Bachelorette Fallout and a Much-Needed 'Summer House' Conversation. Plus: ‘Summer House,’ ‘Southern Charm,’ and ‘Southern Hospitality’ Recaps

You will never emotionally fulfill you, because I don't want to be a part of it.

No, it's me! No! You're a man! It's a married man! Trash!

Right! I'll tell you how I'm doing. Not well, bitch. Hold on, check me, bro. Welcome to morally corrupt.

“What's I'm Rachel Lindsay, and she is Calli Curry, and I just want to give the”

sigh because Calli and I were just podcasting yesterday. And we're still very overwhelmed and a bit shook by the fallout from the bachelorette. If I ask you for me, if I seem a little off, it's just because it has just been a lot.

And I'm going to be very good.

I'd drink too much last night. I drink a lot too. I don't think you can at least read a celebration. You can at least read it. You can at least read it.

You know when you like think you're fine. Yes. And then you go to lay down and you're like, "I passed out." Thank you. I passed out my alarm went off at 7, 30, and I was like, "What's happening?"

Because I had to watch the shows for this because at the end of the day, guys, I am a professional at the end of the day. And Natasha, I was with Sasha last night, Natasha Parker, shout out to her. We both, she just text me, she goes, "Should we do IVs?" I said girl, I've been up to 7, 30, working.

You just woke up. And I said, "I don't like IVs. They make me feel yucky." But she goes, "Who's that?" No.

They make me feel clammy. I've only had one good IV, and that was an aspen. But I was, I don't like it when they come in IVs. I feel cold. I feel, you know what I feel like?

I do feel cold. I start to like like this when I'm like not feeling good. Okay, see, I start to feel like this. Like Amanda? Amanda.

That's who I'd become. Truly, truly, that's literally what happens. But we are here, we are ready to go. We both decided to like, I just wanted to like not think, I've been talking all day about that, what happened with the bats' red, and I was like, "I don't want to talk anymore.

I just want to drink."

And it's always that last one.

I'll take one more. Is that last class of mine? They got me. Now, we are going to recap summer house. We're going to touch on a moment of Southern hospitality.

We're going to do Southern Charm, and then we're going to talk about a moment with Beverly Hills. But before we get into our Bravo Recaps, here's a word for our sponsor. This episode is presented by two good and co-cremor. So I love hot coffee, but whether you enjoy your coffee, hot, cold, bold, or frothy,

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Okay. Now, before we get into our Recaps, I have to talk to you about this too, Kelly. I can't wait until the news episode will get into the details there as more of it comes out.

“But I'm sorry, did you not see that allegedly Marlo Hampton is dating Tyler Perry?”

Wait. I still have you, I can break that to you. Yes. I'm not gonna say, I'm not gonna put in the assumptions or speculations, but they were at an event together, there's a picture of them kissing.

It looks like a pack. It looks like a pack, so it could be a friendly thing that's misinterpreted, but okay, they're saying the kissing photo is AI. But they were sitting next to each other at an event on Instagram, and they were super cuddly. I hate artificial intelligence, except when I'm doing research, stop making deep

fake videos and photos. Oh, you know what, she looks great. She looks so good. I'm going to text Jason Lee, because Jason leaves on the other side of Tyler Perry. I wonder if this is true, and you know, he has Hollywood unlocked.

I don't think they've reported it, but he also wouldn't do that if they're friends. If they're friends, yeah. But the streets we're talking, can you imagine this would be everything for Marlo? You have to sign her up for that. Yeah.

That's what I was going to say.

“If it's true, even remotely true, what's it together?”

If it's true, she should be on Real Housewives of Atlanta. I also think it's kind of wild that she's even sitting next to him.

I mean, where are you guys?

But Jason Lee's best friends are Rihanna Cardi B. And Marlo, Marlo Tyler Perry. People like her, I mean, Marlo Tyler Perry, Jason Lee, that trio. What a better you guys at. Do you know what this reminds me of?

Remember, it was either after the Grammys or the Oscars, where Jason Lee posted a video, and it was the most random group of people in the studio. It's like, if I, that's my Roman Empire. How did these people, and I mean, you know how these, you know, these LA nights are like, it is not random to end up at a party with like the most famous people, it's somehow

you're just there. But it was like Kanye, that's when he was dating Julie Fox, Julie Fox, it was Madonna,

“Jason Lee, I think Evan Ross, and there were somebody else that it was like, what?”

Yeah. This is what this table. If they would widen the view of this table, I'd even think it was there and what they were there for. But I had to know that I, Marlo looks very pretty, I'd like to know that.

Yes, she does. Floyd Mayweather was in it, I believe, it's just like the most rate, it was like, what's happening? Oh, sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Interesting. I'll do more research. I like Marlo on the show. Not the last season. I feel like, oh my gosh, what a perfect time.

That's how we should have started out the show. What a perfect time to quote, Marlo Hampton, today drained me today, that's how I felt this morning. I'm about yesterday. I came in here with the same energy, I couldn't keep up, I couldn't keep up either.

I have a response to everybody, it was just like, no, I will not talk about this. No, I will not. Please refer to Bachelor Party. Thank God we did that podcast because it was just like, please refer to Bachelor Party. Please refer.

Please refer. Although we literally found out on the podcast. Yeah. So for all the people who were like, oh, y'all did an emergency pod. No, we were podcasting, I put that all my story.

We were podcasting about the first episode and the news dropped, which thank you to the

universe for not wasting our time. Which, by the way, I did that today before I went, no, same day, it was three hours earlier. I went to go, look to see if the episode was still there. Poof, it is going.

“That's what somebody else said, okay, is it taboo to say, because we've seen the cast of”

men, right, publicly, and we can't talk about what we saw on the show. But based on what you saw without giving anything away, who did you like? I did, like, which is not a spoiler because it's come out multiple times. I did think that her and Doug, like, I was, it seemed like that, like, they had chemistry pretty immediately.

He's not who I would choose for myself, but it did seem like they had chemistry pretty quickly, and he did put out of statement this morning. Oh, girl, I was showing better this morning. You still like him? Not a statement.

Just a video.

You still like, I saw somebody, I actually saw it on, not never talk about, I saw it on

Bachelor Reddit. I'm telling you, I was in the Bachelor Reddit, and with this news dropping, with this news dropping, like, there's no place where it's going to come. Yeah, there's no way to keep up unless it's all here. So I'm like, this is, you know, I was on the Reddit, and I saw them post that video.

And somebody put a meme underneath it, and I'm like, this perfectly captures it. They put the forest got meme, where what's her name on the show on the move? What's her name? Whatever. The little girl sitting next to forest, and he says something and she goes, are you stupid

or something? They put that under, and I said, that's it. So I didn't think it was that bad. Aren't you having the same video where it's like pitch black? Yes.

I was kind of just like, okay, he, in my opinion, I said it stopped her. He said it blocked her. That's the word he used. Blocked her. Blocked her.

Don't, it's too serious that you're making it seem like she didn't do anything. Somebody dug up her old tweets, right?

“Like that's how you're making it seem like someone released a nude.”

And it's like, as if there's no fault, and again, I'm not putting all the fault on one person, but it's like, bro, that, that doesn't matter. You just wanted to, it's also on Dakota, like, it's both because it is on her. Yeah. She's not like, if there was no video, I just didn't think he tried to make it too much

Like, some people have been like, I think that, like, what happened?

“Kind of like, he wanted people to know one that he is also losing an opportunity.”

And two, he wanted people to know that he's the type of dude that catches the sun rise. I mean, I'm giving him that. I'm not going to go for a run. I'm going to watch the sunrise. Stop.

No, I am judging a, basically, off of episode one, which also I did this morning, because

I wanted to rewatch and see who I thought is most upset about the cloud they lost by the show, not hearing from the men. There's men that are upset. Let me just say that. Well, I would be upset.

And, and I don't think that that's wrong to be upset. I mean, I don't want to see a video of you talking about good for him for saying prayers for everyone, because that is, that's real. A lot of people are affected by this, and I particularly am thinking about the children. But that's fine.

“But yeah, I didn't need that video, but if I was one of these men, and I, because remember,”

there are dads. And so that's the advice of people left their families, people left their children, people left their jobs, maybe somebody lost their job. So the sacrifice in the time is upsetting. Yeah.

I mean, just think of it, you, you sacrifice 45 minutes to an hour to an hour. Exactly. Exactly. Okay. Okay.

I'm not going to apologize because I know y'all want to hear that. Y'all want to get y'all want to talk to you about it. I just need to know when we can actually talk about what we'll be saw in the first episode. Can somebody break that first? Like, I'm not going to make the vile files.

Can y'all just talk about it, and you're going to get a trouble, and then you can talk about it, because you want all the credit anyway exactly. I, then I want to talk about what we saw, because man, I had, ugh, okay, summer house. Which I will say, waking up this morning with a hangover, it was a nice pilot cleanser to just watch, Bravo, which we all love, but upsetting on some of the conversations that

we're going to talk about. So we'll start with summer house. Well, okay, I was going to say, yes, we'll some of it. Summer house particularly. I wasn't as upsetting.

I don't find it as upsetting. It was a good responsibility. I was just a reminder. You know what I mean, like, summer house does a really good, this is how you can tell they're truly friends.

If you rewind back to the first time of the year, I had a conversation. The immediate response were tears, hugs, willingness to understand, wrapping their arms around. Summer house is a really good job, even in this situation of saying they don't understand wanting to, they do, like, I truly do love the friendships, even with the new people.

They get it right. Not always.

Whenever I say that, I'm always going to refer to those work in work in twins or whatever

they were names were working, working, the work in them. Where was it a nickname? I don't know, working, working, I don't know, but they get it right. I say, I say, work is, work is, work is, it's work is time anyway.

“I say that, yes, it was a good convo, but it's just sad like that it happens, right?”

Like they have to go through this, I guess is what I mean. It's a reminder. But I'm glad they're having it. I'm glad they had it in a space that was well received and they could get it out. And it hopefully resonated with some of these ethos that, you know, want to be big and

bad behind their computers and their social media, and then, but want to hug you and take pictures with you at a Bravo Conner on the street, you know, it's always those. Have you ever had an ethos say something crazy to you, and then you actually respond? And they're like, yeah, I'm sorry, that was my friend had my account or I'm sorry, I'm

so sorry, I never thought you would see this.

Yeah. I've never been like, usually it's like, oh, I didn't even think that you would see this or like, oh, I didn't mean for you to take it that way, no, no, no. Nine times out of ten, they back out of it. Yeah.

Yeah. But some people just keep the energy though, and I'll be going with my pick one, I'll pick one, like when I'm really feeling frisky, I'll pick one, because I'm about to start picking people, okay, this is my last bachelor ran, I'm about to fucking start picking people who keep blaming me for the shit that's happening.

Of course, of fucking course, I'll get well if Rachel had ruined the franchise with Chris Harris and Chris Harris and you're going to be here. Guys. Thank you guys who's already going downhill, first of all before Chris Harrison left. So anyone that says that is like looking at this with like rose colored glasses and

Really crazy though, how like somehow you watched a domestic violence issue, Europe, there's allegedly another one, they're pulling of the season. There's rumors coming out about editing from Mormon wise and somehow, yeah, all roads lead to me. I'm like six degrees separation of anything bad that happens with the bachelor for some

of these people.

You can always trace it back to that Rachel that we give Rachel.

“Honestly, if you want to, if you want to blame Rachel, you're welcome, because people”

were tired of watching. Yeah, you know what, let me step into a minding vile. You guys, you're welcome. Okay. You're welcome.

Thanks me. Okay. I'll be playing about the franchise for a long time, so you're welcome. I'm the reason. Um, okay.

So I'll act as the rounds. That's it. That's it. I've done. But unless I get a text message like we did yesterday.

Summerhouse, I'm sure we'll start at the beginning. I loved the spin the bottle game. Love is been bought. It couldn't have worked out so perfectly. They had to like that had to have been a behind the scenes, like let's spin again.

But I didn't care. I loved it. I loved to match up. I love that they committed to the makeouts. Um, I really did.

Wait, I'm sorry. Uh-oh.

“- Well, especially Solomon, was that kiss not weird?”

I was like, does he not a kiss? - I hate a bad kisser. - I don't like kissing, but-- - I know you've told me this, which is just-- - Yeah. - Just, I can't get--

- I've got a kisser. - Got a kisser, me. - Oh, a lot of germs. - I just, I, I just, - Like, if I were to spend a bottle game, I'd be like, make me jump into the pool naked, please. - I would rather-- - I'd rather do that as well.

- I'd rather do that than make out with someone I don't want to make out with. - Oh, I'd be like, "Come on, let's kiss." - I love to kiss. - I would make, no, and I would have to be someone I know is super clean.

- I don't know if I would've want to kiss in this group,

but I've never played spin the bottle like that.

Maybe because I don't want to kiss strangers. That's not my, that wasn't my thing. Truth or dare for sure. Spin the bottle. - Oh, yeah, man. - I've never played spin the bottle.

- No, that's not really my thing. - I played truth or dare before, but not spin the bottle. - But this hybrid version I can get into. I'd never seen this before. So I was like, maybe I would play a spin the bottle

with the truth or dare. I was like, that's, this was a fun game. - It was fun. - Yeah. - But I'd have to go back and watch.

I did not pay attention to how Jesse was kissing, but not shocking if he was bad. - Leave I didn't say anything. - I think most people look more kiss weird. - Do you know what I mean?

- I thought it looked weird based on their height. - Look totally fine. - I thought it looked weird because of their height difference. - Maybe that's what it was. I was just like teeth are hitting for sure.

- Look, what if he was a lizard tongue? - Yeah, yeah. - Can you see? - I had this one guy I liked on the show. Bats were at, here I'm back again.

- No. - He wasn't lizard, but he kissed like, he led with his lips, and I don't know if that makes sense, but like, you see what I'm saying? And like, like, puckered them out, and I thought I could

rehabilitate him. - And I thought I'd be talking about kissing. - I can't believe how many freaking people you probably had to kiss on that show. - But I like to kiss, I loved it.

- I know, I know, you just thought that. - I would kiss him all. - There's no way. - No way. - And everybody had been tested.

So it's like, you know, like you couldn't, you couldn't get, like if you had, like a hervy thing or something like you couldn't be on the show,

“that's how most people get knocked off from the bachelorette.”

They don't pass that test. They don't pass the SCD test. - That's not even what I'm worried about, but like, sure, add an extra worry for me. (laughing)

- I just, it's like, do you have a white tongue stick your tongue out? What does it look like? Like, that's what I'm doing to all these people. - I'll just say.

- Especially since you're not given like tons to drink, and like, you're on set for hours. - Took my bachelorette? - Yeah. - And you're just, just caught in mouth, making out.

- I never had a bad breath person,

which I'm very thankful for. I'm fake, but, you know, you know, as much as you see roses on the bachelorette, you see listerine strips, so that could be why. Like, oh, that's why I don't do them now,

because I had so many, and they get so many. Like, the producers have their fanny packs, and they pop a listerine strip, listerine strip in your mouth, and you're on your way, those work. - I personally just got some listerine strips,

because I love mints, I don't, I like them. My kids love mints. Like, I bribe them with mints all the time, because that's the chain they made me think.

But now, like, when you're going like out, and you have like a smaller purse,

“I was at a wedding, and I was like, fuck,”

I don't know how my mints we've been here for like three hours, and I want a mint, and my firm was like, oh, here you go, and I was like, oh, the listerine strips are so tiny. You can like fit them in any purse,

and it takes up zero room. - Yep, it's a staple on the bachelors season. Like they should have the sponsorship, because... - Or stir.

- Boop. - I got, I liked Ben and Bailey's kiss, and I liked that they kissed, and like did they come in and they looked good together. And I didn't talk about it afterwards, being like,

I'm bad, we could just do that. No hard feelings, he apologized. - That's how it should be. Except the jokes were bad, but the kiss was good. - You just got it.

- And we were willing to move on. - Kyle and Amanda, this conversation they had in the kitchen, tough. You know what I don't understand? When Kyle told somebody,

he either said it in a confessional, he told the guys that he had to spend the money, give back his salary to keep the company afloat. So DJing helps him pay the bills.

I don't know why he never says that to Amanda.

- When she's asking,

“so that's why I'm like, I don't know if I believe him”

when he's like, it helps pay the bills, because it's like, 'cause why don't you say that? Are you afraid she'll be like, we're fine? - We obviously know this show pays the bills,

and you got another show coming on, and you've been on the show for double digit years, so you're making at least half a million on the show. And I guess my thought is, just, I guess I thought I kept thinking,

you keep saying all these things to Amanda except for something that's practical that actually makes sense. And he's like, yeah, I'm gonna be doing this forever, I'm getting a manager.

How do you not even have these conversations with your wife? It's just so watching it, it's like, it's so over. Even the way Amanda's responding, she's over it. - It's like, when she's like, okay, she'll take a shower. - And he was like, I'll just take a shower with you,

and she was like, no, you shower first.

And he was like, I'll just shower with you, and she was like, I don't wanna shower with you. - Can you imagine saying that to your husband? - I mean, I did, I could imagine, I can imagine, I can imagine saying it to him,

but not in the way that she said it to him. Like, there are times where I'm like, I just wanna get the shower and clean my butt. Like, you wanna get in and out. - Yeah, I understand that.

But I would probably say it, like, I'm just taking a quick one, like you can hop in, but I'm gonna be in and out. Like that's what I would say. - She was discovering like, no, I do not want to shower with you. I was like, sometimes at this point in the relationship,

there's times where they show us moments where I'm like, I don't know if I need to see that. - Like that's awkward. - I know with the cameras or down they don't talk. - They don't, I know they don't talk to each other at home.

I know that they don't, like, yeah, it's at this point,

I should say, not always.

- Yeah, I mean, clearly, the fact that he was like, I'm close deciding with a manager. Seems like it was the first time she'd ever heard of a manager being in the picture. - A hundred percent.

- I'm like, you didn't have one, you never were like, hey, I'm going to go with this guy and hey, I'm having a conversation, nothing. - Or I just wish to, it's like fine. You wanna be a DJ, you want, it's a creative outlet for you.

You love music, you love bringing people together for a good time, fine, be a DJ. But the problem is, then you wanna, you wanna night life it.

“And that's what Amanda's saying without saying it.”

Do you keep the party going? If you were a DJ and you came home, it would be fine. Like, I'm sure if they were in a better place and that was the case, Amanda would probably come to some of his stuff.

I would, if, you know, that was what my husband wanted to do creatively, but that's not what he, that's not... - No, he wants to make it into a party every time. - And excuse me, I'll keep it going. - If you really wanna do it and you wanna make real money

from it, you should try to, like, parlay this into, like, a denice thing. Were you doing, like, all the big corporate events. You depict way more money and you're home, you have to do less events and you're home by, like, 11.

Right, right. But that's not what Kyle wants. Kyle wants to be in the club with college students. - How will we speed to blow? - Yeah.

- And, like, I mean, you know, I've been to a set, it was good. It was good, it was good, but it was a daytime thing. It was a meta event, Super Bowl event, that's perfect. That's fine.

That's, with a brand of sponsorship, I feel like he could really connect those two things and get paid very well, but that's not what he wants. Like, if Kyle could, like, be at a club every night, DJing, he would do it.

If he had, like, a Saturday night thing, I think he would love it. Were you surprised by the Bailey and Carl date?

Have they been said words to each other

in the house yet?

“Have they been in the house at the same time?”

I'm confused. - They have been to the house at the same time. We barely seen them talk. I was not surprised because I've seen an interview of Bailey more recently where they asked her about Carl.

And she's just like, I could not say enough good things about him, like, I absolutely love him. And it was her and Levi and they both were like, we love Carl, like, he's the best. He was so like open arms to us when we came into the house,

all of whatever. And then they were like, we're sensing like vibes with you and Carl, like how she was talking about him. And she was like, there's vibes. And they were like, like, romantic vibes.

And she was like, there's vibes. - I would like them together. She needs a guy like that.

- Yeah, she's quite, by the way, I love Lindsay.

And I like having her whenever she's back. - But she didn't like this. - I didn't either. - Well, one at some point, move on. - Yeah.

- You have a whole child and we're in a whole relationship. Why are you so mad? - Yeah. Is Carl on the news show? - No, right.

- I don't know. - I don't think so. - I don't know. - But it's nice 'cause she could do a soft bar stuff there, but yeah.

- But I agree with you. - Carl's not talking about it. - No, I'm just like, and Carl has been nice to you for a good amount of time. I'm not saying that he handled that situation

correctly the entire time.

“By the way, I don't think that Lindsay did either, right?”

But you would think at some point you move on. And her being like, I said he's not gonna have sex with her, like just saying that at the table with everyone. I was just like, it's just not nice. - It's not nice.

And you know what I, it's like Carl, he's like he's like, I felt him when he was like, it just puts a damper on the energy. It's like a cloud when she comes in and says that. But I liked that he was in the room confining in KJ. And I'm like, everybody's just really gravitating to KJ.

I was like, look at him talking to KJ. They just said, what a sweet, I want to be like KJ. - I wanna be his son. - Love KJ, couldn't love KJ more. - I think that people go to KJ

'cause they're like, who can I go? Who has like the emotional maturity to hear it? I'm saying listen to me, give me good advice, and also not judge me at all for it. And it's like KJ.

- I don't know, I love me some KJ. What are you talking about? - What are you talking about?

- You can always, you can West, she's Westrun.

- Okay. - They are from the same area so they like grew up together. - He's from Missouri. - Oh, so he's an old school friend. Oh, I like that even more.

- I didn't realize that. - Which, I don't know if you saw KJ on Washington Happens Live this week, but he asks, he was like incredibly honest, which I'm like, I don't know if you know

how the game works yet, or maybe he does and doesn't care because he was just honest about everything, like they asked him how did you feel about West's apology to Sierra at the table, and like everyone was talking about it.

And KJ was like, man, you could have done way better than that. And I was like, oh, are they not friends? - I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. - Then Andy was like, who, I guess like,

“asked him like, who are you closest to or something like that?”

And he was like, West, that's like my brother for life. And I was just like, oh, no, he just like doesn't let his friends like slide with every single thing that they do. - I like that.

I like that. And it's just like, you know, people on reality TV, especially nowadays, if your friends with someone, it's like, rider die, you can't say anything that they wouldn't love, you know what I mean?

- Yeah. - So I appreciated KJ being like, he didn't say it was bad. He was just like, it could have been better. And I think based on like how he was saying it, it's more so that like, that whole conversation,

which I'm sure I'm about to talk about 'cause that's like the big chunk of stuff. - Yeah, go into the-- - Go ahead. - That whole conversation to me from where KJ sitting for West, I feel like he was trying to tell

like, what's how he was reacting. And I'll know what happens like. You just need to like understand the situation more. It's not just because you talked about Sierra. It's that you talking about Sierra,

a black woman that way causes A, B, and C for her. - And how did he not get it before? - Connecting all that, I don't know. That's he, 'cause I was really trying to follow. It's like so he didn't understand it

until the Lexi, Jesse, and Sierra thing, is that what he was saying? - Yes. - I don't know why that opened your eyes. Like maybe you see things better when you're not involved.

I don't know, but it's shocking to me too because you have black friends.

then clearly y'all have very honest and open conversation.

“So it's that whole thing of like you're your captain”

to like he kind of is, I'm not gonna say he's in the culture, but he's aware of it, right? Like the way he dresses, he listens to the way he, the his swag, his friend broke things around. - Yeah. - All of it, even the women he likes to date.

It's like all of that, but then but like you still don't get it. You know, it's getting Jack Carlos Niel's soul. - Oh God, please don't, we can't. - Yeah, like it's all of that.

- By the way, you just quite like you can never fully get it,

'cause you're not black. - Yeah, and I'm asking West to fully get it. And I personally think West gets it. West is not dumb. He's pretty intelligent.

He is pretty aware of like circumstances within the U.S. Like he's very aware of the dynamics of things. West is like perpetually scared of saying like, and I don't know if it comes from this year thing, but he does not want to say anything wrong.

He doesn't want to say anything. So he would rather not say anything, but I'm just like, you can't be scared to say the wrong thing. When you need to say the right thing. - And that's what Sierra is saying.

- You're so right.

“Like that's what she's trying to get him to understand.”

- Yeah. - 'Cause what does she say something like, he just doesn't, he doesn't talk. She was like, talking about something. When it was like, he doesn't express his feelings. Like he just doesn't say it.

- Like getting West to say it. - Yeah. - And I'm sure that he does one on one with her, but he's just really bad. I think he's just to your point,

very aware of his image. And he thought he was aware of it before. It took a hit in the way he handled the Sierra thing. And so now he's overcompensating even more. So because he doesn't want to come across a certain way

or his actions be misinterpreted. - Yeah. But I do think he does say it or it seems like him in Sierra have a much deeper relationship than any of us will ever know because they do it off camera.

And he's probably his guard is probably completely down.

“And there's no cameras and he's with Sierra.”

- Yeah. - When cameras are around, his guard is up. - Yeah. And we see her in the preview say, which the preview was so good for the season. It's like how does it get even better?

She says, "I can't keep living like this." - No another preview made me sad, but happy 'cause it looks so good. I was just in a flip side. Kyle, who can't have a conversation with his wife,

to save his life, I feel like it's totally open to these conversations. - He really is. - And it's like, tell me more, like I wanna be better. And for as much shit, a Sierra has given him this season,

we have seen Kyle not play about Sierra multiple times. So I don't know if they have like a brother's to survive, where they can like get in little tips and whatever. But seeing Sierra upset for some reason triggers Kyle. Like he's just like absolutely not.

She cannot be upset. What can we do better for her? But I really like that he was like, thank you for sharing that, like you're absolutely right. I can throw tantrums, I can slam doors, I can storm off.

And I have zero repercussions. And if you guys did that, it would look a lot. Like people would react to it a lot differently. - Yeah, yeah.

- I never had to think about that.

- This is Kyle's redeeming quality. It really is. It really is, because as Amanda will say, he really, everybody likes to be around Carl. He really is, sometimes he goes,

seems like he's Kyle, Kyle, Kyle. He's a better friend than he is a partner partner. And that could also be because they've been together for 10 years. But there's just different people. But I will say, I like the conversation.

I'm glad that they had it. I'm glad this Sierra for the first time said, part of talking about this is I get more heat than you do. But then West was like, no, people were calling me a racist and stuff.

And I do like that they were like, when there's a race component, it changes the conversation, it changes the way people talk to us. It hits harder, it's just heavier. But I really liked KJ's comment.

And when KJ said I was the first black guy in the house,

I don't even think that I didn't realize that. When he joined the cast, I didn't even realize, I don't know why. I did, I'm like, are we sure? But he's right.

But I'm happy and I, he was having trouble saying it. But what I really hope people understand is, I can't make stupid mistakes like Jesse does. I can't move like, you know, I'm targeting Jesse. I can't move in the way that, and I say that

because Jesse just kind of like is around and says,

And what you don't realize is like flirting, not basically,

but like, yeah. And you don't realize is, I don't show you. I don't tell you that I'm thinking about these things. But I have to be calculated in how I move, I have to be extremely self-aware

because what I do, it can be misinterpreted. Or what I do, I don't get the same grace as you do. Like, and I could go, I could do a whole essay or ten on this from my own experience. It's just like I said, somehow people are bringing

what happened to me, you know? - Yeah. - Somebody could say to Inward, but it's my fault. You know what I mean? So I just appreciated, I was glad that he spoke up in this moment and didn't just like, let's see era,

have the, has a moment, it's nice.

- I think it helps, Sierra, for sure.

- But Sierra feels more comfortable sharing how she feels and her experience because she has two other people on the cast that are not only just black, but also have her back.

“And so I think that she feels more comfortable.”

When he started crying, I was just like, I just wanna like, I wanna pack KJP and put him in my pocket. And Andy, unwashed what happens live, may have been falling in love with me. (laughing)

Because all his answers, he was like, wow, this is like the first guy on Bravo that's like emotionally intelligent and has zero toxic masculinity. And he was like KJ, like, how, how are you like this?

I was like, oh man, made by woman. - Andy has hot, I was like, Andy has hot eyes. Oh, they said that Darius said that. And Andy was like, wow, wow, wow, what a compliment. - The way they look, like the way she would look at him

and I was just like, oh, they're so in love. - And he was like, do you say I love you? And they were like, yeah, we do now. - Yeah.

“- I think to answer something you said before”

about KJ, unwashed what happens live, I just do think he's just,

you're never gonna not know what how he feels.

He's not gonna play a game, he doesn't have the thought in him to manipulate a conversation or it's a play games. And we're putting a lot in KJ, so I don't want him to disappoint us ever, but I don't think you're man, we like some KJ.

All right, we already said the trailer that they gave us mid-season looks so good, so good. A lot of stuff is admitted, a lot of stuff is dealt with. And it seems like, which is crazy, we've gotten so much, but it seems like we're getting a whole,

the second part seems like a new season. It just seems like a new season. - I mean, this is an A+ show. - A+, A+, let's talk about a D, Southern hospitality. - I wouldn't give Southern hospitality a D.

I would give it, either, I think C+ would be minus, depending on like, no, you know, I don't know. I still am entertained by it, but I will say these conversations happening back to back and seeing the difference in how they're dealt with.

Now granted, these people are a lot younger on Southern hospitality than Southern charm. I mean, then Summerhouse, but um, yeah. - No, not, I mean, they didn't deal with it at all. - They, I thought Brad was doing a very good job

of laying out to him, why he hasn't shown him. And was very good at pushing back on questions of, okay, you said this, tell me how I did this. Tell me what I did. Do you understand what this means?

What enraged me, I expected Emmys tears crying. I expected Emmys, it's crazy how she blames everything on her fiance. He wasn't me, said it, I expected Emmys lies.

“And I think, and I really liked the blonde girl”

because she was the only one who was like, but you're lying, I heard you say this. - Molly. - Molly, I really appreciated that in that moment. So for me, I was getting frustrated

'cause I was like Emmys lying and you know she's lying and somehow you can move past that. The part that got me the most was when Emmys had her panic attack and goes outside and everybody's hugging her and they're like,

you did so good. - What? - Yeah, she didn't do anything. She said sorry, I don't know why we're not calling Brad. She's lying on this man.

She painted him, she said she was scared of him and to his point he was like, I don't even knock on your door. You're scared of, you feel unsafe from a text message while you're in the room with another man, you're fiance and you feel unsafe.

She knows what she's doing.

So it's not like I said something that was just crazy.

- Yes, I literally said you're dead to me to who. - And she just kept saying, I didn't say that. Molly's like, yeah, did. I heard you say it and somehow we moved past that and it's like, I mean, I guess they moved past it

because she goes, I'm sorry, but to me it still wasn't enough and the coddling of her, the coddling of her, the not understanding, no, she doesn't get it. She'll cry again. You can't tell me that she did not know what she was doing.

She knew what she was doing when she said unsafe. She knew she was going to cry and that people were going to take up for her. She knows the power that she has in that, I'm sorry as a white woman, a pretty white woman too.

“She knows that and I think in the same way”

that Molly was like, I heard her laughing about stuff that she did. I heard stuff she said because she's one way behind closed doors and then she gives this persona because she knows that people will take her side.

She places her, she's got a victim mentality and she knows what it will look like for the one black man. Well, Michael's this black two, but- Michael's the black man on the show. And to me, her weaponizing that,

I'm like, where's Leva? Okay, Leva needs to sit down and have a conversation with Amy Leva. You are married to a black man. I need Amy to have some kind of accountability.

Yeah. And it's got to come at the reunion and I might mess, I might write a viewer question. I'm going to write in when they're like, Southern hospitality reunions, send in your questions.

I'm going to send it, when Andy does that,

“I'm going to send it over like 17 times.”

And I'm going to DM it to him.

I need, I want, I would never get it from Amy.

I want Leva to say something specifically to Amy because Amy will shut up and at least just accept it. She's not going to cry. Well, she might cry because she won't. The previous her next week, they bring up a microaggression.

She's like, oh, my coaggression? Are you fucking kidding me? So yeah, she's not sorry. But yes, I hate it. She went outside, start crying.

Then everyone got up and was consoling her. And I was like, why, no one did anything to her. Like why, why and Brad never raised his voice. Because he can never, yeah. He had to be, it's, I did like Brad's girlfriend

was looking the entire time at Amy. Like, I know I want her to talk more. Because she's about like, she's about it. She's not buying it at all. Yeah, it's, you know, when he was like,

should I get up and go out there? She didn't say anything. She was just like, (laughing) If you're gonna do that, that's on you.

I know, but, but his girlfriend was just like, I'm not, no, I'm not buying into this. Her, TJ, we're looking like, no. Yeah, yeah, Amy, I didn't see the preview for the next week.

So now that makes me upset even more. Amy sucks, okay, I'm not gonna sit on here and like, I'm, words I don't throw around, I don't throw narcissists around, that'll lead us into seven charm.

And I don't, I don't throw, I don't throw racist around. But what I will say is, there is a lack of willingness from Amy to understand a black person's perspective. Or she wants to victimize herself and defend and say that I like, you know, kind of be like,

make it about herself rather than say, I hear where you're coming from. I don't understand what it's like. There's not a willingness at all to understand somebody else's perspective.

And for that, I'm not gonna call her a racist 'cause I don't have enough information to say that. But she does suck and I'll leave it there. I think it's documented that she sucks. So, like, yeah, now seven charm.

Now Lisa's into that. What do you, I thought about you?

“- Cali, what do you have to say for yourself”

as a reporter, as a chronologist? What do you think about the performance of Craig and part one of this reunion? How, I just, Cali, go ahead.

- I have so many things. I have so many things.

First, people on reality TV that we like

do weird shit. Like Cali, Elton, we all love her because she's a little cookie, right? There's plenty of people like a name, but she's the first one that came to my mind.

- Yeah, she had a moment, this episode, this week too. People seeing Craig with an evil eye bracelet and empaths, right? And being like, ugh, laughs.

Like that part's funny. Who the fuck has that? It's funny. You went to see a magician for this. Like that's funny.

I want that type of thing on reality television because like, it does not exist in my life.

I've never heard of these things.

- I laugh when you said that. - That part, not when he labeled himself an empath, I was like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - I'm like all those times.

“- That happened a lot on reality television too, right?”

- It's right up there with, we should start a, we should have a running list of this. Like this should be a game. The chance to be points, my truth is up there, I'm an empath, people who are empaths,

don't run around talking about being their empaths. - Yeah. - Like narcissists, so, okay, so Craig? - Yes. - That's fine.

- That's fine. - Yes. It's not that I want to defend Craig. I like Craig on my TV screen.

Like I enjoy his reality,

the reality that he gives us, is to say, my problem with this show with Craig, is that I don't, I really don't understand like how a lot of people view it differently. I would say there's like on the internet,

or whatever, I would say it's like 50, 50 people that view it my way and people that view it your way. I don't understand two things.

“Why is Austin not judge the same way that Craig is?”

I do not get it. Austin treats women horribly. How he treated Aubrey at the beginning of the show, actually throughout the cartoon really. So that's how he didn't know her name.

- That's how into Craig you are. 'Cause he does the same thing. - Audrey, well, again, if Austin treated Audrey better, I might know her name. Audrey was treated horribly.

- The way he talked about Sally at this reunion and we are not Sally fans. Like I'm fine with her, I think she's good for the show. At this point, I've gone back and forth. I was shocked that no one was like,

shut the fuck up. - Rodney was kind of like, damn Andy was the main person being like, there's nothing wrong with her being out and about. But like how, and Sally, like,

I don't know if she like didn't hear what he was saying. - Oh, she heard. - Oh, she heard not, was not mad enough. She, because she's a pick me. I would have been like, you know what, Austin, Craig was right.

You're in the same place today as you were five years ago. I don't want to date you. So how about that? I'll solve your problem. But like, how we talked about Sally when everyone was asking him only if they had sex.

Literally just asking him if they had had sex. Which like people would be like, instead of our business, I'm sure you're on a reality show and you're doing things openly on the reality show. So we're gonna ask.

And then being like, you know what, fuck you guys. If Craig did the exact same thing that Austin did and when everyone's going at Craig and was just like, you know what, fuck you guys. People would've been like, oh, here goes Craig again.

He's reacting, blah, blah, blah, blah. But Austin can do all of these things. And it's just like, oh, Austin. - I guess I don't see it that way because I really felt like, again, I was like,

thank God for Madison. - Yeah. - I was so happy that Madison was like, and I love it because nobody gets mad at her telling private conversations.

Like Austin, so loves Madison and just wants to be in her life. She literally was like, let me say all the stuff that you told me privately and he still adores her. And so thank God for that. So I really, I don't think that.

“I think that it was Madison was like, no,”

this is what you said.

Madison's like, why are you, you basically talked

about her about this? So I don't think the reason that you didn't have other people to throw their input in is because Madison was doing the work. I don't even think people needed to draw in. So I don't think that people think Austin treats women well.

We watched majority of this season, everybody was shitting on him for the way he treats Audrey. You know, I happy. You don't like her. You're wasting her time.

He got a lot of shit. I actually understood why he didn't want to answer the question about them having sex because the revelation of Matt is what Madison was saying is basically like, you don't see her in that way.

So you're really just like, she's just a hookup and he didn't want to say that because he doesn't want to seem like a bad guy. And then also, I think also the other revelation from Madison, when she's like Audrey is the girl that got away, he's now trying to save face for Audrey when he should have been

to eventually get back together. Because if you hear Audrey was like, I mean, Madison, she looks the best she ever looks. And he was like, yeah, she knows. Yeah, he's like, don't I know it?

And mean, like Sally, she like girls that are watching, please don't be a Sally. I mean, the desperation to be chosen by Austin,

Oh, yeah, this guy has everything that I want. Or her even being like, he literally said admits that Audrey is the one that got away. He's like, yeah, what she's like, yeah, he goes, you're probably right to Madison.

And you see Sally being like, yeah, he doesn't want you. And then she goes, I've seen him hook up with other girls. So, and I've go out with other guys. And he called her a bar rat or Craig called her a bar rat. No, no, no, no, it was awesome.

It was Austin, a bar rat. And then she's like, and then sometimes we hook up. And I'm like, do you see how you're bringing yourself down to try to fit into a certain image? Just so Austin can give you attention?

It's really sad, she's funny, she's pretty, she's successful. But her insecurity is and like herself worth is so bad. I'm like, oh, Sally, who hurt you? Where you can't see yourself the way that we do. And like, you're running behind Austin to your point

as harsh as it may have been from Craig to say it. Who has not accomplished anything, really? Isn't being a reality TV star over the years? Yeah. How was this thing out of your dream?

Her, her desperation was just like a little match. But when Austin was like, you guys aren't going to bully me into wanting to date Sally, and Sally's just sitting next to him. I was just like, this isn't saying. But to your point, yes, Madison holds Austin accountable.

Everyone else kind of like jokingly does it with Austin. And when he said, fuck you, everyone was just kind of like, oh, if Craig said fuck you, it would literally be like, oh, here he goes again. You know why?

Because, Craig, Austin doesn't always do that.

Craig does. And I don't know.

“I think that there, I think that Austin does do that.”

We saw all season when Seth didn't go his way. He would react. And the difference is, Austin has better relationships with the people on the cast. And why is that?

I mean, Austin's better friends with all these people. But why? Because I think because-- Because it's like best friends with these people. Don't think Craig is easy to get along with.

I think Craig is-- and I really think Craig thinks he's above these people. Maybe that might be true. I'm not even saying that that's not true. But I do think that Austin's also more social.

Like when Craig was with Paige, all of these people complained that he didn't want to leave his house.

He always wants to be home.

And even to this day, like people that don't like him, we'll say they think that Craig will probably want to be the first one out of this group to settle down. Craig is not like a man of the city like Austin is. Austin's like the mayor of Charleston.

Like runs around with Chef, runs around everywhere, wants to be everywhere, wants to be seen, wants to have fun. By the way, don't have a problem with that. But that's just not Craig. Yeah, I think Craig has--

I'm sure he wanted to-- he wanted this fame, and he's been able to use that to like grow his business. I don't think he does well with the fame. Like he has anxiety.

He's clearly-- Well, I don't know if this is-- OK, he's an addict of some sorts. Yeah, he's a man. It's just not as--

like I don't think that it's as easy for him.

“I think they've changed on page so much.”

And doesn't have that anymore. Austin's been walking to a room and talk to anybody. I think your-- your points well taken. I think that Craig was that-- or maybe that wasn't him.

And maybe this was really him. I just have seen the change. And I do think he's more of a homebody. And I do think he wants a partner. And I think being with page made him realize that even more.

I think he liked building the house and planning a future and creating this home. I do think he wants that with his bees and all that stuff. Austin still-- Austin is like Sally. They run wild.

And there's no shame in that. And I think that Sally has fun running wild with Austin. But she also wants more from Austin. And I think when Austin met Craig, he was more like that. And he still wants that from him.

And he's trying to force Craig into being somebody. He's not. And like they said, they should not be friends. Do you think Craig is a narcissist?

Because with set it first, winner set it first.

And then they ask Austin if he agrees. Do you think he's a narcissist? I don't think that he's a narcissist.

“Because I think narcissists just get thrown around way”

to willingly be on reality television. Yes. So like, no, I'm not diagnosing him as a narcissist. Do I think Craig's full of himself? Yeah, absolutely.

Do I think Craig centers himself sometimes? Or a lot of the time? Yeah, I do. But like, a narcissist is like wild. And no, and winner, to me, we've loved with all season.

I was like, is he like, he came in hot and ready to go.

“And I'm just like, I almost feel like he feels like he has to”

do a little bit more because he didn't do much on the season. And like, it doesn't seem like winner and Craig know each other all that well. Yeah, because I'm a little bit from off the show. So I'm just like, why do you have an opinion?

Like, Austin saying he's a narcissist, I understand. It seems like winners like trying to get into the mix a little bit. Whoa, I don't want to show you. Yeah, I just, it's just about like he's trying really hard on this reunion.

But I don't think that they're not friends. Because the conversation he was having with Craig when they were in Mexico and they were sitting next to each other, that made me feel like they do know each other. He does know Craig.

I think they know each other, but not like deeply. Maybe not as deep. Definitely not as Austin, like Austin, but not as little as Craig was making it seem when he came back at him. Because I was like, you were very receptive.

And he felt, and I felt like he had an understanding of you with the in Mexico. But what I will say is, I don't think Craig is a narcissist. I don't know enough to call him that. But what I will say is he is a man who cannot take accountability.

“That's why I said how do you think about what we saw in Part 1.”

Because it was rough. He truly could not accept anything that people were saying. He could even Andy was trying like, be like, but don't you see this? And he just, you could see he was uncomfortable.

And then when he left, it was everybody's piling on me. Everybody came in on me. And I'm like, I know this is Austin has a victim mentality. You have a victim mentality as well. It just was rough that he could not be accountable

and thought that it was a pile on and not see his behavior or maybe what he did wrong or why someone needed a apology. I thought it was super revealing when they were like, no Craig, you aren't like this when you're drunk. You yell off camera at us, too.

That's when I was like, oh, that's super telling to how like, Craig just is in general. - So that part I also found interesting. This is the thing with the whole, the dynamic with Craig in this cast.

Craig absolutely struggles with accountability. Because it's not just a season. This has been a thing. But this season in particular, every single person storyline we've talked about

has a little bit of Craig in it. - Sure. - And Craig thinks that everyone is against him going into this reunion. So whenever it comes up with Craig and everyone

is saying something, I feel like someone who has a very hard time taking accountability. Instead of taking accountability just shuts down and it's just like, what was me? Everyone is against me and like,

that's what we got from Craig. The yelling thing, he is being literal. I don't think that he actually yelled at Sally because when he was like, I did it yell. And Charlie was like, yes, you may have,

she was basically saying, you may have not yelled at her,

but you made her cry. And Craig was like, yes, I made her cry, but I did not yell at her. I think he said he was aggressive.

“- Yeah, and when there was like, what's the difference?”

And Charlie was like, sometimes when you're trying to like, I don't know if she was saying like, hold someone accountable or like bring something up, confront somebody, you get aggressive, which we've seen Craig do that. So I think Craig is like, you're trying to say,

I yelled at her and I didn't yell. And it's like, it doesn't matter if you yell or not. But that you're being aggressive. - That's the thing with Craig, that would be frustrating as a friend and it would be hard for me to have a real

friendship with you because everyone else is fault. - There's no responsibility, you can't see, you have no self-awareness to how you are and you fit in. With other people, that's why I'm like,

Austin, of course he's friends with, but I think Craig is hard to get along with because you don't see how you come across. So Craig might not be a narcissist, but he definitely has narcissistic tendencies.

The fact that you care that you cannot see how you are or there's no willingness to say, you know what, you're right. It's on everybody else. That is a bad character trait and it's 100%.

As we, I always am hopeful, you know,

what being on TV, seeing the playback of yourself, seeing how people respond that you'll eventually get it. And at this point, I'm like, oh no, Craig is who Craig is. He doesn't get it, he doesn't want to get it. And I also, and what did he say at the end?

That's not the response. Well, then it'll be friends with me. That's not it.

“I think that at this point with this cast,”

it's not going to, he's not going to, he's not going to take much from it because he thinks everyone's just against him and doesn't like him. Because there's things that he's actually done to people, the deserve of an apology, and rightfully so they're upset.

And then there's people like of Anita, where Craig's like, I don't fucking understand.

I've never done anything to this woman.

Now she just doesn't like me. And like, what am I going to like, so it feels like someone like of Anita, like hopping in on it, or like a Charlie who are hopping in on it. Because if everyone's on the hate train,

then Craig's just like, no one's experience is valid. Because all of you guys just don't want to like me. And it's like, yes, there are people who like, I don't understand what Craig did to Venita for her to be so upset. All he said was she didn't, he didn't want to be friends with her.

Yeah, because she said team page multiple times on podcasts. Yeah, not a reason to hate him. But like you did yell at Sally. Yeah, you did. And apparently, you yelled at her in front of her mom.

Two of them came from her. And everybody was like, no, you did. Props of Anita for not getting involved. I was like, please don't say anything in this.

Please don't say anything in this fashion, say anything.

I was last thing I'll say about this is I was disappointed that we brought up that Charlie was dating other men. And we did not explore that. Just bruised right over her. Just went right through it.

“And I thought this was a moment actually for that would have been positive for Craig, right?”

Like, I liked you. I wanted to date you specifically. And then I find out that it wasn't what I thought or I find out, you know, that he did kind of say this. I believed you over Sally because you were the one I was so,

I just wish they would have given that more and hated or like it with Charlie, it would have given her more of a storyline. Because we're all we're getting a reaction shots from Charlie. She loves Craig. But all we're getting a reaction shots.

And I'm like, sick of it. Maybe we'll get everything to her three parts. It sounds like it was to.

It's usually to for seven.

Yeah. It's usually to. Yeah. Okay. Charlie really wants to be the like Taylor.

Good girl. She wants to be Taylor. Yeah. So I don't, Charlie's probably happy they skipped right over it. We don't need Charlie next season.

Which Molly was like, "Ooh, I couldn't date like that." Oh, we love Molly. We love that she's dating a 50-something-year-old. Like that fits for her. That I love that she's dating a 50-something-year-old man.

I love that she has a friendship with both Austin and Craig and doesn't get in the mix on every single thing. She just pipes up when it makes sense. Like she was like, Sally, you do go out a lot. Which I'm like, how much is Sally out?

Three to four times a week. They said, "No, it's got to be like for everyone." But that's a lot. That's a lot. And Charleston's small.

So it's like, "Where are you going?" Like, that's a three to four times a week is a lot. I mean, for you, someone to call you-- And I'm not going to be like, to call you a bar rat and no one flinch. I thought that's something all agree.

Ah, they all agree. They must be at and like, there are of anything around like, good or like a good or rat. Like, that right there, I hope Sally watches about like girl. This is how he sees you.

Like, if he can't take anybody, if he can't meet anybody else, that night he's going to take his bar rat home, his gut or rat. Oh, poor Sally, like Sally, therapy. Therapy. I do like Sally for the show, though.

I've gone back and forth and I do think she's good. She's fantastic, TV. Yeah. But I do want her to value herself a little more. How old is Sally, too?

She's in her 30s. She's in her 30s. Yeah. OK, last thing before we go out, Beverly Hills. We're not going to do a whole thing on it, but they're still on Amanda and I'm over it.

I'm actually happy Kyle's on her side. I'm actually a fan. I am too. I am too. I'm over it.

It's the same stuff. Both may not have set the mask thing, but she definitely said Amanda's name. I get it.

“She may not remember, because I don't remember stuff either.”

But like, just the whole, I don't know if I said it. But if I did said, like, you don't like Amanda and just say you don't like Amanda, that's fine. She doesn't like her name, but I could have. Yeah, she does things that I can understand why you don't like her. I'm frustrating, yeah.

But it's just too much. And I do understand, you know, sudden and Kyle trying to help her out and trying to move the thing along. But what's up with this Natalie girl? This Natalie girl, I say, oh, Natalie girl wants to be friends with the cool kids. She thinks the cool kids are posed or read Rachel's Oh, and so even though, which I love when

The cameras.

And then what did you say to yourself, you're such a fucking liar, Camille?

That's what it was. It was a fucking liar, Camille, but even Erica, who wasn't there, was like, girl, just like, she 100% believes Kyle, which like, she literally said it. Yeah, Kyle doesn't get that upset, which now I know for a fact, Camille would have been lying. Because Kyle, when Kyle gets, this we have on camera, but when Kyle gets like that,

it's like she knows she's right, and she's just like so fabricated, then people would just outright lie like that. Like, that's all I am. I'm like, but you, I know you did it.

You know you did it. There's a camera involved. What are you doing here?

“Yeah, I think this was even worse because she was like, what?”

Like, you said it on camera multiple times. How are you lying about this right now? Why didn't Natalie just say, I don't remember when they asked her, you were there, did you? I don't know. I didn't hear her. I don't remember. And then her confession, she could have been like, this would have been a good housewife. And then her confession, confessional, she could have been like, I totally remember.

But like, I'm not putting myself in the middle of this. That's how she shows how to confessional. No.

And this is probably why. Like, this moment, I mean, she scared.

She was scared. Both sides at this point was just like, I don't know what to do. She probably had a bigger role with my girls.

“She would have had a bigger role in the show. And then when this moment happened,”

they were like, we gotta, we gotta cut her down. Cut her out. But she could have so handled this better. But there's a big moment at the end, where, you know, it's the, there's a line drawn. It's them versus them. And Rachel's own bows and Dorit are talking. And Rachel's own does not like Amanda either. But bows at the end is like, you know, because we see earlier in the episode where they're

chatchipeting Amanda, which I thought was funny, Erica and Bow's and Erica's reading it. And it's like saying that the negative things people feel about Amanda's presentation and stuff. And bows is like, I'm gonna say something controversial. I think Amanda built her own cult. She's built one. She escaped one. She didn't leave a cult. She built a cult. So they're almost doubting because chatchipeting didn't mention the cult. So they're almost doubting that she was ever

in one. But she's building her own thoughts. You think so? I agree. At this point, they're like a dog with a bone with Amanda. She can't do nothing right. She is sulky, sulky, mik, sulkerson. Like, that's just her overall disposition. It's just be like, she needs to manifest the opposite for that. Like, better to me. Yeah. But the cult thing we talked about last week, like it did sound really

weird. And I'm not saying that it's not a cult, but if it is a cult, I don't think it's like

“an extreme cult or, yeah, it sounds like a strict religious group. No. Yes, that's what it sounded like.”

And I, to this day, do not understand how she's made the money that she makes with the amount of followers that she has. And so I don't know what she got going over there, but she got people buying nothing. Well, and yes, I am not going to say that Amanda has built a cult because I don't see people like pledging allegiance or, you know, like what I, what I believe is she's built a community of people who consume her speech, her products, her mentality. I do find it for, I do wish the

women could just accept, she says it. She's like, I do present a curated life because that is what I've manifested and that's what I, like, that is your right. I present very curated. I just wish they would just be like, I don't like it and accept it. She's not, you're not going to get a messiness from her. That's not her. The messiest it gets is that moby doppy look. She is a brand, a walking brand. And so she is going to show you her, what she believes to be a perfect marriage, a perfect family,

a perfect house, perfect design, a perfect dress, a perfect out like every that is what she is selling. That is her image. You can either like it or you don't like it and then just move on. I'm getting annoyed with them trying to poke holes in it. She's telling you you're not going to be able to do it because this is what I want people to say. Yeah. All she is like a tad disconnected. So I also want to be like, I know y'all are used to being able to like,

rile people up and get people to react. They want Craig on the show so badly. They want some

to not be able to do that. She's calm. She's and it's like that's by irritating, erratatingly calm.

Yes. And that's why she looks like that. Now I know why she looks like that because in her mind, she's like, don't give a reaction. Just say calm. So that's why you get no expression for her because she's relaxed. She's in. So we get nothing. We don't even get smiles. We're getting really much to argue with. Like they could call her an asshole and she'd be like, why do you feel that way?

That would piss me off. I have too much of a temper. Like I would be like, say something. Like

“just shake you. Do you have any personality in there or like that? That's what I think they want to”

say is like, we just want to see you laugh. We want to see you smile. I'm going to see you be so happy. We want to see it. Give us your words. Like I don't care. Everyone has a past. We don't care. Just give us something. But they feel like they want it to be negative. And I think that's how Amanda's receiving it. You want me to say something bad. And I wish they would like, no, we just want you to do something other than just be present. It can be a positive reaction. But do you have

emotions? Like if I feel like if you were like Amanda, identify your emotion. How do you feel right

“now in this moment? She would say good. Great. Yeah. Those are emotions. You know what I mean?”

So that's frustrating. But anyways, I'm tired of this narrative with Beverly Hills. Let's move on. Let's get to the defeat versus Erica. Let's get to the, yeah, let's get to the, I thought we were getting it this episode. Let's get, but we're seeing the cracks, right? Like Erica's over. And Italy. Yeah, Erica's over her previews. Yeah. So let's get to the defeat versus Kyle. I'm ready for that again. I'm ready for that again. Like let's just get to it.

Because I'm sick of like as much as I like bulls, I really need her to hold to read accountable sometimes. Like I'm sick of that. I'm sick of it. All right. I'm sick of hearing me talking. That's it. We're done. That's it for us. But this was fun. This was a good episode. That's it for us here all over

“the corner. All over the place. So much is going on. But we have to talk about it all. And I think”

you were going to get more of that from us, right? Like we're, we're going to, we're going to talk about other things, tap into some of the other reality stuff and things that are going on, you know, and our high points of recaps and stuff. But a lot happening in these episodes, meaningful drama, nothing and Beverly Hills. But anyways, we'll be back all next week talking about everything. And are you watching ladies of London? I just started. So I'm going to be up to date

by the time. Next week. So I think we're going to tap into ladies of London. I've heard

really good. Amazing, right? Amazing. So we're going to, so guys, look, look forward to that next week.

We're going to tap into that too. All right. That's it for us. Everybody have a great Friday. I'm an amazing weekend. And we will talk to you Tuesday for the new show. Bye, guys.