#627: Prepping the Ground For World War 3 | Patrick Henningsen

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Well, I had the pleasure of spending a week in Mexico at an archipoko with all kinds of amazing people.

But one of my favorites is Patrick Henson.

Also at an archipoko, we become friends over the years.

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So please enjoy my interview with the great Patrick Henson. Well, it's great to have Patrick Henson here because we were just in Mexico for an archipoko and things kicked off. And of course, I want to speak about Iran because it's the most pressing topic. But let's start if we can where we started in Puerto Vallarta with an archipoko.

Start it off.

Innocently enough, it ended with cars on fire.

“What was your take on this? Was it theater? Was it a real situation?”

Was it a combination of a little bit? Was it made for TV action? What was your take on it all? Yeah, an archipoko 2026 became an archipoko. 2026. Disaster seems to fall this event.

It proceeds and falls this event. But yet the event still carries on, which shows the level of resilience there. And so it was a great week. It was a great conference. Everybody was buzzing by the end of the week.

And everyone at the end of the week, departs to their different locations.

Some people were staying for the crypto vigilante and dollar vigilante seminars that came after the main conference. But so I was scheduled to fly out. Very, you know, not long after that.

“So I think it was Saturday or Sunday, I can't remember.”

But yeah, so I like myself like others. Well, we heard the news. Yeah, I think I was going out Sunday, actually. And I heard the news pat pat get outside, get outside. I was having breakfast and someone said in my hotels, get outside, get outside. Look, look, there's cars are on fire.

There's nobody in the streets are blocked. And so I went out, sure enough. That's exactly what's just kind of surreal. Like, you know, a little bit cinematic in that respect. And I'm looking around and I'm like, where is everybody?

It's like lockdown. The nobody on the streets is a ghost town on usually on Sunday on the weekends in a city like that, which is a major international tourist hub. There's tons of cars and it's just busy is anything on the weekend. And so anyway, I wasn't planning on, you know, doing any journalism while I was there.

But I sort of got the camera out, got the phone out. We managed to hook up a live feed to the Sunday wire, which was broadcasting live at that point. So we've got in for a few minutes and just to show people like what was around us. And, you know, a little bit of reporting. And then everyone kind of went away and it was a little bit unnerving.

Because, you know, I've been in war zones in different countries. I've been in situations where, you know, it's like not my normal environment. Places like Iraq or Syria or, you know, places like that, even Iran recently. I was in Iran recently. I was in Iran, which wasn't a war zone yet, but it is now, which we'll talk about later. But with the, the cartel wars, I have no real point of references to like how things work in that situation.

So there's a level of unpredictability and there's a lot of foreigners in that city. A lot of expats, a lot of Canadians, a lot of Americans, especially. And a lot of people visiting for the event and just tourists in general in our hotel. There are people down there like part of Christian missions and churches and rent into these people. And nobody knew what was going to happen.

You started seeing things on social media saying that if the cartels demands the cartel, how least go new generation, if they're demands are not met. This, this, this retaliation, this unrest was in, in response to the killing of a major narcotics boss. He starts the main story and, uh, El Muncho, El Muncho, so El Muncho, he's a mench, El Muncho. It's a tied to his railings, so I don't know.

Well, yes, actually, actually yes, I'll mention that. And so he, in his, a Mexican federal operation with, with assisted by US intelligence.

“So, and, and maybe more than assisted by US intelligence, I think.”

I think the, the America is very much involved in this whole story, in driving this story, in fact. Um, but, but so that's the, retaliation. So everybody's like, they're seeing reports on social media that there's going to be invasions in hotels and homes. If the demands aren't met by 5 p.m. and that was on Sunday.

I mean, it's real dramatic and made for TV stuff.

“I mean, it's not the type of thing that I would have ever expected to experience, especially in a place like that, which is very chilled.”

Mexico just, in general, is very, very chilled. I know other things were rumbling under the surface in a lot of, a lot of places, but, you know, overall it's very laid back and paid to the, the US. So anyway, and so, it was the unpredictability of people didn't know what's going on. Anyway, after 72 hours, and, you know, after buses, cars, buildings, a smoke all over the city, and people are afraid to go out. And there's reports that taxis were being shot at.

There's even reports of, and I can actually verify one of those reports that attendees at our event.

Their taxi was attacked near the conference center.

That actually happened. I actually later saw the photographs and heard from those people. But, but, so it's kind of chaotic. And then it died down after 72 hours. Then, you know, money on everything as normal, and life back to normal in Puerto Vallarta. Maybe not in some of the other cities like Guadalajara or inland, or where, where the, where this kind of raid took place was to Palpo, which is about 400 meters southeast of Puerto Vallarta.

And that's, known as a cartel stronghold in the Halisco state. So, anyway, I did, I did more analysis of this looking at the political data points. And I tried to kind of synthesize that to figure out what, what's pushing what, you know, the looking for, where's the leverage, what's pushing in on what. And what I, what I found was, I mean, it's obvious that

the biggest drug traffickers in the Western Hemisphere have always been and always will be the CIA and the DEA,

two major US, and the FBI is complicit to, to a large degree, but mainly, let's say, the CIA and the Drug Enforcement Agency. They are the biggest drug traffickers in the Western Hemisphere. They work with the cartels, but in terms of actually enabling the trafficking into America, it's a US government agencies and military that do the bulk of the heavy lifting for those operations and there's a lot of money to be made.

“So, knowing that, if you think about, this is a mafia hierarchy, who's the biggest mafia on the planet?”

Who's got the most guns? Who's willing to use them? It's the America. That's the biggest mafia on the planet, and Israel is the little sort of capo there next to. Maybe that's the capo, maybe it's the partner who knows, maybe it's the son Michael Corleoni. But, but the Mexican cartels are nested underneath that. They're nested under, they themselves have their own power base in Mexico politically.

They're talking generations, generations of political cultivating influence and control. And there's all sorts of networks between corporations, government and the cartels. And politicians that are appointed to be regulators, these are key positions. And this was the same in America, maybe more so in the past, when corruption was not so white collar in America.

“But in Mexico, those are key positions. So Claudia Shainbaum is the new president.”

She happens to be Jewish, which is to me is neither here nor there at this point, because she seems to be very pro-Palestinian. And the Mexican government's official position is recognizing a Palestinian state at the United Nations. And you guess who is very, very unhappy about this. And offended by it is the Trump administration and Israel.

And Israel's on a mission to flip all of the Latin American governments away from recognizing a Palestinian state. And they've succeeded in Argentina. And the U.S., a lot of people on the way, Charlie, have executed a coup in Honduras before Christmas. So two months before Christmas. So in October, November, that was a successful, soft coup.

It's very well documented what happened. We've reported on a lot of it, other people, other journalists have done too. So what the Trump administration, what Marco Rubio's task is from Paul Singer and the Israeli lobby, is to put far-right governments in place throughout, they will not tolerate one dissenting country. So they've marked Colombia for regime change, they've marked Nicaragua for regime change, they have marked Mexico. That would be very difficult, Cuba, as you can see.

We'll see Venezuela as well. So look at the results.

This is a real thing, and Israel have the Isaac Accords.

“That's the, you've heard of the Abraham Accords, right, Charlie?”

The Isaac Accords is the same for Latin America, that is Israel's political project to flip Latin America. To normalize relations and be pro Israel, why? I looked at the weapons traffic in Mexico. Largest weapons trafficker in the Mexico is the United States, bar none. And shine bombs complained about this.

She's saying we've done our part by stopping fentanyl coming through, but you're not stopping the guns coming through. And she's vocally challenged Trump in the U.S. on this. This has been a problem going back decades through multiple administrations,

but guess who the second biggest weapons trafficker into Mexico is?

I guess Israel. Yep, you guessed right. So between Israel and the U.S., why would Israel want to be trafficking weapons into Mexico? It's specifically into the hands of the cartels and organized crime. That's so interesting, isn't it?

“And you have to ask the other questions.”

Why was Israel in Colombia for the better part of 20 years? Arming and training the death squads of the right-wing government at the time in Colombia, the Paras, they called them the Paramilitaries to fight the FARC. And at the same time, Colombia was buying over the table, billions of dollars of weapons from Israel. And technology, surveillance technology, guns, all sorts of things, and the training as well, all that.

So Israel wants to have all of those countries as clients. This is a huge market collectively for weapons, arms, military training, AI surveillance software, tracking, tracking, killing software. All this stuff that Israel has rotated in the West Bank in Gaza, they're marketing it to the U.S. And they want to open that up as their main market.

And so they also have business interests in there. They want to increase their ownership. And this is the billionaire class, the Ron Lawders of the World.

“While he is American, or I don't even know if he's American, I think he's American by nationality.”

But he's the one that told Trump to take Greenland. And he's also one of the big mega donors next to less Wexner, Jeffrey Epstein's main finance here. And many others, they're part of the mega group. So Ron Lawders and these others are also pushing for Havir Milay to open up parts of Argentina for Israeli interests. And not just business, military interests, Israel's military interests for controlling Tierra de Fuego.

And the Southern Straits access into the Pacific. I mean, what is this tell you? What's coming? Well, it makes me ask, how do you say Operation Condor in Yiddish? Yeah, yeah, Oive, it's Condor, a big, very, big bird. So, yeah, I mean, so this isn't a conspiracy, everything I've said is absolutely 100% factual.

And look at what they're doing to Cuba. Who wants Cuba at the end of the day? Before the Castro's Revolution, whether you are communist or a capitalist or whatever, before Cuban Revolution 53, Havana was an offshore site for the Jewish and Italian mafia's and the Washington mafia. Congressman Senators would go down there to do their dirty deals, have their parties, do whatever they do,

and money's exchanged offshore, 90 miles. And you can imagine the level of corruption in the U.S. system at that point.

And so Castro reversed all that and they've never forgiven the Castro Revolution for this,

because he pissed off pretty much everybody. And I think John F. Kennedy probably got the brunt of that in 1963. And so that's now they're suffocating and destroying, trying to strangle with a military blockade, Cuba, not allowing fuel in. I mean, it's horrendous and no one's going to be able to stand up to the U.S. - How does that play out? Does that play out with the U.S. just taking Cuba at some point?

- Yes, that's, they feel it's a softer target than Venezuela because of its location. It's got a smaller population and it doesn't have nearly the sort of powerful, kind of mass political base

It's a population 11 million.

And they're just banking on the fact that they can ruin it economically and destroy it socially and then start possibly bombing hospitals and these are Israeli siege tactics. The Trump administration has merged with Israel in the methods, in the mentality, in the tactics, in the language.

“And it totally disregarding international law, human rights, any war crimes like what are war crimes?”

They're just arrogantly dismissing any criticisms like what are you talking about? We have the power we're going to do it. So that's kind of where we're at right now. It's not pleasant if you're on the receiving end of that. And unfortunately, we're so corrupt, the political system in America is so corrupt that Democrats and Republicans, for the most part, are on board with all of this.

They really are and they couldn't care less about the Cuban people, but they will wax morally about, "Oh, we need to free the Cubans and bring democracy to the Venezuelans and we need to liberate the Mexicans and etc." And it's just endless, the same hollow rhetoric and all thereafter is they want every single acre of agricultural, arable land in Cuba, under the nested under Cargill and Coke Industries and Mancanto and all these other Bill Gates, that's their interest in Cuba. Nothing else, that and probably going drugs there.

Because I'll say something controversial. This Trump administration is absolutely aligned with international drug cartels, 110%. They pardoned one of the biggest drug traffickers, Donald Trump, Juan Orlando Hernandez, former disgraced President of Honduras, Trump pardoned him. And no one asked why Trump, Trump's so reasoned to say, "Why did you pardon this?" The biggest federal indictment, one of the biggest in history for trafficking cocaine in the United States,

ex-president of Honduras in the federal pen, and Trump says, "Well, my people said he was treated very badly, very badly. He was treated very violent, Biden treated him very badly." So there's no real justification for it, no reason for it.

“And then you have to ask the question, "Who told Trump to do that?"”

Well, Israel was also, he was a big backer of Israel, Hernandez. He's very presynist, but worse, worse. Marco Rubio is best friends with the President of Ecuador, Daniel Nuboa. And then Nuboa family have been implicated in guess what? Smuggling Coke in their bananas shipments to Europe, the Nuboa fruit company, massive scandal, and Ecuador. And then that's been tamped down. You don't see the DOJ sending any indictments or anything to that.

So that's Rubio's best pal.

So this is the Latin America they want to see, which is run by cartels, pro Israel, and far right, basically.

And I mean, people know me, I voted conservative, I voted for Trump, I admit, on multiple occasions, because I believed the campaign promises. But when it comes to regime change over throwing governments, I'm pro national sovereignty.

“I believe it's the business of the people in that country to determine what type of government they have, not Washington's business.”

So I believe in sovereignty, I believe in people's right to free speech and so forth. Within the context of whatever state they're living in, but I don't believe it's our business to determine the government. What I think is the more pressure we put on some of these countries, the more hardcore, the hardliners get in whatever form of government it is. And they get more defensive, and we get more war as a result. And so I don't think there's anything conservative at all about this Trump administration.

I think this is a radical, trotsky, neo-con regime that unfortunately is in Washington, and there's completely out of control at the moment as we can all see. I've been watching them try and fit a square peg into a round hole for a while with bricks with Brazil in particular.

It always felt like a piece that didn't fit geographically, didn't fit ideologically.

I don't know, it never seemed like it fit with what they were doing with the Belt and Road initiative and that whole thing. Is the goal for the American Empire and the Israeli Empire as well to get Brazil out of that arrangement to isolate it from the rest of the bricks.

Absolutely, absolutely. And I think they did this success. Argentina was going into bricks.

“And then me lay was installed into power, which was under this guy's that he was a libertarian, and all this other stuff.”

And he is, it's kind of a train wreck.

All he did was just basically saddle the country with more international debt and managed to get a bailout from Trump.

One of the biggest financial bailouts in global history, more money than the United States, for backstopping the currency, basically. I mean, they've given money and stuff to Ukraine. But in terms of cash payments, what they've given to Argentina, it's more, in fact, than anyone trunch. So why is that? They're really desperate to hold, they need to hold that up as a pro-US pro-CIA pro-Israel government.

And so for Brazil, it doesn't surprise me that Brazil was one of the sort of founding bricks countries, because if you look at bricks, it overlays with the nine aligned movement. The non-aligned movement was a precursor to bricks. This would have been during the Cold War in the '60s, and these were countries like Libya, like Syria, the old Syria, like Iran, like Cuba. The ones without central banks. Basically, yeah.

And they tend to be leaning left, or maybe even if they're not leaning left in the sense of an official socialist or communist country.

“They're internationalizing key industries.”

And state-directed economy, like China, basically, state-directed economy.

So the non-aligned movements would be definitely not NATO members, that wouldn't be in there. And the NAM, if you were a NATO member, not members of the EU, obviously. So you wouldn't belong to any of those clubs, or the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or whatever. The NAFTA, the Free Trade Organization. Wouldn't be any of those.

Wouldn't be a trilateral commission sort of country like Japan. So what's left, and you wouldn't be part of the British commonwealth either. So what's left are a lot of those NAM countries. And so Brazil's unique in South America because it's Portuguese. Everything else, it's a Spanish-speaking world.

It's an outlier in that's Portuguese, but it has the most powerful economy. It's the most rich in terms of resource endowment. And it also has very, very strong institutions in Brazil as well. They would definitely like to take it out of bricks, and also because they would a great client for China. So a great supplier to China, and also a great buyer of Chinese product as well.

And the US want to streamline the Western Hemisphere and create a fortress America right down the Western Hemisphere, including Latin America.

But the problem is during the 90s and 2000s,

China made massive inroads into all of these Latin American countries in Africa. And in Washington, they're all having fits and tantrums because they're like, look at how far China is penetrated into Africa and into South America. And this is just, it right in our backyard and there's just stopping their feet. And I'm thinking of myself, but the US used to have complete dominion over Latin America.

“What was the US doing during the 90s and 2000s around the world that drew them away from their own Hemisphere?”

Let me think about that. Who drew America away from their own Hemisphere to fight foreign wars in Central Asia and the Middle East? Is it that little tiny strip of land, the size of New Jersey? Yes, it's Israel. And who determines foreign policy in Washington?

Is Israel lobby? So the Israel lobby pulled America, put America into debt, pulled all of its resources and focus into the Middle East and Central Asia to keep Israel secure and safe. And neglected pretty much everywhere else in the world. If we're thinking from an imperial perspective here, and now they're kicking and screaming and they're trying to make up for lost time. And by rushing it and doing these desperate operations like kidnapping the president of Venezuela with a fake indictment about drug trafficking and shooting up fishing boats in the Caribbean.

And then flexing and doing a victory lap like this is some great achievement for Delta Force. That's where the US has found itself in 2026. So it only has itself to blame, and the fact that America's Washington, anyway, has lost a tremendous amount of its national sovereignty to a foreign entity.

I mean, everyone should see it by now.

If you cannot see this at this point, you will never see it.

Yeah, that's true. I was talking to John Perkins about that. He's refreshed confessions of an economic hitman recently with the Latin American flavor to it. Talking about the Chinese economic hitman, how they come in and do this. And it occurred to me that, you know, the policy of America versus the policy of China.

“And let's say in relation to Africa, was that the Chinese were building hospitals for sick Africans, whereas the Americans were building graveyards for dead ones, right?”

We were just in there murdering their people.

Meanwhile, China's building infrastructure, of course, they've got their own frustrations where that you can watch the documentary about the democratic Republic of Congo and the Chinese trying to build infrastructure in there. It's a frustrating situation, but it occurred to me that at some point, the American Empire was going to realize that they'd left the back door open in Latin America and that the Chinese had moved in. And it started, I don't know, whether it's Ecuador, importing in facial recognition technologies and starting. That's, that's a, that's a slippery slope.

“So, so does the did this pivot to Trump's Monroe doctrine? Was that just predicated by somebody taking a big picture?”

Look and say, hey, guys, if we don't, if we don't pay attention to this two decades from now, the Chinese are going to have all of South America colonized and they're going to be coming north.

There's, there's some calculation going on as a defensive play, or is the American Empire just only thinking offensively these days? No, I mean, it shouldn't be any kind of an epiphany in 2025 or 2026. It was, first year, the Trump administration, particularly that China has increased their influence economically, politically, even globally, but especially economically, by orders of magnitude from where it was 30 years ago. Just look at the trade deficit between the United States and China as an example.

The US, what, what happened is this is what you're seeing now is it's not, it's not something that happened overnight, but there, they're, they're trying to roll up the American public to make, to make them think this is a new phenomenon.

“And you need to get really outraged about it. You need to give us all of your money and we're going to tax you to into oblivion to pay for this new military.”

Trump says, I'm going to rebuild the military again, like you said, I rebuilt it before he didn't rebuild anything in this first term. He's not rebuilding it. Now we have aircraft carriers from 1960 running around, you know, I'm surprised they don't use coal furnaces, but anyway. So what the novelty here is that the establishment has realized that they have, they have gotten rich off the financialization of the American and the European and the British economies. By outsourcing all the jobs starting in the 1980s and in chopping up companies and breaking up companies and taking what they called the unperforming assets selling them off.

And then then all of a sudden the share price goes up on the stock market because, oh, that company's turning a profit, but at the expense of all of those domestic jobs in the United States in England and UK and in Europe. And that's the, that was the big revolution of the 1980s and then all the, all the momentum is going to Wall Street to the, to the financial class. And what do they do? They lobby with their, with their increased power and cloud lobbying for more deregulation of financialized instruments and derivatives and all of these creative repackaging of debts and.

Resecuritizing mortgages and the sub prime mortgage crisis and the repeal of the glass legal act again at the end of the bill Clinton Bill Clinton second term and all of a sudden, you know, so the economy is homing, but it's homing for them. This is early homing for everybody else, you know, we're not seeing concommonate wage growth and certainly the cost of living keeps going higher and higher and higher. And so now, so they can never make America great again, Trump's run on this trope, but America will never be competitive in the manufacturing sector until they, they realize Elon Musk's vision of robots.

Making everything and then we're at that point, we're on UBI getting paid a stipend to stay at home and do watercolor painting and other naval gazing activities that will make us live our best life, right.

So I'll use this as a metaphor. So people understand with IT. It's a political OS that's very outdated. In fact, it's the equivalent of Windows 97 today. So imagine running Windows 97 today trying to get your AI bots to work is not going to work. So that all the foreign policy vision, the vision of global management is outdated.

And if you go 100 years back, where was China 100 years ago? It's more or less backwater in terms of the industrial revolution. Where was Africa 100 years ago?

You know, land bodies and basket weaving, not so anymore. Where was the Middle East 100 years ago? Camels, tents, and that's not the case now. India. Where was India 100 years ago? They're under the thumb of the British Empire and being, you know, extracting all of their wealth and running massive slave labor structures to benefit the city of London. That's not what's happening in the world today. So all of that geopolitics was configured for another world. A world that no longer exists.

“So when you hear Marco Rubio and Donald Trump are echoing the sentiments and the frustrations of the central bankers. That's what you're hearing.”

The elite's management class, the hereditary, rightful rulers of this planetary feaf them, they're still thinking an old imperial terms.

And meanwhile, the US is not even probably the number one superpower on the planet, not economically anyway, maybe militarily, but not economically. China is the workouts of the planet. There's no doubt about that. And India is not far behind them. And America is getting worse and worse in that position, and with the declining population, which is a byproduct of all of that great social engineering. Of post World War II, and Europe is also cratering declining population. Again, because of all that great liberal policies and inventions and social engineering and post modernism. So we all bought into that in the West for the last 70 years.

We're getting upset, and then people like Elon Musk are funding the far right to get angry at the immigrants and angry at the black people and angry at the Muslims. When, in fact, Elon Musk is the product of that postmodern liberal corporate order that is eating itself as consumed to the United States.

“Literally, it consumed the United States to the point where Gen Z are now looking into the future and wondering what is their compelling future?”

What's the promise for these young kids? What are we promising them in the next generation? It's not the same sort of American dream or promise that we're given to our generation or our parents generation. At that point, you have a major contradiction in the political economy. And it can't be reconciled through politics or other means, then you will eventually have a fraying at the seams of the fabric of the Republic in the sense of America. But I think Western civilization, as we've come to know it, the first world is coming under pressure now, structural pressure and everything we're seeing with the Trump administration and the Trump phenomenon is an expression of that.

“As are all the supine European governments that are completely feckless and immoral and corrupt and vandalined in Brussels, this is an expression of this process.”

They just don't want to face the fact. The people themselves are like a physical manifestation of the state, the weaklings in Europe who are just the next one is weaker than the one before and nobody has any respect for them. Donald Trump in this cartoonish Vaudeville sort of in prayer like he's running a he's pretending to be a president. I think this might be the most dangerous time in the world because you have a delusional American empire that's losing power, but thinks it's gaining power.

Walking into the Thucydides trap with China, where 12 out of the last 16 times this has happened, it's led to war, rising power, challenging the existing superpower never ends well.

Boy, I don't know that I can help them. I don't know that I have anything good to say to you know just work harder. I don't know that that's the answer. What do you tell these people that are looking into the future? It's way more dangerous than 80 years ago because we don't just have one nuclear on state superpower. We have eight or ten. And in the top tier maybe four or five in the top tier. That's way way more dangerous. So, you know for this next generation, they have to look at I sort of tried to address this a little bit.

But I didn't go having enough time to go deep into it in my my talk at anarchopoco, but this this construction of this digital control grid and the that has got people so pin down in their day to day movements and ability to express themselves on the public square forms that we have social media and YouTube, etc. And then the system's ability to switch people off if they're seen to be an unfavorable person either switch them off at the port of entry in a country or switch them off like in terms of debank gang and this is something that happened to a lot of our colleagues during the covid fiasco with the vaccine scandal and all of this stuff all of us who were protesting against it speaking out against we're getting canceled on different levels.

“And also this this can extend with people or anti war activists now as well. And so that that why that's different is this the first time in history where there's no expectation of any privacy just imagine that no private life.”

No private. No private movements like no private activity period and so going into that it's very difficult to then rise up to overthrow the system in a physical way that maybe previous generations were able to do when things just got so corrupt when things just got so out of order.

That it was suffocating and people had no choice as Gerald Zelente famous says when people have nothing left to lose they lose it.

“And but now when you lose it what do you where do you lose it you're going to end up losing it in your bedroom and going into a manic depression.”

And then you're how you're going to cope with it is not to rise up against the man but go down to the farm to Walgreens and get a prescription for his annex. You know that that's how a lot of people are coping or turning to drugs or just basically withdrawing into their virtual worlds. So that's to me the big human challenge at least in the West now I'm talking about people in other places in the world including places I've just visited recently even in Iran they're not as tied into that digital world.

They still connected with the real world traditional family the land you know you know food from from the point of the getting it from the tree to the plate. I mean that's that's not a foreign concept for people in those countries or in another countries in South East Asia or in Africa or in large parts of South America even in Mexico for instance. In the US and Europe and Canada and in advanced countries like Japan more and more people especially the young generation are more and more siloed into this kind of centralized system of providing everything that they need or seemingly they need at a whim.

“That that that's going to be a big challenge so you got two choices at that point and again this is a conversation that we had a lot of during the anarcho polka week with people. You can opt out. You can look for an escape hatch.”

That you can start an intentional community and there's a lot of people are going to do that and you know I wouldn't ever get in their way and I would never tell them that's a bad idea because it's not a bad idea it's a great idea. However there's still a large percentage of people that still live within the confines of this this ruling system and so then the question is you know a lot of us in the freedom community or in the truth community or however you want to characterize it. So many of us are withdrawn from politics we don't vote we don't get it we don't interface with the system because it's so corrupt and we our vote doesn't matter anyway and we're not going to get involved in any local meetings and we're just going to withdraw.

That's an option that's with draw my my participation with draw my consent but there's a price to that and that's the people who are going to engage are those people you just said Charlie the being worse ones being replaced by even worse ones and the level of mediocrity just keeps going higher and higher.

And are only caring about themselves they're and their goal-plated pension and their and their cloud and their status and that's it and job for life and ideally a job where they don't have to actually do anything so that that's who's ruling us more and more that's the case so what about what happened of all of us in the art community even the people that we spent a week with recently in Mexico.

What happened if those were the dominant faces in our in our system in our government those were our congressmen our senators those were the heads of all the committees.

“I think we'd have a very very different situation on our hands personally.”

So that's just I'm just putting that out there Charlie as an idea.

Well there's and and I'll tell you this there's I suppose a bright side to the younger generation being digital and being aware I've never seen so many people.

Question the official narratives that they're seeing on TV in a way that they didn't do in the past and in one of them that came up here in the states that was everywhere was there are massive protests happening in Tehran. The the regime has murdered tens of thousands of protesters out there now of course I hear that I immediately my bullshit detector goes off like crazy but for the average person in America or in the UK who's just got a couple minutes to consume information on the news to the best that they can.

“They see that they hear it it's a maybe they see it on one channel and they think maybe then they read it in the newspaper whoa I see it again or maybe they hear it online.”

Next thing you know it's real to them you are there what was the reality of the situation that you saw in the ground in Tehran.

But that's one of the reasons I decided to go and believe me there is a lot of things keeping me from going a lot of hurdles a lot of obstacles political obstacles and I will I will be you know I've already been you know targeted for for going over there and and very malicious ways and I expect to see more of that and but but quite frankly I had no choice because as a journalist I can't keep. Opining and analyzing and covering this this region is area it there comes a limit where you're talking about a place or a country that if you don't have personal experience and you did there are limitations to what you can how you can express yourself in terms of understanding what's actually happening on the ground so I wanted to go to see what what the real situation was politically.

I I got fairly conclusive answers on this one of them is that there is a massive sense of solidarity within the country of the run and because it's being targeted and threatened and that that comports and is consistent with everything I studied in my.

“You know as a masters opposed graduate student in international relations so all that theory and is good even though you know the theory even though it makes sense to you to see it verified.”

Strengthens it to another level so I saw that with my own eyes I experienced it I got attacked for sharing those insights internationally one video which I had no idea was going to end up on their national broadcaster someone just came up to me with a phone. I was out there with two million people all supporting the supreme leader in the government and saying you know you screw America basically you know bring it on and then someone shot a mobile phone video asked me a question or tooth. It was for their blog and it was on their national news and then it went went international after that and boy did I did I read through the world meant for that one minute or one minute and 30 seconds but but I'm glad I did it and also just to also I feel like what as a journalist I don't go just to go look for a story I go to learn what life is like and I want to know what the people are like and I want to know if I can sit down.

And you know and I want to understand what their customs are and have have a meal have a conversation have a political debate and then they're asking me a lot of questions about my side as well that's also part of the journey is you're you're I'm I'm the evidence for them of what some people in my part of the world think and not like what fox news is putting out on the airway so that for me being there that's also valuable. have an alternative American or Western perspective for Iranians and so. Yeah, sort of we think that we're all cheerleading this insanity that that I mean my guess is that their media.

I think before social media that was a big big problem now they see how many of us reasonable insightful people are on social media they see the numbers and they know that we're here.

Now and and they really do and so they're very canny in that sort of thing politically I would say Iranians are very canny and very smart and they are they are the best trolls in terms of mending and trolling they're incredible. And it makes. They regard America even conservatives in America is being kind of woke. You know they because they're actually conservative they're socially compared they're pro family they're they're religious they're not you know they're against abortion they're against all those things that conservatives claim to be against in America but aren't really.

And they're pro sovereignty and they're also they're they're pro their own interests in their you know which is again what a lot of Americans claim on the right.

“And that's not just on the right this is this is across our political spectrum in Washington I wish I wish there were more Americans that would I think.”

And I think there are and you mentioned some bright spots Charlie and I think I think we are seeing a big opening of.

People are having this wide of eyes wide open moment now and you can see it it's very visible people are questioning. Totally that were sacred up until recently and not just young people even. Normies you know even normie boomers are coming around slowly but but but the youth I think are realizing that no this this this thing that you guys have been doing now for all these deck it's not going to work for us.

“And it's probably on board with that so that's why it pushed the elite class and the design is to the class led by Larry Ellison the second richest man in the world to basically go on a rampage of buying up every US media outlet.”

To try to control the narrative they're panicking they can't control they think that they if they buy tick talk that they're going to control.

The what people think about Israel and the world on tick talk or if they're not and to prevent them from being sympathetic to the you know native Palestinian population. It's not going to work the kids are just going to leave tick talk and say it's a sell out and they'll migrate to some other platform or they'll find another because the you know in a capitalist world that's your market. You're not going to be able to suppress that whole youth opinion market it's just not going to happen they will pop up wherever wherever they're going to pop up and they're going to dominate.

And so yeah there's something definitely to be to be hopeful for there and unfortunately we have these decrepit dinosaurs that are in power right now. I mean literally schools in their 80s like Biden and and Trump that are driving the world off the cliff and they won't even be around to see the impact. Ironic that the Jews who are such big fans of Barbara Streisand don't understand the strikes and affecting strikes and effect well yeah I mean this it's so funny you want to see some funny this is I.

Yeah that that would be a good app the Streisand app. We should we should work on that one. But so so okay let's go to speculation island I guess because because as of the recording of this the the the US has started bombing Iran. Three days ago so we're talking less than a hundred hours you know this so things are going to be progressing by the time this episode is available and you know we just understand how things progress.

“What's the what's the best case scenario for this for for all parties involved it did did we get into some sort of theatrics and and we leave it at that kind of like what happened on the the 12 day war if that's what they're actually calling it.”

Or does this spiral dragon neighboring countries that have security agreements and does this breakout like world war one where everybody gets dragged in simply because they're they're legally tied to one another and once a bomb goes off in this country that countries in and that's my fear how do you are you. Can we bright side this or is this going to get ugly.

But you know America no one should be shocked about what happened what's happening now the question is what will the US and Israel do to say face that's the question because America's already got a bloody nose. I mean think about that I mean who who would have the to marry to hit US bases and 10 different countries simultaneously and 24 hours and then pummel Tel Aviv is Tel Aviv's getting pummeled in Israel and even hit Cyprus is a major NATO base British RIF equatorian Cyprus and and NATO can't do anything because the US started the war and they're the leading NATO countries so there's.

NATO's out of the picture there but and no one thought that they would hit you that's EU territory so Iran is is already officially attacked and hit you territory not by much but they could.

If they want to send a very very massive barrage of missiles very big barrage of missiles to Cyprus and then what Europeans are going to say how did this begin. The question they should be asking themselves but instead they'll say we support our ally the United States and the Iranian regime is up orient and whatever but.

“So what will they do to say face and the sad thing is I think even at their own detriment the US and Israel have the potential to go and hit you know nuclear power stations in Iran.”

Huge havoc environmentally hit population centers kill lots of civilians in Iran and they'll try to assassinate every they have a list of all of their leaders in their planning. And they're working 24/7 to try to assassinate and kill everybody in line politically I mean that's that is a Israeli tactic and the US is is the US is merged with Israel now in its methods in its language and it's approach to international power and I think this is it's going to be very bad it's yes it will be chaotic but the US and Israel going to pay a dear price and our paying a dear price for this.

In terms of their international legitimacy and Iran has shown the world that one country one country the first country to ever stand up to the United States had to head.

The first in the modern era in a meaningful way and in flicking damage and not afraid and not surrendering being threatened with annihilation and saying we're not surrendering and they've already what they have achieved already is unprecedented and Israel I think just continues to dig a ditch for itself.

“Look Israel had total dominion over Gaza and carpet bombed it for two straight years and they still have not subdued Hamas.”

Do you think they can do that over a country like Iran as a square meter territory that's the equivalent of continental Europe.

And you think they're going to subdue them in a week and to make them capitulate no and the people are going to get more what they've done is well is whatever the results of this and they're going to be horrific for Iran I can tell you right now it's going to be bad. Iran's going to lose a lot of people and a lot of their leadership class and but what what they've done is they've motivated the young generation Iran that weren't even born during the revolution.

“They have no recollection of what their elders tell them the stories of why America is bad now they're seeing it for their own eyes so they America and Israel just reinvigorated a new generation of resistance.”

Iran and this if you look at what Iran is achieved in terms of technological developments over the last you know 20 or 30 years terms of missile tech their space program their nuclear physics their their drone tech their satellites the avionics. If this country was not under sanctions this would be a bona fide super power of Asia bona fide super power it would be the equivalent of you know maybe like a united kingdom. Or a smaller sort of super power within Central Asia and in the Middle East and but even under sanctions they're still demonstrating that they are a super power they they've achieved some level of deterrence against an overwhelmingly superior to superior adversaries with no assistance from anybody.

So that's that's something that's historically that is something so is it but does that mean there's not going to be painted suffering for them in the short term and and that's that mean the US and is not going to stop hitting them with every last bomb they have.

Iran will emerge as the de facto winner of this even taking all of the losses Iran will emerge as the winner because the winner will be judged by what the pecking order was before the war in other words if the US is up here.

“Iran is down here and say Israel's up here if after the war. It becomes this. Then you can judge relatively who won by the change in the global pecking order in terms of reverence respect.”

You know which country has the the best prospects for future coalitions with other countries mid tier powers China Russia and and then Iran will be considered the winner.

Because they haven't no have a net gain in America will be in that loss Israel will be in that loss. So they might be able to kill 100,000 Iranians and drop a couple tactical nuclear weapons and obliterate a few cities and trust me. I would not rule that out when you're talking about these demons in Washington and Tel Aviv. However, that does not guarantee them victory unfortunately for them. So that's something to think about. Let's wrap up with this. You were talking about the technology of the Iranian regime. We've seen some of the hypersonic missiles that are very impressive and unusual.

We've got a different technological group in Silicon Valley who have entered the fray here and now we're into the new era of warfare which involves pound tier. And so we saw what happened with the targeting of Gaza, the social credit scores essentially put on buildings in terms of ranking them with lavender and these programs that they have.

“What's the future of what is world war three against Iran look like in a Palantir world?”

Yeah, and that would be the second and third wave of this war later because I don't think it will end with this particular conflict that we're witnessing now. This phase is not going to be the end.

Through what the Palantir world is, Alex Carb's version of the world, Elon Musk, Lucky Palmer Lucky, and all these self-appointed guardians of humanity or inhumanity. Their view of the world is in autonomous AI swarming a constellation of autonomous AI drones, missiles, all sorts of cyber attacks, sub-to-fuge, relentless, automated until.

“The problem with this is any government can be capitated. You could render any government, you can immobilize any government.”

No matter how big the nuclear arsenal is, if you overwhelm them with swarming, you then can be very difficult to withstand. Whoever would have the advantage in the short term. I mean, eventually, if they weren't successful, the other side could come up with countermeasures with electronic warfare and other sort of countermeasures. But invariably, if this happens between nuclear powers, in other words, if let's say the US is getting so Bolsheet with their AI autonomous attacker Israel, that they are deploying it to try to decapitate the Kremlin in Russia or the Chinese government or another nuclear power.

If you're doing that with conventional AI tech, and I want to say it's conventional at this point, because autonomous AI, which can't be jammed by GPS, in other words, it's set on its own mission. And you're using that in thousands in swarming. The nuclear power, sensing an existential threat, has only one choice at that point, and that's to launch intercontinental strategic nuclear weapons. The irony is, Charlie, that AI, even though it's, quote, a conventional tech, if it's pushed to its maximum, in terms of autonomous AI and swarming and pallianteer powered decision-making, it is going to end in a thermonuclear war.

The likelihood is more than high because you're leaving countries with no other choice, which is to the existential survival or just basically surrender at that point.

And just them and people like them and people who look like them and think like them, and everyone else is, if they're not willing to work as slaves in the cobalt minds, then they really have no point on the planet. That's their compelling future for humanity. And I just see that as the logical conclusion to this where this AI madness is taking. It will upend civilization for Western civilization, and it will ultimately upend humanity. I firmly believe it. I don't see any other positive outcome unless it somehow collectively humanity can pull this back.

And to some place where it can be regulated or controlled. But what's the benefit of it? Is it making our lives having one million AI drones warms with super explosive tips, spears, running kill, kill apps, and all that. How's that making our lives better? Is it protecting us from terrorism?

“Or is it what delivering our packages ten minutes faster than normal or like what is the actual benefit of any of this stuff other than the people that are producing it and are strong army our governments to pay for it?”

And using our money at the end of the day to pay for it. Where's the benefit for humanity? I personally don't see any benefit at all.

At all, call me a lead. I don't care. Where's the benefit? I know. The omnisch had it right. We owe the omnisch a big apology not that they'd be watching this episode, of course. The omnisch, the omnisch are the most based people are planet right now. I think there's going to be a lot of appeal to go that route. You know, the men and knights in the omnisch. I mean, they definitely got it right. What's on the agenda for 21st century wire moving forward this year? What do you guys have planned besides doing outstanding reporting on the Epstein situation, by the way, I must say that you and Freddie Ponte has been putting out.

I just keep thinking that's the last one. And then there's another one. Then there's another one. What do you guys have planned for this year?

We are our mission is, and I'm thank you for asking that question Charlie, and I've been working really hard. It's been a very difficult to come back from the all the censorship and the cancellation over the, the COVID era. It made us invisible for the most part, and I've had to, we had to fight back physically. Literally, having mellowness to contact people to share and like and subscribe our YouTube channel. We're physically doing that. We're not getting anything from YouTube.

We're doing it all by hand. And, but it's starting to pay off and, you know, I'm, I'm great, great that I'm able to work with such great talent and Freddie being a tremendous journalistic talent.

“Really, you can't teach. I've worked with many journalists before, and there's something you just can't teach, you know, so you have to have an instinct.”

You have to have a nose like to know where to look to put the story in Freddie has that like natural talent. And I'm, I'm very, a great experience to be able to teamwork stories with him as well. That's another rare talent. So we're just going to keep following what we think are the emerging, important stories. And, and we're going to produce reports that have the most impact that we think is going to intervene in the narrative. So I, I look at my philosophy as Charlie, I look at the narrative like this kind of blob.

And I see it coming in my job, our job as, you know, a battleship in the, the rag tag fleet of the rebel alliance is to look for that six foot by six foot opening. I identify it and then we just unload and we keep going and we'll unload for weeks on the same target until it breaks. And when we see it breaking on on social media and online and people talking about it on big shows and everybody, okay. Damage is done. We'll move on. We're going to look for the next one.

“And that's what we're able to do is a small media outlet. There may be a big institution can do because they're having to deal with the weather, the court reporting,”

local child abduction story and the local water controversy and the local corruption and this and that, that we don't have to cover. We don't, we're not obligated to cover all of those things that a mainstream media outlet has to cover because that's part of their charter. We can focus on what we think of the important political and geopolitical points and literally I just follow my personal interest.

So I only select people that I work with that I know have an interesting world view and they see the world in an interesting way.

And I know if that's the case then they're always going to come up with very interesting things to share and talk about.

And then we're able to feed those stories into our podcast or the Sunday wire and into our other endeavors and onto interviews like this with great shows like like yours Charlie.

“And and that's that's how we see our role in the alternate media at the moment and we're just going to expand on on and do do more of it and try to double up our input by the end of the year.”

So what we have now we would like to double by the end of the year and and then launch a couple of new shows as well before. Before the end of the year should it would have been done already but I'm too busy to actually you know reporting and then doing a lot of interviews and and also running the website.

And and stuff like that so but little by little we're we're always want to keep it sustainable and growing at a pace that we can manage and that financially we can afford to maintain.

“Even in lean times and that's the important part and that's why we've been able to sustain our our outputs since 2009 late 2009 when we started I started the first blog.”

Twenty first century wire and so and but I think now this is but is going to be a big springboard year we had a really good winter fundraising drive.

And we managed to secure a lot of our budget for the coming year so that's I mean I've never been so confident.

Then this year in terms of like being able to actually do certain things in the coming year that that are going to make a difference.

“And so that's that's what we're going to do this year. Well I'll wrap up this episode the way I started my introduction of you to the stage in Mexico.”

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