2828: The "Goldilocks Zone" - Build Muscle WITHOUT Bulking or Cutting

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“Look, a lot of you need to stop trying to bulk and stop trying to cut.”

It's destroying your experience. It's making this impossible. You're not progressing and you stop because of it. Stop trying to bulk and cut. Let's talk about it.

You know what, yeah, you know, where's this coming from? Well, so, you know, just through talking through or talking a lot of callers that call him, and I get the whole bulk and cut process and why we do it to 90% of our callers. Yes. Coming with that.

So for people listening around familiar with those two terms, just real quick. A bulk is the attempt to eat more than your burning so you can gain muscle, I don't think anybody bulks the game body fat. One that it cut is the attempt at reducing your calories below what you're burning in order to cause fat loss.

And so someone listening might be like, well, that's why I'm working out. I'm trying to accomplish one or the other or both. And the challenge with it is this constant attempt at manipulating your diet and counting these things for a lot of people makes the experience so the for lack of a better term than enjoyable makes it stressful to the point where they eventually stop because it's

stressful. It sucks. It makes eating. It can be obsessive. Feel either restrictive or or structure, too structured.

And it changes the entire workout experience to be really only about accomplishing a particular goal, which I get that, like people have fitness goals. I get that. But when I coached and trained people, everybody had a fitness goal.

“My goal was always, can I get this person to do this for the rest of their life?”

So regardless of what your goal is, which I'll help you get to, my goal is a coach is, can I get this person to a place where they enjoy doing this? And oftentimes this, like, structured, I got to do this bulk, I get it this much, or I got to eat this little kind of kills the whole thing and turns it into this experience. That really, really sucks.

So the question's always like, well, what do I do?

How do I eat? Like, what's, what do I do here? It's interesting. And again, I've experienced this with clients and even myself, is if you eat a particular way, which we'll talk about, I'm sure you guys have some input.

But there are ways to eat where your body kind of directs you in a way to where you eat more when your body's trying to build. If you're a bit overweight in terms of body fat, your body actually has you eat an appropriate amount and you start to lose body fat. When the progress appears to be more of a recomp than it does this traumatic cut in bulk,

you know, type of thing. Yeah, I think I'd like to pose an argument to that, sure.

the process of recomping just because when you, when you try, ideal place I think to be,

“and I think we're probably most of us, probably land, is in kind of like this, what”

we call it, we're trying land in this Goldilocks zone where it's just a, it's like a recomp. You're not a aggressively bull. I don't think you really are. You're trying to push them, wondering? Yeah, I don't think any of us really aggressively bulk or cut.

You can make that argument back in my competing days. I did stuff like that. But for the most part, I think you just eat somewhere around maintenance, which puts me in this sometimes, which is I think in an ideal to your argument, an ideal place for people to be both, I think, physically, and psychologically.

“But I think the reason why bulking cutting has been so popular and why we tend to use it”

as a tool is because I think people have a really hard time staying in that Goldilocks zone where the scale doesn't really move north or south when they have a goal of, I want to lose fat where I want to build muscle and simplifying it by putting them in a bulk, say the person who wants to build muscle, so they say they see some sort of potential movement in the direction they think they're going, even though it may not even be muscle, but they

see some sort of like, I'm trying to bulk and try to build. So the fact that I'm up three pounds in the scale feels like a positive reinforcement and so I'll stay the core step of the deal and vice versa, I'm trying to lean out, I'm trying to cut and try to lose body fat. So I'm reducing my calories significantly and I see how the scale goes down a little bit

“and so I think that that strategy tends to ease people a little bit that, okay, I think”

I'm going the right direction, but I see your argument, but I think the reason why it's tough for the average person is I think the average person struggles to be there. Yeah, I think they lack knowledge on some level in terms of what they're actually putting in their body, they're blissfully sort of, they have an idealistic opinion about how they eat until they actually, you know, put that on paper, but I agree with the initial statement,

it's like, you kind of want to work your way to this place where it's like, it's basically

maintenance or re-comparts, you know, you're, you're serving this as more of a long-term health strategy and goal where I can maintain what I'm doing without being too hyper-focused on fluctuating into the extremes, so yeah, I think that at least initially I think it's helpful to kind of put parameters out there of like, okay, this, this is where my maintenance really is, this is where, you know, deficits lie, like if I'm going to go, you know, extreme

and that or extreme here, you can at least have a basis for getting a portion of, you know, this meal, I can just slightly reduce that meal, or I could slightly add to this meal, like you need some kind of like home-yode stasis, well I agree with your statement about that the end goal should be what he's saying, like I definitely agree that ultimately that's where I wanted to take all my clients, ultimately I want to find this home-yode stasis

of where you're eating, where you're in a satisfied place and, you know, and not a stress or nothing. Yeah, it's not a stress, you're not tracking or pushing really hard to gain or cutting really hard to lose. You're in this really nice place, but my argument is that most people aren't there. In fact, most people do better with some sort of a focus on a cut or a ball, until maybe to Justin's point, that that experience and knowledge gets there

that it's like, oh, I can, I don't need to move the scale in order to be successful and

I don't need to hype or push or focus in a direction and I can get incredible help.

There are, there are cases, and I do want to be clear, there are cases where a targeted bulk or targeted cut might be important. I'll give an example, you have somebody who has has had any disorders for much of their life, and their idea of eating enough is really off. It's just really off. When they eat enough, like what's appropriate to them, it feels like too much. I'm stuff that don't feel good. Yeah. So with that person, you kind of have

to recalibrate them. But for a lot of people, by the way, this is what my training look like in the back of my career. The first half of my career was all cutting and bulky. It was all this stuff. The back half of my career asked me how many times I would take clients and have them figure out what they need and get them to a cut or a bulk. What it looked like at the end was we're going to focus on, like there were parameters, but it looked like this.

to eat whole foods. That's what you're going to focus on. Really trying stick to that most

“of the time as much as you possibly can. Make your meals protein centric. Don't skip meals.”

When you're hungry, eat. When you feel satisfied, stop. And towards the back half of my career, this is what my nutrition advice looked like. Now, there was coaching through this, because although it sounds simple, there's still challenges. If you go from a 70% of your calories come from processed food like most people to a whole food, there's some coaching that's involved. No, not skipping meals or eating appropriate meal prepping.

Like there's some coaching involved. But there's this presupposition. There's a assumed status of people. There's a assumed, like we assume that our appetite signals are not to be trusted. Yeah. We assume that if a person just eats when they're hungry, they're all going to end up obese. That's not true. That's only true when you feed yourself food that has been engineered to make you overeat. Then if you listen to your systems of fatality or appetite,

well, yeah, you are going to be obese. But when you eat whole natural foods, again, except

for the extremes, here's what ends up happening towards the end of my career. When I would

have guys, when I would coach guys in this way and they'd kind of start to follow this, they would eventually fall around 15, 16, 17% body fat. It's where they ended up, everybody. Everybody ended up here. We weren't trying to cut. We weren't trying to do anything. Just we all kind of fell in this body fat percentage. Everybody got stronger. Everybody built muscle. My female clients, they would fall somewhere between 21 to 25, maybe 26% body.

Everybody just kind of fell for your healthy range. In these healthy, leanish body fat percentages without really counting anything, really only paying attention to I'm eating when I'm hungry. I'm eating protein centric and I'm sticking to whole natural foods. And what this look like for someone who is really overweight is they would see fat loss. For somebody who needed to build muscle, we'd see a lot of muscle gain. For people who were

kind of in this average range, we would see a nice trade of fat loss with muscle gain. But it was a stress, kind of stress free approach. And they didn't go through the challenges that you'll often see with structured cuts and structured bolts. I'll give another example. I was talking about cousin recently. My cousin does jujitsu, also lifts weights, so he's active. And his body fat came back at 18%. I want to get down to like 15, 16%, so he's

“dropped like 3%, not a big deal. And he goes, you know, what should I do? How do I go on a cut?”

So well, there's two ways we could do this. I said, A, we could track your calories and put you in a deficit. And then you'll drop that 3% body fat. And it'll probably take us six weeks like that. Or you could do this. And I told him what I'm saying. I said, hey, heat your body weight in protein, eat it first, stick to whole natural foods, eat when you're hungry. And that's it. Now you'll still drop body fat. It won't happen as fast. However,

in the structured cut, here's what you're going to notice. Here's some of the side effects.

Your performance is going to drop in jujitsu. And in your workouts because you're in this kind of bigger deficit. If you do what I'm saying, I don't think you're going to notice a drop in performance at all. And it'll take longer. You're not going to drop 3% body fat in six weeks. It might take more like 12 weeks or 18 weeks. But the whole time you're going to feel good. And it's not going to feel like this structured thing. And the odds of rebound are way lower.

Because you're not coming out of a cut, you know, type of deal. You know, there's a there's a there's a bit of a bias that we have that we have to factor in when we give advice like this. I think

“that in it it pertains to what Justin was saying about the education piece that I think is so important.”

I realize that the clients that I got the back half of my career were much easier to deal with because they were all referrals. So when you came to me later on, it was like, tell me what to do. You already helped my friend Christine told me that you're the best at this. And so I could give advice like that. Like, hey, or you actually gave better advice because you're experienced. Yeah. So you distilled it down to the both trucks. Both is true. Both is true. But nonetheless,

it's bias because you don't get the average client. You get a client who's coming to you with I already trust and believe everything you're saying where I think the average person or average trainer, even if you're knowledgeable and you listen to this podcast and you give a lot of advice, still has that challenge of like, they have to educate the client still to get them to halt hop on that side. I think the argument you're making out of is maybe something like this because

I can see where you're going. It's like, I got to show someone movement right on the scale, right. Otherwise, they're going to be like, this is taking too long. Right. Yeah. Now I get that. And they're also, we know how deceiving the mirror, all those things can be. And so you're telling

I don't look good. I don't feel like I'm getting any change. And so they have hard-wired expertise.

Right. So it's, it tends to be a little bit easier to say, hey, we're going to go on a bulk. This is what to happen. This is what to expect. And it's like, and so it's easier to prepare for that. And then to show that you have that control and ability to manipulate their look, their weight, their strength, all these things. So that I then have the trust to go, okay, this is how this is the place we want to be. Where you talk about your clients, how they,

but I mean, we're all biased because by the time we are at the, or, you know, whatever level you want to call us when we were great trainers or good trainers, I bet each of us in here, we're out fishing for brand new people who didn't trust us. No, sorry, we got clients that were like bought into our philosophy. You know, you're, you're not wrong, but I'll add this because it, to what Justin was saying. The way I coached and trained people was different. Yeah,

steer the way right from the scale and the mirror. And I started to point out all the improvements that they normally wouldn't have noticed because they're so hyper-focused on the scale and the mirror. Yeah. So my clients, when they would come to me and we'd have these conversations. And believe me like any coach or trainer listening to their subconscious more. They know this. Like if you're trainer or coach, you know this, okay, or even if you're not in your, your a person who hires a

trainer, they would come to me and they'd say, no, I want to do this. I want you to tell me what to do. And I want to lose that and lose that and so or gain this. And so it was a conversation, but then what I would do through my training is I show them, you just did two more reps. You're stronger here. How's your sleep? Oh my god, I'm sleeping better. How's your energy? You know,

“I don't need that third coffee in the day. Hey, did you notice your back?”

Doesn't hurt when we do bentover rows. Like we tried five weeks ago and we couldn't do them. Now we're doing, you notice your back doesn't hurt. And so they started to see all these other improvements which kept them going. And then eventually what would happen is they'd say things like, I'm getting leaner. What's going on? Like, this is weird. I don't feel like I'm trying really hard. And then I knew I had them. And then I knew like, no, no, this is working.

But it is a lot of conversations. Yeah. And I totally get it. Like, almost nobody enters into a fitness program saying, what's your goal? I want to do this forever. Nobody says that. Everybody says, I want to specific. I want to build muscle, burn body fat. I want to change the way this looks or change the way that looks. But the real challenge is figuring out how to do this forever.

And I'm, look, I'm going to say this right now. Our bodies are not broken. Everybody. The problem is

you're feeding your body food that was designed to make you over eat and you live in a world that's designed to make you not move. It's not your body that's broken. It's this environment that we in, if we just change the inputs a little bit. Like you could still eat and eat until you're satisfied, just eat foods that your body knows when to say stop. It knows when to say eat more.

“Because that's what'll happen, too. I had many clients through this process that would get so scared”

because we'd start training. They'd listen to me and start eating whole natural foods. But we're strength training. And what they would do is they come to me and be like, my appetite is through the roof. Why am I so hungry, Sal? I don't want to keep eating as much and I'll tell. No, no. Eat when you're hungry because we're building muscle right now. Your body's actually telling you that you need to eat more food. Listen to it. And it's really interesting. I do think

so many people are ruining their experience in the relationship with fitness because they're so hyper focused on macros, cutting, bulking. I got to do this. I got to that thing that it becomes this really stressful like process to the point when other life stresses start to get high. It's just overwhelming. I don't want to do this anymore. I'm done. I'm going to stop. I just want to enjoy my life. Yes, interesting because it is definitely like an advantage to have a coach

identifying those things and being able to forecast it and tell you you're going to run into this and to be able to kind of calm their own urges to fully cut, or to fully bulk, or I think that it simplifies it. So you can make an argument like the cut and bulk initially. It's kind of the new trainer. That's like the easy way to handle that situation instead of really identifying a lot of those things that are going on in their process of cutting out the processed food and

“really sticking with whole natural foods. You have to kind of identify those things and really”

have them visualize it. The truth is that I know for sure that each of you would handle this

case by case because there's clients that come to you and in the first hour, they're communicating

and where you, how you guide them is completely dependent on that. Of course, there's a scenario, there's a scenario example for someone that you absolutely put on a bulk, or absolutely tell them we're not going to do that. So the question becomes, where do you, and I think that's where my argument is right now is that I think that most people aren't ready for kind of hovering around that place yet. I think they have to go through the education process of even knowing what

150 grams of protein looks like, knowing what, yeah, you still have to do that. Yes, still got to, like, what is protein centric? Do I have an egg? Yeah, no, like you. It's probably more like 30, 40 grams. And what does it look like when I actually intentionally try and eat in a surplus of calories? And what does that feel like when I do that? And what does it feel like when I decide to

restrict a little bit? Like, I mean, that's the other thing too, I've always had to communicate

just like there's this idea of like, you know, being in a, in a cut, you won't feel hungry. You're like, you're like, of course, you know, if it's a specific, if it is a directed structured cut, right, right, and so there's a bit of, there's a bit of an education process that goes through the, the teaching of cutting and bulking. Totally. I think the people that I'm talking to know who I'm talking to right now. Well, yeah, people listening were like, oh, God. And I know,

and I know who you're talking to, like, over and over. Right, right, there's, there's people that are beyond that, and they understand what the macros are, they know what maintenance probably is. It could even be the beginner right now. That's overwhelmed with all of it. And I was like, okay, what do I do? How many calories? What do I, and I was like, oh, really just need that,

just need whole natural foods, uh, eat high protein meals, eat a first. That's like,

I got a big weight off. Yeah. But to your point out, I'm, look, I was on a coaching call with Will and one of his clients. Now, this woman had been, uh, inpatient, uh, several times for Anorexia, um, and she had just gotten released, and she was wanted to hire a coach. And, uh, so she hired one of our coaches. My advice to her was not, listen to your appetite signals. Right. Because if she listens to her appetite signals, she's not going to eat this. Like, because it's off.

Yeah. So my advice to her was, this is going to feel uncomfortable. Yeah. You're going to eat

“well beyond what you think is enough because your idea of enough is so off that you have to”

relearn what that feels like. I mean, I guess that's what I, or I'm coming from too is that I have that in the back of my mind right now because I know that Katrina is booking a call for me to hop on with Karen and one of her clients. And I know that her client struggles with, yes, eating enough. That's right. And I know that if I told her, listen to her body, she's going to be like, oh, I'm stuffed all the time. You're just like, yeah, your, your signal is, is off. And you

need to be in a, in a bulk when we need to to understand that there's going to be a bit of this uncomfortable feeling and we'll, you know, so yeah. And I guess that again, back to the point that this is what makes personal training so special and so unique, right? Is that there's some general case. There's some general rules. There's some some principles that, you know, over decades of training so many people that we've really distilled down to some like core values of like,

eat whole foods, hit your protein. That's going to work for like 90% of the people for like 90% of

the way. But you always get those ranchers. But exactly, there's always, it's not, it's not like a blanket

statement of like just you that it's like, there's going to be these people that that come to you that,

“oh, no, this is somebody who I need to put in. You should hear my cousin's feedback too because”

he's doing this right now. So he's trying to eat 200 grams of protein a day, stick to whole natural foods. And remember, his goal is to drop about 3% body fat. Yeah, but he's stuffed. He's like, he's like, I can't eat. Yeah, can't eat that protein. Yeah, he's stuffed. He's like, I can't do it. I'm like, well, you're going to be in a natural color. Yeah, that's what you wanted. It limits you. I said, do you feel like you're dining right now? He's like, no, that's exactly, that's exactly the

point. But yeah, I think the people who know people who should hear this, no, because they're hearing this right now and they're like, oh, yeah, this is overwhelming. This is stressful. I don't want to live like this anymore. And again, the premise that the average person, the just humans in general have this appetite that if we let a run wild, we're going to go crazy. That's not true with natural food. It's just not. It's only true with food with drug like effects that have been engineered to

“be that way. That's why we over for the most part. Oh, this is why I was such a fan of”

whole 30 when I was created. It was such a good. That's right. You know, talk about there's not a lot of a lot of diets or modalities that I think I get way behind and be like, oh, that's really like most people would be very well served to spend 30 days of shit like because it's hard. Let's be honest. Yeah. It's very hard. It's especially for the average American. I mean, you're radically changing

some serious planning to plan a month of I'm only going to eat. You know, it's another part of

“that too. We actually talked about this. I don't know if this was with the color. I think it was”

with a color recently, but I had this realization that we've taken meal preparation, which used to be this communal, it used to be a great way to spend time with people and it turned into like a jaw I got to do real quick. And I'm just going to say this, like straight up, like husbands and wives, you guys are looking for time to spend together while you do something and have time to talk. Meal prep together. It took together to hack for sure. It's some of my favorite time that I've

ever spent with my wife is when her and I are cooking together. It's like a great way to connect. And we're going to do it anyway, but why don't we turn it into this by the way, if you have kids, include your kids. My wife is great at this. She'll send me pictures and I have little kid. I got three year old and a five year old. So it's not much they could do, but what they can do is like peel things, throw things in the blender and so she'll involve them. She'll put them at stations.

And they'll do this. And she turns cooking meals into this wonderful experience for the family.

“And I think that's such a hack because now you've not just, you have the value of meal prepping,”

you don't just have the value of eating whole natural foods that are healthy, but now you've added the value of connection and this kind of community effect, which just makes it so much. Now it's something I look forward to. Yeah, we're trying to, um, we're in the process of

around day three or third day. We're getting there, um, teaching max out of making coffee in the morning.

Oh, really? Yeah, you know, French press. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's good. I mean, I have all the right tools with a hot water. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I want it to be a little risky, right? So I want to say, yeah, yeah, it has to be a little like that's, he's, uh, we got this, we get his school so cool. His school sends him home with, uh, this kind of thing for parents. And it's like they're age breakdown, um, from, you know, one to three, I think three to five, five to seven, seven to nine,

the different things they should be capable to do that. Oh, that's great. And so it's just a really, even Katrina and I got that just recently, like, oh, wow, there's some things in here that we're not making them do, we're not doing more of. And so we're, we're trying to incorporate that in one of them was like, you know, making, making breakfast or doing things like that for himself. And I was like, you know, he's in this like money earning phase right now too. So I'm

going to, like, pay him a dollar for every time he makes coffee. Of course. And so yeah, so I'm trying to teach him how to, how to make coffee right out. But he's already connected that cleaning the toilet is $10 and cleaning doing coffee is a dollar. And so he's like trying to get me to pay more for the Tom, they're both connected. Yeah, yeah, coffee. You'll get to clean the trash. Yeah. He's trying to get me to pay more for a guy. I'm like, I'm not paying you Starbucks is already overpriced at $3. I'm

definitely not paying you $10 for a cup of coffee. I'm going backwards. So yeah, it's funny, I want you to watch them try and do it right out. So let's see if it backfires on me or if it works out, but that's my good. I want to ask you guys, Adam, you're the one you've been using the tropescriptions, calm and sleep five of, I'm a believer. Dude, they nailed yeah, whatever their formulations are. Can you, okay, that's the most like, like, I could feel it. What am I feeling? Okay,

we, I want to know what I'm feeling. I can feel the calm, which is impressive. There's a sleep, there are obviously sleep things like melatonin and stuff like that. Really, there's a form of gabba. Is that what it is? In the calm that crosses the blood brain barrier. So traditional gabba, which is a neuro inhibitory compound. So they basically calms the brain. If you take traditional gabba and you feel it, Scott actually made a point of this. He said, it's because

you have a leaky gut. Okay, it's not supposed to be, you're not supposed to feel it's too big of a molecule. But they have a form of gabba in there that crosses the blood brain barrier.

So when you take it, you feel, okay, so explain this to me because I've always been a fan of

Ned's product, right? Yeah. But I feel this more than I feel that why, you have a magnesium, you, you probably need magnesium, okay. But this is not filling nutrient deficiencies. These are compounds that actually have like physiological effects. So it's not just filling a nutrient deficiency. It's like this has an effect. At the other end. So Ned didn't have gabba then.

“No. Oh, that's why. Oh, so that's the gabba that I'm probably familiar with.”

I could wrap my brain around why. He's a garring in there. And then this sleep one, I believe, has the gabba dug. If I'm not mistaken, pull that one up. So there's compounds that is, he was on the, oh, he's on the calm. You are the calm. Oh, I was on that. No, no, no, go and trope plus calm. That's the one I was on. Yes. Okay. All right. Let me go find this sleep here. No, and then there's the doer right there. That's it. No, gabba, gabba might do well. That's the one.

Yeah. So that's the combo right there. Yeah. You put those together. And so I take, I take the

calm about an hour first. So I'm going to write before bed and then write before bed. I take the

other one. And then Justin, have you been doing the, the methylene blitz? Yeah. Yeah, I have

've been having this issue where I'm like, I bonks so hard. Oh, I'm like, I'm like, does an

off and I'm driving. I'm waking myself up and playing with music. But yeah, there's just moments, a lot more times during the day where I've just like crashed, that it's just, it's been consistently good. So he recommended to me that I take the, the methylene blitz the morning early and as part of my sleep routine. What is it about that that how, I said, because that's the one might have conjugal efficiency. And so it's supposed to help with just better mitochondrial health. But if you

take it too late, it's a bit energizing. So if you take it at night, then it might interfere with sleep. Okay. Yeah. Because that's the one I, I've been really good about the calm and sleep consistent. I haven't been as consistent with the, the methylene blitz. And then there's cortisol step in in there, which is an interesting compound from cortisol, which has gotten effect on increasing rim sleep. Oh, this is part of, this is part of the sleep, cortisol and the c-boost of my sleep. And it has five

milligrams of melatonin. When you, um, the blue pea is funny at all. I got used to it, man. It's a funny, because, um, I mean, I have a weird story. I don't feel like, I don't know. I go outside like pee on the tree. You know, I forgot that I was like, you know, taking methylene blitz a lot. Oh, my son saw, I don't know what he said. He's like, what the, he is so confused. He's like, why is your

“pee blue? He's too young to scare. You could have been up a total bit. Oh, no, what does that mean, son?”

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I could have made a story or something. It should probably be a really good boy. I don't know if I'm going to be around. I just was through me off, because I was like, what? It just became normal. That's a little pee blue. That's so funny. Yeah. Dude, I got, uh, I was speaking of supplements. Did you guys see the post that I'm going to pull it up? Uh, that, uh, Mike Matthews did on the study that they did on supplements? Oh, do you watch this?

I'm going to pull this up. So, there was a 2,025 study that tested 200 popular sports supplements. And they tested them for band substances. Okay. Band substance. Band. So, okay. So, this is like antibiotics and 200 supplements. He's one third of them contained band drugs. One third, third of them. What was in the category of these sports supplements? What, like, like athletic performance, strength, uh, you know, muscle building,

“nitropic, pre-workout, whatever. Who is this? Is it John Jones or I remember some fighters”

making this claim a long time ago? It's real. And I'm like, is that true? You know,

bro, they were seeing it. It was like spike. Bro, they found, here's what they found. Okay.

Now, this is a lot, bro. That's one third. Okay. That's a lot. It's a big old chunk. No wonder the FDA's trying to regulate supplements. He's someone because they're just stupid. They're going to bring it on themselves. Uh, here's what they found in some of them. One of them, they found a sarm, which, like, that's not even a, that's even in a very hard drug. Yeah. Okay. A sarm that were banned stuff, uh, stimulants. They were emphetamine like drugs, ADHD medications,

and cardiac drugs. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That just goes to show. Yeah. Well, you know, well, this crazy stuff. It's working. Well, I mean, that just goes to show you. They know the power of just, uh, a supplement that people feel. Yeah. If you, they want you to feel something. You see, you feel something from it. You know, if you guys seen this study, I don't know if I ever showed you guys this, where they, that, you know, what I don't know what you call them, the

boner pills category, right? Like sex supplements or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They didn't hold a bunch of them. They tested a whole bunch of them. Yeah. And he's, like, a significant percentage of them had, uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Like the address. I actually put the drug in there. Uh, yeah. They just works. Well, that's what they used to do with the old fake steroids stuff, right? They used to put, like, real, like, testosterone and real stuff inside it to make people,

they used to do things that will have to back in the day they were legal. Did you guys know

“by the way, did you guys ever take super draw in the early 2000s? Do you guys remember that one?”

I don't know if I took super draw. I took, I took the one that I'm doing a Pro one. The one I did take was the one that Mark McGuire got in trouble. Oh, understanding. Yeah. That's your standard. Yeah. Yeah. It's nothing. Actually, I tried the thing, but I did, and I did the, I did the, I did the trend one that ended up getting knocked off the camera also. So I've done, I did a few of the designers. So I remember in the early 2000s, okay, a super draw. When they call it Pro hormone,

Pro hormone. It's not a hormone. It's a pro hormone. It's it's before hormones. It turns into a

hormone. So they kind of like sold it that way. It was called super draw. And I'll never forget

I took it. And I was like, wow, like, I got, like, no joke. I probably added 30 pounds to my bench press in like two weeks. Well, that's what I was saying. Do you know what, you know what, you know, who use a super draw now? Power lifters and bodybuilders. They say it's stronger than

flow. Well, I remember that it's a designer story. That's the, that, that, I forgot the brand

of that, that trend, the trend over the counter was, but I remember it was so strong that I took two bottles back to back. And I had side effects. I started to get gone to Commascia from it. That sucks with supplements. Yes, from a supplement. I was like, this is crazy. So, you know, I had something. Super draws now a black market steroid, dude. I bought that at the store. At the supplement store, dude. I like this is my favorite supplement. Well, yeah, bro, you're

taking their way to the world. That's crazy. That's the supplement industry for you, ladies and gentlemen. You have a very, very new year on research. Okay, here's some good news on supplements. And Doug's been using the supplement for a while, Nato can ace, am I saying that right, though? Nato can ace. You got to save a Japanese way, don't you? Yeah, with a Nato party. Okay. Nato can ace. You've been, where did you get this? Well, I've heard about it for a long time.

Uh, he's so undercover by everyone. No, I, I share these things. I'm not

descriptive. Come on. You know, I'm just hard to get a word in Edge about it. You always

deep, I get out of your that bullshit. We've been together for over 10 years. No, so yeah, I can't get a word in Edge wise. Tell you guys about the tax break you guys could have had. Ah, come on. We did it. We met the girl who's dating like three years ago.

“Yeah, I am a little secret. What can I say? He's like, where are you going?”

Yeah, so anyway, I'd heard first heard about Nato kinase because of, I don't, like, supporting, uh, spike protein removal removal. Yeah. Yeah, so this was a big study. Doug, this is crazy. They took a thousand over a thousand COVID shot spike. Yes. I ain't COVID. Yeah. Yeah. Spiked protein. So it's part of that protocol that one doctor said that you could use to get rid of spike proteins. Yes. But that's not what the study shows.

So this is on arterial plaque and heart health that over a thousand people take, uh, Nato kinase, uh, for a year. I hope I said. I like you. So this is what they, this dude, this is wild. Every person had an ultrasound at the start and another at 12 months. The people who were taking 10,800, I don't know if you stands for per day. It's not what you think, Justin. It's, uh, it's a, it's a measurement. Doug looked at it for me. I'm, I'm surprised. I'm embarrassed. I don't know what

that is. Here's what they found. At that dose, carotid artery plaque shrank up to 36%

Wow. 36% arterial wall thickness decreased by 21% on average. The big numbers. 77% of the people showed measurable improvements in arterial wall thickness. 66% showed measure over reduction in plaque size. Improvement rates across all markers range from 66 to 95% of majority of all of that levels that sound total cholesterol went down LDL went down triglycerone went down HDL went up. This is like, do we even have a pharmaceutical drug that can, that has, that this is either as good

“or better? Well, that's what I'm saying. Do we, what would compare to that? Uh, there's a lot of”

uh, things you could take uh, to help on the pharmaceutical side. Yes. Like, but they all have side effects. There were no adverse effects recorded at all. Interesting. Yes. Uh, it's crazy. Now they co administered it with vitamin K2 and low dose aspirin, but uh, but that's it. Hybrid, fiber and nolytic units, fiber and nolytic units. I don't know what that was. Measures the potency and enzymatic activity. So it breaks down fiber in a protein involved in blood

clotting. Uh, dude, this is like, somebody's something that everybody should kind of take. What? Why would you not hurt? Hell profile. Yeah. Yeah. Pro, for heart health, this is remarkable. Uh, supplement. It's really, really good. Of course Doug doesn't shit. And this is, yeah, this guy's like, I'm trying to live a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. After one of us has a heart activity, but we'll do it. You should have been taking that, uh, I don't can ice, whatever.

“I'm going to tell you everything. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. But is that, is that remarkable?”

That's like a huge, uh, measurable effect on just like a sheep. Now, we don't have any sort of partnership or sponsorship or something. Who does that? Yeah. Well, I mean, Cabrol has, uh, yeah. Equal life. They have a, or do. In fact, one of his emails was highlighting the fact that this, you know, can address plaque build up. And, um, I responded to it and bought some. Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't tell you. I'm sorry.

Yeah. Well, I started taking it. Uh, you take it too. I just started taking it. Like, uh, yeah, I see so much. You got to listen to, you got to listen to the show. I'm, I'm, I'm less, I've got to listen. I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It could take him an hour and a half just to get through all the stuff that he takes. Uh, I don't want to hear anything. He's taken. I've been taking it for, uh, probably two months or three months or so. Uh, this was, I remember we did our, our full body scan.

It's still have yet to schedule. I'm actually going to go see a doctor soon because I want to schedule,

uh, one of those, uh, ultrasounds where they look at your, you know, all your arteries to see if you have any, any bill, just as a precaution, um, actually I have a family member who at my age had a heart attack, not that long ago, which is kind of wild. Yeah. And I just found another friend of mine at my age

“had cardiac arrest. So I think we're getting the age now. We start to hear these weird things. Yeah.”

So, uh, you know, usually supplements that would take in the past were related to muscle building or performance. Yeah. Now I'm more interested in kind of longevity stuff. Yeah. So for, for the past few months I've been taking, uh, not just things. Yeah. Yeah. Well, if you guys seen, I haven't watched SNL in a really long time, but there was like a clip and I was watching it and uh, it was

interesting because so they were trying to kind of dig at RFK and like a lot of the, the health

movement that he's making and kind of attacking big pharma and all that. And so there was just one sketch, which is, I mean, it was reasonably amusing, but it was like they're taking this guy through like the ER and the quick, give me a stake and then you know, a stake and inject them with metal and blue and yeah. And they're going through all these like things like we bring up is like, you know, like preventative like supplements and and they're just like throwing all that at them

and like totally like putting a dig in at, uh, uh, you know, this space and I'm sure it's like a dig at Joe Rogan and like, you know, all that kind of stuff, but it's, it was interesting for me to see like that other side of the culture that's like still, in the course, like we're not out here,

like promoting for interventions like on the, you know, Western medicines, amazing for, you know,

the safe and light trauma and like, yeah, it's like it's, it's silly and stupid. I know it's a joke, but it's, it's just kind of funny because that that puts it like that thought in, you know, other people that like have these pre-conceptions that like, oh, this is bullshit, you know, and it's like, does he fit in that category? No, it's not the same. Yeah, I have a news article.

“I'm going to read it just because, not because it's because I think we should talk about the news article,”

but I just want to see if I can read it without you guys laughing. Oh, yeah, so just possible. This is, this is a, it's real. This is a real news article. It's the most, the music title of everyone in my entire life. So, this is a ABC News Chicago quadruple amputee cornhole champion, the basic murder charges in fatal shooting. That's not real. Yeah, it is, yeah, the James is accused of fatally shooting the frenzy passages of vehicle during an argument

in La Plata, Maryland. So he's the quadruple amputee cornhole champion. We quadruple, he got norms from the legs. How did he shoot? He's got like, I think it's so as pictures, got arms like to his elbows. Okay. And yeah, dude, and so he's a champion at cornhole and then he shot someone. Wow. He's in trial. Yeah. There's, there's something that's, that's real. Yeah. I told you, professional cornhole. This is real. Wow. Wow. That's like you like put a bunch of things. I had,

I have a lot of questions like you could up there. There's a lot of stuff like that. Throw on cornhole. Yeah, I do. See? I don't, I don't, I don't shoot someone though. Like, there's, he's in it. I, well, we call him a professional cornhole. All of this is a mystery. He's easier. Yeah. Maybe that's how the argument started. Yeah. Yeah. But one that last match, the guy can make it true. You know, you can't. What? Blam. Yeah. Yeah. Let's take. I know we're laughing as terrible, but yeah,

“I remember it. So Maryland, Maryland. He said. Yeah. That's, that's absurd. You have to be so careful”

with the AI stuff, dude. Now. I know, dude. I had to do it all the time. I've sent things now where I'm like, I can't send anything anymore without, I'm like, it's so lame that I have to go do some Fox news. Real. Right. Yeah. I do. That's what this, so this was the, the, um, the, did you see the viral video of the lady acting like she was a dog in front of the grocery store on the dog attacker? Yes, the dog, you know, that was a. Yeah. I had to. Okay. So that was fake. New it. But it went viral like crazy.

And so many people coming out sharing it and thinking it was real. And then stuff just left because I could just imagine that really. I did. Yeah. So it looked. It looked really real. That it was plausible. And so I mean, that's how it gets you, right? It's like it's something that's plausible like that. And then it, and it does a good job. It's like, man, there's so much of this is going to be going on where people use just, will we, do you think, do you think you stopped sitting step for your buddies?

You know what's AI is doing. AI is detecting AI. I see that on X. So something will get posted. And then someone will underneath it say, Hey, grock is this real. And then grock will say, uh, there's 87% chance or whatever this is. Yeah. Yeah. So that needs to be that I feel like, uh,

you can scan it first before you share it. Yeah. It's like, it will just, it is kind of cool though,

“how, uh, it organically, we kind of self-police it though. Yeah. So like what you have to check the”

column. Oh, yeah, you check the comments a lot. A lot of times that you'll see, and that's my, my tell tell to go do a little digging as if I see a hand. If I see more than one person going on, other day, yeah. Like, oh, a lot of them just says. And then there's a picture that keeps you in a weird spot with that. There's a series of photos that people keep saying a real, but I can't believe that the real from the Epstein. Oh, yeah, with Stephen Hawking. Do,

it's in a dress. Oh, it's Bill Clinton. Did you look it up to see if it was real or not? One of them, people are saying it's real. One of them said, yeah, they screened it through a lot of the AI detection. And he said it was passed. Yeah. And he's like, he's like, bro, bro, did you see you? Yes. So Stephen Hawking is like, you know, but then he says like a little doll. There's other ones of the AI, it sees what they do. That's like information and disinformation. Look at that too.

“So, so that, that one is claimed as real, but there was another one recently where they had like”

Epstein Bill Clinton and so disturbing. I don't know if it was Bill Gates or not, but they're all like, hanging out with him like on the ground. Yeah. And you're like, it's so I feel like that they're going to add AI versions of like real pictures just to kind of convolut it all. Right, right. It's very

amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So is that saying it's real dog? Is it, say? I don't know. Oh,

you had it. You had it. It's like, I don't know what happened. Recent incidents. Look at that, that's really, yeah. They just just appeared off my mind. You're racing. I hate the internet. Recent, unsealed documents from the Jeffrey Epstein Investigative Result and Release of various photographs, including authentic images of Bill Clinton and Stephen Hawking as well as several AI generated fabrications. You see, so just to just wait a minute. Wait a minute. Okay. So that one's real.

They tried to discredit it by adding all these pictures of AI image. No, see, they're not the ones where he's dressed like a doll. Oh, the princess outfit they're saying is AI generated. Okay. Thank God. It's so disturbing. It's just weird. I mean, but that's the least disturbing out of any of the eyes. I was talking about with that. I wanted you to be on the rabbit hole. We talked about

when we walked through the day that the thing that I've never heard of until just recently. The

neurological thing that I was talking about the affent Asia. I think my saying that right now. I think it's

“definitely remember the term. Yeah. I think it's called, I think it's called Affent Asia or”

Affent, like APH. Okay. Like APA, like Affent, there it is, right there. APHA in. Oh, yeah. That sounded. Is the inability to voluntarily create mental images in the mind's eye? Often describe as a blank screen when attempting to visualize scenes objects or faces. It's a form of neurodiversity, which occurs in two to four percent of people. So, so two to four percent of people, if you tell them, hey, can you picture a car in your mind because they can't? Well, at all, at all, but there's actually a

sliding scale. So, that two to four percent is at all. Right. But a lot of people are somewhere on the spectrum of that. Like, so it's like, and there's, I don't know, Doug looks up like the graph, but the graph looks like at all is what two to four percent. And then a lot of people follow. So does that also mean that they can't, if you ask them to piece of paper to draw it out? Like, they can draw it, they can draw it, but they can't see it in their mind. Yeah. They can still, yeah. That's weird. Yeah,

there's a scale right there. See, not at all, then there's a two, then there's a three, then there's four. I was trying to figure out where I fell on that spectrum because I can see the red apple, but I can't see it to like the five or the, the one example. I can picture it, okay. Like, really, like, the five is like, deep like the shimmer off the apple. No, I'm probably in the middle. Yeah. That detail. So this is a form of neurodiversity. So yeah. I'm, I have a neurodivergent mind,

which, which has been labeled ADHD, but I don't think I really fit neatly in that category. We're interested, not just offended. Well, your, your ability to recall words is really fascinating. That's why I was really curious to bring it up to you because I was shared with my buddy and I who were talking about this, I was like, oh, I can't wait to read this up to Sal because he and I was explaining to him that, you know, the three of us can all read a study, the same exact study for the very first time,

together. And you asked me to recall it and I'll mess it up all over the place. Like, I won't be able to recall it exactly. And, and I'll need to have read it five to ten times, messed it up four or five times repeating it. And then finally it becomes like, I can explain it where you can do that. And then almost verbito. It's almost like, I need a story behind it for it to picture for me. Right. Right. Like, I've got to connect it to things. I got to apply it. I've got to teach you a few times.

It's like, yeah, that now I'm starting to get where I feel you can look at a study read it, and then ten minutes later. So I didn't know that was weird. My, my family would say I was

called me like they say I was walking in Cyclopedia. I don't know that was weird. But what I do know

“is weird is that I have such a terrible sense of direction that it's so frustrating. I get so disoriented,”

so easily. And I had a client once that worked in the, in that field. And I started explaining to her, how bad my sense of direction was. To the point where I was like, I said, you don't understand. I've driven to this place 500 times. I will have to use navigation every time. I won't know how to get there. And if I go and park in a, in a, in a, in a parking lot, and I walk in 10 feet, turn back around, I'll forget. I won't know where I am or what's going on. Yeah. And she told me that that was

a type of neurodiver. Actually, type of dyslexia, she said. Yeah. But just with law, no, I've seen really before. I've teased you before. We've, we've left our, our house that we've, we've owned for over eight, eight years. I don't know, like, do I go left or right? You can go either way, but yeah, you know, you know, this is your house. Yeah, that's your house. Yeah, that's really bad. So yeah, though, I'm bad too. I attribute mine, though, because I, I used to think I, I had that skill really

well, when I was younger, um, well, I'll tell you right now, I can't get home from here. You know that, right? You can't get home. You know, I could probably, I could probably figure it out, but it would be a really long way because there's a few places I know where to go. Yeah.

But the way that I always go home, I use navigation. If you told me right now, it's like the

power one out right now. It's like, my biggest fear. Yeah. That we lose power. Yeah. I won't be able to go home to be with my family. The poor kids and wife will be like, "Ah, the power is out." I'll be like, "Yeah, I mean, there's it." So when I go to the backway, right now, I'm driving the backway a lot. It's not that much difference. Maybe, like, 10 minutes at back, like, kind of country row where Doug is at. And I actually, so I still put it on, but I, I'm trying to train myself

to not to know all the back road kind of turns. And it is. It's like, it's like a muscle you have to train too because I know I used to be really good at that. But I've become so dependent like you where I just put it in. So mine isn't developed after navigation. We drove long enough without navigation. Then it exists. Yeah, every kids. Yeah. I would get lost. So you were, you were, you were, you were called out for, okay, yes. I recall bragging about how good I was at,

one time I go somewhere I got on, you know, like, I was actually terrified of getting, because I get lost so often. I said, he, he, he, he, he, he did, he did. If I miss a turn, oh God, here I go. I'm

lost now. I'm stuck. I'd have to ask for direct figure things out. When navigation first came out,

it was like, it was like a gift from God, man. It was like, oh God, think, finally, I can go places whereas, before I totally, totally screwed. It gets them all from my house. From where I grew up, to go to the mall, is one, two, three turns. Couldn't get there. Couldn't get there. It's crazy. That is funny. Anyway, I want to talk to you guys about the green juice. I had a message from someone who said it really helped with their anxiety. What? Yeah. So if it's the Oshawa Shaganda,

yeah, it's the Oshawa Shaganda. They were saying that they had an anxiety kind of on and off, kind of physical symptoms of anxiety and they started using the green juice for health, because they heard us talk about, we're going to find green juice and it went away and they started connecting the dots and said, oh my God, it's one of the best things I've tried for for feeling anxious. I want to know how organifi it makes Oshawa Gandhi taste good. Have you ever had

straight Oshawa Gandhi? Do you know what Oshawa Gandhi moved in? I think Oshawa Gandhi made, maybe it looked this up. It means horse piss. If I'm not mistaken, because it sounds like that.

“Yeah, I think this Oshawa Gandhi looked at up. Is that really more than horse tail or something like that?”

horse tail sounds, right? Yeah, obviously you guys have had. What does Oshawa Gandhi mean? I don't know why you don't have his Google anymore. He Googles history, neurodiet virgin, Google, Google, Google, Google. This is a middle Google. A smell of horse. It's smell of horse. This is what Doug will Google. Oshawa Gandhi info. I was typing in the origin of the Oshawa Gandhi name. But yeah, what does Oshawa Gandhi mean, Oshawa Gandhi?

I know. I know. I can't wait for this now, it's not fair. And you wonder why don't share it here? This is why he hordes all the secrets here. Yeah, he takes all the stuff and he takes all the stuff and he takes all of the stuff and he takes all the stuff. I'm going to save all this money. You can go back on it back at us for video. What did you Google?

“What did you Google? What did you Google? What did you Google? What did you Google? It sounds like you're doing it right?”

Yeah, yeah. Why is so bad Doug? You are the Google master though, everybody. You Google the fastest.

prompt different with AI. I got to figure that out. I don't use AI the way you're supposed to. I just use it like a Google. Yeah, it's actually a better Google, though. I like it. You really? Yeah, you prefer to AI like it? You prefer it? Oh, you like it better than Google. Yeah. Oh, by far. Oh, yeah. I've trained myself to use that more, because I still was like, you know, I would just use search engines for all that stuff and it's like, stupid. Have you?

There's me, give it to you. There's so many cool. We don't even use it. I mean, we're still getting better at like that. Like we have a sample right now. Like a Katrina and I were talking to our car insurance company and you know, he's trying to convince us to, which is separate from my house. And you get like a better deal. Yeah. If you you package the house with it and stuff like that. And Katrina's like, I don't want to do that because I'm so worried that we originally

negotiate there. There's coverage that I need to go through the contract. Do that it might do. Plug it in, input it into AI and have AI compare it for yourself. You're going to read all of it. Like literally just go like, give me the pros and cons of this one, give me the pros and cons of this one, compare the two of them and like the things that we can use it for, we still don't completely.

“You have to imagine, like, a really smart person. That's how you talk to it. So you be like,”

hey, I'm going to be flying into this place at this time. I have to be at this appointment at this time. I'd like to find things to do that are going to be fun in between. I'm with my 16 year old daughter. She's into this kind of stuff. What do you recommend? Yeah. Boop, boop, boop, boop. It'll tell you. And then the layers you can go for that. Because then it kicks off and you go like, oh, we'll keep the budget between this price and this price. And the driving distance,

I mean, you can just keep going. Have you guys asked your AI yet, if it knows who you are? No. Ask it, say, who am I? What do I do? And what are the things I'm going to? Well, in two, you will slow or anything you've ever done. Well, it'll tell you, and those who you are. It'll say Adam Schaefer, host the mind pump. Yeah. You have this, you have one try.

It's like picks up even, I haven't used it in the months and it just picks up like we never stopped.

“Yeah, you should ask it. Because mind you make. And I don't talk about any of my whatever.”

Yeah, it's like, oh, you're so stuff. Well, I know that we were just, I was talking about my buddies. This, how good the, the TV listening and phone listening stuff is. I mean, it's on a, it's so creepy. It's on another level now that, and it's, we were talking about this. My buddy's reading like the Snowden book. And he was, he was talking about this while we were hanging out this last weekend. And he's like, he's like, that was part of Snowden was talking about that stuff a long time ago,

right? And so we've all kind of known. It's been happening for a really long time, but the level of sophistication that it's at now is, is crazy. It'll be, there'll be something super

obscure like that I've either never talked about or Katrina and I haven't had a, had a conversation

at least in the years that we've known each other about. And we'll have a conversation about and then like turn our TV on and it's like recommending a documentary related to it or so, and it's just like dude, come on. Yeah, like this is not just like random. Yeah, it's so like way in a left field or a pull up your computer screen and all of a sudden you're getting an advertisement for, but like, we're, he was using the exact was like dude, my wife and I were literally just talking about, oh, we didn't take the

kids are getting older. We should take them camping, isn't that? He goes 15 minutes later on my computer. I was just like, tense for sale. And this, like all, like, I turned it all. It's, it's like, Jesus reminds me of this comedian, the stand-up comedian. I forget his name. He's, he's really funny, but he, like one of his bets was just like, right in the middle, he's just like, I want to buy a humongous dildo. You know, he just keeps like repeating it over and over and over, he's like, you're

welcome. It was like, ah, you're gonna go home and have all these kids just now. Yeah, hey, you're

“welcome. Yeah, it's, did you know that the US government used, which plant here? I think that you”

used plant here to hit the first 1000 targets or something like that. Do you want to hear? Plant

Palantir, sorry, in Iran. So they used the AI to find targets. And like it was so accurate, they're now outfitting everything with AI to be able to find targets. Maybe go, maybe look at up the, you know, government using Palantir for targets in Iran. I'll just tell you what. I'll just do it. Yeah, verbatim. Don't put the Palantir information. Yeah, those kids take it shot a little bit just catch a straight day. I feel like Iran right now. Wow. Wow. Wow. Too much.

Based on reports, March 2026, US military, you're like utilizing artificial intelligence technology from Palantir, specifically it's Marvin Smart System, Maven. Maven, sorry. To identify and prioritize targets in Iran, this technology often referred to as AI-driven kill chain. Let's see, one of the cells has been used to significantly speed up targeting process, allowing the military to process vast amounts of intelligence data to strike hundreds of targets in a short time. Wow. Yeah, cool.

Yeah, not unsettling at all. No, not at all. And by the way, we have something releasing on Sunday.

host programs. Yeah. Push, please. And he bets. Let's take a pat on where it lands. Let's take a pat on it. In the context of just, yeah, your company. So,

“compare it to launches. We've done so many programs. I think we all predicted some do. It'll be a”

good one, right? What do you think it will in comparison? We'll talk to top three, top five, top ten, top five, top five, top five, you say. God, what's top three, muscle mommy? Yeah, Master 15, and a ballic, and a ballic, then anore aesthetic would be right there, too. That would be the top five. I'd say top five. People are asking for a PPO split forever. Yeah. And this is the

first time that we've done a, a maps PPO for men and for women. So, the program is a little different.

So, we programmed it differently for women based on what they're typically interested in, which is more lower body volume, more glute focus and shorter focus than let's say. If you need to see this see if women bought more than men, which, oh, good, right? Like, I bet you that's going to be the case. We have a pretty split split. So, when I look at the analytics on buyers and maps programs, it's, it's, it's pretty. You know, if the girls beat you guys, I saw them saying,

calling you guys out right now. Yeah, that's, it's a really, it'll be really interesting to see if more men, by the women or vice versa. But it's the first time we've done that. So, we'll get, you can buy one that's programmed for what men typically want to work on, and one for what women typically want to work on. And then probably the coolest thing that we're doing that is unique, we've only done it one other time is the coaching that's coming along with it. Right.

So, yeah, three days of course. So, that's really helpful. So, Cole's launching that with it.

“And so, by the way, like, it's within, I think, three days. So, after the launch,”

I believe, Wednesday, it'll be live right away. The coaching will be live with it. So, soon as soon as you pick up the program, it's free. It's part of it. You'll be able to join that. If you can't make the times, there'll be a recording and you'll be able to access it. But if you

want to be live on there and ask questions, it's also the first time a program has come with

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A first question is from Lindsay D 2015. I am training to be a spin instructor and currently

made it through my first round of auditions. I'm hoping to coach twice a week, but I'm currently cycling three times a week and running anabolic. And I'm struggling with recovery. I'm 29 years old, mom of two. I've been weight training five days a week for eight years. What are some tips on

“structuring my week so I can do it all? You can't. Yeah, you need to reduce that.”

You can do it all. So spin is very intense. Very intense. Lots of stress on the body. Maps at a ball. Even if you do the two week, a two-day week version, you're now competing, strong endurance signal from spin, which spin is intense. So I could just a leisurely bike ride. With maps and I'm not going to work. It's just not going to work. You might be able to get away with maps 15 or one day a week maps anabolic. And then feed your body and feed in no more stuff.

That's it. Three days a week of spin. One day a week of strength training or three days a week of spin maps 15 and make sure you hit your protein target or less speed. Yeah, but she's trying to be ever spin instructor. So I'm sure that's not going to happen. I mean, for this person who's going to be a spin instructor. Your strength training routines are going to be one day a week or maybe maps 15. That's it. I mean, that's most likely. If you're going to be doing three or more days

of teaching spin and doing spin, you'll only really need one day of strength training or one day broken up over. The hardest, the people that I had working in my gym that had the toughest time building muscle where my spin instructor. Yeah, they all had it. And why? Because it would teach so many classes. Yeah, three, four classes a week, five classes up to volume. And if you've ever done a spin class, it's like, it's all hype motivation intensity. That's that's what they're all

it's not going to work. Next question is from Midwest sweetheart. Do I have a higher caloric need

as a full-time mom of a two-year-old or is stress just sabotaging my goals? So if you're not getting your goals and your question is, I'm not hitting my goals, is it because I need to eat more,

“is it because you need to do less? I would need more information. I need more info. Yeah,”

you're good answer. I would need more information. But the fact that you're asking this question tells me that you probably do need to eat more and do a little less. So typically when I'm training or working with a full-time mom who's coming to me and saying, man, I have a lot of stress. You know, what do I need to do? Your strength training routine would look like mass 15. And I'd make sure you hit your protein targets and then walk and know additional crazy workout

stuff. And you'll know it's working because you're getting stronger. I mean, that's the best advice based off of the information we got that was running right now. Because obviously, like, if her goal was to lose weight, then maybe it's, and she's not hitting her goals. Maybe has nothing to do with eating more calories. But if you're having, if your goals were to build strength and build muscle and you're not, then it most likely you need to be fed more or reduce

“the stress by like a map 15 program versus something that's higher volume and intensity. So I think”

the way you said it is the best we can with what we got. Totally. Next question is from Justin JD99. What is your advice on a blue-collar maps program? Maps 15 works great. But I wonder if a powerlifting slash performance mix would be a better approach to help day-to-day construction life? Well, you're in luck. We have 15 minute versions of that. We have maps 15 performance. Sure, if you know, and maps 15 powerlifting. Maps grade eight would be another good option for you.

For people, you know, blue-collar workers are very active. And so they rarely need more activity, but strength training is a good idea. Believe they are not, this is not that much different than answering the question regarding the spin instructor thinks they need to do more. Like, you're already a very active person doing physical labor. You don't need to send a super loud signal to build muscle. And if you push it too much, you're more likely to get trapped in

that kind of recovery state that Sally talks about versus actually adapting and growing and building muscle. And so a map 15 protocols probably the protocol I would keep this person in and then cycle through the different programs. And we have a problem and a performance one. Yeah, and you can even venture to try like the symmetry 15 only because a lot of times there's over use within some of these trades where you're getting a lot of activity just on one side. Just kind of address that

balance that out with symmetry a big idea. Next question is from big rigs gym ground. How do you stop the cycle of constantly starting and stopping if you're just bored with the workouts or one day of skipping cascades into weeks or months? Typically, this is because you're doing too much too

“soon. And that's why you're stopping. Also, I want to just encourage people like, yeah, it's good”

to follow a structured program, especially if it's well programmed. But second place is just working out. So long as you're not doing things that are in a hurt year. So if you're like, I'm bored with today's workout. I'm looking at what today's workout and I'm bored. Okay. You can do the not workout or just do something else. Yeah. Even if it's not ideal, you're doing something. Yeah, think to yourself like, what would I enjoy doing? I'm at the gym or I'm going to go to the gym today.

I'm supposed to squat. I'm supposed to, you know, remedy deadlift. I'm supposed to bench press. And I'm bored of doing that. What should I do? Go in there and do something you enjoy rather than skipping. I like what you said first, but I think this tends to be the more common thing.

You know, someone who says a statement like this where you're always, you're all, you're all in

or you're all out, type of deal. That is what typically happens. Like you're motivated. And so you're training five days a week, type of deal. And then you're not motivated. So you skip a day or missed the two days and then the two days, turns into weeks and you're off the wagging and you're on and off. And a lot of times that's just a little bit over committing yourself to too much too soon. So instead of being on or off and on looks like all these days working out, it's like,

you just become the person that, you know what? I'm going to always make sure I squat every week. At least one time, you know, for five sets or something like it didn't into your point. It doesn't pick whatever you want. Pick an exercise that you enjoy doing and become the person that

always just does that thing and then be consistent with that and then add another thing and then

add another thing. I think we tend to do this like because we're motivated right now, we do as much as we can. And that's unrealistic for you to keep that momentum and consistency. And so build something that is something you can be very consistent and then build on that. I think is a

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