The Unbelievable Disappearance of Angela Green

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It is it's almost like the weather knew the weather always knows it feels fault Ober out there

“Hey, it's October and I'm living my life like that. Honestly. It's almost fucking over”

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That's honestly the vibe around here. We're so fun. Let's go. Just shove a pumpkin up here I've already started bacon with pumpkin Don't worry about that. I was moving away from what you were saying I'm already started Figuratively yeah, because I already started baking with pumpkin

I made an apple crisp. It's like they're gonna continue to try to move all it was 90 degrees out and I made beef stew

“That's just it was cold in my house. I was like you're a girl and honestly the girls wanted beef stew”

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I think that's I don't think there's any more

You if you think there's no more business. Elaine is just not telling people that she got number free on the New York Times bestseller list Third time getting on the New York time bestseller list It's so I'm telling people I appreciate that because I'm not gonna tell people my own good news She's actually she's holding she's holding her neck and like a weird like Like somewhat fetal position I suppose and she's covered in a blanket and now she's holding her face like please stop telling them

I don't know how to receive Your goddamn crazy writer. It's not okay. I just like I won't look at you

The fact that the first book you had never in shit in your life aside from like you know like

Like you wrote stuff but like you didn't know like a full form but then you read a full book and it ends up what was that the first one was number two Behind Stephen King which is basically number one because he's one of my favorites and then The second one was number one, right? Yeah number one for a sequel. Yeah. Hello and then number three

“Personally I believe your number one because you were up against the lady who wrote the help which like”

Amazing yeah, I love that book really love that movie I'm gonna I don't know what the new book is the calamity club. I believe it's called oh I'm a part about yeah, I don't even know about it But I'm I'm really I'm part I don't need to know about it to be about it And then yesterday year which is like everybody's losing their titties over yesterday

I bought that I haven't read it yet. I'm kind yeah, I haven't read it

But never hello the third one being not like the third book in a series being number three

Even like top five would have been nuts. Yeah, just being on the list at all is literally insane especially with the third book I was very thankful to all of you for forgetting me there because you all showed up bad bitches You all showed up so I appreciate I'll share it with you Congratulations to all of you as well cuz you got us there. It's nice. It matters

“It no it does matter. It's for sure, but you need to you need to take your own achievement. I appreciate that. You're welcome. We're all in this together”

Don't use my lore against me You posted it in the other day that was like how do I explain that I'm like a what's your millennial level? It was like an AOL like holster cluster My space What are the other ones

I can't remember. It was like most of those and then in you were like that kind of millennial versus like a Jonas Brothers high school musical justice Yeah, cuz I was not what was the other one? There's a bunch of other ones and I was like how do I explain that I'm both of these millennials Because I'm like some from the first one and some from the second one, but not all of them are in the middle Yeah, which is weird cuz I'm at the end of the millennial years. You are yet. I can't find it now, but yeah, that was it's a very big distinction though. You're like

I'd you would think you would be I think it's because you had like me it is because otherwise you would just

“Study that other I did this for you. I gave you both sides of it. Here's the thing. I never”

One I wasn't into justice and two we was broke so I couldn't have justice. What is I don't even know what justice is It was a store I think it was like a clothing store. I could be completely fabulous right here I think it was like from the same people as like limited to oh, okay limited to as much I could be totally wrong, but we also could not afford but yeah, I was going to get handy downs though Hell yeah, yeah, they're locked

And I've really fucked with the Jonas Brothers that heavy. I I was a little out of there You were much out of there high school musical take me back to God's bathroom. That's my shit Only number one though. Yeah. There you go. But me and Aiden fight about that because he's Gen Z and he's like number two is Superior is he loves number two. Oh shit. Do you like number two better than number one? To even think about that is absolutely bananas to me. I don't know. I be of that. I never watched on

No, don't act like you don't know you took me alien at a high school musical on ice. Oh, I did. I never watched the movies though

You've never seen the first one

Why would I have watched the first one? Because I watched it so many times. Oh my god I see what we're doing. I've seen bits and pieces. No Is that what we're doing? No. It's not what we're doing. I've seen bits and pieces because the girl started watching it, but I did another three. It's not From what I've seen Careful not for me. Careful. Oh, it's not for me. All right

Not for me. I haven't rewatched. I haven't rewatched it since I was probably like 12 me I'm a zombies girl Yes, zombies is good zombies Slaps. I will actually I can't even say that I haven't seen the movies, but I've I love the soundtracks. movies are great. Yeah, movies are great The soundtracks fucking bangers

Bangers descendants. I don't think so. No, that's just me. I Zombies all the way. I'm team zombies and this is on childhood and parenthood. Yeah, thanks for tuning in different eras. Yeah

So we're just gonna do it. No, I don't know how you move from these movies a little bit. But you can market The people who do that Gerald. Sure you go. It's Gerald's time now. Yeah, so we're gonna be talking about a disappearance today and it's a very strange one. Okay, it's more recent. I would say yeah

“And I think this one is one of those that I want everybody to to think on it because any information that comes in”

I think it's still unsolved like we don't know what happens. Okay, it's one of those that like any years I think would be a good thing So we're gonna talk about the completely head scratching disappearance of Angela Green. Oh Yeah, have read actually this is a case that I actually really know. Yeah, about I think anyways, I've read about this recently. Yeah This is strange is very strange and I really feel for her daughter. I do too. It's like a situation

I offer her daughter hard. Yeah, so I really hope something comes to pass that she can get some answers. Yeah So let's talk about Angela Green. Okay

Angela Green was born in China 1962. She was the second of two daughters born to college professors

She was born in a suburb of Beijing and like many young people in China. She spent the first, you know

“That what like 20 years of her life and a pretty small role village dreaming of an exciting life in the city”

After graduating from high school, she did find some work as a model. She was Beautiful stunning stunning And was training to become a journalist, but what she really wanted most of all was to move to the United States Because her sister had a few years earlier. Now in the mid 1990s Angela finally got her chance to travel to the States with her sister to go visit her sister. I should say because her sister and her husband

We're living in Kansas at the time. So she was going to go there. While she was here She was here on a tourist visit and friends of Angela's parents introduced her to Jeff Green. Okay He was an IT specialist 15 years her senior. He spoke his fluent Mandarin. Oh wow, which is wild. Yeah, that is very impressive Despite the age difference between them again like 15 years That they had it off complete link to new their relationship through phone calls and letters like long distance nice by 1998

Angela was living in Prairie village Kansas finally and she ended up living with Jeff on a fiance Oh, we know about those. We're gonna get on your day. Now Angela's sister and her husband were super happy to have another member of the family living so close, but it was really her niece Michelle who was the most excited to have her on nearby Since she was in the country on a fiance visa Angela wasn't able to work in the country So she spent a lot of her time with Michelle right and Michelle later said we had a very special bond

It was always me and my aunt going on little adventures. I thought she was so beautiful

“And I wanted to be beautiful like her. Oh my god, isn't that like the sweetest thing that is freshness?”

That's like us. We were always going on the adventures and you thought I was so And I did think you and I do think you're so beautiful. I wanted to be just like you. I was like all And so Angela and Jeff got married in 1998, but That was also so so this was a very happy event obviously But it was also followed by a little bit of a period of frustration and sadness for Angela

Because she loved being near her sister, but she was struggling to adjust to a life in Kansas Yeah, that's a very different place. It's a very different place and like You can't work that's gonna be tough. It's you know like you can't really meet too many new people Yeah, it's tough to get out there in the community. She also in making that even harder She also felt like very self-conscious about her limited English. Oh, which I can't imagine how that feels

Because like not know what people are saying. Yeah, like I feel like going to another country and not knowing the language or not being able to speak it would be scary. Yeah, it just would be like you feel Little helpless and vulnerable because yeah, you know and limited. Yeah, so as a result She spent a lot of her time alone and she really only talked with her family or Jeff Which left her feeling a little isolated. Yeah, that's tough. Two years later Angela gave birth to a baby girl Ellie

Her whole life changed for the better after Ellie was born. Not only did caring for Ellie give Angela something that completely fulfilled her and filled her days, but it also gave her like meaning Yeah, direction and she felt like this is my purpose. Oh

Ellie said in a 2020 interview about her mom. She's incredible and she would give without receiving anything back

She poured her soul into raising me and taking care of me growing up so I was her world. Oh, which like Just yeah kills me. Yeah, that is like so incredibly so yeah now from the moment she was born

Mandarin and in time Ellie became her mother's best friend and confident like we're just BFFs

“They spent every day together with Angela taking thousands of photos of her”

In pushing her daughter to be the best version of herself in every situation She says her obviously her mom had like very high standards for her, but she just like pushed her to be better Yeah, and she said she had a pretty happy child so it looked like she was it was nothing like too crazy. Okay Her cousin Ellie's cousin Michelle confirmed that Angela and Jeff were definitely strict with Ellie They wouldn't allow her to have like sleepovers. She didn't have a lot of play dates with other kids

I don't allow sleepovers either. So it's interesting because I when I was younger I used to be like you're not gonna do sleepovers. Yeah, yeah, sleepovers are fucking weird No, I just want like they can get weird. Yeah, and I I don't blame you now. Yeah, and I don't care about anyone else's opinion about them Like you can do whatever you want to do Nothing will change it over at my house

I'll bring you you can have a late over

“Honestly, I would have loved to late over because I was up in your own bed. Yeah, you're not in a house”

Where you don't know everything that's going on in that house I can't tell everything that's going on in anybody else. No, and we've told some Narlie stories exactly and I can even bring you back over early in the morning and you can't breakfast really Yeah, you know, we've done it with some of their friends like over our house. Yeah, yeah But I won't get into fact. I think actually I will say though. It kind of seems like the new thing

It is a lot of levels are not doing so we don't feel like on an island because a lot of people are doing it So the rules in the green house were put in place to ensure that Ellie's primary focus with her education. Yeah, and I've been a paid off because in 2018 Ellie was admitted to the University of Kansas where she planned to study data analytics and finance Damn which like you need a big brain for that. You absolutely do uh for Ellie life on campus was filled with you know

New experiences and a level of freedom that she probably only dreamed of having In no time she was making new friends she was filling up her schedule with social activities and you know things that you do in college

Now those first semesters at school were fun and exciting for Ellie but for Angela

It was tough. Yeah, that's nerve wracking. That's her only child. That's nerve wracking for any parent Ellie said I know that she struggled with me being on my own but she wanted to be there for me and that struggle Really took a toll on her. Yeah, which is totally understandable For nearly two decades Angela Green's life had been consumed with raising her daughter and guiding her towards a Successful future but now that Ellie was away at school all the old loneliness and feelings of isolation

We're rushing back and it's also compounded with like worry and fear and stress from yeah Ellie being off at school. Yeah, exactly and there was really not a lot to distract Angela from it So she would just kind of like wait around and then when Ellie would come back to visit on weekends It was like her bright spot. Oh, that's really sweet. I know but also like sad that she was so Isolent. Yeah, I hate that for her and she was going through some like a little bit of like a mental health struggle with it. Yeah, you know

And she tried to hide it, but the change in Angela's mood and her declining mental health It eventually became obvious to Ellie and Jeff okay Who did have a talk about how they could get her maybe some help with her mental health. All right So they knew it was gonna be kind of an uphill battle because like her personal feelings about it We're like she just wanted to like

Plough through right it right you know therapy and all that just wasn't on her radar as something that she was planning to do She didn't really want to pursue it so they knew it was gonna be a tough discussion But they tried anyway and the longer Ellie stayed at school and the more independent she became the worse It kind of got for Angela. No, things reached a breaking point when the school year came to an end and Ellie returned home Angela was

Overjoyed to have her daughter back in the house, but she was kind of crushed when she realized that in addition to working a part-time job That summer Ellie had made a lot of plans with her friends and her boyfriend Zach and

Ellie later said I knew my mom was increasingly upset but I never knew why I've never been able to figure it out

And I probably never will. Oh, that's awful. Yeah, now on the evening of June 19th 2019, Ellie and Angela got into a bit of an argument I'm not gonna go into the specifics of the argument because I don't think it's not really our business. Yeah, and

“As you will find out, this is the last time that Ellie saw her mom. Yeah, and I think that's like a tough”

That's a tough job. And it's so I just an all in private. Yeah, but at the end of the argument basically what happened was You know as it happens especially at that age, you know I think Angela had said well you can just leave now. She said something like that. Okay So Ellie said not wanting to make the situation anywhere. She left the house and decided to Spend the night with her boyfriend's family thinking like all separate things will blow over. Yeah, it's very common thing

We'll have a rational discussion and we'll move forward. Mm-hmm and she said

“I expected to she was she was waiting for an apology and she said I expected to go home the next day”

I never would have imagined it would have blown up as much as it has as it has she didn't reach out to me as she is always done

So that again was the last time that she spoke to her mother and she hasn't seen her mother since which is like Heart runs like I was just gonna say that's I can't imagine having to deal with that That it's I feel because it's again such a normal thing that happens. Yeah, you would never think twice about Imperants getting especially as you get into like college and all that yeah, just argument happened disagreements happen Somebody leaves to cool down

It's there's no way of being able to predict something like this would happen. No So the next day Ellie got a text from her dad asking if they could get together to talk about what happened between her and her mother But Ellie told him she had plans. She wouldn't be available

Two more days passed when she finally heard from him and she was completely unprepared for what he would say

According to Jeff Green after her fight with Ellie Angela's you know mental health problems could no longer be ignored And he was determined to get her help okay knowing that she would resist any suggestion to see a doctor Therapist Jeff told Ellie he quote trick term other to go to a grocery store parking lot We're mental health workers forcibly grabbed her and took her away Now she's an adult

You can't do like what do you tell you in her provo like that's a thing like there that's not a food can't just call mental health workers to come take an adult away No, you can 50 one 50 someone like that's like that's a very different story That's a very different adult. Not a mission of parking lot and like trick Her in a part like it just seems I was like whoa if anything was the case where like he felt like he needed to step in and get her the help

“You should have taken her to the emergency room exactly and just to be clear as we go through this”

I'm not accusing anybody of any nope. I'm just telling you what happened. Yep You can make your own decision about it. Yep. We can all feel how we feel I'm not accusing anybody no So having been raised to be obedient and to trust her parents Ellie didn't hesitate to believe what her father said And she was immediately concerned about her mother's well-being yeah because why I know it sounds like we're looking at it now

Being like what like that wouldn't happen if this is your father who again you've gone your whole life Learned like being told to trust. Yeah, of course. You're not gonna question it like and also you're probably like whoa like things are just spinning

Well, and at the same time, it's like obviously this sounds crazy to us because we've never experienced anything like yes and like

I think we're older and we know that things like this don't necessarily happen like with mental health professionals Kidnapping somebody from a parking lot But when you're younger you don't have any experience with that and her only experience was knowing that her mom was resistant to it Exactly so having it be like this big scary situation You know like gonna think you're dead with lie to you about like this you wouldn't think he'd lie and you know maybe you'd understand like oh

It got to like such a like wow I'm really I missed what happened here. Yeah, like you think that and she was again just a media I don't even think she was thinking about any of that

“I think she was just thinking about them well-being of her mother. Yeah, and she said I was like oh my god”

I need to get mom her clothes her food her makeup whatever else she needs what a good daughter and she's but when she asked her father What hospital her mother was in? Jeff was incredibly vague and said only that it was down south somewhere Okay, why don't you know where she is and you called the mental health professionals? Where'd you call him at right and if you know presumably be where she is and if you do know and you're with holding Not information why yeah with hold that from the daughter. That's the thing

Now in the days that followed Jeff Green continued to evade his daughter's questions about the circumstances that led to her mother's Disappearance and he was like Suspiciously avoidant when she asked for details about where she was and when she was coming home At one point a few days after Angela was supposedly hospitalized Ellie insisted she wanted to visit her mother. Yeah, she has every right to do so. She's an adult

But Jeff told her she wouldn't be allowed to see her. He claimed he had already tried to visit Angela at the hospital What hospital? You said you don't know where to know but then you tried to visit her. But she quickly became agitated and tried to assault him. He said Okay, so he insisted it wouldn't be safe for Ellie to go visit Which

Okay, like because again, it's her dad. It's her dad and on the flip side of things too. She just wants her mom to get better

“So she doesn't want to agitate the situation. No, and she's probably just shocked. I would be shocked”

Yeah, all this. Yeah. No Ellie can to did continue to press her father for details about her mother and he Continue to ignore her just like avoid it or give big things or change the subject

Finally after two full weeks she received a text from him saying that her mother would be coming home soon and asked

What that she come to the house and help him clean for her return. Okay Michelle The niece later said Jeff made her go through her mom's clothes and only pick out a few outfits to keep Why would you be getting rid of her clothes if she's coming home and not sure On July 16th Angela was supposed to be released from the hospital

And Ellie was excited to finally see her and get some answers But that night Jeff called and said he needed to talk to his daughter and that he was on his way to see her When he arrived at the across his house where she was staying

Ellie was waiting for him in the driveway and Jeff put his truck in park but left the engine running

Which to me says like your nomination yeah, he got out walked over to his daughter And allegedly casually told her that Angela had a stroke at the hospital and died He hugged her briefly and got back in his truck and left For that to be the interaction if that was the fact of the matter is awful Ellie said I remember the world going blurry. I fell to my knees on the driveway. I couldn't even cry

I had no words and you just leave her like like you're okay So you're like some of her only family left and you're just like okay piece out. Yeah That's fucked up like So the next morning Ellie reached out to her dad to get more information and to find out

“What happened here and when they would be holding a funeral for her mother?”

This poor girl, but Jeff was typically like just like he was avasive and vague He told his daughter the subject was too painful and he couldn't talk about it He also insisted she not tell Angela's sister Katherine or anyone else in the family about the death For the time being because it would be too shocking

It's always gonna be shocked. I was gonna say actually the further it goes it'll become even more shocking

That you didn't tell them to begin with And her boyfriend's acts family they obviously were aware of what happened because she was staying with them when this happened So that was in their driveway. Yeah, this happened and they reached out to Jeff Offer their condolences and support, but he ignored them entirely. That's rude from the moment that her mother had gone to the hospital Ellie was completely in the dark about everything that was happening in her entire family right here. Yeah, and now her mother was

Supposedly dead and she had no idea what had happened. She was just had no idea where she was No idea what was going on. What led to her being put in this place isn't allowed to see her mom Isn't allowed to see her or talk to her and then it's just told she's dead and then gets no further information That is so traumatic Like she and again she had been raised to follow her parents rules to trust them completely

So she continued to do as her father asked but she was she was it's not like she was doing this being like everything is fine She was just raised to trust her parents, so she was just like this is weird But I don't know what to do here. Oh, she's also like a college angel girl and like I don't think many of us can say We've been in this position before so I don't know what I would do and she was rightfully very troubled by her father's vagueness and silent again. This is so fucking dramatic. Yeah, Ellie said I knew my mother wanted her ashes sent back to China as like a cultural thing

Yeah, but her father refused to speak to her about a funeral or any services Cleaning he was just still dealing with grief And all like and it's like so is she I was just gonna say even if that is the case that angel had passed away How to stroke suddenly and you don't want to talk about it. Okay, like dude, but that's not fair to everybody No, there are other people who love her that she also belong to they're also grieving and they have every right to grieve in the way that they need to grieve and

Also, you can't just like gatekeep grief like that exactly and it's like also you are gonna have to figure out services Yeah, people I mean this is the gritty reality of the world absolutely it is when people die

“They can't just stay where they are forever well, and that's what you do need to move people out of these places”

I I've been there. Yeah, you can't you gotta get somebody to get them to a funeral home You need to know what the services are like One what's the alternative like the world they're eating in an unmarked grave things move forward and you need to like make the decisions or Better yet if you are struggling which is a very human thing to do you need to pass that off to someone and say

Like she had a loving sister

“She had her niece that loved her like I'm sure many people would have stepped in and she also had family back in China. Yeah, now”

Several months passed Jesus and he still hadn't given any information or informed angel's family about her death that is months passed and her family didn't know I'm sorry. That's fucked up in my opinion. No, that is fucked up. That's fucked up. Yeah, to do that to her family Yeah, that's fucked up. I will I can't even begin to explain what my reaction would be Well, what's worse is Ellie realized she was gonna have to be the one to tell her family. Oh, no

She was like we can't just let this go on She hadn't spoken to her aunt Catherine or her cousin Michelle in nearly three years at that point. Oh, wow But she felt that not informing them was Bucked up. Yeah, so that February she reached out to them despite having been told not to buy her father And she said I couldn't even say anything for like a minute. I was crying the whole time

When she finally managed to get the words out Catherine and Michelle were stunned and very confused It wasn't just that Angela had died. That was obviously devastating. They were also shocked that eight months had passed Since her supposed a death and no one had bothered to tell any them and obviously that's not on Ellie That's she's the child and this is now naturally angels family had a lot of questions

But what the fuck happened here? So Ellie did her best to explain but Ellie didn't know a lot She was in the dark. She started with the fight that had led to her leaving the house and moving in with her boyfriend And she told them about the hospitalization and all that but she was like that's really all I know And the story was confusing. It was convoluted. It was weird and ambling but I can't imagine being on the other end of that Well, and to Michelle it seemed impossible. I would feel it doesn't make sense as a lawyer

Oh shit Michelle knew that you can't simply grab someone off the street or trick them into involuntary hospitalization Like oh you can't do that no Such things like we said require court orders and sometimes even law enforcement You can't just do that shit and they're also not gonna trick the person into it

No, but Jeff Green had never mentioned any of that when he told Ellie about the hospitalization

He made it seem like he just set it up and they took her well the like out of a grocery store parking lot That's wild. Yeah, that literally sounds like Paris Hilton's documentary when she was kidnapped from her own fucking home It's like like when that happened. It's like that's super insensitive like kind of thing that people say like the men in the white coats are gonna come take you Yeah, that's literally what he is claiming. Yeah, that they came and took her away. Yep Now Michelle continue to ask specific questions about the situation that Ellie had an even considered because again

She's going through grief and the confusion about it. You could be so clouded by grief and one of the things was Did you receive a death certificate? Very valid question in nearly every case the cause a case of death the event is recorded by the state in the form of a death certificate Especially if she died at a hospital well, that's that the end that death certificate will list among other things the cause of death and any Events or illnesses that lead to the cause of death and it's gonna have name and contact information of the doctor or the coroner that

confirm the death. It's gonna have all that information

“Like a birth or marriage certificate a death certificate is an essential document for anyone”

That and it's essential for anyone who's left behind after someone does because they need that to do

Any of their like take care of any of the affairs that are left afterwards. So It would have been among the first things the family received after being informed of the death. Yeah, and I've I've prepared many death certificates that is the number one thing you got to get done Yeah, and you got to get that shit off to that fan like they You in a timely fashion in a timely fashion because when they're gonna want to know the details

Yeah, they're gonna have they're gonna want to have the official stuff and they literally need that for the funeral home for anything Sometimes there's like questions that they might have like you said like all the doctors are listening Yeah, like Those are the people that you can go to and that's the whole purpose of the the fucking paper in the first place exactly it makes no sense

But again Ellie hadn't seen or received the death certificate and her father had never mentioned one

Which I guess is not strange that he wouldn't just mention that he had it so maybe she's like all right I should ask him about yeah, but Michelle said we thought it was so strange that she had allegedly died eight months ago And there was absolutely no trace of it

“Knowing that the only way they were gonna get answers was to get a copy of the deaths certificate”

Ellie and Michelle drove to the medical records office in Tupica But the cleric at the records office informed them they had no deaths certificate on file for angel agreement and they would Ellie said the cleric spent the longest time looking for it finally she came back and said I'm sorry there's no death certificate or record for your mother my stomach just sank

That's when all the red flags all shut up at once. I just got chills. I've literally no that like I've read this case

“And I still got chills hearing that now the next day Ellie confronted her father about the fact that there was no record of her mother's death”

But He was just avoidant and told her that the hospital maybe it was in another state Hmm, we maybe she had died in another scene. Yeah, maybe the hospital is in another state You mean the hospital that you visited her up and you're claiming you don't know And he said and if that's the case it wouldn't be on file in Tupica

Yeah, but if she got transferred to another state I feel you'd be made aware of that. Yeah

Hello Michelle said when Ellie told me what had happened. She slowly started to realize how bizarre everything was

Sometimes you need an outside person. Yeah, like shadow the boss. I especially when it's just been your core family for the long So I think she needed that outside like glass shattering moment which you would hate to be the person horrific Now for eight months her father had been very vague and evasive Refusing to provide details or simply ignoring Ellie's questions During that period Ellie was dealing with her own grief and trying to struggling to accept her mother's death

And to know that the last time they ever spoken was when they argued and to know disappeared after that Well, that's the thing like to know how hard she was trying to get in touch with her mother Like it didn't like she was probably sitting there thinking it doesn't have to be this way It didn't have to end like no, that's the thing and then now she's like is it over like what will now and top of all that?

It had never occurred to her that her father would lie to her especially about something so important. Yeah, but now

With some distance and again the support of her aunt cousin she's starting to get some perspective on the situation and she knew something wasn't right

“And if Jeff Green wasn't gonna give any information at this point Angela's family did the only thing the only next step”

They could think of they decided to contact the police. I mean, yeah, we have not seen Angela in eight months You are claiming eight months ago. She died. Where is she? Oh, so I should say it over eight months. Where's her body? Right like I've been like that Must've been so infuriating where the pocket she now on February 15th, 2020 Michelle called the Prairie Village Police Department and explained the whole thing Because they had no evidence of a death or even a crime the most the police could do was go to the Green's house and perform a wellness check on Angela

Which makes no sense which makes no fucking sense. Her family is being told that she died. Yeah, so there's no wellness to be had there When the officers arrived at the house, they were met at the door by Jeff and when they asked about Angela He told them she just left to go meet some friends so she wasn't home. What but they were welcome to come in and look around Why the fuck would you lie about that? Why why do you lie to the police?

Don't do that inside the house. There were no signs of a crime or suspicious activity. It had been long time I was gonna say I mean hello, but there were also no signs that Angela was there or had been there in months When the officers explained the situation Jeff expressed shock and told them he had no idea why anyone would think his wife was missing her dead Because you told your daughter that when Ellie and Michelle were told about the wellness check, they were stunned. Yeah It was obvious Jeff was lying they just didn't know to whom he was lying like what now?

It's like is he lying to the police or is he lying to the police she or love?

“The only way for detectives in Prairie Village to continue looking into the situation was for a family member to file a missing person”

So the following morning Ellie went to the department and filled up a paperwork. She was like hey guys Do you think it's fucking weird that you went in the house and there's no sign of her But he literally just said she just went out with her parents her daughter saying she has seen her eight months and that he told her she died a month Eight months ago While she was there her father called her on her cell phone and detectives recorded the call. Oh on the call Ellie confronted her father with all the discrepancies and lack of detail

When it came to her mother's death And like you even called that a discrepancies. This is what he said there about finding out that she had died He said I got a call at work that she was going to the hospital to get checked out I thought you had people come and take part of those right and then I got a call that she was being evaluated and then I couldn't see her until the following weekend And Ellie interrupted her father to ask where she was hospitalized

Because like you're saying you were coming to see her right and Jeff said he didn't know he would have to look into it Look into what you literally said you were going there Jeff claimed that after a few weeks he got a call from someone at the hospital informing them that Angela was dead. I'm also like dude I have been in situations where people have had to go to the hospital and spend time there when they didn't want to We could see them. Yeah, exactly. We didn't have to wait to see them and also this is what he said on the call. I got a call that she had passed away in funeral things

And what do I want to do and I'm like, oh my god, and it's a crazy time and I can't I can't hardly think straight

And I got an urn and they dropped the urn back by it was all done by phone and now that I think about it It was like And then he went on So where's the urn and why did you tell the police that she was out with her friends dog? Well, to everyone in the room listening to the call, it was clear that Jeff was uncomfortable with this line of questioning from his daughter

And was clearly caught off guard and literally just talking yeah Jeff had no information about words Angela had been hospitalized who her doctors were in no details about who Specifically had called him to inform him of the death

“Also, they don't just come to your house to pick up money for your cremation. That's not how that works. You have to seek that out”

When Ellie asked about her mother's body because she was like, oh, you know, we have her body now Jeff told her the body was cremated and the ashes were returned to him by someone from the psychiatric hospital But he continued with all the the vagueness doesn't work then he said something Wild he said I got the urn back and there's no I didn't check it until just this past weekend and I opened it up and it's empty So there were no ashes in it

That's not a thing This man is claiming First of all is told about 15 different stories Is now claiming that they came by to the money money please and then they said we'll bring you back an urn They brought him back an urn

He didn't tell anyone about the urn Not his daughter no one no and then this past weekend so weird that you're calling me right now this past weekend I just as one does You just open that urn up, you know And he looks in and it's just empty and he's like fuck dude. They didn't yeah, it was anything in the urn dude

Because that's the thing like we've heard those crazy cases where people find out that it's not they're loved one in the urn

But there's always something in the urn

He said and I quote I opened it up in its empty So there were no ashes in it so hey that's not a thing that's different that's not a thing yeah That's not a thing Sure isn't what sure isn't why the detectives in the room were

Fucking shocked by what Jeff was telling his daughter because the story was Proposterous and also because they'd been told yeah. Oh, she just ran out with her friends Yeah, don't mind that there's no sign of her in the house. My favorite part of that was there like that's when he was like that's weird I don't know why anyone would tell you that she was missing her dead You you supposedly had an urn that you thought was filled with her ashes. Well, and the more they spoke the more bizarre the story became

“You can look up like a the full transcript. I think of that way. He the gaslighting is unbelievable”

I always just wonder like

in situations like there's I'm like How do you find yourself to be believable in this moment like I'm not saying one thing or another I'm just saying like you're no matter what the story is while and you think that people are just gonna take that At face value. Yeah. The story doesn't make sense Now

Obscreate Jeff told Ellie that a few months after Angela had supposedly died He was driving home and spotted someone coming out of their house Wait, no, no, no, what sorry? Few months after Angela had supposedly died. He he was driving home and he saw someone come out of his house Okay, he claimed that he was still several blocks from the house so he couldn't make out any of the person's features

before they got in a car and left According to Jeff, follow them. He hadn't given the incident much thought. You didn't think about that No, what no If I see a mother fucker that I don't know come on out of my house get in a car and drive away You bet your bottom dollar. I'm following their house. Yeah, no, he said and I'm definitely gonna give it a lot of thought. He said

No thoughts given someone just came out of my house. It was weird

That's on some lexapro at a level that I've never even learned. He had to have been violent because why are you not to care about that at all

For you to have no anxiety about that. I don't know anyone that medicated. No, I don't even talk once But you know what's crazy now that he would be easy everything you've said so far. Now that was being pressed about it

“You had an idea tell me he said now that I'm being pressed about it. I think that”

Angela might still be alive and she came back to the house to get her things while I was out and just like set up a big conspiracy Somebody was gonna come steal your money further. Yep Needless to say by the time the call ended everyone in the fucking room was Wildly suspicious that's something terrible it happened. Oh, so is he saying that that was the figure that caught in the Yeah, I know Drew pretty fucking well from several blocks away. I'd be like that's that motherfucker. Exactly. There he is

I would know if that was John for several blocks away. You don't know if that's your wife of how many years Angela and also

Talking shit to your daughter here like just spew and shit about her mother and then it's like You're saying you got an urn with her body And actually whatever weird is I checked it last week and nothing's in there

“So that's why it doesn't ever body. It is just made of earned and then actually now that I'm being now”

They were talking about it Maybe she came in the house and I saw her maybe that he got figure that left How many however long ago and I just didn't think about it again until right now the thing about Jeff one thing about Jeff is he's not gonna give it a lot of thought So by that time this call ended Everyone in the room was like

Defok what happened here. Yeah, detective Jason Wakefield said there was no record of any deaths We contacted numerous hospitals and he says mental hospitals

They never had any record of Angela. We checked for death certificates nationwide

There were no death reports and we know that you cannot cremate somebody without some sort of death Certificate you'll so investigators began looking into Angela's disappearance now because they're like well

“That just gave us everything we need to to now look into this. Yeah. It's weird as fuck”

Yeah, like what the fuck is going on here? That gave them everything they needed for them to look into Angela's disappearance But they immediately ran into a dead end Angela had no social media presence No real life friends really or even acquaintances. That's really sad that and especially none that you would turn to in like a moment of crisis. Yeah, and she had none of the financial tools either like credit cards

That you could use to track someone's movements. Oh Captain Adam Taylor said she was never employed

She had never had a credit card. She had only been to the dentist twice to the doctor once when Ellie was born Oh Quite simply it was as though Angela had literally vanished into fit air. Yeah, and almost like she didn't exist Yeah, like here one day gone the next all without leaving any trace behind That's so scary. The other roadblock they faced was Jeff himself

Evidently by that time Jeff had purchased a house in Lawrence near the university Which he intended to fix up for Ellie Detectives went to the house to talk to him, but when Jeff opened the door he didn't say a word He just handed them his attorney's business card and closed the door. Oh

Yeah, that's a vibe wakefield said it's not a normal encounter that the first time I knock on your door

You just come to the door with a card for your attorney. Yeah, that's very unusual and definitely made me think that was more going on So even if you're not yeah, it's unusual like guilty of something That doesn't look good. No, like nobody's just by anyone's definition of them. I'm able to speak with Jeff directly Wakefield turned instead to the family and according to Jeff's brother and his wife They received a call from Jeff a few weeks after Angel is supposedly went into the hospital

He told them she had been discharged and had a stroke at home and died as a result So what is that the 78th story? Yep, but they didn't hadn't heard anything else about it since then This news came as a surprise to Ellie of course who had for months tried to get information from Jeff's side of the family Oh according to Ellie her extended family was unusually avoidant around the issue of her mother and the most anyone would tell her Was there may have been an accident and your dad needs to get a lawyer?

“Can you imagine your family? That's how they describe what happened to your mom?”

Well, and also that's vastly different from she had a stroke because they're not an accident. What is the implication there? And why does he need a lawyer right? Like what is it on? Where would you go with that? Like why is it's extending all the all the vagueness? Yeah, it's just the the more you look into this case the stranger in stranger it gets yeah And according to Ellie the more she pushed for information the more kind of like combat it for Aunt and Uncle got

That's shitty. She said family members reprimanded me for asking questions about her mother They were like why can't you just let it go Off the lettuce though presumed death of my mother. There's one big reason I can't let it go Where's my mom? Yeah, where is her body yet to see evidence of her any one anymore? Just let it go is crazy now because of the various conflicting stories Jeff had told and the fact that Angela appeared to have

Literally vanished Wakefield was able to get a warrant to search the house in Prairie Village as well as a property he shared with a friend in Olaitha Jeff shared a property with a friend. Okay, they were able to get morons for search warrants for both of those oh

But because the house in Lawrence had been then one year the university had been purchased after Angela went missing the judge denied the warrant to search that property

I that the noise me

“I really it's annoying, but oh, I just know I totally get it. It's just like literally on a purely”

shallow I'm annoyed by this level. I'm annoyed by that. Yeah, no, no, I feel exactly the same Makes sense like I have annoyed laws sometimes the laws so tough. I know because it's like it makes sense logically Yeah, and it's a protective thing in case, you know like they can't just yeah And it's just run around the audience and everybody's house like that's one. It's like it makes sense because it's a protective protective thing, but it also makes sense to get a moron for it because

What if well, what if something won't? It's just the in so many stories have been told I feel like it's justified

But in March an investigative team conducted a thorough search at the Prairie Village House and among the more interesting items

Discovered in the search was the urn that Jeff claimed had been given to him by the hospital. Oh There were no ashes inside and no evidence that it had ever contained any ashes Upon further investigation they learned that the urn had been recently purchased Stop they also discovered Angela's purse at the house Which still contained her driver's license and passport both things that she was unlikely to have left behind

Well, and also like I don't would you even be able to be admitted without proper ID? I have no idea I don't I don't know either, but that's I would think not, but I don't know now The property in Olaitha played approved a much more arduous search than the house in Prairie Village It was much larger is 35 acres. Wow. It also contained a large pond in several buildings in storage units Investigators brought in additional people to help with the search including a dive team to search the pond

But they found no evidence Evangel anywhere a few weeks later, though detective Wakefield learned that the property in Olaitha Would have looked quite different at the time angel and went missing in the month since she disappeared The county had started work on a new courthouse and was using that property as a location to dump all the excavated dirt Which had a mast in a 40 foot high pile

Holy shit according to private investigator Steve Ridge this area in Olaitha would be an Absolutely ideal location to dispose of a body under 30 feet of soil on top of it It wasn't just ridge who thought the massive dirt pile could maybe contain some evidence of angel's disappearance Then any of the officers with the Prairie Village Police Department also thought it could have made a pretty convenient place Yelp unfortunately neither Prairie Village police nor county law enforcement agencies had the capacity to

Sift through a pile of dirt and debris that massive So what's in there It was just gonna remain undiscovered

“Which I'm like you can't do it so you just leave it there. Here's the thing”

Volunteers

Back up there's always volunteers for like a search party. Yeah, look at baby Jessica. Why are we not having volunteers who want I mean come in

Sift through some dirt. Yeah, see what we can but I that's crazy to me There's gotta be like something yeah where there's a will there's a way so where's the will yeah By the end of 2020 Wakefield and the other investigators had hit a dead end in their investigation Primary suspect refused to speak to them and their search for evidence and leads had turned up literally nothing and Despite having called in the FBI to consult on the case it had pretty much gone cold

I'm also like the FBI can't help you sift through that. That's what I'm getting out of dirt According to Ellie Wakefield and one of the other detectives called her regularly to let her know Whether there were any updates in the case, but quote, there really hasn't been that's so fucked up While there was little detectives could do to keep the case alive at this point Ellie and Michelle were not gonna let this go that easily with no traditional avenues of

Investigation left to really rely on they turned to social media and started posting videos about Angela And you know her case on platforms like TikTok Instagram

“Michelle said I think Jeff intended for Angela to be forgotten about the support that I got from social media”

I wanted to make sure that the exact opposite would happen. Yeah, that's a quote from Michelle. Yeah, that's just not us accusing anybody moving given the vastness of social media. They weren't expecting they I mean I don't know what they were like we weren't expecting it to blow up because there's so many cases You know about you just don't know but within a few days Michelle and Ellie's videos had garnered millions of views and gone viral Within weeks the campaign had attractive immersive amounts of attention including the attention of Steve Ridge

An Iowa private investigator who we mentioned before who reached out to Ellie and Michelle to offer his

described Jeff as quote very mysterious and quote pretty controlling among other things

“Based on everything he learned and read Ridge came to the conclusion that”

Angela and Jeff's relationships could at time be a little combative okay he has his own theories about what what could have possibly happened in the house that night Okay, now while Steve Ridge worked on his investigation Ellie maintained somewhat distant relationship with her father if only to get more information. Yeah, and again Ballants to nothings come out and nothings been proven so

You know what you're gonna do although Jeff avoided the suspect subject Ellie frequently peppered him with questions and their recorded phone calls Some of which ended up online In one recording Ellie can be heard asking for details about how it was that her mother ended up being cremated without anyone's consent or a duster to get it. It was just gonna say or a fucking duster to forget Jeff said

Oh, it seems it it seems unusual much later looking back on it, but at the time it did not seem odd since I'd never done it before

I don't know I do that does make this

“I'm not that's what I mean. I'm just like I don't know what you're saying is going on here. He's not making sense about what is happening here”

Well, and he's just like hoping that she takes that for that's also just word salad Yeah, that doesn't even like that didn't answer the question at all because it's literally saying yeah Now it seems unusual that at the time I end up before Well no one's usually no one's done it like it that's not very common for people to not have done before right Yeah, okay, but the cause and additional video content demonstrates how truly bizarre this case has become

No, it is so bizarre, but it's not really moving it forward unfortunately. Something needs to move something needs to move forward For three years detectives with a prairie village police continue to follow up on every lead they receive But the cases move at a glacial pace and this in and in that time Jeff's story has changed several more times It just feels like somebody has had to have seen Something now in the latest version. He claimed that Angela wasn't dead, but had simply run away

Then what's the urn and why wouldn't you have just said that? And so then did anybody come and was all that like was every other story you told fake?

“That's what I mean why did you fake those stories? That's what doesn't make sense and alien Michelle”

Continue to to tell people about this case. They they're grown in the podcast. They've done the videos like all kinds of stuff Like regional and national news stories like they are not stopping and like good on them And in that time, they've also managed to crowd fund $25,000 which they use as a reward for anyone

With information that will lead to the case being solved. That's incredible

Yeah, Ellie said no one deserves to go missing in their story on herd and hopefully My father and his family will come to their senses and see the absurdity of the situation yeah And after Ellie announced the award Steve Ridge who was still actively pursuing the case added his own $25,000 Wow, bringing the total reward to 50,000

He said I'm putting it up because I know that sometimes money talks It's strictly for either the location of Angela or it's for the location and identification of her remains We just want to find her to give that degree of closure to the family The reward money keeps that helps keep the story alive and the press and on social media And it did for a few months, but without any new information it was

Falling away and kind of like falling out of the headlines again Now after years of searching for her mother and constantly creating content for social media Ellie realized the case had consumed a lot of her time and a lot of her space like headspace and she was losing Like precious moments of her own life. Yeah, you know, which is like an eyelid. Yeah, like that's totally valid In 2023 Ellie made the incredibly

Difficult decision to kind of step away from the case and focus on her future Well you also have to think of the told that that must be on her mental health to have Been living that 24/7 and to be that dedicated and to just keep hitting road block after road block It also have to think of how fucking young she is. Yeah, young she was to have gone all through all exactly She cut ties with her father and his side of the family and she moved to Colorado to finish school

The last time she spoke with Jeff Ellie asked one final request. She asked that before he dies Will he write her letter to tell her what happened to her mother and he didn't respond he didn't respond Now although Ellie decided to move on Michelle and Steve Ridge continue to pursue every new lead And Ellie's kind of right there like she's just still got some like you know a lot of stuff happening on the side Yeah, um and Ridge doubled his reward for information and in March

Fuck you said March of 2026. Yes. Wow. He said in an interview with local new station KCTV5

“I had a lengthy conversation with somebody in Kansas City who had a lot to share with me on this case”

A lot of insight and when you score one of those conversations it recharges your battery for weeks But since then he hasn't made any new announcements Okay, well, he might be working on something. No, no as far as the Prairie village police are concerned the case remains active and unsolved A spokesperson for the police department said anytime there's a new podcast documentary or story about angelic green The police department receives numerous information from around the country

However, there's yet to be a tip or piece of information that provides new evidence or lead that is an

Open previously investigated while you never know. So it does work that like people hearing it somebody knows something

If anyone has any tips about angelic green disappearance Investigators are urging people to call the tips hotline at 816-474 T-I-P-S Information can also be sent to Steve Ridge directly at 319-573-0657 Or to Steve Ridge [email protected]

And somebody's got to know some that's the thing we always say it with these unsolved cases one

A cold case is never cool. No, and this is even really cold now and two somebody knows something that they haven't said yet Somebody knows something and like I just want this for Ellie and her family. Well, and it's like somehow if you're listening and you're the person that knows Think about Ellie and the shell and her an angelist sister like yeah You got to put yourself in other people's shoes with that. Yeah, and just hopefully something moves Somebody's got to know something we got to be able to I want to know what's in that dirt pile. Yeah

“I remember reading about this case for the first time a couple years ago and just being dumb found”

Yeah, but even more has happened since the first time that I read about it. Yeah, like even more information has come to light. So

You know something that you never know

Something could come up. Yeah, all right. Let me grab us a fun fact. We had a few weeks in a row of your fucked facts Let's go. I don't know if this is a fun fact or if this will literally change your life Toby McGuire's memorable lunch trace a catch scene in Spider-Man took a 156 takes Jesus 156 takes I would lose my ever loving mind. That's crazy. Yeah, we've had to read record like an episode here and there

“And I'm like oh no, and it's the worst thing in the entire world. I imagine doing it 156 times”

Yeah, that's a no for me. Wow, that's kind of a fucked fact. That is a commitment. There you go. Brother's Really hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird But not so many that you do anything 156 times over like in a row. It's a lot. I don't like that. Cool. I guess [Music] [Music]

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