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And I go first today. So, Marin,

I believe suggested this after reading a book. And the book is Bad Bridget, crime mayhem, and the lives of Irish immigrant women. No, by Dr. Zalaine Ferrell and Leanne McCorme. How fitting.

So of course, as we are heading into St. Patrick's Day, we do love to celebrate the holidays. Here are my favorite murder, it's what we do. But I'm an zoom in on a very specific corner of the Irish diaspora, which is Irish girls and women who immigrated to North America in the late 1800s.

And the early 1900s, we remember them as tireless, resilient, selfless women who worked their fingers to the bone to build a better life for their families. It's very true having being very related to some Irish women of this era. We're distinct, they're diverse, they're a complex and

regardless of whether history remembers them individually as saints or sinners.

Their stories are always filled with an incredible amount

of humanity and of course humor. So here's a few of the cases unearthed by the Irish historians, Elaine Ferrell and Leanne McCorme for their book, Bad Bridgets. There's also a deep dive podcast that they made called Bad Bridget.

“So if you want to hear more of these stories,”

because they've got a bunch of them, because they're basically like the crime records of the day, so you can go and listen to that. So these women basically are referred to as Bad Bridgets, because Bridget is very common Irish name at the time.

And in the 19th century, Bridget was a catch-all kind of shitty nickname for Irish women in general, because there were so many domestic workers who had immigrated to America. So they were the Bridgets where everywhere. So this is roughly between the years of 1850 and the early 1900s, where Irish immigrants have arrived at ports in these cities

around the country in huge numbers. They are mostly poor. They're mostly Catholic, not Protestant, and they're not... I was sorry.

And they're deeply unwelcome by the white Protestant establishment. So the people that came over in the Mayflower, those are the Protestants. The Catholics were the ones that were being persecuted in many places. So that's why some Catholics came over. Many people, though, were starving from the Irish potato famine,

which was, in fact, the British government with holding food from the Irish. We're just getting everything real clear here on the same Patrick's Day. Got it. So when these immigrants arrived, there were signs and shop windows that said, "No, I need to apply." There was a lot of what now seems kind of like really Irish racism,

but it was part of the across the board racism,

“that I think every immigrant probably dealt with coming into America at the time.”

So Irish immigrants were shut out of decent paying work. They're packed into tenements. They're over-surveiled, they're over-policed, and that means they're disproportionately represented in the prison systems. It sounds familiar because it is familiar.

Early 1860s in New York City, Irish women account for four out of every five women in the jails or prisons that are there. Wow. Yeah. In turn of the century Boston, Irish women and girls make up nearly

40% of the prison population, despite the cities overall population being less than 20% Irish. And of course, these numbers are used to justify ugly stereotypes that Irish women are inherently criminal or morally corrupt,

but the second you dig into the actual stories

behind these stats, of course, things are much more complex. So that brings us to our first bridge that I'm going to be talking about, a woman named Bridget McCool. In 1804, she arrives in Massachusetts as a teenager. She finds work as a laundress and in a mill. Then she marries a guy named Thomas, but it's not a good relationship.

He abandoned her within two years, and he leaves her penniless. And because she's a poor Irish Catholic woman, divorce is basically off the table. It stigmatized by the church, like it especially back then. It just never happened. But on top of that, it was expensive, and it was time consuming.

And yet, a woman abandoned in like a major city, who has no idea where her next meal is coming from, needs a husband for a shot at financial stability. So Bridget gets remarried without first divorcing Thomas, so she's a bigist.

Yeah, just go away.

“I mean, how do you prove better that you should have been divorce?”

Then it'd be that kind of guy. Hey, I left her, now she's remarried. I'm a Jewish and a Nark. What a combination. More so, he's remarried at this point.

Come on, so he basically shoots himself in the foot, because they both wind up being arrested

because they're both adulters and bigimists. Bridget spends two years in prison, but when she gets out her personal life doesn't improve over the next couple of decades, when she serves out her sentence, she tries to pick up the pieces of her life. She gets married a third time.

Again, still hasn't gotten that initial first divorce. So she gets sent back to her reformatory. And once she completes the sentence, and after her relationship with husband number three ends, she goes ahead and illegally marries a fourth time. Okay, good, God.

She's just doubling tripling quadrupling down. This one's actually a remarriage to her second husband, who financially supported her after Thomas has been number one left. But then, once she's in this marriage, the twist is that Bridget McCool finds out that her current husband, so number two and number four, one guy.

He's been lying this whole time about being a widow or a woman he'd married years earlier, who he's no longer with, but hadn't divorced, isn't fact still alive. This is really romantic, because yesterday was mine in Vince's 10-year anniversary. It just feels like a great story for this time. To show you how it could be and that how it is, not?

Yeah, that's exactly. I would imagine a lot less lying from our man Vince. Less lying less prison time. He is no fucking nark, I'll tell you about it right now. He's certainly no nark though.

That is very true. And you know what, he wouldn't call himself a widow or unless he really was a widow. Thank you. Well, of course, this betrayal is what finally pushes Bridget to seek an obtain illegal divorce on the grounds of cruelty.

And finally, that story like wraps up. But it's that kind of thing where it's like thinking about the immigrant experience, you are left, you're sent away from your family off in a loan or with maybe one or two other people trying to make it in a place like New York City, Boston, wherever. And one thing goes wrong, and then it all goes totally.

And as much as I want to be like, why should you keep doing that?

It's like because you'll never know how fucking difficult life was.

And is for other people, so I'm not going to write it. And this idea that especially back then, women, it was like, you can be a long dress and touch everybody's shit stains. She's right. Or you could be a sex worker.

“Like, but that's the worst thing morally that the man in the sky thinks.”

Right. Okay. So even though Bridget McCool is technically a criminal in the eyes of the law, she's clearly not a bad woman. And she's, it basically just drives home.

This truth that the law punishes the people who are just trying to survive the worst, usually. And that's a common theme for sex workers from this era. And there were a lot of them at the turn of the 20th century. In New York City in 1870, for example, the New York Times reports that there were more than

10,000 sex workers at the time when the city's population is just under one million people.

And that means this is the new, how much in today's money. So that means one sex worker for every 100 New Yorkers. Wow. As Dr. Varyl and Dr. McCormick point out in their book, the past Irish women and girls take into sex work is not monolithic.

Some are vulnerable, some have no connections or legal protections in the US. Some are exploited by bad men right after they arrive. I think I've told you the story, but my grandmother came here when she was 17 with her two sisters. They land in New York City, they go through Ellis Island, and then they're supposed to meet a sponsor. And the sponsor is the person that set them up with work, which is the reason they were able to come.

And sometimes they come on a loan and the sponsors like, "I fronted you this money. Now you're going to go work here." It's not great. So they landed in this man meets them at the docks or whatever. And he's like, you know, my grandmother described it to my aunt who described it to me,

that he was just kind of some blow hard with like, you know, in white linen. And he drives them into, to a tenement house on the Lower East Side and walks them up and puts them into this apartment that's one room basically. And he's like, and I'll be here in the morning and you better be ready and that it and the door shuts and he leaves. And my grandmother, who's 17 years old at the time, turns to her older sister, and her younger sister and goes, "I don't know about you guys, but I'm

getting out of here." And they had a postcard that they used to have in their house in Longford, Ireland, a relative sent them a postcard of San Francisco. So my grandma said, "Let's go to San Francisco. The streets are really clean there."

“Oh my god. And that's how our family came to be.”

It was like across the fucking entire country, I'm 17.

And like basically like, "Fuck this shit."

“This ain't me. I want to guess somewhere else. It's so crazy. So that idea that like the amount of”

money and trust people were putting into the hands of like basic strangers to say, "Please take care of my teenager. Please take care of my family member." Once you get here, obviously, a whole different story. So many intersex work because it's preferable to low pay taxing labor, long hours of domestic or laundry work. I mean, there's some people who just make that choice, but oftentimes people were forced into it. And of course, there's all the risks that come with that decision,

which is of course disease, infection, unwanted pregnancies, male violence, and then incarceration. So this brings us to our second bad Bridget, a woman named Marion Canning, who arrives in New York city in 1890 when she's 18 years old. She moves into a tenement on Mulberry Street in Victoria's five-point neighborhood of Laura Manhattan. So my grandma's story would be

“25, 30 years later. Wow. Okay. But that crazy far out. Which is the weird. Yeah, that's very weird.”

Marion's building has a reputation. At the time that she lives there, multiple stabings and murders are reported inside. It's also thought that a brothel is operating out of it, which is probably how she came to live there. So fast forward a year after her arriving in the city is July 1891. Marion's heading to her home one evening when a firefighter named Richard Brunkbank approaches her outside, propositions her for sex. She brings him inside,

and then later on, he ends up accusing her of stealing his watch and some of his money. Someone calls the police. We're not sure which one of the two of them. Richard claims he calls the police to report the theft. Marion says she called the police because she wanted a cops help because she was being falsely accused. Yeah. Either way, Richard's watch and cash

“are not found on Marion, but she's charged with theft and carted off to jail anyway. We'll never”

know if she was innocent or if she did rob Richard and hide his possession somewhere in her apartment. What we know is that many sex workers of this era do pick through their clients' pockets knowing that the stigma of them hiring a sex worker is going to keep them from being reported. But even if Marion is innocent of this crime, which she very well might be, she's guilty by her association with sex work in the eyes of the people that they're reporting to and she

pays the price for it. She sentenced to seven years in prison for this unproven theft. Wow. Fortunately, her parents and Ireland find out that she's in prison. They don't know why though. And her father ends up writing a letter to a judge, the judge from Marion's trial, and to the governor of New York, begging to have his daughter back and promising to write her course and asking for a clemency for her. And it actually works. The governor's sympathetic

and Marion, who's now 21, gets a pardon. And after less than a year of serving her sentence, she's freed from jail. Marion's father sends money for her trip back to Ireland, so she goes back home and gets married not long after. And as Leanne McCormick writes, quote, it's unlikely that anyone in her hometown ever knew the exact details of what had happened to her in New York, the disgrace attached to being in prison would have been enough to prevent a marriage taking place

never mind the additional shame of having been involved in sex work. Right. So she's incredibly

lucky because she has the kind of family that's like, wait, we can take her back and we can do something with this. But most people were like leaving and be in. And she lived a quiet life after that. So both Bridget McCool and Marion canning are punished and criminalized for trying to make their way in a foreign land without money, connections, or protection. And they're, of course, our countless stories like this. But not every bad Bridget fits this mold. The next Bridget,

I'm going to tell you about seems to commit crimes because she's really good at it, not because she's desperate. I sounds fun. Right. So we're back in New York City, 19th century. And the police are doing something revolutionary for the time, which is their photographing criminals and compiling

their images into big books that are basically our early mugshot databases. This is really helpful

because so many criminals take on aliases and basically are, it's easy to evade the lock as they're just kind of like, no, it's me, Jerry. So it signfelt. No. No, wait, that's Jerry RCA. And you know, I know it and you know it. We can't prove it. Oh, so of course mugshots are like such scientific advancement because now suddenly they can, it's not based on memory. It's like it's this guy right here. They assemble one book in 1886 that features 204 criminals at large in New York City.

And one of those criminals is old mother Hubbard. No. Well, not the real one. Got it.

because she just looked like an unassuming little old lady. Her name is actually Margaret Brown.

“But she's not the Margaret Brown from the Titanic, the unsinkable Molly Brown that I've talked to you”

about. Bridgets and Margaret's and Brown's and, fucking green green and orange. And green and orange we've taken over. We've, we've been under the skin of this country for such a long time the Irish. So this Margaret Brown, just I think like being named Jim Smith, probably. There's a lot of unknowns about her and of course she does have many other names besides Margaret Brown. We don't even know if that's her real name. It's just one of the names. She claims her legal name is Elizabeth Haskins.

We don't know if that's true. She also goes by Eliza Burnham, Jane Hutchinson and Mrs. Arthur Young. Which I'm taking that one. We don't know how old she is. Some of the best historical sources place her anywhere from her 60s to her 80s. Can we see that mugshot in here, Molly? That's another one of those. Is it an old hat? Yeah. There's a young lady. Turn it upside down. And it's a base for real. Yeah. Also is it a wig and a hat? I feel like if I hadn't started

“getting Botox at 33, that's what I would look like right now. Yeah, you know. I mean, it's dead on.”

It's so you. It's very me. You and your big hats and your downturn. I love it when people's expression is like literally fully downturn. But it looks like Margaret can't smile if she wants to know. No. If only she knew she was surrounded by beautiful balloons. This is where you get to Margaret. Okay, so I think she in that picture, I think she was, if it's 1886, I bet you she was in our late 50s. Yeah. It's one of those. Yeah. What she is is a superstar street thief

who's operated in a large number of cities like Boston, Philly, St. Louis as far away as Texas. Local newspapers have described her as quote, one of the most successful and notorious pickpockets and shop lifters in the country. I mean, can we just say how fun? Right. Sorry, don't fucking steal from people. But look, she's like, I stole that hat. I stole it right

off the dummy's head. Okay, so here's what we can't piece together about Margaret's life. She's

born in Ireland. She emigrates to the US. She takes on legitimate domestic work. And she eventually falls in with a woman named Frederick a Mendelbaum or Marm or Mother Mendelbaum. And we've actually talked about Mother Mendelbaum on their show before. She's a legendary fence. So remember that lady that used to sell stuff like the criminals would come to her and she was like the middle man. No, but it sounds right. It's a Mendelbaum. Mrs. Mendelbaum and she's basically made her own way

with the criminals and by the criminals. She moves stolen goods and she becomes a maternal figure for the gang of burglars and thieves and con men and women. On the Lower East Side, Margaret Brown is one of those people. Mary clearly said, no, to Karen, Mendelbaum is Jewish, not Irish. Yeah. And also you cover her. Right. That makes sense. All of it. The name of the

“episode you cover to her and is called is episode 414 Weather Influencers. Remember that hit?”

No, but I want so much to the vet right now. So. Okay. We'll just focus. Yeah. Is going fast? Helping or would it be better to go slow? No, I'll fall asleep if you go slow. Okay. Margaret's specialty is pick pocketing, which at the time is mostly left to children and sex workers. We'll grab your hands. Yeah, get in there. It's like the best thing about for me, the musical Annie, is just the idea that it's like, but there's orphans, but there's also children on the

street urchins that are out there, just like, make it at work. Yeah. But Margaret was a kind face and

pretty hazel eyes, of course, has a real neck because she looks like a sad little little lady never

expect an old lady to do anything. So she develops her own signature MO. It's complete with a costume. She always wears these long calico dresses like Little Bo Peep or Mother Goose. Pick true in my cat for some really calico. But there's a lot of fur on the outside patches. Okay. Basically doing grandma drag. Yeah. So it really looks like she's unassuming and right? She targets busy shops and department stores where she uses her quick agile hands to lift things off of oblivious customer.

So she's shoplifting off the shoppers. Got it, which is kind of smart. Yeah. Because they're watching the goods, not the people's pockets, right? Sure. So one officer describes her as having quote a specialty of opening hand bags, removing the pocketbook and closing them again. Whoa. That is as bad as that's like an unnecessary. You're showing off this point. You don't need to do that.

persons. Those ones with a big ball class like a snap loudass class. Yeah. She stashes the stolen

“loot in a waste bag that she's wearing under her dress. Okay. She's also known to use a long”

wire, which she might stick out of her pocket or through a shopping basket. And after identifying her mark, the person she's going to steal from, she'll position the wire so that it gets tangled in that person's clothing. As Margaret with all her grandmotherly sweetness, a apologetically works to untangle the wire, she does a slight of hand move into the pockets of the mark and steals their value. But so I'm so sorry of you. Okay over here. In one documented theft, Margaret steals

$260 from a man's satchel. Okay. 1918-1990-260. I'm going to go 21,000. 20,000. It's $3,200. Sorry. Did I mean? I'm tired. I'm tired. Also, I won't stop playing this game. I know. I won't stop

letting you play it. I'm doing it. Sorry. Why would I be carrying? Yeah. Yeah. She just basically

makes bank off one man. Great. But she keeps going. And as skilled as she is said to be, she does get caught several times. After one of her arrests, police discover she's wearing an expensive silk dress under her cheap dress. Okay. She's got the layer on it. Awesome. Where she's like, I'm actually very stylish this year. Right. Nearly a costume. In a criminal career that said to span four or five decades, Margaret will serve time in Chicago, Boston, and New York,

including a stint at Blackwell's Island, just a few years before trailblazing journalist Nelly Bligh goes undercover there. Wow. She's seen all the bad shit. If you want to know the story of trailblazing journalist Nelly Bligh, which is it's pretty good. It's in episode four or one keep a lid on it. You know that one. So during a different incarceration at Juliette in Illinois, in the 1870s, this or early work, per some sources Margaret would be in her 70s.

But she tries to escape, which I don't buy it because I think her. Yeah. She's probably wanted to look older than she actually was, right? And was lying to people who helped. They wrote in the book that she was innocent. Right. But she probably wasn't. And here's baby proof of this theory.

“You just call me baby. Hey, baby. I think I said, here's maybe. Yeah. Did I even say what am I on?”

She reportedly tries to escape from jail by jumping out of a third story window. No, just just

just hang out. She falls to the ground and almost dies from her injuries. But she doesn't die from those injuries. She recovers. She completes her prison sentence. And she continues creating a paper trail of arrests as she keeps it up into the 1880s. Her documented arrests stopped somewhere around 1885. Whether this is when she dies, when she retires or if she just stops getting caught, altogether is a mysterious piece of her story. By the early 20th century, the number of Irish

immigrants arriving in North America starts to slow down. Discrimination softens. Irish Americans begin seeing real upward mobility as Lane Farrell and Lynn McCormick right in their book, Bad Bridget. Quote, "The dominant narrative of Irish immigration to North America became focused on those who came from humble beginnings in Ireland and made a better life for themselves. They are their children went on to become pillars of society. They became the

Kennedys of political dynasty or the eatens who established Canada's largest department searching. But as the Irish became more upwardly mobile, establishing themselves within North American society, there was no appetite on either side of the Atlantic to face up to the reality that many Irish female immigrants did not succeed and that many ended up on the wrong side of the law,

“telling the stories of these women is crucial to our understanding of the Irish past."”

End quote. And so today as we celebrate St. Patrick's Day, we are honoring the bridges of all kinds and the margarits and the marions and the anines and her two sisters who as poor women belong to a demographic that is so often omitted from history books. But now thanks to the tireless efforts of Farrell and McCormick and all of the historians that are keeping all of this history alive for all of us and the history of the Bad Bridget's

life specifically, the stories are finally being told and of course there's a movie in the works starring

Daisy Edgar Jones from normal people and it's going to be directed by the director Rich Peppia, but I don't know if you ever saw that 2024 movie kneecap about the Irish rappers and they're super

do they call that? It's like a pseudo-dock where it's like scripted but it's based on their real lives

and how they basically bust it out as these kind of like Irish, I guess rappers but they like

their shit is about like freeing Palestine and stuff like their hyper-political global, it's very, very cool and the movie's great and got a lot of awards so the Bad Bridget's movie is going to be made by the kneecap guy which is very deserved very on-feme and that's the story of the Bad Bridget's of early America. Wow I love that term Bad Bridget's like that's just encapsulates so much to have pictures. The lower East side, that's five points, there's a tenement house,

look at that tenement house. Picture my grandma going, I don't know about you guys but I'm not staying here absolutely not she said she said no way too much clutter. God that's so crazy. There's the mug shot

“database it wasn't a book. Wow that's why Mary and Call of the Database it literally looks like”

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in the show notes so it's the fall of 2013 take us back and we're in Stuyvesnt high school in Lower Manhattan Stuyvesnt is one of New York City's nine specialized high schools so they have these high schools admission to these schools is determined only by a single academic entrance exam which is all eighth graders take it's really difficult to get into these schools yeah it's an incredibly competitive environment and the pressure is very high to if you get in you

“still fucking better perform and actually that's how school is so that one test no”

fame is one of those like the school where fame came from is one of the schools it happens to just be performing arts that one all the other ones are based more on sorry no no I just when you said that about the schools I thought of the fame high school but then I was like don't try to change the subject to what you like talking about so that's kind of exciting it is. Kate went to that high school. Stuyvesnt? You bad am I saying it right? She says it's right.

What the fuck got down there. That's crazy like hot lunge jam you stood on the table in the cafeteria and stuff not the fame one this one oh this one the Athens science school yeah not fame not firm she could have done both but the fame of math and science whatever that for realning musical that musical is the musical you want to see yeah these are some of the best high schools in the country and it's generally agreed upon that among these schools Stuyvesnt is

the best in the city you know these schools draw from all over the city and Stuyvesnt especially

has a high proportion of students who are first generation Americans often the children of immigrants

who have made tremendous sacrifices for their children's education so there's a lot of children of immigrants however there's just obviously you know a history of racism going on because it's a hard test to take and a lot of students who don't go to these schools that are you get it. Well you know what it makes me think of is the thing that happened where there was testing like that and they discovered you know like the systemic racism of that time

length of sofa and so many people can sit and lift length of sofa how long does the sofa have to be to fit this family I totally made that up and something like that but the fact that they were using the word sofa instead of couch so a bunch of kids who are culturally

never heard the word before were like I don't even know how to work on this problem and they

“realized that certain and I think this study was being done about black students that were”

taking these lessons like why do none of them do well and it's like yeah because that no one's used the word sofa in their household ever. That's a systemic racism issue. Okay so these kids who make it into these very difficult to get into schools often grow up with a huge amount of pressure to perform very well academically so there's a lot of pressure going on they're very smart but you know they can't be like me and just not go to half of your high school period time.

So the fall of 2013 a lot of pressure if you're an immigrant child whose parents gave everything up to bring you to have can you met to go to high school yeah yeah it's the fall of 2013 and Mohamin Islam is one of these such students he's a soft spoken 16 year old who's parents immigrated from Bangladesh. Mohamin is a junior in high school and he's known around school to be brilliant in a school where everyone is pretty much brilliant so that's high achievement. He runs the

schools investing club. I was in that. That's right I was a secretary in which kids or interested in the stock market make simulated trades with fake money just testing. Just for fun. No waters but then it starts to get around the school that on the side Mohamin at Mo as he's known is actually making real investments with real money. So it's not simulated it turns out the rumors that he's doing very well with these investments. I don't mean to press you but is that

“legal for like a high school student to be day trading? I would assume you have to be 18. Yeah right.”

Yeah but I don't know. Maybe I'll learn something new as you tell me. In November 2013 Mo appears in a listicle remember those on business insider of kid investors it's like a 20 under 20 so I guess you can do that. Yeah I guess I can't gambling. Right it does or like something that should be more official but I guess it's like regulated. I guess under 20 you can still be over 18 under 20 but it doesn't seem likely. No. He tells business insider that he had

gotten his start in penny stocks and then worked his way into higher stakes securities. He says quote "My main markets now are crude oil futures and gold futures and I trade small to midcap equities when the futures don't present a good trade. It just makes me think of trading places which you should in some I watch every Christmas. It's a bad newsy. All I know about stocks and that's

“what he knows about. So it's just stuff like that that I know nothing about. It's unclear how Mo”

first connects with the reporter of that business insider story but at that point he hasn't told anyone that he's made a serious amount of money with his trades but somehow over the course of the next year rumors begin to swirl around stivocent that Mo has made a staggering amount of money and people seem to believe somehow the number that gets thrown around that gets tied to him

is $72 million. What? That he has made. In some casual day trades. Yeah which isn't an

outrageous and basically unheard of profit for anyone who's been trading for just a couple of years let alone a high school student. So it's wild. It's big. A whole year goes by and then in December of 2014 New York Magazine includes an article about Mo and its annual reasons to love New York issue. Money. Money kids. Money kids. Money kids opening for bad bridge it. And that's beyond this weekend. It sounds like what happened as a parent of another student at

stivocent heard about Mo then past the story along to his colleagues at the magazine just have rumors start and continue. Yeah. And then a reporter named Jessica Pressler is assigned

to cover the story. So Jessica's story unquestionably categorizes the 72 million figure as a rumor.

She's like a journalist. She's not going to be like it's true. Yeah. She writes quote rumors on Wall Street can be powerful. A whisper can turn into a current that moves markets driving a stock price up or sending it tumbling. There may only be one other place where gossip holds such sway and that is high school. So clear that it's like, I heard you made 72 million. 72 million. 70. It sounds like a joke amount. Yeah. Because it's absurd. Yeah. She writes that Mo is shy about

confirming that exact number, but says that this is net worth is in the quote high eight figures.

with Mo and two of his friends who act as his spokesman. I think there are a lot more

“gregarious and outgoing and most pretty shy. Most miles at the reporter and one of his friends”

are going in Patrick says quote, he's quiet today and like they're almost just like talking for him.

The other friend a team named Demir adds quote, this is our third meeting of the day. We saw a real

estate agent, a lawyer and you and quote, and Jessica writes that they have a meeting with a hedge fund guy next. So they're like acting like losers and shakers. But it's like, you're young. It's you have your whole life to do boring shit like that. Like that idea where it's just like money. Make money, but also just kind of like, hey, listen, we've got to go meet with a real estate agent. It's like well enjoy your meeting. But it's almost like that's like 30 something's real dude. And

it's like annoying. Like it makes more sense for a teenager to do it to like get into where it's like we're going to spend money and that. Yeah, it's a little less disgusting, but still. The three say that they plan to launch a hedge fund up their own when Mo turns 18 once he's old enough to get a broker dealer license. So maybe he can deal, but he doesn't can't get a license. This whole interview takes place at a downtown cafe where the boys eat caviar and drink cold pressed apple juice.

No, babies. What a combo. Yeah. That can't be. That's really good. That's disgusting. Mo hints that he's he's shopping for a BMW and apartments and even though his parents won't let him move out until he's 18. And at the end of the interview, Demir says quote, my father has a quote. It's really dope. Says the team. You can rob a bank with a gun, but you can rob the whole world

“with a bank. Kind of fucking love. Oh, shit. Yeah. I think we've really learned that here in”

2026, but that is sure. Have absolutely not an exaggeration. No. Before that article is published in New York Magazine's fact checkers get in contact Mo asking for proof that his claims of an income in the high eight figures is true. The fact checker winds up going down to stivocent so that Mo can provide a bank statement. And Mo gives the magazine what appears to be a chase bank statement confirming an eight figure balance. So they did do fair, do diligent, do diligent, do diligent.

Can't say that. Not on saying Patrick's day. Hmm. Yes. Okay. So many drugs. The day the article is published it completely blows up. Everyone who sits at a desk in 2014 who spends some of their workday scrolling on Twitter reads this article. Let's say it goes viral. Yeah. It gets picked up

by other outlets, the New York Post of course runs the story, and puts that 72 million dollar

“number in the headline kind of, you know, they're not the biggest fact checkers of all times.”

So they're just like, because you said it was like the 2018s, right? 14. Yeah. So it's people are getting into clickbait. Exactly. People love a clickbait headline click. Sure. It doesn't matter if it's true. And it's picked up by many other sites and like kind of then treated as fact in the way. Yes. I have a little experience with that as do you sure do. But then pretty quickly, like a bunch of people stop and really think about the details. Every turn of 72 million dollars in just

a couple of years of investing is basically, basically impossible, like not even just unheard of. It's not possible. Business reporters immediately start to have doubts as Ken Kerson from the New York observer will later write quote, even if this working class kid had somehow started with $100,000, as a high school freshman on day one at Sty, he had needed to average a compounded annualized return

of something like 796 percent over the three years since that he says, "Come on, man," and quote.

So Mo and Amir are invited to appear on CNBC to talk about this, their investment strategy, because they're fucking whisked kids. Hey, man. Yeah. But while they're on their way to the studio, you know, as the story is blowing up, the business insider reporter who's had featured Mo on the list of the kid investor story calls and starts asking them some follow-up questions, the late. At this point, Demir confirms to the reporter that that 72 million dollar number is a rumor,

but he says quote, "pretty sure Mo is a great trader and a genius," and quote. Like, what's it called, dialing it back? Oh, yeah, I haven't had a no walk it back. Yeah, like, the CNBC studios are across the Hudson River in New Jersey, so by the time the boys get there, they're pretty rattled, because clearly people are on to them. Mo at first doesn't want to get out of the car, even, which is like, I've been there. Eventually some producers coax the boy into the building,

and they're brought to the office of CNBC's editor and chief. Like, so now the adults are asking

of the car. Yeah, it works, it's just like, look, we got Capri Sands and Atari here,

whatever. We've caviar and apple, fresh fresh apple juice. What kind of video games do you like, boys? All the fresh press, cold, fresh apple juice you could drink. And this man who's a CNBC's editor and chief used to be an editor at the Wall Street Journal, so he knows what questions to ask. He starts asking motto, explain his strategy, and say exactly how much money is involved. You know, like, don't throw out rumored numbers. Mo tries his best to answer, and then the guy says,

it isn't 70,000,000 is it? And Mo confirms that it is not, and claims he's made a profit closer to three million, which is a lot less than 70,000,000. Still impressive for a team. Some would say

“it 69 million less. That's what I would say. But who are we to say? It is such a hilarious lie.”

And also, I feel like I remember reading that story when it was the listicle story. Yeah. We're just like, what are these kids doing? Oh, the kids know what's going on. Right. Maybe I could do it. No, you can't. And then the boys declined to go through it with the on-air interview, which is smart, but CNBC reports what they have learned. So the fucking jig is up. That very evening, Demira and Mo both 17 years old, mind you, hire a crisis PR firm and then

head straight from CNBC to their offices to the crisis PR's office because they're like, fuck.

But like, they never, it's like they were just kind of nudging this thing along that the adults were

all offering them. They were 17 years old. And they're like, let's just tell them we did this. Let's tell them we did that. Like, it's kind of funny. And let's pretend like we have, you know, this bravado that we don't have. Yeah. Like, we're exceptionally successful. Right. But like the second you go $72 million on penny stock. Right. Or whatever. I mean, that's the thing that sticks out

“to me of like, number of playing penny machines. Like to see now. I think penny machines are like,”

how you get to hang out and that loops get free drinks on it. Yeah, that's right. But you probably wouldn't get the jackpock. Exactly. Of 72 million off penny emails. You wouldn't. So once they get this PR firm, they sit down with a reporter from the New York Observer and the whole truth comes out.

They tell them we were lying. That they three million dollar profit that Mo claimed later to have

is also a lie. And that Mohammed has only been placing simulated trades. There's no money at all. But I feel like there were just giving the adults what they were asking for. Yeah. You know what I mean? We're extraordinary. We get good grades. We go to this route school. We can do anything. We just light it up, dumb or shit when we were in high school. They have light about something that adults cared about, I guess. Yeah. They like instead of being like, I'm going to be a

Georgia's house. Right. And then you're like, I'm going to be a Karen's house and then the big lies. We're drinking behind the grocery store. Those aren't my cigarettes. Those are Karen's cigarette. She has to be a hold them for her. You know how Georgia loves clothes. Mom, she does it every time. I have to hold them. Yeah. So he hasn't made any money at all. And Mo does say that if he had been investing money, he would have done really well. But it doesn't. Me too. I know. Me too.

Mo tells the reporter that his parents are furious with him about his lies. He says, quote,

“honestly, my dad wanted to disown me. My mom basically said she'd never talk to me.”

Their morals are that if I lie about it and don't own up to it, then they can no longer trust me. He's a fucking teenager. He adds it. He's been sleeping over at a friend's house because his parents are so upset with him. He doesn't want to say who, but it seems like Demir is the one and it seems like they're having a great time and just like being teenagers and kind of like rolling in this, I don't know, it's like this thing that keeps moving forward even though it shouldn't

have a long time ago. Yeah. They made themselves a story. Right. And the adults fell for it. And there is a victory in that if you're a 17 year old in high school. Totally like these fucking actual like business people believe you. Meanwhile on Twitter, Jessica Pressler, remember the journalist who wrote that's original story saying, not saying it was true, but saying these are the rumors. She defends her story saying that she saw the bank statement and that the

New York magazine is in a financial publication anyways. So like it's not like a Wall Street Journal where the questions would have been asked about the actual earnings. Yeah. But that's a misstep because Jessica had been hired to work on a new investigations team at Bloomberg, which is a financial publication and Bloomberg winds up rescending the job offer. I think she kind of gets some egg on her face from it. But Jessica does stay at New York Magazine and goes on to report some very juicy stories

in the future. And she does have a redemption arc. She will later say that she had a funny feeling about the story and asked her editor to check it out before running it, which is what they're

story to take out that $72 million number and adds a note at the top explaining the situation.

The note says, quote, "We were dupped." Yeah. And then Ali wrote an note to me saying, "I was a cub reporter at Bloomberg when all of this was happening." Wow. Ali, my fucking incredible researcher. Yeah. There was a, she said there was a commotion. Jessica Pressler does find in the end. She writes the article that becomes the basis for the movie hustlers. Yes. Right. Great movie. Yeah. And later winds up reporting the Anna Delvie story. Oh. So she does okay. She is fine. Yeah.

“She like proves herself. Well, and I think doesn't that kind of point back to that's the kind”

of journalism like you were saying. It's not finance journalism. Yeah. It's grabby personality based. Yes. It's very internetty. Like can you believe this is real? Whatever. Yeah. And that is like

it's almost like human interest of, yeah, did you even know there was a person like this? Right. Right.

So the New York Observer reporter can curse on wraps up his article like this, quote, "No one asked for my opinion, but I'm gonna provide it anyway." Love that. Cool. Having sat with these kids for a good bit on a tough day. They got carried away. They're not children, but they're not quite adults either. And at least Mr. Islam was literally quaking as we spoke. So I feel like voice to a friend's were like, you know, saying it to him. It just became bigger than it was supposed

to. And it just so happened that they were in fucking Manhattan. And so it became huge. Also, don't you think that not his name is Mo? Mo's friend. There's one guy in there and you know the type. And he's Mr. Big personality. He's a personality. He's so fun. Energy, energy, ideas, ideas, good times. Yeah. He spread that rumor, I bet. Hell yes. What you don't my friend did? You know my friend, like, you know what we're gonna do? We're gonna eat

fucking caviar and apple juice all day. Do you want to come with this? Like, yeah, there's that where the guy that has the goods. Yeah. They're like, we're gonna do a bunch of stuff because of you. Your smartest friend. We're gonna spread a rumor about you. I'm the loudest friend. I'm the loudest.

You're the smartest. Let's do this. Yeah. Now, there's a third guy because there's always a third guy.

Oh, it's so yeah, they should have known better. But New York and the New York Post probably should have as well. The story smelled fishy. The incident appeared and a quick dance with a calculator probably would have saved these young men in a couple of reporters, some embarrassment and quote. Oh, that's his quote. A quick dance with a calculator such a funny guy. Yeah, that's the part of his quote. And that is the story of a rumor that swept the halls of

Stuyves in high school and briefly fooled the world or at least some up the world. Story of Mohanid Islam. As you're kind of like wrapping it down, it's like, these are kids at an incredibly competitive high school. Yeah. We're excelling at anything.

“You have to do it and you're used to being top three in your class. Now you bought him 20, right?”

It makes sense that you'd be well, maybe this will make me special. Maybe this will make me stand out. When we spread this rumor, it goes a little too far. We got money, baby. We're getting invited to party. My parents are mad at me. Oh, shit. I have to talk to a reporter and it's making me shake. Yeah. But I'm bringing my friend. So he's going to do it. He's going to mouth off. There's your podcast right there. There you go. There it is. Well, thank you and for listening

everyone and thank you for, you know, St. Patrick. Do you think maybe we think St. Patrick for getting rid of all the snakes? Well, that's what he did, right? I think so. Okay, little bits will like that. He hates snakes. Yeah, I need to go over there. Okay. I'm going to green. Celebrate. I couldn't bear. I found this. The green I had on was such a nongreen color and I was like, oh, I don't really have anything. And then all this stuff and I look over. I was like, you

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