The State Of Law Enforcement & The PR Crisis Facing Police Today

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Whether it be from anti-icentiment, in Democrat-run cities, or the way high-profile cases, such as the search for Nancy Guthrie in Arizona, have been handled. In this episode, we sit down with Dan Abrams, host of "On Patrol Live" to discuss the uphill PR battle law enforcement faces, and some of the current high-profile cases shaping the national discussion.

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Dan, thanks for coming on. Happy to do it. So your show on patrol live, which we're going to talk about follows various law enforcement agencies around the country, essentially bringing that ride along experience into people's living rooms.

So we wanted to get your thoughts on a few law enforcement related headlines that are pretty big right now.

The first I want to ask you about is the Nancy Guthrie case.

We've now entered the third week in that case, and you hear a lot of chatter online about how the Tucson police may have really bungled this.

“But I want to hear your perspective, what really stands out to you about this case?”

Well, look, we don't know yet, right? I mean, remember in the Brian Cobra case, people were saying, oh, the police bungled the case, and then, you know, weeks later, we realized, oh, actually, they figured out exactly who it was, and they were able to use cell phone records in video and match them up, and be able to identify exactly who did it.

So it's a little early to start saying, you know, who bungled it, et cetera. But I will say this. There are a number of irregularities with regard to how information has come out, right? And what I hope has not happened is I hope they didn't wait too long to reach out to the FBI. I hope there's been communication going on between the local officials there and the feds,

and even the local officials amongst themselves, because that's critical in an investigation

like this. You know, look, I think there are a lot of people who were saying, you know, well, why did it take so long for example to get the video? You know, look, my understanding is that it wasn't easy, that they literally had to sort

that hadn't been saved. Typically, should that be able to happen faster? I don't know, without knowing the very, very specifics that haven't been made public about this case.

“I think that officials in a high profile case like this are under enormous pressure for answers,”

right? Like, you know, why don't we have this yesterday? And typically, I would be saying, give them time. Let them figure it out. The difference here is you're talking about a kidnapping, potentially a kidnapping.

And so you don't have the time, right?

We can't just say, oh, give them the time to investigate, which is what I'm always saying,

right? Which is, hey, I know that, you know, you watch law and order, and the cases get solved in 24 hours, but real life doesn't often work that way. The problem is when we heard from the beginning, if this was a suspected kidnapping, well, then time is of the essence, and then every minute does matter.

And so it is legitimate to be pushing law enforcement to say, what do you got? I would ask you your theory of the case, but if you've not thought about it too much, I won't. Well, no, it's not that I haven't thought about it, but I think about it all the time. Well, I just don't, what is your theory of what may have happened to Nancy? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I'm relying on them.

I mean, look, I find it, I always found it hard to believe that an 84-year-old woman

was kidnapped, and that then there was no legitimate request for ransom, right? You know, you would think if the idea was to kidnap someone to get something, right? Money, statement, something that they would ask for, and not send it to TMZ, right? That any legitimate ransom request would go to the family, right? And that hasn't happened, which makes me worry that this wasn't a kidnapping.

That's my concern. Yeah, maybe a robbery gone wrong. Is the fit here, right? Yeah. I mean, look, there's a lot of potential scenarios, but, you know, in a case like this, which

is, you know, A so high profile, B so emotionally charged, et cetera, you know what you don't want to do is start throwing out wild theories, right? Oh, she was smuggled into Mexico. I, you know, someone come on my show and say, well, you think, I said, what is the evidence? They even theoretically, that she, well, you know, it's close to the border, okay, it's

close to the border. Yeah. What's the actual, like, give me, like, like, a little Ioda of evidence that she may have been smuggled into Maxwell, you know, just speculation. It's like, wow, okay, look, I'm glad we, I'm glad we informed the Mexican authorities,

right, just in case, but that doesn't mean that there's any credibility to that.

“And I think that that sort of context is really important.”

You noted, you know, the FBI's presence in this case. And there is a lot of times just sort of a conflict or tension between local authorities

in the FBI, at least you perceive that from the outside, maybe that's not the case always.

But there is a lot of scrutiny right now on federal investigators, particularly connected with ICE investigations, and I wanted to get to your, I know this is the kind of authority topic, but I wanted to get your perspective on public perception right now of federal law enforcement. Well, how do you see that going, you know, across the country?

Look, I think the public is smart enough to be able to separate out different departments, right, and not necessarily just lump in the FBI with ICE. And I will tell you that, you know, I have long been a supporter of all of our law enforcement. As you know, I host this, you know, this weekly show about law enforcement and that includes federal law enforcement and includes an includes local law enforcement.

And that means it includes local sheriff's departments and it includes ICE. But that also doesn't mean that we can't be critical if we think that there's been something done wrong.

“Well, I think it's very important to separate out, you know, the ICE agents who I think the vast”

majority of them are doing a very difficult job and doing it well from, I think, leadership. It has been issuing orders, which is making it very difficult for ICE to navigate. What it is they're supposed to be doing and how they're doing it. And so I think it's very different to be, you know, criticism and by the way, if there's individual ICE agents and we've seen some accesses, I think those agents should be held

to account in some way, shape, reform, but on the whole ICE those ICE agents are in a tough spot. For your podcast, frisches opest and knacky-gis-gämüse from Aldi, immergut, immergünstig, immervielfältig,

You know, in the public, I mean, you know, there are kind of in a no-win situation through no fall to their own.

And I always remind people, you know, they're executing on orders.

Does that mean that all of them every single one of them have done it well? No, you know, there are bad apples in all police departments, federal and local, but on the whole, I have sympathy for the agents who are being put into this situation.

“And I think if you want to point the finger at the accesses and I do think that there've been serious”

accesses with regard to some of what we've seen with ICE, you can't blame the agents without, who are supposedly on video without blaming the bosses. Or sometimes the agitence, I mean, we have seen evidence of, you know, clear organization for resistance efforts against ICE, putting people in situations that make it very difficult for law enforcement to make those split-sision, split-second decisions that often, you know, can lead to somebody's injury or even death.

I think a lot of the onus has to be on them as well. I mean, do you agree that some of these organized efforts are really at least walking at very dangerous line there? It depends what the effort is, right? Again, same standard, I applied a local in federal, right?

I try not to get caught up in the, you know, always this ICE, let's just apply the same standard to everybody,

right, which is let's say there's a protest against police.

“My question is going to be, how are you going about doing it?”

Are you doing it in a way that is scary or violent? Yeah, then I'm going to come down on you. And you know what, I think that those people should have the book thrown at them. The people who are engaging in any sort of violence against federal or local officers. I'm always supportive of the maximum for those.

I think it is so dangerous to the fabric of our society to be going after federal or local law enforcement in that way. But to simply say, well, you know, these guys are doing wrong and therefore that somehow puts into context. It puts into context maybe some reactions, right, meaning, and again, I say this in local police all the time, which is if people don't see what happens, beginning middle and end, in the story, they can't make a fair judgment on whether police officers or federal officers have crossed a line.

But just because there are people who are doing things that I wouldn't do, doesn't necessarily justify some of what we've seen from ICE. Another question about sort of holistic question about law enforcement and morale and perception, all that stuff. We have seen recruitment efforts being strained with local law enforcement police forces,

et cetera, from anti-police sentiment over the years. We've seen some reversals in some cities on that on those trends. What have you seen, you know, part of your, the goal of your show, as I understand, it is really, you know, to hold up in many ways and get to see the realities on the ground of how difficult this job is, but how important the job is as well.

“Have you seen any changes in the trends in terms of recruitment for law enforcement?”

Yeah, so on patrol live, as you said, follows between eight and 10 departments for three hours on Friday and Saturday nights. This isn't just a highlight reel, right? The idea is to show you the officers pulling over a vehicle. And you know what, sometimes that's just going to be a traffic stop, right?

And other times, the person's going to flee. And suddenly there's a pursuit going on or some other time, they'll be a domestic call where it's just two people yelling at each other and the police leave and say they're no charges.

And another time, someone will pull out a weapon and suddenly in a split second, those officers

are facing the possibility of a very, very serious situation. So I think that that's one of the things that this show highlights, but what's interesting from your question with regards to recruiting is that in the departments we follow, it actually helps a lot of them with recruiting. And I think that's because there is an appreciation for what law enforcement does.

And that's a good thing. It's a good thing to people say to me sometimes, you know, do you think that your show is turning police officers into celebrities? And my response to them is so actors who pretend to be someone else deserve to be celebrities, they've earned it, they've earned the celebrity in them, but a police officer who serving

his community doesn't deserve it, you know, it's like it doesn't make any sense. So you know, I think that it does help with recruiting when people can see the various things

which is that we only hear in the news media, when this is not typically, when this

an officer involves shooting, or maybe on local news, if there's some, you know, dog that was saved in a tree, right? But apart from that, you don't hear about what officers do on a daily basis. You don't hear about the little things that they do in their communities.

“You don't hear about the risks that they're taking every day, and I think if that's really”

important. So how do you structure the show and film it? So we're in multiple departments with a, you know, a producer, multiple producers in, in many of the cities. We use both a handheld camera, persons literally running after the officers in public spaces,

right, because, you know, a lot of this is happening in public.

So they'll be following them as it's happening. We're seeing all of the screens at once as to what's happening. But we also have loggers who are literally writing down everything it's happening in every department saying, hey, guys, you know, this is interesting, or this is happening, et cetera. And all that stuff is feeding in at once, both visually and with producers who are watching

and assessing.

“And then we got to decide, you know, what makes it on the air?”

And those are sometimes not easy calls, because you don't know what's going to happen next. And it's literally live?

If there's a small delay, it's live, but there's a small delay, because as you

can imagine, you know, when you're in contact with police, social security numbers come up, or a kid is in the shot, or there's an undercover up top, or, you know, or by the way, you know, look, we're not going to show someone, you know, killing themselves, right, or whatever. So we do have to have some amount of a delay, but it's not much.

So it just allows us enough time to be able to protect against mistakes, et cetera. Now understand, you were picked up for 90 episodes, I mean, that's a huge accomplishment. What do you think makes your show stand out so much and made it such a hit? Yeah, I mean, look, this is, you know, we're entering season five here, or season four, I should say.

“And I think that it is compelling to watch police do what they do, and I also think it's”

important. I mean, it's a combination of both. And I think that, you know, there are really serious, high octane moments, and then there are moments that are funny and, and when, you know, engaging with interesting people, who are, you know, engaging with police in some way, shape, or form.

And so, you know, this is, you know, this has been kind of a mega hit show since it launched in, in 22. And every season, we say, oh, you know, can it keep going, but, you know, look, it is, I think the fact that it is live, it is real, I mean, some people who say to me, you know, why are you guys following, you know, this officer who they like watching, and the answer

is, because it's not up to us, it's just like a made for TV show, right? It's the real deal. It's like the departments will say to us, hey, guys, here's who you're riding with, okay, you know, we'll do what you tell us to do. It's the same thing in the news business is when you're kind of embedded with the troops,

right? And, you know, you want to embed with the troops, okay, you play by their rules, and you better abide by them. Now, we still have the final say on what goes on the air, and what does it? But, meaning, when you're in the police car, and I've gone down myself in the field.

And, you know, the officer tells me, all right, here's how you got to do what you got to do, by the way, if there's any, you know, major emergencies, you know, here's how you work this, et cetera. And so, you know, I get a training as do all of our crews when they go out every day on how to do what we do while trying to stay out of their way.

Well, such a creative idea for a show and clearly a hit, Dan, thank you so much for coming on. My pleasure. Thanks for having me. That was Dan Abrams talking about his show on patrol live, which is a new season coming

out. And this has been a weekend edition of '21. [MUSIC] [MUSIC]