The Mysterious Disappearance of Zebb Quinn

This is Morbid and man, there's a lot going on in the last couple of days.

“Do you know why? Because it's stupid daylight savings time.”

I fucking hate it. I fucking hate it. Is this a polarizing opinion? I don't think so. So I don't, I don't think it's polarizing to not like it because of the whole, like, you lose, and everything. Yeah. But people love the longer days when you're in sunlight.

Ah, that's polarizing. Not sunlight, just polarizing the shit out of us. I hate it. Yeah, I much prefer darkness. I want a longer night.

Yeah. Give me a longer night. When the sun sets up for, I'm so happy. Well, and I just, I get used to one way and then it flips the other way. And it's pissing me off.

I wasn't such a good, like, routine of getting up super early and getting up way before the kids get up. And now my body doesn't know what time it is, so it keeps waking up later. And then I don't get my time in the morning. I know. It makes up.

It's really bugging me up. I actually weirdly, like, I mean, the opposite. I've been waking up better with daylight savings. Oh, I'm confused when I wake up because I'm, like, is it five 30? Is it six 30? Where am I?

I don't like it. Yeah. I want to abolish it. Yeah, I want to abolish it, too. I also, every time that it happens last couple of years and like, didn't we get rid of this?

I feel like we've been trying to for decades.

I swear courts across the nation have over a million of times.

And we've all said, nah. I think we've all said we don't want this anymore. But then the government was like, I literally don't give a fuck. I thought the government actually carried about this one. But I was going to say you thought the government actually carried this one.

But I was going to say you thought the government actually carried this one. But I was going to say you thought the government actually carried this one. But I was going to say you thought the government actually carried this one. But I was going to say you thought the government actually carried this one. But this one, I thought, nah, they don't care about anything. Yeah, no, they don't.

But here we are dealing with daylight gaming, so I'm still fucking brutal. Fuckin' a.

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Then you were like, they are. But they're not just reminded me of something before we actually get into this. You'll love this. I was watching what you're up in the live the other night. And Andy said to Tom Sandevol.

He's like Tom Sandevol was talking about how he met Kristen and like her baby. This is Vanderpump rules in case you're interested. Yeah. And in case you're interested in what I'm talking about. You're interested in what I'm saying.

And so Andy was like, that must have been so strange. And like, oh my god. That was crazy. And Tom was like, yeah, it was so strange. And then he kind of trailed off.

And Andy was like, yeah, that must have been strange. And then Tom goes, it wasn't strange though. It was just like, what the fuck are you guys talking about? Like you're both. Right.

It was like, yeah, it was so strange. And it must have been strange. But it wasn't even strange. What we've determined is that it was strange. But it wasn't.

It was crazy. So there was that. Yeah. So you know what? They're available, but they're not.

That's just the way today.

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It is to make your fucking lives harder. I've got a whole stack of tip-ins right next to me that I'm signing too. I don't know. I'm not trying to like, to your horn like excessively, but I don't know how you do it. Thank you.

I don't want to do a lot of times. Yeah. I bet. I'm tired and I don't even do much. So I like, I said, did you?

This morning I was like, I got a stop saying I don't feel like it. I say I don't feel like it. I don't feel like it. I don't feel like it. So frequently.

And I'm like, you've never noticed.

I don't know if I have clocked on that. Well, now you won't because I'm not saying it anymore. I'm switching it with. I get to. I get to.

I get to. Okay. I don't feel like going to work. I get to go to work today. Yeah.

I'm gainfully employed. Oh, I feel like it. There's a nice way to bring some goodness in life. I don't feel like driving home tonight. I have a car.

And I get to drive to my home. And I get a home to drive to. A shelter over my head. Oh, I don't feel like taking the dog out.

And I can go walk. I can walk. Yeah. You know, you got to take that. Yeah.

Actually, I really like that. I'm trying. Yeah. First, you feel a little silly. But you know, it's okay.

There needs to be more silly.

“But I have to stop saying I don't feel like it because I'm creating a bad world.”

Yeah. Well, you can just, you make yourself feel like this. Yeah. Exactly. All the time.

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She'll say I get to sign these copies. Because that's essentially what I say. I would like. I will sign a million copies for you guys. That's a cool thing.

If you want to. I'll do it.

I have always wanted to sign copies of a book.

I wrote. And here you go. I also just read something pretty cool that she's working on. I'm really excited. I can't say anything else.

But it's really cool. Hang tight everybody. All right. So let's get into the case today.

“This one Dave found Dave our researcher.”

David. And I hadn't heard of this before, which makes sense because it was like in the 90s. But it carries on into the time when I was alive. Oh, and like, you know, conscious. And you were saying you weren't sure if you would heard of this case.

Yeah. I wonder if when I, I don't know what it's about. I've only seen the title of this. Yeah. So maybe when you're talking about it, it might ring a bell.

I wonder if it will ring your bell. But it's, it's crazy. Like I'm excited to get into this one. And thankfully, I will tell you. It is solved.

But there's still a lot of mystery surrounding the case. It's strange. Interesting. So in the late fall of 1999, 18-year-old Zeb Quinn was in the market for a new car. For two years, he was working at the local Walmart after school.

And on weekends, he was always working.

And he managed to save a solid amount of money. So in January, second, 2000, one of his former co-workers Jason Owens visited Zeb at Walmart and said, hey, I know this guy who selling a car. I think you might like the car. Do you want to check it out?

We can go tonight after you get off work. Yeah. I've been looking for a car. Let's go. So a short time later, they were seen walking out of the sort together. Out in the parking lot, they both got into their respective cars.

And Jason led the way to the home of a person who was selling the car with Zeb close behind him. Now along the way, they stopped at a convenient store and then they got back on the road. But not long after leaving the store's parking lot, Zeb apparently got an urgent message on his pager. Yeah, no crazy. And he started flashing his headlights indicating to Jason like pull over. So Jason said on the side of the road, Zeb ran over and explained he got a message.

And he needed to return not call immediately. So like plan was off. Now, Zeb apparently seemed uncharacteristically panic to about this call. And he asked if he could use Jason's cell phone, but Jason didn't have a cell phone because of 1999. Because it's the '90s. And he was like maybe you can go back to the convenient store to use that phone and apparently Zeb did.

Okay. So about 10 minutes later around 930 at night, Zeb returned to where Jason was waiting on the side of the road. Just chilling. When he pulled up behind the other car, he was actually so frantic that he accidentally rear-ended Jason's car. When he did to a stop. Like something big was going on. Yeah.

He immediately apologized and said he would pay for everything. But he was like, I'm sorry. We have to work out the details later because I actually have to go right now. What the fuck?

“Yeah. So Jason was like, do you still want to go see the car?”

But Zeb said it would have to wait. And he got back in his car and sped off without giving any indication as to who called him and what was so urgent. Wow. And that's hard because you want to be like, what's going on? Like what's happening, but you don't want to like pry. Right. If he's not offering the information.

That's the thing. And I don't think they were like super close. They were just like, like old co-workers. Yeah. So he's not going to be like, what's going on in your personal life?

Exactly. Now that was the last time that anybody saw Zeb quit a lot? Yeah. So a little later that night around 10 p.m. Zeb's mother Denise called her son's pager and left a message hoping and expecting that, you know, he would call our back at any minute.

He was always super, super close with his mom.

Like they were each other's best friend. So when he didn't return her call as quickly as he usually did, she thought it was strange. She was like, okay, maybe he went out to play pool with like somebody after work. Yeah.

I kind of think too much of this right now. So as the evening we're on though, Denise started to get more and more nervous. More time is going by. He's not answering.

And she starts to get seriously worried. She later said he never returned any of his pages. I kept waking up and paging him. I must have paged him four times. Not only was it out of character for him to ignore his mother's phone calls.

It was also really out of character for Zeb to stay out all night, especially without telling his mom or sister where he would be. His sister Brandy said later pretty quickly I was worried. He wasn't a normal teenage boy. He wasn't rebellious.

It was just really out of character. That must have been horrifying. Also, if you look him up, he's as cute as a button. Like, oh, he is. I just looked him up.

He just seems like a sweet heart. Like she had that kind of face that you're just like, oh. Yeah. And I just love her being like, no, like he's not a rebellious teenager.

He give off like teddy bears or she. You know, yeah.

“So the next morning when Zeb still hadn't come home.”

His mother and sister at this point started to panic. It wasn't just worry anymore. Denise called Walmart where the supervisor informed her that Zeb had clocked out a little past nine the night before. And a few of his co-workers saw him leave the store with Jason Owens.

But nobody had seen him since. So Denise made a few more calls to some of Zeb's friends, some more co-workers. But nobody had seen him. That afternoon when she still hadn't heard from her son. She had no choice but to go to the police department.

And she filed a missing person report. So his failure to return his mom's calls and his sister's calls and the fact that he didn't return home that night wasn't just unusual because of how close he was with his mom and how close he was with his sister. But it was also unusual because there were very few other places that he would have gone except for home. Like he usually hung out at home.

He'd always been a stereotypical good kid who was well-liked by teachers and other people in the community.

But unfortunately making friends was never easy for him. He kind of struggled about that. Oh, that breaks my heart. It's really sad. People are so mean. People are so fucking mean.

Just be cool with people, man. Be gentle with people. That's the thing. You don't know what's going on in people's lives. I'm like fucking doing this for the first time.

Like Jesus Christ. It's rough and I've been in a skin suit before this. I don't think that I remember. I think I have. If I have, I don't remember it.

I don't remember doing it for the first time consciously. This time. Yeah, this time in place at the first time. Yeah.

So when he was younger, his mom said he was a lot smaller and clumsier than the other kids's age.

And he also had a learning disorder, which made him really self-conscious. And he was occasionally targeted by assholes at school, police. He struggled to fit in. That said, he did have people that he met through sports and cubscouts. But they were kind of more acquaintances than friends.

Like they didn't hang out on the wreck. He wasn't like those weren't like deepening relationships. Yeah, not where he would like go. He would hang out after work or anything like that. And even at work, like I was just talking about where he was adored by his co-workers.

He was actually closer with a lot of the older women at the store than he was with anyone his own age. Oh my god. He's adorable. No, he does.

“And also you have to think he's being raised by women.”

Yeah, so he's growing up in a house with his sister. His mom was like his primary parent for a long time. His grandmother was also very involved in his life. So like, he's got a strong lad of ladies behind him. So he's that's that's a that's a guy right there.

Right. It's a guy you want around. Exactly. Now, if he did have a best friend at all, it was said to be his sister Brandy. Oh my god.

Which I love. I love this a lot. So in his mid teens, Zebgah involved with the junior reserve officers training core, which is ROTC.

This was the first thing that he had ever expressed any strong interest in as far as his mom could remember.

And once he joined the program, he really started to come out of his shell there. Now, all of that said, Zebgah was the last person anybody would expect to disappear without telling anybody. And no one in his life could think of anywhere that he could have gone or any one he would have run off with. Yeah, they were out of loss. He kept a small circle.

Nobody could think why he would be so upset that he just, you know, took off. Yeah, like that. To know those who knew him best, he was a laidback person. He really didn't get rattled by anything. So the fact that he had been so upset by the page he received on the night.

Yeah, I think what's shocking. And that was as unusual as the disappearance. Yeah. Because you're like, what the fuck was that? Right.

Now, days passed and there was still no word from Zebg. Then on the Sunday after he disappeared, his boss at Walmart Patty King got a really weird call. She said, the person on the other end said, this is Zebgwin. I will not be into work today. And I'm thinking, okay, this is not Zebg.

So Patty had been his boss for the last two years and she knew him fairly well enough to know his voice. Yeah. So she actually, this was really smart of her. She played dumb and she tried to get more information. Asking the caller, what department he worked in and what shift he was supposed to work.

But the other, the person on the other end of the phone said they didn't know and just hung up. Oh, that's Boogie is hell. Spooky. That's really ominous. Now our girl Patty is not done yet.

Thinking fast, Patty dialed star 69. Oh, which was, you remember those days?

“I remember that even from when we were like, right home when we were younger.”

So, and for anybody that doesn't know, that's when you dial star 69, it connects you with the last person who called me. Yeah. So she discovered that the person who had just called pretending to be Zebg had called from Volvo construction. Oh. But the person on the other end explained that there were a lot of phones at that company.

And they didn't know who contacted from that number. But it's like, how many phones are there? I don't know if it's 700. Because you should go check because this person is missing. Not only is this person missing, somebody is literally in person.

Yeah. This person is missing and now somebody is calling out of work for them. Right. Ding, ding, ding. Go look at every fucking phone in that place.

Also, I don't know how all that works. But when you think they would all have slightly different numbers, yeah, you would think.

Unless it's like one dispatch that sends out to other phones.

Oh, that's a good point.

“So like you start 69 and it goes right back to the dispatch.”

To the dispatch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, good call. Well, nonetheless, Patty reported the strange call to the police. And they followed up immediately. And discussions with some of Zeb's co-workers.

Investigators learned that while he himself had no connection to Volvo construction. Some people were called that it was where his former co-worker Jason Owens worked. Oh, aka the last person he was. So detective spoke with Owens who admitted to making the call to Walmart. But he said he had only done so after he got a call from Zeb,

who asked if he could call in sick for him. No. Which, like, if Zeb is calling you, why wouldn't he just call Walmart himself and say, like, I can't come into that. Exactly.

I have no sense.

Why wouldn't you just say to the person, hey, like Zeb is unable to call,

but he wanted me to call in for him. Right. Instead of pretending to be him. Exactly. No.

Yeah. Well, I don't like that. It's fucking weird. Jason told the police he didn't know why Zeb couldn't call in sick for himself. And that other than the call, he hadn't seen or heard from Zeb since he left him on the side of the road

for a few nights earlier after abandoning their plans to go look at the car. No. To us and investigators, Jason Owen's story was highly suspicious. Yeah. Especially because as far as anybody knew, they weren't that close.

I think I said it earlier. They were just co-workers, really. And when police dug into Jason's whereabouts and the days immediately after Zeb's disappearance, they learned from his boss at Volvo that Jason had called in the day after to say he'd be late to work that day, because he'd been in a minor car accident.

Huh. According to Jason, he had been on his way to work that morning and got in a car accident where he got a cracked rib in a minor head injury. Considering that Jason also said that Zeb had rear end to his truck the night he went missing. Investigators were like, yeah, it's highly unlikely that you'd got into two car accidents in a month or two or four hours. Like, you're really that unlucky?

Yeah. Exactly. And in fact, well, Jason did appear to have some minor injuries.

When they checked his truck, there was very minimal damage, which definitely indicated that he probably had been involved in a second car accident.

So what the fuck are you talking about?

“And are you maybe trying to explain away some injuries?”

Because he went to the hospital and had those injuries treated by the way. The day after Zeb went missing. Yeah. Now, Jason Owen's strange behavior and questionable explanation for his involvement in the case obviously made him a person of interest. But the main problem was that investigators couldn't find anything to say he was directly involved and he passed a polygraph.

Which is so, it's so interesting to me that polygraphs aren't admissible in court evidence. But they are still something that we do. And like, I know. I know. Like, dismiss people if they passed one.

It almost feels like, yeah, it feels like it's doing way more harm than good. Yeah. Painting real evidence because it's like, well, they passed a polygraph and it's like, okay. Yeah, like you can. But it's like, if I don't, if I have this piece of actual tangible proof, that somehow putting in someone's head that it could not be tangible.

Right. Exactly. And the other way around, like, if they don't pass it, then it's like they're obviously guilty. Exactly. Maybe not.

“I think just the fact that it's not admissible in court is like, maybe we should take a practice.”

Yeah. I don't know. It doesn't feel like it should be used anymore. Yeah. It seems day now.

Now, even though it was strange and out of character for Zed to have suddenly gone missing, within a few days of that disappearance. About her hit of his disappearance, detective still had yet to find any evidence that an actual crime had occurred. That was the problem. Yeah. So frustrated and feeling like they were headed for a dead end.

They went back to the missing persons report filed by Denise. Going over the names of his friends and potential contacts, they came across Misty Taylor. A girl whose name had actually come up a few times in the investigation, but to whom they hadn't spoken to in any detail. Now, according to Denise Quinn, Misty was one of Zed's newer friends who he had become infatuated with a month or so before he disappeared. They spent hours talking on the phone and it was very clear to Denise and, like, anybody close to Zed, that he had developed feelings for her.

Okay. His sister Brandy said, "I got the feeling that he probably grew to love her." Yeah. Now, a few weeks after a few weeks of getting to know each other, Zed unfortunately learned that. Not only was Misty already in a relationship, but she also had a small child.

Oh wow. Yeah. Upon learning this, his family and friends assumed you know maybe that's going to be the end of the relationship here. But Zed wasn't ready to let it go. They kept talking on the phone regularly, but from that point on, Zed made sure to block his number.

So that Misty's boyfriend Wesley Smith wouldn't know who was calling. Messy. Okay. Yeah. That is Messy. Now listen to this. One evening, the day before Zed disappeared, he forgot to block his number when he called.

And Misty's boyfriend Wesley answered the phone. And when that happens, Zed panicked and hung up.

And he threatened Zed telling him to stay away from Misty and then just hung up.

“Now despite the repeated warnings from those close to him that he was being unrealistic and pursuing this girl, Zed was convinced that things would just work themselves out.”

When you're 18, you think everything's going to work yourself out. You don't think it's going to get bad. And also like this seems like one of the first girls that he was like really interested in and who seemed interested back in him. So it's exciting. Now when detectives questioned Misty Taylor about her relationship with Zed, she had a different take on the friendship entirely.

As far as Misty was concerned, she said her and Zed were just friends.

I never intended for it to be anything more.

Investigators still felt like there was something Misty wasn't telling them though, but they couldn't put their finger on what it was. Now Wesley Smith, her boyfriend, was similarly evasive when he was interviewed about Zed's relationship with Misty. He said that on the night Zed disappeared, he and Misty were at his mom's house watching TV and that alibi was confirmed. So things got even murkier a few days later when investigators got the call logs from Zed's pager. According to the logs, the urgent phone calls ever received the night that he disappeared came from the home of Aida Ustich. I hope I said that correctly.

That was Zed's aunt on his father's side. So Denise Quinn had divorced her husband when Zed and his sister were still very little. And for most of their lives, their father Jerry Quinn's relationship with them was inconsistent at best.

“When Zed turned 16 and he got his driver's license though, he started visiting his dad at his bar more often, which was the built more tavern.”

And they spent hours there, just shooting pool, catching up, kind of bonding. When Zed reconnected with his dad, his mom was concerned about how Jerry's quote "rough country ways" would rub off on her son. She said, "I always saw Zed as a backward geek kind of guy." Oh, no. Jerry, on the other hand, was like, "What somebody would call a man's man?"

He was a hard-drinking, tough-walking, working-class guy.

And he struggled to understand Zed's more sensitive nature. And still, Denise wasn't going to stop her son from getting to know his father though, or his father's side of the family. So Zed started to get to know them, including his aunt, who was the one I paged him. Which was very good of her. I know, Denise sounds like she was a fucking rock star mom.

Is a rock star mom. Now, yet another strange twist, when investigators spoke to Ida, the aunt about the pager records, she denied having made the call. And she said that she was actually at Misty Taylor's house. Apparently, it ended up that Ida was close friends with Misty's mom. And they were actually planning on going into business together.

Oh, wow. As for who placed the call, though, from Ida's house, she said she had no idea. But the evidence was clear. Phone records from her landline showed the outgoing call to Zed's pager. Interesting.

Now, strangely enough, not long after that, the denial of the phone call. She reported to the police that, on that evening, that Zed went missing and, like, her landline allegedly call to him or did call him. She said, well, she was at Misty's mom's house. Somebody broke into her home. Oh, she said nothing was taken.

Only a few picture frames are moved around. But she said it must have been the intruder who placed the call. Did she call the police? No. Okay.

So, I guess, I wonder if she just saw. I wonder if she was like, are these pictures moved or did they not? Yeah. And also, like, I mean, like, I would probably call the police.

“But also, like, you have to think of it as, like, you're sitting there being, like, okay, a couple picture frames are moved.”

Yeah. I mean, I guess anything. If you don't know for sure, I guess, but, like, yeah. I mean, feel free to overreact. Overreact.

It's always better. So, I'm best figure just had a very hard time believing that somebody had broken into her house just to place a phone call and move a few pictures around. That would be weird. I mean, I'd be super worried about that first time. Whatever.

But they didn't have any way of disproving the claim, so they couldn't make any accusations. Later, after the story made its way to the National News Circuit, I'd actually denied reporting an e-break into the police.

She was like, I never told them about what the fuck.

Yeah. When I told you this, also, this is not as weird as it gets everybody. Like, this case is weird. All right. There's already is.

And there's answers, but there's kind of, like, not answers at the same time, which is really unfortunate for anybody close to zeb. So, two weeks into their investigation, Asheville detectives had a number of suspicious people on their hands, obviously. Some were very interesting connections to each other, but they still had no evidence of a crime. And the case was in danger of going cold at this point. Then, in mid-January, they got a break in the case.

When zeb's car was discovered abandoned in a parking lot. And inside, they found some of the strangest evidence that we'll probably ever talk about.

So, on the evening of January 16th, two weeks after zeb went missing, Denise had just got home from a nursing shift at the hospital when her phone rang.

“The person on the other end was calling from the medical records department at the hospital.”

She was a coworker. Or they were a coworker that Denise knew by sight, but, like, didn't really know personally too much. But the woman said she had just arrived for her shift at the hospital. And as she was driving into work, she thought that she saw zeb's car in the parking lot of a nearby shopping plaza. This parking, this shopping plaza was like right near the hospital.

Like, couldn't have missed it. So, Denise jumped in her car and raised to the plaza where she was stunned to find her son's car parked at the edge of the lot. Imagine this, too, as a mother. Well, and that the car was parked like diagonally too, like, we'll get into it. Like, haphazard?

Yeah, yeah, definitely. So, the headlights were on in the windows were cracked, but, like, smart and luckily, before touching anything Denise called the discovery into the investigators, who got there a few minutes later to process everything. Now, to Sergeant Chuck Sams, who arrived at the scene, it seemed that whoever left the car there, like I was just saying, positioned it in a way that would almost certainly be discovered quickly. Yeah, not only were the headlights on, but the way that it was parked was strange.

It was, like, diagonal, like I said.

And the location of the car was as conspicuous as it could have been without genuinely being parked at the middle of the street, like the middle of the road.

And not only did Denise work at this hospital where the car was, like, found right near her daughter did, and her mother did. So, Zab's mom, Zab's sister, and Zab's grandmother all work at this hospital. So, like, clearly they knew that they would all see it. Yeah.

“Now, it turned out, though, that that was just the first of many strange aspects of this particular scene.”

Sams said, "On the back windshield of the car, there were a set of lips drawn in what appeared to be a lipstick type material." And then there was two exclamation marks. There were a number of things that were unusual about it. He said, "One of which was that there was a live puppy inside of the car." What?

So, this car is parked right near where his family works. Basically, diagonal, headlights on windows cracked, puppy inside the car. Also, inside the car was a jacket that didn't belong to Zab. But let's sit with the puppy first. I'm just going to say we can't just go away from the puppy.

Why is there puppy in the car? We never find out. Oh, my God.

We never, unless we're not.

Listeners. We're not. We never find out. Holy shit. Why the fuck is there a puppy in the car?

I have gone down every fucking deep to our cold to try to figure out why the fuck there's a puppy in the car. And I don't know. And the puppy's okay? Puppy's totally fine. Okay.

“So, two everybody's astonishment sitting on the passenger seat of the car.”

Happy as a fucking human. Oh, happy you're the diver. Just wagging her tail and excited to see new people. Was a little black lab. No more than a month or two old.

Oh, my God. I would literally scream. Now desperate for answers in this will break your heart. She later realizes that this is not the case. But desperate for answers Denise, Zeb's mother, interpreted the discovery of the car and the weird clues.

Was our clues as messages from her son? Brandy later told her a reporter. My mom automatically thought that the drawing on the windows means he's sending kisses. And the live puppy means he's alive and well. I mean, that's his mom.

Like, of course you're going to-- That's the right way for space draws. Investigators, on the other hand, believed that the puppy was just left in the car to attract attention, ensuring that it would be found quickly. Yeah. That actually makes a lot of sense.

But like, what? Like, it also just park it weird and it'll be found quickly. Because the windows were cracked too, so they were not-- They wanted that puppy to be far into the parking. Now luckily the dog appeared healthy.

It didn't seem out. She didn't seem agitated at all. So it was unlikely that the puppy had even been in the car very long. But they also found a hotel keycard in the car as well. What the fuck?

In a statement to the press, Captain Ted Lambert cautioned anybody about interpreting the discovery as the car is a positive or negative. He said there's no indication so far a foul play. No indication that he's run away. We're still receiving information and leads daily. And we're following up on that information and we'll continue to do so.

What a way to hedge your bets. Truly? There's no indication of foul play. There's no indication that he left willingly. What does that leave?

Nothing. There's no indication. He said period. There's no indication. That's not a quick press call.

No indication. And no comment. Yeah, fine. Because that's essentially what he just said. It's like, we don't know.

Yeah. No idea. We've got nothing for you. Which is true. What the fuck?

This is bizarre. What do you say? Yeah. Now in the days after the discovery of Zab's car, Officers stand out across Asheville in the surrounding area.

Visiting every hotel in Motel to find the establishment

But after days of searching, they came up with nothing.

What? So they literally can't even figure out where this key card, like what hotel it was to. And without having access to the scanner that created it, there was no way of learning what data was on the card.

Like possibly who had the rumor anything. They all said we have like the potential to do that now. I know. Well, because I almost said I was like in the year 2026, we can't do that.

And then I was like, this isn't 2029. But I was like, do we know?

“I mean, like would you be able to get the data off of a key card?”

I wonder. I think you'd need the scanner that created the card. But I wonder maybe not now. Maybe. Maybe.

But I mean, realistically.

Like the data on the card is like, who has the room? Yeah. So I feel like that would only really be with the hotel database. Well, you would think that. But who knows?

I don't have up with like further reaching databases now. Or maybe even just to get to the hotel. Because they don't even know what hotel. So I see what you're saying. So unfortunately, they came to a similar dead end with their search

to determine where the fuck this sweet little puppy had come from. Oh, after visiting every shelter and breeder in the region, they were still no closer to knowing of the dog's origin. Or what if anything she had to do with the case? Yeah.

Now in a 2012 interview, Sam said,

“it's always been such a great mystery where the dog came from.”

But from the moment that she was discovered in the car, Sam's was taken with this little lab, and he ended up adopting her from the shelter. But she was placed in and he named her Katie. Oh, I love that so much. Katie the pup.

I love that. Yeah, so that at least we have the dog safe. Hell yeah. But where did she come from? That's the thing.

And what does she mean? What does she mean? I don't. You could. There's so many holes.

You can go down. So the discovery is EBS car and the evidence contained within it. We're in exciting development. And the case after nothing for a couple of weeks. But as strange as it all was, it also suggested that something bad could have happened.

Is EBS? Yeah.

“Even Denise, who desperately wanted her son to be alive, started to accept that it was probably”

somebody other than Zab who had left the car in the parking lot. Yeah. Later in 2012, she said, somebody knew that his sister and I worked at the hospital. I mean, we just felt that it was parked there to be found.

Yeah, it absolutely was. After the car was discovered, investigators released a statement to the press urging anybody who had seen that car in the previous two weeks to come forward. Regardless of whether they thought they could help at all, like just if you saw the car tell us. Within a week, a local couple contacted Asheville Police to say,

"Hey, we saw somebody driving that car downtown a few days before it was discovered." They had been following the case in the papers and they had read the description of the car several times over. So when they saw that it seemed to be a matching vehicle, a short time later, they wrote down the plate number. Wow. Wow.

What about us? Good job. Good job, local couple. Good job being observant. Hallelujah.

You saw something and you said something. That's what you do. The plate number turned out to be a close match for Zab's car indicating that the couple had in fact seen the car after Zab won missing. But when they were asked if they could describe who was driving at the time,

they reported it was not a teenage boy who was driving. It was a young woman. Oh, when they sat down with a sketch artist to create a composite sketch of the person they saw driving, the result was an image that looked a lot like Misty Taylor. Oh, which is weird.

What the fuck? Investigators took the sketch and the information to Misty, who strongly and repeatedly denied having driven Zab's car, or to have known anything about the disappearance. And they had no cause to keep her or charge her with any kind of crime, so they had to let her go. Damn, now by the end is going on.

It's wild. So, by the end of January, the case had gone from baffling to outright fucking bizarre. Yeah, like what? What indeed? But investigators were no closer to finding Zab Quinn or learning what happened,

then they were on January 3rd when his mom reported a missing. Oh, no, what happened? They had all these weird things, but nothing was really evidence. Aside from what was found in the car. Now, with the case going cold in the story now fading from the headlines,

because unfortunately awful things continued to happen. It seemed like the mystery of Zab's disappearance was bound to go unsolved.

But in yet another bizarre turn of events, a series of unrelated crimes finally led to new leads

and a familiar suspect emerged. A year passed and there was still no sign of Zab. While the family started to lose hope, investigators kept searching for answers. Investigator Ted Lambert told reporters, "We take each and every lead seriously and run it into the ground."

At times it's frustrating that there isn't closure for Zab and his family. Yeah. A month later, Ashville Police managed to get a warrant to collect hair, saliva, and blood samples from Jason Owens, based on the fact that DNA evidence was found inside both vehicles. Oh, and they wanted to determine whether Zab had been in Jason's car before or after he had disappeared.

But it did seem, though, no matter where the case seemed to lead them, Jason Owens was always there.

Yeah?

“Then in October of 2002, Jason Owens showed up in the news again.”

This time, for reasons unrelated to Zab quit in that whole case. In the early morning hours of October 30th, and Ashville Police Officer was driving on interstate 240, when she spotted a car that was driving somewhat erratically. Suspecting that the driver was probably impaired. The officer attempted to pull the car over, but rather than pull off to the side of the road,

like you're supposed to, the driver who turned out to be Jason Owens attempted to flee. Ah, while driving at high speeds on the interstate, and then on residential roads as well, Owens stuck a fucking hand gun out the driver's side window, and fired four or five shots at their pursuing officer. Well, going down residential roads as well, but luckily none hit their intended charges. The chase finally ended when he struck a mailbox and flipped his car, and he suffered serious injuries.

Yeah, that. Obviously. Owens spent a little over a week in the hospital before he was stable enough to be arrested on nine charges. Holy shit, including a looting arrest assault on a law enforcement officer with a firearm and a myriad of others.

“He eventually was found guilty of the charges, and he only spent two years in prison.”

Are you kidding me?

I'm always just like, what the fuck?

Like he shot five times at an officer. What if that person died? What the fuck? Like, hello? Was he white?

Yes. Okay, period. That sounds about white. It does. So when he was released, he kind of just faded back into private life for like a minute.

But in the years that followed, he became a familiar face to the Ashful Police. Not just because of his link to the zip queen case, but also because of his tendency to get arrested for various petty crimes. I mean, I wouldn't call drunk driving petty, but he got pulled over many more times. And he also was a thief. So years passed, in the case, grew colder and colder and colder.

And in the hope of eliciting some new leads, police release the surveillance camera footage from the convenience store. Where's that stopped just before he went missing? So Captain Tom, our demo, hopefully I said that right, said we have put a lot of hours into this case, and we have no further leads on it. But we will not close this case until we bring it to a conclusion. I hope so.

I know. When the tape failed to get a response from the public investigators released a second tape the next year, where they recreated the circumstances leading up to the disappearance. And that concluded with the discovery of Zub's car in the parking lot. Investigator Darrell Fisher said, "Somebody knows where Zub is. We just need for that person or persons who know what happened to come forward and tell us what they know."

Yeah. We do. But sadly, the video failed to produce any useful clues in the case was shelved as detective shipped to their attention back to active cases. So Zub's case sat on the shelf for another decade. Wow.

As his family and friends had to come to terms that he was most likely no longer alive. Oh, shit.

It was also looking like they might never have answers for all their questions.

That's the worst part. Yeah. For all that time to go by, and you probably wake up every single day with a new question about where your brother is and their son is. And you have, we say it all the time, like your mind fills in the hole. Oh, yeah.

Makes it much worse. But all of a sudden, a seemingly unrelated case, brought Zub's disappearance back to the front pages all over North Carolina, not just in Asheville. On March 15, 2015, Christy Cod's father became worried when he hadn't heard from his daughter and couldn't get a hold of her husband, J.T. either.

“He called Christy's neighbor Cecilia Owens, who he knew how to key to their house, and he said, "Can you just check on Christy?"”

She's five months pregnant. I want to make sure, too, okay. Cecilia said, "As soon as I walked in, I knew something was wrong. Just the look of the place, and she had left the dogs. She would never leave the dogs. Those were her babies." Now concerns that something happened to Christy and to J.T. Cecilia called the police and reported them both missing. Now, three years before Christy and J.T. is disappearance, Christy actually appeared as a contestant on the food network for food network star.

"Oh my God, which mon I used to watch all the time. We used to watch that constantly." Yeah, so I'm sure we saw her, yeah. Now, obviously, that gave her a certain amount of notoriety around this area, and that led to her disappearance gaining maybe more attention than it otherwise might have. A day after the story appeared in papers, police got an anonymous call where it was reported that somebody had been setting fires around the house next to the Cod's home with the fuck. And that they'd left a lot of suspicious debris in a dumpster.

What? Now, when police arrived at the address provided by the caller, do you want to guess who the homeowner was?

Are you kidding me?

“And the suspicious debris left in the dumpster were items known to have belonged to Christy Cod.”

What the fuck?

Among other things, Owens was in possession of Christy's jewelry, the couple's laptop, and a handgun registered to J.T. Cod.

What is going wrong right now? So based on the evidence investigators were able to get an arrest warrant, and Owens was taken into custody and considered the primary suspect in the Cod's disappearance. Now, week after Christy and J.T. Cod were reported missing, Jason Owens now confessed. And he said he stored and destroyed the bodies of the couple at his house. What?

Just simple as that. He said he stored and destroyed them. What the fuck is this dude? He's a lot of things. Investigators got a search warrant for his home, now that he confessed, and they did in fact find human remains inside a large wood stove on the property.

It seemed that he had killed them and dismembered their bodies, and then tried to destroy the remains to hide any evidence. Wow. This man is diabolical. In an interview with his wife, detectives learned that he confessed the murder to her, but was apparently vague about the details. Yeah, no comment.

According to his wife, Jason had agreed to do some work for the Cods, and he was driving... Let me, before I get into this, let me just tell you, this explanation in this quote unquote confession makes no fucking sense. There are many pieces of this puzzle also missing. Jason said that he was doing some work for the family, and he was driving J.T.'s truck when he just struck and killed J.T. with the vehicle. You know, that's so often happens when you're driving, you just strike somebody.

Once J.T. was incapacitated, he said, Jason decided to rob Christy at knife point, and he killed her in the process. So, okay.

“So, is he saying he accidentally hit J.T. or he did it on purpose?”

He just said that he hit him. As he was driving, he hit a motivations none. While I was doing it, I decided why not try to rob this wife. Yeah, apparently. Obviously, he had a plan.

This entire time, and he intentionally hit J.T. and then robbed his wife. But the way he made it sound, and the way his wife said his confession was bizarre. So, Owen's wife, she said, "I don't know much beyond those basic details, and Jason wouldn't say much more." So, the motive for the crime now really still remains mostly a mystery. What?

I think he just wanted to rob them. That's so fucked up. By the way, don't forget, Christy was five months pregnant. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah.

Oh, shit.

“So, a few days after he's confession, to dismembering the bodies and attempting to destroy”

the remains, Jason was indicted on three counts, a first-degree murder.

Good. For the deaths of Christy, J.T. and their unborn people. Oh, I'm glad he got three. Three. Yeah.

Facing the death penalty, he accepted a plea deal in 2017, and was sentenced to a minimum of 60 years in prison. Now, the plea obviously brought the cod case to a close, but for Zeeb's family and the investigators her worked the case over the previous 15 years. It sparked a renewed hope that with his arrest for this latest horrible crime, they actually might finally get some answers to their questions about where Zeeb wants to what had happened to him.

The renewed interest in the case prompted some new leads from the public, including an unnamed relative of Jason Owens, who told investigators that quote, "Before and after January 2000, Owens dug a pit on his Owens' cove road property to burn items." And sometime after January 2000, he poured concrete over the area and said he was going to make a fish pond.

Oh, yeah. Interesting. That's fucking weird, everybody, right? Yep. There's the area, and they found what they described as unknown hard fragments buried underneath

the area that Owens had dug out for the pond, but they have never revealed whether or not those fragments

are related to the Zeeb Quinn case. Guys, come on. I don't know if they can't say for certain what they, I have no idea. Can we get under that pond? Can we do like ground penetrating radar?

Something? Well, I mean, they found fragments. Yeah. So whether and not the fragments had anything to do with Zeeb's disappearance, though, district attorney Todd Williams felt that there was enough evidence to take to a grand jury at this point.

Yeah. In on July 10, 2017, Jason Owens was indicted on one count of first-degree murder in the death of Zeeb Quinn. Six months later, court records filed by his own attorneys, Jason's indicated that in interviews with an investigators, Jason Owens, quote, "set a family member killed Zeeb Quinn"

and dismembered him and burned the remains. Oh, my God. He went on to provide a quote detailed account of Quinn's death, which included that evidence of the murder might be found in the Bent Creek experimental forest. Bent Creek experimental forest?

Like, what's that experimental forest? Wait a minute. That's a thing. It was established in 1927 to study rehabilitation of cut over degraded forests.

I've never heard of an experiment before.

I've never heard of that. I need to go down such a fucking rabbit hole. Please, guys, tell us if you have heard of experiments before. Yeah.

“Because for a second, I was like, did I really remember what it did?”

Did I do something wrong here? It's an experimental forest. And he's saying that evidence of Quinn's of Zeeb Quinn's death could be found there. Yeah.

Evidence of his murder. Interesting. So despite the bomb shell admission, years passed without any involvement in the case. What the fuck? Then in 2022, more details of Jason Owens interview with detectives were made public.

So according to Jason, his uncle Walter better known as Jean Owens, shot and killed Zeb the night that he went missing. And then he dismembered the body and burned the remains. Why? Uncle Jean.

Now by that time, Jean Owens had died. So he wasn't there to refute those claims or offer any kind of counter narrative. And actually, according to Owens' attorneys, the person who called in the anonymous tip about Jason's fish pond,

which literally got him involved in the Zeb Quinn case in the first place.

Yeah.

“Or more involved like brought him back was Jean Owens, who called.”

But Jason's attorney said that that was in an attempt to misdirect detectives. I mean, sure, you're the lawyer. So you're going to say that. But, yeah. Like, I don't know.

Or, and this is just me, like, you know, speculation here is like, it could be that. Yep. Or the other possibility is that he really was calling to report that. Jason knows that.

So now he's like, well, he's dead now. So I'm going to put this on him because he was about to help me. Yeah. That's the widely held that. It feels like that.

That's the widely held. Like, it's more like, okay, well, now it's going to get put on you. Because you can't do anything about it. Exactly. Yeah.

Who knows? And again, that's just me speculating. Yeah, that's pure speculation. You share with many, and I do too. Yeah.

Now, Jason's accusations left everybody familiar with the case. Somewhat conflicted. Like, we're talking. You actually let me write it to me. Oh, yeah.

On one hand, people were eager to finally resolve the case after more than two

decades of mystery and answered questions and bizarre happenings. But on the other hand, it all seemed a little too convenient. Jason had recently been convicted of another crime where the details matched exactly what he was now claiming his uncle had done to Zabquin. Yeah.

Because that's the thing. He's literally sitting there saying, like, oh, my uncle did that to Jason, and I just so happened to also just do that to this couple. Yeah, because it doesn't make any sense. Like, what, how does that make sense?

Because that's, like, a trait you guys share. So a lot of people felt that Jason couldn't be trusted to tell the truth in any situation. Amy Carson, a former friend of neighbors, neighbor said, and a letter me and my husband received, he's basically blaming his uncle. I really have a hard time believing that.

He's blaming someone who's dead, who can't defend himself. Yeah. Which is what you were just saying. Exactly. Jason's story had put the district attorney's office in a pretty tough position.

They lacked the evidence to prosecute Jason for a murder. But at the same time, it also felt like the one chance they could finally get some justice for Zabin. Yeah. So on July 25th, 2022, Jason Owens accepted a plea deal, where he pleaded guilty to being an accessory to murder. And he was given a sentence to 13 to 16 years in addition to the life sentence that he was already serving.

Oh, now, according to the defense, Jason's defense. Gina Owens had, quote, "Dubed his nephew into learning Zab Quinn to the Piscan national forest to meet a woman with whom Quinn was smitten." But we can assume his misty tailor. Yeah. However, when Zab arrived, Misty was nowhere to be seen.

And it was Gina Owens, who had allegedly been hired by Misty's boyfriend to kill Zab, who was there waiting to meet him. Wow. Gene then shot and killed Zab in the listed Jason's help to get rid of the body. That's the defense's argument. That's very hard to follow, I understand.

“So basically, they're saying Jason learned Zab out into the woods because Misty's boyfriend, who Zab was involved with Misty, remember.”

Okay. Misty's boyfriend had hired Gene, Jason's uncle, to kill Zab. Okay. That's simply put. Okay.

The defense went out of their way to insist that this was not a compromise plea, but an accurate reflection of the facts and a sentence that fit the crime committed by Jason. But the assistant district attorney, Jeremy Ingol, on the other hand, remained skeptical that Jason wasn't just the real killer. Yeah. Ingol said, based on the evidence available, the lack of evidence of a motive, cause of death, spoiliation of evidence based on the decade's long pause and critical leads in the case. A conviction of first degree murder at trial, though never a certainty, would present a steep challenge considering all these factors.

Yeah. So in this case, they agreed to the plea rather than let the case continue to go unsolved.

They publicly said, we don't really agree that that's what happened here, like that's not the truth in our opinion, but at least till serve sometime. Yeah, like we can't let him just walk out of here. Correct, exactly. I really like that they went through with it because he was already serving a life sentence, so they definitely didn't have to, especially where they didn't agree with the facts. I didn't think about that.

“But they were like, no, you need to be held responsible in some capacity.”

Just this needs to be served in some, the family doesn't see that at the very least. No, I do like that. You know, so after the judge accepted the plea, friends and family were given the opportunity to speak to share their victim impact statements, which is.

They should always be afforded that.

Yeah. Well, everybody had wonderful things to say about Zab obviously. It was his mother's statement that will hopefully remain with Jason Owens forever. Denise said, and I actually have goosebumps already. She said, I'd grown up learning to trust people and believe in their goodness until they showed you otherwise.

I passed that on to Zab who took it to heart. When I was not really happy with a couple of his friends in high school and told him he would be judged by the company he kept. He looked back at me and said, they have done nothing wrong to me. And I've done nothing wrong around me and I will continue to be their friend. This is the young man that was taken from his family, friends, community and the world.

This is a young man that never would have seen his end coming. This is a young man who trusted his friend Jason. Oh, that's got wrenching. Like truly got wrenching. It really is.

Oh, it's just this was a trusting person and you prayed on that. And he's so much better person than you ever fucking were. That's so sad. Now, Jason Owens is currently serving a sentence of 59 to 74 years to life without parole in North Carolina. Good.

Yeah. It's always confusing when it's like this year to this year to life.

I know it's like to life.

I'm like, what can we call? Wow. What? I don't think we've really come across many cases like that. No.

I don't know even what. I'm so I like there's so many unanswered questions. Yeah. Like the idea of the puppy makes sense for like their theory of like they wanted the car to be found. So I guess a puppy.

But why barking makes sense? The lips. Although why did you want the car to be found? Right.

“Because why just make it disappear if you want to make a disappear.”

Right. Why the lips? The lips. Where's the hotel key card from? Who's jacket is that?

Like what is going on? And you can look it up. You can see the picture of the lip strong. It's bizarre. It's bizarre.

It's big too. Very cool. Very cool. Like the whole window. Like the exclamation points.

Like what does all this mean? I don't know what you just knew that. It's like, does it all mean? Nothing. And you guys.

It's just like to fuck with people. Maybe it's just to like make people go down. All these different roads and like distract from what? It was actually happening. I'm like, did people involve just think that they were like mastermind?

And is that lipstick? And if so, who's lipstick is that? Right. It seemed like lipstick. That looks like lipstick.

Like, I don't know. This is just weird. It's so, and where did the dog come from? That's the thing. Where did the dog come from?

Like, did you just travel to another fucking, like, where did that? He card come from? Right. That it didn't match anywhere? Right.

It's all very bizarre. So weird. It's sad. It's really, really sad. And the fact that they don't know where stuff is.

Exactly. Like, I want them to have stuff. I know. And they absolutely should. And like, where is he?

I don't tell someone. I, I wonder. And again, this is speculation where Jason apparently had a whole thing for burning people's remains. Yeah.

“Maybe that's what the hard fragments are.”

That's not very underneath that fish. I want to know what's under that fish. But what didn't you at least say, like, I don't know what happens here. But it's like, when you say, hard fragments that we believe to be human, that's at least like, isn't there?

Because it doesn't say human. It just has hard fragments. Is there a way to try to get some kind of warrant to like, drain that pond and be able to crack through the bottom and like see what's under there? I don't even know if he even, even built the fish pond.

He was just planning to. I don't even know if the fish pond ever came to fruition. Okay. But that's why they were able to kind of like figure out that they were. They were like, did you dig up hard fragments or did you use ground?

Yeah. You dig right out and see something. And also, why are we not figuring out what that is? Like, are they just, but, and that's the thing. Like, we've covered cases before where charred remains are found.

Yeah.

And they're never, I mean, I don't want to say never.

But like, they're very, really too charred to determine if they're animal at least or human. That's a thing. You know, I just really curious about that part. Yeah.

Yeah. It's very strange. Yeah. Very, very strange. I feel so bad for his family.

I do too because obviously they loved each other a lot. They did. And it's like, even though there was a conviction that they're still like we're just sitting

So many questions. Or so many questions.

Because answers not given exactly.

Oh. Yeah. To strange one. It is. But I need to look up a fun fact.

Yeah. Got us a fun fact. And please look up. I'm Quinn, because I'm in one adorable.

“I know, I'm telling you like teddy bear energy.”

Yeah. This is fun. Tell me. I don't know. So it's kind of horrifying.

Oh. There's a statue of Jason Voorhees. Chained on the bottom of a Minnesota lake. Oh, I did. I knew that, actually.

Did you? Yeah. It's not really fun. That's really fun. That's horrifying.

That's such a fun fact.

Imagine you're just like, I would never be.

I would never be. I would never be swimming in the lake. So I don't have to worry about it. But I would watch you bump into it. Yeah.

I would swim in the lake. Yeah. I love sitting by a lake. You do. You're doing it.

I mean, there's never been content in the lake. She's right. I know. She was such an earth sign. You're not in the water.

I'm on the ground. You're crazy. I'll look at water, though. Yeah. Water.

So I love to look at it. I would not like to look at water where Jason Voorhees is. Yeah. What Minnesota lake is he in?

“I think also like whoever did that, just like did it for the joke of it all.”

Just did it for the roles. I saw that recently. Yeah.

It's so funny because for a second, when you said Jason Voorhees,

I was like, Jason Voorhees. Is that a political figure? And then I was like, Oh, no, Jason Voorhees. Oh, okay. So.

So we've heard that the bottom of Louise mine pit, often referred to as crystal lake. Ah. Oh. Oh.

There it is. It happened in 2013. By diver Doug Klein. It's a surprise. 120 foot deep.

Damn. Damn. That's really, really scary. Oh, and this picture is of it on water. Yeah.

Do you see that? It's very realistic.

“Guys, look that up and it will ruin your life.”

He's literally looking up. Talk about sharp week. He's looking up. That is sharp week right there. Oh my god.

Imagine you're just diving and you have no idea. And then you just, I could give somebody a heart attack. I have to say that is literally genius. But one of the most horrifying things I have ever seen in my life.

I'd cry. I don't like things submerged in water. That really. I don't either. That's a specific fear.

Yeah. It takes me to a place. And a place of panic submerged in water. Fabia is called. Oh, that's hard.

Submeca nephobia. Yeah. You have that. You're also afraid of really big things. Yeah.

Especially big things that are submerged in water. Oh, man. Yeah. I wonder if that's another one. Yeah.

We got to end it somewhere. Yeah. A lot of things give me anxiety. Yeah. That's creepy.

That's for enough. The world doesn't say anything. That's insane. All right. Well, we hope that you keep listening.

And we hope you keep it weird. Maybe keep it so weird that you submerge like a horror figure in a random lake somewhere. Yeah. Because that is fun. There's a little bit of fun.

And I won't have to see it. Just make sure it's like environmentally friendly. Yeah. I think that one is. So who's that school?

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