The Rescue of Baby Jessica McClure

This is morbid. We are coming out you not live from our pod lab. Yeah, but you know where we could

be coming to you live from? Where you say the music hall? Bitch in New York City. In New York City on June 27th be there or be a big old lameau. Yeah, come on. It'll be fun. It's one night only. Debbie is going to teach us how to do a tap. Yeah, how to tap. We're going to do a kick line. Yeah, we're going to do a kick line and we might even do a little tap tap tap. And we got some fun ship plan. We have some fun ship plan. We're working on, you know, figuring a couple of things out and just figure

to merge out and some of the merge is going to be the sickness day. Yeah, it's going to be disgustingly great. Yeah, I'm really fucking stoked. So get your tickets for that. You don't have much time left. June 27th is going to be here before you know it. True. So get those tickets. Take a master. Only got them there because that's the only place where we said, hey, those prices sound good. Yeah, if it's elsewhere and it looks insane, we have nothing to do with that period. Promise. So yeah,

got those tickets. We want to see who they're. We want to hang. We want to see your face. I want to see. There's your body. I want to see. We want to see from your head down to your legs.

“Exactly. All of the above, without your feet. Yeah. God wiki feet. If you want to see feet,”

if you want to see feet, if you want to see. I thought it's gross. I thought she paid for a car with selling feet. I've seen so many people say they paid for outrageous things. I had a friend who sold feetpicks. That's wild. And that's not like I'm saying like my friends. Like I like no series. I legitimately had a friend. My foot is too distinguishable because I have a tattoo on it. Yeah. Yeah. And like it's my grand. It's like has to do with my grandma. So I could do it myself.

Deep picks. That would be so fucked up. Yeah. That would be weird to sell. Yeah. That would be real bad. That would be real weird. Sorry if we sound congested. Yeah. We are in fact congested. It's been kind of a sick ward over here. I don't know if it's like, did this happen? Sometimes I feel like the change over from winter to spring. Yeah. Sometimes it's like the mix of allergies. And then I think all the germs are like given it that one last like the winter germs are like given it

a last go. One more punch. So everybody in my house got sick. But what was fun about this one was we all got sick with different things. Yeah. Which made it very interesting. I wouldn't say fun. You were interesting though. We had puking. We had ear infections. We had weird colds. Yeah. We had a random nausea. And then I just have a sign of something going on. I swear. I have a sign of infection. I went to urgent care. And they were like, too.

You don't have a sign of infection. I was like, "Cool, why is that hurt when you touch my face then?" "No, what's this thing?" She was like, "I leave." But I was like, "Okay."

“Oh, Steve. Yeah. So I think we just, you know, we're feeling better today.”

I feel much better today. But I apologize if I sound a little congested. I know. I might maybe I'm alone in this, but whenever I hear someone's sound sick, sometimes it can make me feel weird. It's so funny whenever we have to record. And she's like, "Oh, it's on sick." Like, it's going to be awful. I'm like, "I don't really think about that." Like, I've definitely listened to pods for people. Yeah. Don't sound a, okay? I just feel like it's real bad. Because I'm like, "I don't want

you to feel gross while listening." You feel gross while listening. You don't feel gross. You feel good. Okay. You know what makes me feel gross? What? The new fucking Siri. Yeah. I have a bone to pick with her. Yeah, you really, I don't feel as strongly about it. It actually shocks me that you don't feel strongly about this. Because the second I was by myself, which is actually weird. Because I feel

like I'm always driving with you. Yeah, because it's in the car. That's the car, Siri. The phone

series, fine. But she's a bitch. She's a bitch. She's a bitch. She says a give a fuck. No, she reads my text. And she puts, first of all, weird, like, emphasis on certain words that it doesn't make, like, she's putting the wrong emphasis on the wrong syllable. Yeah. And then also, I, whenever she's like, "Hey, do you want to respond?" Nine out of ten times the answer is no. I don't want to respond. She has a personal bone to pick with me and she does that. She goes, "Okay." That's, yeah.

“Okay. That honestly, I think that's why I thought she was so funny. You like her obituary? No,”

it just, because so it happened where I was like, I was going to answer something and it was like, "Do you want to respond?" And you said, "Absolutely." Now I said, "No, thank you." Because I'm always

polite. Oh, I always say no, thank you. Yeah, I always say yes, please. I always say no, thank you.

When the rise of the robots comes up, I need them to know that I was polite. Yeah, I don't want to be in this voyage, well, for me. But, you know, I want them to know that I said, "Thank you." Yeah. But, so I said, "No, thank you." And she said, "Okay." And it was so jarring.

that was funny. I didn't see that coming. It did not make me laugh. I looked down at my radio, like, who the fuck just spoke out of turn to me. Which is so funny, because you would think this would be completely opposite. That I would be like, "Who the fuck are you talking to?" Literally. For some reason, I was like, "Oh, okay, we have a thing, me and you, Surrey." Oh, well, where you pretend to be like, "Okay." Oh, I don't feel like she's pretending. I feel

like she's like, "We have a thing." No, you don't. We have a funny joke, but no, that's not that. You don't. No. She's being rude to you. In your own vehicle that you pay for.

“I don't see, I won't stand for that. That's why it's a joke.”

I can't stand for that either. I'm trying to figure out how to change that bitch. Yeah, I don't think you can. I don't know. I don't like it. I don't like it. Okay. How do you guys feel? Okay. How do you feel about your car Surrey? Yeah, did your car Surrey change? And you had no said, "That's the other thing, I didn't like that. I didn't have a say in it." Yeah, I don't love it. It's like that YouTube album being

dropped on everyone's phone. Oh, I hate it that. Everybody who's just really upset. And remember you couldn't get rid of it. You couldn't get rid of it. Um, my, that's the other thing, like my old Surrey and I, she was like an older lady. I know it. Like she had the older lady vibes. This one does have younger vibes. I get on so well with older ladies. Like when I was at Disney,

I made besties with like three different older ladies. Drew was like, "What is happening?" He's like, "I love older, I love old bitties." I love old bitties and old bitties love me. I love old bitties too. I think me and old bitties like get each other. Yeah. When I dressed up as an old bitty, when I dressed up as Miranda Priestley,

I never felt more myself. Yeah. Honestly, you never, like, you never felt more yourself to everyone else.

Yeah. Yeah. I meant to be old. I think so. I meant to be old. You meant to be elderly.

“And just, that's what it is. So this would do me. Okay. Okay.”

Well, we're going to talk, oh, you know what? We got our serious first. Like a... Yeah, because before we get into this hairling tale of survival. Oh, we love survival. We'll give you that right up front because it involves a bit there. But survival. Some crazy true crime news happens. Yeah. This is what I just could not not mention. They linked a new victim to Ted fucking buddy. That is shocking. A shocking, but also not shocking because he was so active. It's just, and

think this is why we always say like a cold case is never cold. It's never, it's never frozen solid. Because this was how this was from 1974. Wow. And they were able to link him to it with DNA. That's actually nuts. It was 1974. The victim is 17 year old Laura and Anne Amy. She was from Utah. 17. 17 years old. That's all. Yeah. That's, he was, he was a lot more than a lot of people think. Yeah. She went missing on Halloween night. She was leaving a party. I think she was just going

to like a store. She never made it there. And they do think that he held her for some time alive.

Because she wasn't found until about a month later. She was found dumped on the side of the road. She had been bound beaten. I mean, needs to have her horrific monster. Yeah. That's, it's really sad. He, and did he like usually hold his victims for a period of time?

“I feel like I don't remember that. No, I think a lot of his were like same, he affected them in the”

moment. I'm sure there were a couple of other variations. Yeah. Yeah. And I think we're going to hear, I wouldn't be surprised if we get more. I think it was DNA. He's wildly prolific. Yeah. Like wildly. You wish there was like a different word. Because prolific, like I know what you're saying. I know it makes it sound prolific sounds like a good thing. Yeah. It sounds like it's a compliment. But it's no. But there's no other way to, there is, yeah, prolific. That's just is what it means.

But I guess from what I could see, he did verbally acknowledge this, like this victim, like said, then he did it. He did acknowledge it before his execution. I'm not quite sure the details of it. I'll go further into it for sure. I want to take like a deep dive on this. Yeah. But obviously, you need solid closure because him, he's a lying sack of shit. Of course. So like him saying anything, you're like, take that with about a ton of salt because their brains are

so fucked up. They want to take critical credit for killing more people. But now DNA has

definitively linked him. They were able to find one, basically one instance of male DNA that matched him. Wow. That was found on her body. So it makes you, like, I hope the family feel some sense of, I know closure is not really a real bad, but I hope they find something where that they have answers now. But then at the same time to find out that your loved one was killed by Ted Diody. I don't, I think that would send you for like a whole new loop. Well, that's a thing. I

while he was she killed, which you knew she was, you didn't know who, and now to find out that he's one of the most infamous serial killers in history. And you know, just how evil he is. And you

“found all the stories about what he's done to other people. And like, that must be, yeah, a whole different thing. And honestly, I hope they're”

they're able to stick together and get through it. And that was rough. That really is awful. But yeah, I just had to mention that because I was a really big deal that is absolutely. With that, we will get into our case for today, which is it's harrowing, but survivor story. But it has a happy ending. Okay. And it really is a story about a community come in the fuck together. I will tell you that. I know what case you're telling me today. I don't know anything about this. Yeah. Elena and Mikey, it's before my time. Elena and Mikey,

we're talking about it. And they were like, you don't remember this. And I was like, no, guys. Well, I was like, oh, yeah, it was like, and it was honestly, it was 1987. So I was only a couple of years old. Damn. But you remember it like, but I remember like the, because they, I'm sure they talked about it in the years, a lot in the years after that. And like, you would see the news coverage. Yeah, all that stuff. So I wasn't cognizant of it. Well, it was happening. But I remember seeing it

“afterwards. I mean, like, oh, shit. Yeah. I hadn't heard about this until you guys put it up. We're talking”

about the, the rescue of baby Jessica McClure. A lot of people who were born in the 80s and 70s, especially are going to be like, oh, yep, baby Jessica. Okay. So I know this one. But it's man. It's a harrowing story. Yeah. I actually just saw someone. I was like, what a weird coincidence. Because I decided to do this case. And then I saw someone on TikTok. This like, mom, who was just sitting there explaining the story to her daughter. Oh, really? And she was telling it in this like really great. I was like,

damn, I'll listen to the whole story when you call it anary tale. And her daughter was like, this didn't happen. Like, that's not real. And she was like, no, it really happened. Like, I'm telling you. And it was so funny to hear somebody be like, what? That didn't really happen. It's like, no, it's like, no, it didn't. That's also so weird when you decide to do a case. And then it's just like, it pops even if you don't say it out loud, that often it comes on your timeline. You're like,

yeah, because I wasn't really talking about this. No, we didn't talk about it at all. So it's weird that

“it just came up. It makes you feel like life is a simulation. It really does. It's very weird. I like,”

I'm, I don't like the outside of this simulation, but like, I like my homies. You're like very insulated, um, simulation, you like, yeah, like, I like, I like you. I like my husband and like my family, most of my family. My very micro, um, simulation is nice. Yeah. I don't know about all that. The all the rest of it, I'm like, can you simulate something else? Yeah, can we, can we aid

in that simulation somehow? If anybody, if my simulator is listening. Yeah, you know, I always like to

say things to my FBI, Jen, who tries to scroll away from a specific TikTok. Does that happen to you? Yeah. You'll be watching something and that is like, what? Nope. And you're like, oh, babe, sometimes I'm like, hey, no, I'm watching that. That's happening a lot to me, like you know, a lot lately. A lot lately. And it's also, I'm like the most innocuous videos. I'm like, let me watch this person organize their pantry. It's watching a lady Easter egg Easter egg. I was going to

say Easter egg die. Yeah. It was watching this lady die Easter eggs with her kids, and they were like, nope, not for you, for you. Okay, I guess no. Uh, all jokes come up. Yeah, somebody's going to be like, how dangerous one of us. Um, but let's begin with who, um, who the family is, who Jessica's parents. Okay. Okay. So her parents were Chip and Reba McClure. Chip and Reba.

Chip and Reba. On immediately side for the story, say no more. And you know, things had never been

like super easy for Chip and Reba, but they hadn't been like awfully different. They should be easy for Chip and Reba. Those are whole semesters. They have a very like relatable story. I feel like for a lot of people. Okay. Um, in 1987, they were new parents, but they were barely adults themselves. They had both only recently turned 18 years old. Okay. Uh, they had met years earlier and started dating in high school. And Rehats. It's the high school sweethats. And Reba had become pregnant in

1986, and they had both dropped out of school. Yeah. Chip found work doing manual labor around Midland, Texas, but had been looking for something more reliable that would allow him to support his family independently. Since they both left school, they received like a good amount of financial and emotional support from Chip's parents. Nice. Um, who like many people around town had done while financially during Midland's oil boom in previous decades. You know, I love an oil boom.

Right. So Chip later said, we didn't know we were poor. We feel like we just, we never felt it.

Yeah. Um, with his parents kind of helping out with his income. Chip and Reba had been able to afford a small apartment and helped pay the bills. Nice. Uh, he said money was never an issue. So it seemed like they knew that like they were kind of working hard for everything,

That's a working, yeah. That's core. Compared to other people in Midland, which had fallen into

“a recession since the oil bust of the mid 1980s, they were doing pretty well, but they were still”

teenage parents. Yeah. That's a lot. And that was never going to be easy for babies.

Are fucking expensive. Yeah. Chip had always been a good student and he had a lot of promise. He was very smart. He said, by the time I got to high school, I kind of found my groove and was a little less of a nerd. And I kind of liked high school. Reba on the other hand was a little less enthusiastic about school and being pregnant only made things much more difficult. Yeah. I'm sure you're like very self-conscious. Yeah. Chip said being pregnant, she really was having a rough time.

Which I can imagine. School is hard anyways. I can't imagine how many get through it while pregnant. No. And girls are so mean to each other anyways. No. Be nicer to each other ladies. Exactly. So it was Reba who decided to drop out of school first to focus on the pregnancy. And you know, starting to raise a baby. Yeah. But it was a long before Chip himself was considering

“the same option. He said, I took my GED without even studying in past. Holy shit. Then I just”

went to work. It was the right thing to do. Okay, Chip. Damn, Chip. Once he found work in Jessica, baby Jessica was born, things started to calm down and they settled into a routine. I love what a 90's name, Jessica. Oh, Jessica, Jennifer. Yeah. Or Ashley. Or all the same name. Yeah. And Brittany. Yep. So thanks to Chip's father's share of oil,

ruralities, Jessica never wanted for anything. Oh, good. In that generosity was frequently extended to

Chip and Reba. Nice. I'm Chip later said we weren't living paycheck to paycheck. Which is again. Huge. What good parents do? They're helping their kids like that. Their kids in their ring. Not everybody goes through that same thing when they find themselves young and pregnant. Definitely not. We've all seen the show in college. Exactly. Then in 1987, tragedy struck when Chip's older brother Rod died of illness. It was in May. And around the same time, the daycare center where Reba was

“employed had to close down. Oh, shit. The closure meant that not only was Reba now out of a job,”

but the parents who were using that daycare, they were out of child care. Yeah. So Reba's sister, Jamie Moore and Reba, she had also worked at the daycare. They both were like, what can we do to help people? Because like, all these people just lost their daycare. Yeah, but they all have to work. Right. So they were like, what can we do to help with this? So they agreed to have kind of like

their own daycare at the house. But basically it was like, they will just watch these kids kind of like a

makeshift like the two of them. People could drop the kids off at Jamie's house, the sister, and we'll just watch them until these parents can find a better solution. Okay. That's really no less. That's community right there. That's pretty rad. So to make matters worse, though, Chip was growing a little frustrated by the lack of consistency in his work as a day labor. Yeah, it is really interesting. For months, he had been talking to the owner of the sportsman's

den, which was a local sporting goods store. And basically this guy was like, oh yeah, I have a job. I'm going to hire you. Oh, but he kept kind of like stringing him along. Yeah. And by October, the owner of that place was still dragging his feet. So Chip just continued working as a day labor until Moore was coming through. On the morning of October 14th, 1987, Chip was working as part of a painting crew. He was painting a big apartment complex in Midland when he heard the news announced that a

child had fallen into a well somewhere in Miss West Midland. And rescue workers were trying to get her out. Oh, shit. Chip literally remembers hearing that and thinking those poor people. Oh. And it wasn't until two hours later, well, Chip was eating his lunch back at the office of the painting company that the wife of the company owner told him, Chip, I don't know how to tell you this. Your daughter fell into a well and pull the uply softwares on the way to pick you up. Oh, my.

And he was like, I'm sorry, what? That's my daughter. Oh, my God. Yeah. Also, just think like, this is such a different time period. And like his wife couldn't frankly call him. Exactly. And poor Riba, like her daughter is in a well. And she can't get in touch with the family or their father. Like it's not like she can just call him on the cell phone or something. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Horrifying. Now, for Riba, the morning of October 14th had started, like any other day too, the since the

day care and shut down, especially. She arrived early at Jamie's house with Jessica and began greeting the other parents as they dropped off their children before heading to their jobs or whatever they needed to do. Around 10 a.m. Riba was outside of the backyard watching the children play when she heard the phone ring. Since the yard was fenced in and she was still able to see the children from the kitchen window, she went inside and answered the phone. When Riba came back a few minutes later,

she saw several of the children near the back end of the yard standing around a well in Jamie's yard. Oh, no. The well had been drilled in the yard about 15 years earlier, but as far as Jamie knew, it had been used in at least 15 years. And in the weeks and months after this whole thing,

it had been capped professionally. Like a professional came in and actually capped it. Or if it was

“just simply covered, which is a little different. Yeah. But you know, according to Lunsford and these”

are people that will obviously be linked in the show notes, accounts vary on whether the well opening had been covered with a rock or a flower pot. Oh, okay. So it might not have been professionally capped, but what is still capped on the line? I don't know that. Oh, this is all just conjecture. It remains unknown exactly what happened in the couple of minutes that Riba was in the house on the phone. But in that time, Jessica had wandered over to the well and fallen about 20 feet into the

eight inch wide hole in the ground. Eight inches. Yeah. At first, Riba called the kids away from the

well and then she realized she didn't see Jessica. Oh my god. Her moment of sheer terror was only exacerbated. Seconds later when she heard little cries of mommy, mommy, from 20 feet down in the ground and realized Jessica was trapped in the well. And how old is she? She's like 18 months old. Oh my god.

“Riba told her a reporter later, I didn't know what to do. I just ran in and called the police.”

They were there within three minutes, but it felt like a life time sure. This story gets hair away. I was going to say it already is. Now the first person to arrive on the scene was Midland Police Officer BJ Hall. And when he flashed his light down the well, it was too dark. He couldn't see anything. And he later recalled in like a, I think it was a 2025 interview, actually. He said, I called the baby's name three or four

times and didn't hear anything. Finally, I got a cry and response. We didn't know how deep she

was until we lowered a tape hook to a flashlight into the hole. Although it seemed impossible, it turned out that Jessica had somehow managed to fit into the eight inch pipe and fallen exactly 22 feet down. The pipe actually went down a lot further than that, but Jessica had come to a stop in a crouching position into a section of the hall, the well that had been eroded from runoff to become between 11 and 14 inches. Oh, one leg was pinned above her forehead. Oh,

“so that's how she was stopped. Below her. Yeah. Below her, the pipe narrowed to six inches. So it”

would have been impossible for her to go further, but still she had made it down pretty

much smaller far down. Enter her leg is stuck in that position above her head, which is not good

for blood flow. No. Now, when Officer Hall realized how serious this situation was, he called the station and asked for a rescue team to be assembled and dispatched to the house. A short time after that, the team, which had Midland Police and Fire Officers, as well as utility and state highway workers arrived at the house, followed by a large, or actually at this point, it was more like a medium number of local reporters and photographers. They had all heard the news on the scanner.

Now, Chip McClure, remembers arriving at the house a little after 1230 pm. Still confused and pretty dazed by the news? Yeah, he's probably in shock. As far as he knew, his wife and daughter weren't even supposed to be at Jamie's house that day. So he was like, this just felt like unfathomable that this was not like all the fact they weren't even supposed to be there. As soon as he got there, he felt a hand on his shoulder and heard the deep voice of Midland Police Chief Richard Check,

who said, "Don't worry, son, we'll have her out there out of there before too long." Oh, you know, by that time, rescue workers had lowered a light camera and microphone into the well, which gave them the ability to not only see and hear Jessica, but also to see the space where she was stuck. Okay. Unfortunately, a lot of the cameras view was obscured by a pile of bamboo leaves that the children had dropped down the well after she fell. It was later explained

that they were young. So it was later explained that they'd been playing a game of throwing things into the well and then Jessica fell in and they just continued to throw things in the well until they realized that like, oh, she's not coming out. Oh, no. Like they were young. Like they didn't understand like, oh, she's just going to come out. Like the no. Now before they could attempt any kind of rescue emergency workers had a lot of things to think about here. Thanks to the microphone,

they were now able to know that Jessica could tell them herself that she was not harmed in any acutely danger. She was like 18 months old. Yeah, she's she's saying like, I'm okay. You know, like, I'm not bleeding like that. Yeah. But the position she stuck with one leg essentially raised above her head, that's where it caused problems with blood flow, depending along. She said that

you really have to worry about in Texas, very often. But the temperature in the well would have been

“a lot cooler than that of the surface. Okay. So there was a risk. And in order to test that,”

the sergeant Andy and we're all going to have to get past this name because we're adults. Okay. Are we sergeant Andy Glasscock? You're asking me to get past. I just need to get it out. Everybody. Hey. I'm going to give everybody listening right now. A moment. Just get it. We're not a non of a sergeant. A moon. We're to a funny last name. We're not a poor handy. No, not a doven rough. No, not a sergeant. A moon to a funny last name. And if you are,

then you are better than I am. And man. Um, but okay. So there it is. You got your moment. Okay. Andy Glasscock is here. And he lowered a plastic thermometer down into the well. And he got a temperature reading of 65 degrees. Okay. So that temperature, it was not life-threatening. Yeah. That's not so bad. But it was going to get colder as the day went on, and especially after dark. Yeah. But just, and nobody thought they would be there after dark, but they were like,

you know what? Which, again, they really, this seemed like it was handled very well. That's good. Like this, they didn't hesitate on anything, which is like really impressive at this time.

One, especially, it doesn't always happen in cases like, no. And it's like, and this, so they,

they were like, you know what? I don't think she's going to be in there after dark. We want to get her the fuck out of there really fast. But they were like, we need to do something to just have in place. So someone placed a call to the Southwestern Bell Telephone Company office, and a short time later, a large truck arrived with fans that blew low currents of warm air down the. Well, that was a hot air blasting at her. It was just like, nice warm air, just warm air.

So she would not start shivering and like, you know. And Andy said, I'm so many. Yeah. And he said, everything we asked for, we got in minutes. Nice. It really was the, the super fast and prompt attention from the local community that turned this from a potential tragedy. Yeah. Into a national moment of like straight up unity. Like, it's, yeah. When you hear how everyone came together and who just volunteered to do things, it's like damn, it almost,

especially with the way the world is right now. It like, it like had me almost in tears, because I was like, I just want life to be like that again. I know. We're like people just, which I know there are like, that's the thing. I know there are like, if you look hard enough, people are there for each other and people jump in for each other and people do this. We're just in a time where more harrowing terrible. Yeah, examples are being there. And I think like with social

media, we're like so bombarded with the worst of people. Yeah. That we got to a daily basis. Like, like so much so that like will post this episode. And I'm like, I hope everyone's nice.

Yeah. Because it's like, you know, I mean, like, what you guys usually are, you always get that,

“like one asshole who pops in just to be a dick. Yeah. But it's like, that's what it's like,”

this, you can't, you can't look around and not see negativity. Yeah. And you trustiness. You can't always depend on humanity. So it's nice to see examples where they could. Exactly. So it's like, I just want us to be there again where you're like, you're, where you're shocked by, like, negativity. You know what I mean? Like, where you're just like, what the fuck is this person doing? We're now, I feel like it's just, you're like, oh, well, we're going to get some asshole who

does has a bad day and wants to take it out on everybody. It's the anonymity of everything. So it's like the social media. I just feel like I'm hoping, I keep seeing like that pendulum swinging the other way. I know. I know. I'm just not putting up with that anymore. Yeah. And seeing the dangers of it. And I'm hoping that I keep swinging. I hope so too. Because you're all great. Really a lot. But yeah. So this really is one of those things, though that you're just like,

“damn, I love a story like this will. This will honestly, it'll make you say I wish things were”

like this, but then it will make you say, but if I look hard enough, it is like there are people like this. So because none of the adults had seen Jessica fall into the well, they had no idea

how she'd managed to get that far down in the first place. But what they did know is that,

however, she got in was definitely not the way they could get her out. Right. I was just too far down after about an hour. After BJ Hall had arrived at the scene, where crews had attempted to drill a wider hole in order to reach her. Okay. But the vibrations from the drilling had caused her to slip a little further. So although the pipe beneath her, like we said before, was too narrow for her to really fall too much deeper. They were worried that, you know, any further drilling

at the site might have collapsed the well entirely. And that would kill Jessica. Yeah, absolutely. So based on their early experience with drilling, it became pretty clear to rescue

Basically, any attempt to drill down into the earth with standard construction tools could make the

“situation fatal to be honest. The first problem was the way she was positioned, it made it impossible”

to pull her directly up and out because of her legs. Because of her legs, she was just wedged in a weird way. In the more significant problem, though, was geology. Yeah, essentially directly underneath the pretty soft sandy soil that was above the water table in the ground. There was a deep layer of limestone bedrock that had developed during an extremely dry period. That was, oh, I don't

know, roughly 100 million years earlier. So that layer of rock had developed and compressed to the point

over a hundred million years that it literally couldn't be penetrated by common drill bits. That makes sense. Just couldn't. So not only would the repeat attempts result in an endless stream of broken and burned out drill bits, but they would cause small tremors in the ground and each one would destabilize an already really precarious situation in the well. Yeah, that's

“not great. I also don't like I was in like geology class again. Yeah, let's talk about bedrock. Yeah.”

Now, as the day war on and it became apparent that things were going to be longer than they originally thought. The rescue team now had new things to think about. Okay. Using a 40-foot rigging drill, they determined they could dig a parallel shaft down into the earth. Okay. Right next to the

well. And then tunnel across and up to access Jessica from below. Okay, even not as like wild

aggressive. Yeah. That would be a difficult job under normal circumstances, but in this case, they're going to have to move agonizingly slow to not disturb as they can cause the tremors. Yeah. So yeah, they couldn't make that happen. So rescuers had to move incredibly slow drilling about four inches per hour. Oh my god. And stopping every few minutes to make sure everything was stable and that Jessica was still doing okay. Four inches per hour. Yeah.

“At that rate, it would take more than three days to reach her. Assuming they worked around”

the clock. How is that even doable? It's well, no one thought it was going to take that long, but it would take longer than expected. They were like, no, we're going to make this happen. It's like she's going to be starving and like dehydrated. Well, definitely dehydrated. You can go that long without eating. Won't feel good, but like just such a little problem. She's a bit me. I know. So they had solved the issue of hypothermia with the fans from southwestern bell.

But now that she was expected to be down in the well for at least a day or more, yeah. There were more risks now. Given the scope of what they were planning to undertake here, it was no longer just a matter of Jessica's safety. Although some of the men at the scene were experienced in mining are working in the small spaces, working in such a small space meant that air was going to be limited not just for Jessica, but for everybody else. So you wouldn't think of

that. Yeah. Like that, who would have thought of that? So to ensure the proper flow of oxygen, they lowered air hoses into the well and into the parallel shaft as well, which connected to a rescue vehicle on the surface that was providing oxygen. Wow. That's fascinating. Yeah. You know, by that afternoon, several other experts have been called to the scene, including several mining experts flown to the scene from Carl's bat on a private jet paid for by Midland oil.

Wow. And Dr. Chip Clunic, an emergency room doctor from nearby Midland Memorial Hospital, who shit. While the mining experts were kind of helping to come up with the best strategy to

dig this second shaft, the parallel one. Yeah. The doctor was on hand to provide insight on how to

make sure Jessica was going to be okay from the surface. Right. Obviously, the most pressing issues were related to, you know, oxygen. We were talking about food and water. The matter of oxygen was now settled and it was unlikely that Jessica was going to starve. Yeah. It wasn't again, not great, but she wasn't going to starve to death. So that left hydration. Right. Because that's the more pressing one. At first emergency workers planned to send a bottle of water down the shaft.

But that plan was called off when Dr. Clunic pointed out, which was very smart of him to point out that they had no way of knowing whether she had suffered any internal injuries. And that could be highly exacerbated by consuming food or drink. Oh, shit. Instead, he suggested they hold off and sending anything else to Jessica. But added that they would need to reconsider if it went on for very much longer. Okay. But he's trying to, he's like, I, that might not make their death

much worse. And Midland police, you know, Midland police spokesman Jim White told reporters. The emergency room doctor at the scene said the baby can last as long as 36 hours. We hope it doesn't take that long. Yeah. Now they're on like a time clock. Yeah. A big time. By the next morning,

crawling with emergency workers or porters onlookers. There were three major networks, ABC, CBS,

and NBC, and their local affiliates, as well as the newly established cable news network CNN. Newly established. Wow. Yeah. It only did an operation for seven years. That's quite easy. And they had not found like a foothold really in the television market, which is wild.

“I think you have that is. Since the, you know, since television news had kind of happened like”

four or what like four decades before this, viewers had become accustomed to getting their morning news from the local papers. Okay. And the evening news came via the evening additions and the local and national night nightly news. So it's like, you know, you got a little bloops of news. You didn't get a button around the clock news. Maybe that was the secret. I remember so vividly, like, my parents just watched in the nightly news. It was not on. We did not have a news station

on in our house all day because there wasn't one. Like, it just, they sat down. They got a little digest of what was going on in the world. And then that was it. You weren't bombarded with every single thing that is happening in the world. And you can see them all to me. Because like my whole life, I just remember news was on in the morning. News was on in the afternoon. Yeah. News was on at night. It is in my personal, it's just my opinion. Yeah. I think it's so, I think it's so much better

for your nervous things. I don't think we need to know anything at all the time. I don't want to know no, everything that's going on. I take news breaks. I need to, it's, if I go in vacation,

“I take a full break from the news. You just go a little digestible. We'll, we'll appetizer, you know?”

But yeah, it was rough. So basically few people saw the need for around the clock news channel,

because they were like, "No, this is work of pretty well. We don't need to know." Because as far as most people were concerned at this point in time in the 80s, there could possibly be that many news stories that required such a high level of ongoing coverage. Wow. They were like, "Why do I need that?" That's like nuts. What the channel needed was an opportunity to prove its value to viewers in the story of Baby Jessica, CNN, President Ted Turner saw precisely that. Yeah.

Who was it? The reporter Mark Grown wrote in 2021, "The ongoing developments of a living, breathing, baby, trapped helplessly underground would help shape a 24-hour news cycle that people could connect with at any moment of the day." He. Yeah. Well, the story was certainly enough to capture the attention and obviously the sympathies of the entire fucking nation. The factor of maiden that the rescue operation itself was so fucking slow that there wasn't even

that many updates. I was getting worse still trying to get her out of the well. We got four more inches into the ground. Yep, we're getting there. Instead, the press focused on the human story at the center of the, I'm sure, yeah. They talked to family members, neighbors, members of the community who had pitched into help. Pat Brister, who was one of the neighbors, told her a reporter, "You don't get tears as long as there's hope." Yeah. It's nice. Their common underscores,

how invested everyone had come in this rescue effort. Like another neighbor, Max and Spray, described for reporters how the whole thing had unfolded, and they said, "My God, Jessica's

“fallen into a well." And he said that, "I can just remember Reba, like my neighbor saying,”

"By Baby is fallen into a well." And he said, "She was hysterical. She was yelling, but I would too. That's her child." When they ran out of neighbors and family members to talk to, reporters shifted to talking to the rescuers who were not actively trying to rescue Jessica at the moment. Like the neighbors and onlookers, the rescuers also emphasized that there was this

spirit of hope and community that they had never seen before, and that reporters just couldn't

get enough of. Yeah. Oscar Robinson, who was the owner of a local excavation company, told reporters how he volunteered his equipment as soon as he heard about the emergency. And that was like a big sacrifice for him because he was losing thousands of dollars a day by not renting those machines. I'm sure. But he didn't mind. And when they asked him about it, he said, "I have grandchildren of my own." Oh, and I was like, "He said, "That's a baby of mine. That's my baby down there."

Oh. Now those who didn't have any particular expertise to offer, still gathered around the property to just stand vigil and show their support. One supporter said, "I've got a grandson here that's just about twice as old as that little girl. I can feel for that moment." Oh, several people visited the site a bunch of times throughout the day, either to check on the progress or just to show support for the family. Midland resident Hettie Bohannon said,

"I've just been praying, praying constantly." She and a friend had stopped by the site twice on the 15th to be with their community and she said, "I couldn't imagine it happening to me." Now it's not difficult to understand why, you know, this would capture people's attention. It's the emergency rescue of a baby in distress. But the response was a lot greater than

the real-time live images made them feel present right there with that child and her parents

“in this horrific situation. People felt that by watching they were helping with some viewers”

even skipping work to watch TV until they knew she was rescued. It was like a bait like no one could

take even a second out of their day to not, they were like we need to not see the end of this.

I need to see her rescued before I can like lay my head. Oh, no. While the crew of rescue or workers drilled down to reach Jessica, Reba Chip and countless others did their best to just keep her distracted and occupied because they could just leave her in there like, no one talking to her. When Jessica wasn't napping or crying, oh, she could be heard singing verses of Winnie the Poo to herself. Stop. I'm going to make something on a cry. I just got like a lump in my throat.

She's just like, like, like, self-solving. Or she was just talking to her mom. Which I love what either, who's so right to detect a Bill C. Go told her a reporter on the afternoon of

“October 15th. She's done a little crying, a little singing. I would say 80% of the time she was”

either crying or making some kind of noise we could hear. And then our friend Andy there said, when we weren't calling words of encouragement, we tell her to sing for us. Oh, which like, Andy, I'm done. Yeah, sing with you. I'm the girl. In the early morning hours of October 16th,

the slow, meticulous drilling, finally paid off a little. Okay. My sunrise, the rescue crew managed

to dig about six feet lower than where Jessica was stuck. Then they dug slightly across up and across. Okay. Drilling out an 18 inch hole into the old well. The achievement came as a surprise to the worker operating the drill who didn't expect success to be honest. Uh, spokesman Jim White said he was leaning against not particularly expecting to get through this time and all of a sudden it gave nice. Now the hole in the wall the well gave them access to Jessica,

“but still didn't get them enough room to get her out. Okay. The second shaft was only about”

14 inches wide and given the position Jessica was stuck in. There wasn't a lot of room for the rescuer to reposition her. Okay. So as it was, there was only one man at the scene who was paramedic Robert O'Donnell, who slender enough to fit into the hole that led to Jessica. Andy later said it's so damn frustrating when you can hear her down there and you can't do anything about it. Right. And he was the one that was trying to get her out of the well, Robert O'Donnell,

and he was able to get down there. He just couldn't shimmy her out. Right. And that first failure to free Jessica from the well came as just a wild disappointment to everyone. But Robert O'Donnell took it the hardest at that moment. From the moment rescue workers arrived at the scene days earlier, at this point stress and pressure had been building and everyone was just emotionally and physically exhausted. They knew what it meant if they couldn't get Jessica. Yeah. And for O'Donnell,

their first failed attempt was just so crushing. He was sitting on the curb and he just broke down sobbing. And he told his wife she's right there. I can't get to her. I can't imagine everyone's to touch me on me and I can't get her. Yeah, that's a lot of pressure. And it's like that just like shatters my soul. And it's like a baby is right there. And she's in pain and her leg is stuck. And she has an eating and like poor little babe. Yeah, poor rescuers. It's just it's an impossible

situation. And it's like you can hear like our guy and D being like, she's right there. Right, we can hear, we can see her and we just can't get her. Right. And then he's saying the same thing, Robert O'Donnell. He's like, I can literally touch her. Right. And I can't get her out. Right. And if I don't get her out, she's going to die in a well. Yeah. And her parents did it all on that. And he feels like it's somehow like his responsibility, even though he's being very brave

going down there in the first place. Yeah. Now at the time, several of the paramedics and doctors at the scene questioned whether it was wise for O'Donnell to get back in the shaft a second time because he is, he had experienced such an emotional shift. At that point, he was like, inconsolable. Yeah. But no one was willing to hold him back either. And he wasn't having it. Okay. According to Lance Lundford, those who knew O'Donnell best say this was the moment that changed his

life. He would never be the same person again. Now, it wasn't just O'Donnell who first felt defeated.

Nearly everyone at the scene started to wonder whether hope and effort at this point had been for absolutely nothing. Yeah. CNN's Tony Clark said as the hours went on, you thought the chances of her surviving were less and less. From the moment the rescue effort began, everyone seems super

to get Jessica out. But by the third day, confidence was starting to slip and people were beginning

“to accept that it was possible that she may die in that well. Oh my god. Now, on the evening of”

October 17th, Robert O'Donnell went back into the shaft and crawled through the hole that led to Jessica. And this time, he brought several jars of KY jelly with him like Vaseline. Okay. And he reached in with his his arms and he started slathering it all over the walls of the well, hoping that it would free her from her position a little better and not have her like scratch against things. Right. But and this is just like for I'm so glad that he's such like a good human. Like

he has such a good human heart because like no, I wouldn't have thought of this either. He said when he pulled on her foot, her shoe came off in his hand and he heard Jessica say no. And she began kicking her foot at him like no. And it occurred to him, she had no fucking clue what was happening. Yes, absolutely. Oh my god. She probably thinks it's like a monster. Yeah. He's like, he has no idea what is below her trying to grab her. Yeah. So he stopped his grabbing and he reached

“up to touch her face so she could feel his human hand. Oh. And he called out to her using the”

family nickname that they used for which was juicy. She's so cute. Oh my god. I am already looked at pictures. The cutest role man. So you're saying like using her nickname and like showing

her that like he's a human being. Yeah. It's right. And like I'm trying to help you. Finally,

after pulling for a few minutes Jessica slipped through the hole in the side of the well and into Robert original saying what a good man. It like gave me I was like, what a great man. Now on the surface there was a moment of panic as the microphone went dead and no one could hear Jessica anymore because she was just chattering away before. Yeah. And Andy remembers thinking in that moment, hold my god she might be dead. Right. Then there was this huge surge of like just triumph when

though Donald emerged from the shaft and handed Jessica off to a paramedic Steve Forbes. After 58 hours in a well Jessica McClure was finally free. 58 hours. 58 hours. That is beyond. Unthinkable and little baby girl. Not even what is 18 months. That's barely over a year. It was going to say that's not is that too? Hello. No. No. That's 24. 24 is too. Yeah. Clearly I'm not a mother. Yeah. Then you'll

start counting in months after that. Exactly. Now when the moment finally came this big cheer erupted

from the hundreds of rescue workers and on luckers who had waited anxiously for this moment, Jessica was carried to a nearby ambulance where Reba waited and they were rushed to Midland Memorial hospital and her father was close behind the police car. And although she had managed to survive, she was not without injury. Yeah. Her leg has been over her head that long. Well and she's lost. She lost 15% of her body fluids and she was seriously dehydrated. Yeah. I knew that.

Her oxygen levels were low despite what they were trying to do. And more importantly, because of the loss of circulation in her leg, she had developed gangrene in her foot. Oh shit. And the emergency room doctors were concerned they would need to amputate her leg. Oh no. Before I knew that though, she was placed in a hyperbaric chamber where oxygen was forced in her lungs essentially. And it would be several days before they knew whether or not

they were going to be able to do surgery. That was too much so scary for me too because now she's just another chamber. Exactly. Yeah. Now outside of Midland, it seemed like the entire world had stopped to celebrate. Jessica's rescue across the United States, all the major networks interrupted their regular broadcast to announce that the girl had made it out of the well alive. Oh. Proving that all the community support Nefert had indeed made a difference.

And CBS's Bruce Hall said, "It's events like this that restore your faith in humanity." Yeah. You can literally feel the love and prayers for this little girl. Oh no. Now in the hours after that, regular progress updates about Jessica's condition were announced as soon as they came in. Dr. Carolyn Rode said in a press conference that evening, considering everything Jessica's been through. She's a very spunky little girl and she's doing

great. Oh I love that. Yeah. What a queen. She also described the extent of Jessica's injuries. She had dropped from 21 pounds to a little over 17. Wow. She had some scrapes and bruises and she said there is a danger that she could lose the right foot. Okay. Oh, a lot. Now it's just out of the foot. Now it's down to the foot. And she spent more than a month in the hospital where she was stabilized and received several skin grafts after surgeons, imputated just her little toe on her

right foot. Okay. They were able to do that. I don't even think we need a little toe. They were able to say, I mean, it's good to have for stabilization. Yeah. You know, you know, you know, so they were able to save the rest of her leg, though. The leg was saved. Her foot was saved.

“Just the little toe, which I think she'll take at this. I also think you should get a discount on”

pedicure. That's nine toes. No, she does. Yeah. They should be giving her the amount and your

is as much about the media and audiences as it is about this little baby girl trapped in your

“best situation. In the wake of her rescue, Jessica became kind of a celebrity appearing at local events”

and online programs and even taking a trip to the White House to meet then president George W. Bush in 1989. W. When Ronald Reagan reflected on the event, he said, everybody in America became godmothers and godfathers of Jessica while this was going on. Yeah. While the story of baby Jessica had a

happy ending, it wasn't always so positive. Oh, some conservative politicians use this accident.

That's an opportunity to attack working mothers. Nice. That's awesome. Pretty, pretty great. Love to see that using Jessica's experiences and example of negligence and the many dangers of daycares. Oh, fuck off. Which I don't do that. No. Her mama was right there. It can out. This kind of shit can happen in a blink. Oh, my kids are really good in this shit. Yeah. So easily, you look away for one second, which is everybody has had that exactly. Not this. Yeah. But obviously,

but it's something up and where you're like, fuck. Yeah. It was a convergence of events that was just, you know, a tough situation. Yeah. Now back in Midland, resentment grew between some of the rescuers and the volunteers as well. Basically arguing who who had more of a, of a, of a guy's you are together and you figured it out. Yeah. Pat yourselves on the back and go about life. Yeah. Like, they, the two groups eventually formed their own associations and went on to have a pretty

public fight over the television rights to the story. What the fuck? So, like, people are always

gonna be both that same. I'm like, why can you guys just appear together? Robert O'Donnell told the New York Times, I hate to see it split the rescuers. Like, yeah. But our story is the real story.

“We were the major players. Oh, okay. So, like, he's saying, like, I think he's also saying, like,”

this sucks that it's being split. Yeah. I think he's also probably like, hey, I went down and I went in the same way. Like, if I was Robert O'Donnell, I'd be like, you guys can all shut up because it was me. But most tragic of all is O'Donnell himself who is very quiet and very private before the incident. Oh. His rescue of Jessica thrust him into the spotlight and made him an American hero. Yeah. Which is a great, everyone's surprise. Robert and Brace does new role as a recognizable hero.

And he, he was fine with the attention of it. Okay. But as a generally the case, the spotlight

eventually fades and people stopped recognizing him. And to make matters worse, he was developing PTSD. I mean, I don't think related to the rescue effort. And he turned to some stuff to cope. He just was struggling. Yeah. That's a lot. A few years later, he was fired from the Midland Fire Department for showing up to work under the influence. Wow. So he was struggling. That's sad. He has a very tragic story. Yeah. In 1993, he moved in with his parents and tried to get

sober and start a new life in Huntsville. He found a job working with prisoners at Ellis unit and things started going in the right direction. He was really going like he was moving on up. Yeah. Unfortunately, though, on the night of April 23, 1993, which is not long after the incident. No. He experienced some kind of emotional setback that remains unclear to those who knew him. And that night after watching the wall to wall coverage of the Oklahoma City bombing on the news.

Oh, which probably some kind of not PTSD. He used his father's shotgun to end his life. Oh, which is like really tragic. Yeah. That's horrific. His brother Ricky said nobody really knew what he had done with the Jessica Rescue down there in Huntsville. And they didn't care. And he didn't like just being a regular person again. Well, because he's not just a regular person. Really tough. I mean, he went through all that emotional shit during the rescue. Right. Where it's like the failure. And then

the triumph and then everybody's in this spotlight. You're a hero and you're this and you're that. And then you're no one. Yeah. That's a law. I don't know. Like that must be a really tough emotional in you're dealing with PTSD from the whole right, which is something that I'm sure a lot of people listening can relate to. Yeah. And it's like that's a fucking demon that is really tough to overcome. And then to get sober and then to sober and then to work with the wall coverage of the strategy that's

happening, which again, I just don't think we're meant to see wall to wall news coverage. Well, I think these are a lot of people. Like, I think when you gain hope, it's such a supercarious because you gain hope. And you're like, oh, I see like all the good in the world. And then one little thing can tear you down.

“And that's that's why. And I'm not meaning for this to be like a PSA of of wall to wall 24”

hour news. No, but it's a theme in the story. But I do think it's like, it shows you that like, we're not meant to see all the horrible shit that's happening into the world. It's just not meant to absorb all of it all time or not. And I know that like, and I'm not trying to say like you need to turn a blind eye and you need to like do all this because that please know that that's not what I'm saying. If that's what you take from this, you took that from this and you're wrong. And that's I'm saying like

something even innocuous or something that could be seemingly innocuous as someone else, that'll just fucking destroy it all. Right. And it's like that's tough. We're only humans. We only have the mind of human beings. We only have the emotional capacity of human beings. And it's okay if it's fucking hard to digest all the shit that's coming in all of this.

“And it's okay to step back a little bit. Yeah. And I also, I do think that's why it's so important”

to have an outlet. Yeah. Like I right now, I'm in such like I've been in such a rut and I'm really turning to like creative outlets to try to, yeah, kind of get out of that rut. And I really do think there's so much importance. Yeah. Like you do have to find something to let yourself go. Yes.

Because shit is bleak. Exactly. Like that's why we're always talking about like romanticizing

little things. Yeah. Like, you know, the soft jazz in the morning and fucking like just pretending you're the main character while you're on a walk. Like a little something that just makes it a little better. Yeah. I just got I got some clay. So I want to start kind of like sculpting. And then I can take you in such a nice, but I can play exactly. And I love like what do they say like idle hands get the devil's play thing. Oh, I don't really love that. But yeah, like don't have

idle hands. Yeah. I don't want to have idle hands. No. Like once something that like can take your mind away and don't feel shame for needing to take you a lot that's the other thing with social media people will make you feel like if you're not fully absorbing everything, you know,

24 hours a day, just being blasted at you like a fire hose. No. They're some kind of shit

person if you need a minute to just like step back. We're not meant to. I don't think you are. I don't want them to. We're not meant to. We're in it. It's okay if you need a minute to sit there and do some clay and watch something silly or just listen to some nice music. Can I play five phone for a little bit? It's okay. Yeah. I just want you to know that because I keep seeing people like just you know, well, you just have to think and emotionally feeling that and it's like

“you have to think there's never been a time where we've just been like we are truly glued to these”

devices. Like they are they are like on our hands 24/7 if you're not in our hands they're in our car like they're with us 24/7 and you got to put that away for a little bit and like disconnecting ground yourself. Yeah. You just got to ground yourself right now and again. Consider it your little moments of analog. Yeah. Just have some analog moments. Yeah. I love that analog moments. Just sit outside, sit in the quiet. Yeah. Just read a book, do a granny hobby, do a little creative. I love a

granny hobby. But make it analog babe. Take away, put your phone somewhere else. Exactly. Just don't you don't have to have like technology going. Nope. Or if like you know like just silly movie or TV show in the back, whatever. But it's like just have your analog moments and don't apologize for it. Just buy them. But I'm here to tell you right now you deserve it. You do. You deserve it. Everybody needs like 100% me time. You deserve it. You're only on this earth for

so long. You deserve your little moments of peace and don't let anyone tell you that you don't exactly. And if somebody is telling you you don't fuck them. Yeah, that's what I have to say about that. Let's go kick them in the game. I've been thinking about it a lot lately. Me too. No, I feel it's actually really getting me. It's really heartbreaking, though. It is. That's the thing. And that's why I feel so horrible for Robert or Donald. Because he was a hero. He was. And I think it just

spiraled out of control. And I feel really bad. But as for Jessica, she has literally zero memory. Oh, that's so good. The event that shaped and profoundly affected her entire life. Yeah, that's so good. Oh, she later said, I learned about it when I was four. Okay. And watched it on rescue 9-1-1 at my stepmother's house. Awesome. And she said it was overwhelming. I remember crying. Yeah. And she said, I guess her stepmother was like, you do realize that's about you. Yeah. Like that's your story.

That's you. Your baby Jessica. Right. And her dad said we were waiting until she was a little bit older to tell her. Yeah. And she has since then read a great deal about the rescue operation.

“Now, let's be such a mind-fuck because you don't remember that. But you're like, oh,”

I'm watching me. Well, and that's, and she said it still feels remote. I'm sure it doesn't feel like it's her. And she said, it didn't affect me the way it affected other people. I lived it, but I didn't watch it. That's gotta be wild. Which is so weird. And after the incident, a trust

fund was established in the amount of 1.2 million from donations made by people all around

the world. Nice. As she grew older, she was, which, like, getting together, people. She was occasionally picked on by her classmates. For what? If you're picking on somebody for falling in love with a team and then being rescued, how do you even, like, what's the material? Yeah, that's what I feel like, oh my god. Oh my god, you felt too well. Oh, just, just got

She's a national treasure at this point. Like, baby Jessica, don't. If you're making fun of baby Jessica, get out of here. You're like, fuck you, why are you not in Texas? But she has a pretty positive outlook on good thing. She graduated from high school in 2004, which I said, yeah, you said, same girl said, yeah, girl. And the following year, she married Danny Morales, whom she met through her sister and loved love. He was 13 years old and in 1987, and remembered watching the

coverage on television. And he said, they stopped the whole game to say, baby Jessica had been rescued. It was pretty cool. Oh my god, today little did he know that was his wife's life for life. And today they have two children who are now old enough to learn about the incident in school. When she

was asked what lessons she hopes her kids take away from the story, she said to always be humble

“and to remember that if you look hard enough, there's so many good people in the world. Oh,”

and I think that is such a good perfect place to have. That's a good way to look at that, because like we were talking about, it's so easy to see the bad. Yeah, so easy. But I like it's being look hard enough. The bad is being launched at you. Like like a teacher. And then, yeah, 24/7. Y'all, and I know that's overwhelming. It is. I feel it. It is. But if you look hard enough, and only tunnel vision your way into some good, you will see it. You will. It's everywhere.

Do you know what else is good? What? I remembered the fun fact this time. Because, yeah. Okay, so sorry. I think we've missed the fun fact the last couple of times. It's because this is new

and sometimes we're just dinguses. I think we just thought that we were doing that. Because of the

war zone of viral plague that has been happening in my house and around us lately. I think we just got a little like overwhelmed and it just did not occur to me. It didn't occur not to do them. Yeah, so thank you for reminding us. And I promise we will not forget again. I'm bad. Well, I'm not going to promise that because we might forget again. But we'll do it. I'm going to put like a little thing up that tells us. Oh, wow. I'll send it on my list. Listen to the image. I'm not going to let

you down again. Well, listener. Such a copper cord. And I'm like, we might let you down again. Like we won't. Um, this is the best fun fact. So I don't even know if we need like we might just read this fun fact to show forever. The oldest living land animal on earth is a 192-year-old tortoise named Jonathan.

It's the Jonathan. It's the Jonathan. It's the Jonathan. A 190-year-old turtle named Jonathan.

And he just said, I am. So wait, when was he born? 1026-192-1834. This fucker was birth. Oh, yeah. And he's just a Roman. What's in a sacred? Tell us. A turtle. Jonathan, if you're listening, tell us your secret. We literally like why do turtles

“live so long ago? I would really like to know back. So I'm like, why are we not taking advantage of this?”

Yeah, we take advantage of everything else as humans. Oh, because they're low stress. This is from Google. It says turtles have exceptionally long lives due to a combination of slow metabolism, low stress lifestyles, and high cellular resistance to aging often referred to as negligible uh, sentence. They quickly repaired DNA resist cancer and protect themselves with hard shells. So it allows them to live for over a hundred years with some species showing very few

signs of aging. Wow. Very interesting. I love really cool stress is a part of that because I feel like that goes a little bit. That was our message. This message so well, because stress will fucking kill you. Your hobby, your granny hobby, can be your hard shell. It really should be your hard shell. I'm hard shellring right now. Yeah, I'm getting hard shellring. I'm torturing right now. Please leave me alone. This is really cool in research indicates that they quickly kill off damage cells.

“Interesting. So that's why they don't really end up getting cancer. I'm knocked out what the you”

wonder what the what the evolutionary process is. The process is called a poppedosis. Oh, yeah. So they yeah, they just resist it. But it's like, why why do they? I don't know. Damn. That's interesting. That is a fun fact. They also take many years to reach sexual maturity and that's why they live longer. Good for them. There's five been for a long time. So they're just kids for long. They get a long child. Maybe that's it. Honestly, I'm 40 and I'm still a kid. So I

I really, I subscribe to that. I subscribe to it too. I subscribe to being youthful as long as humanly possible. Even your adults. I love you so much. At the Boston Aquarium, they're murder the turtle. Oh, murder for life. Love, murder. Yeah, she's a clean, not as old as Jonathan. Yeah, not as old as Jonathan. Wow. What a fun story. What a fun story. I like how it ended happy. That was the fun part. Yeah. I feel if we need it. I remember people made fun of her in school.

That's people fall like don't well when she's a bit of anybody for anything. That's what I mean.

kids, if I ever find out that they've made fun of somebody, yeah, you're going to want to fight a kid.

“I'm, yeah, I'm going to be upset and disappointed in myself. No, I would never find a kid.”

Jesus Christ. Get it. Get a grip. Yeah. Like I know we're just saying it because I don't want to be

new threat unlocked. I'm sure we like it. I'm sure that's aren't even said.

“Nah, we don't. We just love turtles. We don't. No, we don't like it. We just”

turtles and we love being grannies. Yeah. We're like Rita and uh, Rita and Janet.

Rita and Janet. The granny, the grannies. All right, guys. Well, we hope that you keep listening

“and we hope you keep it weird. But not so weird that you don't age like a turtle.”

Yeah, get analog with it. Yay. Have your moments. You deserve it. Hell yeah. I love your image. Unless you're a bitch. Then fuck you. They don't deserve it. But if you're listening right now, she's about to turn off the recorder so I'm going to keep talking. If you're listening right now, you're beautiful and lovely. Because you stuck it out. Love you.

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