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The best form of strength training for women, for most women. The vast majority of women is powerlifting. Challenge me at Daria. Powerlifting for women. I want to say bodybuilding, bro.

Well, let me tell you where I came from. Okay.

“And then I think this will be a good discussion.”

No. Sorry. I mean, somebody out there is saying that. Sure. Sure.

Let's say it's a great discussion. So ran to a friend of mine at the gym this morning.

She's relatively new to strength training.

So she hasn't been doing this for years, been less than a year.

She's been getting fit getting into it, tracking macros, a whole thing. And I walk by her working out. Okay. So she's bench pressing. Yeah. And like I said, she's relatively new.

She has 135 pounds on the bar. So I walked by. I see her. I say hi to her. I do in a set.

“And then I'm registering my head like, what is that?”

Like, somebody's a tell her. She's really strong, you know. So I go over to her and I talk to her. I'm like, have you ever thought about powerlifting? She's like, no, I'm like, I think that. I mean, you have it.

Oh, she's not even a powerlifting. No. Oh, I don't know. She's just working out on her own. She's in fact she worked out with a trainer for a while. Like, this is totally new to her. So then I'm thinking about it.

And, you know, powerlifting is so good for women in particular. For a few different reasons.

Number one, of all of the strength sports.

And there's other ones that are that are like this. But powerlifting's not. It's very not body image focused. It's very much not focused on how you look. Right.

Which benefits a lot of people, but especially women. Yeah. Because when we redirects it, mortgage strength. Yeah. And they're constantly told that their value is on how they look.

And they pursue fitness for the look. And those are true for men as well. But it's women are specially hammered with this message. That's all about how you look. Then number two, it's about getting strong.

And it's hard to starve yourself and under eat and over train and over cardio. It doesn't move the needle. You're not getting stronger. So if you focus on powerlifting, getting stronger, that tends to correct a lot of those other things.

And then lastly, I was thinking about community. And I'm thinking, you know, here's this young woman. She's getting into fitness. She's starting to lift weights. What a great community to be a part of.

It's so supportive. It's like one of the communities.

I've never, it's one of the best communities ever witnessed where you could be old young.

You could be a beginner. You could be objectively strong, objectively not strong. And everybody is like, you could do it. This is awesome. And it's just like really supportive.

So when I combine that with some of the struggles that women tend to be uniquely challenged with. I think like, this is a great, I don't think it's the be all end all. But I think it's the best. So this is interesting. So if we were to take like the three, like most popular, like CrossFit power lifting in body building.

Yeah. And you were to take. So let's just say we're going to argue those three. And then we're going to say things like like you said body image, string community sculpting the body community.

And we were to take each one. Long journey. I wouldn't give you a long journey. There's that. Yeah.

Right. Right. So long journey. I think it absolutely should be in there. So if those are like the main attributes that we're seeking.

Then I don't think that power lifting wins in the community department. I think CrossFit wins in the community department. So I think they they they they they beat them. They definitely have to make an argument. Oh, yeah, I definitely have a great as much as none of us here are pro big cross.

That's what they said. That was their big sell. Yeah. Right. And I mean, it's very obvious to me.

Like almost everybody I've ever tried to talk out of CrossFit. That's the number one reason I want. Yeah, they're like I love my community. I love the people there.

“And normally that's what I would normally go, hey, we'll keep doing it.”

Then just try and modify this and I try and modify things. So I think they went there. Long jevity. I think body building wins. I agree.

You know, so I also think body building wins on sculpting. Now body image wins for power lifting for sure. Like because and in the way you presented it, I think that's a fair argument because in our experience, you know, I think especially women,

I think get marketed to and have been marketed to for a very long time. This, you know, skinny pretty smaller. Yeah, be smaller. Look. I think that's changing.

I think and I actually credit CrossFit for a lot of that because I think you started to see these women with like shape and strength to them. That has gotten, I think being a strong or a muscle mommy has become more popular. But if you ask, I mean, I don't know. I'm now, if I, if I could take the competition out of all three of them.

So no, no power lifting competition, no CrossFit competition. But just the style of training. I go body building all day. Because I definitely think that the competition of body building would lose for me for the, for the diet aspect.

Yeah. Because you, well, you mean the body image. Body image and the diet aspect both. You, you, you create such a bad relationship with food with the having to track every single macro and die it to an extreme that you don't feel good even when you're working out.

“You have to push beyond that to get up on stage and present and actually win.”

So I think if you take the competition out of it and just say, Hey, I'm going to train a body builder style. I would argue that that is the number one. So here's where I'll actually disagree with you.

I think it's going to be the way it's going to surprise you.

I've been thinking of the community unless of the competition.

Like a power lifting gym.

“Not necessarily competing or a CrossFit gym or body building gym.”

But your competition puts a whole other, whole other spin. Yeah, they all have that. But diet wise, body building lifestyle, you learn the most about diet. Now, if it's body image focused, that could go in a wrong direction. But people who body build and train that way, learn your nutritionally, they know diet.

Power lifters, you don't know diet. No, you get away. They're going to know diet energy. Power lifting is so long as you're well fed. Yeah.

You can perform. In fact, there's no, there's no. In fact, the criticisms in the opposite is that they go any too much garbage. Right. Right.

Because they realize that man, when they're super filled up and pocketed for on calories, they lift really good. For the wellness space, it was the body building space that understood wellness.

They were the first ones to talk about gluten and sugar and process food versus a,

it was actually bodybuilders. Yeah, we're talking about this stuff. Before, I mean, there's videos of Gaspari, rich Gaspari. He's like a bodybuilder in the 80s who was talking about like gluten and how that affected, you know, water retention on his body and process, this is back in the 80s.

If you said, gluten in the 80s anywhere, people would have thought he made up a word. Nobody even knew what that was. For example. Yeah.

“So I think for diet, understanding bodybuilding crushes, all of them.”

In terms of supportive community, I'll go with powerlifting. Here's another thing. The powerlifting's not good at is the powerlifting movements as great as they are severely limiting. Absolutely. severely limiting.

Even more limited than bodybuilding. Well, there's bodybuilding. It's pretty slim, but I do feel like it just destroys all of them in terms of based level strength and like starting point. That's right. So I would, I would make an argument that we start there.

I know you can make an argument for bodybuilding in terms of filling your muscles. But for me, overall output matters most. And then we can build and tweak and sculpt, you know, from there. The irony of all this in my opinion is that none of us are making the argument for CrossFit. Yeah, I think if CrossFit was done in a non-competitive type of format, the type of exercise.

It would be functional fit. It'd be the most. It would be exactly. Well, so the term came from. It would be, yeah, it would be ran away from it.

It would be the most functional and it would be the most beneficial of longevity because of the, I mean, throwing and the different planes to move in and sled dragging and jumping in like so many. Yeah, if you take the extreme intensity, the prospect of the program that it class became dysfunctional. Yeah, fitness. But if you take the, you know, the ethos of CrossFit, like the baseline ethos is physical performance balance.

Do you have stamina? Do you have strength? Do you have power? Do you have movement? CrossFit from there?

Are they crushed? They do great with that. Whereas powerlifting is very limited. Bodybuilding, not as limited, but also limited. But I will say this.

Functional training has its roots in bodybuilding. Now people are going to be like, what? Bodybuilders didn't come at it from the same perspective. They weren't thinking functional. They were thinking cemetery balance for months.

Yeah. So they always had them.

Their mentality was always don't have a part of my body that is underdeveloped or not in balance with the others.

Right. The full understanding of what that meant. But their understanding is what led to this idea of, oh, I got a train all these different ways. Powerlifting is very limited. You're, I mean, you're three lifts.

And then everything else is to get better through three lifts. It's very casual playing. And if you pursue it for too long with too high the focus injury becomes, yeah. I feel like bodybuilding stumbles across functional training because of trying to hit different angles. Right.

And so it's like, you know, they find their way into these body positions that are very functional. You know, eventually, but it's still very focused on like, where can I feel and squeeze and get a different, you know, aspect of the muscles are grown development. Totally. But you want to talk about community like, like, go into a bot like today, a bodybuilding gym. Imagine like the person I'm thinking of the avatars of woman who wants to get fit, going to a bodybuilding gym, a powerlifting gym or a crossfit gym.

You know, the powerlifting thing of the average woman is going to have this community and the style of training that's going to move her the furthest away from these road blocks that women tend to run into. Crossfit can do the same thing, but Crossfit. I don't think it's as effective as powerlifting because there's an element across fit. Oh, I don't know. I don't think I can tend to be in sweat.

“I think it's last place for, yeah, for the, for the three of those.”

But bodybuilding's got this, like, like, this environment of like, look at yourself.

Yeah, look at the mirror.

I mean, a hundred percent, I lose that argument all day.

I know I do.

“Like, that's, that's the problem with bodybuilding is it's so much focused on image and since I think most are clients.”

I mean, we spent most of our career still to this day. I mean, it's why we don't use transformation photos for the business. Yep. Is we've stuck our ground or stood our ground for a very long time on trying to get the average person to get away from measuring their success. Purely off how they look.

Yes, I get it. I totally, of course I get it. But if that's your main focus, the average person, it drives you in the wrong direction. Oh, and so, and it ends up 90% of the time ends up being in unhealthy addiction or issue or body image issue. And so, for that reason, I think power lifting lays one of the best bases.

Yeah. So if I, like, I have a fresh young lady who is not, it doesn't know anything. She doesn't know anything. She doesn't know any of the, she doesn't know anything.

So, you know, and it has no idea what those modalities are. Right. And I have the opportunity to introduce her to one of the three. It makes the most sense to introduce and also for another reason, too, to power lifting, to get your argument back up your argument, is it simplifies? It's like, these three lifts will take, you know, take you so far.

“Are so fundamental to any, like, let's say you wanted to go to CrossFit later.”

Or you wanted to do bodybuilding. It's a nice starting point. It's a great starting point. It's like, why, of why take you right into bodybuilding and have you doing, you know, side, Tricep presses and doing weird things that like to hit an angle.

And you can really quickly get caught up in a limited or why throw you into CrossFit right away. And you're already doing baseball throws and we're all, these other things. It's just like, hey, go squat, you know, go bench, go deadlift, go learn. Like, these basic fundamental movements that you're going to get some great functionality from that. You're going to get incredible strength from that.

You're going to get some great aesthetics from that. And then we can, we can build off of that. Well, yeah. I mean, it's hard to because like, we're kind of not highlighting a lot of the benefits like CrossFit brings because it's not a great representation of that side of pursuit. If I'm trying to be more movement focused, I'm trying to be like skills specific.

Like, what can I build and develop what, you know, my abilities, you know, they don't segment it.

And so like training itself for me, this is where I always have like the biggest criticism because it's like where I lean.

Like if I was to pick out of the three of them, I'd probably lean more in the CrossFit side of fence. Yeah. However, it's just, it doesn't, I don't program it anywhere near, you know, the same way that they do because it's, when you're building a developing studio to have that kind of focused attention and specificity, which is very much lacking on that. You know, and again, this is very community based.

So it's like everybody's kind of like, well, that's the trenches together. That's the problem. Yes. That it's still, it's still class. That's also the plus.

That's also the plus. Right. I mean, I have a good friend of mine, chalk. You guys know, chalk. And I tease him all the time.

I have tons of CrossFit friends. Because it's brutal. I mean, it's so funny. By the way, we tease each other, right? So I annoy him on purpose.

I will send, so he's a pastor. I love sending him conspiratorial, like, end of times, like, preachings. Like, bro. [laughs] He's a scientist here.

He gets so mad because he's a theologian, right? He's like, no, that's out of the field. So he'll get, like, I could tell he's being calm, but annoyed with me. Yes. And then meanwhile, he'll send me stuff that he's doing.

I'm like, bro, dude. Why did you do that? I'm a part of your workout. This'll be a picture of his hands with his hand torn, you know, part of it torn off.

“I'm like, you think that's the, like, a good workout that that happened?”

But my point with it is when we, when we all, when we stop teasing each other, and we're just, you know, brass tax, he's like, he's like, I love the, I love the friendships that I've made there. Yeah.

And I've never felt so encouraged.

Yeah. You know, I feel so encouraged. Everybody's like supportive. It's a great community. And I'm like, you know what?

I can't downplay that. Because he, and he would tell you, but the first one to tell you that his relationship with fitness, his whole life was on and off. It was never consistent. It was either go run like crazy, lose a bunch of weight, then stop,

and then eat like crazy. This is the first time he's ever been super consistent. And it has nothing to do with the programming. It's zero to do with that. Has everything to do with that.

Has everything to do with that. He's been a part of this, of this great community. And from a fitness professionals perspective, CrossFit nailed this so hard. They nailed this so well that they went from

nothing to being dominant in a very short period of time in a space where you see very little of that. You see very little like big to the point where normal gyms,

Big box gyms change their floor plans because of CrossFit.

Yeah. They literally added and changed things because they're influence. So that part right there is fall off. Huge fall off. Huge fall off.

Big fall off. But with stuck around with the good parts of it.

“I think what you're saying is a lot of the stuff that just.”

Okay. So let's imagine this for a second. This would be a fun experiment. You're going to take this fresh person just for you. This is a fresh thing.

What's the better? What's it for life? A brand new. Yeah. Well, brand new.

What I mean by like never trained any mode.

Yeah. We're going to. We're going to take them through all three. Oh yeah. So they have to go all three.

They're going to go through all three. Okay. How am I going to order it? And then what am I going to coach telling them as you go through the journey? So I know that they're eventually going to make it through all three.

And I want them to get the most and of each one of these things. And what they have to offer. But also be very. Wow. So what.

So what a cool. Because here's what I because as we're talking about this. I'm thinking about all of us have experience in all three of these. Yeah. Just like I probably did a little more CrossFit stuff than you did.

But we all have experience in all this.

“And so I think the best is knowing the best of all of it.”

And knowing how to individualize it for you. Oh no. So imagine. So imagine. So somebody who's.

Imagine a young or soon to be fitness enthusiasts is like, well, I want, I want to learn. Where do we start? What are you telling them?

What are you coaching them about that as they're going through that first one?

Then where do you tell them to go second and why? And what are you coaching and telling them to look out for? And then third and final. I have a pretty initial strong opinion that I think I could support pretty well. Okay.

I would start with powerlifting. Okay. I'm learning the basic big lifts. You're also focus is off that way. Yeah.

Focus on performance. It's focused on strength. I have no focus on diet. Aside from making sure I'm eating enough to get strong. Which is actually a good place to start.

Then I would move to CrossFit. A good community. So a good CrossFit gym. So I could learn more movements. I can have fun with the community.

I could push myself with stamina in different ways. I didn't with with with powerlifting. You're also going to pick up a tremendous amount of mobility. And mobility and then diet now is getting a little bit more advanced.

And I'm getting more with my diet in terms of okay.

What makes me feel good? What's giving me a little bit more stamina? I can't be bloated like I did before when I was just squatting a deadlift. Now I got to like think about that a little bit. And then the end I would go bodybuilding because at this point I've built a solid

secure foundation with strength training. I understand performance. I've been doing this long enough where I'm not so jaded or so easily affected by the mirror and by the scale. And now I can learn anatomy.

I can get way more detail with diet. It's not going to take me over. And then bodybuilding. Let's face it like that style of training. We'll take you to the end of your life.

Whereas CrossFit and powerlifting. You'll probably have to stop. So that's interesting. So would you go that way? Well kids.

I could argue a little bit different. Like the nutrition part.

“I think is why I would probably agree with that format.”

But like if we kind of. If I took them to powerlifting and then we went to bodybuilding. I feel like we could focus more on muscle activation. And and I could get a. A little more familiar in terms of like, you know, you lateral.

A type of focus like body awareness. It's more like hypertrophy. If you look at it more from like an OPT model. Let's say like we're building our base level strength. Now we're like adding in like hypertrophy is like this is.

This is this is now we're building the muscles up and developing. So and then expressing them now. We're expressing that the peak is to me CrossFit is a very small. Like just like you would like the pinnacle of your training. You're going for power going for high risk.

Yeah. So I look at it as high risk training. Yeah. So I'm not going to go to high risk until. Good argument until we get to.

For that's a part that's a really good programming argument. Yeah. That is a really good argument. In fact, I was going to agree with sound till you said that because that is such a great. Yeah.

I could see that because I would want this person to. But the nutrition kind of misses it. No, you're right. Well, and and what also what I agree with sound, which is funny because how this started was you made the case that you, you know, power lifting being the place for the the female client.

And I made the argument for bodybuilding. I agree with your pathway. And then guess what? Bodybuild for the rest of your life now. Yeah.

Like you have that you have now got a great base strength. You've now learned all the mobility moving in different planes. Utilateral stuff. You've got all the great stuff that CrossFit has endurance. All the great stuff that CrossFit has to offer.

Now go spend the rest of your life in bodybuilding and just incorporate those other things. Whatever you want to and need to and you're set for life in my opinion. Yeah. But from a programming perspective, just makes a great argument. Yeah.

CrossFit's ultimate expression. It is. That's part of the most. And and and high risk because not only are you doing explosive type movements. You're also pairing them together and running them in for time.

You have to have a really good body awareness.

Yeah, which which you put you in in super high risk.

And so for that reason having as much experience as I can training.

“Cause maybe, you know, if you go the pathway you're saying, you know, maybe you present high risk or high injury risk, right?”

You just started doing power lifting say for six months or a year. You get really good and strong and then you go right away to all these other like now you're throwing a baseball. Yeah. You don't say like that that's that would be, you know, so interesting argument from a program. I think where it sounds like most of us agree, though, is you landed bodybuilding long term.

Yeah. Yeah. Like for for risk for slow control. Strong. Yeah.

Unilateral. Getting all the body parts. You know, saying symmetry and balance is still there. And it's the most advanced diet. And then for the average person who doesn't know how to control macros balance calories and

stuff like that, I mean, I and the argument, too, for me was hopefully by that point, you're secure enough in yourself. I'll use using example at him. You started strength training for the same reasons I did, right? It felt insecure, skinny, want to get bigger, whatever. You didn't body build competitively until way later the end of all, when you when you had already built a nice.

And you've already, yes, you've already, you're a secure man. Yes. Imagine if you competed in bodybuilder. Sure. Two years after starting, how that would have spun.

Sure. So that's part of my, I think the big thing. I think the big thing to understand to with this is what's cool about this is you plan on doing this for the rest of your life. If you don't, I think the smartest thing you do is understand the pros and cons of each. Well, yes.

And know how to move in an animal. That's the truth of all this because obviously there's people listening right now that is in one of these camps that's arguing and angry. Right? Right.

“But the truth is, you should, you should have elements of all of it.”

You know, there's, there's great element. They, they're not, they don't become a modality and stick around for this long unless there's a lot of really good things about the bottom one. Yep. And we can say here and we can, well, I think that's what's been fun about writing our programs together. It's like, you know, we're addressing these different communities and we're like here.

You, you can literally try it first here and then jump over into this next. Well, and we're writing on the perspective of having experienced all this. That's right. You know what's cool to you about this? We didn't even touch on this.

The experience of training in each of these is so different.

Like, I, although I've never, I never did a lot of CrossFit.

I've done that style of training when I was doing a lot of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. It's a very, it's a good feeling. It's a good feeling to feel like you have stamina, some strength, some agility. It feels great. But it's a very different feeling than when I'm grinding out, you know, singles, doubles

and triples are really heavyweight. That's also an awesome feeling to it, which is very different from the feeling I get when I'm bodybuilding and I get the pump and I can sculpt my body and I'm doing this high volume, style training. All of them are these wonderful.

I mean, all three of them, if I got into them, I could just have this incredible experience. And I think people should seek them out and really understand those experience. No, I think there's a lot of, go in so that the problem that everybody has is they drink the cool aid of the camp. You know what I'm saying?

The first is going, you know, like, hey, I'm interested in this thing. I'm going to appreciate, dive all the way into it. And I think that has more to say about my personality than maybe even when I landed. You make a good point, like maybe if I did land it peak insecure is 17, 19 year old Adam. Maybe it would have done something.

But this has always been my personality.

One, I've always been against it. I never wanted to be fit in a box. It didn't happen that way for a reason. Right. Like, yeah, so I've always been that person to not want to be in a box.

Oh, there was doing that. I mean, the only reason I'm not doing your gits is because everybody does that. Like, I know. Oh, my heart, I would, hey, with all my heart, I want to do it. But then the other every podcast.

Yes. The other part of it is, like, everybody is doing it. It's what you become food bro. Yeah, it's the podcast. I'll get you a week.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm just going to show it. But that's just just highlights. That's my personality, right?

And so as much as I would get into each one of these things.

I never would fully drink the cool egg as I'm like, I'm not going to put me in a box.

Which, remember when we started podcasting? I drove me crazy. I know, everybody over the bodybuilder. That I was a bodybuilder guy. I'm like, I am not.

It's much more marketable we would have been, especially with this topic. Like, you bodybuilder. You power like me, crossing guy. It would have been, you're right. It would have been a good if we all had a crush that we fought for the entire time.

It would, it would actually probably made for a better. But that's what people want. They want to drama.

“But the truth is there's so much good from all of them.”

You know, that comes from those guys. It's not because it's because we train people. That's where it comes from. It's because if I never train a lot of people, I'd probably be much more in a camp.

Sure. But you work with enough people, enough different personalities,

Enough different life experiences that you start to see the value and all thi...

You know what's cool? You know what's cool? You want matters. That's right. Even though I can't quite credit CrossFit for doing this because I kind of got this outside of CrossFit,

although I know CrossFit could, you could get this. Each one of them, there's three attributes that I think made me, like, what I can now consider good coach. I've openly said, first five, seven years. Tara, I was terrible, terrible trainer.

But like three attributes that I think make me really fucking good at what I do. And I've gotten from each one of those. The skill and ability to teach powerlifting movements is a skill in itself. Oh, yeah.

I mean, it's, it's, it's part of why when I was at first five years, I'm sure I never even taught deadlift.

I was scared of death to do it. And much less teach it. And then it took me years of getting really proficient at it to where I could coach it and actually really cue it and see something. And like, so that is a, and man, that makes it good. And those are the most fundamental movements.

So that's a huge attribute that I have. Then I didn't get until I went through like powerlifting style of training for a long period of time. Bodybuilding, which was later in my career, that I experienced. Dude, my level of nutrition. That's right.

Coaching.

“And like, bro, that's what you bring to the point.”

God, that's like, it was so, and it was wild to me because I actually thought I was already a really. Yeah, it's like, you know, every average person needs to, you know, I thought I was pretty good. Yeah. It took me to a hole. Another level of understanding and coaching to somebody else.

Right. Right. Like to work.

Who I can look at a body and go like, this is what's going on.

When it comes to exasinos and this and that and that many grams of this and body builders are the sign of it. And it, and it, and it, and it, it does. It takes you to it. And then even though I didn't really get this from CrossFit, I think you could credit CrossFit like my mobility. Yeah.

Like what I got from Dr. Brink and the time that I spent with him and all the learning that I went deep on my mobility journey. Which you could argue that that element comes from CrossFit. Yes. Or it's embedded in CrossFit. And I think those three things in a coach, if you, if you have a lead level of those three like you are.

Oh, yeah. Who are you not able to right point like who are you not able to like completely help to a extreme level. Like name it for a name name me a client that you come across that if those are three really strong attributes. And again, this is not the point of this was not me to put my own tires. It's just that my journey of going through all those when I think back of like, you know,

Hey, what I mean, I was a shitty coach for a long time.

“Uh, I believe I'm really good at what I do today.”

Well, what, what, what if I had to distill it down to three like badass attributes, those are the three. Of course, right? What you're not agree that those are probably the three that like you. Yeah. I mean, I was just saying, my Missy have her like, if you put correctional exercise with the mobility, which is why I put it in that.

But I mean, I guess you could qualify. Yeah. I would say that. And maybe because that could get even if it can't be started. Kelly star adds stuff in there.

Yeah. Yeah. My influence was I, I was blessed. I was, I've been so blessed to have these opportunities, but be put in front of me, right, learn from people who know so much more than me, like, I got power lifting experience early on from older power.

Lefters who showed me the major lifts.

Uh, body building was always something I was in too.

So that was just me reading and learning about it. And then the mobility and correctional exercise, I had a bad ass physical therapist that worked in my studio with me for eight years that I get to watch and see what she could do and just listen. It was a tiny studio. So I was like, I could hear everything like those things right there. Oh my gosh.

Great combination. Okay. So let's take it a layer deeper. Because you just have anything. And you did Justin by saying, giving Kelly star at his love.

“Because I think it's well, I think he's he.”

Oh yeah. Oh, he's champion. He's for sure. Maybe if not the most important person to cross fit in my opinion. Yeah.

I mean, obviously, great glassman created it. Yeah. He deserves a raw raw on that side. But I, but Kelly star at with with mobility really saved it. Mm-hmm.

And in fact, all of your cross fit without Kelly star at die. Oh, yeah. Without addressing the mobility. So yeah, they wouldn't hide all the exactly. Yeah.

They would still have the following up. So, so I'm going to. So let's try and come up with a book. A book, a philosophy or a teacher for each one of those. If like that's like you were to you.

Oh, God. So I think supple leopard for. For start. I think starting strength is a great one. Yeah.

Bodybuilding. I can't say Arnolds. I think so. Really? Yeah.

I think because you're going to have movements for everybody. Why do you like good basic diet advice in there? It's they call it the encyclopedia. Well, he called it that. But I think people refer to it as that for a reason.

So I think body. I think the encyclopedia bodybuilding would be a good place to start. I really do. How do you huge impact on me? Is it good?

Yeah. He didn't have enough on me. That's why I struggle with this one. Ironically. No, that's I was trying to come to mind.

I got to give our boy credit.

Good friend of ours.

I got a lot from Lane during my years.

Oh sure. That's how I found Lane. Sure. I found Lane because I actually thought. Like there was a transition in the bodybuilding.

World of very old kind of science around nutrition and diversity. Yeah. Yeah. Everything. I mean, even like the sodium and water intake.

And there's a lot of things that the bodybuilding changes. Yeah. Lane had a big influence on the natural bodybuilding space early. And again, a lot of bodybuilding back in oral days. Well, it's not true because that wasn't high steroid day.

But a lot of the information came from anabolic side of things. Yeah. And like the fine. It was also one person telling another. And this is what worked for me.

There wasn't any science. Yeah. Yeah. I felt like I felt like Lane did such a good job of that during that time. And it took him relieve him as far as like he's your personality or not.

But I have to give credit for being somebody who was very influential. I agree. He came out real big when like bodybuilding forums were really big. And so he had this huge impact. Yeah.

Yeah. So he stuck around a long time because. I mean, like you said like him or or not with personality wise. Like the guy. He communicates things that I mean very very well very well done.

Yeah. Yeah. So his.

And he has obviously incredible understanding of programming.

So because he's also got a power lifting background with his bodybuilding. So he's he's definitely very very. You know what it's unfortunate is he probably doesn't get to love. He deserves because he doesn't have this crazy genetic physique. Oh.

So for a you think body that you think it aren't all right away because of how he looks. So you mean for bodybuilding. Yeah. Yeah. But like if I were if but like.

And I'm not I'm not a fan of Arnold's programming. I mean. Oh no. Like so.

“I think in parallel with big Louis Simmons.”

Oh, so I'm not. We're so big. Oh God. They changed to get. They have to put them in there.

Oh, no. Yeah. So I just thought that would be a fun way to take. But yeah. Like let's say you're not a trainer who wants to technically go through all these because that here's

it. I mean we've read all those things. Yeah. And experienced all those things. That's the the just the ultimate is.

Have you read all all the greatest minds in those or some of the greatest minds. You say to all of them. The exaggeration. But some of the greatest minds in those fields. And then have you gone through it yourself.

And so can you can you can you can go work with a good coach who's got experience. Yeah. Because with you throw a wrenching of different personalities and body types and variances and all kinds of stuff. Now what you think you know gets challenged.

I might so many times what I thought was right. Would get challenged because it just didn't work with a client for whatever reason. And I'd have to throw it out the windows. Okay. Let me consider some of the things.

Yeah. You know talking about our friends. That it's been on here and been friends of ours for a long time. Another one.

“Are you guys watching our friend Drew Canole right now?”

Oh, he's doing great. Yeah. You want viral video. I don't want video. So this is the business side.

He communicates that wellness side very well. Well, you want to. You want to hear the the geek side of the side that I get like a case. So I get an opportunity to talk to a lot of these friends of ours that are like the founders and stuff. He's a founder of organified for people.

Yeah. So he's a founder of organified. You've actually known me even longer than I have. Yeah. I've maintained a close relationship.

I talked to fairly regularly. Him and Mike Matthews and many other these founders of big companies that are friends of ours. And I love getting to know like the behind the scenes stuff. And like I've watched that whole journey of that company.

You know, move its way all the way up to like a hundred million dollar company. And then watch it come all the way down. And a lot of that had to be with with Drew stepping in and out of the company.

Like he's always been a part of it, but he stepped back for many years.

Like after it really shot up, we first got introduced to him. In fact, when we first got introduced, he was he had a different CEO in place. And I remember being really fascinated with this because my pump was really early. And at that time, I really wrestle with this idea of like, you know, should I step aside and like like hire somebody else to run to run us, right?

And tell us what to do, like I'm very at that point, not knowing what was the right call. And remember thinking about different plays that we could do. And so then seeing him do that made me feel like, oh, that's the right thing to do. When you get to a certain point, be wise enough to like remove yourself from it.

“Don't your ego getting the way that you need to happen.”

So I had so much respect for that. But then it also took a huge dive. Well, Drew, he is now reinserted himself. He's got a huge part of it. He's very, what's the word, he's brilliant in understanding for lack of a better term or better description.

The wellness side of supplements and health. And he also communicates it very well. Yeah, but he gets it because he lives it. So this is why organifies one of those brands that needs that vision.

It's not just a supplement company because if it was, then you're just compet...

They have great products. They're tested across the board. Like they have some of the most rigorous testing. They even test for glyphosates. Yeah, they still have a chance.

But their formulations are are very, very smart because of the team that they have. But more than that, it's like this visionary company that leads wellness. And without someone like Drew, who's a leader. He's a thought leader in that space. Yeah.

Good luck. That is on social media and communicating like things that are around health and wellness. He does it so well. And he gets it. He gets how to communicate it.

He gets how to talk about the science, but also the experience. And he knows what people need to hear because he's one of those people. What was the name of his youth? Trying to replace him as impossible. No, you can't.

No. That's just, you know, it's also a sign of the times too.

“I think it's like this is companies want the face of the brand.”

No. And there's so many faceless brands out there. And supplements are another one. And it's supplements are one of those things where it's like, How do I know I trust it?

Now of course, you know, we've co-signed for them for a very long time. So that does, I'm sure that why we're partners with them still. But having him back is like the face and talking. I don't remember what it was when he reintroduced himself again. To Instagram.

But I mean, he's in the millions. Yeah. Like just watched him explode. Whatever that formula is, he knows it. Dude.

In and out. Dude. Yeah. And he just steps in. So so good.

So yeah. You know, I love about Drew. He's he's a great guy. I mean, you meet him. He just, you love the guys.

Really good guy. He's out there. Just enough. Uh, but he's not. He owns it.

He's not, yes. He owns it. And he's not one of those out there. People that's like hypersensitive. Yeah.

I like it. He's weird. Bro. And he like owns it. To hang out with us.

Like if we like, he would start to tease you. Yeah. This is what we do. So we're, we're guys like that. And Drew's like, he's not like the sensitive or whatever.

It takes a long time. Yeah. I'll give you anything. I love that about it. I'll give you an example of people that the who he's like.

And how they were different is Ben Greenfield is like this. Yeah. But Ben Greenfield took a lot longer warm up to us. Yeah. Drew was like instantly.

Like Drew, the first time we could be.

We were all on a room together. Yeah. We could talk shit. And say, like, when we came in. We're really given that meeting.

He was worried that it looked like a surgeon. Uh, was it? With a surgeon pepper. Yeah. Can you?

Oh, my bro. That's a good job. That's cool. No. Right away.

Like, didn't get where Ben was like Ben took a little, some. Ben took a little while to warm up to us. And both guys, you know, what I, what I enjoy most about them. And I know that they're, they're somewhat controversial figures online. And, you know, we've gotten to become friends and know them very, very well.

“And the thing that I respect the most about both of those guys, that I think they”

get a lot of scrutiny around as being these kind of hippie, dippy, biohatches. But they live it. Yeah. There is a lot of people. There is a lot of people.

There is a lot of people that have jumped on that bandwagon. They're fake. And they're in the, yes. And they, they pitch it. They preach it.

They talk all about it. But then like, they, those guys live that lifestyle and are really, really into that. And listen, if, like, the newest actual gone down or whatever thing that everyone's talking about, like, that's not so bad. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever the newest, the newest thing. You know, what's the, what's the, what's the, the last one that we, we, that has

blown up. Everyone. Shilaji. Shilaji. You know, he's always on the front end of that.

That was what I was looking for. Yeah. But it's so true though.

Like he's, he's always the guy to be the first one.

And then I feel like everybody else kind of follows that. That's right. They didn't set that trend. Yeah. Shilaji.

Yeah. He probably certainly actually got it. Green juice was him. Yeah. Green juice was him.

You're right. Green juice was not popular, right? All those other brands that are huge. Nobody knows about it. Yeah.

Or get a black marketable. They're flagship product. What you say. Markable. Markable.

Yeah. I love Paul. I just, too, didn't have you there. He's great. He's great.

“I love him because he's always going to be Paul.”

Yeah. Yeah. He's always on the same pants. Yeah. He's always on the same pants.

He's always on the same pants.