2802: The State of the Hormone & Peptide Industry w/ Vita Bella Founder Phil Vella

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That's it. Joy the rest of the show. Phil, I'm glad you're here, dude. Yeah. I'm glad you're here.

Awesome. How you doing? I'm doing good, man. Good. You can tell people who you are, what you do.

We met you the first time we're at the peptide congress.

Yeah. That's what we're aiming to each other. Yeah. And we hit it off a little bit. So what do you do?

So I'm the CEO of Vita Bella Health. We're a 40 state health and wellness company, peptides, hormones, everything, where the disruptor in the industry. I've got a bunch of other businesses that I own, but by far, this is the sexiest and the funnest thing I've ever done in my life.

That's crazy for me to hear that because it reminds me a little bit of what it was like for medical marijuana days.

“I don't know if you remember when that hit, I was a part of that.”

And it's like every, every week, new legislation, different state laws. You got big forum of trying to lobby against you. And so it feels like it would be a shit storm to try and run. Yeah. So explain the excitement or the attitude that you have towards that.

Because it gave me a headache. I'll just say it straight as if I could do any other business again. It wouldn't be this business. Okay. Okay.

Let me be very clear. It wouldn't be this business. However, now that I've already done it, and I'm in it, and I've got all the licenses, the DEA's, the stupid amount of paperwork, all the red tape to get through and be successful. It's that hard to do it, so it's that easy to succeed once you've done it.

Oh, I see. It's so hard to penetrate and understand all of these laws. It really is. It's, and every day, you're right, the peptide laws change and all of a sudden you're like, yeah, you can't ship in chromophene just to the state of Colorado.

Yes. Now, it's this one. You're like, you can't advertise Viagra in South Carolina, but everything else is okay. And so that the laws change on a consistent basis, they're going to continue to change the pharmacopeia, everybody.

But the excitement comes from truly the tax messages that I get of people like, do you you don't understand? You don't understand? She said, yes. Do you don't understand?

I got a promotion. The energy, my kids, my parents, like the feedback that I get from patients, it's a dick. It is, I tell people this, it's, it's fucking narcissism. It is. It's fucking, it's narcissism.

I'm just like, I did that. I did that.

His life would have never been the same.

So like, he's on a trajectory, 300 pounds. All of a sudden, he's 210 shredded. No girl ever talked to him in his life. Now the guy's walking out, picking up girls, has an amazing business. I mean, I told the story the other day, this is one of our patients.

I was broke, couldn't afford his meds, nice to be like 500 grand a month. Wow. Kill in the game. You guys got a baby on the way, a fiance that it would have been impossible to get back in the day.

So you're obviously a serial entrepreneur, give me a little bit of a rundown of what

“you did kind of before and then what got you to dip into this space.”

I've always been in tech, you know, welcome home and San Jose.

I was the godfather of Cisco software division and play number one. No way. Really? Yes. Yeah, I went in zero dollars and when I first started the division and I left it

about 5.5 billion in 2019 today, the divisions doing about 22 billion. So that's where I first came up. I know everybody really well here. Chuck Robbins, who's the current CEO, he did my engagement. John Chambers, did my engagement and all the boys at Cisco.

I came up in tech and prior to that, I had tech companies, but I came in through tech to Cisco through a WebEx acquisition in 2007, crushed it at Cisco. 2019 became a full-time single dad and walked in, shook my computer and I'm like, I don't know what God has planned for me, but she's not going to grow up with a nanny. And that's what happened.

Wow. And then my daughter sat me down one day, her name's Mia Bella, my beautiful. And I said, what's the greatest job in the world? And she says, it's a doctor daddy and I was like, well, the hell with me going to medical school.

That's not good. She was, they saved lives and I'm like, that's great. We're not saving lives. And I don't know what you're going to tell you. But we went through and I thought to myself, I had double spinal fusion.

The doctor said 12 months to recover. I needed to be back in 90 days, growth hormone peptides, everything. He charged me crazy months of money, 22 grand, by the way, four months for the meds, found out it was 22 hundred. And I'm like, fuck off, there's no way.

And so I spent a lot of money putting that man out of business. So my daughter and me sat down one day and I was like, daddy wants to go have doctors work for him. And she goes, that's even cooler. You mean, they're like, we get to tell them who lives and who dies.

This is amazing. I'm like, I'm not exactly, but kind of, and she's like, let's do it. So Vita Bella means beautiful life.

“My beautiful, my daughter, our beautiful life is beautiful and my daughter's like, let's”

call Vita Bella. And so that's how we got into this particular space. But getting transitioning, when you're at Cisco doing so many different businesses, I had so many different businesses to see and look at. I got into restaurant industry.

I got into AI industries. I got into software marketing automation industries as investors, operators, then I realize that I want to operate and do that. But this industry, the reward is like psychotic. But what skills do you think that you picked up from the other businesses that are most

applicable to this one? Like what it, like obviously Cisco, you see all these different businesses, lots of them probably look very different. Tech is, you think is very different than peptide space. But obviously you picked up enough to go do very well at this.

What skills do you think apply the most that you picked up? What were they?

First thing is we built the company 100% mimicked off of an enterprise license agreement

in tech. OK, explain that. Yeah. So enterprise license agreements is like Microsoft, they sell you OCS 365. Yep.

So you get, you know, word, you get your Excel, you get no, you get everything that's included with OCS, email, all of it. So I thought to myself, how do I make like a SaaS instead of has health care as a service company? And that's what Vita Bella is.

It's a service, the membership driven company, very similar to like a software as a service company. You pay your monthly fee, you get access to your doctors, you get free injectable supplies, you get to treat all a category as hormones, all the way down to skincare. So we have everything that there's nothing excluded.

If it treats narcissism, confidence, self esteem or ego, we prescribe it. Literally what it is. All things. If you have any sickness whatsoever, please find another company.

“Will you the first to do that in this space, to disrupt it like that?”

Did anybody, was anybody else doing like a membership base like that? Home did a membership base, but it was like testosterone and like one other thing.

But to do everything, first of all, we're still the only company that does what we do.

Eight categories of treatment, no one even has skin care. Like you've got him's hair loss, you know, sexual wellness. They focus on one little, yeah, and so I'm like, by the way, it's not the smartest thing to do, let me be very clear for those of you thinking about this, going this broad is very hard because you're a jack of many trades instead of a master of one specifically.

It's a little easier, but give people choice, give people options. What's happened recently in this peptide space where the gray market, the research chemicals, they're like, they're selling out. They're trying to get out because something is coming along the pipelines that says, you guys can't do that anymore.

There has to be three prescription, what happened?

two humans, four human consumption. So on the bottles, it specifically says, not for human consumption. But we know who they're selling to, and literally says in the ads, the emails, the J Campbells, the peptide sciences, what's comes, you can see it all, it's black and white.

The problem is, there's thousands of CDC cases of people getting very bad side effects.

You're not under guidance, you have no medic, they're not looking at labs. You're looking at the catastrophic damage that's being done, the specific individuals that do not know what these things do because quite frankly, they're uneducated in the market. We've seen people come in that are using GHRHs and GHRPs with PSAs of 20. And those are growth hormone boobsting peptides when they have a high prostate enlargement

and stuff going on there. Which if you had a PSA of 20, it's like, we got a check if cancer. Correct. The last thing you would do is boost growth hormone if you have cancer. 100% okay.

I mean, so you're prescribing medications to people, and they're taking dosages that no one has any idea, no one has any idea what they're actually taking and what the correct dose is, we've seen, it's sick, it's sick and I'm like, and the guy goes, you know, I'm feeling like my stomach, like my stomach, I've got a six pack, but now it's grown because

your organs are growing, pal.

Your organs are growing. You've got cardio, my apathy. You're literally not under guidance, like how, and I said this on every podcast I've been on, how can you literally look directly in somebody's face or get on the phone and them and tell them what they should be doing when you haven't seen their labs.

You don't know their health history, and you know nothing about it. It's impossible. By the way, how do you feel good about yourself? You and I text each other every once in a while, and you were like, just wait till I show you some of the test results of the great mark.

So I've been waiting. I ask you. So would you guys do up there? You guys go and grab a bunch of labor markets that intestine, would you find? So we took a whole bunch of peptides.

And by the way, there's some good ones, not going to lie. There's some good ones. What I'm realizing is what I'm realizing is these companies are getting it from the same source. So if Reddit true tied test perfectly on one, it's going to test perfectly on most of

them. Okay. However, there are certain meds that people mislabel.

“So because they're getting them in, clear biles, so you have to label them.”

So now you don't have any QC quality control, meaning like your BPC157 could be KPV. Could be CJC. You don't know because they're just wrapping a label on site. But if they mix the box, what if they take that box and put it on another area? So four of the peptides that we tested, we don't even know what it is inside of them.

So it came back NK or NK not known. So it said something, you tested for that. We wouldn't even know what's inside of it. Yeah. And then the purity is all over the map, NAD of 23%, 78%, 91%, one of them, 120% of what it said

was supposed to be inside. It was like 120 milligrams per, and you're like, what in the, and so listen, the cost of quality peptides, the cost of real pharmaceutical license-inspected pharmacies that are prescribing that like VitaBella, they're not expensive. We make them expensive because of greedy, ego-tistical capitalist pig fucks.

That's just the like that.

So let's say, so because the, they're always saying, look, research, you know, research

chemical grade peptides, you save money because the stuff that comes out of the FDA approved labs, so expensive or pharmaceutical, too expensive, and you're saying, that's not true. It's not true. It's just marking them up like crazy. What's it really cost?

“What's it cost to get some Moreland directed the consumer?”

So I'll talk some prices here. Maybe I'll cost some Moreland for a bottle 7080 bucks direct from the pharmacy to me. To me, right? I'm going to be very, this is going to be the most transparent stuff. I don't know what these cameras are.

The most transparent conversation you're going to have today is let's say, cost me 70 bucks. 80 bucks, 90 bucks. I'll charge 190. Okay. 190 bucks.

I'm making money, but then you go to other companies, which I know of, they're in Scottsdale, who if I want to call them out so bad. So you got other companies that are charging $1,100 for some moreland, and then they're giving you, by the way. So the margin is 80 to 1100.

And by the way, I'm talking about a 15 milligram vial of some Moreland, not to 15. Yeah, I'm still in 15 milligrams, because they're not that expensive. And all those people that want to come, and they're like, all that you're still price go, you can make it money.

“How fucking expensive do you think it is to be successful in this industry?”

I've got medical insurance, malpractice insurance. I've got EMR systems, portals, shit tons of documents, DEA is licensing, medical licensing,

Each one of my providers, if I want to get them licensed in every single state, all in, thank God we're getting a little DEA help right now, because you only need one DEA right now. But when you need it all the DEA's, it's $888 per DEA per state for one single, doctor or one single nurse practitioner. So hold on.

So that's 880 times 50, 40 gram per person, per person. Right. That's what you used to be. 888. But then you look at all the medical licensing, 30 to 40 gram per practitioner, if they want

to be licensed, every state, that's just licensing.

“And how many patients would one practitioner be able to work with?”

You figure if they can, you know, maybe a thousand ish. So you try to grow your company, you're going to have to, I have a ton. I just hired another 20 due to the fund that I think will be talking about very shortly. All right, tell us. Let's get the cat out.

Let's go there for a second.

So what's going on? We worked. I've had so many of these conversations and everybody's been thanking us. So we worked with transcend for a little while. There were one of the larger providers of peptides at hormones and I'm not going to

go into details, but let's just say they owe us a lot of money and they owe everyone. They screwed. They did some bad stuff. So really bad stuff. Lots of complaints coming.

Lots of things. What happened? What's happening with the industry and what's this like? That's a big, that's a big vacuum. They were a big company, big vacuum.

“Transcent, I think, was one of the staples in the industry.”

They also were the largest overcharging company in the world.

I've never seen prices like what they charge.

They had sales, people that literally sold. We don't have even one sales person in my company. It doesn't exist. It's you and the doctor. If you and the doctor don't decide, I'm not pushing you much.

Period. So what happened was, is a couple of things. One, they screwed over their pharmacy, so they lost for five and some other things. So one, I'm millions of dollars and the second thing is they lost their, what's called the PC group owner for people who don't understand the doctors, right?

So Transcent is an MSO, which is a services organization. And then the medical group, the main doctor, one, a lawsuit against Transcent, to where Transcent couldn't contact patients anymore or do anything like that. And by the way, this is all public knowledge. It's all out on the way I'd be guys can look up the cases.

So Transcent essentially can't even fulfill pharmacy. They can't refund. They can't do anything.

They can't talk to people right now.

“So that's why they're ghosting everybody.”

That's why they're ghosting everybody. Correct. And so it is fucking Christmas every day for people like us in this industry is, is Transcent had so many patients, so many patients that didn't even know what they were paying by the way.

So I hired a number of the Transcent people, we got them down from Michigan down to Arizona. And we are onboarding a number of patients. By the way, my company is going 300% in the last few weeks. Wow. And so we just, and the patients are coming in and literally, this is, these are, I have so

many cool things. I'll give you guys some of this content. And so you guys can like post like these are like real text messages, we'll redact the names. And then like yes, so I'm paying $5,000 a quarter for my Tessa Moreland treatment.

One more time. Three months of Tessa Moreland is $5,000. Yeah. And these are, how much is it going to be with you guys? Because I don't want to, I want to keep the price in the same.

I was like, unfortunately, it's 900, we're not going to be able to get to the $5,000 mark. Yeah. And so, and by the way, I'm making money at 900. But why?

Why do you need to overcharge? Why do you do these things? Because it's crazy. But the big things with Transcend as I think they had, the best education group. I'm going to give it to them, like the customers that come to us and patience, they're

educated. You're welcome. They're sales people. Yeah. Well, it's because they've been listening to a podcast for two guys for forever.

It's been teaching them all about peptides for a long time, because they come in educated. So literally, I just get on the phone and they're like, yeah, I'll take BPC. I'll take Tessa Moreland. I'll take CJC. I want to do a try-blank, give me some different stuff, like, and it's such, and I'm like,

the average spend per patient is 220% up with new patients, and it's been the greatest thing that's ever happened to my company. And one, I couldn't be more thankful to all of you guys. I know they owe you guys money. I'm sure that we can figure out something for me to take over.

No, we're more, I think we're more, I was waiting for the last. Well, I have negotiations, by the way. Less about the money and the thing that I've had, I think I'm up to 13 or 14 calls for the companies of all been in bidding wars, and for me, it's a black eye for us. We built this not with the intent to sell peptides, supplements or anything else like that.

We're the business of training clients, helping them with nutrition, getting them in good

And yes, we have a large audience that loves all those things.

And so it made sense to look for a company to partner with. But man, we, they, all those people have been dumped on to our level. I mean, I've got a forum that's got 20,000 peptide users in it of our people, 20,000 that they just left out pain, that are just, that are furious at us. And they have no idea how much money they owe us and how screwed we got out of the deal.

It's like, I mean, I'd love to, to refund all your people. I'll go bankrupt refunding all of you guys on what they owe you. And so for me, it's like, I'm so hesitant and I also come from the medical marijuana space. So I did that for three years. And I know how difficult it is.

“A lot of patients don't know. They don't know the stress that you have to go through when”

legislation chains or now you can't do this. And it's like that delays sometimes. Perscriptions or so that and then people get, and they don't get mad at you guys, you get mad at us because we're the ones who introduced that. And so that's, it's been a massive headache for us. And I go back and forth on, do I even want to f with it because it's like, to risk another black eye on our company when that's

not what we do, although I recognize that there's a massive amount of people that it changes their lives. And I use hormone replacement therapy and have for 15 plus years and know what it's been for me. And so yeah, it's like this, it's an unfortunate challenge and position that we've been put in. And I'm not sure how we solve it yet. And so we've been really slow to decide on what we're going to do. Because there's not a lot of

things you should hurry up. This is not a night queue test. It's a very company. Very simple. No, I. There's so many bad actors in the space, which that's also reminds me of,

“and can you agree or not? I mean, I think that's a bad actor. It's a very kind of you.”

That actors is very kind. I think there's fucking pigs. They are. There's people that are more worried about money. That's the one thing that's cool. I don't give a shit about money. I work 20 dollar T-shirts and sweaters all day long. I made the money. I worked at Cisco. I did that. I did the the thing. And now it's like my legacy to give back. I think one of the cool things about Vita Bella. And I'm going to screw myself by saying this live on here because I know some

jag off Karen's going to ruin this for me. But since we've opened the company, since the founding of the company, we're a 100% 5 star. If you'd company, we'd have a single 4 star. Wow. Well, one period. Fact. And so another thing is, everybody is quick to onboard you. They want to just get your money. They want to sell you. They want to get you in front of a doctor. It's been like 5 10 minutes with you and get you what you want. Because that's with you on order. And we

force you to spend 45 minutes with a doc. Go through everything. Really understand everything about yourself. So that when you leave that phone call, you leave that conversation,

“that you're empowered. You truly understand what you're getting. And I think that's where we've”

lost medicine is. One, doctors have become so quick to prescribe shit medicine. And more importantly, how many times we ask that you don't even know why you're taking something. Yeah. So you don't. You just take as I take this pill once a day. Okay. And it'll make me feel but no, no mechanism, no what it does, no explanation, no education. Yeah. Right. They don't have this for the normal and your sick kind of group. Right. There's no three guys sitting there. Let me tell you about what, uh,

you know, that a Z-pack does. I think there's no one doing that. So it's, there's bad actors everywhere. I think that there are a lot of good people, though, too. It did. So I'll tell you the story on how we got to transcend how that happened. And then so we originally started, uh, with Dr. Ann and his team. Okay. And a lot of respect for the generative, yeah, regenerative. And they're a brick and mortar, though. They're a small brick and mortar. Yeah. And that was the experience we had.

Like the every patient saw a doctor and got to meet excellent problem was because they were a small brick and mortar operation. They couldn't handle our volume. So again, I was getting all these complaints of I can't get into appointment for 30 days. You know, it's like, and, and, but the

service was amazing. Anyone who did get in was just like, oh my God, their team was so great.

They walked me through everything, filled really like they weren't getting over sold. It was just amazing. And so we, the original problem we were trying to solve was not about the service side. It was now like, who can handle our volume? Yeah. And so I began hunting for okay, who could handle our size. And at that time, I didn't know anybody else besides transcend that could handle our sales volume. And so it was like, okay, let's do it. And it started off pretty good. We had a forum. We were,

we were making their doctor come in every single week and educate our audience that we were building and growing. And so the first year or so when they were making hay and everything was great, it was not so bad. But then it quickly went downhill. It quickly turned into a look like a greedy thing of just selling them, no follow up, no teaching them how to use it. No, it was just a mill,

their turning. And so we got in this predicament of like, we've had what amazing services like.

with a mom, Pa, who's going to hand hold every single person or they need to be at a size where

they can talk to that many patients. I think there's a blend where you can do both, right? And

“I don't even think, I don't think you need to have VIP programs or any of that shit. I think you”

want that. Go to Peter Tia. Go to one of those guys, right? Pay your 100 grand. You want that type of service, pay for it. But if you're looking for really good service, really good prices, there's good companies out there that do what I just think that they don't spend enough time actually caring about CS where coming from Cisco, we were paid on CSI, customer success index. And so we need to make sure that people are happy. And you guys, by the way, on any company you guys go to,

and that's how that's the true indication of success is our people happy. And because they're not going to leave you, by the way, no one leaves you really for price. And if they do let them go, yeah, right, they leave you for two things, results. Are they getting the results that they want? And when they call or email, do you pick up the phone? That's it. It's not hard to be successful. It's results and service. Are they getting their meds in a reasonable amount of time? We ship

when the minute you get off the phone or average ship time is 48 to 72 hours the front door. Wow, all 50 states? 40. 40 states. I can't do business in California. I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't do it. I can't do it. This is the worst. It is the most, it's like about laws. I'm out. I quit. Yeah. It's in my by laws. Someone's going to have to redo my entire operating screen. Do you do that? You don't service in California or they have to do natural service.

Stay of California. Okay. Yeah. I may turn it on. I've been very big ego of anti-ev, I have such bad experience with this state. And it's just a legal system. Yeah. Right. You know, you show up.

And I always say every day. It's not an IQ test. It's an IQ test in California. It is.

Well, it's a smart strategy on your part going back to if your metric is customer service. And you know, all the loopholes you have to go through in California and what a bitch it is. You're going to, and someone else might be going, that's crazy. That's so much volume you're losing. But it's like, yeah, but I'm going to have so many headaches and so many disgruntled patients that have no idea that it's not my fault. It's all this bullshit loopholes that I have to do. And so,

it's probably we had to get because we live in California. Obviously, they would ship our stuff to the mailbox, you know, Florida, that would then we would forward all the way over here. Yeah, and one illegal shift. But anyways, it's not that I, I don't want to do business. I don't want

“to do that. I don't want to suffer. I don't want patients to suffer. Why do you need to go?”

And then you have to set up that mailbox. You have to do all those additional loopholes. Why? There's so much damn business in this country. Let's someone else deal with that headache. And they can specialize in headaches. And the people who specialize in headaches make good money. So what are the other ones? So you go at 40. So there's, what are the other states besides California? There are why Alaska, New Jersey, Kansas. They have CPOMs where you need to have separate,

you know, California requires a whole separate operating agreement and whole separate company. Same thing with New Jersey, whole separate company, same thing with Kansas. So you have to settle whole other company over here. Just like it needs to be an entirely separate company. There's three states that require that. And then a couple of states that I'm just like the volume is not there. And it's probably the only one that you would consider maybe building operation over here just the fourth

largest economy in the world. It's a stupid of me to stay away from it. However, from an anxiety,

sleeping really good at night and feeling amazing. Like when I wake up in the morning,

we still don't have California. Amazing. I feel good about it. We run a business here. We know exactly. Yeah, so then the laws. I mean, it's crazy. So I love, by the way, I did business here for the better half of my life. And if I turned on California, me being Cisco royalty from back, I would have a triple. I probably 10x the company. But I'm not ready. I'm not ready to deal with laws yet. I'm not ready to deal with California yet. I will literally

open up a separate team. Your own an operate because I'm in a separate pharmacy. So you can ship to California. You're seeing a separate pharmacy. That's in California. You just there's a lot of

“little things that you need to do. And we've got it. I've got great guy. I was just on a podcast,”

Rick Nemie, shot off for God's economy. And he was, he's got a pharmacy here. And he's like, what do you want me to do? And I'm like, I'm not ready. But what I'm ready, I will absolutely, I'll absolutely turn it on. And so I think, and it's in discussion every day. Because it is, it's a big economy for us. But maybe in Q3 or Q4. So explain to me, because I vaguely know the model.

disruptors. How does it, how does the different tiers of memberships work and what comes with that? It's a great question. One damn tier of membership. Oh, that's it. One. 129 bucks. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. That can't cover skin. Watch. Just watch. I got you. Okay. Watch this here. We got 129 bucks a month. I'm right. Can't wait for this close. 129 bucks. I'm all going to give it to you straight. Ladies and gentlemen. So 129 bucks a month.

You only pay for your first doctor's visit, which is $99. 45 minute consult. 15 minutes.

They review your labs. 15 minutes. They go over health history and goals. Last 15 minutes. They build a custom protocol. Okay. If you have labs in the last six months, and they've got everything we need, we could use them. Oh, wow. If you don't have labs, 250. Get ready. No. We give you a full $1,100 quest diagnostics 34 biomarker panel for 89 bucks.

“Wow. If you want to upgrade to full comprehensive $189. That's getting you everything from”

your IGF one levels. D everything. Wow. So you get that with us. And then what do you get $129 a month? You get all of your ongoing quarterly doctors visits included. You get your choice. Included in the pack is run in 20 bucks of injectable testosterone seven eight up to max dose,

and clomefine up to max dose or B12 up to max dose weekly injections shipped automatic to your house.

So that comes with it for 129. You get your testosterone included 129. But here's where the clincher is. So you get the testosterone to get everything. By the way, we just did this. We just started and added in the meds recently. Prior to that, no meds included. What do you get? You get your doc visits and then you get access to our ward chest of medication. When you're on the phone with a docs at wholesale pricing. And you get the treat everything from

weight loss, hormone therapy, peptide therapy, skin care, anti-aging, injury and recovery, hair loss, you name it the plethora gambit of narcissism and self esteem. And your meds get shipped to your front door 48 72 hours, 24 hours that they six day a week clinical care team at all times. We're online. Sunday is that they had God. He rested and so do we. So okay. So okay. Let me

“just clear then. So 129 is a get takes care of like, which is takes care of me. That's what I need to take.”

Yeah. But let's say I decide that I want to I need BBC. I need something else. So then is it all a cart? Is that all out of cart? Not subscription. Okay. You get the pick. We've got a patient portal. You can go on and click refill. Click request meds. Very clean, very intuitive. Come from tech. It should be good. But yeah, you just go on and click what you want. We don't do BBC anymore. We moved over to PDA. Yeah. But yeah. I mean, there's it's very simple. It's just a precursor to that, right?

No. PDA is great. This is great for the pod. So PDA, we replace BBC. And we're got margin. Yeah. How's the back of our argument? No. It's the same thing. It's attached to different 50. Yeah. It's the same 15th year in amino acid, except originated. And it's an acetate. And all the studies have shown better absorption, better half life, better everything. And patients have loved it. Yeah. I've used a lot. Wow. That sounds so what's cool about that. Because one of the things about this

space is like what's going to happen in the future. Even though it's prescription peptides, the FDA and big pharma seem to be they don't like the compound pharmacies. They don't like the compound pharmacies because they want their brain name. They want to be able to control things. And this all, of course, with the popularity in my opinion, with the popularity of GLP ones, it's really pissed them off that, you know, you go buy a zampic to cost as much, but you can go back and get

some agulotide from a compound pharmacy for much less. But the way you've set up your company, it's very easy for you to sell this at some point, because you've got monthly reoccurring revenue.

“Is that space business? That's what I'm saying. So you've actually got an exit potentially,”

whereas a lot of these other companies, I'm like, how are you guys going to move? What are you going to show? I'm a business man. Okay. Absolutely. I'm a business man at heart. And it is absolutely built for you to show your EBITDA and for you to show your growth and for you to have predictable revenue. It also allows me to continue to offer our price points the way that we do is because I can predict revenue, which allows me to predict on the operating expenses and grow. So I do not

outgrow my membership just in basic topics. So I'll never have the problems that these other

companies, when you get slow seasons, when you're going to summer, people aren't ordering enough, then you're going into like, because you get seasons within this industry. You're just consistent. I'm a consistent industry, as far as the membership is concerned, and then we offer the meds at crazy prices. I mean, it for pharmaceutical FDA license and approved medications. There's nothing like the pricing. It doesn't exist. Wow. And what do you think about what I said about the

able to do compounded GLPs or do they take those off? Everything that's currently available is still

“available. Okay. I should say, let me move your phrase that. Everything that was available is”

still currently available. So it turns up a tie. It's a magnetized. Yeah. I don't know that. I thought Eli really shut that up. You're trying to drive. So this is great. We guys can put this up. You're put the, put the readout up is strife sued Eli Lilly, strife pharmacy out of Arizona, sued Eli Lilly, one. So pardon me, pause that. Eli Lilly Eli Lilly and, and the pharmaceutical companies sued strife, strive one. Now, strife is suing Eli Lilly and the other pharmaceutical companies. They're

going on the offense now. Whoa. Yeah. This is huge news. By the way, for our industry. What, this is massive. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a big news for our industry. They are actively suing Big Farmer for trying to mitigate the industry and trying to come down on compounding pharmacies. Because there is a need. There is a need for certain meds to be compounded. If you have the right prescription and you have the right use cases, in particular GLP ones in my opinion. Well, what we have found with GLP ones is

most of these patients dosing are dosing is way too high. Yeah. You get almost every single we did a thing last year where and it was just for us for educational purposes. We took on 50 GLP one clients that the three of us met with them weekly and coached them through their their weight loss journey. Almost every single one of them their dosing was off too high. Too high. I can't do. Yeah. Too high just. You wonder whether it becomes getting fed. Right. And it's like,

these people can't hit protein and take in the lift weights like on this. It's crazy. But they're getting these already pre-loaded. This is your dose or a doctor starting them off of this super dose. So yeah, it's interesting that there's that that Eli Lilly and then we even have a case because there's so many patients that we have seen that absolutely shouldn't even be at that dose. And by the way, the political climate, because you know, because I follow the space, you know,

it's one second. It looks good. This way. It looks that way. But the political climate seems

favorable for you guys with RFK because he's pro compound pharmacy CRK all the time. You do. I do. He works out of my gym in Arizona. Really? Yeah. So he's pro like compound pharmacy. He's pro compound pharmacy. He's pro mushroom. He's pro. I can tell you, I bet you mushrooms get legal approval before any peptide or anything else. I think that's number one. Yeah, sorry RFK. Yeah, I think he's on that with PTSD and all that stuff. I will go back to your GOP one statement.

I think it should be illegal to prescribe GOP ones by themselves. I'm going to say what I said for everybody. It should be illegal to prescribe GOP ones by themselves. Because one of your dosing, so you're going to go catabolic. No matter what you do, you're going to go catabolic

“period. You guys know that is you're going to go catabolic. You have to put some sort of GHRH and”

IGF something else to pair it. You have to. So you're putting some kind of an anabolic like peptide in combination. You have to. If you're a man to stash from. If you're deficient, if you're younger and chromophene. If and you have to give them. So how many people like all these companies, they just prescribe the GOP one? There's no nutrition, no like eat one gram and program protein. There's no durian. There's no workout regimen. There's no what the fuck do you think is going to happen

to you when you're not eating food. You're not lifting weight and you're not getting your protein.

Now you're in here's what happens is then you guys know this is then they become skinny fat

or they lose their muscle. So when they get you could never get off your GOP because you if you did. You're getting fat better than you were then before you started because you're your guys. This is gone. People people are going on and getting osteopenia because of the calories. We work with the group that we work with. So I'm telling this is 100%. There was one woman. There was

“more than one but I remember this one woman who lost 80 pounds on a GOP one super low calories.”

She had 50 more pounds to go. She was eating under a thousand calories a day and couldn't lose any more weight. Her body had her metabolism and that's it plateau. Flat life. And she's like, what do I do? Do I up high dose? I'm like no. We're going to go down to 500 calories. So we had to reverse diet her which was very hard on the GLP one and we tried to talk to her about working with getting on a compounded one so she could adjust the dosage because she plateaued. You're

also seeing that. You're seeing people lose a bunch of weight and plateau because they lose so much muscle and metabolism goes in the tank. Losing their hair like you got a strength train. You can't eat too little and I love what you said about combining it because you know that by the way, the pharma industry agrees with you. So everybody listening right now fills not like making some crazy statement. Right now the pharma industry is investing massive R&D in my all statin inhibiting

has it's clinical too. Yeah, they know this. So what you just said isn't like like you know just invented like they know they're just not talking about it right now because they don't have their special drug yet ready to sell with the GLP one but they know this is a problem. So I agree with you 100%. I fucking obsess on this industry every single day. I wake up my first two three hours of the day is reading. I just dive in and read and read and the GLP one problem is massive.

The biggest thing no one's talking about is they stick to their titration schedule. Everyone's sticks to their I'm gonna go here. I'm gonna go for if you are continuously losing fucking weight why are you going up in your dose? Yeah. If you're meeting your weight loss. Why are you because

your doctor said that's another thing is medicine's 50% art 50% science. I just launched an amazing

amazing comparison on this. I have identical twins that means the exact same fucking DNA. They live together. They both play pickleball. They do the exact same thing. They're in the exact same consulting line of work. The identical medication dose for both. You would assume same DNA same lifestyle. It would work. Completely different. Wow results. Wow. So if two identical twins get completely different results what the fuck is it gonna be for you and me? Right. Like and so

medicine's 50% art 50% science. It's something to work amazing for you and different for yourself and the reason why is is because all of our bodies are different. They react differently and so it's even when we prescribe and I'm like it should work. Can you guarantee it works? No.

“But that's why we stick with you and that's why any provider they should meet with you on the”

quarterly basis. You have to have check-ins. So what you're gonna just maybe this doesn't work. Maybe you get a better reaction here. Maybe at this dose it's better for you. I don't know. The same thing with testosterone. We have guys that are like at 160 not going well. They go to like 120-100 not that I would ever personally go down but yeah. They get better results and he's like no I feel my libido is better. I'm like you're libido. It could be no you're right. But you're 100%.

No you're 100%. With testosterone even it's incredible. The difference. I have a buddy

fitness guy. Yeah. Works out and he wanted to try what was considered a somewhat of a micro dose of terzepotite. So it wasn't the full dose at all. Wanted a micro dose it. Vomited. Vomited for days. That's how sensitive he was. Whereas other people you would give that to reaction. Yeah. That's what you have been having to meet too. Yeah. On a micro dose and not sit well. No. Whereas other people will take a full dose and then maybe I need more or whatever. There's a radical difference in variants

with the GOP ones. Radical. Radical. My wife and five microdoser were talking about five units. Five units on something where the normal full dose was in 150 units. That's right. And five units for her sometimes we gotta go down to two because she'll get a little bit of indigestion and nausea. Can barely see that on the needle. You're right. Yes. Very sensitive. Whereas other people take more. So what you're saying is 100% correct. It's it's shame. Honestly. And

you know the bad actors where you talk about like customer service. I'm more. I'm more concerned

“with bad actors that are giving bad guidance. Yeah. Because that's what who gives a shit about”

our industry and making money. I care about hurting people. Like that's ideally what these individuals are doing during this cash grab. That's currently going on right. You got influencers like you give two bucks about you. They could give two bucks about you. All they want to do is click bait you and let you run is the bill as high as possible with their fucking user. You know what a lot of people are getting their education from on peptides are these fitness freaks who take

crazy amounts of test steroids. And I think those are not the people you want to get advice from

on peptides. They're taking grams of gear. How can you? You guys have had so many amazing people

on this show. This is going to be fucking horrible for me talking shit about them. How can the guys that come on here that are on nine other things? Be like this is the one. This is the one thing that changed though my whole like when I took that everything it's not the combination of the other nine things plus this one thing together that had the synergistic if you're going to narrow it

“down that that's why I look at like Johnson and he's like yeah wrap a myus and you know I took it”

out. Dude you're on 200. Oh you're so much that guy that says you want to live. You're on 200. Listen I'm good at math. I'm good at math pal. There's no way in my right myus. Again we narrowed it down to that one. You narrowed it down. Yeah. Out of 200 medications to one. What do you think about the future of your industry? Is it because of the bad actors? You don't remind me of the supplement industry does this to themselves all the time where you'll get some third party

supplements they always come back the same. E at a 10 of them didn't have what they said or had

other stuff and I always I'm always like you guys are going to you're going to make yourself get regulated you know it pisses me off. We are regulated by the way. You are but research aid but we are. Yes you are regulated because you could you with these bad actors could you see how they could bring up bring about the other regulation that makes it like no more compounding

“no more. I think there's no way. So what I personally think there's no way our industry gets”

destroyed and the reason why is there'll be a revolution like we've never seen before. There's too many people tell us. It's the first time ever that people have control of their health. Yeah. Think about this. It's the first time ever that people have preventative control of their health to wear you know PDABPC it's like actually going in and seeing if it can happen naturally instead of forcing surgery. It's the first time that you can gain muscle and you can you know

you know TV4 TV1. There's so many different things that help out with immunity and for you to come in and take that away. I think it won't get more regulated. I think big farmers going to get more aggressive in creating their own lines. Oh I see. Because you know why they're missing out on the revenue. Yeah. And they'll find a way to make this truly. I think they're going not only find their own lines. They're going to find a way to make this insurable. By the way

“for people listening right now just because I remember I asked this question asked Dr. Seed's”

this question which he's I love him and he really explained it well. The difference between it drug and a peptide is a peptide your body already produces your body knows what to do with it. It recognizes it a pharmaceutical drug is basically shoe-horning a chemical to attach to receptors and your body doesn't recognize it and we hope it does this and that all the stuff. When you take BPC or TB, you know your body makes it early. So what you're doing? Do some of them but yes,

some of them yes. So there's 7,000 peptides in the human body. 7,000. Peptides are nothing more than short chains for me. You know I asked it's less than 50. More than 50. It's called the protein. Okay. Very simply. The great part about peptides is imagine you look at a US map all the highways go somewhere. You want to go to L.A. Take this highway. You want to go through Arizona. You take the 10. Take the 17. Peptides are nothing more than messengers for the body. It tells

you like like shooting a tax message. Click click here. Slow down my digestion. Click click. Stay shapey. Click click. Send a tax message to the pituitary gland. Release growth hormone. They're natural to the body. A lot of them are natural, right? To the body. But peptides because you're

getting synthetic peptides a lot of times. But BPC know that BPC is amazing. By the shot out to

everybody that's taken BPC and take a PDA. There's 7,000 peptides. It's the only one you can't replicate. That 15 chain of me know. There's so many GHRHs. There's so many different ones. It's

“the only one. That's why PDA got for bid. Like we get that taken away from us. We're going to be”

a big trouble. But there's so many amazing peptides that can do amazing things. But they're just messengers. And people are afraid. It's cool to talk. But let go peptides are still new. Is it? What's the first peptide? Insulin? Yeah. Saved what? Millions if not tens, hundreds of millions of lives. It's 100 years ago. 100 years ago. We brought insulin to market. But like peptides are still new. You have to be careful. You know all we need to be careful of is taking chemicals

and putting chemicals in our body that we have no absolute no idea what it's going to happen. Like giving yourself something that your body has and more of it. That's that's considered amazing. Well what worries me because I remember when this happened, maybe it's different now. Maybe what you're saying is I agree with you. So it might be different. I remember in, remember 2020, remember the craziness that happened there. I remember during the COVID time, there was data showing that

thymus and alpha might actually help with COVID. And suddenly you couldn't get thymus and alpha.

They made it. You could not sell it. So there's always a part of me that's a little bit like,

oh man, you know, when there's enough money, they'll find a way. But you're saying the opposite. There's so much money in the way it is now. They're going to try and figure out how to get into the business. Yeah, you're, there's an inflection point. This is great. There's an inflection point. This is the codec blockbuster inflection point. Is the world's changing? Yeah. The world is changing right now and those who get behind it will flourish. Now they're going to figure out dosing mechanisms because

like Osampig and these these peptides, they're patting the dosing. They're patting the route of injection. They're patting certain things that make it easier and that they can actually maintain a patman so that they can make money. They're going to innovate at a speed that they never have before in this market. They're going to make compounds with pHs that actually combined and

using. They're going to find a way to do this fast. Like MK and all these, it's amazing that

when MK went on the schedule to or the category two, which was. What's the same case? 677 and beautiful. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that one's schedule. Yeah. Just that way. You can get that. Just wait. Okay.

“But yeah, Mark, I believe it's Mark. Don't call me. All the sudden came out with the,”

yeah, no problem. We can move forward to clinical. We can move forward to phase two a week later, not like you didn't even mask it. It went on the category two and then all the sudden, yeah, don't worry about it. Everything was good. No problem. So in one hand, it's dangerous for you. And we don't have enough studies. But in the other hand, there were no problems with the study. Let's proceed to the advanced clinical phase. I think about

that. By the way, that was some strong stuff. And that might have taken that. I would just get strong on that stuff. How did, uh, who was it that you said, sued Eli, strive pharmacy? Okay. So how are they able to do that? Is it, because I know like with certain compounds you can't patent because they're naturally occurring with the look? How are they doing that? It's like a counter suit because they lost revenue when Lily tried to suit. How are they counter suit that they're doing

“right now has to do with. And again, I'm not pulling up the study, sir. But there's, I believe”

it has something to do with the oppression that they're pushing down on compounding pharmacies and trying to make it hard to do business. Right. You're hurting my business. So they're like, that's the point. They tried it that Lily's tried to sue first lost. And then that's them coming back and being like, now we're getting you for the last revenue for targeting our name and how do they win the lawsuit in the first place? Is it that you can't patent peptides because they're naturally. It's not,

it's not that they can patent. They said that they, they couldn't prescribe like trisapatite and some of the time they forgot what the mad was, but they couldn't prescribe one of them. And and they went to court and they said, you can't stop them. And I believe that you got to look at the quote, the please got to put the quote up on this damn video. What are you guys doing? The judge says, thank God for compounding pharmacies. Oh wow. It was, it was like, it was one of the

most amazing. Wow. That was gorgeous. Yeah. It was one of the most amazing quotes that I've seen out

there. But yeah, it, it definitely was something to, um, well, to your point that we've reached this point where I, we can't put the tooth paste back in the tube. Sure. Because we, for the first time in decades, we've actually slowed down the rate of obesity. We're actually reversing. Oh yeah. I mean, that's, we've been on the rise for, well, this is the first year. 50 plus years. This is the first time in medical intervention. Actually, for obesity, it used properly. All right. Especially if you

work with a trainer and protein right dosing. It's the first time in medical intervention. It's actually you make a big deal for the debt without also killing it. Almost, it's borderline guaranteeed. You can't, you can't stop it from working. Have you guys, have you seen that snack food companies are reporting losses? Airlines are going to start cutting prices because the people that is heavy. They're talking about the law. You haven't seen, uh, you see the big shift. I told, I've been talking

about the show. Uh, yeah, because we know how important protein is you're seeing fast food restaurants with all new high protein and menu and they're pushing that because they know that everybody's going to be on a GOP one. You, you have her she's in a couple of these companies that have hired doctors, functional medicine doctors to lead them into the, into the next phase. I know some of them

that have just been hired getting paid half a million million dollars a year to lead them into the

“next phase. I think the scary part, and, and, uh, you know, this is really the scary part for me,”

is this is going to end up bankrupting the country. And I'm going to walk you through this, is OZEMPIC ensures appetizer is going to end up bankrupting the United States. That's a crazy statement. How is because the biggest issue we have with our funding right now is social security. People are going to live longer than they ever have in their life. They are is because you're managing their glucose, you're managing their sugar in slim resistance. People are going to

fundamentally live way longer than they ever have. Heart disease going down. Diabetes going down. Everything will be related and blood sugar related and what's going to happen when all the sudden the social security built. Click, click, click, click, click, you're not, we're already on the verge. Right? We're, yeah, 40 billion. I mean, it's going to bankrupt the country. I'm just saying you know in this line. Unless they're going to figure that out. They're going to have to. Yeah.

You also have entire industries that are losing money because they are there to treat all of the nasty side effects of obesity and poor health, all the medications. And then

purchase and make sizes. And so, we're already seeing this being reported. And we only have, I think

last time we look, how many what percentage Americans run at you pale like 20%. That's going to go up to probably three quarters. Well, where are they right now to the oral options because I know that for sure is going to like, that's the last sort of barrier I see with, you know, they've got them. Yeah. We've got oral options. I mean, there's oral options available. The downside is our

“stomachs are so damn acidic. Like it breaks it down. So you've got to take, I believe it's like a”

two point, Dr. Dan is, is our main guy on this. I think it's like a 2.8% bioavailability on the field. So you've got to take like 30 times the dose to get the absorption. It works. But it doesn't work as well when you get reported when people report back or they people have reported back. I'm

not the keen on this one, but people have reported back good. I just think that the, there's nothing

like injectable anything. Yeah. Like our stomachs are the Nate, they're like, I use knees like use, you know, the trokeies at listen. There's nothing better than injectable. The bioavailability is just so high. And, and so yeah, I mean, I, I think that it's going to, it's going to be a big, it's going to be the game. But we don't need to talk about the real side effects of these products. We talk about side effects all the times the GOP ones. And like all of the blindness to this,

what about like a visceration of heart disease, diabetes, cancers? I mean, well, the whole of this,

“the other stuff you mentioned is so low, even in the data, so low, the risk of these things is surrounding”

air. And I'm not taking it away. You're right. The biggest risk is you, if you don't, if you just do it and don't monitor protein and strain, you lose a bunch of muscle. That's the risk. 100%. That's the big risk that everybody's going to run into unless you, and most of these people that are taken it, they don't have any disciplines, so they need trainers. We tell them all the time, we launched an app to like give them training, but I'm still like, please, God, get a trainer, like do something.

You need an account of bill of buddy. So what you need, like everybody needs an account of bill. I need an account of bill of buddy on the basic daily shift that I do, like, philgi get that meaning shit. I miss the meeting. But you need someone to help you, you know, along your pathway. It's not just having a person there to tell you what to do. It's just holding you accountable for doing what you said you were going to do. You obviously got fat and weren't in shape and

all those other stuff. Now you have a cheat code. It is. I was on pick and tears up with all of these are all cheat. They're cheat code guaranteed insurance policy. But if you get a trainer on top of it, that's a trainer should give a good amount of nutritional data to you, right? We've had a lot of success. We've had some great success so far, Phil, with people who've worked with our coaches who've been on a GLP-1 who were able to come off the GLP-1 with it, you know, scaled

down kind of process, developed new behaviors, new disciplines, new ways to approach when the hunger comes back. Dr. Seeds communicated this really well too. All the neural pathways that you had developed around certain behaviors. They start to weaken after you're on a GLP-1 for six months or a year because you're not strengthening on. We've had good success when people

“come off. And then the ones that are like, oh, I think I need to go back on. They go on a little bit”

and they come back off. Which I think is great because they think the concept of having to stay on something forever. I think that turns off a lot of people. But I think we do it right. This is

the best tool ever ever seen as trainer ever. Never seen a tool as effective as the, if I had this

15 years ago, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. It's good. So you guys are, are you guys, are you in another company? So the only one is kind of doing monthly. You know, there's a few that have come out over the time period from an end to end holistic, from an end to end, like literally, from front to back anything to do with health, anything to do with your body or look how you feel, how you show up every day. We're the

only one that offers, offers it end to end. There's a couple that come out and they offer a number of different products. But the good part is, is great. But then you still have to pick crazy money. So not only do an membership, and I still charge in stupid money for mad. The reason why we that our membership is just to control topics. Right. And I lose money on the business. Like people don't get this. They feel like you're printing cash. No, because I don't give a shit. I didn't build

this business for money. I built it for a legacy. I built it to change people's lives. That's the difference is you've got people that are trying to make it, make their money, make all this return of investment. I don't give a shit. There's nothing I want to buy. There's nothing I want to invest in. There's no north star of a dollar figure. I'm like if I just had this much money. I have enough money for me to be happy. And so now it's my time to give people the opportunity to literally

unlock the best version of themselves. But in, and so we are, we are. The membership pieces were the best of the membership. There's probably by now 10, 15 different companies of the bigs home. It's

memberships. Yeah. Just GLP one membership or just testosterone. When you got Peter M. D. You

got all these other who they just suffer on quality of care. Maybe one day we do suffer on quality of care. And guess what? I will slam the pause button on the company because I can. Nobody can do that. Like, that's the difference. No one's willing. No one can lose money. No one can lose money. And so I shared a clip with these guys that I was actually really surprised to hear this. I think it was 60 minutes with Peter Tia. And she did like a rapid fire thing with them. And she

asked most overrated. Yeah, most overrated thing in the fitness space right now. And he said that was tight. And he rounded about it though. Did you saw on the rest of the clip? So what? No. So what else? He talked. He specifically. Because I saw the same thing. The rest of the clip. I'm going to give a shot out the Peter. He said because it's research. You don't know where

“they're coming from because you need to get them from. So there's a manipulate clip. You need to”

get that. You need to get that. It's a manipulate clip. Yeah, it's a manipulation. Yeah, it's a manipulation. I was so surprised. I shared with this guy because I was like, you know, a lot of what Peter Tia says aligns with a lot of things that we talk about. And I was like, wow, I'm really surprised. He's a hundred percent in my own peptides. He's a hundred of he says peptides. And then he goes specifically research peptides. And then he goes through to goes, you don't know where they're

coming from. They're not from a lab. They're not from here. They're not QC. So people manipulated that I posted it on our own wall. And people didn't finish watching. And they're like, what the fuck? Why am I taking it? I immediately took a dog. So I'm like, shit, this is going to cause me out in nightmare. Because people didn't want to watch. They're like peptides. And then they just ended it and immediately sent us a support email. Oh, wow. And they're like, how dare

you do that and put Peter and say, and I'm like, oh, God, these people don't want to watch the whole clip. Like, there's there's 60 seconds up. You watched eight. Yeah. Well, people have been chopping it like that. It's chop to just him saying that. I mean, if you later. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he's, by the way, I love the guy. I think he's great. He's a wealth and knowledge. I just hate how he flip flops. But that's also a good thing. He's one of the only doctors

that come out. He'll say, I changed my mind. Strong on one product. And when he gets enough

“research, he'll change the time. I appreciate the level of respect that you have to have for”

somebody like that as hard because they, he goes hard. Yeah. When he believes in something, he goes hard. Yeah. I feel like we're like that. Yeah. I mean, we're, I mean, we're, I lanes like that, lanes done that. Yeah. I think we, we, we will be staunch about something

until the research comes out. We're privileged, but we, we, the first ones we made it, though,

when it had, when it does. I mean, we were that way on EA, it's remember how we were on EA. We talked a lot of shit about it for a very long time. And then, uh, was blown away by some of the research and studies and said, okay, it makes sense for this person in this situation. I can get it. What do you guys think about, like, some of these new drugs that are coming, I say new, new, or, right, the Somoralance, that Somoralance, all that's better on for a while,

but Slope and Matt C, and all these other products that people are coming out with, which by the way, I just jumped on them right now. So, before I get to see you. Sounds taking them all. Sounds taking them all. I have my opinion. Like, the BPC and, um, what's the replacement of that right now, PDA? Yeah, PDA.

“I think, the between those and GLP1, everything else, I think comparison in my opinion. Yeah.”

And I've tried a lot, I've tried a lot of them, uh, but I've been injured a lot of times, played sports and stuff like that, and I've know what it's like to recover from an injury without BPC and then with it, it is, it's literally 50% of the recover time. I, like, half. So, if you're something that, whatever injury you have, it should take 16 weeks, where, half of it to recover time, that's, that's miraculous to me. I throw in that. So, we throw in a,

I throw in an Angeloan all the time. Yeah. We do this. Yeah. Angeloan is a fantastic driver. And I would say, the time is in beta with that right also. So, the time is in Jacob. So, yeah. Yeah, it's a five hundred percent increase in college. And it's the only one that has that type of and low doses. Yeah. It's good. You've still got a problem though. Yeah, we know how good all that stuff works. That's, yeah. But as far as the OG, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We don't have good all that stuff. We're all right to the OG network.

But from the peptide space, I've been most impressed with those. Those are the ones that I think. I mean, we've tried a lot. Matt C. C. Max tried the, and he's messed with everything. I think, I think Slube's interesting. I've seen the reviews and some people rave about it. I tried Slube. I don't say who recommended it to me or the dose they recommended. Let's just say it's a buddy

mind that gets a little overzealous. Any, any, I always take in a such a crazy, I don't know,

it's a crazy dose, but he's like, no, I don't try this. You'll love it. Couldn't sleep. I felt terrible. It was like too much. So, I haven't touched the sense. Matt C, amazing. I felt so good. And some people take it. They don't know anything this. Yeah. I just, I just had our docs build a protocol. I might see. And I'm like, I guys, you know, build a protocol. I might see it. They come back to me and like, three hours fully done. I'm like, really? And he goes, so there was more research

that we found on MOTC, then some of the stuff that we've had around for February goes,

We got a built. And I'm like, there's no way. And he goes, this is amazing. It's one of my favorites.

“It's one of my favorites. Yeah, you've. Yeah, I took it and I just had this incredible”

difference in energy and well being, and I just then had a good experience from it. It's good energy. You take glutathione, glutathione, I'll use occasionally. You know, when I use a glutathione, I'll use injectable glutathione if I drink. Yeah. Then I'll use it or if I'm getting sick. Yeah. Then I'll use the same. My wife has a really bad reaction from alcohol. If she drinks, sometimes she'll wake up in the middle light, sweat won't feel good. If I give her glutathione,

then she doesn't happen to her. So that's that's the other one. Good at that. On an AD or solid, especially for situations like that. And come. Yeah. I'm. So an AD. We've got a little under a hundred meds and an AD represents almost 40 percent. So much people like your company's revenue. Wow. Really? I told how much. I told these guys, we've done it. We've done every, we've done everything from the patch, the IV, all the stuff, look, liposome or whatever.

And I went through something I shared on the show a couple of months back where I came off of cratum and a cratum addiction came off of it. Had some of the worst opiate withdrawals ever had my life. And went and got an AD drip. And it was like crazy. What a difference I felt like.

“And that was what sold me. Like I'd already mess with it enough. I was like, oh, I think I”

feel a little bit better. Take your crash your body and your health really, really bad. And then take it and you can feel a night and day difference. That was enough for me to be sold on like, okay, this is this is definitely working, especially in a situation like that. So I'm sold on an AD, I used glutathione. So there's a lot of them out there. I think there's a lot though that like I didn't I didn't feel much from Tessa Morlin. I put them on felt the appetite increase and I felt my sleep.

So I did like that. So I felt the I felt buying the BPC and the Thymison Beta or TB 500. And that's

like amazing. Oh yeah. That's I mean, you get performance enhancement effects from the Ilyseidoo

and the gym. So that's your recovery. Yes. That's the main thing. I think all the GHRPs have been fantastic. I got to think you got to get the right dose, right? Some more lentas some more and then put Morlin. CGC and Bumerall and I think probably the best one because now you think 100 synergistic. Part of me feels like I'm jaded because I've taken regular human growth growth. Yeah, real growth for a long time. So and so if you compare to that, I just I feel like it's hard to mean

you're talking about a scooter and a crotch rocket. Okay. Yeah. So that's probably why I I feel that way. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing like that. I think that but I also think that like there's little things that you can do like with certain peptides even with testosterone basic stuff like people that aren't sippinate, sippinate their whole their whole life and I was like if you tried try blinded, you've done like propinate an antennae and sippinate together and they're like what's

that and you're like it'll it's really good on the days you inject and like just doing different

“things. I mean that's what we've been playing with. Oh, so you guys still you guys will sell those.”

Oh yeah, we have every we have every want to watch and we've got them separated. We've got them connected. We've got them together. A lot of people don't know this either. The Esther will actually lower the amount of testosterone that's available. So like testosterone perpineate at 100 milligrams is more than 100 milligrams of inanimate because some of it's locked up and what's crazier is you've got these clinics that are doing one injection a week. I think that's crazier. Like what's

right? And then they're like, yeah, my ass. Listen, first of all, minimum twice week, minimum. I don't care anybody but I've got enough labs because there's a lot of people that are smart. They've got a lot of knowledge, a lot of studying. I've got a applied knowledge. It's completely different. I get to see the labs on a daily basis. I get the watch humans. Like a Monday, Thursday is absolutely fantastic, right? Just because you get out you get a more of a baseline and then you do

three different ester and then so now you get a really cool little map on that and I'm lucky enough I get to take my labs on a daily basis if I wanted to or weekly basis. And so then you've got other cool things that we've also introduced as we now mix the understrolls in with the testosterone oil because I got tired of the men, men are dumb. We're just stupid. We're ego. We're forget, you get your testosterone shut. You're gone. Really get it. I forgot. Wow, I forgot what happened.

So you're putting it in the testosterone. Yeah. So we mix it with the new oils. We put the Roman dioxide inside of the oil. Oh, interesting. Well, that's kind of small. That way you don't forget it. And so I got tired of the support emails and calls and like, hey, you know, my nipple shirt or the, and I'm like, listen, did you? He's like, oh, I forgot. So now we just removed. Interesting. All of that. You put 0.25 or 0.5 in with the oils that we when they get their shot. That's

more. It automatically gets the body. And then I ran a ton of studies recently on exangeloan because we got everybody just hits us up every day for this. Yeah. It's out of order. Yeah. Anavar. And so like

the guys, like, I want 50 million. I was like, you realize if you took like 10 in the morning,

10 at night, that would crush 50 in the morning. Wow. And so when you watch it on the graph and you see the levels and see it, it's been like, this is the little tiny things that we do that is different from some of these other companies. Same thing with our injury recovery protocols, adding the angel on a BPC. Like, these are great products. But when you pair them and you stack

You know, I've, I've been getting my testosterone through a clinic for like I said over a decade now,

“and I've had now three, four different doctors that have done it. And they all were on the one shot”

a week thing for me. And I also, I don't know what the term is, but like my body, like so I would spike really hard. By day seven, I was like below what I have the, oh yeah, I was 200 is something. And so then they moved it to like a little bit higher dose, still same problem. Then they went to day six, still still problem day. So it ended up being like every four to five days is what I need

to keep that from that huge crash. And so the natural pulse that I'll release of the body is every

three, three and a half days. That's the natural pulse that I'll release of the body. And so if you can stick close to that, you'll keep a lot better. And then you won't get the big estrogen spike. So people

“are going to sub cue or doing testosterone sub cue. I've heard a lot about this. My brain can't get around”

this. I just want to play a little bit of the oil for three and a half hours sitting there like watch watching this going. I'm just like just sitting there and I feel like a jeopardy song needs

to come on. I want to ask you nine rapid fire questions. You're just going to give me the best

peptide for each of them. Say it again. You give me the best peptides or whatever for each of the things that I've got. I'll give you your best. It's not a conversation just boom. All right. You're ready. You got healing. BPCPDA. All right. Joint pain and inflammation. Probably same adding glutathione. All right. Fat loss. Trus appetite. Muscle recovery. Muscle

“strength recovery. Muscle recovery. I'll probably go CJC and Pomerallin for best effects.”

Sleep quality. Sleep discipline. Anxiety and stress. A good woman. You guys sell those to skin hair anti aging skin hair and anti aging. GHKC you you guys could do the glow stacks, but GHKC was great for skin hair. All right, libido. You got PT 141 and we also brought a new drug to market which we'll talk. I want to definitely get that, but blood pump. Okay. Brain focus and cognition. Brain focus and cognition. Let's see what's that going through the. I like NADs,

and that's obviously Cohen's. I'm brain focus. You guys just see me back? Five of me. Five of me know what I'm Q. I like. I like C max, Lank. I like SS31. I don't know. There's a ton of stuff there. And then injury repair by far PDA, TB 500 and then stack with some angel on and some testosterone on top of it. That'll do it. Well, bro, this has been a good time. Thanks for coming on the show. It's a lot of fight. I appreciate someone like you in the space and we'll see what happens.

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