#625: Building the Perfect Family Compound | Curtis Stone

What is a goddamn wine-faytony? Please do not use gendered language. Then why? I'll be arrested! Put in airport jail!

Well, you're gonna commit sideways. It's a big club, and you ain't in it. How bad is you?

“Mr. Speaker, the president of the United States!”

I'm Mr. Speaker, the president of the United States. Jack Mary's Tech There, a Tricks. I am Mr. Speaker, the Glee Jackson, Sacramento, Heems. Steven Sagaal. Mr. Speaker, I'm Keith Morris.

This is Mumbai, Good Guy, Peter. I'm Rick James, Peter. Sorting through the lives. The high-jackers passport was found blocks from the world traits that are crash-sided.

They can believe that. We cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. They can uncovering the centuries-long plan for world domination. I'm not Cuban, I'm in some food. Hey pop back honey, Peter.

You've never been an animal in a Turkish prison.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, what do you call? It's way too warm. I have said six of my living missiles. Too warm. You see it.

Hardware, you fly to me.

“I think it could be more fun than jumping on a cliff.”

Too German by such a foe. Oh, you English are so superior. Aren't you? Thank you, Robert. And now, macro aggressions, I thought I was all calling.

With your hopes. I don't know who you are, and you're about to get familiar. Charlie Robinson. Hey, why'd he? Where's your hat?

Wouldn't drop the blame on Charlie and say it's all Charlie's fault. He was a retard. I get some goddamn guy already killing me. Well, come to macro aggressions. I'm your host Charlie Robinson.

If you're watching us on rumbleband.videoYouTube, or you're listening wherever podcasts are served. Thanks a million. We appreciate your continued support over the years.

“If you want to connect with me, macroaggressions.io is the website to do that.”

Hopefully, you are getting some of your news over at activistpost.com, fantastic resource

for that, we are so excited to have amazing sponsors that help to keep this show going chemical

free body. And the crew over there has been with me from the beginning, I take green 85 every morning. I'm very proactive about that, something that I think everybody should check out and do. If you haven't done the detox bundle or the parasite cleanse, you might want to look into that.

You can knock out the parasite cleanse in a month. It will change your life. I lost about about eight percent of my body weight on that one, not that I was looking to lose weight, but just kind of happens in the aftermath of that. There's a lot going on.

I encourage people to go to chemicalfreebody.com/macro, check out what they've got. They've got the parasite cleanse, they've got the detox in the box, they have green 85, they have the super soldier formula that Pat Milititch has put out with them and on top of all that. The water hero system, you might want to take a look at that, you can get structured

water into your home and change your life. So if you're interested, chemicalfreebody.com/macro, check it out, see what you think. Also, storeable food. For those of you who want storeable food, you might actually eat in the event of the apocalypse or whatever we're facing, Augustine Farms has that.

They have the most elaborate selection of storeable food I have ever seen. I did not know that half of this stuff even existed, and yet it does. You can buy dehydrated butter powder, you know, like I didn't know that that was a thing. It is. You can get eggs and dairy, fruits and vegetables, meats and protein, baking mixes, all kinds

of things. There's a lot going on over there, and they also have a warehouse sale item section too, so you can find some things that are on sale. Not going on, camping supplies, emergency kits, recipes for how to cook all this, you know, it doesn't do you much good to have storeable food that's dehydrated and you go shit.

I don't know how to cook any of this stuff. They have cookbooks too, so it's all happening over at Augustine Farms, you can go over

there, Augustine Farms.com, use the discount code macro to save 10% off of your first order.

And of course, the links for all of this stuff in the show notes, you don't have to write it down if you're driving around. You want to check it out later. Go do that. Or you can go to my website, macroaggressions.io, all the links are over there.

So check it out if you're looking for storeable food. Well, you're going to enjoy this one. This is my conversation with Curtis Stone, Curtis and I have known each other for a few years through Jeff and the Anarcha Polco crew, but I'll tell you what, you know, he's the guy you want to talk to about living off-grid, getting yourself a compound.

Well, it's good to be back with Curtis Stone, talking about all kinds of things that I never

thought I'd be talking about. I never thought I'd be talking about farming. I know, I'm not a farmer, I used to laugh my grandparents in Tennessee when I was a kid and stay with them. And they'd like a, I don't know, I mean, like a quarter acre piece of land, and it was on

bordered on the lake, but they had this little garden, and it wasn't very big. Maybe, I don't know, to 20, 20 yards, while on by 10 yards, why I don't know, not big. There's always food. There's so much food that they would add on their carport, like a big bucket with extra food, and they would just leave it there.

And periodically, I would see neighbors that would drive in down their driveway, stop, get out, grab some stuff, get in their car and leave, which they were supposed to do.

“It was like kind of known, and I thought, how's that little thing throw off so much food?”

It was the first time I ever really had any sort of practical understanding of food, how it works, how it grows, you know, being raised in like the suburbs, you just don't have that. And so it was, it was like magic to me.

And I never thought I'd have any interest in it.

Yeah. Now, and I've talked to so many people in the last couple of years about farming, it's just wild man, so it's amazing how abundant and productive a small piece of land can be in the right conditions. Yeah.

How many people of you guys on your website, 6476 farms, you guys have launched? Well, yeah, inadvertently, you know, people that have been in our platform, and then we've kind of shown them how to do it. I mean, in my career, it's got to be way more than that now, because my book came out about its 10 years, man, my book came out 10 years ago, the urban farmer.

So yeah, a lot, man, you know, it's funny though, because like, things change, you know,

I'm always, I'm the kind of guy who I've, I kind of get sick of things after 10 years,

and I kind of do something else, but I mean, I still live on the land. I still do farm, I do all that freedom farmers, you know, teaches is bringing people through all the time, and we're helping people, but you know, ever since the COVID show, freedom has become my like obsession, you know, sovereignty, you know. And so that's for myself, these days, that's more my day today is actually helping people

with Canadian law, and that's, you know, I don't know, Coca, we'll be hanging out next week. I can't wait.

“And, yeah, that's, that's what I present, that's what I teach people more of now is that”

stuff, because I mean, up here in Canada, it's, it's crazy at the same time, it's crazy everywhere. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know if what's going on in Canada is any more crazy than it isn't the US, it's just kind of like, pick your poison, right? So totally. Yeah.

So you, you, freedom farmers, first 10 years, farmers, next 10 years, freedom, right? Yeah, pretty, pretty much, that's what it's been for me, yeah, because I, I, I started learning the law, like I've been a conspiracy guy for like 26 years since I was 20 years old I'm 46 now, but I started really reading the law in 2014, because I started to get pissed. I was just like, wait a second, you want how much of my money for what, you know, this

is when the things were starting to get woken up, I was just like, this is crazy. And so I started reading the Canadian law, and I just found there was all these crazy loopholes, and I learned about this thing called equity, and then that opened up a whole can of worms, I started learning about trusts, and I was just like, wow, you know, it's like this whole system is set up for the billionaire class to confuse all the plebs, and

then they just get to do whatever they want, because they understand it, and they get taught these things, but people like us can figure these things out, it's just, you know, you

“got to take the time, but yeah, that's what it is for me now, especially as we look at”

all these things they're telling us they're going to do, right? They want digital ID, and they want digital money and all this stuff, and I'm just sitting here going, I just want what's mine, you know, that's too much to ask, is that too much to ask? I don't need to hand out, I don't need anything free, I'm happy to take care of myself

from my kids and grow our food and do all that, but I just want to know that what's mine is mine, and I'm not funding the madness. I agree, I would talk into some people who are more on the conservative side, and it's telling them I'm going down to an archipoko, and they're like what is that, I'm like it's the largest anarchist conference in the world, and I said you know, you, you get,

you conservative people would be surprised how much you have in common with the anarchist community, and you'd like them too, they're not the type to sit around, say oh daddy government please help me, they're very do it yourself, they're out there not waiting, you know, not looking for a hand out, they just, they just want to work, and they want to keep

we like that too, you know, this self-sufficient mindset that the conservative, they think

they have an monopoly on that, and the leftists are always looking to the state, and so

when they, I was just trying to inform them that like, you'd have a lot in common with the anarchist community because they're very proactive and results oriented and doing things, building outside of the system, and, and God, I mean, this current system right now is, is so baffling and confusing, I mean, you're talking about understanding Canadian

“law, and it's like you have to learn a whole new language, right? Like the words that”

you think mean one thing, don't mean what you thought they may, they might, they might look like legally, like it might be one thing, and if somebody says that to you, but if somebody is from the state is right in you, a letter, and calling you this particular

thing, it's not like in our case, in America, it would be domestic terrorists, right? Like

you're a domestic terrorist, like that's like a slur, but it's legally if you're a domestic terrorist operating on the homeland, and the battle in the homeland is a battlefield, then you're like no different than al-Qaeda, or legally, so like, so like there's a difference between the sub, when you're doing all your work, I mean, you just, you don't have a law background, I mean, maybe you do now. No, I, well, I do in that, you know, it's funny, because I,

I mean at this point, my law court unquote law practice, it's, again, I'm just a conspiracy

“theorist who started reading the law, but that, but that's what I tell people, if, if I ever”

do rub shoulders of people who don't really understand how I learn this stuff, and they ask why you're credentials, that's what I tell them. That's literally it, I'm just a guy who is paranoid about the new world order, and then I just started reading statutory law, and it and I found an absolute session with it, because I, like you just highlighted with the definitions.

I remember the first definition that I read that just blew my mind was the word includes,

in legalese, the word includes, comes from a Latin maxim, inclusio, which means that and only that. So, and that's why when you read, like, say a contract, you'll see it, I'll say, including, but not limited to. That's when includes means what you think it does, because they say but not limited to, but includes in legalese means this and only this. So, I remember a statute that really blew my mind when I was first getting into this stuff was I read the Canadian

Interpretations Act, and it says the definition of Canada includes the internal and territorial waters. So, this is like, what? It doesn't include land, because that includes means that, and only that includes means what is only said, and this is what a colleague of mine is a lawyer. I do work with some lawyers, sometimes, because like, we, sometimes, like, we'll sue people and stuff. So, I'll use lawyers, but, you know, a lawyer colleague of mine says,

the thing about statutory law is it is explicitly inclusive.

“And that means that the only thing that the law governs are the specific things that they say they govern.”

All the other things, quote unquote, that they didn't say, those are the things that are sort of outside the purview of what the law does. And that's often where the remedy is, is because they'll say things that, hey, this includes this and this and this, but then some layman comes in and says, oh, it includes, because I hear the left and the social justice lawyer, so at the time, I've already included, includes means everybody.

So, if I said to you, HR, we're having a party on Friday, there's going to be a dinner and it includes ice cream. You would assume that there'd be some kind of dinner and there'd be ice cream, but legally, all I said was, there's ice cream. And that's how they trick you. So, when you hear, say the pharmaceutical commercials and they say symptoms, include blah blah blah, they're saying specifically what these things are. They're not saying

it's inclusive, isn't it's all in, it's this, you know, another one that's interesting and law is acceptance. You assume in common parlance, acceptance means just like take it all, I accept all the terms and conditions or all of the liability, whatever, but acceptance and law means to hold with intent to retain. So, it doesn't mean that you just roll over and accept everything. It just means that you hold it with intent to obtain. So, it's a way of staying in honor. And that's what I say

is a big, was a big part of my awakening in, in starting to learn the law and actually practice and do things and get results was that everything comes down to acceptance. You have to accept everything, but if you know what acceptance means, that's not necessarily a bad thing. It just means that you're going to stay in honor. Okay, here we go. We're having a conversation now. I have the intent to retain. So, it's all, but it's all but intent. And so, it's all about just, do you stay in

honor or not? Because if you're not an honor, then they're going to railroad you. But if you stay in honor and you play their game. And this is kind of where I've had this sort of fall in this

anarcho-capitalist. And I guess I would say philosophically, I'm that. But that's often

in the world of as the world ought to be. And so, what I've discovered is that there's the world as it is and then there's the world as it ought to be. And sure, I believe in this anarchist utopia where everybody can just take responsibility for themselves. But that's just not the world we're in. And so, if you want to get a remedy, you want to say stop paying taxes, you want to have your assets protected. So, they can't be taken from you. You have to go in the way the world is as it is.

Otherwise, you're in law law land. And then you're just going to get lost in the next. Did you see Max Egan's presentation when we were down there? I might have this last year or year before I think. You was talking about navigating this world with one foot in and one foot out.

You know, like, you guess he was talking about it with respect to people asking him,

"Well, Max, how do you travel from one country to the next?" You know, you have a passports

“system and you have to use that. Doesn't that sort of go against everything that you believe?”

Of course it goes against everyone's. But I have one foot in and one foot out of the system. I have to navigate this. I have to do what's best for me. So, I have to play their game to the extent that I have to while keeping an eye on everything. I'll set that that was a good way to look at it because I said, "Right, Lee." Like, like, I would love to live in this world that we aspire to. However, I have to deal in the practical nature of where we are currently. So, so you can't

ignore where we are now. And so I guess what, if we're going to play the game, let's play it correctly. Let's understand what their words mean. And speaking of that, the word "understand" apparently means something different in this sport stand. It's all just to stand under. Yeah, you know, the thing I'll tell people, if you're getting into law, you can go and listen to, say, old Jordan Maxwell tapes and DVDs. And that's actually where I started.

Like, 20 plus years ago, before all this stuff was online. You can kind of go down these unnecessary rabbit holes with that kind of stuff. But you're right. You are right. I just think some of them are just rabbit holes at Lee, you know, where. But as you what you said about Max, it's absolutely correct. And I say the same thing. And that's where understanding equity and law really gets, in my opinion, gets the bulk of remedy and solutions is, okay, there's this matrix.

The matrix, what I call it is different. What David I calls it. And I think David I can understand it at a higher level, perhaps, on say a spiritual level. The probably is a matrix there. But when I say the matrix, what I'm referring to is the commercial paper system that comes out of

“the city of London and underneath the Vatican. That's how they've enslaved all of us to the”

birth certificate system. That's the matrix. And so your physical body is in the material world. But then there's this paper matrix where you've got this legal person that gets you into all these fiduciary duties. So you gotta play that game to some degree. And so that's what I grew with Max is like, yeah, you keep one foot into there because if you don't, your life becomes really complicated. Like, to not be able to have a commercial bank account, I'm going to have a mortgage,

or do a lot of the things that normal people do. And so you kind of have to stay in there partially. And that's where I find understanding the maxims of equity is. Is that equity is the boiler plate of of of the legal world. And so I like to imagine three books in front of me. Here we have the Holy Bible, the King James version. That's sort of what we understand in the west is the way the world is created and all laws based off that. But then over here on the right, I've got Blackslaw fifth,

which is the world of the devil. So there's the world that God created. And then there's the world that the devil administers through your consent and the rules of engagement are in the maximum of equity, the book in the middle, which is sort of what brings the three together. And so I found by understanding equity, which is the framework of law, I don't have to get so hung up in the statutory world because I can understand where they're going and what it's all about. And to get

equity is to just settle the issue and settle them out or not sit and play in the he said, oh, this should be this and get it in arguments. It's just settle the issue, settle the matter, which is often coming down to they want you to perform some kind of task. So how do they want you to perform and how will you perform? That's the question. And that's often the way through a lot of different statutory obligations are going to throw at you. Man, a bit you shave a lot of the

learning curve off of this for people that like come to you and don't even know what you do here to start like, I mean, I would think that if I had, if it was this or if it was a situation where

it's like, listen man, I got a couple million bucks. I'm looking for a place off the grid somewhere else.

“You'd be the first person I would contact, right? Like, why are I reinvent the wheel? Why?”

Say, oh, let me get online and see if I can find a place that has access to homesteads or

niche that I'm in now is like, because I'd done the land thing for so long and that's like a sure bet. So yeah, and I do this, this law stuff and the private. It's outside of freedom farmers, but it's all me. But yeah, I mean, for sure, I do that in a regular basis. I get people that are like, hey, I'm getting screwed with taxes and my law stuff is really only applicable to Canadians, just so people know. My land stuff is most of my clients in the US, but I do get people that

come to me and they're just like, I'm getting screwed in taxes. I'm worried they're going to take everything and I want to be off the grid. And so yeah, I do. I kind of help people in an all-encompassing way in that regard. Yeah. When people call you and they're looking for a homestead, what is it all? I mean, what's the reasoning behind it? Is it, is it, is it, I mean, these these days as they want to just get out of the craziness. You know, they want to get away from the starving

hordes, essentially, for when the shit hits the fan. It's been that way forever. Yeah, and it's kind of like finding what's an ideal place for them to go, because the US, the neat thing about the US is it's very diverse as far as it's landscape. You know, you've got the high dry deserts of Wyoming, Montana. You got the low and dry hot areas of California and in some parts of Arizona, New Mexico, and then you've got, you know, the temperate region,

which is basically everything east of the Mississippi, but then you've got the higher boreal regions

of that wet temperate area, and then you've got the lower regions getting into Arkansas, Tennessee, then you got a place like Florida, which is very anomalous as far as the US in general, at least on the continental US. So the US is incredibly diverse, and I think one of the most kind of

“telling maps you can look at if you want to think about the shit hitting the fan, the proverbial”

shit hitting the fan, is look at a population density map of the United States. It's very, very telling. It's essentially 80% of the US lives east of the Mississippi, and the other 20% live on the other side, but probably 80% of that 20 are in Southern California. It's crazy. And so I think that's a good starting point for people, but the thing is that's fascinating about, you know, getting on the land and such is that you really have to think about where, what do you want,

and how do you imagine your life being, because living the way I do is not for everybody. And I can tell you, like, I'm up here, like my wife passed in March, and so I'm up here now, with me and my kids, I do have my way for brother is very involved in what we do. And so he's

become kind of like a second, like a Rayhand man from the land, which has been helpful. But if you don't

“have a sort of a traditional family in a way, home setting is very difficult. And so you need to”

think about what is your context, and how do you want to live, and how do you imagine that going, because a lot of people, I see it all the time, and like consulting, especially with people on land, is like, there's a lot of empty nesters out there, or maybe they don't have kids. And they want a home set, but unless there's a lot of young bucks around to do a lot of the back-breaking work, how's that going to look for you? So you might think, well, maybe I'll get into an intentional

community. And there's a lot of, this is an exploding scene across the United States, exploding, all kinds of different intentional communities. I think it's a great way to live. But if you're joining an intentional community that doesn't have a young people or a sort of a new succession of families, how's it going to go if things get really tough? If there aren't young people around to do the hard back-breaking work, how's that going to go? And so these are challenges that

people have. But you know, what comes to living in the United States, people are your greatest asset,

“but they're also your greatest liability. Yeah. Well, I think there's a lot of Americans that have”

this fantasy, even myself, to maybe a certain extent that one day we're just going to head for the exits. You know, we got the gold coin as Katherine Austin fits us to bribe the border guard. And we're out of here, right? But maybe you don't need to, right? If you, as you mentioned in the United States,

you've got a variety of different climates. It's a big, big piece of land. They'll always

place us to hide if you've driven across country, which I have, if you just driven across Texas. You know, there's a lot of places to go. So maybe instead of fleeing, you just sort of move internally in this country somewhere else. But I would imagine there are a lot of people that are like, if only I had another family to do this with, there's somebody like mine to, they don't

consulting business, do you ever match make with people like that? Like, yeah, you know, I'm a guy

I'm looking for somebody like mine to do wants to build in the Ozarks. Let me know if you find somebody we can go in together and get a piece of land. Is that, oh yeah, our platform does it for people. Like, yeah, in our community, you can do that. Um, absolutely. That's, that's happening all the time. And yeah, those are, those are serious considerations. The Ozarks are probably one of my favorite regions of the United States. Um, because you have, you have a beautiful landscape topography,

lots of fresh water, good soil. As long as you're outside of the, you know, agricultural zone, because like, you know, northern Mississippi is much like Nebraska and, you know, South and North

Dakota, you know, Kansas, it's just big egg. Like, you don't want to live in there. It's just poison.

But, but you get into the Ozarks region, which, you know, goes parts of Oklahoma, you know, parts of Arkansas, Southern Missouri, really, really beautiful and very like-minded people. You know, so we see a lot of our community hunkering down in there. Tennessee was great for a while, but there's just, it's so saturated. There's so many people moving there, you know, same, I say the things in the Florida, like, don't move to Florida. Everybody wants to move to Florida.

The, the problem with Florida, too, is just so many damn people. Like, you know, it's, it's, again, people can be your greatest asset, but also your greatest liability. You do not want to be the horrible thing about Florida. This is a beautiful place. Don't get me wrong. But there's so many

“people. And so many people concentrated in such small areas. What happens when the light goes out?”

What happens when there's no food in the stores? I mean, it's absolute pandemonium. And, and the thing is about the U.S. is as good as it is. There's a second amendment. That's also in a way, the fact that everybody's armed isn't necessarily that great because it just means you're likely going to be in a situation that's violent that is fatal. So yeah, and you started kind of by saying, like, do we just pack our bags and run to Mexico or something? Perhaps? You know, there's,

there's certainly, there's certainly possibilities. It all comes out of your context.

I've never been a fan of expatriation personally because the thing I don't like about Mexico,

and I say this is a guy who has spent a lot of time there. I've traveled through a good chunk of the country is it is not a high-trust society in the same way it is in America. So that takes some getting used to. And if you're a guy like us, who's as, you know, white as can be, that sometimes brings challenges in that you're just a gringo. And you're always going to just be a resource. And, you know, you want to get your HVAC system fixed. The gringo price is 10 times higher and it is

for the Mexican price. And, you know, some people figure their way around that. I've always found that annoying, frankly. The thing I like about in the reason I've stayed in Canada is that I understand the law here. So I feel comfortable in navigating that world. Yes, it's corrupt, but it's the corruption in Canada is kind of like above most bureaucrats. Whereas in Mexico, the corruption is all over. And, you know, our mutual friend Jeff Burwick would say, well, I like

that because I know how I'm dealing with it, right? And so I get that, I get that argument. But it all

“just comes down to your context and where you are in your life. And I think moving to a place like”

Mexico can work for some people. But I have young children. And so for me, it just doesn't, for me, it's just not as, I don't know, I do. I have friends at our expats that have little blonde hair, blue eyed babies like mine, and they live in Mexico. And it's, it's kind of tricky. Like, it comes with some challenges for sure. Yeah. What is the, is there a country that people are looking at more so than others? Is there, is there some place that's kind of under the radar that

has a good combination of, I don't know, maybe the language is, is okay, the tax haven, you know, tax status is fine. They don't, it's just falls too much. Is there anyone out there? You know, I've seen a lot more people move to Eastern Europe. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Latvia, Bulgaria, places like that in the

“Baltic countries. I'm seeing people move there. You know, I think the thing that,”

especially since the COVID show, a lot of people dispersed, right? Because people were like, this is crazy on out of here. And a lot of people flocked to South American Central American

white society. Right? I mean, that's why everybody wants to move to white countries. There's,

“there's a high trust society. I think people said, well, the thing that's interesting about”

places like Latvia and Bulgaria and Hungary, I've had a number of clients and close friends move to Hungary, is they didn't go full on with all the new world order agenda. They didn't import massive amounts of African migrants and, and Muslim migrants. And so they maintained a strong culture and trust. Yes, they're not say as great of a tax haven as, say, you know, some places in Central America and things like that. But it's like, what do you,

what do you want? Like, what do you value? And so I think for everybody, it's kind of like

put it all on the table and then go from there and decide what it is, it is. And because like the

thing I find about Western law and, and this is across the board in Europe, essentially, is that there is this, these principles in law that are kind of universal in that world. And there, yes, there's corruption in all countries. There's no question about it. But the corruption is usually concentrated to like, the central banking pedophiles, right? Where is the average or government worker bureaucrat? It's not like Mexico or Central America where they're all corrupt and, you know,

as our buddy Jeff Burwick says, it's like thousand pesos can pretty much get you out of anything. And it's, it's kind of true. But the, the risk that clients of mine who are say sitting on a hundred million dollars of assets have when they go to a place like that is that now you got to deal with the cartel, right? And understanding the maximum of equity means nothing when it comes to the cartel. And so it's your planet different game. So, you know, I think human beings can

be free anywhere. But you really, what's most important is to understand like lay it all in the table,

like even play a game with your spouse and like put it on like sticky notes or cards and lay it all out like these are the things that are non-negotiable for me. And then these things are sort of negotiable. And that's, that's like a, that's a process that I do with clients of mine that are trying

“to figure out where they want to go is that's what we do. We look at all these things because some people”

are, there's certain things that are really, really key and others they're willing to be flexible on. So your geography is in the mix too, right? Like where you want to be, I find a lot of people want to live in a way that they're sort of familiar. You know, so if you're born and raised in Arizona, you might want to sort of be a similar climate, whereas you might not want to be in the humid tropics. But you might say, well, I don't mind a boreal climate, which say has hot and dry

summers, but I don't mind a bit of a winter because I'm kind of used to that seasonality if you live high elevation and say a place of Arizona, you kind of used to that. So you kind of, you pick and choose, you know, because the neat thing about the world is that there's a lot of places like Arizona in the world that aren't in Arizona. There's a lot of places like British Columbia in the world that aren't. And so you can say, okay, well, eastern Russia or south, southwestern Russia

is actually a lot like North Carolina. And close to Ukraine, it's interesting. Yeah, I saw the map of Mediterranean climate, a world map, and you'll see these like a little region, California. You know, that's where they grow grapes. And you know, and you go, I didn't, I didn't know that about the world. I didn't know that it would set up that way, or there's a

“little, so these are areas where you couldn't, I don't know if you want to, if you're from Central”

Valley, California, and you're used to it, and you're looking for a place to relocate, you may be head into Europe, or some exactly. Yeah, or even parts of Russia. Russia has this, is if you look at a map of Russia, it's really interesting. There's this total golden zone that is, it's, the maps aren't in front of you. I think it's close to the black sea. It's like, so if it's kind of close to Ukraine, and you, Ukraine, I wouldn't want to go to Ukraine, but close to there is a very,

very interesting climate, and there's all these small little towns, and has this very old way of life that is just unlike what we're in now, where everybody's on phones and stuff like that. There are parts of the world that have kind of maintained these old communities where people are just people, and they're just live in really simple. That's appealing to a lot. It is appealing. I know, I know. I said, you know, I've watched, because it's sort of how I've

gone in my evolution over life. It's like, I wanted to be where the action was when I was younger, now the older I get. It's like, I would prefer, like, I move a little bit back out of the way,

well, all right, I have kids, like, they have to interact in this world, so how close do I have to

“be to civilization, to still do all that stuff, but how much further? And exactly. Every step,”

I fantasize in my mind, they do, I'll just, it'll be a little bit further out. The next house will buy, which will just be a little bit further out until eventually we've done it. We've backed ourselves into some canyon somewhere that nobody, where nobody's looking or whatever, you know, and you could put the fence up and nobody will come and get you. Well, to eight, yeah, I mean, today, that's actually more possible because the internet has allowed us a lot of people make money online.

And so, and post COVID, the cities just don't offer what they used to, you know, the cities have

become completely woke. Their dysfunctional, their flooded with third world migrants, the crime rates,

are out of control. There's just way less appeal to live in a city now. So, yeah, where are your clients coming from? You're in Canada, but they're not all Canadian. I'm assuming since, as we're saying, you can do this job kind of anywhere, and there's a lot of people thinking about where they, you know, they find a new online. Yeah. Who are they? Western people, or they people will be mostly, well, I would say, I mean, for my, my law clients, yeah, they're pretty much exclusively

Canadian. Maybe 1% are American that I help them with some stuff. But my clients on land are vast majority are American. So, as far as freedom farmers helping people, it's mostly American. That's just like our businesses in the US. It's an Arizona company. So, it's, yeah, it's in the US. And it's just the numbers game. I mean, there's more than 10 times the amount of people in the US and there is in Canada. And so, because I've been out there online, it's just kind of been that

way forever. I've been a bona fide American in a way. I could, I could have moved there a long time ago. I decided to stay where I am. But, yeah, I would say, as far as helping people on land and farms and those things, yeah, vast majority are Americans. What about, I mean, now you can do anything that you could launch a business, right? You can, you, what's this, I mean, with, with your group at freedom farmers, kind of like a makeshift network, right? Like kind of like a your own little

community there. Yeah, we've got a community of people that are, yeah, actively looking to get on the land. I mean, our, our sort of flagship product at freedom farmers is the homestead accelerator. And it's essentially a real estate listing service that assesses homestead real estate around mostly America. If our clients ask us, like we've had clients in Australia and New Zealand and all over, even Mexico, Central America, and they want us to review properties there. We will,

like we do a monthly call that with me, where people can in real time just throw properties at me. And I'll look at them. I'll pull up all the data and I'll say yes, no, maybe so. But yeah, so that,

basically, we have a team for that product, homestead accelerator that reviews active listings,

mostly in the US, because again, like 90% of our clients are there. Of listings in the US, and then they go through this process where we analyze them based on these, these things called the 11 sales permanence. So it's the lens in which we evaluate property. Kind of like the forms of

“capital on the way, where we say, okay, what's the climate? What's the topography? What's the water?”

What are any threats near the property that could compromise your well-being? We basically put put them through that analysis, and then we post them on the site. So you can go on our little map site, and you can see active listings. And we don't make any money in the listing. We

basically just charge for the service. But people can look at that listing. And if it's listed on

our website, it's approved by me. It's a good homestead. We have varying degrees of how they're rated. We say, if it's an A property, it's basically a turn key, everything there. There's capacity for food, water, energy, shelter. It has multiple sources of water. It has good land, arable land. The home is nice. It basically meets all the criteria. But those properties are more expensive. Just buy their nature. And then there's a B property, which is basically, it has all the fundamentals

of a great homestead. But you might need to replace the roof on the house. You might need to put in a better driveway kind of thing. But it's all there. And then we have bargain properties. We call C properties, which it has all the fundamentals. It can be great. But it's, you're going to need to fix the house or maybe build one. You could be raw land. You got to put in a driveway. You know, you got to do

“all the stuff. But the land itself is good. But I typically advise people to not. If you want to get”

on the land, don't buy raw land unless you're like a real solid trade sky. Because in today's world

who can run a backhoe and operate machinery, you know how to form concrete and like you can essentially

“have all the skills to build a house. Sure, buy raw land. But if you're just somebody who doesn't”

have any trades and you want to get on a homestead and you're buying raw land, be prepared to spend a lot of money. You'll spend, you'll spend more money than it's then you would if you bought a place at how to house. Interesting. But that's just because of today's price is really.

What's the process? Do you do gardens first before you introduce animals? Do you do gardens and

animals at the same time? Do you do chickens first? Because they're easy. Like, what is, yeah, is there, is it like, don't, don't make your life too difficult. Start by growing food if you kill it, you know, you killed a carrot, not a goat or something. But yeah, like, what would you, how does that process? That's a really complicated, it's a good question, it's complicated because it all depends on your context, like it all depends on what you're good at doing, what the land

you're looking at is capable of providing without much work. So I would say it depends. But I would say buy and large, what you want to be able to do is get situated on the land in somewhere and

other so that you can exist there and kind of see how things go. Like, I'll paint a perfect

case scenario for you. A best case scenario is you buy a property that has some kind of house. Like,

“maybe you want to build your dream home. This is often people's like, it's on their bucket list, right?”

So, so, but you buy a property that has something you can live in for the time being. So maybe you're not ready to sell your home in the verbs or the city yet and you can buy a place. This is an ideal scenario. It's actually sort of what I did is is you buy the place and there's a house there so that you can go there and spend time, but not full time. So you don't have to sell your house right away. You can spend time in that house and you can see a little bit of each season so you can see what

winter looks like. See what a spring, a summer and a fall looks like and then sort of incrementally add things as you need them. So you get in there, put it a little bit of a vegetable garden. Just so you can get some stuff going, you know. Maybe you find a place you want to put some trees. Start planting some trees. Just kind of incrementally bring things in. Then you can sell your house. Now you're kind of situated there. There's some infrastructure there. Maybe you put a secondary

well in or you had to drill a well or something like that. Get some things in so that when you start you're not just like thrown in the mix because a big mistake a lot of people make is they go too hard too quick and then they're burnt out in a year and we saw this during the COVID show and that's actually when I launched the Homestead Accelerator Program because I saw this massive demand of people who wanted to get on the land. But and I made a prediction then and I was I was proven right

but I said that I predict what we're going to see is all these turn and burn homestead properties. You're going to come up for sale in three years and boom they're all for sale right now. So during COVID all these sort of people that thought they had what it took to go and live on the land went full on. They went out there. They had maybe they sold their house. They had $500,000 in cash. They built some off-grid infrastructure. They built gardens. They built chicken coop.

They brought some cows on there. They took on way too much too quick and they burnt out in two years and now those properties are for sale and they're often on our website. And they're often being sold for cheap because people were just like I can't do this. But now the COVID restrictions are down so I don't mind moving back into the city. So yeah, you can find some of those places right now and you can tell because you can see there was all this like really quick infrastructure that

wasn't completed set up. There's a lot of those places for sale right now. How do you build a compound?

Is there, like you said, you get the first house and maybe you add on incrementally. But

“what is, what is an ideal compound have, you know, for some, well that's what I have. I have what”

I call a family compound. So there's kind of different ways you can do it. Like you could go the intentional community routes and say with five families go and start something, right? That would be more than the intention. The result is the same in the sense that you got a piece of land that has all the primary infrastructure to say survive on a apocalypse where there's, there's no going in around. There's, there's, you know, the world is chaotic. I don't, I don't like to say these things

and promote fear. It's not at all like I just, I think, you know, you know, I mean, but I just say like

Food, water, energy, and shelter. Those are the primary things. There's all kinds of other things that are important to security, education of your children. There's like, let me think, but food

“one energy shelter without those things, nobody survives full stop. So you need to think about those”

things first is, okay, each of those things, okay, so for food systems, for example,

we need protein, we need fats, we need carbohydrates, we need like the basic stuff for, to survive, what are those things. Okay, we probably start with something simple. Let's start with the vegetable garden because that's simple. Then let's bring in some egg layers because did get to have chickens laying eggs that's fairly simple. Then let's start doing chickens for meat. We can bring, we can do 50 to 100 birds, a year, a small family can handle that or a group of friends can handle that.

Then let's say, let me, let's bring in some small scale livestock. Let's start with some goats or some sheep's. Like, they depends on the land, right? It all depends on your land and what it has the capacity for. But you kind of go from there and then you say, okay, let's look at our water

systems. You always want to have at least two sources of water because if one doesn't work,

“what are you going to do? And if you don't have power to pump water, how are you going to get water?”

So you might say, okay, well, there's one water system that came with the property. It's tied to the agricultural land water. So it's, we turn on the tops, they work, there's, we get this water. It could be from a municipality, whatever. Let's build a really simple pit well. So let's dig a 10 foot 20 foot deep. Well, put a culvert in it, put some drain rock around it, covered up with something, and then that'll seasonally fill up with with with the wax and

Wayne of the water season of the snow melt. Or then you might say, well, let's drill, let's drill a proper deep water well. Let's bring in a drilling rig. It's going to cost 30 grand to do it. Things like that, you want to start thinking about systems. And so basically, go down the line for energy, same thing. You might, you might have a property, and it has grid power. It could great. You got power so that you can use stuff, you can run power tools, you can build things.

But now you might want to decentralize that. So if a first step would be, make sure you got at least a simple backup generator. So if the lights go about, you got something. Maybe it's a small gas power Honda, propane generator, diesel generator, whatever it is, is all kinds of options. Thinking about how do you go from, I like to think about it in a scale, is you go from dependency to sovereignty and what's in between. So we all start dependent,

right? You show up at the grocery store this food there. Well, what do you do if there isn't? A step towards less dependency would be to have seven days of food in your pantry. And from there 30 days, then you might go from less dependency to a state of security, where you've got a garden, you've got a year's worth of food. Then you go to a state of resiliency, where you've got bigger gardens, you've got, you know, well over a year of stored food, you've got a year

or more stored seed. Then you go to a state of sovereignty, where now you've got multiple systems that interact and benefit one another in sort of a holistic way. And so I like to think about all of these things, food, water, energy, shelter, in that, how do you go from dependency to sovereignty? And it's all just ratcheting up slowly. It doesn't have to be like people people look at my home setting. They're just like, that's crazy. How am I going to get there? Well, one step out of time.

And just think about all the things that you need and how you just ratchet up slowly to get to that point where you've gotten multiple systems of each thing, like on my home stead, I've got multiple food systems. I've got three different sources of water and two of them I can get without any electricity. I've got multiple sources of power. I've got solar. I've got a diesel backup. I even have a small scale gas generator. I've got multiple forms of heat I can heat with propane. I can

heat with wood. I can heat with electricity. Right. So it's kind of thinking like that is the more

the more multiple systems you have, the more resiliency you have because it's always going to be

the case that one thing doesn't work when you want it to. Yeah. Yeah, man. You don't want to find out the hard way when you're at set your water stops work and that you've you fucked up and

“didn't didn't didn't think two steps ahead. That's what about let me ask you what about the”

practicality of buying land or home stead or something like this. Is there financing available for this? Do the banks last says? Not really. That's that's the tough thing. Some do but it is generally speaking harder to, well, it's certainly the case with off grid properties. Very few will finance them. Though there are some exceptions I know and there's a lot of different options out there. So I can't really speak to say there's this plan in this plan,

this plan, this plan, that's not what I do. But generally speaking in off-grid property is harder to

what are your negotiables and non-negotiables? Like how on the grid do you want to be? And what is

on the grid technically mean? Because people debate me all the time. Is it all courtesy? You're online, therefore, you're on the grid. Well, it's like, yeah, yeah, I got starlink to do the zoom call with with Charlie. But I'm off the grid and all of my forms of power and water and all these things. And so yeah, it's kind of a mixed bag. You're honored to decide, you know, how close to

“civilization do you want to be? Because everybody's life is unique. Like you might have kids that”

are still in school or something or your kids are teenagers and they don't want to leave their friends or call. These are challenges that parents are dealing with all the time that I talk to. They can't get out until their kids are 18. Because now we now the kids can go on the

own and then they're going to run into that. That creates the problem you said, which is there

aren't going to be any strong hands there on the homestead to help out. If everyone is waiting until they turn 18, so that they can leave, I get that. And that I can understand that being a real headache for you to decide like, when do I go? Like we're stuck into the school system. Well, and how do you go? Because I'll tell you, I mean, the vast majority of my clients are 60 plus. And so this is a serious challenge for them that they, I'm often kind of bringing them down to

reality because they're thinking they're going to run to the hills and do all this homesteading stuff. But it's like, how many good years of your body do you have? And you know, you could do it. I mean, probably the probably most of my clients that come to me are healthy people and very physically capable and and such. And if you're 16 now, you probably got another 15 years plus where you can be chopping firewood and doing some level of heavy lifting. But what happens when

things go south? Like what happens when the unexpected happens? And that's the number one thing that people don't think about when they get off grid. Because I remember when I was actually, when you and I last hung out at Anarko Poco 2023, when I was connecting, we were going to hang out in Mexico city when we were sleeping in those pods. When I was, when I had that six hour layover in Mexico

“city or whatever it was, there's more than six hours I think. My off-grid system here went out. And so”

Jeff Burwick called me, I think it might have been December or something. We had a mild winter because I wasn't going to go that year because we were only a couple of years into being on this homestead. And I had so much to do with managing the snow up here that I was like, there's no way I can leave my family. And my kids were still too young. We didn't want to take them to Mexico. So my way for the times said, yeah, just go. So I said, Jeff, yeah, I'm in, count me in. So I'm flying to Mexico City.

And the day I get there in the day I land in Mexico City, I get a distressed text message from her saying, the system's down. The power system is down. And it just snowed too feet of the day I left. Oh, right. So here I am stuck in Mexico and my wife can't even turn the power on. And there's barely any cell service at our place. So she had to go to a certain place to get one bar of signal. So she can text me. But to my to my benefit, I had a system in place. So that

if this happens, this is what I'll tell her to do. And I did it. I coached her how to reboot the system. And everything with a limited amount of text, she got the system back up. Boom lights came back on. All good. But it was a moment where you're just like, oh my goodness, my family is there without me, the guy who does all the home setting chores. And there's no power. And it's the dead of winter. And there's two feet of snow in the ground. Yeah. And that's it. So that's a real lesson in communication

“and understanding that you have to develop these systems. So that I don't know. Maybe there's”

a, maybe somebody's got a binder in a drawer somewhere. That's right. The instruction manual on how to do this. But yeah, you, you have flow charts. There you go. Yeah. Yes. Then that. And in walk yourself through that that system. But but again, that's a preparedness mindset.

You make that binder and put it in the top drawer. It's almost a guarantee. You'll never

need it. Right. But the fact that you actually made it and did that, it tells the universe. We're good. You can go, you know what? So I find that that's sort of a universal truth. As soon as you have that plan, it almost ensures that it never happens. Yeah. The universe is when you don't have the plan, that's when it happens. We're going to go mess with, so we'll go ruin somebody else's day. It's that's like you, you already have things prepared and, and I'll go mess with with someone else. But

let's wrap up with this at freedom farmers. People can buy all kinds of stuff there. Right. Yeah. There's, yeah. And yeah. Well, you got to code that people can use. So they can support you. And yeah, there's a whole bunch of stuff in there. Community is probably one of the huge

It's nowhere else. Can you find this kind of data on homesteading? Because if you're just flipping

“through listings, it's fun to do. Everybody likes to fantasize. And I find that people looking at”

real estate listings kind of like porn and away. It's like this guilty pleasure. And you'll spend a lot of time out of it. But it won't go anywhere. We can take away all that time. And so that's huge. And then we've got 20 plus courses in there that they can just kind of binge watch and learn everything to do with homesteading and moochandive agriculture. Growing microgreens, many farms, like the online courses were pretty, I mean, like, pretty insane amount of time. Years we

spent setting that stuff up. And it's all there as legacy content. Two people can also watch me build my homestead. I've logged the entire creation of this homestead, which is pretty much done now. And I put it all up in there just being going to the video archive and watch hundreds of videos. I made vlogging this entire process. Yeah. You know, I've spent 30 years in real estate. But

we never did anything fun like this. I mean, I guess my partners, they're buying houses and renovating

them. But they also have this fantasy of like buying a place in the woods and actually they did. They bought a place out in the desert. Maybe not the best for water. But they had just an awesome opportunity. Yeah. But they are the types that could actually get out there and build a house. That's what they, that's what they do. I would see that as a little bit too challenging and probably yeah, I certainly wouldn't do it again. I mean, I'm glad I did it in my house now. And it's

it's comfortable. But it is. It's crazy, man. It's so much, especially if if there's a lot of things on the land that have to be done to make it a proper homestead, if you have a house that you can at

“least just move into, your life is going to be so much easier. Because you can renovate, right?”

And you can, you can modify and customize a home in a lot of different ways. And that's an thing to teach people. Like we have a course in there called finding the perfect homes at property. And I show people what to look for. How do I analyze yourself? Because it's good to, and I find realtors often get themselves into trouble too because they, realtors think they really understand because they know homes well. But they don't necessarily know land very well. And so most people

just, they put all their eggs into the home. And they owe the home is great. Therefore, the land if you're great. But I've given a lot of clients over the years that news be like, you know, that land kind of sucks. Like, yeah, the home is really nice. But the land kind of sucks. And so you don't need a big piece, right? You live acres. You can do five acres. You can do it. You mean, I wrote a whole book on how to do it unless a maker. But, but if you really want to have the food, water, energy,

“and shelter, I think five acres is optimal as a start. More is better because then you just have”

boundary. Like, my home set is 40 plus acres. And, but I only really live on two acres. Everything I have is on two acres. But I like having the buffer. I like the privacy. I like just being able to go out and do things and not have to worry about some nosy nellie, you know, some care and call them policy department on me or something like that. You know, I just, I like to have the space. So I prefer larger acreage. But, you know, for older folks, smaller acreage in an area

of other like-minded people is probably better. Yeah. You know, and there's so much to think about

with this. And, and I think a lot of people just had been cruising through life, never even given

it a thought until COVID came around. And that threw a real monkey wrench. And as you said, people maybe a little bit too quick to pull the trigger and they had these fantasies. But it's interesting to know that there's discounts out there. Now, you could pick up what they, what they were unable to complete. Let's wrap up with this. What's 2026 looking like for you and working people find you? Yeah, 2026. I'm doing the last traveling this year on so stoked to be in our aquapoco

but then I teach these law workshops around Canada. So I'm doing those if people reach out to me, or if they join Freedom Farmers, they'll have a way to reach out to me. But I do those in Kalona, Calgary, and Toronto. And then I'm doing one more event. The land summit with John Bush in November. But other than that, I'm not- I'm not doing as much traveling. I'm around and just kind of trying to just readjust to my life as it is now. So I'm just spending

more time at the homestead. And yeah, people check me out at Freedom Farmers. You've got a link there. They can use. And as a massive- if people are serious about getting on the land, our service will

if people want my own consulting. I charge $4, $500 an hour to look at land. But they can just join our

“service for $50 a month and get the same thing. And there's way more to look at. We list properties”

all over the US. And so everything we list is good to go. They're good homesteads. They're not.

Nothing is mediocre. But if you spend time looking at real estate listings, you'll spend years.

I know. I've done it. I've been in real estate if you 30 years. I've looked at a million houses online

“and in person. And at some point, my wife said me one time, "Hey, don't you want to come with us?”

We're going to go look at houses." I was like, "I look at houses all day long. I don't want to look at houses." No. I've seen enough houses. Unless it's exceptionally weird or exceptionally cool. I'm not

“interested in it because I've seen it all. That's Curtis Stone. Everybody, you can go to FreedomFarmers.com”

and check out what he's working on over there. Go to his Offgrid with Curtis Stone YouTube channel. You'll know you're there when it's what 600,000 plus subscribers, a lot of people over there checking it out. And for those of you who want to connect with me, macroaggressions.io is the website. Best place to do that. Thanks, everyone. Talk to you. Take care of it. [Music]