A Trail of Questions Vol. II

shrouded in mystery.

“The audio from all three of these stories has been pulled from our main YouTube channel”

and has been remastered for today's episode. The links to the original YouTube videos are in the description.

The first story you'll hear is called Stephen Thomas, and it's about a hiker who leaves

his tent to confront someone or something and does not return. The second story you'll hear is called Just Curious, and it's about a boy scout who goes missing just seconds after being seen. And the third and final story you'll hear is called Into the Forest, and it's about a woman who's recorded on CCTV, entering an infamous forest in China.

But that might be the only part of the story that's grounded in reality. But before we get into today's stories, if you're a fan of the strange dark and mysterious delivered in story format, then you come to the right place because that's all we do, and we upload two, three, even four times every week. So if that's of interest to you, please offer the follow button your seat at the table.

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“Okay, let's get into our first story called Stephen Thomas.”

In April of 1976, 19-year-old Stephen Thomas was asked by his good friend Bruce Weaver if you wanted to join Bruce and Bruce's four other friends on a hike in New York state. Steve didn't know these four others, but he really liked Bruce and he loved hiking so he agreed to go. The mountain they were going to climb was Mount Marcy.

It's one of the biggest mountains on the East Coast, and it's very rugged, very windy, the temperature's dropped dramatically towards the summit. It's a dangerous place, unless you treat it with respect. On the morning that Steve was leaving for this hike, his mother told him that she had bad feeling about the hike and that maybe he should just cancel because it didn't seem

a good idea to be hiking such a rugged mountain, but people he didn't know. But Steve who had a lot of experience hiking said it was totally fine, he was eager to go, and that he would see her in a couple of days. On April 12th, 1976, the six men are making their way up Mount Marcy, and they get near

“the summit by about 330 pm in the afternoon, and even though they could have pressed on and”

made their way up to the summit, they were all really exhausted from the trips so far, and they decided they would make camp where they were, and they would attack the summit the next day, and they were all here to do that, with the exception of Steve. Steve didn't want to stop. Steve was sitting in Bruce's tent, looking at the map of Mount Marcy, and he said to Bruce

hey, do you want to go for a quick walk with me? I just want to walk up the path a little ways, and Bruce was like, no man, I'm tired, let's just go tomorrow. And so Steve just continued to stay up, looking at this map, he made tea for himself, and at some point, a full of the map up and said, hey, Bruce, I'm just going to walk

up the path a little ways, I'll be right back. Bruce told Steve, this was a bad idea, don't go up there on your own, the temperatures are dropping, it's getting dark, it's windy, it's just a disaster waiting to happen, plus

we're all going to be up there first thing in the morning, so there's no reason to go

up right now. But Steve was like, you know, I just don't want to sit here, I'm going to just go. So Steve begins to walk out the other hikers that he didn't know too well, and I came in, just stay here, but again, that Steve's not listening and Steve continues up the trail. When Steve left, he must have thought he was only going to be gone for a few minutes,

because he threw on a rain jacket, this yellow rain jacket over a t-shirt and pants, because he'd been sitting in a warm tent, he just threw on a jacket, and he left his backpack, he just walked out with no supplies to begin walking up this trail. At the time, Steve was walking down that path, the snow was very hard packed, so it was easy to walk on, and there was a full moon, so there was great visibility, so it was

a good night to be doing what Steve was doing, albeit if it had just been for a few minutes. So as Steve was walking away from the camp, even though the other hikers were annoyed with him, they weren't concerned, he had loads of hiking experience in Washington State, he was very eager to do this, and again, it was well lit, the snow was hard packed, they're thinking, okay, he'll be gone for a couple of minutes, and then we'll see him again,

and it'll be just fine. After about an hour, it was dark, and the temperatures are now well below freezing, and Steve is not come back yet, and he was not dressed for the sub-freezing temperatures. So the hikers walk a little ways down the path, and they're yelling out for Steve, but there's no response.

They decide that they have to go to the path and look for him, because the conditions are going to kill him if he doesn't come back and get in his tent soon. When they go back to their tent, to get some of their equipment, to go make this track to go find Steve, one of those four hikers that Steve did not know particularly well, had

brought his dog along for the hike, which apparently he always did, this dog was highly

energetic, went everywhere with the sky, he'd lob-tiking, anytime the dog could go out and go run around, it would do it in a heartbeat, and when this hiker went in his tent, to not only get his own gear, but to get his dog and bring his dog with him to go look for Steve. The dog refused to leave the tent, in fact, a coward in the back of the tent, and acted

like it was scared of something, it was outside of the tent. The dog's owner would tell investigators later that he's never seen his dog act that

He's acting scared of something to the point where he wouldn't stay in the tent, and

all the hikers would go looking for Steve, the dog would rather be alone in a tent, totally

“isolated, then leave that tent, that's how scary he was of whatever it was that was out there.”

So the men go out looking and they can't find Steve, and after a little bit, they end up going back because it's just so dangerous to look for him in the middle of the night. So the group heads back to their tents and they're just praying that he found shelter somewhere on the mountain. The next morning as soon as the sun came up, the hikers immediately start looking for

Steve yelling for Steve, there's no sign of him, and at some point half the group leaves and walks the four hours down the trail to a vehicle where the hikers go drive and get authorities while the other three continue to look and stay near the camp, just in case Steve were to return. Once authorities were notified, they launched one of the largest search and rescue efforts

in the history of New York. They spent two weeks combing this entire mountain. Helicopters, dog teams, searches on the ground, they are looking everywhere. There is no sign of Steve, even though he had this bright yellow jacket on, they can't find anything, he's just totally gone.

“After the official search was terminated after about two weeks, Steve's older brother, Bob,”

who was 26 years old, an amazing shape and very close with his brother, Steve. He quits his job and moves to the Mount Marcie area and spent a whole year searching every inch of this mountain. After in park rangers, at Mount Marcie would joke that Bob knew the mountain better than they did.

Bob had apparently walked over 2,500 miles on Mount Marcie, and it's summited 600 times or more, and every time you would take a different route and search all along the mountain. He has looked everywhere, and he can't find his brother.

Although Bob would never find his brother, he did locate the remains of a hiker who had

gone missing three years earlier, so he was able to provide closure for that family. So, why did Steve feel the need to walk up this trail in the first place, and then what was the dog so scared of after Steve vanished? Because the dog never acted that way, but suddenly something was so terrifying on the outside of their tents that it abandoned its owner and huddled in the tent in fear.

“And then how could Bob have missed his brother, Steve, who was wearing a bright yellow jacket”

after combing every inch of this mountain? The only logical answer is that Steve is not on the mountain, but if he's not on the mountain, where is he? Our next story is called "Just curious." On February 7th, 1970, 16 year old Jeff Hague was hiking along the Appalachian Trail with

his boy scout troop. Jeff had been a boy scout for three years, and he had been on similar hikes in the past, and so he was very comfortable with hiking, with camping, and being outdoors. The hike they had planned was only about two miles long, and it was a beginner trail that was very well marked, and it was brought daylight, so it was a very easy hike to make.

About three quarters of the way through their hike, the scout master had the group stop, and sit down and take a break, and Jeff wound up being the last one to make it into this rest stop. He had kind of fallen behind the group, he looked tired and ragged, and the scout master asked him, "Are you okay, do you need food, do you need water?"

And Jeff would say, "He's just fine, he's just a little bit tired." And so after a few minutes, when the group was getting ready to stand back up again, it started hiking again. One of the senior scouts was not done eating, and so they asked the scout master if they could be the last to leave the site and meet up with them farther down the trail.

The scout master said that was fine, we're pretty close to the end of the hike anyways, and so we'll see in a few minutes. And so Jeff, the scout master, the rest of the group, they all got up, they start hiking down the trail, while this one senior scout stays back to finishing eating. After only a few minutes of walking down the trail, Jeff once again began falling to the

back of the line, until he finally stopped, and he called out to the scout master and said,

"He's not feeling great, he's going to sit down in the middle of the trail and wait for the senior scout, who he knew was still eating at the rest stop. He said he was going to wait for him to catch up with him and then he and the senior scout would walk together the rest of the way." Now, at this point, the scout master's thinking they're only about, you know, 5-10 minutes

from the end of the hike, and so he didn't want him to sit there, but he figured, okay, he's tired, the senior scout's going to be coming through this really well-marked trail any minute, so not a big deal, and he told Jeff, "No big deal, we'll see at the end." And so the scout master, along with the other scouts, makes their way to the end of the trail, which comes to an end in a parking lot, they turn around and they just wait for

Jeff and the senior scout to come out of the trail. A couple of minutes later, the senior scout emerges, but there's no Jeff, and so the scout master goes over to him, and he says, "You know, where's Jeff? And the senior scout is like, "What? I didn't see Jeff. I was alone and then I walked down the trail, and I didn't see anyone."

And so the scout master's like, Jeff was sitting in the middle of the trail, like, maybe

"No, I didn't see him."

“And so in a panic, the scout master and the rest of the scouts ran back up the trail, because”

it wasn't that far to get back to that rest stop, and they're looking for signs of Jeff the whole way, and there's none. At the rest stop, they turned around, and were yelling for Jeff the whole way back down to the parking lot, and again, they didn't see him, so they hopped in the van, they'd left in this parking lot, and they drove to the park headquarters where they informed park services that they're missing one of their scouts.

The park service immediately sent teams out to the area where Jeff had gotten lost, and they called the police who sent out a whole another crew of people to assist in the search. Considering how well marked the trail was, everybody was baffled that Jeff could get lost so quickly and so completely. Luckily, Jeff had a pack on that contained warm clothes, a sleeping bag, food, water, and matches, and so they're looking around, and there's snow

on the ground, and it's already starting to snow some more, and they're thinking, you know, he does have basic survival skills, and he's got some supplies, he should be able to survive on his own out here for a couple of days if we can't find him. Over the following week, despite hundreds of people out looking for Jeff in this area, they couldn't find him, and making matters worse, is the temperature was plummeting every single day to the

point where every night was well below freezing. On the 16th, almost exactly a week from when Jeff went missing, they made a big discovery. They found his pack sitting on a rock

“in the middle of this AC river, where the only way it could have been placed on this rock”

is if he was standing in the water, which would have been at least way steep. And even more strangely, is all the contents of the bag had been pulled out and placed neatly on the rock, as if someone was taking careful inventory of what was inside, and it didn't look like anything was missing. Although at the time, there was no good theory as to why

the pack was where it was, and why it looked the way it did, what basically everyone could

agree to at this point, is, now that Jeff does not have his supplies, he's almost certainly dead or going to die soon. And sure enough, two days later, Jeff's body was found approximately 1,000 meters upstream of where the pack had been found in the river. Jeff was found sitting up against a tree, as Jacket was unzipped, his pants were unzipped and pulled down slightly. He did not have a hat on, he didn't have gloves on, he had removed his socks,

but put one of his boots back on. His body didn't have any scratches on it, and he didn't have

“any broken bones, it was determined he died from exposure. So with Jeff's discovery,”

there were naturally a lot of questions. The first one being, why did Jeff weighed into an icy river, and places pack on a rock, and then take everything out, and lay it out on this rock, only to then abandon his pack, and walk when 1,000 meters upstream, and sit down at a tree and start taking his clothes off. And even if he had a good reason to leave his pack and go upstream to that tree, he would have known that if he doesn't go back down

to get the contents from that pack, he was going to die. His legs weren't broken, he could walk, but he didn't, he sat at the tree until he died. And regardless of the pack mystery,

why did he leave the trail in the first place? The last thing he said to his scout master was

he was going to sit on the trail and wait for the senior scout to finish eating and come meet him. He was not indicating that he was going to go anywhere. He was actually saying I'm going to be right here. So there's nothing about his behavior that indicated he wanted to voluntarily leave the trail. Yet based on what they saw, it looks like as soon as the scout master turned around and walked down the trail, Jeff must have hopped up and ran off the trail and jumped into the river and

taken his pack off and ran up to the tree and taken some clothes off and sat down and slowly died. Now of course none of this makes any sense unless you consider an alternative theory put forth by people involved in the search and that was Jeff was abducted. In that moment of time when he was sitting on the trail and a scout master had walked away and the senior scout had not finished eating it so had not seen Jeff yet while he's sitting there by himself, somebody was in the tree line

watching Jeff saw this moment of weakness and rushed up and took him. That theory does explain a lot of the strangeness around the scene where Jeff was found but it requires someone to abduct Jeff for no clear reason. They weren't even interested in Jeff. They brought him down to the tree and then were just kind of curious about him. They didn't physically harm him. They kept him

from going anywhere and that ultimately harmed him but there were no marks on him. He was not attacked

and then after he passed or shortly before they just took his pack and were rifling through it and putting it on the rock and looking at each piece inside the pack but they didn't take anything. They left it where it was and then they vanished. But what kind of a person is just hanging out along the Appalachian Trail randomly abducting people and toying with them as if they're a child toying with an ant.

The next and final story of today's episode is called "Into the Forest."

a convenient store in a small village in China. She was wearing a bright red distinctive coat

“and in her hands were a whole bunch of snacks that she had just purchased. So Fei had lived in this”

village her whole life. She was a very simple person and she had a really specific daily schedule

that she basically always adhered to. And it was, she would get up early, she would throw in her jacket

and she would head out to this convenient store, get some snacks and then she would either go back home or she lived with her husband or she would go to her parents house or her sister's house to pay them a visit. And that was basically what she did every single day. And so this day it started exactly the same as every other day and after she left the store and she began eating some snacks and you know thinking about where she was going to go next, whether it was her house or a relative's house,

she's walking down this road when suddenly she hears people calling out to her and so she stops and she turns and there are these five people that are clustered together standing at the top of this trailhead. So Fei's village was home to this beautiful hiking trail that started right where these people were standing. The trail went up this mountain side and up into this huge forest where

“there were all these ponds and waterfalls. I mean it was strikingly beautiful. And that area,”

the forest with all the ponds was called the 18 ponds of the dragon king. It was called that because there were literally 18 ponds sort of scattered throughout this forest and then also the village where Fei lived that was right up against it while it meant dragon king in Chinese. But even though

Fei had grown up here, she had never once gone on that hiking trail. She had heard about it and

loads of her friends and family had all been up there and talked about it striking beauty but Fei, she had always stayed away but there was actually a pretty good reason for that. So Fei, when she was younger, she had this tumor and in order to get rid of it, she had to take all this medication that was pretty physically harmful and left her with some pretty serious long-term effects. And even though the tumor did go away and she recovered, that process of recovering and taking

all those medications and going to the doctor, it's sort of instilled in her this mentality that she was frail and delicate and that she shouldn't take any chances and risk getting hurt.

“And so she really never did anything that was even remotely risky or even perceived to be risky.”

Like, for example, hiking up into the mountains, too risky for her and so she avoided it. And instead, you know, she kind of developed this really simple, safe daily routine of getting snacks and visiting family and that's all she ever did. And while in some ways, this did, you know, keep Fei safe, it also made her very isolated and lonely. You know, she didn't really have any friends or do anything. She was just kind of stuck in her ways. And so Fei is on this road and these

villagers, these five villagers over at the trailhead, have just deliberately called to her by name. They're saying, "Hey, Fei, over here." And Fei's turn and she's looking at them and they're clearly getting ready to go hike up into the 18 pawns of the dragon king and they tell her, "Hey, come with us, come hiking with us, like, come check it out." And for Fei, this was so unusual. This was not even remotely how her life went, that there was something in her that for a second

just felt really excited. I mean, she did sort of rely on her schedule and her discipline of doing the same thing every day, it kept her safe, but like this sudden invitation from these people, these villagers, it just felt like, "Why not? Why not do something different for once?" And she's also thinking, "You know, how dangerous can it be?" You know, I'm with other people, they seem really competent, you know? Maybe this is a good idea, maybe I'll just go with them,

you know, what the heck? See what happens? And so Fei found herself just sort of drifting over to these very friendly five people and saying, "You know what? What the heck? Yeah,

welcome with you. I've never been up there, I'm sure it's great, let's go."

And so sure enough, Fei and her newfound five friends from the village, they begin hiking up this trail. And over the next couple of hours, I mean, Fei is seeing a beautiful landscape that she was so close to her whole life that now she's seeing for the first time and it's like revelatory, she can't believe that she's lived this close to this majesty for so long and she's never seen it, like this was a life-changing experience for her. And so her mood is just so good and these five

people are so wonderful and they're all chattering and talking about their lives and, you know, Fei's opening up about hers and her health scares and all these different things and eventually they make their way into the forest, which is really dense, but they eventually reach one of these ponds, one of the 18 ponds. And it's got this huge clearing and all the sunlights pouring in and there's a waterfall leading into the pond. I mean, it's truly stunningly beautiful,

Fei's friends, they all take a seat right on the shore of the pond and they break out some snacks and Fei, she sits down, she's got those snacks she bought from the convenience store and they basically have a picnic right on the shore. And for Fei, it was like this was the most amazing day potentially of our whole life. She had broken out of her comfort zone, she had met these wonderful people who are so inclusive and here she is experiencing this unbelievable natural

beauty like the day couldn't get any better. But as she was sitting there on the side of the pond enjoying this beautiful scene, she started to feel really intensely fatigued and at first she's

hiked up this mountain into this forest of course I'm tired." But she felt herself kind of slumping back on the rock she was on and almost like positioning herself like she might lay down and sleep and then before long it was like the world around her began getting hazy and you know she could see her friends still talking and they weren't really looking at her or they're just kind of enjoying their food and then it was like Fei just could not keep her eyes open and she put her head down,

closed her eyes and she fell asleep. When Fei woke up again she was still laying in that same spot but now it was dark and also her five friends were gone. She was all alone next to this pond in the middle of this forest and for Fei it was like immediately this jolt of panic rocketed through her. She starts looking around for these you know friends of hers that got to be here somewhere if they wouldn't just abandon her they were so nice. How could this possibly be? What she's

looking around and all she can see is just darkness. I mean there's some moonlight coming through the clearing over the pond but when she looked into the tree line it was just all dark and there's

“no one. While she can hear as birds and insects you know night sounds and remember Fei is not”

somebody who would ever find herself in this position. This is so far out of her comfort zone. Alone at night in this forest in this austere environment suddenly it felt very austere and she's terrified and at the same time her mind starts telling her oh my gosh this whole thing was a trap. Those five people weren't my friends. They brought me up here. They tricked me. They drugged me or maybe they've left and they're going to come back and hurt me and so she's

thinking like oh I'm in danger I have to get out of here and she turns and she looks at the trail that brought them up here and all she sees is just this dark tree line and there's this cut path

through the trees that's basically pitch black and she's thinking I have to walk through that alone

in the middle of the night she didn't have a light or anything that would help guide her way out of here but as she's sitting there panicking she's thinking I have to go right now like it's life or death and so she stands up and immediately she feels really weak on her feet like she's super

“fatigue still but it's like adrenaline is coursing through her body she's got to get out of here”

and she starts stumbling her way into the tree line where it's super dark and she's trying to stay on this trail but she keeps deviating because it's so dark and she's bumping into trees and she keeps hearing noises all around her that she's convinced are these five people coming back to hurt her or animals or she doesn't know what I mean she is in full panic mode here but just for hours or what felt like hours she'd stumble through these trails you know getting completely

disoriented and finally she comes to the stream and she just stops and she's sitting there and she

realizes you know the sun is starting to come up so she kneels down and she scoop some water into her mouth and right as the sun comes up across the mountain side there's enough light that miraculously she realizes she can actually see a path down the side of the mountain that she believes will bring her back to her village like she's gonna get out of here on the scale presumably and so she kind of catches her breath she gets another step from the stream and then with the help of the sunlight

she navigated her way to this trail that she could see and down the mountain she went and as she was going down this mountain she looked down towards her village and she saw clearly there was a big group of people presumably villagers out looking for her there were right down on the trail and fake you know she's waving and calling out to them and a few of the people in the crowd they're looking up at her and maybe from the distance they couldn't really tell who she was or what she

was doing but there was some level of recognition but she couldn't really tell what the reaction of the crowd was but she had gotten their attention and phase so excited and down the hill she goes suddenly she feels totally rejuvenated because she's gonna be okay and she gets closer to this big crowd of people and she sees now it's friends it's family it's definitely her people but the looks on their faces are not the looks that phase expecting I mean she did understand that you know

clearly I've been out here at least for several hours they must have organized the search party they've been worried about me but here I am like they got to be relieved now right like they've found me but no the looks on all these people's faces were of shock were of horror not really sure what to make of fake coming down the mountainside toward them and then when fake got close enough to the group that she could actually make out individual faces face saw her

sister in the crowd and she waved to her sister and said hey I'm okay it's okay everything's fine like come on everything's fine and phase sister kind of broke ranks very hesitantly and then she

finally jogs up to Fay and the two embrace and it's this really emotional moment and phase

sister says to Fay where have you been and Fay kind of steps back from her and says oh you know yesterday

“or a few hours ago I don't know a kind of lost track of time but I think it was yesterday”

you know I saw these five people and you know we kind of made our way into the mountains I don't know I shouldn't have done it but I fell asleep and you know here I am I'm so sorry if I scared you you know but I really I'm okay but phase sister it's like she was hearing what Fay was saying but couldn't process it and eventually her sister kind of stepped back and looked at Fay and just said I can't be true you've been gone for 17 days Fay didn't really have time to appreciate what she

back up again because pretty much immediately Fay was rushed to the hospital where doctors discovered

“she had lost 60 pounds she was horribly malnourished and dehydrated I mean they didn't understand”

how she was still alive and while Fay is being treated she began to hear like what had happened over the past 17 days she had been gone you know they had security footage that showed when Fay went into the woods because she had on that bright red distinctive coat they caught her walking into the forest there she goes so they knew she was up in the seven and a half mile stretch which is this you know 18 pounds of the dragon king it's a distinctive seven and a half mile plot they knew

she had to be up there and also because this was around the time of COVID there were really strict checkpoints of all the other villages in the area so anybody going in and out of these villages they'd be documented and they knew Fay had not gone into any of the surrounding villages so she had to be in the 18 pounds of the dragon king that seven and a half mile stretch but despite launching a huge search party into that seven and a half mile stretch to go look for her and also firing

off fireworks left and right to try to get her attention not only did nobody find any trace of Fay

but Fay would also say I never heard fireworks I never heard or saw any searchers from her perspective

it literally felt like she had just fallen asleep for a few hours and woken up and here she was not 17 days but eventually Fay would actually go into detail about the specifics of what she remembered about this ordeal namely she would talk about those five people her new friends who sort of encouraged her to go up into the 18 pounds of the dragon king and she remembered their names what they looked like she remembered discussion she had with them and she painted them as wonderful people

but it's like she just woke up and they were gone and so she thought you know maybe they

“had tricked her and you know maybe they drugged her and that's why she can't remember the stuff”

or she didn't know what but she couldn't reconcile the fact that they seemed like such nice people but must have had something to do with what's happened here but after Fay said that her family they kind of looked at each other like Fay those can't be the five people you were with and Fay's like why and they're like because the five people you named and described they've been dead for a long time now Fay was incredulous but when they reviewed the security footage that showed Fay

clearly in her bright red distinctive coat walking up the trail into the 18 pounds there was nobody else with her those five people they're not on camera so the 18 pounds of the dragon king is not just a beautiful hiking destination it's also believed to be haunted locals claim that when they look up at the mountain side that the trail passes through and then up to that

“forest as well they can sometimes see these eerie blue lights moving around in the trees that”

nobody can explain there's a story that you know people that have died their spirits sort of hunt this area looking for living people to switch places with in fact when Fay began coming down

the mountain side and she looked and saw that huge crowd of people that she believed was basically

you know her search party out to look for her well in reality that wasn't the case one of the locals had looked up and seen what he thought was another one of those lights not a blue light but a red light it was Fay's red jacket he'd seen this red thing bouncing around off in the distance and he thought it was you know one of these strange lights a ghost let's say and so he had told people in the village and everybody was really excited and they ran out to go see what it was

and it sort of was a ghost it was Fay who'd been gone for 17 days coming down the mountain and nobody could believe it they were so shocked and so to this day nobody knows what actually happened to Fay all we know is we have her on camera disappearing into this trail into this forest in the mountain side and then turning back up 17 days later keep in mind before this the longest anybody had survived out there after getting lost was 12 days and it was this young man who

was really fit who barely survived Fay was in horrible shape and she was out there for 17 days but somehow she showed up alive Fay still lives in the village today and her story at least from

her perspective has never changed

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