Emergency Pod: West and Amanda of 'Summer House' Confirm Relationship

- That's my attention!

“- You will never emotionally fulfill you.”

- 'Cause I don't want to be part of it. - Oh, it's gone sweet! - No, you're a man, it's a married man, trash, rock. - I'll tell you how I'm doing, not well, bitch. - Who's going check, Mibo?

- Guys, you asked, "Here's the episode. "Welcome to morally corrupt." - What a name! - Well, it's about to be a morally corrupt episode.

I'm Rachel Lindsay, she's Callie Curry. I'm gonna tell you right now, neither of us want to be here to do this episode. But here we are. Callie, if I had a mantra, my energy, this episode,

it's always been fuck-west.

It hasn't always been fuck-west. Let me repeat that. It's been fuck-west for a while for me. But now it's fuck-amanda, it's fuck-amanda, too. And that's the energy that I'm bringing.

And I don't like anybody who's listening to this podcast. This is your first time to come on here and talk about, ask me to see the other side of it. There's no other side to see. - There's no other side.

- I'm seeing that, I'm seeing that. - I am seeing that, and specifically from a certain group of people. Like every single, you must not have friends. - You must not have friends.

I, as people know, who listen to our podcast, I love West. I've loved West. I think he's so funny.

He has charisma, he's charming.

I still think all of those things. Like, I think he's funny.

“I think he has charisma, and that's how he gets girls.”

But, Jesus, man, there has to be like a level that you know that you just don't go below. And there's multiple things that don't make sense for me for West. But, my, him being funny and having charisma

and all those things, like, those are all things that most fuckboys also have. So, like, him being a fuckboy, I'm like shocker. Not that big, like, it's not that surprising to me, right? So, I feel like I'm 80, 20%, like,

like, come on, West. 80% of me is, like, I should have seen the signs from Amanda earlier. But, Amanda, this is, and, oh, the interview's coming out and things that she's said

and things that they've done, it's gross. I think, as a viewer, it is very hard to say, you saw the signs of Amanda, I really do. I don't think that we would have seen it. The closest thing that we got to it,

when it's a clip that's going viral now, is when they were playing a game. And Danielle says, I guess, those, the sneakiest person or the person most likely, whatever to do something sneaky, I'm paraphrasing.

And she's like, I'm going to throw a curveball, I'm going to say Amanda, and Amanda's like, what? And Lindsey's like, I agree. And the clip cups cuts off there. And that was also hard to receive because Danielle

wasn't necessarily a fan favorite. And that was Lindsey at the time.

“But if I recall, I think Amanda cried after that.”

She does, she does. Okay, and I want to break everything down because that points to something with Amanda. Now, to me, again, as a fan, if you clocked it from the beginning, good for you,

I just think it was impossible to be able to see that Amanda was capable of this as a fan. But I want to break everybody down. Good, not go ahead. I want to say my, one of my best friends has clocked it.

And a few episodes ago, because she's been the girl in the group chat that's just like, I don't know, guys.

I don't know, like, she just has never liked Amanda.

She was on Kyle's side, dropped this whole season, even through the last episode. And like last episode, everyone in the group chat was like, her name's Olivia. She won't care if I say her name.

Everyone's like Olivia, give it up. Like Kyle's awful, did it, did it, and she's like, I'm not saying that it's okay to talk to your wife that way. I'm saying, I think he might be right. I think she might be a dumb bitch.

I think she might be lazy. I think she might, and we're all like, what is your problem? Like, that's crazy, did it, it up? This week, Olivia is walking around.

Look at everybody like, oh, do you have something to say to me? Because I think I was right. And she has said it because she's like, we have known who Kyle was since the very beginning.

And being like, she's just selfish and wanted to be famous. So she was willing to see past all the flaws in Kyle. She knew who she was marrying and married him anyways. So that she could stay on the show, be on the show, be famous. He treated Hannah like shit, who is supposed to be her good friend.

Would it stand up for Hannah, took Kyle's back anyways,

even though Kyle cheated on her as never treated her well.

Talk to her like shit. She was like, I can't imagine ever standing up for my husband, treating my friend poorly. And my husband doesn't even talk to me crazy. So the fact that she couldn't stand up to Kyle,

who treated her like shit for her friend. She's like, I just knew about Amanda that she was never a girl's girl. Care so deeply about being famous, care so deeply about a man's attention. Like, I just, I never have seen it from her. I will agree.

She clocked it. I will agree with the man's attention. I will, there's certain things. It's like, and I don't want to get too off track. But like Amanda was young when they first met, like, 24.

Like, I just, there's certain things. I didn't see it. Olivia, good, keep, like keep Olivia around. 'Cause she'd be glad she'd be more.

But I will say that I have been critical of Amanda this season

because I've been like, I do think that there's the way that she talks to him is a level of like, and I, of course, I'm like, I get it. It's rooted in all the stuff that's happened before. But she is, and she's been talking to him kind of crazy. But anyways, that's, that's, okay, that's neither here nor there.

Let's get into 90% of people, 98% of people have not clocked it. Including both you and I. So, oh, you're not sure. I'm not sure.

“I think she talks to him because you know, I, I never saw this coming.”

I never, I kept saying I don't see it from Amanda. I hope it's not true. That's always been the energy. I really hope this isn't true. And even if I was like, I think so, Rachel was like,

there's no way, like, I can't imagine Amanda doing this. Because I kept saying I don't want to believe people are this dark. Yeah. I know that people are comparing it to a scan of all and we'll get into that. It is, I'm not going to say one is worse than the other.

They are both equally bad, and they, but this is different. And we'll get into that because there's a factor that was not present in the scan of all issue that is present with this. All right, you started off talking about West, the West of it all. Um, so here's a thing.

I have not been seen West since the first season, right? I was rooting for them at the beginning. The moment that he embarrassed Sierra, I have stayed there. I am page on the couch. I have all I have been like, no, there is something extremely calculated about West.

And although I do think West is charming, he has to be because he continues to pull these women and they're, and they're like, oh, he has, and they're like bangers. You know what I mean?

“Like smart, funny, like a variety, beautiful, like all, and like we've seen it, right?”

Whether they're on the show or they're off the show. So there is definitely a charm there. I'm not taking that away from him.

But what I've always clocked about West, post after seeing him, right?

Because we didn't know him after the first season. But seeing the way he behaved off camera with the interview article, uh, the New York Times article, uh, the way he was on social, the way that page said he was in the group chat. She was like, this was some of the heart.

This was like the hardest season for a couple of our castmates, and you were talking about this is the best season ever. You were talking about this is amazing. This is great without any consideration for the feelings of other people. You only cared how you look because you had a good season.

I, the bar is very low for men on reality TV, I've seen it from my own vaccination crew. These men, we talked about it here. These men are praise. These men are glorified. These men get attention that they would never have gotten before if they weren't on television

because majority women watched the show. And the bars low for men in general, but now you got a public figure added to their title and they get they are excused with so much more. So West stands out when you look at his counterparts on the show. Westy Solomon is cosplaying his Michael Boobley walking around this singing in a monotone

voice. You know, Kyle is a 43-year-old man who's trying to get his groove back in a DJ scene and frat houses with with 20 something year old. Who else is on the show, Carl is so I love Carl. I do too.

“But I'm just saying Carl sober, like Carl's just like after 10 years, right?”

Right, right, right, right, so he's been through a lot. When you compare West coming in, of course, West has way more charm.

He comes from preacher report. He gets fired, then he comes in with, you know, he gets the job at complex, which complex is all about hip hop and culture and fashion and it's an intersection of all of that. And he stands in that as being like to work there, you've got to represent all that. So he comes in with all of this, you know, white boy charm that they're not used to seeing

the audience, this audience in particular from these reality TV stars and then also some of these women. But like, at once, after the first season, I was like, I know this type of guy. I know this type of white boy who uses black culture to big up himself and in this case and as page pointed out, and we saw he used Sierra as, you know, to, to, to, I don't

know, show her. Bell and baby. Bell and baby. She had really had this, that was coolness. She was a fan favorite to show her love on the show and then through her to the side

when it wasn't convenient anymore.

I've always clocked this Frodo dressed up as a white-in, that was always done it.

Always. I'm serious, so like, it wasn't for fuck less the first season, but it truly has been the rest of this. I've had this season has made me feel so uneasy with him. His behavior to me felt like, like, West doesn't have a storyline outside of, you know,

I felt this way about Sierra. It was so dreamy, but I'm not ready.

“What else are we talking about with West if it's not this?”

Now people are pointing out little things that he did of like, oh, I just remember how crazy everybody was going when he was rubbing her leg or he was putting his foot on her. You know, his that Fred Flintstone foot, or he was putting his mini small hands on her back. I was like, I don't believe this, I just, I wasn't into all of it. I felt like we're going back to season one where he's kind of using her as a storyline or

the playing into it because he knows how much the fans like it with ever actually any commitment. I know this isn't about less, but I just want to talk about the West of it all because I feel like he has been glorified and the relationship with West and Sierra has been romanticized to a to an unhealthy degree, which is, which I would just like as an audience that we would just clock this type of behavior.

We give these men a pass to much of it. He was, it was so obvious how he was playing in our faces from the beginning. I agree. I absolutely was on the West and Sierra train. I loved it so much because they clearly hadn't insane amount of chemistry.

And you can see me, someone who has never met Sierra in her life, I can see how much Sierra

liked West. But for me to see it means that a manda could feel it.

“I think that is why this is also shocking to me as someone who has a lot of good, or”

not a lot, but like has a group of very, very good girlfriends. To your point about the West of it all, I texted my friends this morning because I was just thinking about it West, this is his personal hell. He had to commit to a woman. He doesn't want to do that right now.

And he had to. So that's one. Two. He cares so deeply about what people think about him. People aren't thinking anything good about him right now.

So that's two. Three. West has been able, and I think this points to what you're saying, West is pretty knowledgeable about blood culture, he surrounds himself with a lot of black friends, he's played sports his whole life, his job feeds into it.

So he does care about like quote unquote being invited to the cook out. Like that's his goal. Like he loves the vibe of being the white boy that gets the vibe of the black guy.

“And I think that is why he has been able to be so popular in charming on this show because”

he brings that energy and swag onto the show when we've never had it before.

To KJ's point, there has never been a black man in this house. So he got to bring what he has learned and from his environment into this house and people have eaten it up. Black people right now could not be more unhappy with West Wilson. So those three things happening all at once for West, I think, is genuinely his personal

hell, a joint statement with his situation ship, a man that might be in a relationship. This was a situation ship for West to put out a joint statement and I do think that's

No, because as we've seen within 24 hours of it coming out, there's been like 5 or 6 women

“that have come out being like, I've been talking to West, I've been talking with West,”

I've been with West in the past month, I've been with West for the past two years. The watch would happen live episode. He wore the tie that I made for him, you've been on and off for years. Like, West did not want to do this and I think I can't imagine how unhappy he is right now.

Yeah, well, like, fuck up, fuck up because here and you pointed out a really good point to what people need to understand is, the statement, everyone's like, oh, it's word salad. It's word salad. So let's get into the statement. Like a retent statement, not even a retent.

Can we start? Can we start with the first thing of all of it? Go for it. The fuck told them to put out a joint statement. 5 joint statement, the we, the we, is it saying, I know why they did it?

“If I was guessing, the move here was the only way to survive this is to be like,”

we didn't mean for this to happen, which is what they try to say, right? It's bullshit, right? This is the spin. We didn't mean for this to happen, but we've had this long friendship. And it without us even trying, it has evolved into something romantic.

And we never wanted to hurt people, but we can't deny how we feel, and that was the

mindset, right? Mm-hmm. And it was a bunch of words salad, but this is what I want people to realize. And it goes to your point of West did not want to do this. They didn't put out this statement, because they are, they have a connection.

And their feelings have evolved, and they want to be with each other. They got fucking caught, that is what they put out a statement, we never know. I don't know, what a man to really wants out of it. I would imagine probably more than West knowing that these women have come out, which I believe every single one of them, right?

“From personal experience to meet like all of it, I believe every single one of these”

things. Mm-hmm. They did not want to anybody to know, not one, similar to scandal, right?

We probably would have never known, maybe it would have come out, but they got caught.

That's exactly what happened here, these two got caught. But, and I want to get back into the Amanda of it all, because that's called diabolical part of it, but before we do the Amanda West, people are pulling back their social media behavior. Now, I used to follow Amanda, I am followed her, of course, I never followed her best.

I don't follow West, because we all know how I feel about that. But we know, I first met Amanda, we did watch what happens live together. That's how I first met her. So I was like, oh, she's cool, whatever, I have liked her, I'm not going to act like I didn't, which is why I didn't think I don't know her clearly.

I didn't know she was clearly clearly clearly, clearly a lot of people. Clearly. But I will say that people have gone back and looked at their social media behavior in these last couple of months, Western Amanda, they have been playing in everyone's faces with swap, like clothes, with song choices, with pictures, you know, the the name card,

West and Amanda things going viral, I mean, they have been, as we can ever, WW, they have been so ruthless with it, which shows how nasty these two of them are, even with West continuing to play into the narrative that we're currently watching on social, on summer house that what will they won't they with Sierra, West leaving comments on Sierra's page.

All right, two weeks ago. The Oscars where she looked absolutely stunning again because he knows the audience will eat it up. These people have been gaming without any concern of their friends, their former lovers with their cat face and what yeah, the cast makes the show of what this will do and

for the fifth, they don't give a fuck about anybody but themselves, either two selfish demons, demons, I say, demons, now getting into the Amanda of it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. One more thing about this, go ahead. Which I feel like this is going to keep happening because there's just so much here, a

month ago, a month ago when these rumblings first started, the day after Du Moa posted

the next day of Sierra at Lindsey's house with Gemma. So he didn't fully try it.

“Yeah, he didn't try to, he didn't say like it's not true, but him posting that picture”

of Sierra was like, come on guys, obviously if I was with Amanda, me and Sierra wouldn't be homies, that is so manipulative and so manipulative and crazy, like I cannot even believe he was like, oh, let me just post this picture of Sierra, let me go to Lindsey's house and see Gemma with Sierra and then like that'll go away. Which guess what?

He was right, no one talked about it for another two, three weeks and then they got caught caught. That's the thing, they thought they were, I, and another thing you just made me think of,

not only did he do that, let's not forget the rumor that first existed, which explained

why Amanda was hanging out so much with West, it was rumored that she was dating West friend, who kind of looks like him. So that justified Amanda spending so much time with him because he was showing her the streets, which again, the sheets, the sheets, the sheets, not the streets he was showing her the sheets exactly exactly, like, with even that comment, like, thank you to Simone Sanders,

who was like, the people want to know we got friends who are all y'all romantic, what the fuck is this statement?

“I mean, you don't study, we're trying to help him, they were like, but your homies, right?”

Your homies and he was like, yeah, yeah, she's very important to me, that's my homie, that's my homie. Yeah, like you thought you were smarter than the audience and why? Because you know the grace and the deference that is given to you and Amanda over a Sierra on TV and we will get into that bigger conversation in a second, but you know

that, you know people are more willing to believe you and Amanda than they are Sierra, you know that, like you know you have the upper hand and you thought you could get away with it until you couldn't, you couldn't, what's done in the dark or what's done in the hallway of your apartment will come to light, it will come to light.

And to your point, they were never going to tell us, so they weren't like trying to do

the right thing they had to because it was going to come out because it's Sierra new. There's a video evidence, there's a video evidence, there's a video evidence, there's a whole entire cast new, not only like video evidence, too many people have seen them together, too many people have accounts of them making out in little bars, like, day importantly, posting yesterday and being like, why is this big news, Brianna told me that

they were together at the Super Bowl, yeah, together only together before, yeah, like 100 touches set that, like why didn't you say that already before, like, why didn't you tell

“us then you should have told us the day after the Super Bowl, but yeah, that means if”

they were quote unquote together, like in a relationship, whatever they think they're a relationship is, at the Super Bowl, that means that this has been going on for a lot. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

A lot. And people look going back and showing clips of, I just before we got on saw someone put together, like, how close they would sit next to each other and I want to get into all of that, like, the way he is with her versus Sierra, when we talk about this bigger conversation, but or how just, yeah, like, they, I guess I didn't even clock it, like,

they are very buddy buddy. I mean, even everyone keeps showing the clip of them saying, who at the table is single

and West raises Amanda's hand for her, they're always sitting next to each other.

He's always finding a way to be close to her or touch her, but again, didn't clock it because as you and I were talking about off Mike, this cast is very super close. Very touching. And with each other, sitting in each other's last in a way that I would never be. I was like, oh, that's just what they do in the summer house, Amanda, Amanda, called

her a demon, called her diabolical, Amanda is a low, down, dirty, gutter, rats, New York rats. That is who Amanda is. She has proven herself to be that Amanda earlier this year, this year for this season. And she said, and I quote, oh, like, that's not the quote I want to.

Well, she said, she said, she said, a lot, she said, I could not have gotten through this summer. That's the quote I was looking for without seeing her support. Yeah. And yeah.

Not only that, Sierra did her interview like two weeks ago, not even that long ago, talking about how proud she was of Amanda and she's taking the right steps and she's living for herself, Amanda has done countless interviews, countless interviews.

This isn't over Cal, Ariana's situation where Ariana says they were really close and

“started to hang out a lot recently and recalls like, we weren't that close.”

We have documented footage, interviews, pictures, everything that you can, anything that you could show to prove that your friends, if you're watching Southern hospitality, the slide show that Matty made to prove that she's friends with TJ, you could make that 100x to show that Amanda and Sierra are very close friends. Very close friends.

Now, I know best friend, that best friend words get thrown out a lot. So I don't want to sit here and be like, they're the best friends in the world. Amanda was in Sierra's inner circle. Sierra was in Amanda's inner circle. They absolutely were very close on and off the show.

You're not going to debate me about that.

Yeah, they may not have been best friends, but there's a closeness. It's like being in sorority, right?

“And I can speak to this from the bachelor.”

You go through an experience together that nobody else can understand except that people who have experienced it. And that brings the level of closeness that you really can't understand unless you've experienced something like that. Like, I'm not going to call everybody from even the girls that I'm closest with from

the bachelor. I'm not going to say they're my best friends, but I consider myself very close to them because I have opened up to them in ways, excuse me, in ways sometimes that I can't my best to suffer because they don't understand the experience. Amanda had a front row seat to the entire west of it all.

Amanda was one of the people encouraging West to date Sierra that first season.

So, like, she was right there in the same way that Sierra was there for you while you were going through it with Kyle. You were there for her in the way that she was going through it with West. And to sit there, have a front seat, be privy to Sierra's most inner thoughts and feelings. Only to, you know, like, you look back on the girl club, which I like, hey, girls girl,

I hate that kind of thing. It's like, I hate when people are like, I'm a girl's girl. I'll just be. Don't fuck and tell it, don't wear the t-shirt, don't like, it's just be. We can tell if you are if you aren't.

And for Amanda, I mean, I thought she was, but I realized that that was popular to do. You realized you could monetize the girl code of it all. And so now I feel like anytime I've seen you with Sierra, it was more about for show and how that could boost your visibility or your profile rather than actually being a friend to her.

And that's in, like, this isn't a mistake. You didn't slip and fall on West, lips, West, dick, West, whatever it is. This is something that you actively did to somebody who considered you a friend. And yes, there's the Kyle of it all too, West on the show. That is a real thing.

And it's also Westmore, Westmore, Westmore, Westmore, Westmore, Westmore. That's more of a West Kyle thing. Like for the way Amanda has positioned herself, the way that they have continued to talk about this deep friendship that they've had, I've seen it in person that it's like the way that you're moving.

“Again, I really think when I see that statement and I see the way that they went about it,”

Amanda thinks that she will get the Amanda treatment that she's been getting the last 10 years where she will be in fanilize, where she will be like given the benefit of the doubt. And there is a sector of people that are doing that. I wrote some back on somebody's thread today of talking about, you know, this is, this

is bad and this is disrespectful and it's wrong, but neither one of them cheated. And then somebody said something like, well, it's different because of race and then the girl goes, the girl who wrote the original post, she's like it's unpopular opinion. She goes, I didn't consider the race thing and I go, and I wrote underneath and I go, well, then your whole opinion has no merit.

If you can't see that, shut the fuck up, but Rachel, even without the race thing, which to me separates it from scandal, it's bad without the race thing, like don't even put the race thing in it. I understand she's not even divorced, but like newly getting divorced, wants to live her single-girl life, whatever. And I was trying to think last night, like let's say like her and Wes are really good friends and they did hang out

and they randomly mistakenly or like drunkenly made out one day. If she called Sierra the next day and was like, holy fuck, I made a mistake, like I'm so, so, so sorry, whatever. I'm sure Sierra had been mad, but then also chose, I'm not going to hang out with

I think Sierra could get over it, I think it could be fine, you know what I mean, like

“whatever without the race thing. She not only did that and then kept choosing to do it,”

kept lying to Sierra about it, making everyone feel dumb for thinking it could be true. Played into it, not being true. And only ended up telling Sierra because she got caught without the race thing. Then you add on this huge element of knowing from her, not only how deeply she's cared about West, but also all of the backlash and hatred that she has felt from being a black woman and being played by white relationships on this show,

multiple times to know all of that and for you to still be like, well, I'm also playing her face. Yep, is yet crazy. It's it's it's crazy. No, it's it's absolutely insane and the reason I bring the race thing up, I mean, obviously for obvious reasons, but it really is the issue here because the timing of it is wild. We're coming off the heels of a conversation,

“we're seeing her a pores her heart out and is extremely vulnerable about how she feels as”

a black woman on this show, how she feels having to navigate not just being the first black person on this show, but then also being someone who's been in an interracial relationship a couple of times with some might on the show we've seen. We've really seen three times, right, Luke, who played in her face with Hannah, then Austin, who played in her face, who called her a Jezebel on camera, which I want to circle back to, then we see it with West.

West. Then we see it with Jesse this season. And so before we even get to a man of fucking around on her, it's like she's telling you that I'm, this is how I feel. This is

what has happened to me. This is how the audience perceives me and you will never see it

because you don't know what it is to sit in this. And I'm finally finding the way to say it to you and West is looking at her like a fucking idiot and Amanda gets up and walks over and consoles her and says she loves her in this moment. And you said, fuck all that, your emotions, how you feel what you said in this moment because my emotions and my desires mean more

“than how you feel on this show or how you have to navigate this world as a black woman,”

this summer house world and this world just period. So anybody who's trying to side with the man, Amanda, you can miss me with all of that because what we saw, not just from even Sierra Mia talking, KJ talking about what it is, you said, forget it, forget it because I don't care. I don't care. My stuff means more to me than any of your feelings. It's even if she wasn't her friend, it would be fucked up, but it's just even worse in that

moment. Like you made us believe as an audience that you actually cared. You physically got up, West didn't do that, which is going to bring me to another point. West, I'll go back to the whole thing. West knows exactly what to do to play with the audience, to make people think he's actually into Sierra, even what he did with Sierra. I'm not saying he's

not attracted to Sierra by any means, but it was never really deeper than that for him. It was

a calculated move, which is why I love page so much for calling that out. If you watch, this is why I say this season has never set well with me even more so with West. Watching the way that West has handled Amanda versus how he has handled Sierra over three seasons is extremely telling. And I didn't need a playback to see this. When Sierra confront at West at the very first reunion, he sat there, looked like as a mute, nothing to say. Just a dumb look on his face.

Duttering and I don't know what I could find the words. When she confronted him couldn't find the words. Over the last couple of seasons couldn't find the words to when she had something to say to him at the dinner table or when they went out or whatever it may be. He just sat there. All he did was complain about Sierra. Even to Amanda, she's making me look bad. She's telling everybody I'm this. She's telling everybody that again to your point, concerned with everybody thinks

about him. Even when Jesse confronted him this season about wanting to make out with her. He couldn't find the words to tell Jesse that it bothered him because he did not really care. He goes on to kiss Jesse then makes the comment about, I didn't, you didn't ask for permission. Therefore, making fun of the whole Sierra about it because Sierra was disposable to him. And for people who are

this season. When it came to Amanda, he chased after her multiple times. He confronted instead up to Kyle and found the words with that. He told her he loved her on camera. I don't even know if he ever said that to Sierra. I love you on camera. He was, it was so easy for him to like see how Amanda had been done wrong and how and feel sorry for her. But when Sierra was saying how she

felt he never got up in control. He never got up and said, I love you. He never, he never did any of

these things. And so it's like, he, even this season, he has valued Amanda and validated her feelings more than he ever has. Sierra's over the last three seasons and which is why to me, she always was just upon, and I hate to say it this way because I love Sierra. But she was a pawn in his game, a phantom. I mean, I should say, he is something he used her to elevate his profile, his platform for fame. To be honest, popular as possible. So become as popular as possible,

which we're watching him do this season. But when you really break it down, he's given Amanda way more than he's giving. I mean, look at the way he even looks at Amanda versus how he looks at Sierra. Like the stuff that they're. I don't really get it. I don't get it, but I agree with you. I don't

“understand it. The only thing I can understand about it all is that obviously Amanda put up with”

an insane amount from Kyle and she's clearly okay with whoever she's with to do whatever they want. And so that is the type of person that West would want. But to blow up your friendship, to blow up your career, to blow up the show for a guy who doesn't want to commit and is with a million other girls at the same time, I can't even like measure the bad decision making here.

I think that they thought that they would never get caught. I really do. At the, even the

behavior after, you know, West on watch what happens live, the posting on social media, like they really thought they were above it. I don't know if they ever really, if Amanda even saw herself. I mean, there's the quote in Marie Claire where she's like, "I just need a younger, fun guy."

“And I think that maybe that's what she was doing. But again,”

at the expense of, at the expense of Sierra. I want to her very good friends. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And like another thing to just like, the evidence is so mouth so high of like how West really didn't give that to shit's about Sierra, which is why I know all of this is so devastating because she definitely did. And she gave a shit's about her

friendship with Amanda. When West did find a voice to talk about the situation, he always

centered himself over Sierra. Like, even when Sierra was at the table saying about being black on the show and interracially dating, he was like, yeah, I mean, people were coming to me and calling me a racist and he was at that point that I understood what she was going through. Or even like I just said, Sierra is complaining about me to everybody. He'd never cared how Sierra looked in all of him. How Sierra felt what you did that contributed to people feeling a certain way about Sierra.

Like, she never was somebody you deeply cared about. Actually, do think he cares about Amanda more. I don't think that he wants to be in a relationship where with her, but he cares about her. And I guess that goes to what, which is why like, I don't want to, I never wanted to come in here and talk about it because I hate what's happening to Sierra and I hate that she's going through this so publicly. But it, it speaks to a bigger issue about black women on reality TV. And six years ago,

I tried to pitch a show called Black Bitch. You can see why I didn't get picked up because I wanted a provocative title. But it was a doc you series and nobody tried to still this because I've already registered it about being a black woman on reality TV. And the way that you are portrayed and how to

“consider to be entertaining or understood or whatever and I use that with quotations, you have to fit”

into a certain stereotype to be on black TV. And if you haven't started that way, they will eventually get there even for me, right? They liked me and then I eventually became the angry black woman, right? Then you have the cone, you have the Jezebel, you have the hood rat, you have the Miami, you have the Bible bumper, you have the Uncle Tom, you have the Oreos. These are all stereotypes that exist that they put black women specifically, I'll speak to, not saying it doesn't happen

black men, that they fit into one of these on reality TV. And with Sierra, you have seen her as the

Austin said she's like a Jezebel. You know, Sierra has talked about, you brought up this podcast,

“the Smith sisters on their show, shout out to the Smith sisters about her talking about how being”

called hot doesn't even mean anything to her anymore because people say it all the time, it's how she's viewed. We see this season, how Jesse looks at her, she's just this this conquest that they were, they're so curious about achieving and then they throw her to the side when she's so much more than that and like that's also the bigger issue that I need more people to talk about. The way that Sierra is treated on these shows is as a black stereotype, she's just this hot thing that is almost

void of any emotion void of any depth when that could when she's so much more than the way that

they want to put her on the show. And that is how West has treated her. That is how Jesse has treated her. That is how Austin has treated her. Fuck Austin trying to do a post right now to try to

“capitalize on it. Your hands are dirty too. That's how Luke's treated her. That's how the audience”

has perceived her and it's just devastating that now it's blow and and I'll go ahead and say Amanda, like it's Amanda she was disposable too as if she's not a real human being because you're looking at her as a stereotype, as a character on this show rather than considering her as a friend or as a lover or as a person and that's something that needs to be talked about and it's crazy that this idea is still relevant today sadly and we're watching it blow up so big. I hope this

Sierra because I feel like now people are like okay so you know is there a show? Is there not a show? I'll be honest with you. I'm not going to watch a fucking show where Amanda with Amanda and West. West, nothing. I'm only going to watch it if Sierra's on it because I'm going to support her

“but what I would hope for Sierra is if she does come back that there are no tears”

there and even with the unions we know we still have the reunion. There is the mantra is I'm not angry. I feel sorry for you because you're so pitiful. That is the advantage that I want to have. Amanda, I want to feel sorry for them. You're sad. I feel sorry for them. It's sad. It must be sad for you to have been embarrassed for 10 years on this show and complain about a man who is going through a midlife crisis and trying to relive his 20s and be out all the time only to date that

very same man. I only to jump into the arms of very same man and sacrifice your reputation, your career, your castmates and your friendships and the process. I feel sorry like I feel so sorry for you. Yeah I feel so sorry for you that on 10 years on TV where you get to watch yourself back and you get to watch how people treat you that you have not learned a single thing that you have not gained a shred of confidence because to your point for her to give up all of this and not care

about anybody else for another man who could very possibly be a DJ in his 40s as well. It's hard to like wrap your mind around it. As strong as I've ever been,

because we've all been sprung, right? We've all been sprung. I've never sacrificed a friendship in the

name of Dick. I've never been that dumb off the dick. You know how much I love that saying. I've never been like that and and to do it in such a public way it really just speaks to the ego of it all. Like and I know I'm going hard on Amanda and I don't care what y'all say but logically I've really tried to see is there any kind of way and there just isn't. You know what? Like I've also tried to and I was thinking I was like this also isn't like them and they're like early 20s

and just being dumb and selfish. This also isn't Raquel who like no one really had high expectations for don't think she was like the smartest person in the world. It's it's it's hard for me to understand in your 30s to go after one of your best friends who was also supporting you through a divorce where she is and has been serious been very clear. Her and Kyle are good friends. Kyle has stood up for Sierra time and time again on this show. We've seen it.

Probably more than anyone else. Now that we're like talking about it. I don't know if anyone stood up for Sierra more than Kyle on the show and she's still. Sierra still made a point to make

friends with Kyle and she was so far team Amanda that Kyle was confused. Kyle was like you

“see her friends. Like why are she going so hard at me because she needed Amanda to know that she”

supported Amanda. Yeah. You are right. You went through all of that with her in your 30s. You're getting divorced from a man who treated you like shit for forever and this girl had your back through it all. And you're still doing this. You're still choosing this path. I can I can me thinking of and trying to rationalize. I can get past dumb 20 year old. I can get past recal and being stupid. Like that was more to me. I was

more mad at Tom than recal because you know we didn't have high expectations.

This doesn't make sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't make sense because our minds don't think like that, Cali. Thank God. We are built like that. This is some ego-tistical like selfish, just I'll go back to the word diabolical behavior that we can't conceptualize because we aren't built like that. Even my friends were like, especially at this age, at this age, obviously a lot of us are married. But like at this age,

if one of my friends started dating someone, they're automatically just not attractive to me anymore. And I was like, when I was in college or like someone I dated in college, if one of my friends

wanted to date them because it was like a young dumb thing. First of all, they probably

still come and talk to me about it before they did it, right? But like sure, go ahead or like distant friend, not very close. They started dating my ex, fair game. Currently being filmed on a TV show with someone, currently being interviewed and talking about how close this friend was to me, how she helped me get through my life. Knowing how much this man meant to my friend, regardless of them barely dating.

Why? You live in New York. You live in New York. This is a Charleston where everyone is recycling the same people. You live in New York with millions of men. Millions. Yeah, yeah. This was your time. We were rooting for you. We were we were like, this is what a man is going to do. A man has

“got this glow up all of this stuff. And what do you do? Why? Because she's a gutter rat. And that's why”

that's why she's down there with the film. She's that's why she's down there. He's what I'm saying. I just can't imagine. And I know for a fact they didn't want this to come out before the reunion. They got it. And this is the thing. We a lot of people are like, oh my gosh, see her and he's to have her Ariana moment for the very things that Cali and I talked about. She found the can't. Yeah, she can't be Ariana cursing out Swiss and Amanda. She's got to be above it.

But I almost think that that could be even better of the I don't. I'm not angry. That's too much energy. I feel sorry for you. And I would have the most condescending tone ever while looking like the bad bitch that I am. You want to stereotype me as just a Jezebel. Let me show you how fucking smart. I actually am and above this because to be true, Amanda's a Jezebel. Amanda's a Jezebel and all of this. I have if Sierra does go back to the show. I think she should. If she does decide

which I don't like to stop letting these these these white people keep disrespecting you and planning your face and don't realize you. You. I'm fine. Don't worry about that. I'm fine with it going back. Especially with me and KJ are there. I would love by my dream scenario. And you guys know, this is morally corrupt. We love drama. We want to watch drama. My ideal scenario is that

“the cast is like we'd rather Amanda and West not come back. We won't film with them. That's what I”

would like. I would like them off the show. I would like the opportunity gone. And I would like to watch the house continue forward. We needed a shift anyways. People were aging out whatever. Kyle can stay. We can see newly divorced Kyle. We can see Sierra being single which by the way. The only silver lining I can see in all of this is they got here. You dodged a bullet and you can now move on from this. You can now move on. If she does go on the show, I do the

that she should volunteer to throw the first party. And the theme should be heroes and villains.

“And she should come dressed up as Amanda or as West bring her crew of friends,”

have it in her contract. I don't have to be there every week. I'll come when I want to. But she comes with her friends, her people. She has an adjacent house. She'll leave a stay in that. It's like I would be living my best Sierra life. But throwing like the first party, who dressing up as them, throwing shade at the same time. And then just keep showing how you're above it all. I do. Now, if you do, and this is my only ask, if you do do a sit down interview,

of course, I'm not even going to say let it be, let it let it let it be with me. I would prefer it, right? Like I feel like it's a conversation that we can have that most people can. But please don't go on call her daddy. Please don't go on. What's another one? I don't know. I'll fall. She ain't going there. But like don't do that. Like they are not equipped to have this conversation. And I'm going to get pissed at somebody trying to like it's a bigger conversation that needs to be understood

in a certain way. I am available. I've seen the date April 15th as allegedly when the reunion is filling, filming. I am available that day. If Andy Cohen needs an assistance, just to tap again, tap out. Probably after this episode, they're going to be like absolutely not. But I do hope I saw Rihanna, it's being reported that Rihanna unfollowed. I would love to see Sierra, you know, get a Fenty Beauty kind of sponsorship to rise above it all. I would love for the the the

company that gave Amanda the is it and flower that they they they replace her with Sierra. Like I would love for these things to happen and I like them. Yes, I hope that she is able to use this opportunity because I've seen that her following account has gone up tremendously to all the end to all the people who weren't. It's such a shame that it takes this for you to recognize and

“you have to feel sorry for Sierra to follow her. She should have already had a following account.”

She had like half the followers that Amanda or Paige had. Now Paige has other stuff so that makes sense. But like Amanda had a million followers. Sierra had like 500,000 at the time. Now she's like got so many more followers. So I hope that people follow her. I don't really follow reality

people because we talk about them. So I always feel about it. Yeah, I always feel about about

following people. I usually have to meet you to follow you. Like I usually have that generally if I like have to interview you or something like that then I follow you. But I do hope that she gets I do hope that she gets more from this and gets the opportunity to show that she is just more than the girl that you want to continually play her face and fuck over. That's what I have to say. I also hope which Rachel and I think are on the same page. I hope that she has a team around

her that is advising her on how to handle this the right way because to your point I don't want her to have an area on a moment. I would like for her to pay them dust. You know who can have their

Ariana moment? Lindsay never really liked Amanda. She's always liked Kyle more. Lindsay please eat

“them up at the reunion. That's what I would like. Yeah, I expect she was the first person to post.”

KJ, please. He unfollowed both of them. Yeah. Which him and the last seven friends for a long time. Yeah. So I also wonder like how many times they lie to other people. I assume that they have lied to a lot of these cast members. I mean up Spring reported that Kyle kept asking them and they kept lying to his face. Well, do you remember seeing Kyle and watch what happens live? This was like three weeks ago when Andy said whatever what do you think and Kyle was like I mean I would be

completely shocked like there's like Kyle was like there's no way that this is true. Yeah. Yeah. And I was with Kyle because how could you? How could you? But you know, I think yeah. I'm looking forward to the reunion. I haven't even watched this week's episode because it's kind of hard for me to watch right now. Well, just like finish on about what we know. I haven't seen it. You saw it? I watched it last night. Everybody knows summer house and southern charm are my two

favorite brought about shows and I guess Salt Lake City. Last night was not enjoyable. It's not fun to walk and it made me even more mad at West and Amanda because I absolutely loved

and being like I'm not sure if she knows she invited me because she's just sent it in the group chat.

But I'm coming. Hey. Hey. And he brought Gemma a gift and he brought a housewarming gift. And I just love how Carl's like I'm going to be nice to her until she accepts me and will be friends with me again. And she can say whatever she wants. She can say I don't have sex. She can say whatever and I'm just going to smile and keep being nice. And I find it very funny but it is the only moment of the entire episode I laughed. Yeah. Seeing Sierra, comfort Amanda,

seeing Sierra tell Amanda she deserves better and that she needs to have more confidence.

Seeing West stand up to Kyle, I was just like, again, he can find the words in the space for Amanda,

but gets so confused and becomes a blithering idiot when it comes to having to do anything with Sierra. And we're supposed to feel sorry for him in that situation. Man. Yeah, no. But you know in this

“reunion, that's what I don't want to see. I don't want to see Amanda crying. I can't do it.”

Can't do it. I do West being a talk. I can't see West. I can't. Please. Please. Don't come to this reunion with that energy. Man. That's what I can't. I can't see a tear. I can't see this. That's where I think it happened to you. You did all of this. Yeah. No,

very much. That's where I hope that Lindsay and Sierra are like, no, you can find all the words for

Kyle when it came to taking up for Amanda. So like, we know you know how to use your words. You just only use them for certain people. So you need to find them now. You need to find them now. I need Jesse Solomon to be silent unless he's going to open and close the show with a song. I only need there are only certain people that I need to hear from in this reunion. But you know, we got time to like get it together. We got time to figure it the fuck out. Yeah. So with that, this is the episode

I want to make sure you like, subscribe and share it to Amanda and Wes. I hope this is on their radar. Make sure they see it. And Sierra, I hope you are feeling the love in the world. Yeah, I hope you're staying off social with your people surrounding yourself with the people who actually deserve the people you know who care about you much better because it's going to be a lot at the end of the day. I don't care if your God's strongest soldier to trust people again. Friends,

lovers. I know. That's a lot of rebuilding a lot of work, a lot of not having to blame yourself, a lot of like realizing like, it's not you. This is them. This isn't normal. But that sucks. That sucks. And I really hope that she's got the tools in place to, you know, work her way through that. So

“we are rooting for UC era. We will continue to root for you. Um, I'll, the only thing I'll say”

is, man, you know ABC is thrilled right now. You know Taylor Frankie Paul. I think Taylor, yes. I didn't Taylor post. Thank you or something. Oh, Jesus Christ. I don't know. Um, but but the fact that the attention is off her. She is probably like, okay, this buys us some more time to figure out what we're going to do. But I just want you to go off her. See her about load to be the best threat. No, God. No, don't. Again, take her out of these white spaces. No, I do not endorse that.

Hello. Let me tell you how the experience is. Do not. Rachel. Do not. I hate to break it to you. You're doing just fine. Wonderful. I also agree. You moved myself. I removed myself. Yeah, I have not put her in these, but that batch of nation. Oh, let's bring in another toxic item. No, I mean, but if she's going to, if she's going to be famous, some more love on TV. No, she can break away from reality TV. We got to get away from reality to happen. I. She needs to be

walking on ways. Go ahead. Side p. Oh, that would be great. I am, I mean, I'm into, I am

“inter walking the runways and specifically swim week. I think she would kill. I want to leave you”

with West Wilson side pieces last post. Fighting against all men with small hands, no moral compass and loser tendencies and Sierra liked it yesterday. Good. Good. Good. Good.

Followers know what a YN is. Google it. Google it. All right. That is it for us here at

“morally corrupt. The episode that we thought we'd never do and that we never wanted to do, but here we are.”

I'm going to make sure you guys tune in for the next episode. I'm going to go poor glass of wine

in this 942 AM. Bye guys. Take care of yourself. Show Sierra some love. Follow her if you haven't

already. Like Kelly and some and unfollowed the others. Bye guys.