Morbid Book Club : Postmortem by Patricia Cornwell

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(upbeat music) Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. - I'm Elena. - And I'm Chef Riley. - And this is a special book club episode of More Bed.

(upbeat music) - Yay! You have Chef Riley, me and on the pod today,

who just released his first cookbook.

(cheering) - A little bit extra. - It's gorgeous. - It's a beauty. - It's extra.

- It's like me. - It's a beauty. And we're gonna put it here. - I love it. - And you can see it.

- It's so good. It has so many different things in it. That's what I love about it. - Thank you. Yeah, there's definitely something for anybody.

Like I wanted to run the game and give something to anybody who wants to try cook it. - I like your little instruction part two, where it's like cook it, read it through first. Cook it the way that I cook it.

And then do your special piece next. - 100% and also, I get so frustrated when people screw up a recipe. And they say that they didn't actually read. The recipe through, it's like rule number one.

Read the recipe through all the way. - Yeah. - But yeah, I want people to riff off stuff. Like I want to tell you. - Yeah.

- Dog aired and like noted up and like make it, make it your own. - I love that. - Yeah. - It's such a good one. - And I like the little like instructions

about like what kitchen tools to buy, all of that. - That's a big tool. That's actually huge 'cause I have a lot of cookbooks and that's rare to have in a cookbook.

- I wanna make sure people are like set up for success. - 'Cause it sucks when you like set everything up and you're like, let's go. And then they're like, all right, use this weird strainer that you don't have in your book.

- They're like, look out the studio machine.

“And you're like, why would I own a supermarket machine?”

- Like, I don't have that. - Like, they can't door dash that right now. No, I love that. - Damn, I love it so much. - Oh.

- All right, so everybody make sure to order a little bit extra. - Yes. - Came out today. - Yeah.

- I don't know. (laughing) - And it's available where? - Literally anywhere. You can Amazon at Walmart, Target at your local bookstore.

- I'll go. - Out of love the local bookstore. - Literally anywhere. - I forget it. - Yeah, we're gonna put the link to where you can order

in the show notes. - So don't click that link. - Click it. - Buy it, buy it, buy it. - All right, so you just released your book.

- Yes. - Patricia Cornwell are girly, released her first book. 30-something years ago. - Oh, through. - And we are here to talk about post-mortem.

- Hell, yes. - Which first book, first book ever. You read the book. - In the case, Scar Petisier. - When you were how old?

I think I was like 10. That's wild. - Which like? - I was white in it. - Born at.

- You were born 1990. - Yeah. - I was in a life. I was five. (laughing)

“- I think my mom was still in high school.”

Damn. - Maybe, I'm not sure. - I don't know her life. - Yeah. - I do remember seeing my mom read Patricia Cornwell

books all the time. - Yeah. - So this was a fun one to dive into. - Hell, yeah. - This is really fun.

I remember you talking about Patricia Cornwell

for as long as I can remember, but I'd never picked one up.

I don't even know why, 'cause now I'm like, I want to read all the time. - I don't know that. - Kay, it has a special place in my heart now. - Oh, I love Kay.

- And Kay just gets better and better. That's good to know. - That's just super star. She does. She evolves in a big way.

Can't wait during the series. - Love it, love it, love her. - Also, the show just came out. - Yeah. - I think by the time you guys are listening to this,

that definitely came out. So I'm excited to watch that. I know that it will probably spoil some like future ones, but I'm willing to do that. - I'm willing to dive in.

- So I think what it does, it's like a dual timeline, where it covers this book at post-mortem. And then the second timeline is gonna cover autopsy, which I think is like the 25th book. So it's the big time jump and they'll cover both timelines.

“So I think you can watch some of it after this”

and not get spoiled, but the other one you'll, you'll get spoiled, cool, don't you? - But there's like 29 books to read. - And a lot of bad guys, so it's like, you're really only spoiling one, one like storyline.

- And they cast Nicole Kidman. - And she looks funny at all. - No. - Like does she aid? - Which one though?

- No, I saw a recent interview with her and I was like,

what? - And it's just always perfect.

- Yeah, literally. - It's like Lilo, how Lilo just emerged. And you were like, why do you look like a newborn baby come out of your mother's womb? And that's how Nicole Kidman looks now.

She really does. And I was like, whoa, I'm like, maybe she micro needles. - Hey, as somebody who just got micro needles done, can you tell, can you tell, do you see the world?

- This bud of skin. All right, so we thought we could start off by playing some chef/medical examiner questions. - Yes. - Do you want to just go back and forth on these?

- Yeah. - All right, I'll start. - So Riley, if Kay came into your restaurant pop up,

what would you cook for her to restore her faith

in humanity? - It's a tall order.

“It's a tall order, but I think I'm up to the test.”

- I think you are. - So she is our Italian queen, so I had to do a pasta, of course. So I think I would do a red wine braised, short rib ragu.

- Oh, she's so like fresh. - May pop up. - Pop up. - Oh. - And just like some slutty garlic bread.

- Yeah! - Because like, you can't go wrong with that. And that would restore my faith. - Yeah, right. - And like, maybe a little side of Barada

for Duncan was the best one. And then, I don't think we touched on it in the book. But I feel like she loves dark chocolate. - Oh, yeah. - Brian, yeah.

- Don't you think she likes snacks on dark chocolate? - Oh, yeah. - So I feel like a dark chocolate buddhino, like an Italian pudding with a little olive oil and flaky salt.

- Oh, that's a chef. - Oh, I'm a real chef, guys. - Yeah, I promise. - Yeah, I'm a real chef. - I am a real chef, that's my job.

- And then it's her new fun. - And then it's her new fun. - That's a brilliant meal. And that, that, like, checks off the assignment. That would restore her faith in humanity.

- She feels like life is worth living. - Yeah, she feels like, you know what? - It's all fine. - Yeah. - What's it going to be good?

- How long do you cook your short ribs for? - Okay, I mean, it'll depend the size, but like, three hours, two and a half, three hours. It's a bigger, you might need to go up to like, three and a half. - That's what I do, three and a half.

- Yeah. - So long as they're like fall apart,

I mean, you can always just like chuck them back

in the oven and cook them. - Yeah, yeah.

“- That's what the beauty of short ribs are.”

- I know, short ribs. - I do too. - I think that would be my last meal, I sure. - Ooh.

- And like garlic mashed potatoes. - Damn, yeah, you gotta have to take this out of the way. - Next time, that's what you're coming back for. - Next time, that's what you're coming back for. - Yeah, that's what you're coming back for.

- I was about to say, can we just go to the kitchen right now? - Yeah, let's go. - Use the fridge to see what it has. - I was no leave-end.

- Perfect. - Bye, bye. - So the next question is a strange one, but I used to work in a morgue. Obviously, everybody listening goes that.

- What? - A casual draw. - I know. - But you didn't like it. - It was fun.

- Yeah, it was fun. - And between cases, you get hungry. - Okay. - And you have to go back to the office and you gotta eat something real quick.

And you need something that's gonna like keep you going. - So what would you make for a cascarpetta to bring you some more snack? - Can I give a chaotic answer? - Yeah, literally like water.

- Can I kiss her? - I feel like you have to avoid meat. - Yeah. - Yeah, I feel like that's true.

“- I'm hoping I'm prodding around on a dead body.”

So I'm going with a tofu curry or something. Because it's gonna be filling. You get your protein hit. - Okay. - And I feel like also you might want something aromatic

to kind of mask the smell of the more. So like a lemon grassy red curry tofu with some rice. And you don't want to be picking anything up. I don't think either. You don't want to be eating with your hands.

- Yeah, so you can spoon. So that's, I know that's like a little. - No, I love that. - But I like it. - I really love that. - Especially the lemon flavor.

- A little brightness. - Yeah, a little brightness. - Yes. - 'Cause a little stale in there. - A little stale.

- A little mustard. - Yeah. - You came home a few times spelling. Interesting. - Oh yeah.

- And I came up the one of the things that's great. - She was just a little side thing. Is the smell will you get your throat? - So when you-- - I'm sorry.

- I'm sorry. - It's later. - It should taste like the smell. I went out to dinner with John once after like a shift. - And they shower and I done all the things and I was sitting there eating.

And I was like, it's taste like this. - I'm a little more to find it out. - Yeah, that's crazy.

- I heard that story a million times and I would fight every day.

- I'd fair enough. My own experience like that is that I used to work like the fish station at a restaurant. - Oh, oh. - You just smell like fish.

- Yep. - It's just for me. - You're using gloves, you're like washing hands obviously, but it's just like you can't get rid of it. - And it's just in your--

- In your nostril. - Like you cannot get rid of it. - Drew, my husband worked out the fish counter at the grocery market and I don't know why I just said the grocery market at the grocery market.

- The grocery store market. - Yeah. - All of the money. - The grocery market. - The local grocery market.

- Yeah. - Like he had a pair of shoes that I would not want. - It's my bedroom. - I was like, get those. - There's like scales on it.

- No. - They were one with the ocean. (laughing) - I just shot them back in the ocean. - Oh my God.

- It was so gross. - That I had shoes as well, that had to stay outside. - Yep. - I remember that. - Outside shoes, yeah.

- Yeah, it was like take them off. - I'm gonna give you this next question too because it's just like for you to ask it. - Oh yeah. - So, again in the morgue,

I was like shocked to see that we used things from like lows or home depot at times. - Not really. - 'Cause they just worked better. - So we used like literal hedge clippers

with like the orange handles as rib cutters. - You have to be strong to do that too. - You have to be like real strong. - She's done. - She's the laner.

- Especially the clavicle. - She's doing those. - Oh no. - But the clavicle especially. - That's like that's a two cut one.

- But yeah, they're kinda good. - Just the cleanest leverage. - And those hedge clippers give you good leverage 'cause they have the big handles.

But what is something in a kitchen

that we would kind of be shocked to see what it is used for it's my God. - You're on eating something normal or something? - You're gonna just barfe. (laughing)

- Okay, well, I'm only divulging my husband's secret

“because I think this is one of his little party trick things.”

He brings up all the time. - I love that. - He has gross feet. - Okay. - Poor Ryan has gross feet, but you know what?

- He embraces it and he laughs about it. - Okay, yeah. - One day, I saw him in the bathroom with a microplane, grading his feet. You know what a microplane is?

This actually is. - Yeah. - grading his feet. - Like up the nail salon. - Like up the nail salon.

- It's a literal, that she's grader. - Like her planes, that's her. - And you said that's my doll. - And I was like, "Bake, babe." - And that's what, not what that's for.

- But it is what it is. - It literally is. - It's for both. - It's for both.

- But you shouldn't use them for both.

- No, it's for both, but you get one for that. - And one for the kids. - You said anything, so that's not the kind of Parmesan cheese we need. - Oh, sorry.

- That's too far. - I like how skews me. - I thought it was that more bad. - I've cut my ribs with head to head. - So that one, yeah.

- I do believe that the microplane was originally made for woodworking, though. - Oh. - So it was like used to like finish edges of black cabinets and stuff as it took it like a form.

- It's like a multi, multi used to be cheese. - Cheese cheese. - Double cheese. - Wow. - But cheese, we're going to cheese.

- Offering cheese. - I like that. - I like that. - Okay moving on from food cheese. - Okay, moving on from food cheese.

- We don't know. - We don't know. - We don't know. - We don't know. - We love a full circle.

- Yeah. - Yeah, it is on top.

- And then we're getting there.

So the script had his work obviously involved studying what somebody ate before they died. As a chef, would it make you kind of nervous

“that your cooking could end up being in an autopsy report?”

- So I think what makes me nervous about that is that somebody would like see it and be like, oh, that was not cooked properly. Like they judged the way that I put. Like can you imagine there was like

yellow reviews that like, that were like, oh, the stomach contents were not prepared by the chef. - Oh my god. - That chef.

- That chef. - Is that a chef? - Is that a chef? - Do you have a star for whoever cooked like? - What would you have would end up?

And like what would your best meal be? That would be in an autopsy report later. - Oh my god. - That you'd be like, that's mine. Like you think it would be wild me.

- What feels like that's like getting asked like what your favorite thing to cook is which is every chef's works, right, my favorite question. But I will say, I love cooking Mexican food and there's a sauce called mole in like,

what can food? - Oh yeah. - Well, how can this my like all-time favorite type of Mexican? - But yeah, if I could like nail a mole and somebody open up and they're like,

oh, smells like a delicious Mexican mole. - Yeah. - I do. - I'm feeling jealous. - Yeah.

- I'm feeling jealous. - They're blessed. You lost crazy. - They're like, does anyone have chips? - Yeah.

- Yeah. - Like, take up chips. - Oh my god. - Oh, that's a good one. - That's a good one.

- That is a good one. - That's like one of my pride enjoys. I make a good mole. And it's a hard thing to make. - I was gonna say that.

- Yeah. - It's like flavor intensive. Lots of ingredients. He's lots of balancing going on. - Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, next time you come back, you got it.

- I know. - You've answered three food questions and I'm like, I came in a moment. - I came empty handed except for a booky up there. - There are both.

- It's not food. - It's not empty handed. - I won't eat him. - I broke. - Just in the moment.

- Ode did try to bite. I only have like two of those and Ode tried to bite one of their legs. - Oh, oh, oh, oh. - I was in my dog. - I used to have a dog named Ode too.

- You did. - You didn't feel like dog Ode. - And he was like half wolf. He was like an insane dog. Ode is half like baked potato. He's like, he's a pit ball but his legs are like three inches long.

So he's like really stumpy and loaded around. - Yeah, he has a little like flipper paws. - I love him. - He's broke you. - Oh my god, I was down my way for him.

- I know, I literally broke him. - Is he like half weird, aren't you? - We think he is like Dawson or like hound of some sort. Yeah, 'cause he has like the little flipped out front feet. - Stop it, I know.

- I loved him. - But the pity fades. - A little potato. - Oh, I love it. - I'm obsessed.

- We don't even talk about it. - Not at all. - Oh, so onto the next question. So I'll just talk about dogs for four minutes.

“But if you could cook a meal inspired by the book post-mortem, what would be on the menu?”

- Okay, there's so many ways that this one could go, but I do a thing for my client's pancake friday. We have pancakes. - I literally love that you're going here. - We just cut his cake.

- Did you? - Yeah. - They're a perfect food. - Oh, I love it. - Oh, I love it. - So, I hope they're your favorite.

- Yeah, so a fat sack of pancakes, some maple whip butter and some maple glaze bacon. - Oh, wow. - Because what is the disease called the maple syrup? - The maple syrup? - Yes.

- The maple syrup came up so frequently. It's like a maple tree. The killer, like what is going on here? - I came in here the other day and I go maple syrup. - Do you realize that?

- I literally googled because I was like that is made of. - It's not. - It's not.

- Yeah, I've never heard of that before.

That's a perfect meal for this. - Yeah. - So you know, you started in a, I love, I'm obsessed with that. - You gotta go with the bapes. - Yeah.

- All right, a next question. So both chefs and forensic pathologists obviously work with knives and anatomy. Very different ways, but they both work in that area.

“What is the closest moment you've had in the kitchen that felt like a science experiment?”

Either gone wrong or right. Doesn't have to be one or the other. - Okay, so bread baking is such a science experiment for me. And I've had it go perfectly where you get the crustiest, most beautiful sourdough bed ever. - Do the little crunch.

- Yeah, the crunch doesn't springs back and you get the good airballs. But then I've also had it go completely the opposite direction where it's like literally a goopy blobby mess. - Yep. - And that's like, it's literally science and you're just makes sense. In my head, I don't understand how it works.

- Alainus, so horrified by sourdough starters. She's like afraid of myself. - 'Cause it's gonna come to life in the back of your fridge. - I don't know what you mean. - What do you mean?

- Like what you mean? And then she'll be like, I mean this with my sourdough. But you fed it. - It fed it. - So you fed it.

- I do think it's gonna eat it. - Personified a little more than it is.

- It is very, it's not really just yeast-

- And I think that's the problem I have with it. - Yeah. - The personification of sourdough. - So I am part of the problem. - It's a shout, sourdough sharder.

(laughter) - Such a place of sharder. - You guys are really certain left and right. - It's very easy to say sharder. - I don't know.

- Say it again. - One more time. (laughter) - Say it again. One more time.

(laughter) - She's crying. (laughter) - That's probably how I feel about sourdough sharders. - I'm not sure if it's a lot.

- Yeah. - I'm blushing. - This is me, is yours named or no? - I have an end of mine. - Oh, so you're not part of the problem.

- Mine's named your part of the answer. - My tilde. - Yeah, she's a bad bitch. - I get it. - And that's thing.

You'll talk about feeding a tilde. - You know what? I've been like, Loki's starving. - Okay, well, can I just throw it out there that people are also so scared.

“You have to feed it every week and be honest.”

- I've left mine in the fridge for months. - Oh, mine's been in the fridge for many, many months. - Many months. - I have one on the counter right now that looks fine to me. And I haven't felt like a week.

- You're probably not going to use it. - But I think they're more forgiving than people think they're. - Probably, I think they're not. - I think so. - They're terrifying.

I don't know why. (laughter) - You don't like, I wonder if you have that phobia of the bubble. - Oh, a trip of phobia? No, that's the holes.

Is that the same thing? - I don't really know where to say it about the holes. But you don't like that at like gurgles. I don't like that it feels alive. That's the way that it feels like.

And then you're like, eat this bread that I made from that. Like, I think that's where my, you do like the bread. I love the bread. - Thank you. - That's sort of a problem.

- Would be on my final death room. I'm just hot, sourdough bread with buttercream. - I'm very committed. - I don't know what I'm saying. - It's kind of, yeah.

- And it's kind of a feel conflicted. - And it shows how kind you are that you care about. I'm gonna tell those things. - This is a safe space. - It's true.

I care about but don't let it go. I'm just very, it's crying. I don't like what it does like, they stop. It's really upset. - Oh, so what?

What ingredient would absolutely give you away. If you try to commit a culinary crime. Like, what is your fingerprint in ingredient form? - That's a clever question. I like this a lot.

- Thank you. - I love lemon zest. - Oh. - I put, I, with my kitchen microplane. (laughing)

- He said the kitchen my father. Seriously, like lemon zest, or citrus zest in general, is just like such a great way to like give a ton of aromatic, like bursts of flavor. Like, also if you don't want to like that really acidic juice,

sometimes it's just like a nice little breakfast room. - That's true. - I am a freak. Like, it became a joke on set when we were doing the photos for the book. Jillian, the guy that was the food size with me.

She would be like lemon zest on us. - Yeah, the thrill of lemon zest. - All of it. - And it looks pretty. - It's crazy.

- It's like adds a little of flavor. - That's cold. - Yeah. - I love that. - Yeah.

- I love that a lot. - Yeah. - I think she would be mine. - Cheese. - Just all purpose cheese.

- Yes. - It's cheese. There's like that's her. I think garlic be mine. - Oh yeah.

- I put garlic in everything. - Yeah. - And I love extra garlic. - Oh, hell yeah. - If it's like too close.

- No, no. - Just say like garlic measure with your heart. - That's literally. - Yeah. - That's vanilla extract.

- Yeah. - I'm dreadful. - Oh, whenever I bake, I do double the vanilla and double the salt. - Oh, double the salt.

- Double the salt. - Like cookies, chocolate, chocolate, cookies. - Oh, crap. - Toad of salt.

- I always shopped them with salt.

- Oh, you got it. - The best. - Oh, that's good to know. I love that. Hell yeah.

I guess now we can get into the book. - Yeah. - She's going to have a book. - Talked about that. - So what do we think of the book?

- 90s, incredible, strong women. Like I walked away with it being like women, empowering other women. - Yeah.

“- How many times are you coming together to be badass?”

- Yeah. - Like that was how it closed for me and I looked at it. - 'Cause I love that it ended with Kay, Abby, and Lucy. - Yeah. - Like all coming to you.

- Yes. - And how much and see ended up helping? - I know. - Yes. - That little girl.

- I have to confess at one point. One thing I love about the book too is it took me on so many journeys of who I thought did it.

- And at one point I was blaming little Lucy. - I was like the 10-year-old girl is definitely not the killer. But in my head I was like, she might have done it. - I've actually broken into the star base for sure.

“I was like, I don't know why, but I think she did.”

- But it was so clever the way she would like weave everybody's story and then I was like, "Oh, I'm sure it's this person." And then no, now I'm sure it's this person. - He's so good at that.

- Yes. - They were so good at that. - There was so many times, especially like the further along we got into it that I thought it was Bill. I really, really thought it was Bill.

- He's fleed. I was like, Bill sucks ass. - I was pissed.

I didn't feel like from the second question.

- I didn't feel like he got his in. - I agree. - You know what I mean? - I agree. - Like I want, I want somebody to pummel him.

- Yeah. - I think Abby's gonna take care of him. - Abby's gonna pummel him. - And is it Amber G. - I think so.

- Yeah. - Yeah. - I wanted to pummel that the worst. - Just men being horrible. - I also thought that it was Wingo at a certain point.

- You did. - Yes. - That nobody was safe. Nobody was safe in my brain. - No.

- Not even little Lucy. - You're like that bitch is up for like crazy. - She was just nine people. Like Dale. - She's strong ten year old.

- She's strong ten year old. - She's leaving Simon. - She's leaving Simon. - I was just gonna say. - She's just leaving Simon.

- She's just leaving Simon.

“- That's why she's coming in the morgue.”

- She's a booger. - She's a booger. Hands on non-secretary. She's like, what's this? I guess I'll throw it on people.

- I guess I'll throw it on. - Oh my god. - Oh my god. - It doesn't make me blush a lot. - Little girl's love.

- So the maple syrup also, the syrup smells. - That's true. - And there's oyster. They are all sticky. - It's smelly.

- Yeah. - It's smelly. - Yeah. - It's smelly. - It's smelly.

- It's smelly. - It's smelly. - It's smelly. - It's smelly. - It's smelly.

- It's smelly. - Yeah. - It's smelly. - It's smelly. - I love the foam.

- Of course. - Of course. - I love it. But I do love to that. They made marino, like, like, such a foil in the beginning.

And then at the end, he ends up, like, standing up for her. - I like saving her house. - Yeah. And then saving her. - Thank God.

Because there had to be one good, like, straight man to come through. Like, do something to, like, restore her face a little bit. - And it was, like, questionable for most people. Because, like, he said, and they're being, like, god damn woman when he walks away. And you're like marino.

- Yeah. - Marino's, like, uh, he's a main today. - I really like you. - Oh, interesting.

This is my first book that I've read in the series.

I'm definitely going to read more about it. It's interesting to see, like, which characters come back. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It's really fun.

- And you said you know, see, as I mean, it becomes a very big character. - Oh. - Pretty bad. - Okay, fun. - She's fun.

- I feel like she's going to grow up to be, like, a computer hacker. - Yeah. - Like, one of the good ones. - She works fine on us. - Yeah.

- There you go. You know, close up. - I love that theory. I love that, like, throughout the book.

“It's like, there's, I think there's a lot of, like,”

cabing, like, science and logic. And, like, we need to look at this, like, this and marino's, the one that's, like, I'm going off of instinct. And I think it's this, like, I have street smarts. - Yeah.

- So let's go this way. - One to school hard not. - Yeah. He's, like, I know this. He was wrong for most of the book with his instincts,

and she was right. And then in the end, it flipped and his instincts had him show up to safer. - Yep. - So I like that they gave him both.

- Totally. - And it was almost like confirming, like, you need both sides. Yeah, you can't just be one of the other. - It's so true. And just the way their relationship developed,

because, like, I think when she first found out that he was driving by her house, she thought it was because he wanted to be like, "Oh, how much does the chief medical exam make and, like, he wanted to judge her?"

- Yeah. - But he actually just had this instinct to pretend. - Yeah, you just were saying. - Yeah. - I love them together.

- I know. - He told me that I was going to love Bruno, so I was like, as I was thinking through, I was like, all right, not yet. - You would have told me that at the beginning, I would not.

- I was like, I was like, I was going to give him a moment. - Yeah. - And then I did. And I did. And now I'm like, I love Bruno.

- Oh, yeah. - Yeah. - Love him. I had so many theories about who the killer was. Throughout this, like, we were just talking.

We thought it was like, "Wingo." - Yeah. We thought it was, I mean, I thought it was, that has been a first. - There was a map.

- A little bit where I was like, "Fuck, is it Bruno?" - Yeah. - Yeah. - If you just don't know. And then when it comes,

I like that it came through with, like, it was like a layered reveal of like,

but you, I never thought coming.

- I did not know. - You had coming up with that until it was like announced. I was like, "Oh, shit." Like, that makes so much sense. - At first, I was a little disappointed

that it wasn't somebody that I'd like grown. - We were talking about that. - Like a deep relationship. - Yeah. - But I do think it's kind of in the end.

Let's us walk away with like our own ideas of who those people are and how they evolved. - Yeah. - By putting it, by making it like a rando. - Yeah.

- What is a spoiler? - But I thought it was a spoiler. - But I thought it was a spoiler. - But I thought it was a spoiler. But I thought it was a spoiler.

- But I thought it was a spoiler. - But I thought it was a spoiler. - But I thought it was a spoiler. - But I thought it was a spoiler. - But I thought it was a spoiler.

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- But I thought it was a spoiler. - But I thought it was a spoiler. - But I thought it was a spoiler. - But I thought it was a spoiler. - But I thought it was a spoiler.

- But I thought it was a spoiler. - But I thought it was a spoiler. - I thought it was a super creative. - It was like a unique kind of...

“- Have you ever heard of that with a serial group?”

- Yeah. - Before listening to that. - That they listened to them and distressed. - And that were like that. - But I don't know that we've ever come across that.

- So I think that was like... - Yeah. - That was a real creative Patricia. - It was. - Oh, I'm sorry.

- Yeah. - How do you translate with that one? - You really did a big slide. - You did a big slide, Patty. - Well, they think she does a good job too.

Like showing case isolation. - Yeah. - She starts feeling isolated. - Big time. - 'Cause she's surrounded by men.

- And she's kind of like male dominated field. - She feels like she's losing it. - Yeah. - And everybody's like, "You look so tired." - I know like literally you can see her like devolving

- Yeah. - Like sleepy shell of a person. - Yeah. - Which is like because she's working so hard and then also doing work in something

that is like so traumatizing. - Yeah. - It's like a worst of humanity. - Yeah.

- And I think she looked at that first victim that we saw.

- Yeah. - And I think she saw herself. - Yeah. - It was like a young female doctor. - One man met that one time.

- Yeah. - And she kind of like kept that to herself for a while. And then was like when she talked to the psychiatrist or psychologist, when she let that go, I was like, "Oh, that's why that's affecting you."

- Yeah. - And another one where I was like, "Okay, who's on school campus?" That like would have seen them together. That could have picked them out.

- Yeah.

“- And that's why it's so fun to listen to.”

- Yeah. - It really is. I also like the way that Patricia does it where you get so much of her work life. But you also get her home life so you can see why she's so

fucking stressed out. - Yes. - Because in the middle of everything that she's dealing with like trying to solve this insane murder. She's only taking care of a 10 year old.

- Yeah. - And her sister's just like, "Peace out." - Yeah. - And it's like, I'm like, "Oh, my illustrator "to my ambeer."

- Yeah. - So now she has to be a mom. - Right. - I hate Dorothy. - Yeah.

- She's the one to make me sick. - Basically. - Exactly. - Interesting character. - That's being nice.

- So we're out the series. - Well, she sticks around. She will be courteous, please Dorothy. - Yeah. - I caught it.

- And when you see her in the trailers, the previews? - Yes. - I mean, I can see it. - Yeah. - It was so not what I pictured,

but now I can't picture anything else. - I'm like, "What did I picture?" - You'll, because you're picturing her like younger too. - Yeah.

- But she, we're probably seeing her. Like an extra shine line. - Yeah. - Okay. - To me, I kept seeing her when I was reading

like a mix of Dana Scully. - Yes. - And Carmella from... - Oh, Carmella's the best. - Oh, I love her.

- Oh, I love her. - But she's definitely got Dana Scully. - She's definitely has Dana Scully vibe. - Yeah. - It kind of like reserved like cool,

like very, like methodical. - Yep. - But then I wanted her to be like, kind of the Italian, like... - Yeah.

- Yeah. - Carmella's amazing. - Exactly. - Exactly. - And what's cool as the series goes,

you get a lot of case personal life outside of the Morgan. - I'm excited. - And she's like... - Cook.

- Like, she loves to cook. She loves to garden. Like, she's got all these like passions outside of it that they develop. - Mm.

- Yeah, they drop the gardening one towards them. - Yeah. - Okay. She's like very well-rounded in the rest of the series. Like, you get so many looks at, like, her life.

- Mm-hmm. - I really like it. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Because you would need that.

If you're the chief medical examiner, you need, like, outlets that are... - Yeah. - Oh, my gosh.

“- Yeah, you need to put your head somewhere.”

- Yeah. - And I related to that so much because even, like, when we do, like, these, like, very violent stories, I love going home and cooking.

And I, like, yes. - I have stuff going on in my personal life. Like, cooking is an outlet for me for sure, yeah? - It's such a good way to just, like, decompress, you, like, put your phone down

and touch with your senses and, like, take your time if you can. - Yeah. - And, like, and, like, create something. - Create.

- And then it's like, - With your hand. - Yeah. - It's chopping all the ingredients. Like, it does something for my nervous system.

- Yeah. - Yeah. - I feel like, when I first started doing cooking videos, I was very into, like, the ASMR chop style, like, lean into those, like, heavy sauteing sounds

and onion chopping, like, I love that. - Wow. - I love the second sauteing. - Like, immediately mouthwash. - Yes.

- That was one thing in the book that I was, like, can't relate. I forget which victim it was, but she opened her windows because she had, - Oh, the ground meat.

- Oh, the ground beef and onions, I was like, - Yeah. - I'm like, smells fucking. - Yeah, the broth. - Yeah, the broth.

- So, like, I love that smell. - If I'm like cooking that and I go outside for some reason and come back, I'm like, "Oh, the house in the house right now!"

I'll never open the windows and get rid of that.

- Yeah. - Yeah. - That's true. And speaking of windows. - Ah.

- The other night, while she was finishing this,

she texted and she was like, "I am freaking out, closing all my windows and making sure they are double triple checks." - Yeah. - Genuinely scared.

- No, you guys. - I sat down.

“I think it was, like, last Saturday or something,”

and I read almost the entire book in one sitting, 'cause I just, I was, like, eating this up. - Yeah. - And it was, like, 10 o'clock by the time I finished. - Oh my God.

- I went her on my entire house. I locked all the windows. There was one that wasn't looking. I ran upstairs. I was like, "True, the downstairs dining room window

is not locking. Why?" And he was like, "What?" - He was like, "Why are you staring at me?" - He was like, "Fix it."

- I'm like, "Can you please get up and go fix the window and he did?" And it locks, so don't even try it. (laughter) - Don't even try it.

- Don't even try it. - So, yeah. - I grew up in a, that town where, like, literally my dad would keep the keys to his car on his dashboard.

We did not own a key to our front door. - Oh my God. - So, I had to be like very retrained.

Like, right, my husband's dad is like,

was a cop. And so, Brian's like the opposite. And that's where he's like, "We're home and all the doors are locked." And I'm like, "Why is our front door locked?"

So, this is all very foreign to me. - I'm so funny. - But, like, between Ryan and listening to you guys, I feel like I've become much more... - Much more cautious.

- Fresh air for dead people, at all. - I just love fresh air, though. - I do love fresh air, though. - I do love fresh air. - Just to walk.

- Yeah, yeah. - And I love to burp the house starting the day. - We've learned about this. - We just learned about this. - Yeah, it's a thing.

It's like, is it a German thing? - Is it a German thing? - It's a German thing. - I think it's Dutch. - It's wonderful.

- What is it called? - What is it called? I said, I was like, "We need to do this for the house. - In Phoenix, we have to, like,

turn on our heat during the summer, sometimes because it sits... - Oh my God. - It sits idle for so long. That you have to burp the heater.

- Yeah. - But I don't think we have to, like,

“once a month, you have to, like, turn the heat up,”

a little bit on your already hot. - Oh my God. - Oh, that sounds awful. - Yeah, my friends do it. - Hot.

- Hot. - Yeah, you're saying it gets up to, like, 120 degrees. - I mean, I'm in the hamstrings when that happens. - Like, smart, smart, smart, smart, smart.

- We can't have you on fire like that. - No, we can. - No, I would literally know. - Yeah, burping the house is German. It's called, I think it's luftin.

- luftin. - We luftin, we luftin the house. - Yeah, I love luftin the house. I was so scared. - Even when I left you yesterday, you were by yourself, and I was like, "Lock the door."

- Yeah, she was very aggressive about it, actually. When she was like, "Close the door and lock it behind me." And I was like, "I don't know, I'm very, I do that." I left my friend's house last night in her house, was so hot, we were both sweating.

And she was a guy, I'm gonna sleep with the window open. I was like, "No, no, no, no."

- I always wish you could do that.

- No, I always want to do that because, like, fresh air coming in, feels nice. But I never would. - I know, like, let me have a window open. - You know what?

We just need to put bars on our windows. That's perfect. - Perfect. - Yeah. - And you can open it.

- And you can open it. - No one can open it. - Oh my god. - Oh my god. - I had a country vibe.

- But you know what? - I had a country city. (laughing) - You can make the bars like translucent. - Oh, okay.

- Oh, okay. - A decorate room. - I'm on board now. - I'm on board now. - I'm on board now.

- I'm on board now. - So that nobody's getting in those dishes. - Wait, how did you feel? I forget. - I don't remember, like, what scene this was or anything, but I just remember, she said, she didn't, I don't remember any part of this thing.

- Single thing. - I actually don't know what I'm saying. No, she said that she really hated Spanish moss. - Case carpada. - Oh.

- And I said, do you feel personally victimized? - Yeah, because I love Spanish moss. - Spanish moss. - Spanish moss. (laughing)

- It's red. - It's like shirt. (laughing) - Spanish shorts. - I love Spanish moss.

- It's cute. - It's so cute. - It's cute. - And it feels so like gothic. - It feels so southern gothic.

- Yeah. - I requested from John. I was like, can we please just like, truck up some Spanish moss? - I don't think it survived here.

- I think it survived here. - And he was like, it will not. - I don't think that's how plants work. (laughing) - Oh, yeah, yeah.

- It's like invasive. - Yeah. - It gets into the nitty gritty of it. It's maybe not as cute. - It is invasive.

- It is invasive. - It gave me a nod. - Yeah. - But like, my plants had a comment. Also, that's called a boss bitch energy.

She knows she's the one. She said me. - It me crying. - I'm that girl. - That's right.

- Oh, I love a Spanish moss though. - Yeah. - Beautiful. - The abby turn full of it all. - Oh, okay.

- Is Bill? - Yeah. - Like building a full on right this. - He's just a rapist. - That's perfect.

- That's perfect. - And then he's claiming that she came on to him and he rejected her. I was like, you piece of shit. - A classic maneuver.

- Yeah, totally. - What pissed me off to was he was like,

“I think now that I've run away, we probably shouldn't see each other.”

Fuck you. She didn't want to see her come back. - Does he come back? - No. - Oh, I don't think he--

- But yeah, I don't think we got the justice that we deserve with him. - Yeah. - Yeah. He doesn't become a rapist. - So didn't he just get away with rape then?

- I don't know, actually. I don't remember. - In my head, he gets-- - I'm just down there. - I'm just down there.

- Oh, yeah. - Oh, yeah. - Oh, yeah. - Oh, yeah. - You were saying in my head,

I thought you were saying he gets away with it. - Oh, no. - You're like me. - You're like, wrongy-bomb. - I know, I know.

- You're like, why would I say that? - I also liked it. So when Marino was kind of like pressing her about it,

And he was like, has he-- - Yeah. - Like, has that happened? - Was like pressing her? - And she was like, actually kind of--

- I apologize later, which was like a big Marino comment. I was like, look at you apologize. - He grew a lot. - Yeah. - I mean the bars in hell.

- Obviously. - Oh, yeah. - In the 90's and he was so embarrassed. - He was so embarrassed. - He's so mad.

I just meant-- - Don't do that. - For a reason. - Literally. - 'Cause I'm just like, look at him.

- Saying sorry. - I know. - For pressing the rape question. Like, damn. - Yeah.

- But I was like, that's pretty good for Marino. I mean, Bill's wife's possible suicide? Because I don't think she committed suicide. - Yes.

“- That's why I don't want to say that he doesn't show up again,”

'cause I'm not positive on that. I haven't read the beginning of the series in a long time. - Oh, I mean, you were going back and read best. - I was young. - Fair that you forgot.

- That's a tough along the way.

- Yeah, when I first heard that she had committed suicide.

Eric quotes. - Yeah. - I was like that immediately. I was like, Bill, yeah. - Yeah.

- Red flag bills and no good. Like, I'm scared for, okay. - Yeah. - And it was only like a year before. - Yeah.

- He was like, weird about it. She was like, yeah, I don't. Like, she was normal about it. But she was like, had conflicting feelings. - Yeah.

'Cause she was like, that's not all the time. - And then they were saying, like, well, like, she could have because she had like gunpowder residue on her hand, but I'm like, he's a cop. - He's like, no exactly how to cover everything up.

- I thought that we didn't talk about the dust. - The glitter dust. - The glitter dust. You want to know what? I thought it was like four of the whole book.

Basically, I thought it was going to come out that it was like leftover fingerprint dusting powder, so I was like, it's an inside jaw. I was like, it's a cop who has like fingerprint powder on them, and they don't know.

- It's more for all. - I mean, you really weren't like in the, the law enforcement part of it. - True. - 'Cause I had that I loved.

Because the whole time I was like, what the fuck is this glittery shit? - Yes. - And then it suddenly ended up. - Yeah.

And as soon as they were like, oh, municipal buildings used for us. - And the bathroom. - So I was like, oh shit. - Like, top it up.

- It's all happening. - Oh, it's all happening. - I was really fascinated. - Yeah. - And I also loved to be,

“when they went to visit the crime scenes,”

Marino and Kay. And they went into like the psychology a lot more. That was a really interesting scene. That was also just like so cinematic. - Yeah.

- Yeah. - I could see that in my head the entire time. - I can't wait to see that. - Yeah. - It just in the show.

- Yeah. - It felt like so like hot and sweaty. - Yeah. - And like, so nerve-racking. - Yeah.

- Clostophobic. - Yeah. - And his nasty ass car definitely smelled like. - Oh, definitely like McDonald's rappers all over us. - Yeah.

- I love his car. I'm pretty sure like persevere. That's like a character. - I think that's like part of his like, the apology.

- As somebody who's had nasty ass cars, I get it. - Do you guys want to know something I splurge on? - No. - I drive so much. I drive so much because I work like split shifts.

And now I splurge on having somebody come to watch my car once a month. - Oh, yeah. - Hell yeah. - Honestly.

- Valid.

- It's a freaking game changer.

- Hell yeah. - What do that?

“My husband details my car like incredibly.”

But if I didn't have him, I would absolutely do that. - He's looking for another husband. - Yeah. - Yeah. Come on over there.

- No Ryan did set all this up for me. So I'm very like, but yeah, it's having a clean car is. - Yes. - It's like like second house. It starts your day off.

- Yes. - You just get in there and you're like, yeah. - Yeah, you don't want to sit in the nasty ass car. - I drink my coffee on there. - Yeah.

- Exactly. I used to have the foul and nasty ass cars. This literally came up at my way. - Why can I see this? - Yeah, I feel like this made of water.

This made sure enough honor in that moment. I just spent everywhere. - I brought up I once left fish, talk goes in my car. - Yeah. - And then something spilled in my car.

I was like, was it like, it was chicken. - Chicken and Marsella. - Yeah. - Oh. (laughing)

- Chicken car, saw. - Chicken car, saw. - Yeah, chicken car, saw. - Chicken car, saw for that. - And it is forever.

- And it is driving a white Saturn around. (laughing) - You're driving my chicken car, saw. (laughing) - And joy.

- They don't even make that car anymore. I love her name. - That is like such a niche thing. - It's not gonna make it. - It's not gonna make it.

- It's not gonna make it. - It was a rough spell. - Ooh. - I thought that one's well. - That one's well.

- And it's like, it was impossible. - It was impossible. - Yeah, sure was. - Yeah. - Yeah.

- I drove that car into the ground, though. - Yeah. - That might have been similar to what a dead body smells like. (laughing) - To be honest, it's that sickly sweet.

- Oh my gosh, yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah.

- Well, that it's used to always live in when I was like 20 something.

- Yeah. - It's why I feel like we've all been through that. - You know, that's where it was. - Yeah. (upbeat music)

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[music] Just going back to like the crime seed visit. You're going back to something that we're going to see come back. So I'm going to get away from the chicken car. It's all right.

I think you're not really asking. Yeah.

“I think you also left sushi on my shelf once.”

Oh, my goodness. Do we need to have a talk about food safety with you? [laughter] That was so embarrassing. I thought we were like, why am I getting sick?

From this grocery store sushi. I left on the counter for eight hours. I just know. I was eating it. I put it in a bookshelf next.

Right. Because that's where sushi goes. [laughter] So what did Joe just like? What the fuck is this?

No, I didn't know. He was the next day. And he was like, what is this? We found it not neither of us each sushi.

So we were just like, first time.

What? And Joe was like, this is it. Oh, this is angel sushi. Okay, but that weekend was the weekend that I helped you when your kid threw up in the car.

So I got you when you said you did. Did the cup hands? No, no, no, no, no, no. I was going to go ram a-- Yeah, bar for a rabble babe.

It could spook. Yeah. But like, I was just doing-- I was just doing all my nasty mess. It was like, when we started the show and I would say I'm trash.

Yeah, I can't even turn my body trash without asking. You sure you can. I'm sure you can. That's how you love me. Oh, but again, back to the nasty ascar.

Marino's for it. Yeah. And back to the crime scenes. I liked it.

“They were going into the psychology because I think the behavioral science unit”

was only established in like 85. That makes sense. That makes sense. Really not that far off. Because it's like brand new and like silence of the limbs.

Yeah, it's a brand new. So that when she was writing this, it had probably only been around for a couple of years. And she was probably like hell, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It was special then. And then the way she was talking about the DNA to-- Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Did a lot of it go over my head? Absolutely. Oh, it's like, damn. Those were what I meant for my son.

See, we're fascinating. Yeah. But it also was just like crazy to think that. And we've covered cases before where people are like DNA. What the fuck is that?

But it was like, you know what? What does that do? What does that do? Good idea. But it's crazy to think that.

Yeah. That's just how we solve shit now. But back in the day, you couldn't even really explain that to people. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like in screen. I knew you were going to say that. Every time I think it-- The original thing.

When that cell phone drops, I remember watching it and being like-- He has a fucking cell phone. Like they like use me. Only killers have cell phone. But it's like what the fuck?

And it's like a giant brick that falls out of his eyes. It's like-- That's what-- That is like the heyday of horror movies. Because it's like when a cell phone was like the smoking gun.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. One person has a cell phone in this whole movie. Yeah. It's got to be him.

Yeah. My husband doesn't do horror movies. But well, now he does. And I intro'd him with screen. Because I was like, that's how--

That's how you get introduced.

And that was one of the first--

Like, gnarly movies that I watched. Yep. And I think it was 10. And my brother-- Yeah.

I think I was 10, too. I think I was the love. Yeah. My brother made me watch it. And then scared me for the next month when ever he possibly could.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. - Yeah, my husband was not a big horror head before he met me.

- That's not a molest. - No, I started him with the strangers, which might have to-- - You have evil. - I, that's who. - It's like one of my favorite horror movies ever.

- Same, what I was like. - Absolutely, same.

“- You have to watch this, and to this day,”

if I go, it's Tamara. (laughing) - Tyrapizer. - The scene where she's homelun in the vinyl starts playing. - Yes, homelun.

- Is one of the creepiest. - And it's Mama Tried. - Oh, yes. - Well, I also heard that the director didn't tell her

so she was actually like, said she was terrified.

- Three terrifying. - Yeah.

“- I was watching the Rachel's "O Project,"”

the other day in "Live Tyler" was being styled, and I was like, "Oh my God, she lived!" (laughing) She made it to the floor. - But I was like, "Oh, that's a way to--

- Oh, she's lived Tyler. - Yeah. - She's living. That movie is iconic. - It's one of my favorite movies.

- Yeah. - My favorite. - Well, silence of the limbs is my favorite. - Me too. - That's my comfort movie.

- Like, I put it on when I can't sleep. - Well, literally put it on just to like, feel good. - That's how I feel. - It doesn't scream.

- It doesn't scream. (laughing) - I tell people that they like, step back. - Like, it's weird. - It's weird.

- That's wrong. - We will have that movie as them staring straight into the camera. - I know. - Yeah, I don't like, I love this.

- Yeah. - I feel hot. - I feel hot. - You're talking to me. - It's so good.

- It's so good. - It is so good. - It's been coming up in conversation so much lately, randomly, I feel like I'm being like,

“it's hard to let it go. - It's true, yeah, I think we were in New York at the same time as Jodie Foster last time.”

- We were, she was on the today's show. - And I wanted to find her and I thought, like, I thought we would be like beckons with each other and just like pop-out each other. - Like pop-out each other.

- And we did it. - I know. - It was so sad. - It was maybe like something was retrograde. - Yeah, something was wrong.

- Yeah. - 'Cause normally me in Jodie would. - Yeah, we in your beckons for sure. - I respect that. - It was in a good trip.

- It's true. We almost named Blanche Clarice. The John would let me. - He was like, no, no. - No. - I can't wait for the doctor. - You could've said hello, Clarice.

- Every time she walked into a room, I was gonna say hello, Clarice. And the other one is Sydney, and you could say hello. - And I do do that a lot. - Wow, that's actually such a big amount of talk.

- Right? - Right? - This is not particularly, I'm gonna fistfighter when I go, I'm gonna get a name on it. - No, I'm gonna get a name on it. - I'm gonna get a name on it. (laughing) - Oh, but I love it.

- Ryan's car was named Clarice, but he hadn't seen the movie. And I was like, "What? - He just named your Ford Focus, Clarice. - Yeah, he just has nowhere. - I love it. - It's our Clarice Starlight.

- Mine's Vivian. - Oh, I love that. - That's just kind of a baddie. - Mine's big-enched the sequel. (laughing)

(laughing) - I had a big-enched me, and then I wasn't ready to give it up yet. So I was like, "My next car is big-enched, too." Is it a big car? - No.

(laughing) - No, I just love big-enched. - I mean, she has a legend. - Partially.

- And then you can get a third one and big-enched the remage.

- Yeah. (laughing) - That's the right fact. - Yep. - That's right. - But again, five, ever.

- Our big car is named Daisy Beauty Kidner. - That's cute. - I like that a lot. - Yeah. - My first car was Stacey, because then I was Stacey's mom,

and I got it going on. - She's not. - I love your brains so much. - She's so much. - She's so much.

- Her brain is pretty crazy. - So much. - So much, both of your brains are insane, and I love them so much. - She's an unique space for them.

- So as yours, yours is a lot scarier. (laughing) - But it's just like, "Ah!" and yours is like, "Draw!" (laughing) You know?

- I do. - That actually, yeah, that was perfect. - It's totally damn bad. I like to. - All right, I feel like we got through

most of the book Discussion. - I mean, I feel like we could talk about it forever, but I think we got the big. - One thing I have to say is that Ash was completely, like, you were like, "Wingo, did it?"

- Oh yeah. - And then I know you came in and you were like, fuck. - Yeah, we didn't go actually to this big one. It tested that cigarette. - I really felt so bad.

- Yeah. - As soon as he put something into it. - Yeah. - What was the beddy? - It was beddy.

- Yeah. - How rock-pilly bed. (laughing) - When he's from all into a pocket, I didn't trust her, I didn't trust wing-ups,

but they're in it. - Again, that's her, like, playing. She's such a good writer, 'cause that's like the game. Like, as soon as you think you are on to someone, it's like boom.

- You'll suspect anyone. - Yeah. - I also love the D, she's surrounded K with a lot of women. Like, a beddy, the surallogist, this Margaret, the computer analyst.

So, like, there's more women running out of it. - Women running out of it. - Yeah. - And I think Abby is like her. I'm pretty sure.

- Yeah, you were saying that the she's running out of it. - She's running out of it. - And I'm trying to get into like primer pool.

“- And I think she has, I don't think she said that that's her,”

but it feels like her. - Yeah, you know. - And I love, and she's like, come on vacation with us. We're not going to be like, are you just going to be lovers?

- It's not like I love you guys. - I love you guys. - Yeah, I love you guys. - He's like, I'm going to bring you four sports rocks in the beginning. (laughing)

- Just like me and Lucy were hitting the beat. (laughing) - Lucy, why do I? - My murder and Lisa Lucy. (laughing)

- She's got some shit in it. She's got a bottle of non-secretor. (laughing) - Sorry, she smells like maple syrup. (laughing)

- Not Lucy catching straight. - Oh, Lucy. - Oh, Lucy. - All right, so, whenever we have a guest on me, like sort of end with what you're out there,

but have would you rather for you and a bonus game? - Ooh, bonus game?

- Yes, so we'll do what you rather first.

- Okay. - Do you want to start the one you're out there and we can just go back and forth? - Yeah, let's go. - All right, start it off, girl.

- All right, would you rather spend a day learning real forensic pathology from K's Carpetta or spend a day inside the FBI behavioral analysis unit

- Ooh.

- I feel like Ben Leslie's hot.

I don't know why.

“I think he kind of is the nose in the show.”

It's easy. - Yeah. - If that influences you. - It does. - It does.

- Like deeply deeply. - I'm pretty sure he's like the hot guy in Devolor's Prado. - Ben. (laughing)

- He's at the period, he got it. - I'm definitely staying with K. Like she's like, yeah. - Hell yeah. - I want to do with K.

- All right. - Me too. - I'm going to the behavioral analysis unit, girl, sealator. I'm hanging out with K.

- Yeah. - Even though, I just want to hang with her. - Yeah. - Really? - Like, let's do an autopsy together.

- Girl. - Yeah, I also miss doing autopsy. - Yeah. - I don't want to do an autopsy, but I do really like, like, forensic science.

- Yeah. - Yeah, stuff I find it super interesting. So, and Ben taught. - Yeah. - When was?

- Yeah. - All right, how about would you rather assist our petal with an autopsy or ride along with Marino for a suspect chase at 3 AM?

- Not on his dirty ass car. No, thank you 3 AM.

“I would be, I would be chicken barf soli.”

- Oh, hello, welcome to the car. - I'm Mark Soli. - Chicken barf soli. - Definitely autopsy.

And I've never done autopsy.

And when I was in, like, a third, I did a whole science report on autopsy. - Really? - Really? You were like destined to be here?

- I know, literally. - You were like, I might, my grandpa was a pathologist also. - Yeah. - You left that out. - I know, sorry.

- What a beer. - That was so cool. - Everyone on my mom's side, which my mom's a PA and like, everyone on that side of the family is all. - Very sciencey and medically.

- Really? - But it's so cool. - Right. - I'm, I'm brought home, that she worked for an eye surgery center and she brought home pig eyes that they'd used to test the laser.

My brother and I got on a pig eye fight. - That's all. - That's all. - The greatest thing I've ever heard. - This is the light.

- The light, the light. - The light, the light. - For bringing her grubby ass children home of styrofoam box of pig eyes because she knew we would have so much fun with that.

- Go, yeah. - That's all. - That's a good one right there. - That's just my name.

“- You know what, she looked at that styrofoam box”

and she's like, "I know this is the other light." - You're a video that you did when you showed your parents your clothes. - Oh, I actually cried. - No, I will cry right now.

I'll just take it. - Your dad's laugh is everything to me. - I have shown everyone in this house that video. - It's so, it's so easy. - I mean, literally that moment made every moment of work.

Like, it was so special. - Yeah, it's so easy. - It's so happy. - That's so her too, like. - Honestly, very late.

- It always says that. - You know what I mean? - You know what I mean. - Oh, it's the, and then when they're reading and they're like, "This is so you."

- Like, I was like, "Oh, they can't you." - I was like, "Oh, that's so bad actually." - You're running, I'm like, "Oh, you believe it right now." (laughing) - Okay, okay, okay, next question.

- Okay, next question. - All right, so would you rather spend one night in the morgue with K? - I think it overnight. - Okay.

- Or one chaotic dinner rush in a Michelin star kitchen. - Oh my gosh, that's a tough one. - Okay, I work in a Michelin star. - I did. - But I do miss that rush a little bit.

And overnight, no morgue sounds spooky. A little too spooky, but it is too spooky. - It is too spooky. - So as long as the chef isn't like a total asshole, then I'm doing the night at the Michelin star.

- The Michelin star rush. - All right, I like that. - Like when you're like cooking that way on a line and like high pace, like frantic energy, but it's like controlled chaos.

It's really fun when it, like, jellies. - And when you listen to the end of it, you're like, "I did that." - Yeah, it's very gratifying. - I know that.

- I must feel really gratifying. I feel like that. - You're like, "Damn, I survived." - Yeah, and I did take out on Irish pubs. So I can relate.

- You know what I mean? Yeah, you're like me saying, "I got it." (laughing) - Been there. - Oh, it's crazy.

(laughing) - I picked the on-top scene again 'cause... 'cause you did it. - 'Cause you don't do it, you don't do it. - Can you like go back and do all the top scenes?

- I don't know. - I feel like, you know what you like to say? - There's like a degree text, the director, I worked under and just be like, "Hi, can I pop in?" - Yeah.

(laughing) - Hey, can I get that on my own? - Oh my God. - From some gloves. Do you guys still have the Home Depot?

- I feel like you guys need a cranium open? - Yeah. - I do remember how to do that. - Let's go ahead. - Wild.

- Yeah. - Been all of a night in the board is crazy 'cause you will, like, get yourself completely psyched out. - Oh, I would believe it. - Like, yeah.

- Walking into the refrigerator, you're like, "Who's gonna sit up?" - Like, someone's gonna do something. - You're just worried about the guy with that, you know,

when you were like, "Wait a second."

- With the, "Oh, I was like, "I can't really say this without ruining it." - So once in a while, if there's air trapped, if you push a certain way or you move the body a certain way, they will release that air and it will sound like,

like a breath coming out. - Come on. - My jaw is on the first. - And it happened once, the entire time I worked at that. And it scared the shit.

- Did you just clean it? - I was like, this one's alive. Like, I was like, "Hey, we got a lot of water." - We got a lot of water. - Yeah, we got a lot of water.

It was like, "We fucked this up, guys." - Yeah. - And then you feel weird performing the autopsy, 'cause you're like, "Are you sure that we're not?" This is, that's what that was.

Like, yeah, it was a lot.

dis, ever-decensitized to seeing bodies like that, or is it probably, probably like what early on? - In the beginning, it was like, "How did you like overcome that?" - In the beginning, it was crazy,

“but I think I like immediately went into like,”

well, you always wanted to get off you, 'cause I always wanted to.

So I think I just went in there and I was so determined to not be that person, that paints your first day in there. - Oh, I got to did somebody thing. - Well, it's happened a lot apparently. I didn't see anybody, but we did have

like a medical students who would come in, and which I was like, "This is not for you." They would have to leave. Like, some of them would leave feeling like I feel sick, or I feel, I don't feel like-

- Well, it's a law. I can't, that, like, sensory overload. - And this is a lot, yeah. - A lot of things. - A lot of signs.

- A lot of sounds. - Yes. - A lot of stuff. - Ooh. - And then first of all, there's a lot of squalching.

- Oh, squalching. - And when I first went in there all of the, like, the first day, they were like, "Okay, come in, they're showing me around." And I'm like, "Okay, cool." And he's like, "This is the stool that I want you to sit on."

If you feel like you're gonna pass out. Don't sit on that stool, sit on this one. I was like, "Okay." And then he was like, "If you're gonna throw up, throw up in that sink, not this sink."

- And I was like, "Poor thing." - People throw up? Like, I was like, "What's going on?" He was like, "Just in case, like, it's happened." and I don't want you to throw up in here because we'll have to clean it. It's over like immediately.

And I was like, "Oh, okay." You said, "No, didn't." But I was like, "I am not gonna throw up and I'm not gonna throw up and I'm not gonna go up to sit down." And he did it. - Nice.

- It's a lot. - It's definitely a lot. - I would throw up and pass out and probably die. - And then they do the autopsy. And you write that in there.

- Yeah, like we got a first one.

- Yeah, we'd be like, "Well, this is easy." - Not transported. - Boom. - Straight on to table. - Yeah.

- Ooh. All right, one more assist K question. So assist K, or wash dishes for 12 hours on a Valentine's day shift. - Okay, I do love washing dishes. - I do too. - I find it. - Compartics soothing.

- Yeah. - But I'm not doing that. I'm graduated from my dressing. - No, no, no, no, no, no. - I'm not doing that.

- I think I'm with you there. - Yeah. - Again, I'm assisting K. - This is my first K-assist. - I'm with K all day.

- I'm like, "Hi K, I'm Ash, I'm all right." - So would you rather be interrogated by detectives for eight hours, or be judged by a panel

“of extremely mean celebrity chefs about your career?”

- That sounds so scary. - Which I think are too very relatable thing. - Yeah, they're very similar. - Yeah. Okay, I grew up in the world of cooking competition.

So we would compete and then you get blasted by judges at the end for everything you did wrong. So I can, I can withstand that one. So I'm going, so I'm going to slab chefs. - I like chefs. - I like chefs.

- You have to. - You have to master. - I would assume so. - Well, and I feel like being interrogated, they could like make you admit to something that you didn't-- - 100% for eight of that.

- Yeah, the mind games. - I would just be like, I did it. I did it. I'm sorry. - Yeah, I mean while you're like fighting back about your dish, you're like, "I put that in there."

I don't know what I would do because the other day I made chicken thighs, and I think I overcooked them. And one of my 10 year old said, "This was a little chewy." And it literally broke my life. - You know, I actually, I don't have children, but I have thought about how hard

they were broken. I would be if my kids said they didn't like something that made them. - Yeah. - And kids will tell you. - Oh, yeah.

- Even if she makes those chicken thighs, they're like, "Mmm, this is great."

- I feel it probably the more amazing you go, they don't like chicken thighs.

- Yeah, yeah. - They're like, "Where are my niggies?" - Yeah. - Yeah. - They were, she was nice about it because it was, I know, she was nice.

- Oh, no. - I don't think that's all. That she was nice. And she was like, "I loved it." - And she was like, "I love it."

- She was like, "You don't really want to read the comments." - She literally gave you a judge answer, and she was like, "It was just like a little chewy, and I was like, "What?" - He was like, "I have a judge." - It was like, "Was it chewy?" And he was like, "No, it's just like chicken thighs."

And I was like, "You didn't, that was no, but you didn't." - You didn't give me that absolutely not. It was not chewy, and I was like, "I fucked it up." - And chicken thighs are super moist. - They are, I know.

- Yeah, I fucked it. - You're really good. - You did. - I did. I realized it.

Okay, but I thought about it for days. - Chicken thighs. - Oh my god. We have a Gordon Ramsay quote. - Oh, we do.

- No. - Okay, oh my god, we're there, actually. - Oh, hey, you let us write into it. - Cheese to buy a cat.

“Would you rather be chased by a killer through a grocery store?”

Or chased by Gordon Ramsay through a kitchen because he burned his risotto. - The risotto! - I was out of ten. - Oh my gosh.

You know, I, despite being a big boy, I'm a pretty fast runner. I think I could get away from the killer. - Okay. - I think I could.

- I've got some strong legs. - That's right in the parking lot. - Right, it'd be instant in the parking lot waiting for me and then some popper it in. - Yeah, I think I can, I do not want to be chased by Gordon Ramsay.

- I don't either. - I don't either. I'll go killer. - Yeah, I'm going killer. - Fair.

- Yeah.

- We know that we're like fuck that. - Yeah.

“- From what I've heard, he's actually so nice.”

- Totally. I haven't had that too. - But he, it's just like he turns it up for a persona. - Yeah, he is on a new show where it's a lot more about like mentoring, I think.

- Yeah, I appreciate that. - Yeah, I like that. - 'Cause I would be wild to have like your, like your thing is like you are. - Yeah. - Yelling asshole.

- Once you make somebody an idiot sandwich, you can go back for the time. - Yeah, imagine that. - But I love it, so it is true. - All right, would you rather solve the case,

but never know the killer's motive,

or know the motive, but never catch them. - Oh my God. - It's a tough one. - This is a really tough one. - I know it is.

- Because without knowing the motive, there's just no closure. - Exactly. - Exactly. - In my opinion, as you guys say.

(laughter) - Allegedly. - Allegedly in my opinion. - But solving a case is solving a case. - Yeah.

- I think solving the case. - You're taken out of the streets. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah.

- I would talk often. - I know, yeah, that's a tricky one. - I want a motive. - Yeah, that's very scary. - We've covered some cases that there was like no reason.

- Those are the spooky ones. - Yeah, they just won't say it. - Yeah. - Like even this one that we just read in post mortals. - Yeah.

- Yeah, you don't really got him. - You don't know why. - I know. - It's like it's always scarier for sure. - Yeah.

- It's crazy. - All right. Back to celebrity shows.

Be Bobby Flee or crack the case with K.

(laughter) - We were so excited about that. - You were very excited about that. - Oh, no. - We actually screamed it out of each other.

(laughter) - Oh my gosh. - It was like a brain most. - I wish we had video. - I know.

- Oh my God.

“- I think I could kick Bobby Flee's butt.”

- Really? - Yeah. - Yeah, totally. - But Bobby Flee did you hear that. - Showdown.

- You're obviously listening. (laughter) - You better do it. - It's going down Bobby. - Wait, I really want to get you on beat.

Bobby Flee now. - Ooh. - I want to get you on beat. - What would you make? - Because I think--

- I don't know how it works. Do I choose? - I think you get to choose. - 'Cause he, I think he's like, I could make anything.

Bobby Flee. - You got to bring him down a peg. - Oh my God. Oh my God. - You can think of it.

- I can think of it.

- Something in the Mexican realm.

I feel like that those are my classes. - It doesn't make much sense. - Everyone listening. Make sure he gets a butt. - Bobby Flee.

- Like a word. - I actually think they've reached out to me. - You're like an action hobby opportunity. - I think he's like, "Bob Flee's so low." - Keep doing it.

(laughter) - I don't know where he's doing it. - Do it anyway. - Well, I thought-- - 'Cause I think you could do it.

- Yeah. - It will be behind you. - I would throw it down. - Fuck yeah. - How do you tell you?

- Bobby's an old man now. (laughter) - Oh, he's sorry. - Bobby's calling. - Oh, Bobby's like, "Now let's go."

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- Yeah or if you put a little hot sauce on the table. - Oh, I love hot sauce on the table. - Oh, hollipenio. So it's like swally pineapple and like sausage. - Oh yeah, I see.

- I'm not gonna order that but also like proud of proud of people who will do that in public.

- Thank you so much. - What about pickles on pizza? - I thought we were so compatible. - I'm not, I, there's something I hate about myself as I'm not a huge pickle, really. - Really, I love pickles.

- I like certain ones but I'm not like. - Across the board pickles. - The only kind of pickles I don't like are the bread and butter kind.

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- I like all pickles I think. I don't reach for the bread and butter ones but I've had to leave it. - I like to take a sandwich before and they can do it. - Yeah. - All right, final question.

This one I think you might explode. Using a chef's knife to cut open a package. What is the appropriate peel sentence? - The eternity in the metal forge making knives for people is your payment. - Yeah, yeah.

- I love diabolical. - It is really exciting.

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- Yeah. - What is your preferred knife? - I mean, it changes based on what I'm doing. And then also if it's just for home or what I'm recommending to people. - What do you think about that?

- I like a good, like for home cooks like a good German steel knife. - Okay. - Yeah, because there's like hold their edge a little bit better than like a Japanese steel which is a little thinner. - Okay, interesting.

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