“West” Side Story: Hidden Hookups, Huge Fallouts, and a House Divided

- All right, they said they're new crystal meth

and the bathroom all night long. - Back my attention!

“- You will never emotionally fulfill you.”

- 'Cause I don't want to be part of it. - No, it's me! Go to sleep! - No, you're a man, Samaritan, trash, rock. - I'll tell you how I'm doing. - Not well, bitch.

- Who gon' check me, bro? - Welcome to morally corrupt, I am Rachel Lindsay, and she is Chelsea Stark Jones, and we've got a lot to get into. - Yeah. - Particularly, yeah, we got a new segment coming up

the rumor report, of course we're gonna give you guys the Bravo News, but just so much is going on in a way that I'm like, what's happening?

You know, are we going, are we, have we peaked

in reality TV and just the desire for fame, attention, and followers, whatever cloud is, like, so heavy, if this was like a scale, it's leaning so heavy with that that we are just like teetering over to a dark side that doesn't make sense.

- I am in a complete state of shock. I know we're gonna talk about it later,

“but yeah, I agree, I think everyone is playing the fame game”

and getting caught up in things, and the true reality is getting missed out on. - And it doesn't last, no. - Can I just say this, sleeping? Think of all the reality shows that it exists,

that think of all the reality stars that have existed within them, and name the people who break through, and are able to establish their name in something totally different, or break through,

you know, where, you know, I don't know, they go to a completely different route. Like, yeah, you know who really does, like maybe some of the back of the day ones, right? Like Patrick Duffy, who's running,

I don't even know what is official aviation for the government or whatever, like random people like that, but it is far and few between. - Yeah, I think we could count on one hand. - Yeah, and as much as I love to be entertained,

the idea of possibly sacrificing your reputation, your friendships, your whole well being in the name of whatever,

I'll just never understand.

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Okay, so last week it was confirmed that the lures Theresa and Melissa will return to real housewives of New Jersey for season 15 with additional cast members to come. I guess friends, Jackie, Gold Schneider, and Jen Fessler also confirmed that they weren't coming back

in addition to Mars. She gave us a full statement on social media about her not coming back. I don't know if I really care to read the whole thing, but no need.

She ain't coming back. I don't think anybody was expecting Jackie and Jen Fessler to come, so I mean, you know, whatever, but I think that some of the bigger, like, Mars is a big player.

Mars is a big player. I assume she's not coming back because Theresa's coming. And I do believe her when she says she walked away. I don't think she was fired. I think she probably had a hard line

and I don't want to film with Theresa and Louie, and you can't have a show if you're not going with one cast member.

“So I think that is probably how I went down.”

You think Mars did? I could see Theresa being like, I don't want to film with her. Oh, I feel like Theresa could care less. Well, I just, I look at this leading cast of the Laura's Melissa and Theresa.

And to them, I say, well, job well done. Because you, all of a sudden, after years and years of conflict,

So whatever, you were able to put it all to the side

in the name of getting season 15 back.

“And if I knew that that's what it would take”

to to shut this storyline down that we've been dealing with for over a decade, I would have asked for this five, six seasons ago. Yeah, truly. Yeah.

There's rumors of the new women online. Natia Ruffalo, I can't pronounce her name. It starts with an X Laura Quinta, Laura Quinté. Juliet Coulosa, Natalie Debunko, Aminessa Berrera. None of them are names that I wrecked.

Like anybody, Natia is an Italian wife, mother or two, and celebrity injector. I'm assuming facial stuff. Zamara is a Latino wife, mother, and business owner, Juliet is her sister, mother or two, business owner,

make up artist, Natalie is a Russian born Australian

raised founder and designer of Bronx Baco, whose designs were worn by Beyonce. And Vanessa is a wife, mother of two and social media content creators. So those are the very rumored, very rumored reports

of the women joining. They all look pretty. They all look younger, like in line with Melissa, not to say Theresa and Laura so much older than Melissa, but they all look like Melissa's age bracket, young kids,

probably, and yeah. Yeah, I'm not thrilled.

“It like, here's the thing, what I don't want is a division.”

First off, we've been beaten down with the storyline of the family drama with Theresa and Melissa. That I'm tired. I'm exhausted when it comes to this franchise. I franchise that we used to love so much.

It's just like, I want yours to come back, but I would have rather won either Theresa or Melissa, because I just don't believe this alliance. I do hope it's true because for the sake of their families. Yeah, you know, but I do it off camera

because if it took off camera

and the threat of you never coming back to make amends,

then maybe we don't need the camera. Because at the first sign of fighting, I'm gonna be like, well, duh, we never believe this anyway. And then like, okay, they made up,

but we're gonna have to rewind and revisit it and talk about it. You think it's a hope not. Well, how are they gonna start the show? They're gonna have to start it with,

well, you know, we're fighting. Now we're not. This is what happened to catch everyone up, no? I would suggest a montage of what we've missed over the last couple of years.

Like, let's just do a video clips of so. We decided, you know, like, to let bygones be bygones and come together as a family

“'cause that's what important 'cause we're all we have left.”

And we'll see them. They're giving, and Christmas, big life events, and laughing and playing together, and then just catch us up to. So you guys have missed a lot, you know?

And then get that and we just go from there. We're gonna watch because we have to. This is what we do on the show. But I will say, one, I'm expecting, I don't wanna see two separate groups.

Somebody from the new group has to be connected. And not in a, all we get are nails done at the same salon. Like true friends. True friendship.

Right, like, I want them to be the ex or dating that doctor that didn't wanna marry to the lawyers. I want it to be somebody that Melissa worked at the club with. I want it to be somebody who works at a alleged club. I want it to be somebody that is a Joe's ex girlfriend

or either Joe, I'll take either one or Louise X, Y, for, you know, it's like, they need to be connected. Yeah. And a nice way and then like a drama filled, yeah. I need somebody who works at what was the store

that they would also push an employee rush, like something that connects us them to each other, but not to necessarily the old drama to where things spark up again between Theresa and Melissa. But I will say, these ladies have to work cut out for them

because all the rumors are saying that Rhode Island is going to be some of the best TV that we have on Bravo. That's what the rumors are saying. I, you know, I didn't see it with Salt Lake, so I am open to being wrong. I still don't see it with Rhode Island.

The trueer didn't give me anything, but it starts this week. Yeah, it starts this week. I'm ready to be proven wrong. And they're close to each other. Difference, there's obviously a difference there being from Jersey

and obviously being from Rhode Island. And I'm very curious to seeing the Rhode Island way. But they're saying that it's going to be good. Bring it, bring it, so I'm, you know, good luck, Jersey. Because you're not coming in, you know, with the best wedding.

No. And I have to say, I also don't like with Miami, who we've talked about last week.

I missed their stories. I want to be kept up. Like I don't, I like Theresa.

I'm not like first thing to be like in her life again.

Same with Melissa, same with Dolores, like in Dolores. I mean, again, her kids, like those are her kids are having things going on in her life, they're lies. So yeah, I'm not like, they're, and none of the women on the Jersey cast.

“I was thirsting for them either, so it's like, I think they brought back the right ones.”

But I'm not excited for any of them. No, I'd probably say the most part, the person that I am the most excited for is probably Joe. [LAUGHTER] Why Joe Gorga?

Joe is funny. Yeah. He just, he's like shines on camera, I mean, like, let's be honest, you know, whether you're a fan of Melissa or not, it was Joe who was, like, brought the energy. You know, like Melissa had her song, Liz had her store, Melissa's beautiful, but it was

the Melissa Theresa content that added, I guess, like the interest for me that drew me in. And Joe, Joe Gorga, is funny. Did you say, Joe Gorga is the only male or the only, like, house husband that you tolerate or you're happy to have, give screen time, too? No, there are others.

Okay. Like, there are other house husbands. I like, now you're making a go of franchise to franchise? Yeah. Joe Gorga, for sure, there, I mean, to be honest, I like Simon when he was on New York.

Okay. Okay. I like Simon. Yeah. Yes, yes.

I really did. I don't mind Marisa. Okay. Now, or previous. I never did.

I never, Marisa will never bother.

Okay. He bothers me now. Yeah. Now he's like barely there. He bothers me off camera.

Like, oh, camera. He doesn't really bother me. Who's Potomac? Gosh, we don't really have Potomac anymore. We have more on.

We'll be had Eddie. I was just thinking. Yeah. There's a lot. Yeah.

There's not. I was right at Bond Ray. I did not pay. Oh, we. There's there's definitely others that I'm not thinking of.

“I think with Karen posted a thirst trap.”

She did. She looked great. She looks great. She looked great. Like, raise on the picture.

Yes. I agree with the camera. I agree with the camera. I agree with the camera. I agree with the camera.

I agree with the camera. I agree with the camera. I agree with the camera. Okay. Okay.

Hannah and Paige, formerly of Summer House, announced that they are getting a new show. On Netflix, it's going to be a half hour scripted comedy. They're going to co-write it. They're going to headline it. It's going to be produced by Amy Polar, which is huge.

She's going to be the showrunner. She's also serving as a co-writer as well. It's going to be set in New York City. They're going to star in it. Wow.

I didn't realize they were acting in it as well. I thought they were developing it. So it's going to star then they're going to be fictionalized versions of themselves.

And they're going to help each other shed their baggage and emerge as the people they've always wanted to be.

I feel like they're going to be a lot of Easter eggs of some of the things we've seen on Summer House. Yeah. Maybe on social media, all of that. But I, you know, congratulations to them. They just keep on.

And this isn't like a, what you see a lot. Sometimes when people aren't haven't necessarily in the work or didn't grow up, you know, like doing this or come from, you know, a different place. Yeah. Like a TV where they, it feels like they just kind of fell upwards. I would never say that about Hannah in page.

No, I don't know how long Giggly squads existed, but it has been around for what four or five years at least. Since the pandemic, I believe. Okay. So they're like right out of the pandemic. Yeah.

Around the same time is like higher learning. They're a pandemic podcast, they have a true friendship. They are funny. They are. They really have great chemistry with each other.

They put it this didn't happen as an overnight success. No. They have built their audience. They've built their community and they've gone on tour. They've written books.

They've hosted carpets and now they're developing this like to me. I like to see people who put in the work who are truly talented. And I love that they just keep like doing it. Getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. And I think this is awesome.

A lot of people will come to me and they're like, Hey, I'm going on a reality TV show where I just came off the show. Like, how do I, what do I do?

“And I think the biggest thing is to have a vision and stick to it and don't do anything outside of that.”

Even with page, I don't know if it was our podcast or an article. But I remember saying something like she built herself like as her platform. She got on summer house that she was something with fashion. Oh, yeah, the low to high. But she didn't even really have that.

It was just like where she wanted to go and constantly stayed in that path. And then she developed like became known as a fashion girly in addition to,

And so I think like that's the advice. This is the way to do it. Yeah, you know who you are. Even Hannah, she was doing the woman on the street. She leaves a show.

Yeah. People didn't like her. I didn't watch it in real time. So I liked her watching the show. And see all the, the negative attention that she got on summer house.

Yeah. Because I didn't watch it when it aired. But she wanted to be in comedy. She pivoted. She did the woman on the street.

She built this following. Now she got Netflix special doing all these things. So I just love to see this. No, this is amazing.

I've, I have never been a Hannah fan.

But I am a huge page fan. So I'm going to be watching this show eventually when it comes out.

“However, did you see pages comments on her on Gagley squad about bull talks?”

So she talked about date. Like, they were talking about the show. I believe it's context. And they were talking about how you date your biggest hater. And page goes, I've dated my biggest hater.

And everyone, obviously, is thinking she's talking about Craig. I'm who she has said is a hater. He was in my bed. And you never go to sleep like peacefully. It's truly so anxious because you're like, not only do you low key hate me.

You also low key want to beat me. And that's really terrifying. I had to relate. Yeah. To a you take.

Yes. And so obviously when this news came out, everyone was like, oh, my gosh, Craig's probably like piss spiraling somewhere. And then she mentions this like hater thing. And it's like, oh, yeah, probably. I mean, yeah, I, I, she's not wrong.

I think it's, it's, she's obviously talking from a place of healing. So it's an easier conversation to have now, but it's a really hard thing to accept the reality that the person that you're sharing a bed with, possibly planning a future with her. What did plan a future with? Um, is actually rooting against you.

Actually wild. Once to see you not succeed. Yeah. I mean, like, not to even make this about fucking me, but I am. Um, when my ex did that sit down with that divorce code.

Yeah. And said that I was up for a job in New York and was like, thankfully she didn't get it. Who the, like, way to out your, I don't even need to say that.

Like, I would never say that about something that somebody I loved wanted.

I would figure it out. Yeah. But like, who does that? A hater. So I would imagine when I saw, I did see that she said this.

And I thought, oh, I wouldn't be surprised if her, if either Hannah or Paige is dating their biggest hater in the show or they find out with a story line about that. That would be great. Um, yeah. I know I'm very happy for them.

And we talked about the beginning of the show. How hard it is for reality. Starts to transition into life out of reality. And like, this is modern era of reality. These two have successfully done so.

Yeah. Um, and I think it's great. Yeah. And yes, and I was sad to see Paige off the summer house. I'm happy to see her.

We're not just seeing her in my house. I have it.

I haven't missed her either.

“I think Amanda and Sierra getting out of the bed and doing more have been great for the show.”

I'm missing her like day to day. Yeah. I mean, I don't. It's around summer house because she lets it the perfect time. She did.

If she had stayed one more season. And I know like obviously I'm assuming this. I just think because she was becoming so known. Mm-hmm. Where people probably listen to Giggly Squad and don't even know that she was a part of.

Yeah. Um, a reality show because like I've seen it happen with with higher learning and stuff. They don't know your a part. Like here I talk about being on a reality show. So it's different.

Mm-hmm. But um, she was getting to that space that one more year there. I think that it just would have. It just would have been bad for what she's building. Yeah.

Like she left it the perfect time. Yeah. I don't miss her too because I'm just like, you are above it at this point. Yeah. You're doing too much to where it just didn't make sense for you to be spending your weekends.

Like you're on to a 60 city tour. Yeah. You're working on a script. You're writing a book. Like it's just like, why are you here?

Too many good things. Why are you here? In the best way. And I say that as a compliment. She didn't need to be there.

Yeah. Um, quickly last thing in the news. Mary Cosby is back filming. She was a real housewives of Salt Lake City. Um, obviously this comes just a month after the death of her son.

Robert Cosby Jr. We knew that it was reported that she was going to. I thought she did start filming immediately. I didn't realize there was a break in between. But, you know, like, we're Mary fans.

We're rooting for Mary. I can't even imagine what she's going through. How hard that may be. People grieve in different ways.

“Um, but you do what you need to do to survive each moment of the day.”

And if this is what Mary needs to do, then I am in full support of Mary.

Yes. Yes.

I am happy to welcome her back on the show or happy to see her thrive and heal off the show.

As long as she's taking care of herself. Yes. And that's the woman urgent role. Yes. Yes.

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She's been working with her for a long time. When you saw this news, what did you think? Are you excited? Because it sounds like if one comes one goes, we wouldn't get both. Are you excited to believe it? How do you feel?

“I think Beverly Hills needs a chaos agent.”

And I think that could potentially be Lisa Renna. I do think it might. It would be so bizarre to see Kyle Richards not. And Beverly Hills. That would just be strange. But I do think Kyle needs to live a little bit of life.

And get away from the cameras and come back with a story to tell. Because right now she just feels too many factored. And to not genuine. And still a little bit. So I just can't picture the franchise without her.

So it's weird. Like, yes, I think a Renna return would be great. She has said multiple times that she does not want to return to housewise. However, she also says she'll do anything for a dollar. And they're giving her a quality offer.

It wouldn't surprise me to see her back. But yeah, I don't know. I would feel, I'd feel some type of way about Kyle not being there.

Yeah, Lisa Renna saying she'd never come back.

Like, everybody, everyone has a price. That doesn't include it. And I think that it, I think she would be more attracted to coming in if Kyle left, not because they have that blood. But just she would kind of be the queen that HBIC. Yeah, the HBIC. So I, at this point, I'm for it.

“I'm for it. I think she's so cool with Erica.”

I don't know if how she is with Doree. I think she's called three. I think three. It was at her book event. Even better that there's a split between Erica and Doree. Come in. I'm totally, four Lisa Renna.

I was, I was for her leaving. I do think people need resets. I'm for her coming back for sure. Um, I would love to see how Lisa Renna and Amanda get along together. I really would love to see that.

Um, but I'm okay with Kyle Richards leaving. I really am. Yeah. And it's not because I don't like her on the show. I just think that she's the longest running housewife that's currently on television.

I think that there's not much more that she can offer. And I do think that there are things that seems like she wants in her life. That she's not allowed to explore on camera. That's immediately what I thought when I said when I saw, Oh, she's focusing on her personal life off camera.

I mean, her children are grown. You got one child married while on camera. So that didn't stop you. Um, Porsche.

“I think is probably at that college time.”

So maybe so that could be something off camera that she's willing to do. And maybe Porsche doesn't want the cameras surrounding her going to college. Because she saw her other sisters go through that. But also, I immediately thought about Kyle's love life. And we know that one past relationship that she's had post.

Um, Maricio. Didn't could not take off because of the cameras. Yeah. So I don't know if she's trying to pursue that again or maybe there's something else. But I took, I say, good.

Maybe you need that change. Yeah. And when you're ready, come back. I would welcome her back with open arms. But I'm so okay with her leaving.

And I say that in a positive way. Yeah. Yeah. It would just be weird. Not for me.

No.

Not for me.

“I'm so used to people coming and going that I feel like it just wouldn't be.”

It wouldn't be that for me right now.

Yeah. Um, but again, I really say this in the most positive way. I really like it. Yeah. I just, I would love to see her go away and then come back to us with new stuff.

Yeah. You know, what do you do for sure? She needs a refresher. Definitely. Summer house.

Summer house. I mean, have they named this something? Does this have like a, it doesn't have. Oh, no. It does.

What is it? Shout out to for ripen it. Who got it from somebody else. I don't know who he could took the credit from. They're calling it the west side store.

Oh, no. Which I love to this name when I saw it. I was like, I know it has a name. Oh, child. The west side story.

Um, so here's what's going on.

Uh, we won't get all into it. But Bravo sleuths have figured out that we'll listen. Let's just go back. It had been rumored back in early March. Yes.

Um, Amanda, something has happened. Where the lines will cross between Amanda and west. Yes. West has since gone on Watch What Happens Live. Yes.

And it was a little bit of a weird answer. It was just slightly rude. It's in just, yeah. Like, even Simone Sanders was sitting next to him. And she flat out was like, the streets just want to know if you got a friend.

Forget that you got out in the streets. Like, are you friends? Yeah. And then he's just like, she's close to me. And I care a lot.

If it's not clear to everyone, I care a lot about her.

“And she's, and Simone's like, so, but are you friends?”

And he's just kind of like, yeah, like, yeah, we're friends. We're friends. But so, you know, he was like, she's getting herself back out there. She's out in the streets. Bubble, bubble, blah, blah.

We've seen on social media that they are out and about together. Yeah. All of that. So that's where all this is coming from. But Bravo sleuths have kind of figured out.

That Amanda and Sierra were supposed to host and Amazon live together. And instead, they did that show separately. That could be due to a number of things. I don't know. But people seem to think that based on the timing of everything.

And all the rumors that are circulating out here. And because certain people just won't come out and say shit. Mm-hmm. People think that it is related to Amanda and West. I guess they haven't been liking each other's Instagram posts in recent weeks.

That's Amanda and Sierra. And seemingly, unlike many from the past, that's rumored to be out there again. I don't know how to remember that. I don't know how to remember that.

Who liked it at first and then then.

Yeah. Like that's relaxed. Yeah. Relax. If you're getting all into that.

Austin Crowell decided to jump into the mix. He posted on his stories a picture of at dinner. Eating pasta. He was apparently with Kyle Cook. Mm-hmm.

And he captioned it. He posted and fuck your friends. Exes are apparently so back. Which we know is a reference to scan of all. Mm-hmm.

And then Carl and Lindsay have both posted selfies of themselves. Looking confused. And K.J. Doldard. And now K.J. Point posted a video of himself looking to support it. Mm-hmm.

Where. And so people are just speculating. Speculating speculating. We have not heard anything from Amanda. Yeah.

We have not heard anything from Sierra. Because of that, people are wondering why. They still, they should be noted. They have not filmed their reunion. Nope.

So that's something there. Yeah. And yeah. I'm not going to say anything. And it's not because I know anything.

I'm not going to say anything because I feel like people know that I'm friendly with Sierra. And if I say something, they're going to hold that as I'm telling the truth. And I actually know nothing. And I haven't even asked out of respect. Yeah.

Because if you're a friend of mine. Yes. And the world is what feels like the world is talking about you at least Bravo World.

“I just, if you want to tell me something, you're going to tell me something.”

And I would treat any friendship no matter who you are that same way. And I can only imagine what it is like right now with everybody talking about what seems like. Everybody's talking about you or for you. And it doesn't just involve you. It involves people very close to you.

Yeah. Um, I will say in your defense, the Bravo group chat has been going off this weekend. We asked you said I'm not asking her. And I should let police that need to know. I don't even know.

I will say I got this from one of our colleagues. Cat's Blaine. She said this. I feel like that scene in Mean Girls when Lindsay Le Hangos. Um, I was a woman possessed.

I spent half my time thinking about Regina and the other half of my time talking about her. Like that's how I felt this entire weekend about this west side story. It has been on my timeline, on the TikTok, on the Twitter, on the threads, on all the things. It's literally been consuming me and like people are trying to make it to the scandal level. Ask and for the longest time.

I was like, nope. This is a joke. This is a prank. This is not true. This can't be true.

And now I'm starting to feel more and more like something.

I've been hearing things.

Okay. I have been hearing things.

“And it makes me and so I feel unsettled.”

Yeah. I don't like it. I do not like this. I do not like that.

If this is true, that a man let alone West Wilson got in between a friendship.

I don't, someone also raised the point of like we were so ready to ride for a man to with Kyle. And if this is true, all the heat's going to be taken off of Kyle. And we're going to be talking about this. So a lot of it is just just maddening.

“And I can't, I still just like, it's so hard for me to believe.”

If, if it's hard for me to believe too. It's hard for me to wrap my mind. I just want to believe that people are just this dark. I think it doesn't. People make mistakes.

Because this isn't even a cheating thing. Because neither one of them would have gathered. But like, it's probably cheating on a friendship. Yeah. People do bat people.

I don't know if I've quoted this here.

But there's a line in the morning show, first season, where Mia, Karen Pittman,

is talking to Chuck. I don't know, it's really my thing, it's in Chuck. So he's like the guy who's running the whole morning show. And she's like his number two. I think that's who she's talking to.

And you know, if you don't know, it's loosely based off of the Matt Lauer. scandal, in addition to all the behind the scenes with Morning Show. And Mia's character has had a relationship with Steve Keralz character in this. It was a Matt Lauer, a ish alleged. And he like checks I can't understand how she could have fallen victim to sleeping with him or being with him like all these other people are because she's like his number two. It's not like some intern or whatever. He had power over or was subordinate. And she just simply says to him she's like, people are complicated. And I know that that's not profound, but it is.

And this is not as an excuse. I'm also saying it is people will surprise you. You can't give anybody anything, not even me, right? Like you cannot be like Rachel's above that because people are complicated. Yeah. And she said it in a sense of like you don't know what somebody's going through. You don't know somebody's trauma growing up. You don't know somebody's insecurities. Yeah. You don't know what somebody might have done in a super weak moment that makes them act out of the way that you perceive them.

And again, that's not an excuse by any mean. No. It's just more of I'm saying this to say people will disappoint you. That's my point of making that is even me. I'm like, God, I don't want to believe this to you. I don't want to believe people are that dark. And as I was just saying it. I thought about that. Say yeah, people are complex. Yeah. And they will disappoint you. They will fuck you over. And it's just like a part of it's as sure as things aren't humanity as you will die. Yeah.

“You know, the man of heart is what would chalk me. It's the West part. It doesn't fully chalk me. And I think seven and our group chat said you were right about West all along me. Yeah.”

But it's that, like, yeah, I'm hugging up with one of Sierra's friends if true isn't surprising. It's that he seems so cautious about his how he's perceived that he would like slip up in that way because he's so afraid of like backlash because we got that when when he and Sierra did first break up and how he was like worried about how fans were going to take him and stuff like that. And like whatnot. So like if all of this is true, like that surprises me as well because he's seeing and how you talk about him when you did panels and stuff like how him and Jesse like give nothing because they're afraid of whatever like any bread crumbs being, you know, thrown their way. So it's just I just really hope it's not true.

And for so many reasons specifically because I don't want her like this, this is devastating. I'm going to say it's not true and it's not because I'm not basing on anything. I just like we're watching emotions run high between two people between Western Sierra right now on the show and how hard it has been to turn a corner on that particularly for Sierra. So to now throw a friendship in the mix of a person who's probably been more privy to that your relationship with West any other person because she lived in the house with you. She knows you both.

It would just be like hard for anybody your God strong as soldier to overcome. That's your point about West being so particular about what the moves that he makes and kind of calculated it in them which age called out in the reunion.

the the the the difference I will say and him being super calculated about everything that he does, which we think that. The thing that would be different is that we'll add issues of black woman and so if it just makes me think of the quote Malcolm X quote, the most disrespected, unprotected and neglected person in America. It's a black woman and so if that if any of it is true and if there's even more disrespect that then you've already given to Sierra that we've seen on camera or in news articles or whatever it may be.

I just makes me think of that quote. Yeah, I'll also say this. Again, do not want any of this to be true, but it I wouldn't even focus on this it would all be about the Amanda of it all. Yeah, it really would come down.

Like as Devon said in the chat, like I've always felt a certain way like I just don't trust it, I'll trust him, but it would be the Amanda of it all to me.

“That would be the tough part, which is why I don't want to believe this. That's what there is a version of this that is not being talked about that people are wrong not saying that the thing happened that it's like it's not what you think it is, but.”

You know, there's something there. Yeah, I'm hoping it's not this bad just because. That's tough, it's tough, but again, the reason it's in the rumor report is because you're not talking about it and I think to me forget the Amazon live. Forget the unliking the photos for or liking or haven't liked photos in a long time or haven't posted forget any of that to me. The hardest thing is. Why are you saying nothing? Yeah, that is what it's like.

Because I had a theory before where I was like, oh, maybe maybe the, I guess, dysfunction between the two of them is that it is because Amanda's just like we've seen as we've seen her be with Kyle or just other things. She's kind of like, oh, she'll be sarcastic about it or kind of dismiss it and I thought, oh, well, maybe that's part of the rift is she wishes. See, I may wish Amanda would say something. Amanda's like, I'm not giving in anything because it's so ridiculous and maybe I this was a theory. I thought, oh, maybe the Sierra wants her to say something and there's a little bit of conflicts because of that.

But I don't even think that anymore. She's like, just say something.

It's weird. It's not the attention. It's not good for anybody. I'm sorry. It really doesn't do your show any favors.

And it just, it like, you're just letting it get out of control. Yeah. And if I was a publicist, I would be like put control, like get control of it. And now it's being rumored like I've seen on some blogs like people are like, okay, like we're like we're supposed to hear something like that's what people are saying. - In a sense, it's feels statement. - That's why I'm like, this has to be a gag. Like they're like, like whack. If it's a gag, it's that's whack.

Yeah, that's whack. Like the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the wh-the

“Like the wh-- like crack is whack, that is whack.”

Like what's funny about it? - I don't know, it's the tizzy.

It's the social media storm that's--

- You don't get to do it, but it's like it's-- But just none of it is making sense. Like none of it's adding up into your point. Like if this is real, if this is not real, why hasn't anyone said anything about it?

I was a party's involved. And they don't think that kind of drives me a little bit crazy. And granted, we don't have photos of a scan of all. But like all the blind items are people saying, like, they run a date out here.

They did this. Like all of these are public things that you're talking. Like you're making it sound like they were very public. Why aren't there any photos to match what's being discussed of them out doing these things?

- Yeah, like where's the-- - Like I just saw something about, like they were out in California, like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm like, where's the photo that supports dim holding hands, then being kissy and levy while they were out?

Like there isn't anything. So like that's where I'm just like, okay, that doesn't add up.

“But that's why I cannot, and maybe I'm just exhausted”

from the whole bachelor at situation just a couple of weeks ago. - I mean, it's been-- - But I truly can't give it anything. Like, of course, we're talking about it and I have the thoughts, but I haven't let it consumed me.

Like Chelsea. Like Chelsea, I literally put it on my mind. - It's been this and my daughter. Like this is all that's been, I've been thinking about when's maybe feeding, when's her next nap?

- Oh wait, what did West do? Oh wait, Amanda's also, wait, oh wait, no, okay, okay, and then Maeve. Okay, honey, please don't get on that. Like that's been my-- - I can't get on the hamster world.

- Because I'm exhausted, I guess, for a couple of weeks before, but also it's just so much speculation that I'm like,

Somebody texts me when somebody's, when there's a photo,

“- When we have the photo, when there's a text message chain,”

when there's a, when there's a statement made, like somebody hit me up with that. 'Cause like all the nitpicking of she wiped his mouth and are wearing clothes, like this cast is comfortable. - We don't talk about that at all.

- In a way that I, as a touchy, feely person, and not with my people like that. - No. - And it's like people, like my people people. - Completely.

- The crawling in the beds, the sitting in laps, like so when I see if I see her wearing clothes or him wearing something or her wife, like, I'm like that. - That's not funny. - That's not funny. - Yes, that's not smoking guns.

Someone also posted stuff of West and Amanda throughout this season of them sitting really close together. Them, like, you know, her touching. I was like, that's literally how they are.

She's like, that would just eat.

Sierra was like that would just eat before he got weird. Like they're all like that with one another. - Yeah. - That's not surprising or salacious to me. - No, yeah, yeah. - So I'm like, get at me when you got some,

when this is off the room or report. How about that? - Yeah. - Get at me. I just, I don't have the energy. - Can people are dying?

(laughing) - Okay? - They're dying. - They're dying. - And Chelsea is dying to know what I'm dying to know.

- I'm dying to know. Chelsea is dying to know. - Rachel was in the, like, a marathon record of higher learning today, and I was just on the edge of my seat.

- It was wanting to talk to her. - I thought we'd be done an hour before we were done. - Yeah. (laughing) - A hour before she's all like, yes, I'm glad. And I said, I'm not, so I literally wrote in our notes.

I'm not talking about this, and then it's like, how could I deprive Chelsea? And people want us to talk about it. I'm just, I have, I don't know, and I'm not asking. - It's hard to speak, it's hard to speak about.

You're so close to it too, and so I understand I really appreciate you entertaining me and letting me bounce myself. - It is news, it is news, right?

It's like not the first time I've had to do news

on somebody that I know or whatever, but it's me. It's news, but it's a rumor. And so thankfully, and maybe Bell knew, and you knew, it's like, let's just put this in the rumor reports, so Rachel can fill a little bit more comfortable talking about it.

But who knows, maybe next time, next week, this time, we'll be talking about something more concrete,

“but I think both Chelsea and I truly hope”

that whatever we have to talk about when it does come out is not what we think it is. - Yeah. - Let's put it there, yeah. - All right, and last word on.

- You know, no, I will just keep refreshing TMZ and Instagram all the timelines until group chats till I have some substantial evidence that tells me otherwise. - Let me say this too.

Should any version of this, that's come out, be true? You don't fucking want me moderating the next Bravo Connoisseur model. (laughing) I'm in glad that you're shining endorsement

that we do want you to moderate the next panel. - That would never have. - I would be do what it normally I go on the company woman, I ask the questions, I'm supposed to ask, I don't venture off,

I'm very much so respect the process, but let me tell you some, you put me on that panel, I'm a Jeff Lewis it up and throw my cards up in the air and be like, I actually have my own questions here. So let's go.

That's what would happen. - I, let's pull it, I would like to see that. Bravo probably not, but us at home, we just hope none of this is true. Like, no, otherwise I sick, disgusting.

- E-yuck, okay. - All right, that is it for us here on Moralee Corrupt. We hope that you enjoyed this version of the show The News Week, also the room report, our new segment, which I really do like.

Until then guys, we will be recapping so many shows by dropping this week. - When it rains it pours, I saw somebody say, like, put up the calendar.

“I mean, we're getting, do we get Atlanta this week?”

- Atlanta. - The Valley, the Valley, Rhode Island. - Rhode Island. - We're still finishing out, there's Southern House Pellies on, Summer House is on.

- Ladies of London. - Ladies of London, Beverly Hills is on, yeah. - That's a lot. - Well, we know who could take it back seat. (both laughing)

- But until then, we will be recapping some version of those shows talking about our highs and lows of the week within those recaps. And maybe we'll have an update. I feel like if we do, and any of the room or reports

will say 'cause there wasn't just one. Maybe Chelsea pops in on Friday 'cause I don't think she can help herself. - No, but if we get up date. (both laughing)

But until then, guys, we will talk to you very soon. Have a great week, be safe. - Bye. (upbeat music)