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Hey, it's Stephanie. Back with another bonus episode. Before we get to episode 10, I want to explain a bit about Laura and her mom's interaction with the Scottsdale police. In November and December of 2023, the police were dispatched to Laura's house for a welfare check on her, at least four separate times. Two of them were recorded on officer body camps and have been made public.
Today, we're going to play you those recordings. You'll get to hear from Laura's mom, Jan Black, and from Laura herself. They tell the police their side of the story. We lightly edited them to cut out dead air or repeated information, but we've left these mostly intact, so you can hear the whole interaction.
We're starting with the welfare check on December 12th, 2023. Laura's mom Jan is the one who answers the door. And just a heads up, you'll hear the officer's phone buzzing from time to time.
“Is this somebody called that a welfare check of her?”
Yes. So friend from New York, I don't know if you know who that might be. No, what I do know is that she is the target of an online harassment campaign that has been going on for months. Okay, and one of the things that they wanted to do, it was started by a disgruntled ex-boyfriend of hers. And he started posting all of this crazy stuff about her on Reddit stuff that is unbelievable. And so he has encouraged people to call in the Scott Stone Police Department and to ask for a welfare check.
This is like the third one in a week.
Okay. And I had contacted the, I mean, she called in and talked to the Scott's Police Department as well. And said, you know, we don't want your resources. This is, this is ridiculous. It's a prank. Okay, thing. But I'm happy to go get her. She was, she was taking an altitude. This has been devastating beyond belief. Is she asleep now?
She's, she's taken a nap, but I can wake her up. I don't think that would be necessary. It's okay. We'll let it. So I don't, for some reason, it wasn't in our notes for your address. I'm going to put comments in there that says this is an ongoing prank. Right. All right. They still may send. We have to understand, because if it's not us on,
we're not the same dispatchers. They still might just send on it. But I would work on trying to contact Reddit and let them know.
She has contacted them.
They will not take it down and discard.
He's created a different fake accounts. He, I mean, it's, it's, it's he's going to
“write likes. Have you looked into a junction against harassment?”
She has against it. She's, this is part of his part of his thing. She's had this against him for two years. And, um, this is a whole exploit friend Yeah, it's an old exploit friend. And she had the injunction against her harassment against him. I mean, he's really, uh, another friend of ours, who is an FBI pro-filer, had looked at, you know, what this guy is all about.
And she said he's the kind of person who is not going to stop unless he thinks he's got a win. Okay. And he had, he had said to her, uh, he texted her. I will destroy your life. I will destroy your reputation. And that was two years ago. And he's just, he's just continued this. Is he local here? Yeah. He's local. What's his name? He's local. He has made it phrase the last week. But he, he could have called from a fake number.
Or like I say, he's tried to, um, start stuff online. She had, she contacted the South Seattle Police Department with a lot of instances of these. And they sent it to the prosecutor's office. And the prosecutor's office said that they didn't think they could get a conviction on that they said there was a lot of stuff. But they didn't know that they,
“if they would be able to get a conviction on that. So I think that one of his motives is to try”
to make it so that when he, her order against him comes up for renewal next year, that he can say, well, what, you know, she's, you know, crazy. You know, look at all this stuff that he's posted online about her. And, you know, well, and then especially for her documentary, get copies of it. So then she can go right back to the judge and be like, right, what's going on? Right. And he's contacted a floodcaster who has also been doing just relentless posts about her. And also strange.
My now, well, what happened, what prompted a lot of this stuff is my daughter became pregnant by the guy who was the Bachelor last year. She became pregnant by him in May. And then he was acting like, oh, you're not really pregnant. Or if you are pregnant, it's not lying. And then other times he was saying to us like, oh, but he wanted to be involved in the pregnancy at all this kind of stuff. So anyhow, when this ex-boyfriend found out about her pregnancy with this guy, then it sent him
like into kind of an overdrive thing. And then he reached out to him. And it's like, my, my daughter finally did a big post on medium. The other day, explaining, you know, just the toll that all of this has
“has taken on her and how it's just, it's just, it's crazy. The only, I think there's probably”
somebody, our neighbor, maybe six dogs. Oh, I think that this is like pick up. Oh, okay, okay,
it's over like, I know, I know, I'm always kind of like that, too. Um, get on, I also try to get
on. Um, you can contact Google at different places and have her information removed from online, like house, phone number, things like that. Uh-huh. Work on doing that, too. Um, try to get as much of your information as you can offline. Uh-huh. I know it's hard. Uh, we, we have to do it. And that's exactly how they tell us to do it. And there's ways to like whitepages.com. And you can go on, there's a link it says, remove my information. Uh-huh. And you can go on that half or start doing
all that information, too. Um, and then I, I get the, they're coming to the house, but see what you can do to block that information. Right. Right. Right. Well, I just feel, I feel really awful for you guys because, you know, this is, this is, it's a waste of, it's a waste of resources. And it's obviously, you know, Frank. Do you know what phone number had contacted? It's a four out of five area code. It's out of New York. Four and five is, is, seven. It's about two years from seven. It's just
though, our number is a four out of five. The four one five one day, the person that called us gave us that phone number, contact us. So, whoever called doesn't have it. It's getting old information online.
Okay. Do you have, do you, because I think, let's give it, give me a second. I'll walk out
and grab it. Oh, that would be great. Do you know how to spell Greg's last name? Is it G-I-L-L-E-S-K-I-E? Has he been harassing her by stopping by the house at all? I think like that. He has gone into her email. He, they, they dated very briefly and she became pregnant by him.
Okay.
So, she filed an abortion coercion case against him. Okay. Which really ticked him off? Yeah. She didn't ask for anybody for her. She asked for a charitable donation for abortion coercion. Did you get it? Yeah, it's for, I'm going to actually give them a call.
“So, to follow up with them. Okay. What is, what is Greg Drive, do you know?”
I don't. I don't. She didn't. He's made guys. I mean, absolutely, he's made crazy
things. He's posted online stuff saying that he went to high school, whether which he never did.
I mean, he's posted on these fake accounts saying that he knew where in high school and that she was pregnant by a developmental, developmentally disabled kid, the father of somebody else, the principal, the school principal. I mean, things that are so unbelievably outrageous. I mean, it's just like, it's to really, I think, try to discredit her again so that when her order against him comes up, that it'll look like,
oh, wow, you look at the stuff online, man, you know. So, so there is a current order of
“protection against him. Yes. Yes, there is. And what is it? It's filed against him. Yeah.”
Yeah. County, okay. Okay. And I mean, and the guy is the guy is on hand. I mean, I had no sounds like. I had no clue what, you know, I had said to her, when she won a file,
this abortion poor Asian case in the first place, I said, you know what? Just let's leave
and don't slide. Just be done with him and you're making like that. She was like, no, I feel really strongly about what he did and the way he did it to me. And so, you know, she went ahead with it. And as I say, it just started this torrent of, oh, yeah, really, really bad stuff. But anyway, I, I, I, I appreciate it. Yeah. And no problem. How, look and definitely look in the trying to get any information you can removed our mind. Oh, they had your name, too.
They didn't. What did they have as Elizabeth? Okay. That's my, yeah, that's my given name. Jam is my nickname. Jail is my name. Robert? What was it? When I took a picture of it just, oh, okay, you know, you have your husband's name, too. Okay, Ron. Ron. Okay. So, um, this address. So, I will, I would definitely try to see whatever you can do from online. Yeah. Well, they've, they've been trying to post on our social media stuff. They posted on her social media
stuff. They've, uh, and this guy, as I say, um, when she was going out with him, he said, like, you know, I'm really suspicious of people. So, um, you know, would you give me your password? Because I wouldn't want to think, you know, I want everything to be, you know, to just, I want to trust each other. So, he, she gave issues like, oh, okay, sure enough. So, he's gone in to her emails from years and years ago. And, and, doctored emails and sent them as though they were from her, he's doctored
letterhead. Um, he did come here one time, uh, when she was dating him and, and the first thing he
said is he said, hey, I need your parents Wi-Fi information. He was out here and he said, I need to Wi-Fi. What's her with their password and stuff like that? So, he's, he's been doing it. Yeah. Um, if, uh, later when you speak Tolora, I can say I want to, necessarily want to wake her up, but if she wants to speak with someone from the police department about everything that's been going on lately, because he said it's been like the third time and about the last week or so.
“Right. And she had talked with a detective reading. I think he had come up with, uh, he had”
some stuff and forwarded it to the prosecutors, but the prosecutors just said that they're, you know, they'd have to be assured of getting a screenshot to have her reach out to the detective reading again and let him know what's going on with this now. Uh, um, that may be able to kind of help maybe refile such as I think what his thing was that it would be difficult for him to be able to prove, you know, she was suspicious of all this stuff, but that, I mean, we pretty, you know, there's
nobody else who would have the motive to do it. Yeah. It is different. It's hard to prove it. Yeah. But it's, it's a proven because he goes on Monday. He was like, I say, he obviously, you know, doctor, that did they say what their concern was when they call suicidal comments. Okay. Well, because she had, when she posted this thing on medium, she, she had written in there that it, that this, unrelenting, this has gone on for months, uh, that this had made her feel borderlines to a
Societal.
you know, it's not the case. Right. Right. It's like she, she had said to me like, oh my god,
how much more of this can I take? Does she have any friends in New York? My daughter lives in New York. My other daughter lives in New York, but she's, she's well aware of what's going on. She, she would, and she would contact you. Oh, of course. Of course. And Laura talks to her like, like, two hours a day that they're on the phone. So, and I was just with my daughter in there, like five minutes before you guys rang. And then the reason I, she lives in the casino and the reason I
left was because she said, hey, I'm just, I'm spent from all this. I just want to close my eyes
“for a little bit. No. When did she post that? When did she post the medium thing?”
She yesterday yesterday. No, it was before, yeah. I mean, it was, it was on there yesterday, but I want to say it was maybe, uh, today's Tuesday, maybe Friday night or Saturday. Okay. That kind of goes with the timeline. I'm going to give this to you, not that you guys are in crisis. Uh-huh. But they might be able to kind of help, just give her someone else to talk to, or they have resources that we don't even know exist. Oh, really? Reach out. They might be able to help you,
okay. I said a good direction. Okay. Okay. Okay. And I'll switch out to the detective for Egan and yeah. Yeah. Let him know what's been happening. Yeah. That way, he's kind of a prize to excuse me. It might, it might be able to help kind of open a different board or a different direction,
“but reach out to him and give him. Okay. These guys have a lot of resources that we don't even know”
exist. Okay. So, give them a call. Okay. Yeah. I can't hurt. No. I mean, because like she had said, she had tried to be anonymous with this whole thing initially with the pregnancy with the bachelor guy, and then, and then people were saying, well, wait, you can, or this guy was starting the conversation that way, she could Google the case, and then her name comes up, and it's Laura Owens, and she's a podcast. She and I do a podcast. Um, we've done it for, uh, I guess it's 2017.
And iTunes named us one of the top 25 most downloaded new podcasts in 2018. So we know what we've had, we've had success with it. But I mean, this is just, you know, she, she really had wanted to stay
under under the radar on this, and then she finally decided like, hey, you know, this guy is
controlling the narrative, and, and I have to speak out. I have to explain what's been going on, because otherwise she was feeling like she was getting no support from for anybody, because she didn't really want to go tell her friends and everything like that, that this was all going on. So it's just, it's a nightmare, but I really appreciate it. No problem. Yeah, we'll put comments in there, so they know all right, Officer Brannick was the guy who, who, uh, contacted through the other night,
like, yeah, yeah, so we'll put comments in there with the address, and then it'll come up in the history, and we'll go back and read through the comments. So we'll try to do that to help you, guys out a little bit. Okay. Yeah, no, I really appreciate it. Anything to help you. Hey, wait, I've got some of you guys hanging with us at the end of the video, Jan hands a candy bar to one of the officers. He takes it, and thanks, Jan. I hope this is a bribe, it's a bribe, but that's not
you. Thank you. Another welfare check happened a week earlier on December 4th, 2023, and this time, Laura joins the conversation.
“All right, for you. Laura is my daughter. Okay, she here. Yeah, what's my daughter?”
She called the FBI, and my FBI called us to come check her make sure she's okay. She was reporting something to him, but she was upset and sounded like she made some statements. They just wanted to make sure she's okay. Oh, was this a long time?
Now, this was supposedly this morning. Okay, hang on a second, and I just make sure I can see your car.
They said she's back here, but she was going to come out. We're sure police cars. Huh? Oh, we're the police car. I just, we have some really strange things. Where's your police car? There's two of them sitting right here. Okay, okay, all right, we'll come on. Yeah. We're, um, but she lives in the back in the little case. Yeah, this is the case, so you want, why don't you come on in? Okay. Yeah, and sit down.
Maybe it's okay. Yeah, she's, she's had some real issues with, um, uh, and that ex-boyfriend, who,
It is the most complicated bizarre story ever.
we're here is she evidently gave the FBI it, talked to them. They just wanted us to swing by to make sure
she's okay. Okay, all right. It's all we need. Let me just go out of this, you know.
“Hi! Hey there, morning. Good morning. Did you contact the FBI this morning?”
Cybercrimes, you did. Yeah. Um, did you talk to somebody or, no, no, no, he contacted me. I like to just submit it at like an hour ago. If it's the same thing, she helped me with the, eat them report. Um, did. So the information we got was that you submitted some to the FBI. It didn't say whether you talk to somebody on the phone, or electronically, it made an online complaint. Yeah. It said something you said was borderline suicidal. Right. That was from the guy that
that was also from. So the FBI called us, come check on you to make sure you're okay and you're okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, that was like, so you weren't, were you talking about whatever you said, were you talking about yourself or someone else? Yeah, but it was like from a couple months ago. She was, she's been, she's been targeted, like, she's had a lot of her surgery with the side of her. I did. I did. I saw my ex-boyfriend from another guy that I was obsessed with her. Yeah. And she, if you
video has been on YouTube. So yeah, she has, she has, she has simply asked them to stop. She's filed the season to sit asking of to stop. And they're not, they haven't stopped. And so she will, she thought that, that, you know, it needs to go to some kind of cyber crimes, you know, she had said in there that the harassment. I can say it. I can hold the guys specifically, but like creating these daily videos about me, it made me feel borderline suicidal. I was like, last month,
I, I message him and he came to me to make videos about me, but I'm fine. And he's like, this guy has made, like, 40, 50. Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's like, somebody at the FBI actually saw your, yeah, okay, right, and saw there where it's like these videos making people want to sign on. They're like, right, we're like, oh, we're better calls out to him. Like, you're, you're not actually going to hurt yourself. Right. No, and you're not. No,
you don't need any assistance in the past or, okay. No, I'm good. No, yeah, I'm more to each of it. Unless you two kept the guy to stop, but I mean, it's been, it's been horrific. Absolutely. Well, tell me if somebody else the FBI guy is playing, so hopefully, hopefully they did something. Yeah,
“that's what I'm probably. The mom here, we're, everything going on, right? So you're here.”
I'm more than, okay, yeah, yeah, I'm everything is going on. No, it's been, it's been, well, and if,
three months, and if you do start feeling like, yeah, you can always call us because we can get you
help, too. No, I don't really appreciate that. I mean, what would be great is just for the sketch of stop, it's just very scary. But it's just that he's, he's just really tried to insight on the line hatred of her and he, he was, she has protective orders against two prior boyfriends. And one of them is, is a real, is a real stalker kind of a nut, and has done every, he, he's sore that he was going to ruin her life. And he was able to hack it to her computer, he had
her password, and so he had all this kind of stuff. And it's just, he, he didn't contact with this YouTube guy, and he's just tried to do, you know, just to ruin her to have up with all these fake stories, this craziness, and, and posted online about her. And so, so, you know, she was
finally thinking like, if a season system work, and she's trying to get a temporary restraining order
against this guy, a little bit, and he's now like, the first amendment. Yeah, that's the way to
“pull up those, you know, different things. And he's right, right, and that's why I figured I have to”
contact him. And he's planning, he's got a right to post up, but he doesn't have a right to, to post lies, but anyway, but, but so Laura was saying, well, maybe, you know, he has violated these cyber stalking and cyber crimes stuff. This guy posted a map of, uh, to my house and another house, he posted a map of the house, and he posted a map of the house, and he posted a map of the house, and he posted a map of the house, and he posted a map of the house, and he had that on his computer
up in the background when he was posting one of these the other day. Yeah, so Laura was thinking, you know, maybe if we contacted the cyber crime, the cyber stalking unit, that maybe that, yeah, I mean, people have said, like, they help. I'm an organ donor, because then something good would come from my pathetic existence. Like, I'm a waste of skin, like they've been
They're very mean.
because it's like, where do we, where do we even turn, if they, they won't respect the court
system, and, and, you know, they've, they've just tried to, to do everything to, to hurt us, um, to hurt, you know, the family, too. I mean, they've, you know, it's just, it's just been an
“absolute nightmare. Well, long as you're okay, yeah, but that's why we're here to make sure.”
We're really appreciate that. You know what I mean? You're like, if everything went through,
so many of you have part of it. Okay, I really, I really don't know what you're going to do.
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Building a business around the life you actually want. It was just us making happen, whatever he said was going to happen and then it happened. On those amigos entrepreneurs like America, Sam and Joe Hof get real about money, taking risk and while your dream might be the smartest move. The end of my life, what am I really going to care about and the conclusion I came to is what I did to make the world a
better place and whatever way. Listen to those amigos on the iHeart radio app, apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. On paper, the three hosts of the Nick Dick & Paul show are geniuses. We can explain how AI works, data centers, but there are certain things that we don't necessarily understand. Better version of play stupid games when stupid prizes. Which by the way,
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But hey, no one's perfect. We're pretty close though. Listen to the Nick Dick & Paul show on the iHeart radio app, apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
