Episode Revisit: The Survival Story of Mary Vincent, Patron Saint of Badassery

Not in the pod lab. Nope, we're in Alina's room.

It's purple. It is purple. It's very comfy in here. It's a nice dark purple. Yeah Me and me dark purple me and in here if you're in our room and I think that I want to do like everything white with one accent Well, but then your room makes me feel like

“Do I want it to be like darker and homeier so that's why I like it cuz it's like moody”

Yeah, you're moody bitch. I'm a moody bitch So this works out really well, but this is an adecorating podcast. It's not what do we do Death crime. Yes, but you know what this one is kind of good because it has a happy ending

A so I mean there's some this some shit along the way boiler alert for sure, but

we're gonna be doing one where some badass lady Somehow against all odds in a situation that none of us could even bat them being in Somehow holds our shit together and survived. Yeah, this case is bundanus like badass woman alert We are doing the case of Mary Vincent and she is a baller. She really is and

We're going to focus mostly on Mary Mm-hmm. We are gonna talk about her attacker because he did some other shit to that affects her as well But we're gonna focus it mostly on Mary. Yeah, cuz she's a band because she's where it's at There's a little true crime news that I'm sure everybody has heard about by now We might have a new very prolific serial killer on our hands. He's caught luckily

But this could be insane. He could be one of the worst. Yeah, I don't know much about this. So filmia So this guy's name is Samuel Little he doesn't have three names, but you know, we'll take

Basically, he could be one of the deadliest serial killers in history. Which is crazy. He has admitted to Texas Rangers that he

played part in more than 90 unsolved murders in ten states. Whoa So he is 78 years old now and he's serving three life sentences in California for killing three women So he's already he's already away forever and they said that so far they're able to match over 30 cases to him so far Yeah, and that's the band like all that they like that's just a 30 so far and they said they have no false information coming from him It's all been up to snap so far. How did they how did they get him? I don't know exactly how he got arrested

But for the three women, but he obviously he got caught for other murders And like I said he would this would make him one of the most prolific serial killers in US history Ted Bundy confessed a 30

“John Wayne Gacy killed at least 33 boys, but I think the Green River killer had 49 that he was convicted of he confessed a 71”

Whoa, so this guy would pass him Which is the same But he has 30 and how many they've at least been able to connect 30 to him, but he's confessed to 90 and he's giving information to police about these nine How will the fuck do you kill 90 people I'm saying? I guess he started way back in the 70s the 70s were a wild time Yeah, they really were he's he's linked to possible deaths in Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio and Texas

Wow, yeah, so this is kind of an ongoing thing. So it's gonna be kind of one of those things that more shit It's gonna leak out as we go But it's crazy, so we'll definitely be on the lookout for that one and I think the only other thing that's been happening lately is that Chris Watts Shit the guy who killed his wife and his children that blamed it on his wife because she's dead and can't defend herself He's the male version of a country. Yeah, exactly and now his mother is coming out and saying that the wife killed the kids like my baby

Couldn't have killed his whole family and it's like that's exactly why your fucking asshole son is the way he is Yeah, because his whole life his mother probably built him out of all his shit

“Everything it's like nope. You need to look in the mirror and know that your son is a fucking monster who annihilated his entire family and his pregnant wife because he had a mistress”

And how do you say that about somebody that's dead like oh no they killed all kids? It's like you know not Oh, I just don't know what happened that case makes me nuts But yeah, so that's I think that's all the stuff we have to catch up on the case that we're talking about this week is like one of my favorites

And I was in my car driving to work on the edge of my seat. Oh, yeah, it's insane like there's a I'm sure you guys have all heard of a show. I survived. It's so good. It's so good. It's so much more the it like but it's stress It's very heavy. There's a lot of heavy ships and I can't watch it like live. Yeah, it's hard to record me to because I need to take a break Yeah, and I have to pass forward through the commercials. Oh, yeah, for sure. They keep you on such a oh my god Yeah, because you know you're like I know they're going to survive, but I need to know how

And this one in particular, I still to I at this moment I still cannot understand how she got out of this situation Oh, and I mentioned I mentioned I survived because there was an episode about Mary in Vincent So go check it out because it's a really good episode

Listen to this first though keep listening. Please. So what's dive in September 29th

1978 I got in the 70s man Mary Vincent was a 15-year-old girl living in Las Vegas She from all accounts. It seems like she kind of had a troubled home life I don't think there was anything no, excuse. I should say I don't think there's not a lot of known about her home life growing up

Right. I know she was in a military family. She probably moved a lot at 15. She was kind of add odds with her parents and from what I read it seems like she ran away from home This day and she was going to be running away to California

“15, which is like so young to me. It's like I think of me when I was 15 and like I can't even you'll”

Sorry mom, but I was about to run away from home

There's been plenty of times where I was like I could run away. I could run away 15 is a is and you know what 15 is a shitty age. Oh, yeah. Oh, like I don't know anyone who was like You know what 15 was great year for me. I had everything going on. I had it all figured out. They should have shown that's like 15 I survived by 15 Because it really is that bad. It is like 15 for me was shit. Absolute shit. Yeah, same

So thanks high school bullies or junior high bullies So yeah, so she was living in Las Vegas on this day. She was hitchhiking from Berkeley Which was her uncle's house in California and she was hitchhiking to her grandfather's which was somewhere near Los Angeles

I'm not sure exactly where I also don't know California that well. Sorry California

I was listening to California love. I'm right here. Of course you are Of course you are Or is it RIP or see living somewhere. I don't think so. Yeah, I know. I know I love that conspiracy theory though Actually shout us a last podcast on the left. Just really quick little break. I was like I couldn't stop listening

“Oh, yeah, I honestly I love last podcast on the left. Every case that they have covered they have covered so well”

Like they just did I'm just gonna plug them like like they need it, but whatever They just did the west Memphis three which we will cover at some point But that's gonna be a very long very research heavy case. Yeah, they did it in like three episodes and they did it so well Because you feel like you know everything about that case, but they did it and you felt like you learned more Yeah, so shout out to them. So on this night on this day that she was hitchhiking

She was standing on the side of the road with two other hitchhikers. They didn't know each other They were just all hitchhiking somewhere. They all had signs saying where they wanted to go now This is when Lawrence singleton Larry pulled up in a blue van. Mary described him as looking like a friendly Grandfather type like she was like he's older. He looks like he could be my grandfather And he was old enough to be her grandfather

So she felt immediately like comfortable, which is not a good thing. Also apparently he was wearing blue overalls and

“Like here's the thing about old dudes and overalls don't trust them”

Well, especially you generally get two kinds of old dudes wearing overalls either sweet farmer types Who just want to tell you the best way to get the beefiest tomato crops or hillbilly mutants who think you look like their sister Hillbilly mutants. So so no boy now Yeah, don't get in the car with someone who has overalls. Like sorry everybody who wears overalls. I want a pair of overalls But don't get in the car with me. No

Like just don't do it. Yeah, exactly. So Larry was like I only have room for one of you in here Meanwhile he had a van which is low heel. Oh, excuse me. Hi, Keith. Yeah, like that's a that's a red flag Sir, you have a van. I don't know if you know what you're driving, but it's called a van. I have I'm small So already these these people with hair were like, yeah, maybe you shouldn't Go with him and she was like, yo, I got to get to my grandfather's she was tired. She'd been like, you know

I just want to get to my grandfather's house. So Larry was a 51-year-old former merchant marine at the time

“He had just been divorced from his second wife and had a teenage daughter that was also 15 at the time”

He told Mary this immediately. He was like I have a daughter of your age Okay, and this further cemented his like nice old you know older man. He's a father like he has a kid my age And that's exactly what he wanted So he told her he wasn't going to Los Angeles, but would happily take a detour to bring her there He offered to drive her to inner state five, which is the fastest route south and she was so desperate that she was like, yep

I'll just get in. We'll do this. So she got in the car now She said it was pretty unaventful for the most part in the car until obviously a big event happened

But at one point she lit a cigarette and she sneezed and he immediately reached out to feel her neck and asked if she was sick

Like he felt her like gland and she was like in that Fucked her. She was like nope. Don't touch me like that's weird that you just felt like you could touch my neck And she said it made her comfortable like uncomfortable like that weirded me out But she ended nothing else really happened after that right away So she ended up nodding off and falling asleep. Don't fall asleep if you're hitchhiking

Yeah, and the 70s. This was totally

“Acceptable everyone was hitchhiking, which I think we learned now that that was a bad idea because a lot of these people ended up dead”

But now definitely don't hitchhiking one don't too don't fall asleep. Yeah, I'm sure we'll come up with more exactly So she ended up falling asleep when she woke up She noticed that they were not going to LA as promised But instead we're going east toward Modesto. So immediately she started to panic She saw that there was a stick or like a like a little yardstick or a surveyor stick on the floor of the van

So she grabbed it held it out and demanded she was like where what the fuck you're supposed to be taking me to Los Angeles Makes my stomach hurt so he was like oh my god I'm so sorry and he said he said I am an honest man and it was an honest mistake I'm so sorry, so he was like you know what I'm gonna take you there. I'm really sorry I just wasn't paying attention and she was like okay, well fucking take me there

So he was like alright, let's pull over quickly so I can relieve myself and then we'll be on our way So they pulled over he gets out of the car and he goes somewhere to piss She gets out of the car to stretch her legs and she said she reached down to tie her shoes and that's when Larry

Snuck up behind her and hit her in the head with a hammer. Do you hear God? First of all, how did she even survive that? Exactly and

She immediately went out like unconscious when she woke up She was completely naked and tied up. Oh my god I hate this right away after waking up. He forced her to perform sexual acts on him He also said something really disgusting as he was doing this that I'm not going to repeat because it stresses me out too much But he was gross. He was a pig. He like shoved himself in her mouse basically. He then raped her and saw to mice

her. He then threw her in the back of the van drove to another secluded area and repeatedly raped her again She recalls at least six to eight times that he raped her and she said it hurt a lot the entire time Oh my god During this he also made her drink some weird unknown substance from a plastic jug but she assumes his alcohol But she said it made her pass out so it could have been anything she passed out several times and when she woke up at one point

He had thrown her onto the ground on the side of the road and forced her to lay down and now she's naked completely naked and tied up

“She started begging him to set her free because she was like what's going to happen next?”

He said quote, "You want to be set free? I'll set you free." Then he went to the van grabbed a hatchet and returned back to her He then held her down as she fucking fought in scream and chopped her right arm off He then hacked at her left arm until it was severed just below the elbow It took three strokes of the hatchet to sever that arm off He cut both her fucking arms off while she was conscious with it the whole thing fighting the whole time

Fucking hacked her arms off of her body. I'm like, what a sick fuck. That is some shit And like what does that mean like a while set you free by chopping your arms? Yeah, he's literally because in you're here. He says it again So like he's having to hold this poor nude woman down while she's screaming and crying And he's hacking her arms. Like that is but that's beyond my comprehension. I moved it up

Yeah So she fell on her onto her back after this obviously because he was like holding her up hacking at her arms and she said She's caught a glimpse of him like twisting and shaking his arm and what was happening was her arm was still attached to his arm

Yeah, you then rolled her down a 30 foot in bankman and Stuffed her into a cement drainage pipe when he left. He said, okay now you're free and this place turned out to be Del Puerto Canyon, which I'm not familiar with but I'm sure Californians will know

“So yeah, he leaves and says okay. Now you're free. I feel like so I think he was like”

Oh, you want to be free. I'll untie you and I'll leave you here and you can get out if you want like I think to him He was like you're gonna die, but like you're free. Like good luck. What is it like what the fuck is wrong with you dude? blew my mind So he immediately obviously he thinks she's dead. She's been welled on the head She's been repeatedly raped and she's had her fucking arms chopped off

And she's gonna bleed out and she's also been rolled down a 30 foot in bankman like that. There's so much here So he left her alone to die and she's trying to keep fucking survives Yeah, just keep that in mind. She comes out of this. She is kicking breathing thriving today She's a bad bitch. So at this point she was like, okay, I could die here or I could fight and stop And hit in her mind. She said I can stop him from doing this to someone else. Good for that was her thought process

“Was I can't let him do this to someone else? How do you have that coherent thought process?”

And it's like fight or flight and she chose fucking fight. So at this moment She was like, I need to I need to stay awake. So she forced herself to stay awake because if she allowed herself to pass out

She would just bleed it up. She would just fall asleep and never wake up. Now think of all those times

You've just been sitting on the couch and you hit that wall of exhaustion all of a sudden and you can barely keep your eyes open Now think of that But your arms have been chopped off. You've been forced fed some kind of weird alcoholic substance and you've been hit and head with a hammer and raped repeatedly How I don't even like I never want to say I'm tired Mary's like fuck you

Yeah, literally. So she forced herself to stay awake and she said quote he threw me off a cliff I should have broken bones I should have blood to death. I didn't and I never passed out I remember everything I wanted to give up and go to sleep, but I felt someone there with me a presence who wanted me to survive a voice Told me to get up and get help or someone else would die. Wow, girl. I got chills. I can't she's Mary Mary

Like I just can't even Mary Mary Quake on tree. Oh, you are just I don't know how you did this man. So She ended up losing 50% of her body's blood supply. How did she how did she not pass her fucking? Because she's a fucking lawyer To stop it from getting worse. She packed her arms with mud to cut off the flow blood

She first of all. I went I am 33 years old almost

And I work in the medical field and I don't think that would immediately be my like I need to pack these severed arms with blood She was 15 years old and how did you do that with both of your life? Exactly. Like you didn't even have

“Pack with I this is just so much about this that I'm like who are you? What are you? What kind like we don't deserve you Mary?”

No So she walked herself up the 30 foot cliff. She had been rolled down without arms like think about that for a second How hard that would be to do with arms walking up a 30 foot cliff It took her hours and hours and hours of fighting up this hill with only 50% of her body's blood and a head wound Jesus Christ and she said it took all day like a full day to get up that 30 foot

I believe it. So she finally reached the because she said she could hear the freeway above

She just wanted to get there. She's like I just got to get there So she finally reaches the freeway and ended up walking for three more miles before seeing a car finally It was a convertible with two men in it They pulled over like a little bit, but once they saw her they'd sped off. And I mean she was nude She was completely battered. She had no fucking arms. She probably didn't even think it was real. And was bleeding profusely

That's horror movie shit like that and she says To this day she said she can totally understand why they were terrified and sped off like she was like I do not hold that against like So she said at the time she was holding up what was left of her arms in the air so Quote the muscles in blood wouldn't fall out. Wow

So she was holding her fucking like what's left of her arms up in the air. Now luckily a couple who were tourists and had like taken a wrong turn Like what a wrong turn I think on their honeymoon or something. I think they were I've read that a couple of times. Yeah, so they might have been on their honeymoon

Before driving her to a nearby airport and calling 911 now because I mean because it was the 70s

They didn't have a cell phone so they had to drive to a phone All she could say was quote, he raped me over and over again. Oh my god She went by helicopter to the hospital and at the hospital Like she just continues to be like a fucking warrior She gets to the hospital and she doesn't sit there and be like I know I'm gonna take her break and like rest of my my weary soul

Right now she was like nope. I can describe this motherfucker to an absolute fucking tea. Let me give you it So she can describe him so perfectly that the composite sketch of him was like a photo I said. We'll post it. Yeah, it was immediately released to the media and Larry's own neighbor who was his friend

Like was a friend of his saw it and was like whoa that Larry and they called until the police

“I know who that is and it was their friend that's how clear it was though. They were like that's fucking Larry”

That's insane. Mary also picked his picture out of six others before the grand jury at one point So in 1979 he went to so they picked him up. There's not a lot of like how they found him or you know Like she knew who he was. She picked him look at this motherfucker. That's that's a dude. Oh He did now Yeah, his nose is a lot so in 1979 he went to court and Mary testified against him after all she went to at 15 years old

That is insane bad ass Mary stood up in front of the court pointed one of her hooked prosthetic arms at him and she was like that's fucking him And she will to this day. She will only refer to him as quote my attacker She won't refer to him as in it and he doesn't fucking does it. No, he doesn't so Larry said he was drunk that night and described Mary as quote a 10 dollar whore. What the fuck?

Yeah, he also claimed that the two other hitchhikers were in the van as well Including another Larry so he said if anything happened to Mary and his van in the blood and other physical evidence presented a trial proved that it did then he said the crimes must have been committed by quote the other Larry Like yeah, so he insisted I'm being framed later when he became a little more forthcoming He mentioned that he had cut off her hands because he wanted to remove the ID

Yeah, dental records are thing you fucking ten dollar dumbass, but After testifying Mary quickly left the courtroom and she did this because Larry made a very quiet comment to her and she just rushed out of the courtroom later

“He admitted what he said to her. I remember him. He told her quote. I'll finish this job if it takes me the rest of my life”

Like oh, like you kid it like can you fucking imagine that after all you've gone through the students like I'm gonna finish this like Fuck, I feel like I'll finish you sir. She was obviously fucking terrified Afterwards her parents came to get her, but and but she said they were kind of like they couldn't really help Like they didn't have the relationship that needed that they needed to help her. Yeah, they said she said Yeah, and she said quote, they couldn't handle it. They took it harder than me

I'm telling them I need you, but they couldn't do it They were more interested in what they felt about what happened to me than what I felt So Larry ended up being convicted of a whopping number of charges Attempted murder kidnapping rape, Saudi meat, oral copulation aggravated mayhem and the use of an axe to cause great

bodily harm. Now at the time, he got the max sentence for this

“Which was only 14 years in Nixon. I'll leave. I'm like are you kidding me right now?”

Well it gets worse. All those charges and you get 14 years. Yes, like what the fuck all those like terrifying Somebody's arms off fucking attempted murder. Oh, like it's insane He thought she was dead. He left their thinking she was dead. She was going to die Well, it gets worse. He only served eight years out of that because he got off on good behavior

Okay, good behavior. Are you fucking chopped somebody's arms off exactly? It's like I don't give a shit if you always

You know keep your cell clean and always say please and thank you to the prison guards I don't give a shit you tried to belittle you raped somebody repeatedly and tried to chop their arms and try to chop their arms And then said it was the other Lawrence. Yeah fucking poor other Larry that probably doesn't exist Well it gets even worse when he got out. He immediately tried to sue Mary For what so while in jail he said and this is where it could's funny

He said he considered the alleged events and he was like nope, I didn't do that. Oh my god He said he remembers Mary threatening to accuse him of rape and that she had brandished a stick at him He said that's why he became violent. So he filed a complaint suing Mary for quote

They were like you're a fucking asshole. So after he got out of jail after eight years eight years later

“Like good bye like she's barely even beginning to cope with this at this point”

So while she said she was afraid to stay in one place for too long She went through a series of body guards and she ended up living in a deserted gas station at one point Holy shit. Yeah, like she really like went down a bad path She said she was depressed. She had crazy anxiety. Of course she did her relationship suffered I mean with family friends and like romantic relationships like it was a really dark time

She eventually had two sons of her own and in her words quote when I became a mother I really had something big to live for and she says they're like what got her. I love it I mean his release was controversial obviously to Mary, but it was controversial to everyone because it was like And nobody wanted him to live anywhere. Yeah, it will it was bonkers because I mean that's eight years every it his own daughter

“Didn't want him loose. Wow, so his own daughter said that he had a tact and abused her and her mother”

And in fact her mother once told her that she was surprised that she had been born without complications because Larry had beat her mother While she was pregnant with her. Oh my god. Yeah, so when she found out that he was getting out of jail She also fled in her like married it. She asked along for some if there was any way they could keep him behind bars Like what the fuck Florida yeah, and she Recently well this wasn't this wasn't in Florida. Oh, I thought it was. No, this isn't California

But um, he goes to Florida. Yeah, we're gonna get to that So his daughter who I'd won't name because I don't know if she wants her name out there She recently spoke to a woman who runs the site family arrested dot com dot com which helps family members of like shitty people who have done awful things Coped with their own like victim. Yeah, I'm sure you because it's such a it's such a unique experience to be like the daughter of a Fucking monster the sister the spouse and the mother, you know

So she had this to say to this woman about her father. It's a big long quote six years into my father's sentence I knew he was getting out early as an quote. I deal in my inmate So in 1984 when I was 21 three years prior to his proposed parole I called the California prison where he was saying since and it was Saint Louis Abisca pose California colony for men I told whoever I talked to I wasn't sophisticated enough to then to take names or notes

That I was afraid my father remained a threat to my safety and was in general still dangerous When I was 21 I quickly made several changes to my life

I graduated from college with my first degree. I changed my last name legally

I moved from Nevada to California Then moved back to Nevada to marry my college boyfriend when I left Reno I told and anyone who my father might possibly contact to try to find me to tell him I quote flaked out or something Got married to someone they didn't know and left town. I gave them a PO box so we could stay in touch I realized how naive this sounds today as I write this, but I was concerned he might hurt or harass them when I was about 20 years old

With the assistance of a PhD psychology in turn I had written a letter to my father telling him I was terminating our relationship. I asked California prison personnel What could be done to keep him in longer and I was told there was nothing? They suggested I retained or obtained a restraining order at the time of his release Sorry, but I mean this quite sarcasticly. I tell you he was a danger

I said that before the first crime. I've changed my name multiple times and a moving across state lines

And you all suggest a piece of paper that will tell him exactly where I am what my name is and not And not to come within say 300 feet above me the neighbor woman who I had moved in with and lived with from about age 15 and a half until I was 18 Had discouraged me both from terminating with the relationship and from considering changing my name She told me it was my quote responsibility to I don't know not hide I then and now wonder if she was not motivated by fear of my father

“That's insane. That's his own daughter. I've said that's how many times”

It is it's so insane and that's it's like that's his fucking daughter She was like so afraid. I mean she obviously was so afraid of him like oh, yeah And to hear that he not only abused her, but abused her mother - it was before she was born and while she was gestating like that's insane like I would say that it takes like a Like super fucked up person to like hurt a pregnant person, but this guy literally chops somebody's arms

Yeah, so it's like he has no love He doesn't I don't know where he would have it's it's shocking that he didn't start earlier and didn't rack up a higher

Clearly hope that like there is a hell just for people like this. Yeah, just something something like that (Music)

“Well, obviously his his daughter was very right to be concerned because”

When he got out when he was paroled California was like nope We don't want him so they prostit they protested to not allow him to move into their communities literally one California community after another Toleral officials that they could not relocate him there. Good

He was finally forced to live in a mobile home on the grounds of San Quentin prison until the end of his parole in

1988 so Wherever he was going next he had to register which he went to the Florida So he had to register with the state of Florida as a convicted tone He's moved to Florida where he was originally from was Not smooth

He was one of eight kids in his family originally and that's where he was from like I said So he had a lot of siblings living in California or Florida still and at first he moved into his brother's home which soon became a target for people who were like this is a fucking crazy person Why is he coming into our community they had a fire bomb tossed into their front yard? Oh my god

Protester showed up at court hearings where he appeared

“because he ended up having some I think it was like shoplifting charges in Florida”

'cause he just kept being a fucking So whenever he would go to court hearings for that protestors were show up Because I think between 1990 and 1991 he was arrested three times shoplifting at one hearing for these he described himself as "a confused, muddle-headed, muddle-headed old man like I love how he's just like I'm just confused

Like you don't seem confused You just seem like a giant fuck-tard So after living with his brother his brother was like yo, you got to get out of here because this fire bomb's being tossed into my yard So he moved into another home that was owned by his family in orient park in Tampa His new neighbors thought he was a fucking great guy. Oh god. Yeah

His next door neighbor at the time Tom Bennett said quote we were scared of him at first

But every day he'd talk to you. He cooks steaks and bring them to you don't eat those He fixed up his property really good. He was the neighbor you dream of. I started to believe him Maybe he was framed. No, he wasn't. Well, they find out that he wasn't So he I mean he lived alone. He spent most of his time just remodeling his house and landscaping his property Several of his brothers and their wives visited often. He had a dog named Kala who was a routewiler that he apparently loved

They said he was also solicitous offering to repair neighbors broken mailbox one day He would go to see his neighbors like bands play at bar like he was very much in the neighborhood Like a part he was like one of those neighbors. That's like in with everybody He was a county. Yeah, exactly, which is crazy So some of the neighbors knew his the can the whole married and something but some didn't the ones who did were just like forgiving

Eventually which is crazy to me I wouldn't say I just wouldn't be if you chop off somebody's arms. You're just not good in my book. No It's like I just can't for I can't be like well, maybe he was framed like no, that's too much No, so one of his other neighbors said quote we didn't like the idea that something had happened

“Like what but you can't make a big thing about it if you want to give people a chance”

Yeah, I don't want to give that many people I love that they just like we don't like that something happened. Oh something happened. He fucking blunt force trauma Brutally raped Chopped arms off and threw a woman off a cliff something happened. That's that's not really like just casual Yeah, it's just like you know what we don't love that about him, but we're in a lot of juts

I don't know I feel like it's like when somebody's like yeah, I've been arrested for shoplifting quite a bit You're like I'm right. I don't like that Like don't come around my valuables, but like I don't like it, but we'll give you a chance This not so much so this is interesting three weeks before he ended up being arrested and Florida for something

We'll talk about in a moment Neighbors had to save him from his van because he attempted suicide in his driveway His neighbors said he was found breathing the van's exhaust through dryer hose that he had attached to the tailpipe After this he spent about a week in a psychiatric ward before returning back to his home Tom Bennett his neighbor that said before like we were scared, but he was good and he cooks steak

He was great. He said quote, he told me he was feeling sorry for himself But he didn't give any more explanation

Exactly. Well about six p.m. on a Wednesday night in February

“1997 Hillsborough County Sheriff's official said a man who had done some renovation work for Larry”

dropped by his house and heard What you might say is a commotion inside So he was like what the fuck's going on so he peered in through a window and he saw Larry Butas naked in the living room choking and punching a woman and stabbing her repeatedly the woman was nude and on the couch and was screaming for help

Jesus hurt and he was they said he was like maniacally just stabbing at her and like flared punching her and

believe it. Yeah a deputy who responded to the 911 call says Larry answered the door

Completely covered in blood and he was just like hey yeah he was just like oh hey and the woman was dead The victim was identified as rocks in haze she was a 31-year-old sex worker and a tamper resident and mother of three oh my god that's the awful Nobody knows exactly you know what the whole scenario was if she was there for some other reason or she was a like there on business purposes either way it's a fucking awful

So the state of Florida flew Mary down for this trial Hell yeah because she didn't have to testify but she was like oh I'm a testify which is like oh my god by the way Lawrence on the finish yeah like don't worry She's like you thought you were about to make something crazy so she didn't flinch when they asked to identify him and she said she didn't dare take a deep look either she was like I don't

“She said quote I wanted to see his eyes eyes are important when he was on top of me attacking me”

I was looking at the axe trying to stay alive I asked later if I could look at him in the eye but it didn't happen which is like oh it's like just so beautiful now this time he was convicted of murder and sentenced two deaths unfortunately he died in 2001 on death row of cancer at age 74 which is a bummer yeah I wish that he actually got to be I hope he suffered yeah do you know what kind of cancer he had no I don't I tried to look it up but it couldn't find it I hope it was the worst one

I hope it was penis cancer you know penis cancer I don't know that particular one I hope he had it Yeah you get for rape and people yeah I hope he just had all the cancers yeah so the prosecutor Donald and Stahl who is now retired but he said quote I'm not going to say he's Hannibal Lecter but once a guy like that has a certain bend he follows it for the rest of his life this guy has a personality that's bent in the direction of going after women so this case actually

helped Donald Stahl the prosecutor get legislation in front of the people it needs to get in front of that would make mandatory terms for most violent crimes and as a result they can now say that at this time the shit that he did to marry Vincent would it result in a life sentence it like that would not happen again the way it happened because they're like look we gave him 14 fucking years which is nothing and then he got out in eight and he immediately killed someone

right like if you this is ridiculous yeah so one of his neighbors said quote when I found out

about what he had done the first thing I thought was should I have left that man in that van that day

“if I had known I probably would have at least given it a second thought yeah you should have”

because that's the other thing it's like now all these neighbors who like rushed to help this guy were like shit we saved his life anyone on and killed someone exactly I don't blame them for being like should I have fucking lots of minutes man I was I feel like killed somebody else and that's why he's exactly himself to be with it I mean we don't know DNA it's in the 70's it's so hard to pinch it on I'm sure he could have done some before marry he could have done stuff you know in between

it's just crazy so as for marry who is the real star of this whole thing she says that she still has a lot of nightmares she's still afraid to go to sleep and can't sleep for very long when she when she actually does she says quote I've broken bones thanks to my nightmares I've jumped up and dislocated my shoulder just trying to get out of bed I've cracked ribs and smashed my nose every day I pray to God to make a space I can breathe in and every day God gives it to me

and she's now an artist yeah she doesn't have arms and she's a fucking artist oh my god and this is a skill that she said she just happened after this whole thing she said she couldn't

prosthetics yeah like she uses her prosthetic hooks and that's the other thing she's like a

“tinker so she makes her own prosthetics to like work with what she wants to do yeah she said in this I”

love this she says she has entered the third phase of this whole our deal now she says first she

was a victim then a survivor and now she's an artist which I love I love that um and as an artist she focuses on she says she focuses on powerfully upbeat women she uses chalk pastels and she works in a vein that kind of blends like the Vargas pin-up girl style and she creates her own basically like femme fatale actors which is I just think is so badass that is and oh yeah so like I said she's like a tinker and she makes her on shit she uses spare parts from broken down refrigerators

and old stereo systems to modify them like her prosthetics to be what she needs them like the fingers turned in all directions like and she does it herself she said quote I like to tinker so did my grandfather he was an artist too I guess I get it from him there's all the stuff in

“the world that's been discarded if you keep working with it it will work with you which I'm like”

I love that and she um she started the Mary Vincent foundation to advocate for teenage victims of sexual assault which yeah and she and I'll just end this with a quote from her she said quote

I've never indulged myself in anger and hate I wouldn't be here if I had not as so fucking big

of her because I would be the most angry people person if they shut up and say that's the thing it's like how do you not come out of that with so much hate anger just bitterness like just so paranoid of everything which I know she probably was is paranoid at times but like for her to come out and just be like nope like I'm not going to just be living her life like the best she can and it's like an inappropriate remarkable way and she must be so fucking annoyed that it's like they gave him

such a lenient sentence and he went out and killed a woman and well because that was her main thing

“that she like went to trial for so that he wouldn't do it again exact and that's the whole”

reason she survived her whole mindset was I have to survive so he doesn't do this to someone else

and then the system let it happen again after she fucking survived all that shit and like used every fiber and cell in her body to survive that whole thing just so not for herself but for her many of them not to do this or someone else the system allowed him to just walk out and do it again so messed up and it's like the poor family of you know Roxanne this could have been avoided the students shouldn't have been out in the fucking yeah her three children it's like the

students shouldn't have been out loose and I'm sure his neighbors because I know I read a lot about his neighbors being like the students should not have been allowed to live near us like this into interact with us and become part of us like this is crazy I'm so glad that this case which is I mean this is all like because of Mary like that this case changed things so that this kind of attack is not seen as something that you get a max of 14 years and serve eight years

for you know like now you're getting life for this kind of shit because if you're a capable of doing this you're not gonna be rehabilitated it's just not something that's gonna happen no so no it makes so much sense it's like that in pedophilia pedophilia you can't rehabilitate it no like those people need to be like away from the rest of sight and I know fucking what I'm saying that but yeah so that is the fucking bonkers story of Mary mother fucking Vincent that is

I can't even the patron saint of badass bitches like she needs her own you know those true crime candles oh my god yeah which also like someday I hope our faces are one of those that's like my goal that's the goal that's the dream oh my god like just putting that out there true crime candles someday someday we'll earn it someday but she needs to be on one of those picturing ones but you have a deficits but Mary Vincent needs to be one of those yes she does

like she needs a nicer wife can she needs to like she needs to be a candle that's like the patron saint of badassery I want that I'd buy that for a lot of money that's just our little you know pitch through crime candles so yeah so that was at least that one was a good one it had it had a real bummer in the beginning it had a real bummer in the middle but like you know in the end you died at at least he's dead and Mary's a fucking beautiful artist yeah and Mary's just this beautiful

fucking wild flower just flown through and she's thriving so that's a great one and we hope you

because they're nice to like she has to die yeah I mean it definitely gives the grizzly shit but like it's nice

to have that everyone's in a wild heaven and that's like yeah all right so we hope you guys enjoyed this like I said we want to start getting out some more content we just have to kind of like make it work for us but I promise we have so many cases we want to get to so we really do want to just give you as much as we can eventually we'll try to do two weeks you're definitely going to try to do that

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