The Perron Family Haunting

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You guys No, I am. Did you not see Mikey? That sounded like a weird like 900 number beginning to like like some kind of weird like Kind of like seconds. You were like hello. I'm covered in soy sauce Is there sexy way to say that? I am a big boy. There's something for everyone. I'm not here to king shame

I'm me there. That's your king. That's me. I got yourself some soy sauce. Yeah, we got Chinese food today And I opened my like packet a little bit and I was like a wet vine because I was nervous I was like oh, I don't want to open it too much because it'll get all over my shirt. Oh, and now there's just a little like sprays of soil

Yeah, you just soy sauce. I do love soy sauce, but this is a brand new seven up shirt

She is wearing a teacher a seven up a cherry a seven up and it's cut on the back to it's got a whole thing going Yeah, that's a little about me, but now it's got soy sauce on it. You know like the rest of my clothes. Yeah Deb Deb also got a squishy butter like stress thing. We're very into like what are the are these called like fidget toys Yeah, I just considered that I feel like we're very into these lately. They're nice. Especially when we're recording if they don't make sound Yeah, because I had a dumpling that did make it sound like I was shitting myself and

Alina would look over at me and be like Like it's not me it's the dumpling. I'm not shitting myself in the top of that

“I had and she couldn't do it while we're recording because you guys want to hurt it. I think I probably did a couple times Mikey either edited them out or did me dirty”

I did a couple times like squeeze my dumpling and it sounded like it farted

That's not a euphemism I'm just gonna say what the fuck is going on right now What is that? No, it's a litter of dumpling, you guys got damn all right. We're gonna talk about a haunting today I have shit to say other than that. Oh, yeah, I do I do so I

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Right now on primaries. You can do it. I'm gonna post it on my socials. We got it in this show notes You can read a little excerpt. I believe it's chapter four. Mm, pretty sure not the whole chapter But it's an excerpt say that again x or excerpt and um and yeah, you get to read some of the books So you can see if it if it tickles your fancy I bet it will so go go do that because it's fun Yeah, fuck yeah, that's really cool. That's like a huge deal and then if you are on the fence somehow somehow about

pre-ordering the butcher legacy After you read it you're gonna be like, um, I'll take 10. You're gonna be like I got a hop-off in this fence and I'll turn the other side where the grass is green there Yeah, we're the cleanest book is a plenty. What do we do on the fence? Yeah, let me jump into the the pit of the butcher? Like you'll say what a loser. I was hang out on that fence. You will and you know what I'll forgive you because we listen and we don't judge Yeah, so period go read that excerpt

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I was gonna say episode episode we won't they will be an episode in fact. Yeah, um, we have come up with some really good merch ideas Yeah, I'm really excited about so and you can only get them there. Yeah, so we're there and one night only better Gonna take it's only go to ticket master have some fun segments planned Shit's gonna get book. It is all right. Whatever that whatever book is it's gonna get there You know, I'm not sorry that I wanted to play at my wedding, but everybody was like you can't play this on your wedding

Yeah, which I didn't understand. Yeah, everybody that everybody's been mean. I supported you. They got book it I wanted to drop it to the ground. Let's see. I got man is too much. Beautiful. That's a wedding song I was like oh, fuck up my wedding. I mean, I did anyway, but I'm in love with that there was an hour if I wedding that didn't in fact get so buck that the children needed to be removed Like kids went home parents were like we should get them out of here

And those parents include the child. Yes. I was like bye. I was like, bye. I love you

“That's what I got to get them out. Go. Go. Go. I miss my wedding. I want to do it again. Oh, but I must find too. Yeah, but I want to do it again”

But I wouldn't yeah, I don't want to like plan that's the thing. Yeah planning of it all. Yeah. I don't want to plan a wedding again No, but I want to have one again period You know what song I I promise we're gonna get in the case, but yeah, just tell people when it starts it might be nice Yeah, I was going to say someone's timing

I was listening to you know how to spotify will give you like this band's radio Yeah, yeah, like a playlist. Yeah. I had a something corporate like radio which let me tell you Brought the use was on there. Oh my god. Yeah. Oh, it was great. It was total throwback and then it had Which I was like, I don't know if this one fits but like all they kind of does it had fun on there Which makes sense because oh, yeah, yeah, yeah from the format format was on it as well and that was very of that era

But there's a song called some nights is that the one where it's like some that's a Standard number. Yeah, you're gonna stay to my Yeah, it's not my cause but this song we we are young Is the last song that played at my wedding whenever I was like clearing out. Oh, yeah, and Like immediately brought me back to the like but I was like, oh, that just like brought me right back

That's really good ending song. I didn't pick mine and I should have I forget what it ended with But I remember being like I ate this song. No, no, that's not great

“It was still thought I'd answer it. Yeah, but I was like who the hell played this now?”

We had a good one and everybody saying it hell. Yeah, you also because we were young We're in fact I feel like I was so much younger and my mother's only two years ago Anyways, we should get to the story. Yeah, we'll give to the story. All right down the number. I was just gonna say it's the time Leave it in I should also mention that I have a cold so if my energy feels weird

I don't know what Mikey will do his best to make this not I will leave Shit, yeah, I'm leaving this box. Yeah, I'm leaving this so bad. I'll leave some of it. All right, so we are gonna be talking about the Paran family haunting today which apparently apparently was the inspiration for the conjuring movie. Oh, link the first one at least Dang yeah, now weirdly enough from conjuring to this the story of the Paran haunting begins with a simple Catholic wedding. Oh Yeah, all right, let's start there. Let's start at the wedding Roger and Carolyn Paran got married in

1957 like a lot of people in New England Roger grew up in a developing Catholic household We all know what that's like around there don't that and mine wasn't about mine was not about I knew I knew a lot of

Catholic bitties. Yeah, yeah, we got lots of Catholic bitties around here. They're always running around

I don't know what they say anyway. I was like they're always running around saying like they're just always running around You know what they're always running around saying they're always running around saying and also with you. Yes, it's true

“They're always saying Jesus Mary and Joseph and all my saints and sisters. That's what my dad says”

Remember now Carolyn grew up somewhat Christian, but she and her family Really weren't like deeply steeped in religion by any means and as she got older she was really less interested in organized religion But at the same time she knew it was important to her husband and even more important to his mother So she embraced Catholicism to keep the peace between herself and her new mother-in-law She said sure. I'll have a Catholic wedding. Oh, now they wasted no time starting a family and with any year

Carolyn was pregnant with their first child Andrea

Not long after Andrea was born Carolyn was pregnant again and it was obvious that if their family was going to continue to grow like this They were going to need a bigger house So they moved to willabantic Connecticut which is a small city in the southeastern part of the state Over the next few years they continued to grow and grow as a family Starting with Nancy who was followed by Christine and then Cynthia and then finally April whoa so five gals

Five gals. Oh the dream. I hope I have five gals. I have three gals. I know and five sounds like a lot You have five girls because you have the pups. That's true No, yeah, exactly And her memoirs their oldest daughter Andrea describes her mother as approaching each of her daughters with quote a usual thoughtful and kind consideration of each child. I love that. Yeah. Wow. What a parenting win right

That's the thing they were all very close and age and they you know obviously had a lot in common But Carolyn did her best to try to recognize their individuality and she praised her efforts She minimally criticized them like she was a good mama Now they're dad on the other hand. He was less encouraging and he wasn't that emotionally available

“He also worked as a long call trucker so there were just periods where he wasn't home. Yeah, so I think that was”

Kind of just like by design. Yeah, not like he designed it to not be home

But just like he wasn't always available because he was literally a cause he was literally in a truck across the

Yes, thank you. Oh, they're Joe Nickel. We will link his book in the show notes wrote It was a fact that harmed his marriage and kept him largely a stranger to his children Oh, she's very sad. That is sad. I know now Andrew is a lot less negative though and framing her father But her description of him At least in their younger years was a lot less warm than her memories of her mother

She wrote his acknowledgments were always more subdued and understated

So obviously they're mom with home more so they were a bit closer with her yeah, of course But their father out of the house more often than not and their mom responsible for five young kids

The girls kind of turned to each other at obviously first as playmates, but then as they grew up

They kind of became caregivers for one another like the older girls helped with the younger girls and so on and so forth This dynamic seemed to suit Carolyn more than the typical parent child relationship Andrea said that she was less a caretaker and more a playmate. She took great pleasure in their company It's just like six besties. Yeah, how yeah now the big family and the need for some extra help Roger and Carolyn ended up moving back to Rhode Island in 1964 and they settled in a small capestile house in

Cumberland where the schools were good and they both had family nearby if they needed to sit or yada

“The parent kids remember their early life there fondly they said it was an idyllic experience”

But by 1970 their idyllic life started to feel like it was falling apart all around them So by 1970 their idyllic life started to kind of feel like it was falling apart all around them

The first signal that things were changing for the family came in the form of a tragedy just days after

Summer vacation started in 1970 a few months earlier Roger and Carolyn had bought a puppy That Carolyn inexplicably named Bathsheba. I love that a lot. Yeah, she said that she just pulled that name from the ether I guess okay, no reason, but yeah, you just look at the dog and you're like Bathsheba. It's interesting because Bathsheba I looked a little bit into like Her origins and she had five kids. Oh, she's in a Carolyn so I was like weird

There's also another part that you're like really like interesting when things align So one afternoon Andrea begged her mom to let her take Bathsheba for a while and Carolyn was like go for it Whether sisters by her side Andrea held on tight to the leash and Bathsheba walk her beading and lay beside her for a while Sugar warning. We're gonna talk about animal death

The girls have been walking for a bit when a car full of teenagers came racing up over a hill with no warning And Andrea remembered they must have been cheerleaders because they were quote shouting out something in Unison while shaking brightly colored tassels from their open windows. Well stop speeding and get your fucking head in the window Get it together period truly to to survive Get it together. Thank you Bathsheba ended up running into the street after the car like probably trying to protect the girls

“Yeah, or seeing like the brightly colored yeah, I think he was like a toy like a treat or something”

Now luckily she made it to the other side of the street safely But in a panic Andrea called out for her to come back immediately and didn't check to see if there was any cars coming

And Bathsheba did as she was told and was tragically struck by an elderly couple who never saw her walking into the street

Oh, that makes my heart hurt. It's a poor elderly people too and all five girls Just watching their puppy That'll fuck you up. Yeah big time. That's rough. That's the thing Well, and the thing the other thing was Carolyn and Roger bought brought the dog home and they were like obviously This is a pet for the whole family, but there was a bond between Andrea and Bathsheba like a immediately like they really

vibe to get me said and now her constant companion was ripped away in what felt like impossible circumstances Yeah, you know those feelings when you're just like oh my god. I just want to rewind time. Yeah, so badly

“Even worse she couldn't help but feel responsible if she hadn't told Bathsheba to come back across the street”

She felt she probably wouldn't have been struck by the car So obviously this is a devastating incident and all five of the girls were at the scene when she was hit So they ran home immediately and they explained to their mom what had happened and Carolyn was just as devastated Also, it wasn't just the loss of a pet for her but she was heartbroken for her children Yeah, and worried that they had seen something so traumatizing. Oh, yeah, and

There was also this weird underlying feeling that Bathsheba's death signals something about the subtle changes in their community Things were shifting that summer. Hmm if that car load of teenagers that actually been following the law Not yelling and hanging out of their fucking windows. Maybe that entire scene wouldn't have happened. Yeah, so in the weeks that followed Everyone in the family dealt with their grief in their own ways, but Andrea seemed to struggle more than the other kids She was racked with an intense sense of guilt and she was usually like a very chatty outgoing girl

But this just made her kind of like pull into herself The shift in her personality was really concerning for Carolyn but at the same time there were other things going on that were kind of occupying most of her attention She couldn't pinpoint exactly when things started to change But that summer aumberland Rhode Island was actually experiencing Kind of a juvenile crime wave

Wow, which is wild for hell. Yeah, boys around the neighborhood who were like once friendly awkward little kids Had started to feel kind of menacing and dangerous you and according to Andrea a list of minor and major infractions Included a number of petty thefts

And things took a very serious turn when again according to Andrea

“There was a quote attempted sexual assault on a young girl who had been gagged and bound to playground equipment at their”

Elementaries what the fuck yeah, so shit was getting fucking gnarly. I say it again get it together Get it together what the fuck between

1970 and 1974 violent crime in Rhode Island and Comberland Rhode Island increased more than 60 percent

So like this wasn't just a feeling that's something weird was happening. It was that ship Shit was going on and the city was becoming more dangerous So by the time the summer had come to an end the traumatic events of the season which were capped off by the death of the family's cat and a break in at their house Oh my god, it had all been way more than to Carolyn could tell. Yeah, that's a lot When they had moved back to Rhode Island six years earlier

It was to put down roots to raise their family in the safe quiet community with family nearby But now this community did not feel safe and the home in town had multiple tragic memories that Carolyn wanted to shield her kids from yeah To make matters worse with Roger out on the road more often than not the growing stress and anxiety of all of this fell solely on Carolyn to manage so she was just really going through it

So finally when Roger got back from a job that fall she sat him down at the kitchen table and she basically said it no uncertain terms

She was straight up not having a good time in Comberland Rhode Island. I am not having a good time straight up Not having a good time not killing it. She said it's not for us out here in the street No, and I would like to sell this house and move into the country the police is harshing my mellow It's harshing the vibe. I need to get out. So the vibes are Rancid so harsh. There's this new thing that the kids are saying oh no. It's like or a mugging or something like that just

What yeah, I don't know how do you mug someone's or I don't even know if it's or a mugging. It's or a something I got to look this up really quick. What are the gently? saying about Oras

“What are the jigsies have to say about oras or a farming? That's what it is or a farming or a farming is the act of”

Consciously and sometimes desperately trying to boost one's cool image It is frequently used in a derogatory way to describe somebody as trying too hard often seen as cringe You know what's trying too hard saying or coming up with a term called or a farming wait You know what I am kind of obsessed like to stop the stop caring Whatever you know what I'm obsessed with that what or a maxing or I mean I need all the maxing to stop

You guys are all talking about fiber maxing. We are fine. I'm hearing idiots on the internet talking about looks maxing I'm hearing what ever the fucking or a maxing or a maxing is like apparently all these is not like a glow up I but it's like extreme I think like crazy Or a maxing. I think everyone just needs to chill the fuck out What about chill out max and relax and all cool shooting some beballets? Oh, that's not good. Yeah, that is cool. All right. That's what I mean

Yeah, I was just gonna say that cumberland Rhode Island was not or not this time So it was not over me. Okay, there's any jensies listening let me translate that for you. Yeah, there was yeah, it was not or a maxing

So when Carolyn first made her case to Roger he was like, I don't really know before in the financial position to do that

This feels very impulsive and he was like I also don't think a few bad experiences or sufficient enough reason to leave Is with your crying race though? I was like the home invasion is the crime Is the crime of it all upsetting to you Roger that would bum me out So by the time they reached by the time they got to bed that night they reached an impasse

There was no immediate solution and as far as Roger was concerned He said there was no point on dwelling what they couldn't change Oh, it's like we you could you can change your surroundings change whatever you want to change your hair And you can change your clothes and you can change your mind and that's the way it goes And after that's Hillary no, that's

Is that that's not Hillary that's Hannah? No, that's Hillary that's Hillary yeah you can change your mind. No, no, no, I was saying you can change your hair And you can change your clothes you can change your mind and that's the way so what is Hillary? She says you can change your mind if you want it you can act real tough But if you don't trust you on this one because I know I'm right. Yeah, I know you're right here And the Hannah Montana resurgence like put that into my head. See, and I think I'm I'm for the Hilary Duff resurgence

Yeah, I had that on the brain. She's not resurgent at this very moment

“Hannah Montana is resurgent at this very moment. I think Hillary's on fucking tour. Is she out?”

Yeah, she's resurgent. I would go to that. Yes, she's resurgent. We can't bring John way because one time they made eye contact Yeah, he claimed that one time at a concert when he was younger Yes, he went to a Hilary Duff concert. He took his knees, right? No, he dated a girl. Oh, he dated a girl. That's That I'm going to Hillary Duff concert. You know you are just kidding. No, you should have done that. I'm just kidding

Real girl shit, yeah, but I'm totally kidding. It's a joke, but he went to We're like, this is a joke. Please know that. Yeah, she made him go to a Hilary Duff concert and he said he claims to this day I believe it. I can't so Hillary if you're listening back off. I understand him because I made

eye contact with Harry Styles on a Harry Styles concert and he definitely sang to me for a solid second

“I know it. I'm the only one who's not had this. Here's the thing too. I have photographic evidence of Harry Styles looking at me”

He's right. That's actually true and it's you when John won it. It was a time before the camera, so yeah, so But you know what I will be if as somebody who's made made eye contact with a Handsome fella slash beautiful lady. Yeah, you know, you know, you know I have to know that experience. I need to add that to my repertoire. I bet Tobias has made eye contact with you But you just can't see because I just can't see. I'm gonna go into that. I got you hold on to that

I love these episodes because they got so loosey. They do. I love these. It's my thing [Music]

So Roger said hell knock, Carolyn. We can't afford that and who cares? Yeah.

Carol's so Carolyn started keeping her anxieties to herself and she didn't bring up moving again and a few days later Roger was back on the road. Oh no. According to Andrea, her father's latest trip quote kept him away just long enough for the universe to intervene on their behalf. Oh boy, check fucking love. So while waiting for one of her daughter's music lessons to end, Carolyn was just flicking through a copy of the wind socket call and you know, it's mowing along, it's mowing along,

looking through the real estate section. She came across a listing for a nine-room colonial farmhouse in Harrisville on 200 acres of land for $75,000. I'll give it to me. Which I'll give it to me. That would be $600,000. Damn. Or is it $6,000? I'll be back.

“See, I was like $600,000, like it would take. Which honestly for 200 acres of land, I'd say yeah,”

I'd do that if I could. That's sick. So for the rest of the afternoon, Carolyn just couldn't help but think that that was the perfect opportunity and the fact that she had come across and in the paper was a sign that it was the house for them. Hell yeah. Despite Roger having him fathically told her that they literally did not have the money to move, that night Carolyn said 1-800 listing agent and she scheduled a show for the following day. I love that. I love it. I wanted Carolyn. Go get it.

Period. Yeah. I want to see it. It's the conjuring house. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I thought you were saying to me, I want to see the house. So I was like, it's the conjuring house. Thank you. Thank you for that. You said you wanted to see you can. You can't see the conjuring house. No, I would just be like, I want to see it. Yeah. Show it to me. Yeah. Show me to me Rachel. There it is. That was waiting for me. I know you work. So Carolyn met the realtor the following morning and they drove out to Harrisville together.

Along the way, she gazed, longingly out the window. It was to her, a quaint,

idyllic, beautiful town, perfect to raise her daughters in. Oh, it's going to be amazing.

Yeah. It was exactly what she wanted for her family. Yeah. I don't think anything about it's going to happen. No, it's not. It's just a nice story. It's gorgeous. She's just like gazing out the window. Like she's in a music video. Yeah. Do you remember when it would rain and you were sitting in the back seat and you just feel like I'm in a music video, right? Oh, yeah. Anybody who isn't the main character in their own music videos is lying. TV shows all the time. Do it. You're either lying

“or you need to do it. Yeah. Women's a fire life. Yeah. So things only got better when they got to”

the house. There were apple trees in the yard of a wash green lawn. The house itself was this picturesque colonial home. According to the groundskeeper, the house was actually built by a master ship, right? In 1736. That's sick. And it was made of solid oak. Oh, hell yeah. And it was thanks to that masterful construction and solid materials that the house managed to survive during so many devastating hurricane seasons that destroyed a lot of the other coloniales in town. It had legs. It had legs.

By the time they finished storing the house, Carolyn was pretty much sold that it was hers, but the groundskeeper is the one who really convinced her. After giving her a tour of the property, he walked both women back to the car and he shook Carolyn's hand and he gave her a genuine look of kindness and said, "This is a wonderful place to raise a family." Oh, that would have sold me. Me too. You know, they hadn't even closed their doors and Carolyn was reaching into that

purse for her checkbook. And she said to the realtor, "My husband is out of town. How much does it take to hold this place?" Good. Honestly, good for her. I'm obsessed. Yeah. I'm absolutely sure she got to make sure nobody else gets it. Yeah. So Andrea's account of how they came to live in the house has this like mystical quality that strongly suggests some unseen force had intervened

girly myself, I love that Carolyn thought this was the universe. Oh, hell yeah. And maybe it was.

You know, the universe wants to teach you things. Maybe this was like her Saturn return or something. There you go. Probably not. But maybe I don't know. But maybe she had five kids at this point, but it was the different time. Anyways, unfortunately for Carolyn, Roger was upset. He was like,

“"Hey, it's the 70s. You can't spend money without me." I mean, here's the thing.”

Like, yeah, you should probably talk together if you're by your posture, you know. That's, but she tried to talk to him and he wasn't listening. Well, that's the, I mean, what's a woman to do? We're steps taken, that maybe should have, we're good? Yeah. But like, he's in a truck. What was she meant to do? We listen and we don't judge. Period. So more than mad, he also just wasn't interested in hearing about the house or the beautiful grounds or how perfectly suited it was for

their family. He was interested in one thing only. How the fuck they were going to get that check back from the realtor. No. But Carolyn persisted. She was like, "No, this is the right decision for us, Roger. Listen to me. Listen, Roger." And eventually he yielded and he agreed to tour the house with her. Okay. He said, "I'm not saying we're moving, but I'll go look at it." Yeah. So then the next day, the entire family piled into the car and they headed back to Harrisville to see the house.

Once again, they were met by the groundskeeper, Mr. Kenyan, who Roger was immediately charmed by and very endeared to. The girls ran off to play in the yard and Mr. Kenyan showed the parents the house. And although he was still pretty pissed at his wife for being so impulsive and completely disregarding his wishes on the matter, Roger did have to admit it was pretty great post. It is. Yeah. The interior was just as beautiful and stately as the exterior. It was much,

it was more than adequate for their family. And a few hundred yards away, a stream ran through the woods with water clear enough for Roger to legit see little fishy swimming beneath the surface. Well, fishys. Oh, it was perfect. Oh my goodness. Press. So back at home that night, they put the girls to bed and they sat down to discuss everything. For every glowing word that Carolyn had for the house, Roger offered a critique, though. He was

not quite sold yet. She brought up the crystal clear stream and the natural spring on the property. And he pointed out the ancient plumbing. And the fact that there was only one bathroom in the entire fucking house. But the matter would be rough. That would be rough. But no matter how pragmatic he was or how many reasonable concerns he had. In the end, there was no getting around the fact that he was just as impressed with the house as Carolyn was. And he agreed that night. Okay,

we'll figure it out. Let's do it. Let's go. So after lots of planning, lots of preparation,

moving day finally arrived the second week of January, 1971. You couldn't pay me money to move

in New England in January. No. Why? Yeah. What to do? At least March. That's the real horror. Yeah, here. It really is. Yeah. Moving in January. What? So having spent everything on the down payment for the house, there was no money to hire movers. But luckily friends and family pitched in to help the parents get settled into their new house. As the last pieces of furniture were being carried inside, Mr. Kenyan, the groundskeeper, appeared at the door to say hello and welcome everybody.

And he was charming as ever. And Roger appreciated having somebody nearby who was familiar with the property. But before he left that afternoon, Mr. Kenyan said something that would haunt Roger in the days and weeks to come. Oh. He said, leave the lights on at night. But her to light a candle meant to curse the darkness. Okay, that that might send me. That would fuck me up. Oh, send me. I don't know where it would send me, but it would send me away. Yeah. It would send me

on my way. I'll be there. No big, yeah. I'd be like, I'd like to leave now. Also, I'm pretty sure

“that conjuring house is closed. Really? Yeah. I think it like between owners is not why.”

Yeah, I think they don't have their business license was like revoked. Oh. And then I think it was going up for auction. It definitely was because it wasn't some tool trying to buy. Yeah, I don't remember who I do and that. I do too. But I don't remember like my friend looking at you. But I don't see who I don't see like what happened. I just looked online. I don't know what the results of all that was interesting. I'm just interested now. I'm like, what's going on?

You're going to buy it? Like, I can't give you the laundry. You're like, hey, can I see it? Give me the haunted location. I see some paperwork. What? It didn't Sam and Colby buy a haunted location. They bought it. They got a school. I want to. So yeah, the comment I guess didn't really necessarily come off as menacing to Roger anyway. But something about it put Roger off and he was very uncomfortable. Something about it. Probably just the comment. Yeah. I've got

just the content, the whole comment. Leave the lights on at night. I'd be like, first of all,

“that's expensive, Mr. Kenyan. That's when he goes to why, but you go, ah, ah. Yeah. What is that?”

Get on you to the little finger wagging. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold up, brother. Brother.

episode. This is the country. They moved into the old farmhouse. Carolyn was very surprised

“by how much noise that it made. Like, when everything was quiet. The house? Yeah. Oh,”

I wasn't that surprising. They moved in during the coldest part of the year. And every new Englander obviously knows, like, your house is going to be creaking and crowded. The clinging, the clinging, the creaking, the crack and plumbing, old floors. What have you? Oh, yeah. I used to love what our family from like out of town. Like, John's family from out of town. We come stay over and they're like, what the fuck is that? I was like, just house just the pipes. That's just house to settle.

Don't worry about it. There's like a random crack in our wall. I was like, what the fuck is that? Drew goes, I don't know the house settled. I was like, oh, okay, that's good. Like, I don't know what's new England, but even by those standards, new England standards, the creasing roads from the old house. We're definitely eerie and like, they happened much more frequently than the usual one. The house was like, sort of, and they were like, that's new. They were like, oh, now it was all the more noticeable

since they never got any keys to the house when they moved in. Yeah. Mr. Kenyan just was like,

I never locked the doors. No need. Nobody will bother you here. Okay, I love that. But like, I hate that.

“I love that nobody will bother you. Yeah, but I'm like, so a key bother you. But why?”

It's a nice question. They had gone through a break in. Yeah. I'm going to lock everything. Yeah, if you're buying somewhere to get away from crime, yeah, get keys. Or even if you're not moving there to get away from crime, if you're moving into a place, get keys and then change the law. Yeah, definitely get those keys. Now a few weeks after they moved in, Carolyn was surprised to learn that it wasn't just her who had been hearing strange sounds in the house. One day, while she was

home alone with April, who was the youngest daughter, April was like, yeah, I hear shit upstairs all the time. She was like, yes, it's going crazy. And she was like, I think she was like four or five.

And she literally said, like, shit's going crazy. She was like, my shit is popping the fuck off upstairs.

She's the comment caught Carolyn off guard. And she didn't really know what to respond because she doesn't want to scare her daughter. But she's like, oh, cool, you're hearing it too. Yeah, and she's like, where do you learn those words? Yeah, she's like, yeah, but I got the daunting soap out. So by the time

“she got around to asking what kind of things April had heard in her room, April was like distracted”

with something else because she's a kid. Yeah, she's got to go learn this way. She's got shit to do. So she said that to me. She was like, I've just got to do my stuff. So one February day, when the older girls were all at school and Carolyn was home with April. She had just put April down for an app and she got this eerie feeling. She got used to all the noise that the house made the creaking, the popping, the sat, the locking, the dropping. They'd also heard hush talking from rooms.

My parents also hear that. We hear that too. No, I can't even like say that that's just them. I used to hear that one. No, I didn't. So they were used to that. But this time something was different. It felt like there was somebody else in the house with her. But like, it was a presence that she couldn't see, but she could for sure feel. She said the air felt heavy, thick and dark. So she closed her eyes and she tried to push the heavy feeling away. And within a few minutes it passed.

Later that afternoon after the girls got home from school, Carolyn gave them some milk and cookies. And she was like, go play like over here. So you don't wake April up because she's still sleeping. So doing as they were told, they went to a living room to play a game and eat their snack. But they were interrupted a few minutes later by an unhappy and obviously still sleepy April. And she wanted to know who the fuck shook me in my goddamn sleep. Yeah.

Thinking that their sister was over tired or just being silly. The other girls laughed. But they were immediately admonished by Carolyn who was like not very happy that April was up for them all that early. So she had been in the kitchen next to the living room. She could see in here the girls very clearly. Like she knew all four of them were down there playing. So she also knew that none of them had gone upstairs to wake up April. So she pulled April on to her lap and she's trying to suit there. She's like,

nobody touched you while you were asleep. Like they didn't none of the girls went into your room. It was probably just a bad dream. That technique was usually successful. But on that afternoon April could not be sued. She was very upset. She insisted that one of her sisters had slapped her and pushed her while she was sleeping and then ran out of the room. And she said she could even hear their footsteps as they fled into the hallway. That's terrifying. Yeah. So seeing that April was

genuinely upset and like inconsolable at this moment with what she'd experienced, the rest of the girls got more serious and they joined in trying to help calm her down. Oh shit. They all told her none of us went into your room. Like you probably were dreaming. But after a while, even Carolyn wasn't so sure that April was dreaming. Her mind flashback to the feeling that she had earlier that day putting April down for her nap that she wasn't alone in the room. And she was sure that

if there was somebody else in the house, she would have noticed them right now after all the house was not that big. Yeah. And it also seemed like every floorboard had its own noise. Yeah.

want to have to wonder that you don't. It's probably on the, like yeah, my top 10 list of things

“to not want to have to worry about. Yeah. I want to go my whole life wondering not that. Yeah.”

So since moving in that second week of January, Roger had only been able to enjoy the new house

for a few days before he was back out on the road. So when he finally got home in mid-February, he was just eager to relax and enjoy the house. But from the moment he got home, he could tell that something was off with Carolyn. She seemed very troubled. That night after the girls went to bed, he was like, what's going on? Like, you seem super off. And it took a little work, but eventually Carolyn did start to tell him about the noises that she had been hearing.

And the more recent unshakable feeling that there was somebody in the house with them. He told her that the light in the house was definitely strange, and it even played tricks with his eyes, but it was probably just that. But the more he talked, the more Carolyn realized that she didn't really understand what she was saying. It wasn't just that she had an uncomfortable feeling like everybody gets from time to time. It was a genuine feeling that there was actually

“somebody else there with her, watching her. So it was obvious to Roger that Carolyn was upset,”

and something had for sure frightened her. But whether it was his Catholic upbringing or just that he hadn't had any experiences like that himself, he just couldn't bring himself to accept that anything was going on in the house. It had to have been reasonable. He insisted that she just was spending too much time alone, or maybe she was alone with the kids, and there were imaginations too much. So throughout most of their ordeal in the house, this was kind of Roger's way of having

things. Yeah. According to Nickel, Roger eventually seemed to acquiesce, possibly to promote domestic

harmony, but he never appears to have truly believed the claims from his wife and interest. It seems

like he was accusing her of or affirming this haunting. Yeah, he was saying your orre points have gone down a lot. Yeah. So as winter turned to spring and then to summer, the noises continued, and that feeling of being watched would come over Carolyn and the girls now every so often. And time, the area of the hallway that connected the kitchen and the dining room, became the least comfortable place in the house. The temperature and explosively fluctuated

wildly between hot and cold, like super, super hotter, absolutely freezing, see your breath cold. And it didn't matter what the temperature was in the rest of the house. According to Andrea, the girls always quote, "moved quickly through that quarter, unconsciously sensing the presence, always feeling watched within the dark spaces." Ooh. As time passed, they started to share their own experiences with each other,

and were kind of relieved to find that they weren't alone in what was going on. Andrea said, "Nobody ever lingered too long near the seller door." And that was because on the day they moved in, two of the girls had seen what they thought was a man standing in the dark corner just beyond the door. And at the time, they dismissed it as like a shadow or like their dad said a trick of the light. But over time, the heavy feeling that they got around the seller door and the sounds that came

from the seller convinced them that it wasn't an illusion. Ooh. Now it was Cynthia, who first encountered

the full blown apparition of a man. I don't want to see an apparition of a man. Neither did Cynthia. Yeah. The school year had just started. She was rushing to get her things together one morning. So she wouldn't miss the bus. The bus driver was literally out front like blaring the horn. And she's trying to scoop everything up and make the, make it in time. But before she could get there, he quote, "Silky, smoky figure emerged from the seller."

So she had no time to even react to what was going on. And she just rushed headlong into it. Which caused the mask to disappear in an invisible and foul smelling cloud. Ew, a fart cloud. A fart cloud. A grunt. A paranormal fart cloud. Now, as soon as the odor entered Cynthia's nostrils, the smell was apparently so overpowering that it sent her into a coughing fit. Oh my god, go to the doctor. Yeah, almost she kind of did.

She made it out to the bus and she got to school on time. But within an hour of getting to school, she was exhausted. She couldn't concentrate. She was falling asleep at her desk. So the teacher sent her to the nurse because they really thought the fuck was going on.

“They said, "I think you, I think you inhaled a fart cloud." I think you inhaled an paranormal fart cloud.”

Yeah. We don't really have treatment for that. You know, it was going to go home and be like, "But I'll eat that often." But a short time later, Carolyn picked her up and brought her home. Oh, shit. So Cynthia's encounter didn't really result in much more than the symptoms of a cold. But the fact that that gave her cause was the fuck. She's got pink eyes on me.

But it was an education that whatever they shared their home with, could and would interact with them when it wanted to. And those interactions might have physical consequences. Damn. A few days later, speaking of physical consequences, Carolyn was out in the barn clearing out some of the old objects that had been left behind. And she had an encounter of her own. As she was working, she started to hear a kind of

woosh sound come from the hay loft above her. Like a woosh. Like that.

And she started to climb the ladder to try to help if it was.

“Then out of nowhere, a hand sife came flying in her direction from above.”

What? So she tried to move or jump out of the way. But she felt like she was paralyzed. Like she literally couldn't move. Now to her relief, the sife struck the ground just inches from her foot, which spared her any harm. But the question remained, who or what had thrown a fucking sight in her direction? Yeah, that's bullshit. She didn't know wow, wow or high. Wow or how or why. But the thing Carolyn did know was that the implement had not just fallen.

It had clearly been thrown. Yeah. That's crazy. Now from that point on, is when the activity

in the house really escalated. The worst of it always coming when Roger was away.

One afternoon, a few weeks after the attack in the barn, there was a knock on the door. And when Carolyn opened it, she was met by her neighbor. Mrs. Petagrew, who knew where that Roger was away. And was just kind of stopping in to be like how you're doing. So Carolyn invited her in. She went upstairs to change into more presentable clothes.

“And Mrs. Petagrew and the children sat in the kitchen eating the cake that she brought.”

And suddenly they were startled by the sound of Carolyn screaming from the bedroom down the hall. Oh no. Now rushing to her aid, they all burst in the room just in time to they all saw this. See her being whacked across the face, had a neck with a wire coat hanger. Held in the air just like by some unseen force. It was not Joan Crawford. No, it was not. No. She doesn't like wire hangers. No, she doesn't. No wire hangers. What the fuck? Yeah.

So seconds after they entered the room, the coat hanger just dropped to the floor. Whatever had held it previously was gone. And Carolyn was just sitting there in tears. Just having been hit with a wire hanger. But she's also, what's that? How many people saw this? Six people. Her five daughters and her neighbors. Yeah. Yeah. So frightened and kind of embarrassed. Yeah. Carolyn ushered everybody out of the room and backed onto the kitchen where they all just kind of sat

awkwardly like nobody knew what to say. And before long Mrs. Petagrew was like, I'm ahead out. I'm a weave. So she was like, thanks so much for the coffee and joy the cake piece out. Carolyn walked her out. And but before Mrs. Petagrew left, she turned into Carolyn's hand and told her,

the Kenyans always kept the lights on overnight. All the lights every night.

“That would fuck me up. That would fuck me. That to be the second comment about like you should”

keep your lights on and just for like curling take your hand and just be like, you know that wire hanger that just beat the shit out of you. Yeah. The previous owners kept their lights on. Yeah. Maybe think about maybe you should do that. Like, no. Maybe the wire hanger's wouldn't go. Oh, maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. Who's to say. Oh, so then she just let go of Carolyn's hand. Walked in the direction of her house and quite literally never came back for another.

Honestly, I don't believe it. She was like, that house is not for me. It looks rinsed. She said, it's oral points are low. Yeah. So in the months that followed, the parent family kind of just fell into a regular routine, living alongside whatever the fuck was in their house and doing their best to carry on. While still enduring strange events and strange encounters, with Roger away most of the time,

Carolyn and the girls were left to fund for themselves. And when he would return,

there was always the inevitable disappointment when he refused to believe their stories of the

haunting. Yeah. The experiences themselves were incredibly stressful, but Roger's skepticism seemed to make everything worse. According to Joe Nichol, Carolyn came to feel as though she was being overtly challenged by Roger's disbelief, as though her opinion was entirely irrelevant. Her recounting of events fraudulent. Well, it would piss me off. If John just straight up didn't believe me, I'd be like, that sucks. Yeah, it's not cool. I would be very upset. Yeah.

So the tension that grew between Roger and Carolyn acted as kind of a wedge between them and only pushed them farther apart from each other. And that was when Carolyn really needed a lot of support. Yeah. Things took a turn for the worse when in the absence of her husband's emotional support, Carolyn turned to a neighbor Sam as a kind of confident. There's no indication that their relationship was anything but platonic. Thank you for that. You bet you know, Carolyn's a queen.

My, my like, my reality television showhead just went. And with that being said, Team Sierra. Oh, yeah. I don't even watch it in Team Sierra period. Yeah. You're on the right side of history. So they were like platonic, but just the fact that his wife had started sharing her ghost stories with people outside of the house and a man, another man at that. Yeah, felt kind of like a betrayal to Roger. But it's also like, I don't know, maybe believe your wife. Believe

and make her feel heard. And all your kids are saying that's too much. Exactly. But through sharing her story, Carolyn finally started to feel some sense of support. And she also started moving towards finding some answers. Now, despite their growing inability to communicate with each other,

their relationship. It was the 70s. When he was home, Roger was present, we not necessarily warm,

“but there. And his being home helped Carolyn feel a little bit safer. One night, a few years into”

their time at the house, Roger said, you know what, why don't we get a babysitter? We'll go out for a date. Like, we know. We know the whole action here. So they went out. They had a nice night together. They got home a little after midnight. Roger thanked the babysitter, paid them. Carolyn went upstairs, checked in on the girls. Everything seemed normal. And then they went to bed. A few hours later, Carolyn was a woken by the sounds of footsteps near their door in her bedroom.

She obviously assumed it was one for five children. So she called out without opening her eyes. Like, who is it? What can I do for you? What you need? What's up, girl? And she got no response. So she gradually opened her eyes and saw the grotesque figure of a woman standing before her, staring directly into her eyes from across the room. That's so much worse than a kid. Yeah. She was also completely paralyzed. Oh. And her eyes just rapidly scanned the entity in

front of her, looking for any indication of what the fuck it might want. A grotesque woman. Yeah. She said the age of the woman was difficult to discern, but based on her outfit, she knew that she was not of a modern era. Her dress was a quote Rusty Green Jersey handmade hand-died fabric cinched at the waist with a belt. And her hairstyle was slightly more modern. It kind of looked like a beehive, but it wasn't as well-quolved because she's grotesque. And presumably does. Yeah.

Now worst of all was the way that her body was contorted and twisted. Her neck seemed to have been snapped, causing her head to tilt at an unnatural line. I remember hearing this one and she stared

“gray-eyed and unblinking at Carolyn. Oh, isn't there? I seem to remember that there's like a drawing”

on like a wall or something that one of the kids did at that lady? Yeah it is. It's literally it's fucking, it's like silly, but it's scary because you know like what it results for. That's fucked up. Yeah. And it was found on furniture like by the new owners of the house later. And it's just a lady with like her crazy bent neck. Yeah, we'll take it. We'll put a picture. Yeah.

That's fucking scary in the carousel on Instagram. At first to Carolyn because remember she just woke

up out of nowhere to this. At first it seemed like this woman was like floating in the darkness, but once her eyes finally adjusted to the darkness, she could see that the woman wasn't floating. She was crouched inside of the bureau across the room. The doors flung open on both sides to reveal the full extent of Miss girl's hideousness of our girly. Yeah. Like what the fuck? Yeah. In her mind Carolyn imagined herself shrieking, but no matter how loud she was yelling in her

“mind, nothing would come out of her mouth. That's the worst. So she watched and frozen terror as”

the woman thing at the other end of the room climbed out of the bureau and started slowly moving toward her in the dark. Oh, finally feeling like the paralysis was slipping. She started kicking Roger, but the blows must have been too soft to register because stupid Roger didn't wake up. It was only when the thing was directly in front of her. One of it's arms literally laying across

her pillow that she finally regained the functionality to move away from the thing and it started

leaning its gray face towards her. So she shot back against her headboard with such force that the metal of the headboard slammed into the wall and she said it was so loud that it should have woken up everybody, but nobody came running and Roger stayed asleep. Holy shit. To her surprise, the only person that did seem to respond to the noise of the clanging bedframe was the figure of the woman. Pressed as far back against the wall as she could be, she just watched and shock as the

figure started to dissolve before her eyes, leaving behind a cloudy residue and a terrible odor. Everyone's so stinky. He's dankass. Why's everyone so stinky? He's dank. Take a bath. He's dank. Take a bath. Oh, I don't know. So terrified and wanting to get out of that room. ASAP, she just scooped up her pillow and went to the living room to sleep on my couch. She was like, you know what, she was like, I don't want to do with this. Yeah, she's like, you know what,

Roger's probably not going to believe me. If I tell him what just happened inches away from him, but there's no doubt in her mind. Their house was haunted and whatever it was, it was not friendly. So in the days after the attack, what's that? And stinky. And stinky, not friendly, and stinky, horrible combination. Yeah. So in the days after the attack in the bedroom, the damn broke, and Carolyn started learning what her daughters were experiencing in the house. Andrea told her,

I see shadows in my bedroom, even when the moon is small in the dark. Oh, the other girls had experiences too. Their bed shook in the middle of the night. Toys moved across the room. Shapeless figures stared at them from the dark corners. The worst was the way that the thing had approached Cindy. Not as a menacing figure, but with tenderness. Cindy told her mom,

Amy Leeville. It really is. So Carolyn said, "Fuck that. I got to do something to protect myself

and my babies." Roger's not going to believe us, and he's not going to like sell our house and we live even if he does. So I need to figure out how to make this happen. Exactly. So Mama, that's a Mama. So she reached out to her good buddy, platonic Sam, and told him to love platonic Sam. We do too. She told him about the thing. And as they were talking, April looked up from the TV, pointed up the door to the seller and just said, something real fucking bad happened in there.

And then she turned back to the TV, like she hadn't just dropped that law. Well, okay, so we're catching on. I'm just like making her swear because we started up it and it's funny. But she literally was like something real bad happened. She said something bad happened in there.

“And then just like went back to the TV. I'm not sure how I would recover from that. I believe.”

I have never been honest. There's a lot of things I can handle. Yeah. That might be the moment I say.

Well, I guess we're camping out. No, no, I was literally just going to say I might camp in nearby woods for I spent another night there. Some real bad happened in there would fuck me up on the level. I can't describe it. It makes me think of the fucking six cents. Y'all. That fucking cabinet. Y'all. And like, and they lock him up. I can't even think of that. I can't even think of it. Because that scene, that scene scared the voice in that fucking cabinet. The growl. Oh my god. No, I hate it.

That just makes me think of it. I hate it guys. Do you know that, Mikey? He's never seen the six cents. He doesn't know. He doesn't know. We should show you that. We should. Maybe, but it's so fucked up. We gotta show you. So shocked by the statement, Carolyn and Sam were like, "Okay, given everything we know, the seller seems like the most obvious source of the haunting." So Sam had it out because he was like, "Wow, this place is freaky as fuck." But I burped.

“He agreed that he would do some research and get back to her. Okay.”

Finally, a few weeks later, he returned. And among other things, he had looked into whether there was

like a legal loophole that might get them out of the mortgage. I realized I said loophole weird. I was like, "Are we led then? Just led then?" No. I didn't want to reset it, but I realized I said I weird. Lippa. Lippa. Lippa. Lippa. There might be a legal loophole. My nose is like popping. I don't know. So in some states, if the seller had withheld any pertinent information from the buyer at the time of the sale, that could nullify the contract.

Oh. Unfortunately, that's not the case in Rhode Island, or at least it wasn't back then. Carolyn shared the information with Roger when he got back from another work trip, but he was just not interested in hearing it. Andrea said, "He wasn't having the same experience as we were having." And when he did come home exhausted, the last thing he wanted to hear was my mother saying, "Roger, I think we have ghosts." I mean, yeah, but like, come on. Come on.

Come on, Roger. Come on, Roger. Now, years past, and the women in the parent house continue to be attacked and terrified by all manner of scary shit. While Roger just remained free of any her husband. I don't know if they were just like, "Ah, he's not worth it. He's not here." They're like, "He doesn't care." So yeah, that's not fun. I feel like that would be fun. I'd be like, "Come up if I was here." I know. I'd be like, "I'm going to make you believe." Oh, yeah. So in time,

Carolyn continued looking for an explanation. In that time, she continued looking for an explanation for the experiences. And one day, she found it in an old story once shared by the locals, but mostly forgotten by the time that they had moved into the town. She'd been visiting a local general store,

“when she was chit chatting with the owner, a lifelong local named Fran. Because that's what a”

life-long life-long local is named. Oh, hell yeah. I mean, I'm pretty sure in Gilmore girls, there's a lifelong local named Fran. Yeah, there's a lifelong local named Fran. Yeah, there's a life-long local named Fran. Same life-long local five times. Life-long local. That's hard. Five times. That's, I don't think I can do it. Yeah, I don't believe me. Yeah. So she's chit chatting with Fran, and she finds herself telling Fran about, you know, you tell Fran whatever you need to. Oh,

you tell Fran everything. Exactly. She's like, hey, I wasn't talking to my ghost woman in my house recently. Oh, yeah. Fran's going to take that. She's going to, no, she literally didn't know what to do. To Carol and Surprise, Fran knew something about my house. That nobody had ever told the family. It had once been the home of a woman named Bathsheba Sherman, and her neighbors believed that she was a witch. Oh, hell yeah. I'm obsessed. Let's go. According to local legend, Bathsheba had been a

member of the Arnold family who lived in the house all those years ago. And she was said to be in league with the devil. And it sacrificed a child to Satan and it changed for power. Oh, she's a yucky one. No, no. When she was arrested, Bathsheba claimed that the child died in that accident, and an accident, and the case was dismissed. Oh. But still, the rumors persisted around town, and she became an outcast, left alone in her house to her black magic. Oh, no. It was this friend

suggested that was likely the source of the haunting. If the stories were true, and Bathsheba had in fact sacrificed a child, surely an acts of evil would leave a permanent stain on the land and the house. Oh, hell yeah. And while there was literally no evidence to support that belief,

shit going on in that house. And then the kids say, and something bad happened in there. Yes, she wants to be my friend. All the stinky fart smells, all the, you know, the sights getting thrown at you. Yeah. I might say, I might that might be my first thought, too. It was like, you know what? I bet somebody did do some fucked up shit like that. Oh, I would absolutely think so. I'd be like that. That's enough evidence for me. I'd take it. So knowing the potential

origin of the haunting was one thing, but that still didn't help Carolyn salt the problem. They still had to live there. Then one day, and in early fall of 1973, help came from an unexpected place. By then, Carolyn had been pretty open with a lot of people at that point about what was happening in the house, including a friend who recently attended a lecture by paranormal investigators

say it with me now and in Lorraine more in. I've never heard of them. Well, no, are they, are they

“are they well known? Yeah, they're like people know about them. I think good at what they do.”

They are nobody can argue that they're good at what they do. Are they charlatans, perhaps? Oh, my God, that word literally gets used later. Holy shit. Listen to you. So yeah, maybe. Maybe. But so at the time, the warrants actually hadn't really reached the level of notoriety that they have now. That they really came to notoriety after Amityville, I think. Oh, yeah. Then they became the warrants. Exactly. They were not the warrants. Yeah, they were just the Ed and Lorraine

Warren. They were going to be doing a couple. Yeah. So they were also easily accessible at this point and they lived close by because they lived, I think they lived in Rhode Island. They got it on the ground floor. Yeah, in Lorraine Carolyn did. So she plays to call to the couple and they agreed. They said, Hell, yeah. I'll come down to your house. So they toured the house. They reviewed the notes and the research that Carolyn had pulled together. And after doing so, Lorraine Warren agreed

that there was definitely an evil presence living amongst them. I mean, I'm with her. I'm the same. You know, after hearing the story about Bathsheba, Lorraine informed the parents that it was she, who was the, quote, loan demonic presence in the house. And all the other paranormal activity

was drawn to her or commanded by her. Oh, shit. So grateful that somebody was finally

taking her plight seriously, a wave of relief washed over Carolyn. When Lorraine not only believed

“her, but also said, hey, I think we can help you here. Oh, hell yeah. Unfortunately, what Carolyn”

thought was a story shared in confidence soon turned out to be anything but Ed and Lorraine definitely would do their best to help the family, but they also would create a public spectacle that would benefit them more than the parents. Yeah. And at that point, there was no knowledge of their wilyways. Yeah. Yeah. So before Carolyn even knew what was happening, there were strangers showing up outside of her house all the time to get a look at the haunted house. Every few days, ghost

hunters were arriving at the door offering their services. One ghost hunter included a man who insisted that he could solve the problem with, quote, only one tool of the trade in his hand. His holy Bible. I don't think you can do that. He didn't. And it was only later that Carolyn and Roger

found out that in between their first meeting and their last one, Ed and Lorraine shared their

story at an unknown number of lectures given around New England. Oh, Ed and Lorraine. So they were just like, hey, this address and Harris, Harrisburg, that is the address. Yeah, this place in fucking Rhode Island. Let's go see ya. Check it out. In October, Ed and Lorraine came back to the house for what Carolyn was told would be a sound. But what turned out to be what Joe Nichol described as part of a ghost hunting session with lots of cumbersome equipment and part intended exorcism,

including in addition to medium, shaman, holy woman and a parasitologist and also a priest. Whoa. So she was like, I thought we were just having a say on two or all these people. Yeah, I thought we were just sitting around with some kid those. Yeah. So she was scared about Roger's reaction initially. So she didn't tell him about the say-ons. Oh, no. Until the warrants got

“there to perform said say-on. Oh, babe. And Roger was living. Yeah, I mean, here's the thing.”

You got to inform everybody. Yeah, I too would be pissed if a say-ons was occurring without my knowledge. Yeah, but he wouldn't stop the sound. So I got both sides. He would. That's the thing. I understand that you didn't want to say anything because he would be like, we're not doing a fucking say-on. And she needed to do a fucking say-on. And you need to do a fucking say-ons. But I can understand, I would also be aggravated if it's complicated. If Ed and Lorraine were and showed up at my

house with Sans a coup de Mont, and like a whole entourage of Sans of like Sans people and like holy men and women. Yeah. Just unannounced. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, oh, I might have set this up. I don't like unexpected. I'd be like sick idea. Yeah. But you have to tell me. I don't even like when solar panel people show up at my house. Oh, it's fucking late. So I'm not. I don't like any of that. You know, so he was pissed, but he was like, okay, do your say-ons. At least he was like,

do your say-ons. Yeah. But he was pretty pissed about it. I mean. So over the course of the evening, Ed and Lorraine, with the help of all of their entourage, guided Carolyn through a ritual cleansing, intended to drive Bathsheba out of the house. Huh. During the cleansing, Carolyn started mumbling

her quaking body trembled in place." Holy shit. Yeah. Lots was going on. Wow. After lots of

“shouting, prayer, and exorcism of what they were told was the demon that had entered Carolyn's body,”

Roger had had enough. And he tried to intervene in what he thought was a hoax. But when he stepped forward, Ed tried to pull away from the exorcism, tried to pull him away. And that caused Roger to whip around and punch Ed directly in the face, dropping him down to the ground. Bam. Ed went down. Roger, super bitch. I'll send you a copy. Yeah. So see her husband bleeding from the face. Oh no. Lorraine ran to his side and started wiping the blood. And Roger used the break in the chaos

to demand that everybody gets a flock out of his own. He said, "This is getting crazy." And without the sounds came to an end. Oh no. No, in her memoirs, Andrea Perner called her

father's demeanor after the war ends and the others left that night. She said he bitterly

resented the intrusion, the theatrical force of pseudo intellectual endeavor. Oh, he also called the entire scene, ritualistic nonsense, and shouted at his wife, "Do you realize you're being played by a pair of two-bit charlatan charlatan?" I don't do. I mean, you shouldn't yell at your wife. You shouldn't yell at your wife. When he said it wasn't a little foul. It was correct, maybe. But it was like, that's not nice. It was like what's your Roger? Because obviously,

something is going on in this house. If she's that desperate to get really exact, and these kids are feeling it, the kids are saying shit. She's gone down. She's a mama trying to help her children. Yeah. I'm team Carolyn. Me too, thank you. You know? Now, at the time, his behavior and his perspective seemed unwarnted. But as an adult now, Andrea kind of gets where he was coming from. Yeah, it's like given the circumstances. According to her later in life,

Roger quote admitted that he didn't want to believe his wife because he didn't want to think that he had put his family in a perilous situation with the purchase of the house. I wondered if there was some like guilt. I think going on there. And also that he's not home a lot, yeah, protect them. So definitely. He doesn't want to believe that there's any kind of danger that's happening that he can't be around to help. Right. He probably like put it out of his head and

and just gone. He's just not reacting in a way that is telling us that. Yeah, it's the 70s. Yeah. What's he to do? What's he to do? So after the sayouts, things did seem to calm down

in the house. But the activity never did stop completely. They kept living in the house until

1980 when they finally decided it was time to move. Andrea said, my mother told my father, she would not survive another winter in that house. She'd been under attack in that house for 10

“years. You must be tired after that. And the decades since they moved out other people have lived”

in the house and nobody's reported supernatural activity that's lived there. Non-supernatural harassment on the other hand has been occurring regularly since the parent's story was made public. Reaching a peak with the conjuring in 2013, that movie that was released. Yeah, if you've heard of it. According to former homeowner Norma Sutcliffe, she and her husband were, quote, plagued by a conjuring instigated siege of their property.

That's included countless harassing phone calls and people just randomly showing up at their house. Yeah, but just shitty. Yeah. As for Andrea, who has now had decades to consider her own experiences and her family's experiences, she kind of lands somewhere in between skeptic, Joe Nichol, and true believers at a Lorraine War. She definitely believes that the house was haunted, but when it comes to the cause, she's not sure. Yeah, I could see that.

The release of the film, based loosely on her family's experiences, prompted a significant interest to in the legend of Bathsheba Sherman, who Andrea and local historians now believe was unfairly maligned. Bathsheba, yeah, not only by history, but also by the warrants. And a recent interview Andrea said, essentially Bathsheba copped the blame for everything evil, and it simply wasn't the case.

Not long after moving out of the house, Carolyn and Roger divorced, and they went their separate ways, but they both did their best to maintain positive relationships with their kids. That's good. And they occasionally appear in media relating to the haunting, but they live their lives mostly out of the spotlight. Oh, good for them. Yeah. I'm glad they lived. They kind of just separated

“from it. Yeah, me too. I think it was for the bus. And I really do believe that this was like,”

do I think Roger react a great novel? No, it was a little poor. But I do think Andrea, like the daughter is correct. Yeah, probably was a lot of guilt. Yeah, and underline guilt, thank for sure. I want to go to the country. I was so badly. I want to, too, and I wanted to read a book. And they said, I know, I forgot about John Gottlieg, tickets to go there and have a medium there for anniversary. And then he had to go and get

her to go. And then he got a horrible case of vertigo. Yeah, and we couldn't go. You and I should have gone, I know, on our own, my anniversary. Yeah. He honestly wanted us to be a part of that. So yeah,

Yeah, I forgot what they said. I remember they said it was definitely like,

“they felt some shit. Yeah, I want to go, but I think I don't, can you go? No?”

Yeah, it leads you to like a weird empty page. So I think if you look on the Google page,

like the homepage where when you search it, it says closed temporarily. Well, temporarily.

“Yeah. At least there's not. I would like to go. I want to go. Maybe we'll go. But yeah,”

that's crazy. It is. And what a tip. I love haunted episodes. There's so much fun. I love hauntings.

I know they're horrifying for the people who live through them, but I love hearing them.

“I really love hearing the stories of haunted. So guys, we hope that you love us.”

And we hope that people are something. And we hope you keep it. We are. We're not somewhere that you also don't love hauntings. Yeah, love haunting. Love them. Because it's almost spooky season. Oh my god, we're so close. We're so close. We're out of winter. That means it's spooky season. Only like five and a half months. Oh, that's fucking nothing. That's less than a half a year. All right, party. We're here. It's Halloween. Woo. Woo. Woo. Woo.

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