#635: The Final Betrayal of America | Patrick Wood & Courtenay Turner

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This episode right now with Patrick Wood and Courtney Turner is going to be,

“I think, one that people need to pay attention to”

with the impending tech knockers is so please. Without further ado, please welcome to the show. Patrick Wood, Courtney Turner. This is going to be a good one. This has been a long time coming.

I'm excited. Courtney, you and I have done plenty of shows together a union of the unwanted over the years. A group show that we do twice a month. But this is the first time meeting Patrick Wood.

So it's my great pleasure to introduce to our audience, Patrick Wood and Courtney Turner, to talk about, well, to talk about this book that is, you know, I wish you didn't have to write this in the same way I wish that Jeff Burrick

and I didn't have to write the control demolition of the American Empire.

I've never wanted to be wrong about something so much

in my life. I'm sure you guys probably feel the same way. But unfortunately, it's just not where the evidence leads us. We're in a pretty dark place. Let's start with you, Courtney.

What led you into this because this wasn't all. I mean, Patrick's been doing this for a while, focusing on the technocracy, but what brought you into this? I'm familiar with your other work, but this is nice little slant here.

- Well, you know, it's funny because actually, it was a last week, you know, Facebook will show you your posts from a few years ago. And it showed me a post from almost five years ago now, so I was saying how, just in case anybody's curious

about where this is going. And I talked about the hive mind, the news, techno-futal order that they were creating. I don't remember exactly what my post was, but it's essentially all the things I'm saying now.

So I guess it really has been what I've been saying all along. I just didn't know then what I knew now. I saw the trajectory, it's all the vision.

I had from the very first day that I did my podcast,

I talked about transhumanism.

“I remember, I think they were talking about”

like the transgender movement. And I said that, you know, not that I don't think what they're doing to the children is terrible. I'm not condoning it, but that I really think the real agenda was about transhumanism.

And so I didn't want to feed the dialectical churn by feeding into, you know, creating the resistance, talking about it, because I felt like the end goal was really, it was really transhumanism. So, you know, go right there, point that out,

you know, blow off the cover of all of their narrative warfare, but I didn't know as much about technology, but then I had started following Patrick's work and I learned more about that. And I was like, well, there, as his book says,

they're evil twins. So they go really hand in hand. And so yeah, but then what happened with what's happening now with the Trump administration, you hear a lot of the verbiage of technology coming from the left, the globalist,

you know, the UN, I've talked a lot about, you know, for two years, I was on the TNT radio as the quote unquote UN yet, expert. So yeah, I've been, you know, really trying to uncover their agenda and a lot of their spiritual underpinnings

that I think are very much shared in this technology and transhumanism world as well.

“But I think what people didn't necessarily expect”

was that it would be coming as it does in typical hegaly and dialectical fashion that it would come through the right as well. And that's very much what we're seeing and that's, you know, what we've wrote about in the book.

So yeah, I got into this. I got straight on what transhumanism means and that's when I really got scared. When I realized it was the rebranding of eugenics by Huxley in the late '50s and it's like,

you know, this eugenics British eugenics society has sort of a reputation problem, you know, what would the killing and all. So why don't we rebrand it in the something that sounds a little bit more futuristic,

like transhumanism and then you, and everyone says, yeah, it's great, you know, I get into a car accident. You guys will build me a robot arm and it's like, well, yeah, if it was only that, it could probably be on board with it.

But it seems that there's a more sinister agenda to this, you've been writing about this forever, Patrick, but on the one hand, I suppose you could see it coming, but now we're sort of here. Is it everything that you thought it would be?

- It is unfortunately. When I started writing about any of this stuff, like technocracy in particular, like 15, 18 years ago, the all the people at that point, the tech bros, if you will, none of them were billionaires.

They didn't have the mass of lump sums of money

And on one hand, you could say, well,

“they're not really powerful enough to do anything.”

They're talking about doing stuff, but maybe they'll just fall by the way. So I had the stubbed or toe or whatever the loser money. Well, that hasn't happened, obviously.

And now, this group of people have gotten so powerful

that they can't be stopped. And, you know, the same thing with transhumanism, back in the '90s, who cared? People were talking about all kinds of crazy stuff. That, you know, a new age stuff, the philosophy,

I mean, what it doesn't matter what, whatever your boat, lots of people were talking, talk as cheap, right? But when people get in a group of people and all of a sudden, oh, we have $50 billion to work with here. Let's go out and do something with our ideas.

That's the problem. This is the problem today. - Very dangerous, I did. - I wanted, when you were saying how, like, if you get into a car accident,

they can give you a robot arm, that kind of thing,

this is something I deal with personally all the time

because I, you know, my story, right? So I wear bilateral hearing aids. I, you know, I had heart surgeons one year's old. I, you know, I'm a byproduct of a lot of this modern technology. And I'm very grateful for, you know,

I don't want to make it, you know, any misconceptions about that. I'm incredibly grateful. But people will say, well, then, you know, that's transhumanism.

And I'm like, no, there's a line, like, giving me hearing aids that give me about 80% of the hearing that most people have without them, it's not transhumanism.

“That's not like super-seeding human, you know, bound, right?”

It's, you know, helping me to be able to communicate, you know, even though I, without I wouldn't. And even though it still doesn't give me the hearing that, you know, most people would have. It's like saying wearing glasses is transhumanism.

It's not.

But the problem is that they use these types of situations

and pray on people's sympathies because if somebody's paralyzed and you could give them technology that would help them to walk again and to, you know, live an immensely improved quality of life, who, you're going to seem like a terrible person.

You say, oh, I don't want to fork that, of course, you support that. But with there, there's a line here. Like, is that what they're doing with their tripping people? - The base, however, the bottom line for transhumanism

is to escape death, period and disugget, full stop. That's their end goal. It'll always be their end goal. They'll not deviate from it, getting there. - Yeah. - And at this point, all the transhumanists

side us in the world, that's most of the people involved with and genetics, genetic research, these people are really wacko in my opinion. But they're pursuing escaping death. Life extension companies are all over the place now.

And they're getting money from people like Elon Musk Jeff Bezos, Peter Teele, et cetera. All these people have a booku box. And they're pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into these companies to figure out

how can we escape death? And this is not an agenda that most people in the world want to pursue. But they're just doing it on their own. And of course, they have the money,

'cause it will have the money, they can do whatever they want to do with it. But at this point, it's spot an industry of wealth, if you will, all around the world. These people really want to escape death.

And everything else you want to say about it, you have to keep that in mind.

“There was a, you might remember this guy called”

Isston Zoltan, I can't remember this in the name right now, he's, he founded the Transmute Human Political Party. He wrote, he had this bus. He drove all over the country. And he was promoting transhumanism.

The bus was dressed up as a coffin. (laughs) What flowers? What flowers on hop, perfect. And he ran for president.

Oh, he's crazy to advertise in great for once. (laughs) Well, people, he wasn't laughing, believe me. People looked at him, I'm a laughing at this guy, because in my opinion, he was probably

making a fool of himself. But this shows you the mindset of this transhuman crowd. There's not been one human in history other than Jesus Christ who has this, who has met with that.

But they're betting on the calm now that they could do it.

Yeah. With good science. Well, I remember in the '90s, it was just alcohol and Ted Williams' head in a cryogenic tub somewhere right now.

Now it's, it's spawn an entire industry. You know what I fear most, well, not most. But I fear this as something in the future with the transhumanism component. You know, you've got technologies, MRNA technologies,

you're injecting them into your body. Maybe at some point, maybe not right now, but at some point in the future, you now have taken in so many non-human components

into your body that I wonder if there is a threshold

at some point in which the powers that be say that you are now legally transhuman. Meaning, you're no longer human with the human rights and that apply to us, but you have now crossed that threshold. You become transhuman by law.

You're owned by the patent holders of the technology that's circling through your veins. And you have, we've slipped into some dystopian hellscape where there are no rights because you're no longer a person anymore.

Is that, am I out of my mind with this evil fantasy that these guys are cooking up?

“Is that something that you think might be conceivable, Patrick?”

Well, it might be an a future. I don't see it right the second, but you can say that. That's a possibility. We have other things to worry about right now for sure. But, you know, the money, all this money,

I've always said, follow the money, follow the power.

That's in my blood. If you fall in money on this whole thing, it's grown over the top. That's all you can say. And whatever comes out of it,

there's been talk about having patents on organs, stuff like that when they get implanted in you. But it hasn't been exercised yet. Courtney, are we looking at a potential genetically modified person future?

I think that's very likely. I mean, the cyborg is definitely where they're headed. They have all sorts of conferences on synthetic biology. They're using like an organoids to mimic human brains. They haven't gotten there yet,

but that's what they're working on. And they have all sorts, I mean, they can make robots with the DARPA skin that is so real that it sweats. So, I mean, the technology is very, very bad. As far as the patent law and losing the human rights,

I can see that it's a very logical kind of concern.

“But I think the bigger concern is that they're already doing it.”

They have completely deviated that our human rights. And I think that's actually what people need to be really focused on at the local level, not saying an amendment to the constitution. But neural rights and your biological data should be an extension of your personhood.

They should not have any rights to that. By virtue of you being human, you have an alienable rights. We have been so de-rassinated from that concept and from those metaphysical roots that most people don't know them, let alone are able to stand up and defend them.

And because people don't know them and don't defend them, that is why they are doing all of these technocratic in positions to rewrite our rights as now permissions. They're using code to write permissions versus honoring the fact that we have an alien and barites that they can't trample on.

Patrick, you mentioned following the money. Can I just ask you really quick, that's money that I keep seeing, not all of it, of course. But a lot of it seems to come through in CUTEL as the venture capital arm of the CIA, that's been a real pipeline for some diabolical companies

over the years. Where else is this money coming in from? I mean, Sandhill Road and all of the venture capital firms, obviously.

“That's a logical place, but is this international money?”

Is this who's financing this? It definitely is that there is some international money coming in. Not necessarily from the expected sources, like George Sorrell's for instance, he's got money. This he gave it to everybody, I don't know, but I don't think so.

Um, you see, uh, and to Inkichell had provided the seed capital for all, for many companies, like Facebook, Google, etc. And that, um, when the forest fire got burning, really hot,

a fire tornado, where all of a sudden,

the money started to breed itself.

“And it just, like a whirl, like a whirlwind, like a, and at this point,”

it took, um, most of it has been self finance at this point. Now, having said that, we see, for instance, because of Trump, President Trump, unfortunately, he's, uh, got a conduit into Miss Middle Eastern money, the sheaks, and rich people in the mid-east, who were pouring billions and billions and

billions of dollars into the AI infrastructure. This is very disturbing because what do we have in common, uh, with, uh, Islamic finance, for instance, well, nothing, really. But at this point, Trump said, oh, we like your money. So come, come over here and vests with us and become partners with us.

There's other revifications of that. But here's the source of money that nobody really expected.

“And, um, it's, it's getting very, very serious. I think at, at last, uh,”

Trump has probably, uh, two point two trillion dollars that he sucked out of the mid-east at this point, to be invested in America. Wow. And so he's that where that half a trillion dollars is coming from, that he announced on day two with Sam Altman, Larry Ellison, uh, flanking him. A lot of it is, you know, but the, the interesting twist there, we didn't, we didn't see that this happened in real time, but when Trump's of crypto company got started, that was world, uh,

world liberty financial, um, just before the, uh, inauguration last year, um, the, um, I can't remember, it can't get, get his name, can't pronounce it correctly, for sure. He's called the spy sheet. He's the brother of the, uh, the leader of the king of the UAE. And he's a billionaire over, you know, many times over. And he's in charge of all the, uh, security, the, um, AI infrastructure that they've been putting in place over there.

Well, he invested $500 million into Trump's financial crypto company.

What? I mean, he got a 40, 49% interest for his $500 million. If this is, I mean, all of a sudden, Trump isn't bad, almost equal partners with us, uh, with a Islamic country. And they've made his huge investment. Well, what, why, why would they care about, uh, USD 1 and, you know, stable coins and that stuff, that isn't that old, and then it here, you think, well, I'm sorry that there's, there's a national, national, a natural affinity

in the mid east to gravitate towards fintech, anything fintech, they're pouring money into it.

“That's financial technologies. That's what the, what the industry's called, fintech.”

They want to be the leader, global leader on fintech. And it's just, uh, it just turns out that their, their asset-based banking system, Sharia banking and the mid east is totally compatible with Trump, with what Trump is setting up with his, um, his company. And, you know, so they, they're, they're, they're just going to make merry together, I guess, you know, okay, I don't like that at all. But here's here's the, here's the, this was this, this was a secret deal that

it finally got out and the open, I think just about a month ago. How did the Israeli steel

doubt it? They're, they are on board by and large with everything that Trump is doing at this point. And I have, I have to say this because you, you're, you're going to, you're bringing it up, uh, uh, what, what, what, what are the, what are the, uh, Israeli thinking? Everybody has an agenda, we know that. Everybody in the world has some type of agenda, global agenda. But let me, let me say this, while people are worrying about how Israel has hosed us or whatever,

that nobody's paying attention to all this Islamic influence coming in our country, like, uh,

that they spent on education, uh, sweeping into universities to control them with their, you know,

propaganda, model, and whatever. And, um, this has been totally overlooked. It needs to be, would, we need to stop overlooking this, this influence, for sure. I got to, you know, as the Islamic world, they're, they're not just, uh, they're not benevolent towards us at all. They'd like to kill us all. And so, and the, the company, it's, uh, M. G. X. That's a chic tune, and he was one of the seed funders for the project Stargate, the 500. Yes, he was. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, there's, uh,

this is a, this is a, this is a, you, so let's talk a little bit about your book, uh, the final

“betrayal, how technocracy destroyed America. Is there, is it destroyed past tense? Can, can we?”

It is. And, okay, and at this point, it's a, it's, it's, it's, I like to hold on to the cautionary tail fart, but uh, that's the optimism you. I love it so that she, she agreed. We, we should do that just for, for a little bit of hope. Yeah. Yeah. But, but there's no hope in our book, not at all. Yeah, um, like I said, if, if these people had no money, I would not be worried about them at all. Yeah, I really wouldn't. No, it's one thing, if you and your stoner friends are plotting

how to take over the world, but you wake up the next day and you have no resources or no ability to make it happen. It's quite a different thing when these people get together at their conferences, it build a burger, it, uh, to try lateral commission. And they start talking about things because they actually do have the financial capacity and the connections to make this happen. So,

I've been, I've always told people like, don't be dismissive of these people. I know they

sound crazy with their ideas of like world government, but they're, they're, unfortunately, in a better position to make it happen than we are. And so, better than we are to stop it, too. Yeah. Yeah, probably. So, where do we, how do we do this? So, with any problem, I suppose maybe like the first step is acknowledging that you have a problem. Do we have an American public that is even in the, in the ballpark of acknowledging that they have a problem with

technology or they just head down in their cell phone, walking right out in the traffic.

“Could be. I think some people do know, uh, and I think there are people pushing back. I know we've”

seen some people have had success pushing back in some of the data centers. And I think that's, that's you, just a really good place to start. Uh, those data centers and, uh, did you, I mean, it should be bipartisan, but you know, all the people who are all about the environmentalism and supposedly the green energy and the technology was going to save us, meanwhile, they're literally violating the Clean Air Act. They're polluting, uh, you know,

everything around them and they're taking up all of the fresh drinking water. So, these people are literally having their drinking water be used and poisoned. And that should be a real concern. So, if that's in your area, that is definitely something you can do. And I have seen, you know, some movements with like farmers pushing back against things like the climate smart community projects. Uh, because there's really no reason why they need to have their greenhouse

gas emissions monitored. Uh, I don't even think that it's really feasible, but nonetheless, they create all these various types of smart meters and, you know, they trip the cows and, uh, they have several different projects in the work. So, that's something people can do. Uh, I think in education is another one that's, you know, I mean, the, the, the possibilities are endless. I'm just giving like off top of my head three that come to mind, uh, but I think in education,

because a huge part of this agenda, and it always has been, is the check-ad, and to put every child

in a computer on a blockchain letter, ledger. That has always been the agenda. Um, and, you know, uh, Charlotte is a bit blue. The whistle on that back in the 80s when she was working under Reagan at the best of better education through technology program. And they are using this through social emotional learning, all of this tech-ed, and now Trump, which is completely unconstitutional, was advocating for nationalizing school choice. There is nothing constitutional about that,

and they know it sounds very confusing to people because you hear choice and it sounds like freedom. You already have a God-given ride to educate your child, however you see fit. If that means putting

“them into public school, that is your prerogative. But if you want to homeschool them,”

there should not be parameters and the government oversight in that regard. But the reason they want to do it is so they can create these public-private partnerships, and if you look at what some of these things, when some of these programs are doing,

it's, they're already beta testing this whole cybernetic organism that can, you know,

rewards or penalize it for where you spend the money. You don't just get carte blanche, you know, oh, we'll give you this amount of money who's spend it on whatever. But the other thing that they're doing through that is they're training these parents who otherwise might not

“be savvy in that realm, but they're training them now and conditioning them, and I think this is”

a huge entryism for this bigger tokenized kind of a society. What do they do with all that data that they scrape off those kids in school in the, in the government school? So I would imagine that gets fed somewhere, Pearson publishing somebody, the common core, somebody's looking at that, right? Patrick? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. All the data has been sucked out of the washing to DC right now. Thanks. Thanks to Doge, mostly. So, you know, the pipeline has been

constructed, if you will, to pump all the data into the cloud. And in the first place, you have

to remember, all the, the tectocrats talk about breaking down silos of data. That's, that's not what we ever intended to do in the first place when, when databases were set up at the Washington DC, for instance, your, your tax database, your tax information. That's supposed to be styled

“for Pete's sake. Remember, anybody, other agencies were not supposed to get access to that at will? Well,”

this whole theory is just blown out of the water now, but it's all, all the data is individually been pumped up, pumped into the cloud. So it can all be accumulated one by one place. And now,

talent here has basically the shepherding contract to take all that information and turn it around

and use it against the American people. Who, who would have thought that was the intent of Doge in the first place? Well, I, I did. I was, I thought as a fraud from getting when Elon Musk shows up for Pete's sake. So, you know, this, this is crazy. Back, back to the, back to the question, however, about government versus tectocrats. At this point, we as people, we have, we have no power unless it's political power. This is why we have a political system.

You may not like it, but we had, this is why we have a political system at first place. I think it was a good political system based on the constitutional public idea, not a democracy for sure, but the idea that what, what, what these tectocrats have done at this point, they have weakened our government intentionally through deregulation, through laws designed to strip power away from Congress to the point that Congress has been, and a whole political structure has been degraded,

“if you will, or denuded, I think of a dog going to the vet, you know, like I just got sniped, right?”

But at this point, our political system can't represent the people anymore, because they're insensitive to what we're doing out here or what stuff we're talking about. They haven't, don't have a clue what we're talking about. Would that anyone politician would listen to this interview, they'd get, they'd get the whole picture in a very short period of time, but they won't do that, they're insulated, they're cut off, and they're being acrophied every day. So our power

is receding, and with their power, and the tectocrat power is ascending. This is unsustainable, in my opinion, and where will, where will break? I don't know, but is it possible for the people themselves to somehow master the mass protest or something across the country to shut everything down? I don't know that that could happen, but, you know, it hasn't happened to China, for instance, it hasn't hadn't happened in Russia either, or any other dictatoria country, the world,

how about North Korea? You won't get away with it there. So, yeah. Courtney, I wonder, you have a unique, uniquely qualified answer to this question, given your medical history. Where are we going with HIPAA violations and the tectocratic era because they talk about siloing information? This is something that is a real Pandora's box. I mean, you talk about people's, I mean, I think, on some level, we're already sharing our data

they sort of monitor you a little bit. I think in their fantasies, they would monitor you completely,

and every time you wait a snickers your insurance price would cost me insurance or triple.

“But what did you through your journey through the health system as a child and beyond?”

You have concerns about your private health information getting into the hands of these maniacs. Unfortunately, it already is. So, a pound here in Oracle really have access to almost all of your unless you gone completely without insurance paid out of pocket and been completely outside of a database. So, there are things I think people can do because a lot of people get testing done. Of course, they work with insurance, many people do. You can ask where the data gets sent,

and you can try and, you know, mitigate how much exhortation occurs. You know, to have access

over your data and to request it be localized and that nothing gets sent off unless you sign and authorize. That is what it was supposed to be. But unfortunately, what they've done now, this is actually part of the whole alleopathic medical system where that part of the highway has progressed to such a deleterious state is that you have, with like, insurance, for instance, what doctors are doing is they're trying, the reason they're so focused on diagnostics is

because they're looking up a code. So, they have to match the code to, you know, whatever diagnostic that give you in order to build you for insurance and then that's where they get,

oh, we give you this pill for that diagnosis. But those numbers, the diagnostic that give you

is a number. It's a code that goes into the database. So, there's already this massive database and they argue that it's for interoperability, right? It's all for your convenience and for your efficiency, but things are getting progressively worse because now they're really moving into the fields of genomics and, you know, people have mixed ideas about how valid that study even is, but nonetheless, it's what they're using to collect all this information and on top of it by a metric

data, right? So, we had a, and when we talked about this in the book, but we had our FK Junior who comes out with Maha and don't get me wrong. I love the idea of making America healthy again. You're not going to get any arguments for me about banning seed oils and getting rid of the

“pesticide and all the garbage, you know, chemicals that are in our food. I think that's great,”

you know, when people can have a little ownership over their own health and the government can get out of the way a little bit, that would be wonderful. However, he said, and I did warn people that I really thought that Maha was a Trojan horse for AI precision medicine, which was largely what Stargate is all about. And he said, he did a tweet saying that Maha is really Maba, make America biotech accelerate. So, right there in the acronym is the derivative of the term

accelerationism, right? Accelerate. He, he was, he knew what he was doing when he used that term, but he also proceeded to say that every American needs to be equipped with a wearable by the end of four years. And now, if Americans want to wear wearable, that's their prerogative. I should have still believe, you know, free choice. And I think there's a lot of value in having some data, you know, people can help themselves in that regard, but they should have ownership of that data.

“That data you should be able to toggle, you know, this does not get exported. This is never”

share. This is just between you and, you know, whatever is tracking in. But the purpose of this is the internet of wearables. It's tied to the internet of things. It's tied to the internet of everything, which is connected to the internet of bodies. And the internet of bionano things isn't quite here, but with six G, it becomes much more feasible. And that does seem like where it's headed. And with the genomics, and you think about the insurance companies and the ramifications

of that, again, we get into this cybernetic feedback loops where people can be put into literally, like, brave new world cast systems, certain genetics will grant you better insurance premiums. Maybe you'll get higher for a job. Maybe, oh, you have this genetic marker. This says, you might be prone to ADHD. I don't think we can hire you. You know, I'm making up a scenario, but they can see how this could go. And I think it's really, really potentially insidious.

Brave new world, Patrick, I mean, it feels like past systems. Soma are we a couple steps away from spraying everybody down with Soma? I'm waiting for my ship. Make up to come in. With you, I think they're going to give you a different kind. Unfortunately, you've been born in their side for quite a while, but they're tired. I know. Look, the book, the book, night of the Brave new world written by Huxley in 1932. That was it. That's when

hobnobbing with the president of Columbia in Europe. I wouldn't say they're best buds, but

“lure the president of Columbia. He loved the people in Europe, especially the fashions.”

And one of his best friends was he said Mussolini. He loved the guy. So, he was bragging all over the place that he had this new project to take Columbia University call tech ocracy. I'm sure that had some impact on Huxley. And, you know, I figure, well, maybe I could write a book on this. It's a bit interesting book. So, you see in that book, there was no political system, nothing, no political. Everything was decided by the cast system. If you were at A plus,

alpha plus, you're the supreme leader, that point. Whatever you say goes, then they had the A class,

then they had the the betas and the deltas and the gamas and the grunts at the bottom of the system. They were all bred and conditioned for their job class. And you see, but beyond that,

“they're all singing happy, happy thoughts, happy songs, even the grunts were, were made for this,”

were being, it was all happy, it was sort of thing. And if they didn't, if they got twerked and they could take the drug so much and they'd chill out quickly. But then you see genetic modification and all the babies who have to be born in incubators, no, women could not have babies at all. They could have plenty of sex, but not in a marriage sort of way. They're supposed to be available to anybody. I don't, how would that work out any, any society. But, you know, this, this is so

dystopian that people laugh it off, but this, this was the, this was the, this is what was in the

mind of these technocrat, scientists and engineers at Columbia University in the first place.

Yeah. These people were so darkhearted, it wasn't even funny. In in 1932, they were just in the final years of their partnership with Rockefellers to build out the Rockefeller Center. So they were, they were knee deep in it with the, with the Rockefellers who were talking about, you know, maybe they got the idea for the caste system from, oh, I don't know, India, from all their exploits around the world where they were seeing this. But, you know, it, it was limited to just

a fancy in 1932, but flash forward almost a hundred years. And now, we have the opportunity for them to actually put this technocracy forward. Courtney, when you see things like the North American Technite and you hear Trump talking about Greenland and Panama, and to that send off alarm bells, especially when you grab Venezuela, to that, did, did, did you start saying, "Uh, we've been talking about this for a while?" Yeah, it was like, whoa, he's really going there

and, you know, in Greenland, they've already created something called Praxis. And this is a Peter T.O., and a bunch of the tech bros, and Trump is calling you to freedom city. And they have already a sister's network state city called Atlas in the in California. And I can't believe they used the word Praxis, by the way. I mean, these names just, it's like, you know, they're so in your face. They're really Praxis is a, that's the name. But yeah, for your freedom city, quote-unquote,

for freedom city, yeah, Praxis. Praxis and dialogue, but, you know, which is Peter T.O., the quote-unquote secret society that was just outed after two decades. But yeah, there's,

“so they're already building their network states there, and, you know, setting up shops. So, I think”

that they're planning, it's a great place for all the resources. Obviously, Ben as well, I has tremendous resources as well. The data centers are going to require tremendous resources. And of course, it does follow the exact map of, I have the technology study course there. Yeah, that's the map for you. So, yeah, it seems like that's the plan. And the, the executing it. If you caught a strike, when you talk about this 10 years ago,

everybody wants to fit you for a tin foil hat in the straight jacket. But now, it's so out in the, out in the open, Patrick, are you having friends from the past now asking, is sending you emails, apologizing and asking to clarify what they've see happening in the world these days, or, or is everybody just kind of giving up on you? No, it's disappointing on one hand.

thing in the first place for grandiose kudos. And, you know, I learned that with Anthony Sutton.

“He, I was hitched down in the 70s, and he was a prior amongst academics. They kicked him out of”

Stanford University, the Hoover Institution for Warp Peace and Revolution. And, you know, the guy was just really broken and at the end of his life. And so, this was where I started. I picked up with him. Oh, and then our book, our, our books, trial, that was over Washington, got banned nationwide, by Beatleton books, booksellers, and that just was the end of us. They just stopped us to death, because of the message we put out. And, it even did this day, Traletto's over Washington,

is a standard for analysis on the Traletto Commission. It's almost 50 years old now.

So, you know, I, I can't expect anybody to get on board with me. Even now, lots of people, however, are starting to write on their own, their investigative journalist,

“picking up some of the slack now. And I think, you know, obviously, I was the seed, if you will,”

for all that activity. And I'm happy with that. But, if, if Sutton were live today, and if I teamed up with him to give a speech somewhere today, what's going on? It would be a very, very short speech, because he would echo my words, we told you so. Yeah. Boy, yeah, you did. And, and it's frustrating, because had people had enough people listened early on. Maybe we could move this just a little bit off course and done something. My fear is that when the digital

prison door closes behind us, it's too late at that point. When they hear that sound, you know, the the Shawshank, the door slamming shut and it becomes real to them. My fear is that at that point, it's too late. Is it too late, Courtney? I don't know if it's too late, but the door is definitely

“closing in. And all of these various movements are really converging. So, I know sometimes when I write”

things, I make it sound like they're coordinating. I'm really talking about like a Higalean synthesis. It doesn't mean they're necessarily all plotting together. But there's a sheer through line.

Right? There's a shared vision of this scientific dictatorship. Ultimately, this idea that the

expert should rule that there should be optimization and efficiency that human beings don't have inherent rights, inalienable rights just by sheer existence of being human. They don't think that. They think we need to be managed and optimized and that, you know, the society needs to be efficient. And therefore, you know, political systems and civic duty and morality all need to go out the window so that they can run us like, you know, cogs in a machine. And it's moving very rapidly.

I mean, certainly we're seeing the Trump administration has run with the acceleration as, you know, at like, it's operation work, you know, on steroids in my opinion. But, you know, we're also seeing all these other movements converge. I read an article about the 250th anniversary of America's birthday. And the Boston Global Forum, who is partnered with the AI World Society, which is the Artificial Intelligence World Society, which is the UN's vision for the Centennial of

the UN. So they're planning to have an AI government that will run the world. I don't know what book might have predicted. This could happen. But yeah. So they just, they wrote their Michael Dukakis is the head of the Boston Global Forum. He is a soccer governor, Massachusetts, right? And he wrote a book called Remaking the World Treaty of Global Enlightenment. That's not nod to the new age. I don't know what is. But his new book, that is the ebook is out.

But they launched. He's going to be May 1st at Harvard, Harvard Loeb house is going to be the inaugural, you know, launch of this book. And it is called America at 250, a beacon for the AI age. So it is all about creating a global governance structure that is run by AI. And you have a lot of different movements in this country that are supporting it using the banner of democracy, which anybody who has read the Constitution once knows we are a constitutional republic,

not a democracy. But so many are, you know, fooled by this marketing. And they think that it's a,

technocratic. They're all advancing technocratic agendas. AI infrastructure, AI governance.

“So yeah, it's closing quickly. And I think people need to, if we're going to stop it,”

people need to start pushing back. The year that has been pushed quite a bit is 2030, you and sustainable development, the 17 SDGs, Patrick and your opinion are, are they on track for 2030 or they had a schedule or they behind schedule, which you're taken on that target date. It seems to be important date, not because the United Nations said so. This is fairly. But things to are converging very, very rapidly at this point. And one is certainly the

one tell is the advancement of AI. I've been conducting a statistic when Trump got an office in January that last year. I made that the quarter one. Then chronology going forward, quarter two, three, four, and so on. Well, AI has been doubling, but every four and a half months. And it probably is going to continue that trajectory and the future. Maybe little slower or not. But I'm just saying, if this point were five quarters in and by the time Trump is out of office,

if he doesn't get a peach, this this summer or this fall, you'll see AI will have advanced from day one and Trump administration to the day he leaves.

“At AI will have advanced 15,000 times over. What does this mean? What does this mean?”

At this point, I can't hardly get my head around it myself, but at this point, this whole field is racing so fast ahead of any legislative process or anything that we can think that's going

to happen. If AI is 15,000 times more powerful and just two and a half years, just think what these

technocrats are going to be like at that point. Yeah. Yeah, this is this is scary. I wonder if maybe the accelerated rate of development might actually be its Achilles heel in the sense that people just ultimately go, you know what? I'm out. I'm not interested in this. This technology is moving so fast. I want to go to the park with my kids. I don't want to participate in this anymore. I don't. Now, I know they may not have a choice, right? But if you get an enthusiastic group of people

that want to participate in the technocracy, that's one thing. But if you have moved so fast that you have freaked everybody out to the point where they throw their hands up and say, I want to unplug

from the system now in a way that I never even thought of doing maybe just a year ago. Is that

“ultimately a gigantic problem for them if they push a little bit too fast on this Courtney?”

Well, I would think that if that was going to be a problem, you'd see more people pushing back now. I mean, it's advanced pretty quickly. And I don't know. It's strange to watch it. Like I I think because I so terrified of where this could head, you know, I don't want to put it in past hands. But where it's already headed is scary enough to me that it's so strange to me to hear the techno-optimists. I mean, people who are, they're championing the idea of, you know, being run

by technology, having governments completely because the government's so corrupt. I'm not saying it's not corrupt. We definitely have a problem. But that we should replace and that that's going to be the solution. Do we think that the people who are coding the AI government are, they're just the most benevolent people in the world? And even if they were, like let's just say, hypothetically, they were the most benevolent people that there's going to be no corruption or flaw in that system.

I mean, it's completely autocratic, right? That's algocracy. You're completely going to be run by a machine. There's no give in that. You think it's difficult to go to court and negotiate with a human being? Well, you're not going to negotiate with a smart contract. So to me, that's terrifying. But there are people who are championing this who think this is wonderful. And they think the idea of

possible. But these fantasies really seem to excite some people. So that scares me in some ways even

more than it actually happening because it's the loss of humanity. I mean, really this vision is a post-thuman world. And as you know, as flawed as we may be with all of our foibles,

“I'm kind of on team humanity. I'd like to see it survive. So yeah, I don't know. I think that”

if people were going to go that route, I would see more people. I do see pockets of it. I don't want to be all doom and gloom. There are people who are trying to, you know, spend less screen time do certainly for the kids. I see a lot of parents really trying to limit screen time for their children. And I highly support that kids need to get outside, touch graph, play in the mud and all of that. Yeah. I get really bad vibes with this AI push in the sense that it feels like

whoever is the best prompt jockey at asking it questions gets the best results, right? And it worries me that at some point there's going to be a priest class of people who are tasked with interacting with the machines. You can't interact with the machines. You're too dumb. But this guy can ask the proper questions to the AI and get the answers. It's that. Patrick, do you think we may be going down some weird path where the, it almost is like a religion of AI where you

have to have somebody who's designated to be the spokesperson to God? That was kind of the concept when St. Simon coined his famous phrase or "scientism" and what 19 or 18, 20 or so. He said

scientists are basically better than anybody in the world and they can predict the future and

he proposed a priesthood of scientists and engineers. It's exactly what he said. And this is,

“we saw this with Anthony Fauci when he was a charge to the COVID the buckle, right?”

So yes, you can see that type of a system forming, however, there's two sides of AI. One is the prompt side, the chatbot side where you personally use them for research or for whatever. I've used it. Courtney does as well for, you know, getting citations for research and whatever. And that's a great, great, great use. But let me tell you, all these data set centers around the country. These are not built for you to get served by AI. I guarantee you, there's another side of

AI that has nothing to do with that at all. That's the control side. The control side of AI takes all the data flows in the universe if they could. They're, they're dating on this point.

“But all of these data flows are designed to be the control mechanism to control the objects”

from what's that data was collected. And this is, this is a truism, by the way, about data. I said this, I say for your listeners, when when you collect data on some objects, maybe you're looking at your watch, where's watch, sure, or whatever, you look, you get some data from something. The only reason you get the data is to control it. You don't just write it down, it's for a lot of sticky notes, for a shorter way. No, you're using it to figure out what you can do about

something. Maybe you're fixing something. Well, this whole notion goes into the data that all these people are collecting. It's not just because they want to get more data, and just because they like to collect it. No, it's to analyze it and to figure out how to control the objects from what

it was collected in the first place. That means all of humanity at this point. That means that

all the cities, all of the smart cities, all the infrastructure in smart cities, all the digital twins that are being rected or modeled and silica. This is a control system as nothing to do with prompts. But as a control system, there will be no safe guards at that point, or guard rails, as they say, to what can be done to control every object in the universe if they get that far. This is terrifying. This is a really dark place for going, especially now, with the new version

of war and what that looks like. Drone warfare. You've got the guys at Androle building these missiles that come out of, you know, open up your 18 wheeler and pops out and you can launch missiles from

from a weird perspective of cameras zooming in and then the feed going away. How optimistic are

you for everything going forward, about with regard to the way the military has been reimagined, Patrick. This feels, in an interesting, how hostile, Secretary of War, Pete Higgseth has become with Anthropoc. This is Anthropoc, certainly they have as good an AI as anybody at this point. But because they bucked the Department of War to say, well, you're misusing our software,

“you realize, because we said in the first place, you should not use it to surveil the American”

public, nor should you use it for autonomous killing machines. That's all they ask.

And that was in their license agreement in the first place, but that's not good enough for

for Higgseth apparently. So, he wrote them out of the American history by classing them as almost a terrorist organization at this point. What? Then Sam Alman came up to give a speech, just after that, raised the same concerns. Oh, we don't open AI. We don't want to use that for surveilling Americans, though we don't want to do a killing machine. We don't want to do that either. He gets a pass. This whole narrative with a military at this point is just

gone off the rails. I don't know what they're doing in the Pentagon. I really don't. I don't probably care either, but something screwy going on here that I don't like the sounds of it all.

“And when you see this war that we're proceeding in with and around, you have to ask a question at”

this point, not about the particulars of the war. I don't think it was about the people in the country. I don't think it was about the students or the people who want freedom in their country. I don't think it's about the oil. I don't think it's about any other political thing, other than maybe a religion. But this is the shock. This is the shock that could put our whole country into the lockdown, if you will, of techocracy. People are already equating this, like the energy

crisis, similar to the 1970s, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. That's not my point. But you get the idea. It's something big is going on with this war. And I think in the end of it,

“the tech-to-class are licking their chops right now. They're preparing for the day when they will”

come out of hiding again. Oh, we have an answer for everything in the world. Whatever. We're going to have AI and it's going to take control of everything. And it's crazy. It's absolutely crazy stuff, just stunning. Yeah. Let's wrap up with... Yeah. Let's wrap up with some optimism, Courtney, since your, your, you see this is, you know, there's, I mean, I get it. We're up against it. This is an uphill battle. And they've got the, they've got the technological upper hand. But they are the

few, and we are the many. And that still matters for now. So what do we do? What do we do to push back against this? How, how do we make our voices heard in a, in a real way? Or maybe, how do we just prioritize our family and friends close to us? The people that we can reach to, to make sure that they don't go sprinting into this technology trap that's going to be advertised as a solution to all their problems. Oh, yes. Well, I do think that there is power, particularly locally. So absolutely,

with your friends, your family, as we said in the beginning, the first step is for people to know

there's a problem. You can't defeat a threat that you don't know exists. So, you know, share the information with people, given our book, you know, get the, get the word out. They, they know that there is a danger. And it's a very real danger. It's real. It's present. It's moving quickly. Not to scare people, but you can't do something about something you don't know this. So to make people aware of it, I think that really is the first step. I do think I don't have a whole lot of hope

have some sort of power at the federal or even state level, I encourage them to use it. You know,

I don't want to dissuade anybody who might have a voice that could be very effective, absolutely work within the system that we currently have. And if you feel you can move the needle

“please do. But I think that people can do so much in their area. And that does have a ripple effect.”

You know, so like I was talking before about things in the education system. As far as I can see, there is no reason a child needs to be training AI under fifth grade. I don't know that they ever need to, but really under fifth grade. It's like there is just no reason. So that is something you really can advocate for, whether being your school or your home schooling or, you know,

get together with the school board or the whole entire, you know, municipality and make that some sort

of a bill. I think that people can do very simple things like I know that all are a fiat system, but it's not traceable. You have autonomy when you pay somebody cash, nobody can trace that cash. They can do whatever they want with that cash. You don't even have to know what they do with it. There is a non-immunity in it. There's privacy in it. And also as a conversation starter,

“I, you know, that's how to tell me about him and his wife doing that at restaurants and, you know,”

tipping the weight stuff. And I think it's brilliant because it does raise awareness and in a way that is so seemingly innocuous. You know, this isn't like we're not starting a fight with people. It's just, hey, I'm going to give you a little gift and keep it for you. So I think there are, there are things, you know, I could go through so many, but really, I think people need to figure out what they're passionate about. We all have different gifts,

talents, and resources. In my opinion, we have different passions and we should let those be the guide because I don't think it's going to look the same for everybody, but everybody took some action then I think we could start to push back. And the other thing I will say, why is it that all sanctuaries owns have to be like chas trough? Couldn't there be a sanctuary zone that's like we're supporting the Bill of Rights. And we think that neurowrites and biometrics are an extension

of our personhood and you can all infringe, do not tread on me? Yeah, buddy, that when they set up

those autonomous zones, the first thing they do is they set up a border. And then the next thing

they do is check to make sure everybody is their IDs to make sure they are the people that are supposed to be in and out of there. So they, they contradict themselves right off the bat Patrick. Where is the best place for people to find your work over the years? I know that you've written many books and of course, technocracy news is fantastic. Where's the best place for people to find you and support your work? Technocracy.news.com, but new news and my books are all there and on Amazon,

all of our books are there, the court news book is in with me as well. And audiobooks are there and the kind of versions are there and the paperback version as well. And people outside the country they can buy the book and Amazon as much cheaper to do it that way for shipping if nothing else. And you know, that's up. All my information is available. It's not searchable by and large because you won't find me on Google. They buried me six pages deep. But let me just close by saying this,

the human race has been very resilient over the thousands of years. We've, as a people on this planet, we've gone through all kinds of trouble along the way. Wars, despots, good time, bad times,

“whatever. And I remember back to that scene in the Matrix movie where Neo is rallying the troops,”

if you will. And whatever their community was under the ground and the machines were attacking them at that point and he was giving them the, you know, the rawroth speech. The line that just sticks with me as he says, we've been fighting these machines for 100 years and just as he had the crescendo and we're still here. You know, so we're still here. That's the good news is that we're still here. And most of us will still be here. But we're going to be some, there's going to be some

speed bumps. We need to be aware of them. Maybe not, you know, obsessed about them. But we need to be aware of them and divert ourselves around. So it pays to be paying attention for sure with this, whether it's whether you just start paying attention last week or you've been paying attention for 100 years. It's been going on for a long time. Courtney, where's the best place for people to

it's Courtney. Show. So it's filming in a little bit differently. It's like Quentinay,

“which is COURTE and AY and. Show. And that'll have my sub-stack and then I'll have my podcast and”

links to the book and all of that. So the book is called The Final Betrayal How Technocracy Destroyed

America by Patrick Wood and Courtney Turner. Go get it now. Get it for somebody in your life who

“you think might benefit for it as well. That's a great place to do that. If you want to connect with me,”

macroaggressions.io is the website to do that. If you want to get news, go to activistpost.com.

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