Has Woke Hollywood Fallen?

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have led to declarations that woke is dead in Hollywood. But insiders say not so fast.

They're still a powerful coalition of industry folks pushing left-wing agendas in TV and film productions.

In this episode, we sit down with conservative film critic Christian Toto to discuss the role of ideology and politics now in Tinseltown, and which directions revenues are driving the industry. I'm daily wire executive editor John Bickley with Georgia Halb. This is a weakened edition of Morningwire. Joining us now is film critic and founder of Hollywood in Toto, Christian Toto.

Christian great to have you on. Good to be here.

“So I think there's been a lot of premature pronouncements that woke is dead in Hollywood.”

You know, we had one really good movie come out a few months ago, Projectile Mary, and then suddenly woke is dead. You're arguing maybe that's not the case, and you actually wrote for the Daily Wire a piece recently detailing the evidence that this is not true.

Unfortunately, is woke still making its presence felt in Hollywood productions?

Well, just a little context. You know, we have seen some promising signs. You look at comedy coming back. Comedy roasts are now in Netflix. Some canceled comedians are now entertaining the country without any sort of punishment.

So I think there was some real evidence that woke was on the decline, and I still think it is. But we're also seeing other signs that it's not exactly going away for good. And a lot of woke, you know, I think the term is often either misapplied or maybe expanded to broadly, but it's often forcing identity politics into stories where it may not belong,

or just really lecturing the audience.

“And I think maybe one of the best examples is a movie called "Ladies First,"”

storing a sashabaran cone of borat fame, and he plays this show of anistic kind of guy who gets a bump in the head and he wakes up, and he's not living in the patriarchy. He's living in the patriarchy. I think it's just one extreme example of where we're going here.

Yeah, probably not tuning into that lady's first.

Uh, what would you say is the difference now in Hollywood from five years ago? You know, there's been a lot of changes. COVID obviously really disruptive to the industry. How has the industry changed? Uh, and so much, and just a short amount of time.

I mean, the threat of AI is maybe the biggest issue. But we're seeing a lot of conflict on the, the streaming front, you know, they've been pouring millions into new content, and the numbers just aren't there. You have a lot of people who will subscribe and then quit, they call it the turn. And that's a problem for the streaming giants.

And there's just not enough eyeballs sometimes, and too much, too much overhead. So I think that's an issue as well. But from the woke perspective, think what you've seen is, Hollywood was really bending over backwards to be more inclusive to write the wrongs that were committed years and years ago, and it really was reflected the content.

And no more so than with Disney, which obviously had a lot of woke content. But they've been really dialing it back in an aggressive way.

“That's I think that's most obvious example of the change in Hollywood.”

All right. So at least in a attempt to kind of hide some of this, it seems like the revelations, uh, the leaks about higher ups and Disney openly having a queer agenda, et cetera, that does seem to have an effect so far on some of these decisions they're making. As for the financial part of this, you know, there was a lot of hope and revenues from streaming. Like you said, some of that's been very disappointing for a lot of these studios.

Uh, the theaters keep coming back into focus, just the necessity to bring in big box office revenues. Uh, we mentioned Project Hill, Mary at the top, a huge box office success for Amazon. Is that motivation for a more, you know, big tent approach to content than ever now with some of the hopes of streaming revenues being down? Yeah. I think for years, Hollywood could could get away with a lot.

Could suffer through a bomb or two or three or ten because they wanted that messaging out there. And they had other hits that were going to make up the difference. And now we're not seeing that that theatrical model is a little wobbly or than it ever was. But we are seeing some promising science in Mitch and Project Hill. Mary, the Super Mario Galaxy movie has been a huge hit. And I think that Hollywood in general has cracked the code on video game

movies. And that's a lifesaver, especially as superhero films kind of crater is for the box offices for concern. So yeah, I think they could get away with more in the past and not so much now. Even looking at the small screen with Stephen Colbert, the late Joe was reportedly losing millions and

the numbers more and more. And all of a sudden that late Joe loss is unsustainable. Yeah, for sure. And in fact, the late Joe scene, have you seen any changes in that particular branch of the industry? You know, you talked about the comedians in general. We're starting to see this return of not politically correct comedians. Is there any prospect of the late night scene

“opening up at all or is that industry just going away? Well, I think the late night format may be”

just dying on its own accord. It's just not the way we process entertainment now or on YouTube because social media, you know, the immediacy of late night doesn't really click. Having said that, I think it's sort of a, there have been so many self-inflicted wounds. I mean, listen, Jimmy Kimmel famously said about his right leaning fans, not good riddance, but riddance. And then he more recently talked about, hey, don't lecture me about trying to be funnier. It's my job to

say what I want to say. And if I want to be serious and sober and cry, I'm going to do it. So, you know, you take all these different factors. You think, oh, of course, late night can't survive. And having said that, there's got Felton Fox News and also Jimmy Fale is doing a nice job at Fox News Saturday night. And they're less overtly political. Fale in particular is more inclusive and sort of more like, hey, let's have a show. Let's have some laughs and let's not take

“herself seriously. I think if there was more of that in late night TV, they'd have a better chance,”

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“is that a legitimate new horizon that can be explored? I think there's different ways to get”

the message out there. Let's see Stephen Colbert go away, but he could pop up on a podcast or a video a YouTube channel and be just fine. I think the technology is there and multiple levels. You don't have to. If you've got a new movie, you can just put up a website. You can go through a streaming process. There are different distributors now that will work with indie filmmakers. So that's certainly part of what we're looking at here. In faith-based is having a moment right now

that shows in-house of David, Jesus Revolution. There's been a lot of different projects on small and big screens and also some big players getting involved too, where it's not just unknown actors and Kirk Cameron leading the way. You've got major players in these films. And of course, Mel Gibson returns very soon, I guess next year, with the passion of the Christ Sequel. So that's going to be a game changer as well. Yeah, indeed. And some of these faith-focused

films you mentioned, you know, they've created their own websites, even platforms, gained an audience,

and then got into theaters. That's something we've never seen before really. Is that a new model

or is it still in its kind of test phases? Yeah, I think it's still in its impency, but the potential is huge. There is a newer film called Bus Boys. It's an indie comedy Theo Vaughn, David Spade, independently produced, no studio attached. They sung some of their money into it. And listen, it hasn't been a box of a success, but the budget is so small, a little over 3 million,

are doing that, kind of bypassing the gatekeepers, going their own way, keeping the costs low,

then they could make stuff for an audience that will assure them on. And again, it could be a niche audience, but who cares if you're paying the rent? You've got a story to tell, then you've got a full, you know, all of the team ahead there. So it works out. You know, holistically, it looks like independent filmmakers are poised to have more success than they've had in the past, particularly because Hollywood keeps, you know, shooting itself in the foot with the expensive producing films in

California, then you have the unions causing a lot of trouble. We've seen that here at the daily wire with one of our own productions recently. Are you seeing evidence of that that there is more room for independent filmmaking success? You know, I think there's more independent filmmakers

“and there are more films out there, but success is a little diceyer. You know, it's even when the”

costs are low, just getting your product out there is very hard the marketplace is flooded with films.

And just kind of raising your hand and saying, hey, I'm here is a challenge. As a film critic, I get dozens of emails a week, if not more, for these smaller films trying to get my attention, just because I review the film and it might be on my side or maybe elsewhere. So they're just desperate for that kind of attention. And because, you know, it's almost like podcasting where isn't it great? Everyone can be a podcast or now, oh my gosh, how do you cut through the maze

and make yourself known? So it's both a blessing and a curse. Now on the topic of politicized content, yeah, there's a major series coming out from Apple that was actually put on hold because of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. This is the savant. I know you've looked at this series. What's the backstory there and is this another, you know, hyper politicized series or not? I think the media circus around the story is probably more intense in the show itself. It is loosely based on

our true person who has been infiltrating hate groups in order to expose them and bring them to light. Of course, shut them down. Jessica Chastain, the Oscar winner is a star here. So it's got some good star power. It's credibly orchestrated, but it really is one-sided because as we've seen in the culture for the last few years, there's a lot of hate coming from the left. And this is a show that's exclusively looking at right-laning bigots far right. You could guess you could say them work more

“succinctly. So I think the timing is a bit odd, but it's what Hollywood does. It ignores certain”

topics and doubles down and others. And as far as the cancellation and the sort of the putting it

on the bench for a while, it didn't seem to make a lot of sense. I watched the first few episodes.

I didn't see anything specific to the Charlie Kirk's storyline, the horrible assassination. I think that oftentimes Hollywood is just risk-averse to the end-to-create and they just thought they'd want to kind of take a knee in this for a bit. They did. It'll come out. I think it's not going to make a big stir once people actually see it. Is there anything that you feel should be on our radar that's coming out this year that actually might be significant that might shape the

direction of the industry at all, what should we watch out for? Christopher Nolan, director behind so many great films, including Oppenheimer, he has a movie the Odyssey that's coming out this summer. You know, you think about a story like that based on classic, classic works. It doesn't seem like box office catnet, but Christopher Nolan is a unique creature in Hollywood where almost anything he does gets her attention and draws a lot of box office potential. So looking forward to that.

And also, Avengers Doomsday, this is Disney Slash, the MCU, literally throwing everything they have

“to revive the superhero genre. Big budget, big stars, big everything. Can it do the trick?”

Will it make us fall back and love with superhero films? I am skeptical for sure, but this is a last gas attempt to do just that or will video games be the next blockbuster phase and superhero films fade to black. We'll see. How about for people looking for conservative content or at least content that's not overtly insulting to their worldview? Do you have any recommendations, maybe even studios, other than the daily wire, of course, that are under the radar that you

recommend? You know, it's tough to find right-leaning stories that appeal to the heartland, but I have to say, if you're ever, you know, really questioning that or thinking about that, just look at Taylor Sheridan. You know, he's not an openly conservative fellow. He is the show runner behind so many shows, including a Yellowstone. And he's got content on Paramount plus, like Landman, like Yellowstone and others as well, Tulsa King, that are either not woke or not

left-leaning. And occasionally, you get a right-leaning moment or a little jab or a little storyline that speaks to an audience that often gets ignored. Landman is probably a perfect example, in part, because it's just good. Billy Bob Thornton plays essentially a fixer in the oil and gas industry, which just gets things done. But the storylines really reflect people and places and

Almost every show he puts out is a hit. And so just go to Paramount plus. Now, he assigned a

contract to move from Paramount plus down the short road, but for now, a lot of his shows are right

there. And it is really notable that he has so much control of what he creates. There's a sense of

“independence there, which is obviously a key part of his success. Christian, thank you so much for”

talking with us. Thanks, my pleasure. That was Christian Toto, host of Hollywood in Toto.

And this has been a weekend episode of Morningwire.

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