Did Kyle Hit Rock Bottom on ‘Summer House’? Plus: ‘RHOBH’ and ‘Southern Charm’ Recaps.

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“I feel like this episode, at least that's what I'm thinking.”

Like, as I'm watching, Cali this week, I'm like, I've had enough! - I've had enough of some of this. - Well, for sure, for one show, that's for sure. - I've had enough, like, we've got to turn the page.

And then my other thought is, am I missing something? Because this doesn't make sense. We have to be missing something's got to be taken,

'cause when you say A, B does not match.

Just like, you say A, this person says Z. It's like, it doesn't match, but we're gonna get into it. We're talking to some of our house. We're talking Beverly Hills. We're talking to other time.

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- No. - Exactly. (laughing) - No, it was bad. - It was bad.

- Yeah, yeah, it was bad. - At your point, we must've missed some of it, because even the way that they reacted in the house makes it seem like it was much worse than what we saw. And Weston, Washington, happens live was even like,

yeah, I usually like to stay out of it. Like, he was going so hard that I felt like I had to step into it, and I was there for it.

“So, I think they must have cut out some of the way”

that he was talking to Amanda, but also, I saw so many clips on Instagram, TikTok, of people clipping together, Kyle acts in crazy throughout the seasons to be like, how was this the worst?

Like, look at this, look at this. It's been a decade of him not being very nice to Amanda. And the fact that people watched this episode and were like, really? That's not the worst that I've seen him act.

If you're Amanda, like, I'd be like, fuck. They don't even think this is that bad, 'cause he treats me this bad all the time. - Yeah, I mean, if they hadn't, they had to announce the divorce before this.

Like, it was just, it was inevitable. But what I'll say to is, when I watched it, I thought this is definitely not the worst, but also as an audience to your point of the clips, we're just so decensitized

to the way that key treats her, then maybe it was, and also to your point, maybe there was stuff that was cut out, but we're so used to Kyle and his antics, like West being like, she didn't even do anything,

you didn't provoke her. And it's like, West, we've been here for 10 years. You've got to been here longer than you have. To me, some of the worst stuff was Kyle lying about being with another woman, cheating on her.

I think there's what made this one bad.

“- That's what we're going around, I was like,”

whoo, wow, we got, we got the first behavior.

- Yeah, and that to me was the biggest takeaway of, wow, this was bad, but we don't think it was the worst because we're so used to it. It's like we're almost in an emotionally abusive relationship with them.

I will say that I forgot what he called her in the bathroom, but that to me was the worst, 'cause I don't think he ever has called her. He called her like a dumb mother fucking bitch. - Bitch, yeah.

- There were three words in there. It wasn't like mother fucking bitch. It was like mother fucking dumb bitch, dumb mother fucking bitch, bitch dumb mother fucking, like something, something funny.

- Any combination of those words, thought good. - I didn't know Kyle said, like, that was his lingo.

And I think that when he did it, I said, oh shit.

You know if we're seeing it, it's been done. You're cursing it, oh my gosh. - That's another level. Like if you're like this shit sucks and I'm so mother fucking tired and blah, blah, blah, blah.

But when you curse at, that you're weaponizing your words. Like that was at that to me was the worst part. - Well, yes, but then I was thinking I was like, would I rather be called a dumb bitch?

“Or would I rather my husband say like, go get a personality?”

You're so fucking lazy. Like he said those things are at the beach. Like the way he talks to her is a lie old. And you know what made it bad was her reaction. - It's fine, his birthday tomorrow.

I don't wanna ruin his birthday.

And the next day for West to be like, do you guys not think it's like a little weird that like Amanda's just acting like last night didn't happen. And Jessie to be like, yeah. Like she's just all about Kyle's birthday.

For men to be like, she's acting like nothing happened. That must mean that much worse must happen at home. - All the time. - Yeah, she does hate him.

And it's pretty obvious that she hates him. She does not give him attention. She does not wanna hang out with him. She does not wanna get in the shower with him.

“Why would she Kyle, when you talk to her like this?”

- And you know, I agree. And I've said before like Amanda is not nice to Kyle. And of course it comes from something. But what I also, I guess appreciate this episode is like, Amanda's like, I'm not perfect, right?

And I think some of it too, I don't know if Kyle is acknowledcious. And it seems like they don't do therapy, but Amanda has found her footing and kind of normalized out in the last couple of years

because she, I didn't, was able to finally identify

what was making her feel bad, Smith to health issues. As she's regulated now, that I can make an argument that that is one reason why she stayed in the relationships for so long because she was trying to figure out her mental health because it seems like now

that she is regulated. It's like, okay, this is not okay. What I would, this, I'm now not confusing maybe what was going on internally with my relation. You know what I mean?

It just seems like I'm clear headed. I know who I am. I know what I want, I know what I deserve. So like, yeah, I mean, they're saying everything, and I know how it is when you get to this point

in a divorce, like they're saying everything, but the actual thing and taking action on it. But it was, yeah, I'm still not sure if you agree with me 'cause coming in I was like, I kept, I was like, am I an evil person?

I kept waiting for the other shooter more. I was like, so when does it get really bad? When does it stop with that? Which is so bad, but because he's been so, because he said so many crazy things

and done so many crazy things, you would, I expected like way worse based on how Andy was talking about it and what we heard. In one of the clips that I saw like tacked like stitch together, it was the one where Kyle was like,

Amanda, some are supposed to be fun. Amanda, not fun. And I like remember that, I go, I was like, I don't know, eight, nine years ago. And I remember watching that and like laughing out loud at home.

And when I saw that clip in the stitch together clips, I was like, that's not funny. I thought I was funny thinking like, this is a one-off. I didn't realize I was signing up for a decade long. Like, I don't know, you wanna call that.

Yeah. I don't wanna say it's a abuse 'cause that goes like, we're getting a lot of abuse. Verbal abuse is a thing. Yeah, yeah, I don't know if it was,

I don't know the extent of what it was, but we did sign up for 10 years of that. And I don't think I realized that at the time it thought it was funny and maybe we all enabled him by laughing at that.

But it's got a manual we thought it was gonna get better. Yeah, like, literally we thought,

“how could you ever have predicted was gonna be this?”

And you know, I think Kyle is feeling like a man is acting a certain way and she is. But because of 10 years of stuff, you don't get to be like, my wife doesn't give me any attention. I mean, the whole scene where he gets everybody,

I don't think Carl's a narcissist.

Kyle's a narcissist at all. I think he's selfish.

“I think anybody on TV has narcissistic tendencies.”

And I was on TV up there myself and that. But I think that we've seen him show empathy. And we talked about it last episode. Like you can't talk about sear at what sear opens up. Like there's a side of him.

But it is all about Kyle and he loves the attention. So when he gets everybody's dancing and they're drunk, you know, Kyle's having the time in his life. Like I'm setting the vibes, everybody's gathered around, energy, energy, energy and then they for whatever reason,

they're drunk, you know how it is. Like they just wonder off and Kyle and that room by himself. - Praying it. - Praying it. Take it.

I'm Amanda. I would. - What the word? - We've shot that. And framed that picture of like that overhead shot

of Kyle in the room by himself. Is he wearing your crown? It's his birthday pretty, oh, those birthday was Monday, he said. But like it's his birthday weekend.

He's by himself alone.

“And I just thought he was so fine having a good time without him.”

- And he's like, no, it has to be about me setting the vibes. Like turn off the music and go join the party. And it's Amanda doesn't want to listen to me. Amanda's having fun with everybody else. I mean, and listen, a part of it is,

they do love each other and Kyle probably wish longs for the days where he and Amanda used to have fun. So does she, but too much has happened. And this is why it's like love is not enough to sit, 'cause I do believe they deeply love each other.

It's why they've lasted this long. Love is not enough to keep a relationship going. - Yeah. - It's not. - We're taking a look. - Lindsay's in a minute.

- Exactly. - Lindsay's in a minute. And Lindsay has been on TV this long because she knows what she's doing. - She absolutely knows what she's doing.

And for those of us who are OG watchers, Lindsay, we see you don't have a storyline. And you know, I get frustrated with this, which lets me know she has no storyline on in the city. I know that baby isn't on the show.

I know the baby's not on the show. And what did I say from the beginning? If we're not getting the baby, what are we doing? She doesn't have a storyline. So what does she do every other weekend or every two weekend

when she comes in the house, her fucking job? And what is her job? - She's like, okay, I stir up this week. - And I, well, I don't appreciate it this week because you do not miss a cage.

But I just like, I'm not, wait, wait, we see what you're doing. - We see what you're doing. We see her in a little cage. Oh, watching him go through his like feelings.

But then when him and Derek actually had a conversation, I was just like, oh, wow, it's actually nice to see a normal conflict resolution between two people that like each other on reality TV.

We don't get it much. The fact that she was like, I'm not trying to be crazy and she was like, no, totally understand this reaction. I would feel some type of way if someone said this about me. We don't ever, we just don't see this.

We don't see people taking accountability. We don't let, we don't, we don't see people being like, no, it's okay to feel that way. I would feel that way too. It was shocking to watch.

And it was like a five minute normal conversation, normal conflict resolution.

We just, we never ever ever see it.

And they clearly like each other a lot. - Yes. And you know why it was normal because there was honestly like, Derek had nothing to hide.

So she's like, I was so glad when she was like, yeah, I went in there.

“Even though I think, yeah, she was in there talking to him”

'cause I think we saw a clip at one point. But she's like, yeah, because going through a room and someone's laying there and you're going in there to change, because she said she went into the bathroom to change. You're not just gonna walk in and walk out

and not say a word to the person sitting on the bed. - But I'm glad she mentioned this should change, because that was like Bailey's smoking gunna. She went in with clothes. One outfit, and she came out with something different.

She was in there an hour. And I'm like, they probably didn't know that time. - They said that at that point. So Derek was just on the truth. - Oh, the change outfit part, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

- That's what I like. - Derek was just like, this is what happened. 'Cause Lindsey didn't even tell KJ that yet. So when eventually we're gonna see them go ahead ahead, when she says that, at least KJ will be like, yep,

already know that. Like she told me that's what happened. You know what I mean? - I was glad that she sent that.

- I agree with you a million per cent.

And she said that I was like, she's telling you truth. - Great. - And it was like, no, yeah, like she didn't have to be defensive because there was nothing to the story. And I like that she was like,

Because this, let me say, was not gonna happen. This kind of thing. - We're good. - We're good. But I'm not cool with that.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Lindsey coming in and then her being like, oh my God, you didn't know Lindsey? - Poor KJ. - Oh, you already said you were in your head.

I don't want you to be in your head. Yes, you do. - That's her job is to come in and just like light a fire and then disappear for two weeks.

Like I need, I'm not asking her since she's single, and she's found her groove back, new haircut, you know, whatever. And she feels great to go out there

and be the Lindsey that we first met.

But I need something. - Okay, bring me some question. If you were Lindsey, if you had a baby, you thought you were starting your relationship with this guy, that doesn't happen.

So your single mom, this show is your main source of income because you parlay it into influencing deals. - Yeah. - Like, I'm saying yes, coming on the show. And my baby ain't gonna be on the show.

- She wants the baby on the show though. - I know, I'm saying me. My baby ain't gonna be on the show. This is what I'm gonna have to do. I'm gonna have to get another people's business.

- Why? - Because I know, I know my job. I don't have a story right now. - Okay, we're getting a people's business. I also need to have her to have some business of her own. Why can't we see you?

I mean, I guess she tried to play with Ben,

but Ben obviously wasn't flirting. But like, can you get crazy over that? Can you not, can you get jealous of Ben talking to somebody else? Can we see you do be that kind of Lindsey? Can we see 'cause she tried to go ahead?

- Not in Carl, but Carl's been so nice. - Yeah, you're losing the audience

“and she knows that, like you have to stop.”

You're losing the audience, again, she's good at this. But like, can you see you go out on the town and talk to somebody, can we see you go on the day? - You go out on the day. - Can we see you? I don't know, crying over baby daddy drama,

can we see you starting a business? Can we see, I just, I'm not mad that she's in people's business. It's just that I just want to be the only thing. Right, like, are you a, I mean, she's a friend of, she's a friend of, it's a friend of.

So maybe I should just take what I should get. I do enjoy when she comes though. I do enjoy seeing her, I'm like, you see Lindsey's here. Lindsey's here there, she mixes it up a little bit. Hopefully in the city will get some of the dating,

some of the crying over baby daddy, or happy with baby daddy, whatever. Hopefully we get some of that from her. - We fell, I'm hearing, I want to hear you. - Leave Carl alone, hurt a lot.

- Okay. - Well, maybe that's for sure. - First we should go that. - We're saving it, okay. - Nothing else really happens this episode,

but I just have to shout out. Sierra's costume is top tier.

- She's always gonna win the costume game.

- Always. - And when she said to y'all know who Carmen Brown is, I was like, no. - I didn't know either, but it was her character from a few summers ago.

- Yeah, which she liked that. Amanda was like, oh, you're back. - I forgot that was her character. - I don't even need the character. The costume, unreal.

- That's really good. It's really good. And when we get the previous next week, we're there having serious conversations. Lisa, with the makeup on.

“- That's what that is, that is, that is Salt Lake City-esque.”

- Yeah, they actually should still this idea. This would be funny to see them dress up like so. - Yeah. - This conversation, looking 85, titties out.

- It's so good. - It's so good. Okay, Beverly Hills. I'm over it. I'm over it.

I'm over it. I don't know if we're missing something. And I'm just gonna say it, and I'm gonna move on, I cannot keep talking about it. Because me being over it, we're also,

I feel like we're laboring the issue in the sense that I have to keep talking about it, 'cause they keep talking about it. But like, I just wish both to be like, them saying, Amanda, you're not giving us anything.

I feel like we've gotten to know Amanda in some ways. And I'm with, what more do you wanna know? Just say you don't like my business. You don't understand it and leave it there.

“That's, I think it's also her personality”

is so flatline that they feel like you're not giving anything. And she's just like, what else would you like me to give you? And I'm like, oh, is it's literally her personality? I don't know what you want from her. This is who she is.

She's given us an enormous amount

Do I understand Amanda's business?

No, but I've gotten more from Amanda than both. What would we gotten from both season? The baby. I did think it was interesting. I did think it was interesting.

When Amanda was like, let's look up, both is reviews. And now, I was like, you're going to have a round of bad both. Leave it alone.

Well, Amanda calls it out in her confessional and I'm sure she'll say it through you and when she's like, I think she just, it's because I sell, I don't even know those did online classes. But then she's like, yeah, I know.

I'm going to say that, but I'm supposed to do that.

“I actually feel like I do remember that maybe”

would be flashed year when she was in her intro. Like, I think we saw her teaching, maybe at a conference and maybe she said it or maybe I looked it up. But she's like, but I do. I can't remember what I was talking to,

but they were like, I remember when Amanda's book came out and they were like, I used to see it in the airport everywhere. They were like, that number was everywhere. I cannot remember who I was talking to. And then, you know, she did that Carlos King interview

and he was like, yeah, I read your book before I knew who you were. What? I mean, obviously, it's a thing. She, I believe that she's made really easy.

I mean, clearly she's making money.

I have never heard of Amanda.

I've never seen Amanda. I don't know the amount of Amanda. I'm just like, Bose, both being like, we don't all you work. That's how I feel.

I don't want to let you out there. Yeah, I mean, now you know who she is. So leave it alone. But I am making some photos. I don't, I did not know him or her before this.

I did no Bose before she was on the show. That being said, just because I know who Bose is and I don't know who Amanda is, doesn't mean that Bose is more successful than Amanda. Well, and why do you know Bose, right?

You have mutual friends, totally. Talk about the black, like, the black, like the black, entertainment, entertainment, it's small. Yeah, she's big in it. You're one degree away if not directly connected to her.

But that's our world, right? I clearly understand that most people don't know Bose. If I did not live here in Dallas, I would not know Bose. Unless I was a marketing major as a black woman

“and I was looking up like, who is at some of these top companies?”

And so to be fair, you know, I think the women can talk about Bose a certain way because they also live in entertainment space. Yeah, I think those women knew Bose before she came on the season.

Remember, it was sudden who introduced us to Bose,

despite us never seeing them together.

You remember that, right? It was sudden, they're never together. So it's no, so I just, to me, it's like, you don't like her. You don't get it. Let's just leave it there.

You don't understand it. You give her more attention when you keep talking about it. We've got to move on. We've got to move on. The other beef that's going on is the one I want to hear more from.

And we're not talking enough about the degree on this. Eric and Kyle, I want more of that. That's the one I want to, but I will say, and y'all may not agree on this. Durina is a fucking point.

She's got a point. I am not seem to read.

“I agree with Erica and Kyle, but Durina's right in the sense”

that Kyle is talking to everybody else, but her. That's her one. That's her one. Good point. I agree.

Kyle is talking to everyone else, but her. Kyle even said, I've tried talking to Durina, I've tried talking to the people around Durina. So I feel like Kyle last season was going to Durina and they would talk and they would fight.

And it seems this season, she's going for people around Durina to be like, am I going crazy or is she a B and C? Which is not going to work. That's not a good method. No.

No. Good. And so Durina's like you're talking to everyone else with me, but if Kyle tries to talk to you, that goes nowhere also. And what annoys me about so Rachel and Bose are two separate things.

I can totally understand where Rachel's coming from. She was saying, I can't deal with this lateness and her anxiousness as someone. I am late to everything. And I recognize it's rude as fuck. I wish I could change my ways, I'm not sure I can.

Okay. I've tried, I've tried setting alarms. I don't know, maybe Rachel and I have talked to offline, I do think that if I actually

I think, because I don't even take a long time to get ready. So I think it's hard for people to understand why I'm late and I come and sweats in my hair. What were you even doing? But I didn't think I'd do what it because this is what I do.

If you're supposed to be there at eight for some reason, my mind thinks you leave at eight.

I don't know why, but never do I calculate the distance it takes to leave from the house

to the place or even from the get to the computer to come on a podcast.

“Like my mind thinks, okay, you should have to be ready by eight.”

I know why I will do this. Let's say we have to be ready by eight at 745. I'll be like, I can probably scramble an egg, make some sausage, do my makeup shower by eight. I think I can do that. No, no the fuck I can't.

There's not a world where I can do all those things in 15 minutes. But for some reason, I'll be like, I'll go fast, I'll go fast, I can do it. No, you can't. Also there's times I'll be like, it'll take five more minutes, no, it'll take 30 more minutes. Like, I don't know why I can't do those calculations, but I'm off.

And I think if I, if I was on, I, I've been diagnosed with ADD, no age. If I actually had that, I'd be focused enough to be like, I can do this, then this, and this, instead of being like, let me do all of this before this, do you know what I'm saying? So, I understand it very, because of the other saying, I understand being late. I also would not make my friends wait in hour and 30 minutes on a plane.

If I was running that late, I'd be like, I'm going to have to fly my ass commercial. That's my bad. Like, I will suffer the consequence of being this late. Rachel saying, I can't live like Doree, I don't know her long enough, like I don't know if

this is abnormal for her, Doree has always been late.

Is she more late than normal? It seems like it's the fact that Erica is like, it's getting you're being rude now.

“So like, I think Doree used to be how we're late, 1530, which some people might think”

that that's really rude. I still think that's in the next acceptable realm. 30's too far. And I'm definitely between the 1530 range for most things. Doree is like an hour and hour and half, that's too much, that's too much.

Everyone else is, you're wasting everyone else's time, that's rude, whatever. But Rachel's just like, I can't get involved in your thing, Kyle, because like, I don't know her, I don't know her long enough to say, this is way too extreme than what it usually is. Like, this is just what I know of, Doree, this is Doree's time.

This is how she runs her life. So Kyle trying to like mix them in, but I think she's just trying to like validate her point. On the phone, the phone conversation between both of my Kyle, both was incomplete, um, agreement with Kyle.

She just doesn't want to get into the mess and why she's saying, she told Doree, what she said. But like, okay, you still agreed with what Kyle was saying, but Doree's point was, these, they came to me and talked to me.

“And that's why I'm like, that's where Kyle loses, because yeah, you could say, I”

think that last year, the point, she's still, Kyle saying it's still valid. Yes. I'm okay. Sure. I should have talked to you, I'm sorry for that.

Let's move on to the second point where both agrees with me that you're acting

aeratic. So what about that? I think the, when Doree's, when they're sitting in the hot sun, which, by the way, I loved all of their outfits in that same. I thought Kyle looked like when they're, when they're walking in that, a desolate

town, and they're, and that Jolado sand pops up out of nowhere and then Kyle's like, oh, we didn't pay. And then you see the horizon, like, just the sky and you hear someone say, we need to pay. And I'm like, they did not pay.

Like, you don't see that clearly was put in the post. But they all looked, I loved all their, like, their Italian vibes. Very cute. When Doree's like, let's get out of this hot sun, and this isn't the proper place for just to be, to be having this kind of conversation, or staccato, the staccato in

the way she talks. She's has a point when she said, I don't, the point is, I trust both. I don't trust both. Yes. Yes.

Kyle and Kyle, what I will say, like, Eric has now come more to Kyle's side, which we see. But there's a lack of trust for both. So I think with Kyle, the reason she doesn't have the relationship to go to Bowe's, like, Doree does is because she has lost trust, and being able to tell Doree something

of grace in what she's saying, because she, as she said, I don't trust you.

And even though we've seen them move past last season and be cordial, they still are not friends at the end of the day.

“That's why you're seeing this, this blow up.”

They tolerate each other because they know that we as an audience are sick of seeing them at odds, but they don't like each other. There's love there because of history, they don't like each other. And that's what we're seeing at the end of the day. And if Kyle had more respect for Doree and more of a love there, or a like there, I should

say, she would have gone to Doree and done that. But like, I just don't think she, at this point where their friendship is, she's a pretty care to. Yeah. No.

I also think that for Doree, based off the person that we know, it's easier for Doree

to be friends with new people that don't know all of the things of the past than people that know all of this and have connections with people like they both Erica, which Erica obviously is friends with Doree and just like knows PK through Doree. But Kyle's actually friends with PK. Yeah.

Doree would way rather be friends with people that like don't know any of it and all of it. And even like financially, Kyle and Erica are way more aware of her experiences and some of the issues that her and PK have had, Marisa even loaned them money at one point from what we know that.

Yeah. I think I can't remember what it was. But it was said that that mode like helped at one point.

“But I think it was, it was told to us kind of like, he helped and got paid back.”

I don't know. I just remember Mo helped with something. So it's easier for Doree to go and spend and be whatever and put on this facade for people that don't know any of the past stuff. You know what I mean?

I loved when Doree was like, all right, I'm done, come on girls and Erica was like, I'm not going anywhere. I was like, thank you because also the fact that Erica was there and Doree was talking to her kind of like, no, you're not going to talk, Erica was like, who the fuck are you talking to?

I'm going to talk whenever I want to talk. Yeah. And I know, to me, it did not feel like they were ganging up on her. And I don't think that Erica came into it being like, we're going to gang up on her. I mean, they didn't plan to have the conversation, yeah, yeah, I just don't think that Erica

came into it thinking we're ganging up on her. I feel like Erica and we've seen Erica be like, play the middle between both of them for a long time. So I feel like it's weird that Doree didn't recognize that at all because Erica has taken Doree's sides in certain issues.

So I'm like, I feel like Erica was kind of like, I just agree with Kyle, like you are extra late right now, how you are being a little erratic and like we are your friends, what's going on? Concern. Yeah.

I would have thought that the Erica would have balanced it out. And that's to your point, such a good point. She'd rather surround herself with people who don't know her as well to almost recreate the narrative because Erica's coming to you as a concerned friend. Like, yeah, she's annoyed with the lateness who wouldn't be.

But she's trying to have a conversation with you and you won't allow her in as a friend to genuinely talk to you about Concern, she has. You don't want to hear that.

“And I think she reads someone on her because she's agreeing with Kyle with Kyle.”

So her agreeing with Kyle, I feel like to Doree was just like, oh, you're not my friend anymore. Yeah, Doree make some comment about Erica, not lack of trust, but like their friendship. Because remember, Doree was annoyed upset that she didn't know about Erica dating. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. And then ever since then, I feel like Doree's been different because when Doree, something happened with Doree, I can't remember when they first got to Italy, she had lunch or dinner with P.K. And Erica is like, you do tell me and she's like, I trust myself with certain, remember

she's like, the sentiment was a pair of shoes, what information I'm going to tell certain people. And Erica was kind of like, what? So that's that Doree immediately kind of switched in that moment where she didn't know. She found out with everybody else that Erica had a boyfriend.

And so I, yeah, Doree is so on the defense that she can't hear anything because the lane is annoying, but I will agree like when I saw Doree running around that room talking on the phone and like scattered in her robe, that makes me anxious.

She is always rumbling through her, like there is a, I think Kyle used was overwhelmed.

Your house is in core closure, that's information as you claim it was new to you. I doubt that. And if trying to figure out your next step, you've been taking care of, you know, your husband's been the breadwinner, you kind of have to worry about this stuff. Now you were trying to figure out how to navigate life as a single woman with two kids.

And it doesn't seem like you're going to get this crazy settlement to be able to survive off of. It sounds like you're going to be on for the debt in this relationship, because they don't have to agree to that, but if they do split everything 50 50, she's going to take his debt.

And so even if even if they do split 50 50, sure, you get your, you get his debt, but

it was reported that she's almost a million dollars in debt from spending not having to

do it the house. Oh, I didn't. Oh, I don't. And it's that if she was $860,000,000 in debt, I thought that was the mortgage, no, oh, I thought that was that was the mortgage was $800,000 something too.

Oh, I thought that her house was in foreclosure. She said that she thought P.K. was paying it, which, I know, we talked about it on the two station, but like, we have talked about a lot of women, a lot majority actually, I'd probably say, that are in marriages and there has been handled, the finances, like, don't keep up with the mortgage,

I guess. Well, last year, we had already had conversations about you not knowing things and how you need to know things. So I'm just like, how do you still not know things and you guys are separated and

“not communicating, you just don't check to see if the mortgage is paid?”

Also, I've never been in foreclosure and I don't think you have either a correct and bad

role. I would like to describe that statement. I will say that, like, I've been battling Verizon for seven years over $200 at, I won't pay it because I know that I don't, I never had a cell phone with Verizon. So I just refuse to pay this fucking debt and it brings my credit score down, but I just

will not pay it because I know I don't, I didn't do it. That being said, I didn't just get a thing that was like, hey, this now is affecting your credit score, I got 50 fucking emails, I got letters, I got phone calls. So if you're $862,000 in debt from a mortgage, that's not her house is 6.5, right? So her mortgage is roughly, I'm guessing, around obviously depends on how much money down

whatever, but like, it's probably around giving a wide range, 20 to $40,000 a month. It's way more than 20. Let me tell you that right now. I said a wide range. Oh, I'm like, it's way more than 20.

If I had to guess, I would guess this between 35 and 50 depending on how much they put down, I think I want to do a face range. So that's more than a year. Well, that's not one month, that's not two months, that's not three months, a set for a month.

So like, you were alerted that it was not being paid at some point. The last payment they said was September 20, 25.

“So that's what it was, I don't know if it came out of court papers or whatever.”

So that's, let's just say $100,000 a month, you know what I think, as they said last payment, they probably were already in the, you know what I mean, like, they paid it, is what I'm, is what I did here, but they got something, it's definitely 50 something thousand, it depends on when they bought it in the interest, but like, definitely, and you have property tax. But, and it's like, do they choose to pay their property tax per month or do they pay it

at the end of the year? It clearly put the least amount of money down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I, I said this on Tuesday, I could see PK saying, you, I'll move out, you get in the kids keep the house and I'll keep taking care of the kids and her being like, that's, should she have accepted that knowing what we seemed the little we know about their divorce, no, but I could see her being like, that makes things easy for me. Sure.

We're not totally, but we know this has not the first time.

Your house has been foreclosed multiple times.

“That's why I'm just going to say, because we know this isn't the first time, but I could”

also see to read being like, surely he would do that to his children.

I can see how you could excuse your way out of it, but all that to say super overwhelmed,

super scattered. Right. Rightfully so.

“Rightfully so, your kids seem to be more in the know than you'd like, they're asking”

questions. This is also very public, so you add that to it. That's also not take away, say what you will, whether you believe it or not, we know what happened with the burglary and her being, you know, tied up and all of that if she's now living by herself, that can add added stress to it.

There's just a lot. I just wish Doree would be like, I am scattered and both for well. I'm not. It's so good. When Erica brought it up, it would have been an even, even Kyle, it would have gone so

far for her to be like, guys, you're right, I know that I'm overwhelmed. I know that I'm scattered brain. I am hanging on by a fucking thread. And if she had just paused and just boo hoo'd, I mean, I'm not talking about it. I'm just, hey, cry, people forgot to say it like, yeah, so, I mean, I, I hate that this

episode ended with, well, first off, can I just laugh at Kathy coming back from her long

day taking a break saying, I'm friend of, I'm not filmed with y'all today, I'm going to Florence to do what I do. And then she comes back and she's like, this has been a beautiful trip, which it really has been. And she's like, best trip, best trip, both.

And she's like, I just want everybody to realize where we are and how beautiful this moment is. And I'm like, that is a woman who took the day off. That is woman that, that is energy of, I don't know about y'all, but I had a fantastic day.

I'm happy to be back for this beautiful dinner. Please don't ruin my vibe. And then they run. I like, I liked in the morning when, uh, Kyle was like, I can't believe she lied and she's a liar.

And Kathy's like, liar is a big word, Kyle. And Kyle's like, Kathy, I'm your sister. She lied to me, liar is a big word, that is what she is. And Kathy was like, all right, she's a liar, then. It's funny to me how Natalie's just bounce back.

And I'm like, that is the woman who's never been on a housewives or just on TV.

Kyle's right, the cameras don't lie, but in that moment for you, you still are up because the cameras have not replayed it back. Yeah. So she's like, I'm a little long, bounces smiling, I'll get in the tan. I'm like, she's watching this last week in this week, it was all good just a few months

ago. Everyone's like, get this Natalie out of here. You don't even go here. She posted being like, I made a mistake. It's my first time reality television.

I'll do better next time, and everyone's like, next time. It's not that you just made a mistake, like, you, like, both also, of course, but it was like, both was like, did I say that? I didn't say that. I don't know.

It felt different. It's like, Natalie, you were like, no, I heard it. And I said it in this, I don't know, I don't know why it felt different. But Natalie's lie just felt bigger. It felt like she was like, who cares?

“She's like, she's like, I don't remember it, but maybe I did.”

I don't know. Yeah. Natalie was like, I didn't say that. It was like, go, yes, you did. I'll say that.

Yes, you did. You said it in an hour ago. Stone sober. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about.

That was like, what are you all talking about, eight things have happened since earlier, what are we talking about? I don't know if I said that. Exactly. Exactly.

So yeah, okay girl, good luck. Talk about next time. (laughs) Okay, Southern Charms, Southern Charms, Southern Charms. I'm thinking of next time, do we think Craig is back for next season?

And, and, and, and, if you were him, would you come back? Craig shouldn't come back. I'm okay with Craig not coming back. Um, everyone knows how much I love Craig. Um, I would not be mad at him if he did not come back.

That being said, based off of this season, there would have to be a lot of cast changes because I don't know what the show's about if he's not on it since so many people made their storyline about him. I feel like he thinks and people around him, they, it seems like are probably telling him,

“no, you have to do it, you have to do it.”

He is a big enough entity now, in my opinion, like his popularity, how well his like slowing down south is doing. If he's not on the reality show, his, his story is still going to do well.

are his friends and I'm not saying that he did nothing wrong. He did a lot wrong. But even when there was places to give him grace or to give him like, well, this doesn't make sense or it seems like nothing he ever does or says is going to be good enough for them. They don't think that he's capable of changing or doing better.

Everything he says, there's like an I role, Madison is the only person on the cast that seems to see his side of the, his, his point of view on anything. But I do think it's interesting, like, even with the him and Sally back and forth.

It seems like people mostly agree with Craig, if they didn't, Austin would never have

sat him down and been like, hey, she's lying. We met a guy like she has another guy, Sally, supposedly about Charlie Charlie's friend. Charlie. Okay. Yeah.

Supposedly Charlie's friend is telling Craig, she's talking to people talking to other people whatever. When Charlie and Craig are going back and forth, no one said anything and I'm like, y'all just said, y'all just validated what Craig was saying, but they don't want to have his back because they don't like him.

“I don't know if I got that, I, I, I think, I think, I think, I think Sally, obviously Madison,”

when he wasn't there, but I would throw him in and maybe Rodrigo, I think they like Craig.

I just think, and I think their friendships will flourish with Craig if he's not on the show. I just don't think that they like Craig right now on the show. I, the reason I say you shouldn't come back is just, I think I wouldn't be opposed to him coming back later, but I think you just need to beat.

I think the page break up real, and Madison alludes to it really took a toll on him more than it did. And it did. And that was already feeling rejected the toll season. Yeah, and, you know, we've set this before when a woman's done, she's been done for a year.

So it was easier for page because she's been, I'm not saying it was easy, but she'd been

having these thoughts, she'd been processing this. She'd been thinking about if I do this, if I do this, if I do this, if I do this, where Craig, even though it was obvious that they should not beat together, yeah, it is my, that was not a reality. I think a life was there.

Right.

“He was ignoring the problems, the thunders, yeah, all that to say, I think Craig needs”

to beat. Now, I think it's very evident that Charlie was using Craig for a story line. Otherwise, but I was talking about a group. And thank you, Matt, that one people were to clock that, yeah, you're not coming back. The fact that she is now dating just in, she's actually southern, house, but yeah, I'm

like, what are we talking about here? It's the fact that these guys are all acting, like she's some harmless little girl that doesn't know what she's doing, did it, what she started crying. I was just like, wow, she's from Charlie from the beginning. Yeah, she wants to be on TV.

And I've said she's Taylor, I've clocked to this, but I didn't realize how much. I didn't realize how much like Sally, because remember Sally has been on a couple of shows where she got her way here, she will not be on southern charm, but she will probably be on southern hospitality, should they get another season. And I wish somebody would have said, you, you use Craig, I do believe she did love

all of them, I do believe she called him, should all this stuff off camera, should really miss. When she left the reunion stage and was backstage and she was like, I mean, we talked every single day on the phone, but after Mexico, we talked once, Charlie, I'm, during the season, you tried to make it seem like Craig was like, kind of making it up that

y'all were talking 24/7, yes, you know, we're talking 24/7. And I think because it was off camera, she was getting away with it, because then her defense was, but we only went on two days.

“That's what she was saying, like we're talking, that's why Craig's like, well, she love”

bombing, because the, the time in the action love bomb her, I don't think, I think it's the time she loved bomb him, but do I think that she led him to the bomb that they could be something outside of filming, yes, and I don't think that was ever her plan. Yeah, I think her plan was to build her profile. Now, thank you, Madison, because I was like, am I stupid, when Sally introduced Charlie,

then as the season went on, it was like, we tell each other everything and we're best

friends, and I thought, I kept thinking, I thought y'all were fairly new, but they were so both of them were so adamant about it, I thought, well, maybe I made that up in my mind, and they've known each other. So when Madison was like, how long have y'all even known each other like five months, y'all throw around best friend, so casual, and I like, yeah, thank you, because what it really

turns out to be, I bet they met out, I bet Sally was like, you're cute, whatever, they're like, and they're thinking, yeah, and that is why she brought her on, and I think that's

“why their friendship has recovered, and I think that's why Charlie had no problem sending”

that going on a day with Craig, despite Sally filling so direct, rejected by him, because

they weren't real friends, and maybe they're closer now, but they weren't real friends. And so this is also why I'm also like, and now criticize Madison, Madison being like, we're all really good friends, and I'm like, you can't be talking about Vanita and Craig, you can't be talking about, like you might miss each other because of filming, but like, we all hang out all the time, I'm like, where's, I think everybody hangs out with you, Madison,

everybody wants to be around you, well, I think they do, I do, I do think they hang out because even, even, which makes, like, it's so interesting to me, as much as Austin hates Craig, there were so many different instances where they talked about hanging out all of them, where they were like, Sally told me this, and Austin told me this, and we were out here, and we were there, but those three together, yeah, yeah, not as, I don't think

that's how she made it, she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like,

“that's why I don't think the entire group hangs out, I think that I agree with you, I don't”

think the entire group hangs out together, I think, like, pockets of the group hang out together, yeah, and Madison is generally invited to every pocket, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, I don't know if we can even tell, I mean, the Anita and Craig's situation, I am very happy that it seems like they have agreed to disagree in our, in a better place by the end of this reunion, but I don't, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going to understand it, I don't know

what Craig did to Anita to make her hate him so much, I don't even understand the Anita Sally when Sally was like, that's my girl, and Anita was like, yeah, that's because she stood up for you, and Sally was like, yeah, and Anita was like, until I told her the

whole story, and Sally was like, what's the whole story, never got it?

Wait, what? The Anita said, who what whole story, what up? Vanessa was talking about her mom, or Annie was like, your mom, and she was like, that's my girl, like, or Anita was like, I love her, and then Sally was like, that's my girl, and Anita was like, yeah, because you saw her stand up for you, and Sally was like, yeah,

“that's why I like her, and Anita was like, well, she did tell I told her the whole story,”

and then Sally was like, let's the whole story, never got it, and then it was Anita, apologizing to Sally, and I was like, what did Sally do to Anita? I don't understand, this was a moment where Anita really could have redeemed herself, and she didn't, and I don't think because she can't explain, and I think because she can't explain some of the behavior, so this is why at the top of this episode I said, I, I need the Anita to help us

understand, and that's what I was looking for. Help me understand what it is. That's when when I was like at the top, and I was like, somebody says, hey, and you say Z, like, it's like, it doesn't even, like, you're saying, I'm telling you, hey, I walked outside today, it was raining, and your response is, you know, I don't know, I, I didn't hear your cloud. No, not even that, because that's related. It's more like, I was raining today, and you're like, you know, this,

I don't know, I, I, I went shopping for a bag. Like, it's just like, totally, like, did you hear what the conversation is? It makes no sense. No. And I'm like, I, I deeply, and the only thing, because I'm, I'm going to be biased for Anita. I'm going to, I'm just going to say this right now. Do I understand? No, does it make sense to me? No, but because, and I think this

class in the, in the, in the cast, I don't think that she's close to everyone, which is why she got

“emotional over her relationship with Sally, but I think she deeply desires to be closer to”

some of these people, including a crack. This is all assumption. I'm trying to reason it. She wants to be closer to these people, including a crack. She's not, and I think she internalizes this, and she also feels isolated, being the only black person on the cast. And so this is mixing in with her responses, but she's not articulating this. Yeah, I believe Craig, when Craig's

like, we were never friends to have a relationship. That is fine. I'm not going to say I agree with

him about her reading reddit and listening to gossip. I think she was just like, I'm team page. She doesn't have a relationship with Craig. We talked about it on this podcast. Then the national reaction is, then Craig is fully at his right to not be okay with what you said. This is where I think it triggers in her being the only black person. I think this is a perspective that we can give as black women. We've been in these circles before, where, like,

we, you are not aware that we're the only black person, like, we are aware. She's been on this season for years. And in her family years, I was like, we're not friends. And she's like, you've

never called me. And all these seasons, you've never called me. You know, Craig's like, oh, we're not friends.

Why would I do that? But she didn't try like her to her feelings. Yeah. So for, for Craig to be like, we were never friends. We were never close. So I didn't even think it was a big deal for me to say, like, we don't, I don't need to have her in my life because she's going to say team, team, team, page. It's triggering something deeper in her. And I wish she could say it. But I don't even have it all Rachel. When she was like, we were, like, every, uh,

when Sally was like, we were good. And then you wouldn't post pictures with me. And you wouldn't, like, hang out with me. Like, you don't want people to know we were friends. And then he was like,

“well, yeah, that's what we have. I'm reading comments from people saying, I can't believe that you”

would let someone so do this and do that. If you're going to be on TV show, I'm going to even on this show too long. You cannot want a friendship with someone, but then also be listening to people that don't know you and don't know Sally and are just commenting random things on your page. And the look on ships face when he was like, he was like, he's been on any of your friends. Did you know what I think is happening? I bet the comments that she's paying attention to are like,

why are you letting this white girl play in your face like this? And like, that's what the need it is to afraid to say. And I'm not even saying she's wrong in feeling this way. I just wish that she could have a summer house moment. Like, Sierra had, and Maya had years ago, or what Sierra, Mia, and KJ had this time. It's like, I know what she's feeling. And I wish she could be like, and maybe I'm, it's not fair for me to feel this way because I haven't

tried to make you understand because you don't get it, but it is to be new shoes. So you don't understand where I'm coming from, but it's like, and so it's, it's allowing people to pick her

“apart, which is why I think what you and I do here is so important in the space of reality,”

you see, because we can give you the black woman perspective of we're not excusing it. We're saying we don't understand, but as black women who have been in white spaces, we say, I think this is what she's trying, what she feels. It's easy to pick apart what she's saying because you can't understand how she feels. So, and I will also add, and I saw somebody to say this, when Craig did say, the need of Sally was constantly coming to me about what you were saying. And so it got

in my head, too. I was glad that he said that to give a perspective of why he's additionally in addition to what you said to page. This is also what I'm being fed in real time of mine, of me being able to see you, because I'm also hearing you're still talking about me.

But he never looked at her in the foot. He never looked at her when he said it. When he's talking

to Veneta, Madison's in between, and his head is down, and he's like, Veneta's over here, and he's doing this. If I'm Veneta, that's going to play to my insecurities anymore. Why can't you turn and look talk to Veneta? That's to me is a problem. I agree with you, but it seemed like Craig was doing that a lot, and I started thinking, because there was a time when you're talking to Austin, he was doing it, and I don't know this. He would hold his bracelet from the magician

in his hand, and I was like, does he tell himself whenever you're going through a hard conversation, look at this evil eye, and keep telling or mind yourself, like, don't let this

But whenever he was having a hard conversation, he would like start nodding, look down at his wrist,

“and then he had his other hand like holding the bracelet. And I was just like, is that what he's doing?”

Or is he just socially awkward? I don't know, but he did it a few times. And I was just like, what is, why are you doing that? I think he was awkward because it was so much about him as we said in my storylines, and I think that he was in the hot seed for both of these episodes, and I think that maybe it was a nervous, like we all have our nervous gestures that we do, but it was, I can't think King, why are you not looking with Veneta in the eye?

And I just think, and maybe I'll reach out to Veneta, I just think if you're going to do another

season for this, I know you watch Summer House, you're obviously cool with Sierra. This is why say if we're missing something, know you don't know these people, know you don't, but I want you to be understood better. So if this again, I'm assuming these are your feelings. I could be all wrong. But if this is how you're feeling, how far audience get to understand you better because it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense why you, the you and Craig think, and thank God, when Rod Rigo

tried to take up for Veneta for what she said in Mexico, and if it didn't, I was digging, I was digging,

I was digging, I was digging. And it's like, yes, we watched you dig all season. We watched you dig all

the way, even her saying that, you see Craig like kind of like smile and laugh because I feel like he was like, thank you. Everyone would say that like Rod Rigo was trying to say that I was making

“it up in my head that I assumed you were tracking me because I think so. So I feel like even just saying”

that, I was like, I appreciate Veneta. Thank you for telling the truth and not being like, I didn't even say your name. And to your point Rachel, I don't know everyone on this cast. So like, I don't know if everyone would react the same way, but I would like to believe that at least some of them, if Veneta said Sally, I let my guard down with you. I don't do that with a lot of people on this cast. I thought we were really good friends. She also threw around the best friend card, which

I agree with Madison. Stop saying that. These are my friends. I hope. Anyway, I thought we were really close friends. And I know we're building back and we got some better place, but it is honestly really hard for me to do that when I have an entire sect of the internet telling me that I am a dumb black girl for letting a white woman do a B and C to me. Are they right? Maybe not. Is our friendship stronger than they know and they don't know everything? Probably. But does it

affect me? Yes. And if I post a picture with you, do I know that I'm going to get 10 times more of those comments and like I can't handle that? Because I've had to deal with that growing up in Charleston, my entire life, and being on the show and being the only black woman, the entire time, it does.

“And I know you can't fully understand that, but like this is the only way I can explain how”

I can do that I'm acting. No, for sure. And I wish I had had this conclusion or I could have seen a version of what we saw in the reunion before, because I would have reached out to Andy and been like, can you ask this question and try to get her to respond to it? Because I just think if we go a really long way. And I think I've set this on this podcast before. In addition to everything we just said about her being the only black person on the on the cast,

when I went to Charleston, it felt so Southern. And I'm like, I'm Southern. I know I'm from Texas and you know, I know from Texas South, it's so different. And there's just a part of it. There's still presentations. I've got news. It's just slavery every day. I was in Charleston. As a visitor, there was a heaviness that I felt just not just being black and there were a lot of white people because we live that every day. It's just so like, and I went all the tour. And I think I told you

all that woman was like, and these were the nicest slave quarters in town. Bitch, I was like, I was the only black person on that bus. I was like, what the fuck did you just say? That's the mentality and the confederacy and the Southernist and our pride of like what we were and

exists in that city. So we need us already caring that into this show as well. And so I wish,

I don't know if she's another black person or she just needs like a little bit more confidence, but I wish she was able to represent that on this show. But I don't think she feels safe enough to do it.

“So I was going to say the other thing that I would like to recognize is that I think Sierra”

talking about this in New York. Granted, it's the heavens and one of the richest of codes in

the US and blah blah whatever. It's a lot different than talking about it and having the living in Charleston. And so I think Anita is probably a lot more careful and worried about how she voices anything having to do with her use because of how it would change her day-to-day lives and

how people would probably, I'm sure she would get backlash just like in living in Charleston.

So I do think it's different. It's not like apples to apples and I can recognize that. That being said,

“there has to be a version of this that you will be comfortable with. Otherwise, I think you look crazy.”

Yeah, we just need, she comes back next season. I actually might send her, tell her to listen to this because if this is how she's feeling. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. I just remember anything I've said. I just want, okay, I'll listen to it again before, but I just want to help. All that being said, we both want the need of to be successful on Southern Charleston. Yeah, I just want to help. And I heard we understores that disconnect.

Yes, I want, and somebody's got to talk about it because I am sure as people are podcasting this week, they're going to talk about it in a completely different way. And I'm rooting for you, Callie's rooting for you. So, you know, we'll see. But anyways, and we'll end it on that.

“And we're rooting for you guys too. That's what it's about at the end of here.”

On morally corrupt, um, you guys have a safe weekend, um, seems like the shutdowns over. So, the airport should be clearing up. So, if you have to travel, I don't know when that's actually actually going to take into effect, but Senate, thanks for an agreement. They got. And it wasn't because of you know who, but hopefully the airport's clear up. You guys, oh, yeah, for sure, or blame, or blame. Be careful, stay safe, all those things we will see you Tuesday

on our new show. Until then, bye guys!