on our process today and how quickly this goes. I want to share with you that I'm going to be asking you questions that may involve the need for you to exercise your Fifth Amendment right. I put this on the record because

you always have a right to not answer my question. I'm assuming you're attorney told you about this.

Amendment right. However, you want to word it. If that happens a lot during the deposition,

you and I can come to a little routine where you go, plead the Fifth and I'll just move on to the next question. I assure you and Corey will make sure I do this. I will not badger you about the question you plead the Fifth to. I will move on to the next question. If you choose to plead the Fifth, I just literally will finish my questions so I make a clear record and then I'll move on to the next issue. It is not a situation where I'm going to nag you about the question you did not

“answer. But you always have the right to plead the Fifth and I will respect that as I think the”

court will as well. Let's get into it. Laura, can you give me the full spelling of your name?

Yes, I just had one question about the pleading of the Fifth because we had not discussed that before.

I should know what the Fifth means. I can't. Yes, and actually I'm thinking you because you did exactly what you're supposed to do. You asked a question because you didn't understand my comments. So I thank you for that. You have a right to not answer questions on the grounds that it may incriminate you. In any legal proceeding and Corey will correct me if I'm wrong, you don't have to answer questions. This is what people do when they're worried about

criminal consequences for the answers to their questions. You don't have to. This is just a civil proceeding but even if it were a criminal proceeding, the way the law works is you don't have to answer any question that's incriminating to you. So you can plead the Fifth. There may be consequences and family court to deal with. Corey can explain that to you offline. But if I were to ask a question and you felt that the answer to that question could cause you criminal

“consequence, all you have to do and Corey can confirm this to say, Greg or Mr. Woodenick,”

please call me Greg. I'm going to go ahead and plead the Fifth. I will stop and I will move on to the next question. Is that answer your question? Okay. Woodenick starts by asking some basic questions. They go through her revenue streams, her health history, and her medication list. I'm going to start off with some exhibits right now. Actually, before I do that, I get a

couple more questions for you. Under oath, is it your testimony that you have never been prescribed

the drug Nova Realm? I don't know what note. Is there another name for it? I'll give you some of the generic names. If you don't recognize the name, just say I don't recognize it. Have you been prescribed the drug Nova Realm? Not that I recall. Ovid Realm, Ovid REL? That doesn't sound familiar. Pregnable, PR-EG and YL. I don't know what that is. Prophecy, PR-O, FASI. No, that doesn't sound familiar.

Chlamophane. That doesn't sound familiar. Clomid? That doesn't sound familiar. Seraphane. Now. Wouldn't it ask her about every little detail? And it becomes clear. Laura has been a patient

“at a variety of major telehealth companies. I think it's called Tia, but I don't remember who”

what her name. Tia. Tia. Oh, yes. Tia. And it's kind of like one medical. I used a service called capsule. Is that a male service for pharmacy? Kind of. It's like a delivery one. Who would prescribe that? That's prescribed by an online service. What's an MD online service? Health paper. It's like a self-pay service. They don't accept insurance. Let me ask the question better. If you had strep throat or who would you go see?

I would probably see one medical. Was your OBGYN it? I would say the doctor is on mom doc. Okay, so I want to make real, there'll be a real clear on this. We're here because of obviously as you know allegations that there's a some fraud and a pregnancy claim. The only OBGYN that you're stating today under oath and again, you complete the fifth is the doc at mom doc. The only OBGYN that I have seen in the past two years.

That I have seen, yes, I had appointments with others that were canceled and I was accepted into a high risk practice, but I can't so be a point. Sanvers, I can be real clear on this. You understand what an OBGYN is? Correct. What is that? An obstetrician or a gynecologist or both. In the past 24 months, what is the name of any obstetrician or gynecologist who you have had a medical proceeding or actual appointment with? The ones that I stated. No, so those are appointments

you didn't go to. I want to talk about you actually went in and had a discussion with a doctor in a waiting room or in a patient room. Mom doc. So mom doc? Do you have been inside the office at

at mom doc and maybe a nurse who would go in during a gynecological check-in, whatever.

Correct. Yes. That is the only obstetrician or gynecologist for which you have been inside their practice office in the past 24 months. I guess as well. I mean, it was a banner at the urgent care list. That was the urgent care appointment where she took an in-office pregnancy test that measured her HCG levels. As you know, that test came back positive. This is something we'll get into in a later episode. Then, when that continued the deposition, moving on to Laura's

history of lawsuits. I want to talk about litigation that you've been involved in historically. You had, and I'm just going through to make sure I've got them all. You were involved in a civil

case of personal injury case in California? Correct. You had an order of protection involving

“Mr. Gillespie, correct? Correct. Protective order proceeding involving Clay Neckard, correct?”

Enjunction against harassment related to Clay Neckard? Correct. There's the current paternity action which is pending before Judge Julie Mata, correct? Correct. Any other litigation that I need to know about? Not that I can think of now. Well, you sued Dave Neal, the podcaster? I tried to get an injunction against harassment. I didn't sue him. You also had a civil name change action that you filed in the middle of this case? Correct. In November 2023, Laura

filed a petition to change her name. Have you ever gone by any other aliases? No. There was a legal proceeding in which you asked to change your name to a different name. Do you recall what that name was? Emily Wilson? Have you ever gone by the name Emily Wilson? Other than for purposes

“of filing the petition for name change? No. Have you ever signed any document under the name”

Emily Wilson? No. Laura wrote that she was being stalked and harassed online. She also said she has an order of protection against three men who were trying to locate her. But less than a month later, Laura withdrew this petition. Stating that quote, a YouTube content creator named Dave Neal discovered my name change petition shortly after its filing and chose to share this information with his audience. This dissemination of my intended name change, as well as the reasons why

I requested it, have rendered the new name ineffective and therefore unusable due to the public exposure. She also asked for a refund of any fees associated with the name change process. The court denied that request in May of 2024. Let's go ahead and take a five-minute FAFSA break right now. Off the record at 8.57 a.m. After the break, wouldn't it turn to some exhibits? Okay. I'm going to show you what's been marked as exhibit

number one and actually it should be right in front of you. There's knowledge that those are the same ultrasound image. Ah, yes. And they both have your name on it? Yes. And they both have your identifying information on them? Yes. And you're denying it or yours? Yes. Okay. Let's go on to exhibit number three.

“Exhibit number three is an honor health care Scottsdale sonogram dated August 8, 2021. That's what it's”

has. Is that your sonogram exhibit three? No. So you're denying that exhibits one, two, and three are your medical records. Correct. Okay. Exhibit number four. You acknowledged that you sent that message to Clayton Eckerd on May 17, 2023? Yes. Okay. So that is actually you. Yes. Okay. But the exhibits one, two, and three were not you. Correct. Okay. I'm going to show you exhibit number five. It continued on like this for some time with Laura picking and choosing what were real messages

she'd sent. Then, wouldn't it turned up the heat and asked about the doctor's appointments, Laura claims she'd been to. I'm going to be real clear. You testified under oath before Judge Gail Ketzes on November 2, 2023. Correct. Correct. And everything you said to Judge Gail Ketzes was truthful. Um, that I can recall. Okay. You told Judge Gail Ketzes that you had seen Dr. McCool.

I'm going to play it for you in a second. I'm just reminding you before I play it. You testified

under oath with Judge Gail Ketzes that you were being treated by Dr. McCool. Correct. Well, technically I was accepted into his practice. I was still. So you did his time line? Yes. You didn't lie. You just misled? I, I don't think that that's of, I don't think that's a fair way to say it. I mean, he accepts people based on whether or not he could be there for their

met him. Because I had to speak extensively with his office in order to get accepted.

“What color here does Dr. McCool have? He doesn't have hair as far as I know. Have you ever met him?”

No. Has he ever touched you shaking your hand? No. Sorry. But you told Judge Gail Ketzes that you were being treated by Dr. McCool, correct or incorrect. Correct. I'm still in his patient portal. It says that I'm one of his patients. So it does still say that in the patient portal. Woodenick wanted answers about the ultrasound. She'd sent Clayton. Your position is that the ultrasound from July. Correct. It says that you're pregnant with twins. Correct. Okay. And then

it's confirmed by another provider. Hang on, we're getting there. Okay. And show me in the labs where the fetuses were gendered. Well, I had to ask a provider online what they thought and for whatever reason they said they thought it looked like a boy in a girl. I don't understand, again, it was the provider who was the provider who told you that exhibit number nine was a male and female fetus. It was whatever service I got, the pills from. I had provided them with the

ultrasound image. I'm sure I have to wait. I need that. So how can you get that to me? I can, I will be able to find it. I can find it. I will get it to you. Can I ask a question? Correct. Did you to get the abortion pills? Yes. You had to provide information to the online abortion portal.

“I wasn't really a portal. It was like a texting service. Okay. What did you send then?”

I sent them like the test from Bayonner. And I sent them this because I was wanting to know if

I needed to take more if it was going to be twins. Okay, for a second. So let's talk about that.

The image that you sent to that service? Mm-hmm. Okay. How did you send it to? Text. As far as I recall, it could have been uploading to something I, I, I, gone, I, I just blissed it. So we're going to get, you have no problem sharing the name of that service? I don't. And the image that you sent to them was it the one that you all told or was it the original? Are you talking about the part that was altered at the top? You know what I'm talking about. You changed a medical record and you're not a physician. Correct.

I changed the top, but it was my image. Did you send this service the altered version of exhibit nine or the original version of exhibit nine? I believe I just sent them, I don't know. I sent them the old for sound. I'm honestly not sure. Near the end of the deposition, Woodnut asks her about a doctor's appointment. She said she'd been to an october. And Laura reveals this was another video appointment, not an in-person exam.

Wood, hang on for a second. October 17th, 2023 was a video appointment?

Um, yes. Okay. So when you say here, so this appointment says that she's treating that you're being treated for a traumatic brain injury, epilepsy, depression, ADHD, and it says, and they discuss your meds during pregnancy, you're getting care with an epileptic clinic today, and it says you're currently 22 weeks pregnant with a boy and girl. Correct. So that was from yourself reporting through video portal. Correct. That was yes. So we can agree that Stephanie Chen did not examine you physically. Well she saw me physically on a video.

I think I was very noticeably pregnant. I mean, so we can agree that she didn't examine you physically, and also she's a nurse, but she didn't examine you physically. Well, I mean, she didn't know, but she saw of what my stomach looked like. Right. And you understand that there's been allegations that you were wearing a prosthetic stomach? I'm aware of the allegations. Yeah. Okay. We're going to talk about that in a little bit. Yes.

They never do return to the allegations that Laura was wearing a prosthetic stomach,

but at the end of the deposition, wouldn't it ask her this question? Are you familiar with the word "sudo-cysis"? Mm-hmm. What is it? I've seen it on Reddit about thinking your pregnant. Have you researched it at all? Like WebMD? That's sort of thing. Absolutely not. I just saw it on there because people have accused me of that when I have medical proof of each. So I'm not concerned.

“That's all we got. Anyway, I think today we're done. Anything else for the record before we close?”

This will mark the end of video number one. This deposition has concluded. We are off the record at 11.34 a.m.

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