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>> Hello, everyone, and welcome to Positively Legal. I'm Mark Eiglar, she's a veteran defense attorney, former prosecutor, at Jump Law Professor. I know Jonah wants me to speed this up, so I will mention that I'm an avid pickleball player, also, and my lovely co-host, her name is.
>> Jonah, stillborn, and I wore your wall today, Mark. >> I'm also a criminal defense attorney, and founder of Johnus Ovorlaw.
“Might I add midnight shopper and cat whisperer to my many?”
>> You may, you may do that. Listen, I'm very excited about today's show, John. We got some really cool stories to talk about, and someone great to interview. On Positively Legal today, we're going to talk about a, the case of an only fans creator who was charged with the death of one of her clients,
who like you as into fetish. >> Yes, no, no, okay. And we'll also examine the story of a teacher who was arrested for merely posting something on her Snapchat. >> Nearly.
>> Nearly. We'll discuss what exactly she posted, we call that a tease in the industry. What do you have, Jonah?
>> Well, later in our second segment, we, I'm so excited about this.
We have New York Times' bestselling author, an entrepreneur, Kevin Trudeau, who's going to be joining us to share his story, the highs, the lows, and how we can all take control of our health, wealth, and freedom. >> Yes, the famous infomercial guy, I remember three in the morning listening to some of his pitches, I can't wait to hear about what he's been up to.
And, Jonah, your favorite part of the show, you get to metaphorically drink, right? It's happy hour in this car, baby. Here we go, let's drink, come on, come on, what do you got?
“>> Oh, that's what you're going, okay, I got this.”
>> Okay, so we both kind of showed up here today, Mark, forgive me because I know you get into your spiritual side and sanctity. >> I certainly try. >> We both kind of showed up here today, a little bit drained, shall we? >> Yes, yes.
>> Yes, why? >> Well, because we don't sit around wearing makeup waiting for the show all day, we actually work, do we not? >> No, no, no. >> Well, I do both.
I do both. >> Well, how was your day, tell us what, give a little taste to the audience as to what you actually did as a criminal defense attorney? >> Okay, so I have to complain about something and I'm going to title it. >> I'm going to preface this by saying I'm not complaining about a client and even if I
wanted to we really can't, right, Mark, because we can't disclose any sort of client confidence or anything. We can complain about cases, don't get the change. >> Choose the names and just, you know, keep it real, go ahead. >> This is a little different.
I want to know if you've ever experienced it, so have a client who has a parent, the client is an adult, the client is such an adult that the client has kids of her own, but the client has a parent who routinely emails the office, pretending to be the client. >> Oh, pretending to be the client.
>> You lost me a pretending, of course they always call the email, I'm like, listen, you're
not the client, if he's okay with it, right? >> If you're pretending to be, pretending to be the client and screwing up everything that we are doing. >> That's a problem. >> It is a problem.
It is a problem. >> I say you take that client to a soccer game, show them what boundaries are. >> No. What about, or a pickleball match? >> Yeah.
>> So, you know what, I want to say that some days I wake up, right, we come to the office and I feel like so grateful and so happy that I get to do what I do every day. And then there are days when I show up and I'm like, the soul is just being sucked out every opportunity. And today was one of those soul sucking, I'm with you.
>> I'm with you. >> Listen, you know what that'll stop, that'll stop when you're in a coma, you're dead,
or you finally become a sociopath, human beings go through that.
It's okay to have those days, I had one of those days today. I'm challenged constantly. We fight for a living, John, it's exhausting. Nobody says, here's money, Mark, come in second place, it's okay. They want a win and it's draining, it just is.
And then the self-imposed stuff, it's too much. Today, I've been preparing all day for a deposition that I'm taking tomorrow. We get those here in Florida where we get to actually bring in the alleged victim. In this case, at the Antonio Brown case, and that victim, I will be deposing tomorrow at 10am. And I am prepared, we have a standard ground hearing that's set in a couple of months,
“that deposition is going to be key, so I've been preparing for that, it's been a little stressful.”
What else? Also, I actually have a standard ground hearing going tomorrow on a teenager, I mentioned
It in our last podcast, I'm going to play the video next next time.
Next remind me, I will play the actual video, I just want the standard ground hearing
to go down, but I've been preparing all day for it, and it's exhausting, it's reading every line of every report and every deposition, and carefully crafting your cross-examination of the alleged victims, it's exhausting.
“Now, to me, that's fun, that it's fun, like I would have a great day if that's what I”
were doing today, instead of feeling fake emails from a client's father, got it, you know, it's also fun talking about people who are into fetish. Can we talk about it? Are you going to share? No, no, I'm going to let you share.
Okay. All right, I'm going to go on record and saying, I must be really boring because I don't have any fetishes, this fetish that we're going to be discussing, this case that happened involving a fetish actually makes me, it's really sick to think about, but okay, yeah. Here we go.
Only fans, I'm sure you're on there quite a lot, right? Yes, I think credit cards are correct, no, no, no, no, no, definitely, maybe, no, go. No, go.
But people make money often, and I guess you're--
Millions. Kind of cleanly do it, I don't know, I don't know, explain to them what it is. Some people do not know what only fans are doing. So what I believe only fans is to be is a sort of a subscription website where you pay money to watch somebody do something, and it can be sexual, but it doesn't have to
be for my understanding. Most of the time it is, I mean, but it could be weird stuff, yes. If somebody has a foot fetish, you can get paid to show your feet. Right. And you're making millions of COVID like that.
COVID launched the career of these people, I have a friend who does just that, he represents only fans. Oh, I was going to say you have a friend who just does only fans because I'm probably doing as well. I'm probably doing as well.
I'm just a ball.
Where are you when you're on that court?
Come on. I'm going to read to a homicide. How are we? How do we get there?
“So here's the problem, and some of our viewers might remember, we did talk about this”
case before the plea a while back on MK True Crime. So the defendant's name is Michaela Ryler's dam, probably mispronouncing that, even though we just went over it. She had a client. Right.
She was an only fans model. She had a client who Michael Dale wanted her to do some pretty sick and kinky things, including wrapping his head in plastic wrap, gluing his eyes shut with gorilla glue. I mean, who hasn't, I mean, come on. I mean, Ray.
A little judge, she, little judge on your part. Yeah. Friday night, you're just trying to, you know, blow off some steam, glue, women shoes onto his feet. So long story short, the part that really didn't mean is she did this.
She wrapped his head in plastic wrap. That his request to the point where he suffocated to death. Oh. Yeah. So, so the police, obviously, were called.
They see the bag over this guy's head, duct tape over his mouth, plastic wrap, shrouding all of them. And they obviously determined this to be a homicide, go figure, and she was the main culprit.
“So, what happened here was that I think part of her defense was, he wanted me to do this.”
So, what's the problem? Is it not a good defense to this? There were, there were some text. We actually have a thought, I think, that has some text messages between the defendant and the victim.
Can we play someone? The nature of it was Mr. Dale asking, Ms. Rihler's damn, to do certain things for him, he was asking her to buy boots and glue them on his feet with the real glue. He was asking her to buy gel do, glue them in his mouth. And he also asked her to pull the glue in his eyes to glue them shut so that she was
the last girl that he would ever see. And based on these text messages, were you able to tell whether Mr. Dale was offering money and exchange for these acts? Yeah, yeah. So, what we've used for somebody and I remember how much it was done.
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Welcome back to positively legal. Joining us now is New York Times bestselling author, entrepreneur and host of the Kevin Trudeau show. Kevin Trudeau before we officially say hello, I want to bring you down a little trip down memory lane.
Take a look. You've seen Kevin as he hosts the ever present television infomercial series. Vantage point. But you may not know that Kevin is one of the most dynamic businessmen and entrepreneurs in American history.
The Chicago Tribune deemed him the king of infomercials. By the book, it's unconditionally guaranteed if you have cancer, heart disease, acid reflux asthma, arthritis, depression, attention deficit disorder. You name the disease. It's covered in here.
Dead Cures 2. It's a brand new book which teaches you the secrets on how to get out of debt. If you have credit card debt, this will teach you how to lower your interest rates on your credit cards. Kevin Trudeau's free money they don't want you to know about.
It's streamlined and it's simple and I'll show you how to get money. A multi-millionaire. He is truly one of America's great success stories. Kevin, that was a nice trip down memory lane for me because I remember you being in my living room. All the time, every day, back in the 90s.
“And I think a lot of people listening to us will too.”
And I want to start with, pick up your story with that. I mean, you are a best-selling author. You seem to burst onto the scene with these books promising Cures and secrets that they didn't want you to know. And people ate them up for good reason.
And you sold millions of copies over 50 million copies.
You made a full load of money and you were doing great.
Let's start with that.
How you started.
“How you burst onto the scene with all of this information that was so helpful to so many consumers.”
Well, I really had no plan on terms of writing books or marketing and things like this.
I was learning disabled when I was in school. I virtually flunked out of high school. I mean, I graduated. I got a diploma. I was tongue-tied and I studied.
I couldn't communicate with people. My dad was a welder. I didn't come from a wealthy family. I was actually very lucky to meet a mentor when I was very young. Who was a wealthy person in a society of wealthy people.
And he taught me a 40 point algorithm on how to manifest. We didn't call it manifesting back then. We call it how to set goals and achieve them or how to build a fortune or how to create the life you want. So I learned this recipe. If you want, I was a pretty good student.
I actually followed the recipe and started becoming successful. I started working and starting businesses and in direct marketing and direct mail.
“But because of my issues, I had a terrible memory.”
When I met a guy who was a memory expert, I took his course. And I thought everyone needs to improve their memory. That was my first course that I sold on television. Mega memory. How to improve your memory.
We sold $450 million worth of memory improvement courses.
But it wasn't a plan. It was like this worked for me. Oh, my gosh. Let me share with my friends and family. It worked for them.
Oh, my gosh. This is something that everyone really needs as well. And that's how that perpetuated. How do you learn about marketing, though? Like, okay, you learn, you know, certain things.
But to become a marketing expert. How did you learn that? Yeah, back in the '70s, there was a few books being offered for sale. One was called The Lazy Man's Way to A Fortune by Joe Carbo. And another one was seven steps to freedom.
How to escape the American rat race by a guy named Ben Schwarz. Both taught direct mail. And I read those and ate it up by some other guys as well. And I learned how to write ad copy because I couldn't speak. I remember I was tongue tied and studded.
And I was so shy. I couldn't even go into a room full of people. I was desperately afraid of rejection. So writing ad copy and writing ads was really something that I could do because I was behind the scenes. And I just gravitated to her that because I wanted to become successful.
And back then, there wasn't an internet. So direct mail or writing little classified ads and newspapers was really a road for somebody who didn't have any money. You know, I'd saved up some money from my paper out and shoveling snow. So I could actually buy some ads and kind of build my business and pyramid the profits. And that's how I got into marketing.
And I just had an acc for it.
“You do have an acc for it because I think one of the reasons why you sold so many books and why you solved so many problems”
is I loved the sort of bad boy. The cures they don't want you to know. The secrets they don't want you to know. And while you don't come out and say the day, right, was the government or the day was big farmer. And people were probably looking for alternatives to what they thought was mainstream ways to lose weight.
mainstream ways to supplement yourself. And I think that was very attractive to people. And it had to be because you sold so many damn books. But at this point, the government came and said, you know, the people love you. But us not so much.
Can you talk a little bit about when you got on their radar? By them, I mean, the government or the FTC, whoever else was trying to take you down eventually and we'll get there. When did that begin? Yeah, it actually started. If you remember a product called hooked on phonics, 1-800 ABCDEFG.
And the reason a Shawshan Shanahan started that company is that the Department of Education decided to take phonics out of the school system. Really to dumb down the kids. That's kind of the conspiracy theory. But, you know, there's a lot of truth to that. So they took phonics out of the school system and replaced it with a look seam at that.
So the kids really would have a hard time reading. So Shawan said, I'm going to offer a home study course on phonics. And I was really exposing the Department of Education for taking phonics out of the school system. Well, the government sued Shawan Shanahan and bankrupted him and they sued me as well. Because we were exposing what was going on in government.
They didn't like people who have influence. You know, as you mentioned, I was on TV virtually every day. I had more impressions and anybody on television back in the 90s, including Oprah Winfrey. So I was a major influencer and my book sold tens of millions of copies. And even if people didn't read the books, they still watched the shows, which are all live shows.
And I was the first guy to basically say, hey, the pharmaceutical companies are publicly traded companies.
Their goal is to keep you sick. They want you to buy drugs. They don't want you healthy. Healthy people don't buy their product. There's a conflict of interest.
And I talked about fluoride in the water. High fructose corn syrup.
I talked about ultra-processed foods.
Talcom powder. If you put it on your skin would cause cancer. I was crucified by NBC. They said, that's absolutely alive. And of course, now, they're the ones who are saying that it absolutely is true.
So those were the, that's the reason why the government came after me. The people that purchased the books, loved the books. They recommended to others. They were all New York Times best sellers or number one New York Times best sellers.
And the results of people got, they're pretty amazing.
Yeah, absolutely. You were identifying problems that everyday people are having. You solved them with information that they didn't have access to prior to that. You're not going to sell 50 million copies of any book that isn't solving a problem. You just not.
So we're, we're, I want to ask them.
“Were any of the claims at all misrepresentations or unsubstantiated like the FTC alleged?”
Yeah, interesting. I just had a podcast in Beverly Hills last week. And the gal on the podcast said, let me go to chat GPT and find out what claims you made. And she was like 28 of them. She said, "Talcom powder, you are right.
High fruit those corn syrup, you're right. Florida in the water, still debatable, but leaning toward that you are right." Trampalines or mini rebounders. Will you jump up and down on the rebounder? Spectacular exercise back then.
They were crucifying me saying that it was dangerous to jump on a mini trampoline. And when I said that it was a good exercise for the body. And there's a list of she was rattling them off. So there really wasn't anything in there that I said. I said that, listen, people have nutritional deficiencies.
They need to basically address those nutritional deficiencies.
And they're putting toxins in their body. And I even quoted Dr. Herbert Lay, who was the past director of the FDA. And he's the one who said that people, more people die from drugs. Drugs, pharmaceutical, prescribed drugs than from the diseases they're being used to treat. And he pointed out that nobody died of acne.
But people die from taking prescribed acne medication. Nobody dies from wrinkles on their forehead. But people die every year from getting Botox injections, which is botulism. So I was pointing out things. I was pointing out things that nobody dared talk about.
I remember when I went on NBC with Matt Lauer. He was the big guy back then in Katy Curric. He said, listen, you can't talk about the drug companies. They're a biggest advertiser. So just sell a lot of books, but leave the drug companies out of the conversation.
And I don't remember the first question that Matt asked. But I remember my answer was pretty much like Matt. That's not the question.
“The question is, why did you just tell me two minutes ago?”
Don't talk about the drug companies because they're your biggest advertiser. That's the reason why I'm here. And that's the reason why I bought this book. Because I'm saying things that nobody dared to say, because there's too much money at stake. And of course, you know,
the proverbial crap hit the fan. Yeah, it did. But you had a pretty good run before that happened. Yes, unless it was the government crawling up your butt. Part of me, like, immediately after you started publishing these books,
or did it take a while, what was the thing that sparked their interest? And how did they let you know? Like, they knocked on your door. They sent your registered letter. What did they do to let you know that day?
It was pretty fascinating. It was pretty fascinating. I was offering the mega memory home study course, which was very successful. And people absolutely loved it.
To this day, I cannot walk anywhere. Any restaurant was somebody won't come up to me and said, You're the memory guy. I bought your memory course back in the '90s, and I loved it in so far and so on.
I hear that all the time. So that, in that course, I was exposing to the Department of Education. I was exposing Ridlin. I said, you know, it's crazy that in schools, they have meds being passed out to the children like it's candy.
And they're trying to get all these kids on 80, demedication or ADHD medication, as well as, you know, putting fluoride in the water and taking phonics out of the school. That was the one that got the heat.
And I got the phone call. From the politicians via the lobbyists to say,
“Look, you need to stop saying this and you need to make some payments”
to the politicians via the lobbyists. Otherwise, you're going to get in trouble. I didn't pay attention. I got louder with that message. And then one day, I got a lawsuit.
And here's what the lawsuit said.
The lawsuit said, you're selling the mega memory home study course, and you're making unsubstantiated and undocumented claims as to its benefits. And I said, in court, I said, really? You never asked me to provide the documentation
and substantiation that I have for every statement that I've made. I have 150 bankers boxes here that were bringing it to court with all of the studies, documentation, and substantiation. You guys are the fraudsters because you made the allegation without even asking me to provide it.
First, you didn't even do an investigation.
This is a political witch hunt and everybody knows it.
“That case was settled with no finding of wrongdoing on my part.”
No find and nothing. But it wasn't the end. And they told me you can't go down this road. I mean, we had private sidebar meetings. Actually, we had a meeting in chambers with the judge,
which I can't even talk about because we'll get me in massive amounts of trouble, where I was told certain things.
And I decided to basically continue exposing
corporate and government corruption at the highest levels in this area. And today, I mean, make America healthy again, movement whether you are buying into it or not. At least it's exposing almost everything that I said in the book that I wrote in 2005, Natural Cures.
I was going to say that. You were really ahead of your time because most of the things you said are things that RFK Jr is saying now. And if he were around, then he probably would have hired you to be on a staff. And that's going to, and I do know that you have it.
I don't want to jump ahead, but I know that you're going to be coming out with your own line of supplementation, which I'm also really interested in. So, but I wanted to jump back for a second because one of the other things I find fascinating about you was, you know, you basically said to the government, go scratch appropriately so.
But they said, not so fast and they really shut you up and they shut you up. I eventually locking you up for contempt of court. Can you tell us about that? This was the greatest, I'll tell you what. I got Hollywood beating down my door because I want to produce, you know,
a Netflix series. Because this is the most unbelievable story of all time. Here I am. I wrote a book called Natural Cures.
It's a first amendment protected book.
And I mean, you can write a book that says the moon is made of cheese. It doesn't matter what you write. It's protected by the first amendment. People don't have to buy it. And if they buy it, they don't like it. They can get a refund. But it's a first amendment protected book.
They came after me and said, you are making misrepresentations about your book. About the contents of the book. I said, I'm reading the book. I'm reading from the book when I go and sell it on television.
“How could I be misrepresenting the contents of the book?”
And that was also the book, the weight loss cure they don't want you to know about. Where I expose the Dr. Simmons HTT protocol. So they couldn't get me for fraud. They didn't charge me for fraud. They didn't charge me with deception or any type of crime. They charged me with contempt of court because in one of my settlement agreements,
it says that I won't misrepresent the contents of a book in a TV show or when I appear on radio or television. Well, of course, I'm not. I'm going to expose my opinions and read excerpt of the book. So it's impossible to misrepresent the contents of the book if I'm reading excerpts of the book. Well, it didn't matter because the judge said he was going to find me guilty.
He wasn't going to read any of my briefs. And he did. He found me guilty of contempt of court. And he said, if I plead guilty, he'll give me a maximum of six months in prison. If I agree, just to stop talking about the book on TV. And he said, well, I'm not necessarily saying we're going to give you six months,
but I'll give you a maximum. I said, no, I'm not going to plead guilty because I did nothing wrong.
I expect my first amendment constitutional rights.
And I'm not going to stop talking about this book on television. I have a constitutional right to express my opinion. He then gave me 10 years in a federal penitentiary. Kevin, hold on. And weren't you, weren't you, weren't you given a jury trial? I read, and again,
I'll let you tell me what's real and what's not because I wasn't personally there. My information is limited to what I'm reading. So I'm so glad you're here, okay? So first, if this is federal court, you would have a jury trial, which would mean you'd have 12 jurors who aren't part of the government.
They come in and they're determining whether you committed a crime or not.
“And unanimously, they found that you did, isn't that accurate or not?”
Yes, I had a jury trial, and in the jury trial, I was forbidden to use the word First Amendment as my defense. And I was also forbidden to use as a defense to fact that everything that I did was reviewed by my attorneys. And I was also forbidden by the judge, by the judge, to use as a defense
to fact that I sent all the shows to the federal government in advance, and said, "Before I run them, if there's any issue, please let me know so I can address it." So he wouldn't let me use my defense. So I had nothing to say.
So basically, you're hearing one side of the story. It was almost like a grand jury, where you can basically indict a ham sandwich. So the trial was categorically a joke because there was no defense. It was nothing I could say. Yeah, it sounds like, it sounds like, yeah, your position is that you weren't given a fair trial
because your hands were tied behind your back. I hate that feeling. Is that how you feel? Is that what I did?
Well, it was clearly that.
And if you look at the response from top legal experts around the country at that trial, it wasn't me saying that. I mean, some of the top legal minds were saying this was a joke. They thought it would be overturned and appealed. They thought it would be overturned.
But it wasn't. It wasn't. No. No. It was a firm by the appeals court.
The contempt of court. Because contempt of court, as you know, is in the constitution. And one of the things that makes it unique is the judge has discretion. So because the discretion language is so broad for the trial judge in in contempt of court findings, there was really nothing for the appellate court to overturn.
So it was affirmed.
“And I got, I believe it was the longest sentence in the history of America for contempt of court ten years,”
which, as you know, contempt of court is not technically a felony or even a misdemeanor. It's my Latin's not so good, but I think it's serigiriitis, which is a thing of its own. And ten years for writing a book that the government didn't like that 50 million people loved. I think it's a little bit harsh. I agree.
And I think in 2026, we now know having survived the last eight or ten years that the government doesn't always
fly right. And we've learned that. We didn't know it so much maybe 30 years ago, but we know it now. And here's where your story for me takes a really fascinating turn. Because every time I listen to you a lot and every time I hear you talk about the stint in prison and how you used it to complete your latest book and how you were okay with it.
You didn't, you didn't hate it. You embraced it. I'm like, wow, that takes a special kind of person. And one of the reasons why you say, how do you say it? Nothing happens to you.
The universe doesn't do anything to you. It does things for you. And that is the principle that you rely on when you went into the clinic.
“And I say the same thing Kevin, I think it does important.”
So it sounds like you accepted what happened and you made the best of it. Is that what you did? Yeah, without any bitterness and we can point fingers, but I think that's just a waste of time. At the end of the day, you have to take responsibility for everything happened in your life. And it's nobody's fault except me.
I made the decisions. I didn't do anything wrong. There was no fraud or deception and there was no customers that were deceived in any way. And we know that because they continue to buy the book and they recommend it to others. So everyone liked my book.
So that wasn't an issue. And I felt that what I was doing was right.
The fact that I had to spend 10 years in prison for basically breaking this glass ceiling.
And now everybody's talking about what I talked about. I mean, it's all over the podcast and everything. And I remember getting calls from Deepak Chopra and Mike Adams, the health ranger and all these other guys saying Kevin. Why are you talking about the drug companies in the FDA? You're all going to get us all in trouble.
The government's going to go after us and try to shut us up. Don't do that. Don't do that. And I said, look, someone's going to basically take the heat and lead the charge here.
“And once this happens, I think the doors will open and will all be better off.”
So I did the 10 years. And for me, you know, it was an exciting adventure. People have a hard time grasping that. You know, the government took everything away from me that wiped me out. But that's fine.
They didn't take away my ability to create. And when you read the book by Victor Frankle, man search for meaning, I think I pushed things in perspective. He was in an Nazi concentration camp. Wondering every day if he was going to be sent to the ovens.
And he handled it. I thought, if he can handle that, I'm living in paradise here at federal prison camp. Montgomery Alabama compared it. So I took advantage of the time to rest and rejuvenate. Do yoga every day, meditate every day, study some languages, play bridge.
My bridge game got really good exercise. And really meet interesting people from a variety of cultures, you know. People that I would have never met before, whether it was Jeff Skilling from Enron or Jesse Jackson
Jr. or the guy who doesn't never graduated second grade.
And he's a gangbanger, killing people with his AK-47s and a drug dealer. And I'm playing cards with them and getting to know how he thinks and the culture he grew up in. And it was I think the best education and opportunity of my life. And I took advantage of it. While you were in there, you finished your latest book.
You're a wish is your command, which I have in audio version. I also have the guru keg. Oh wow. I wrote all those lessons in prison. I wrote all those lessons in prison.
That's what that's what I know. When I try to read what every day over coffee. I have to ask you a personal question because this is something on my mind. You said that part of the reason why the universe allowed you to go to prison is because you were asking to sort of have the time, the freedom to do these things.
To write these books and to do the other things that you wanted to do.
And I want to know what you would say to somebody who says,
All right, if the universe is always doing things for me.
But you know, and I want to clear the decks and I want to pivot in my career. I want to make a change. But I don't want to have to go to prison to make that happen. Right. What was you say to a person in those shoes?
Well, for Christians out there, even Jewish folks in the Old Testament, it says, if you are a willing and obedient to the word of the Lord, you'll eat the good of the land and succeed in everything you do. And there's two words there. If you go back to the original Hebrew, which actually comes from Canaanite,
willing and obedient, which means do what you're kind of told, which is follow your intuition. But also not just do it, but be willing. So in my particular case, when I made the decision, and I was being led or felt that this was the right thing to do,
I was in alignment with it, it resonated with me. Okay, so I was kind of following that.
“But was I willing to pay the price or deal with the consequences?”
And I think you have to. When you do, then the journey is the reward. Now, no one has to go to prison. That's an extreme case, obviously, in my particular case. For a lot of good reasons.
But they have eight and a half years. I got to 10 years sentence. I did eight and a half. But to take eight and a half years, and to be able to have the time to write those books and write those lessons, which I wrote also another course called the Science of Personal Mastery Course, which is like that thick.
And I wrote this entire codified PhD course on releasing abilities and manifesting and creating the life you want. There's nothing on the planet like it. It's step by step codified. Just like if you were going through mathematical training in school,
where you learned additions of traction, multiplication, and you go through all of the steps from algebra and calculus and trigonometry, and it takes you through this series. So this prison experience for me was a great blessing, a great blessing. I remember I was walking down the compound, and the warden comes up and he says,
"Trudeau, I've been in the Bureau of Prisons for 35 years. I've seen tens of thousands of inmates. And you're the only one who's actually happy to be here." And I said, "Well, you won't. You know, I'm here. That's not going to change."
And I have a choice. I can either be miserable and bitter like everybody else, or I can be happy and enjoy it. I choose to be happy. Kevin, it sounds like acceptance is the answer to all of my problems today. Yeah, he's like you accepted where you were at.
What you resist persists. That's kind of the phrase that goes around. You resist persists. Remember the great prayer, which said, "God grant me the courage to change the things I can change."
Correct. Serenetations to accept the things I can't, and the wisdom to know the difference.
“So you have to accept the things you can't change.”
And then life's a lot easier.
We're always trying to change something.
If I can change that person, then I'll be happy. If I can change my situation, then I'll be happy. If I can change that one. Recognizing the powerlessness that we have. It doesn't, right?
And it doesn't work. And I wish we could stay and talk to you for a million hours longer. But we are going to let you go accept that I do want people. People want to find you. Your books, your courses, your global information network.
Do they KevinTradou.com is at the best place? The best place for everything is KevinTradou.com. The book is available there. And any information is always right there. KevinTradou.com.
Your wish is your command. His latest work. I'm loving it. KevinTradou. Thank you so much for joining us today.
I'm positively legal. Thank you, Kevin. My wish is your pleasure. Nice to meet both of you. For the rest of you, don't go away.
Because when we come back, we're going to go off the record. Stay tuned. [ Music ] Welcome back to positively legal.
“And now it's time for Jonathan and I to go off the record.”
Jonathan? What's on my mind? Oh yeah. What's on your mind? I'll say, so we're going to pivot.
Talk about something a little more serious. Call Alan.
The latest lunatic and a seemingly never ending line of those
afflicted with Trump-drangement syndrome. Pleaded not guilty this week to charges stemming from his armed ambush at the recent White House correspondence dinner. The knock guilty plea was standard operating procedure. The surprise move came when his defense attorney's filed
the motion to disqualify the entire United States attorney's office and DOJ on grounds that Jeanine Piero and Todd Blanche were
At the scene of the crime.
This motion should fail. Why? Because it's bullshit. Oops. I mean legally baseless.
The claim that Jeanine Piero and Todd Blanche
are quote material witnesses is so much of a stretch. It should come with its own yoga mat. We do not need Jeanine Piero or Todd Blanche or any members of their prosecutorial teams to testify in this case. There are 2600 other attendees who can.
There is also video a manifesto aka awardi email. And of course the secret service agents themselves who apparently missed the lesson where they teach you how to aim. Is that it? No, there's more.
All Ellen took smiling selfies in his hotel room showing off the Weaponsy strap to his body. Just moments before he rushed the ballroom including a
Mossberg Maverick shotgun giving home new meaning to the phrase,
"Who are you wearing?"
“So then what do these defense attorneys want to accomplish here?”
Are they hoping to find a more pro assassination prosecutor to handle the case against their client? Perhaps one aligned with the idiot judge who apologized and a prior appearance to this wouldn't be president killer because the soap on his rope was incentive to his liking
or something like that. I'm going to call it like I see it. Cole Allen's defense team is looking for a softer adversary. A prosecution team that feels life and prison which this guy should get is a bit too much.
And this judge, a judge who practically shed a tear because this clown isn't getting many pennies in prison, just might fall for it. We have a problem and it extends well beyond how these Patses are prosecuted.
By Patses, I include here not just the lunatics who think
“killing the president would make them cool,”
but also the Tyler Robinson and the Luigi Manjoni's of the world who are lauded for their extreme anti-maga actions. The rhetoric is the reason. The anti-maga dictionary is written by corrupt politicians, corrupt prosecutors, and the members of the media who do their bidding.
If we want to get back to a place where the president of the United States isn't treated like a metal duck silhouette at a carnival game, we need to stop creating the monsters who are willing to pull the trigger.
As always, wonderfully done, my dear Johnna, that was great.
And we don't talk about what we're going to rant about. And surprisingly, I chose to talk about prosecutors, great. But mine's just more general, okay? So here's my rant.
When I was a prosecutor more than 30 years ago,
“I took very seriously the mission to seek the truth.”
I also took pride in professionalism. That meant promptly responding to defense counsel, doing everything I could to secure justice for victims, and fighting in court zealously, but fairly. When compassion was warranted, I showed it.
When tough sentences were necessary, I was not afraid to pursue them. Unfortunately, too many prosecutors I encountered today don't seem to embrace the same principles. Calls and emails go unanswered.
Even when there may be evidence that I have that could mitigate a sentence, or more importantly, exonerate one of my clients. At times, it can feel as though something the law applies to everyone else other than themselves, and winning becomes at all costs.
It's been said that the prosecutor has more control over life, liberty, and reputation than any other person in America. Oftentimes, I get so frustrated, because I expect more from those entrusted with such immense power and responsibility.
But on a positive note, because we are positively legal, that's a name of our show. Let's be positive. I want to express gratitude to the many good prosecutors still out there. The ones who do follow the law,
the ones who listen to opposing counsel, the ones who exercise sound judgment, and conduct themselves with professionalism and integrity. Keep up the good work. We need more of you.
Thank you. Yes.
Yes, Johnna.
So I'm grateful, because we're moving into gratefuls.
“We don't end this show without gratefuls, Johnna.”
That's right. I am so grateful for prosecutors who are just wonderful, and you know who you are. We know who you are. I'm grateful for my beautiful wife of 25 years.
I'm grateful that all three of my adult children happen at the home for the past week or two. I'm really enjoying them a lot.
They say you'll always love your kids,
but we like them. I really like my kids. I do.
“And I'm grateful for my two beautiful white golden”
doodles. Peace and quiet. Those are actually their names. That's that's a long. I'm going to get.
I'm just going to be grateful for one thing for this show.
So I don't get many like. It's giving me red carpet moments, right? Some day I will. But I would like it. Maybe in the comments.
People can let me know. I do appreciate the fact that I showed up today, wearing the same color as your office wall. Yes. I think I wore it better.
So I would like you. You did. Thank you. I can see that. Great.
For the compliment. Thank you, Mark. Wonderful. Okay. Is it time to end our positively legal show?
It is. It is.
“Do we want to say thank you to our guest Kevin Trudeau?”
I think we should. Do you want to do it? Sure. Because I am. I'm still enamored.
Thank you to our guest Kevin Trudeau. And to my co-host, Mark Iglars. And thank you for joining us. Remember new episodes of positively legal drop. Everyone's day.
I hope you choose to have a wonderful week. That's right. It's a choice.
