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>> Your husband is not who you think he is. Your body is not what you saw it was. Your identity is formed by a secret history. I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring.

The 14th season of Family Secrets. >> He kind of showed me out of the way and said move. And he went out of the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off. And that was the last time I saw him. >> Listen to season 14 a family secrets on the I-Hard Radio app.

Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. >> Your 20s can be so exciting but they can also be really overwhelming.

“Confusing and honestly just kind of lonely.”

May is mental health awareness month and the psychology of your 20s is breaking down the science behind the biggest roadblocks we face. >> It was six years into my career. The 80 hour weeks and just the first one in the last one out and I ended up burning out. There was a large chunk of my 20s that I like was just so wanting to like the out of that

phase out of my skin and I just like really regret not living in the present more. >> You don't need to have everything figured out right now. You just need to understand yourself a little bit better. Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the I-Hard Radio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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>> Thank you so much. >> Oh my God. >> Thank you and thank you for buying me all of these things. >> I did all of this.

>> It's incredible Georgia got here at six a.m.

and she had three roles of Scotch tape and a dream. >> These are from my garden of course for my greenhouse. >> Incredible. >> Yeah. >> Pienes are renonculous.

“>> Pienes and their Martha Stewart flavor.”

>> Oh, that's flavor. >> I actually love these flowers so much. >> Did you guys know that? >> That you brought them? >> Craig and I may or may not have discussed Pienes.

>> Love it. >> Very classy. >> Very classy. >> Actually we should thank our set decorator. >> Yeah.

>> Cory. >> Cory Nixon. He's a PC. He's not a set decorator. >> No, that he does this.

>> But he's been forced to become one. >> Yeah. I need dresses so well. We're like you look like you know how to put things together. >> Yeah.

>> It's your birthday. I totally got your present and it's so cool and you're going to love it. >> Yeah. >> And it didn't get sent in time. >> Yeah.

>> Absolutely. >> Should I just show you a photo? No. I'll give it to you next week. >> Listen.

>> It's now done. >> It's just cute. >> 56 times. >> And I couldn't care if it was a contest and I won money at the end. And I mean I don't mean that in the like this when I walked in here it truly brought me

joy. Also our producer Molly Smith is at the helm of course knowing how much I care about rose gold what it does for me emotionally but this is as good as it gets for me. >> Yeah.

“>> Because I think after a while you're like I don't know.”

>> Yeah. Yeah. Especially what should like pass the milestone birthdays and get into the like wow birthdays. >> I wonder if it's like not to stole and valor from the kids who had like high school

ripped away from them but having my 50th birthday during COVID and you had your 40th during COVID. >> Yeah. >> There was a thing where I was like well I either am going to be really upset about this

or just never care again and I picked B right which I recommend in life.

>> I feel like as I had my 40th birthday during COVID and cried on the day a lot. Did you? >> Yeah. It was like early in COVID for both of us. That I am like obligated to celebrate every birthday since that I have in freedom down more

than I would you know what I mean that's normally that's a way more positive kind of end results like I didn't get the blowout 40th that I probably would not have fucking thrown anyways. >> So you know he's cried about things you didn't get right now so like so 40 six has to be a blowout.

>> Yes. >> For a hell yes why not also 40 is a different birthday too because that is a little bit of a turning point and to not get to have anybody like just shower you with the love on that day. >> It reminds me of all the kids in school who had summer birthdays who just never got

>> All lumped together. >> Yeah Christmas birthdays. >> Where is it?

“>> And maybe birthday everyone stoked the years over everyone's like it's spring.”

It's a new season it's a big advantage to have a May birthday. >> Well happy birthday. >> Thank you. >> I'll give you a present next week. >> It's true though.

>> I want to though it's just like a cute little thing that I saw and I was like that's for Karen. >> Okay. >> No not like what am I going to get her it was like that's for Karen. >> You sat down with a big pencil.

>> What am I going to do? >> This is and then you start crying like it's your 40th birthday in COVID. >> Right. How am I going to top in last year of I found something social media maybe has got just showed up in my algorithm that I didn't know existed that is going to be my new personality completely.

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it it's like Tai Chi meets yo like thingyasa yoga meets like synchronized fencing but they have practice swords so like they're not sharper anything like that but okay that's I've been waiting for my next you know I've done the fucking for former I've done who the hoping and now you've been waiting for sword yoga sword yoga. Now you for now said sword I love I love I can't help it it's like a it's a serum it's a

system when do you ever get the opportunity to just where you're like no sorry this is my workout class I have to get even if it's a practice sword. >> Yeah it's I'll let you know I'm going to do a class I'm going to fucking do it I'm

“buying a sword it's like a vegan it's like all I'm going to talk about do you remember”

the story told you were used to take my old dog George to the dog park at 6 a.m. >> Yes and you met someone there I didn't meet him I was on this end of the park and the end of the park I looked down there's a guy dressed like an injured with a real sword and I was like so I'm further away from my car in a straight line than he is to me how are we going to do that run at you and then I just slowly walked back to my

car and he never stopped sorting swarming.

>> I wonder where he is now that ladies and gentlemen is Tom Cruise there you go that's all he needed well I actually had a video for you I think you're going to like this okay because I was blown away at the information that I got from us okay. >> Nancy drew a web public domain in January and nobody is talking about what that actually means the version of Nancy drew that most of us grew up with the 1959 version is not the

original version the publishers rewrote her making her more polite less careful and less impulsive in the 1930s version she slams doors talks back drives into thunderstorms and climbs into the back of moving man's to steal evidence from criminals she's 16

“years old and she's completely unhinged but in the best way and as of January”

2026 that original text is free public domain so I annotated it the link is in my buy-out $10 and it comes with the evidence law suspect tracker and playlist.

>> Wow people are so clever here's what I love she's like I need people to know

like when she that first half of the video had me already where I was like what you never knew that but now she's making like a book club or for 10 bucks you can join this thing of like original Nancy drew yeah book club story line I'm like we're gonna all read it right yeah I feel like that's something our listeners would be like I would love to do that oh gee Nancy drew she wears pants can you believe she's so

rude is to ask a question and she has a sword and Nancy drew with the sword yeah I'm totally doing yeah for sure her handle is the incurable nerd society amazing so perfect so go on there that was from tiktok but it's probably also an instagram okay that's her new book club book that we never speak of again yeah you don't have to get me anything from my birthday but if you would please join

the 1930s badass Nancy drew book club yeah that'd be fun I love it oh I just wanted to recommend really quick yeah there's a TV show on apple what is tooth what is back three what is back what is back yeah I have written down right here my brain literally was like but it's it's a fast it's beautiful beautiful Matthew Reese it's like a Stephen King like haunted comedy comedy island that's

seen in the first episode in the historical society museum fucking brilliant now

do you know this is my favorite detail so the person that created that show is Katie

Halloween because she has that tweet with a picture of herself dressed as the

“bobbedook and she was like when you find out it's more of an adult drinks party”

than a costume party and she went to a Halloween party dressed fully like the bobbedook with like crazy pale white face in the hat yeah and she's just sitting there while all these normally dress people excuse me have a party on November first or October 30 if you're not wanting people to dress up I mean you know it's very me where it's like you know the holiday we're gonna take it apart

and then Katie Dipald as I was watching that show and literally laughing out loud I

was like who the fuck made this and then when I looked it up I was like amazing

yeah it's so good yeah definitely watch it it's really clever and fun it's so good okay I love how that one two three exactly right me as big we have a podcast that we're called exactly right media here's some highlights so many great podcasts on this network but brief recess one of the greats and this week Michael and Melissa are tackling truly cursed legal headlines they will be

discussing the recent hunter virus outbreaks but also there's a case of a

“secret service agent who is arrested for fondling himself in a hotel hallway so”

they're gonna talk about that a little bit hey also the bizarre twists in the J.P. Morgan sex hoax lawsuit I want to know more that's really interesting I mean what's going on everything is it's not the right timeline oops we skip to a different let's bump it back near the room fucking timeline come on and on buried bones Paul and Kate had to come a Washington oh man that place in

1947 after the murder of a mother and daughter sparks an investigation to a lesser known serial killer and that reminds me I started reading more to land again oh just because it was so good did I tell you that I had to stop when I was reading it I was by myself and I had to stop because it was freaking out I thought

that it was freaking me I never thought of to call my as a haunted scary place

until I read murder land also Paul holes and Kate Linclair Dawson were just in these very seats yesterday I could feel it because they came here to record some shows together and those videos will be up soon on Netflix so great okay then over on the runaway hit trust me Lola and Meghan welcome back from the Netflix doc of the same name trust me they're guest nomes by slime for part two of

their conversation about the cult being rated by the FBI learning Christine was the informant and escaping Samuel Bateman's control so if you've watched trust me the documentary on Netflix our podcast trust me is a cult podcast that happens not the same name so just watch that yeah cause some things in common and there's a new MFM animated out now on YouTube this time McTerry animates the

busy body deer from episode 64 where we discover that the eyes watching us in the woods belong not to a predator but to an extremely nosy deer and you can find every episode of MFM animated at youtube.com/exactlyrightmedia MFM animated I highly recommend that TV show yeah just like widows bay totally it's up there do you need something like light heart and joyous watch get in there

and there Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect we were God's chosen kingdom on earth he felt destined for greatness so when a swaggering Armenian businessman had a pulse Jacob into an extraordinary world he doesn't look back for our easy Lamborghini's private jets meeting the president of Turkey Amishal McFee and this is one of the most shocking criminal conspiracy's

I've ever come across when Jacob met Levant this went to a billion dollar

fraud but with two kings from entirely different worlds just how long can their

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tell me what you know is somebody coming after me Jacob told Levant you're ruining my life listen to kingdom of fraud on the Ayahart radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts May is mental health awareness month and your 20s they can feel like a lot on the psychology of your 20s podcast we unpack the anxiety the overthinking the heartbreak the identity crisis all of it

that comes with being in your 20s because if you've ever thought is anybody else feeling this way they definitely are I feel like my 20s was a process of checking off everything that I was not good at to get to what I was good at oftentimes we take everything a little bit too seriously and we get lost in things that we later on decide more even important to us to begin when there was

a large chunk of my 20s that I like was just so wanting to like be out of that phase out of my skin and I just like really regret not living in the

and give you real tools to navigate it your 20s aren't about having it all figured out they're about understanding yourself just a little bit better listen to the psychology of your 20s on the Ayahart radio app Apple podcast or whatever you get your podcasts your husband is not who you think he is your

“body is not what you saw it was your identity is formed by a secret history”

I'm Danny Shapiro and these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring the 14th season of family secrets just then we felt the plane turn in the air so much so that the bags are under people seeds

just kind of flew into the aisle each week we'd and I've head first into the

complex power of secrecy how it shapes our identities and relationships and how it ultimately can reveal to us our trueest selves my daughter she's pretending she doesn't know but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything and me pretending like everything was fine he kind of showed me out of the way and said move and he went help the

front door and he jumped in a car and drove off and that was the last time I saw him listen to season 14 a family secrets on the I-Heart Radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts all right I'm first and I have a really interesting story to tell you hopefully Martin Lays Apolleges

everybody yeah so for today's story we are headed back to a place that we

have visited many times in my favorite murder of lore widows bay more hospital oh shoot it's a sprawling psychiatric hospital about two hours east of London dating back to the Victorian era many of the worst criminal offenders in the UK who have been found to need psychiatric care have been sent there we've covered people who were sent here who sit on a spectrum of violence including

the teacup poisoner gram young organized criminal Ronnie Craig painter Richard Dodd William Chester minor who helped compile the Oxford English dictionary

“oh yeah remember as well as like almost completely nonviolent people who were just”

dealt more difficult hands like June and Jennifer Gibbons the silent twins that you covered so we have been to broad more many times here and today we're back at the hospital it's 1989 and we're in the central hall usually during the day this space would be full of patients seeing visitors in the evening it's where the hospital occasionally host a disco for patients who can safely

socialize today however it's being used for a production of hamlet put on by the royal Shakespeare company wow with its creative director the actor mark violence in the title role hell yes you know mark railings hell yes the audience is mostly broad more patients they have a much more intimate knowledge of the place subject matter the violence and mental illness of hamlet then perhaps

any prior audience has ever had in honor of mental health awareness month today we're telling the story of how Shakespeare came to broad more and how those performances affected the patients staff the actors in the hospital wow mark violence I got to see him on Broadway it's like love bet there's something like that in it he did a 15 minute monologue and it just him holding

forth and he is one of the most compelling incredible well stage actors obviously

movie actors but like on stage you can't take your eyes off him we've a photo of him in hamlet when he was younger if people want to see it oh yes right that's right like that is an actor actor but also the thing of like in England and this was the one time I got a part and I had to go to Glasgow to do it right many of the cast members that I was acting with had gone to the royal Shakespeare Academy

and it is it unnerved me from the first moment I stepped in to the rehearsal vermar is just like what am I doing I wanted you're a Sacramento State dropout come on Shakespeare company royal although Tom Hanks did go to sex and he did

“drama there there he go but I think he graduated I don't know I don't know but”

look at you now look but I just have so much respect for that yes it's a big huge important thing yes like Julia so the main source for this story is a book called Shakespeare comes to broadmore which was compiled by the doctor who spearheaded this program Dr. Marie Cox and the rest of the sources are in the show notes and also shout out to Molly Smith and Ali Elkin my wonderful

researcher for this idea I just I wouldn't have stumbled upon this and I I just love it yeah it's good fun so this all begins with this psychiatrist named Marie Cox he's born in Birmingham England in 1931 he goes to St. Catherine's College at Cambridge then trains as a doctor at London Hospital he works as a

first works as a forensic psychiatrist at a prison before taking a position at

broadmore in 1970 when he's about 39 years old so throughout his career at broadmore Marie Cox becomes known for three things his insistence in seeing the humanity of each of his patients which sadly is a kind of rare thing seems like these those days and these days maybe his Christian faith and his affinity for the theater for theater especially for Shakespeare's place

“that we use that at the prison I was like for the theater theater you may remember”

from English class if you weren't sleeping through it or from Shakespeare and love that in Elizabethan London poor people who led pretty miserable lives were able to get standing room tickets on the floor at the globe theater to see live performances of Shakespeare's play which was a huge deal it makes Dr. Cox consider that theater may have had some therapeutic effect even then Dr. Cox

presents these ideas at a conference of Shakespeare scholars and that's when he

first meets Mark Reyland's so they get coffee together in May of 1989 right

around when the royal Shakespeare company is about to perform Hamlet. Dr. Cox tells Reyland that he discusses Shakespeare with patients sometimes in their sessions especially the ones who remember reading the plays in school and he says he has frank discussions with those patients about the violence in the plays and the portrayals of madness quote unquote and whether they can

relate and so he uses them as a tool to get them to open up during that coffee meeting. Reyland's has the idea of bringing a production of Hamlet to the hospital and it totally makes you think of when the cramps went to a psychiatric institution as well and played like their best show yeah there's a video of that online it feels like so truly like we're being artists here when you do

stuff like that where you're like we're not we're not sitting here talking about like how are we gonna make it whatever it's like Mark Reyland's is like how do I take this talent and do something that for the good totally and it's like the importance of art in mental health and that people actually recognize that

“is so important yeah you know nowadays it doesn't even happen but back then”

it's really it's really impressive yeah so after some logistical planning and some back and forth it is agreed that for one night only the royal Shakespeare company will bring its production of Hamlet to broadmore hospital the performance takes place in August of 1989 it was just nine years old let me out 19 okay and so here we are nine and 19 live in our life I thought it would be interesting to

those who weren't alive then and don't have the PTSD that we have and that everyone from that time has to understand what a turbulent shit show the world was at that moment and why having this moment of art and peace would have been so impactful to the patients because I mean I heard 1989 and I'm like oh that was hard and then I realized like not everyone knows who listens to this

saliva then right so here are some fucked up things and shout out to with a pedia for the help the massively destructive exon belt does spill had just happened Columbia's war and drugs where Columbia and drug cartels declared total and absolute war against the government was raging and in August of 1989 it

was a critical in chaotic turning point in the final months of the Cold War with

anti-communist revolutions happening in central and eastern Europe and the fall of the Berlin Wall just a couple months away yeah so it's very turbulent I have more yeah horrible things the pro-democracy student demonstrations in Beijing's Tiananmen Square had just been violently and publicly suppressed by the Chinese government a par thigh in South Africa was raging with a seven-year-old

Nelson Mandela sentenced to life in prison for conspiring to overthrow the state there's more the troubles in North Ireland we're violently raging with the provisional IRA conducting paramilitary campaigns on British military targets and civilians in the British mainland what well I just want you know we're talking about the IRA targeting the British they should have been there no a

hundred percent that I mean if they had just gone there nobody had it it was not a war it was not a one-way streets the loyalism happened and then let's not get started on Serbia and Kosovo or the Middle East and the Gulf War that's about to pop off but don't worry just to end this on a like right there's also a whole

“neo-zone layer right okay we're freaking out about that remember that yep but just to”

cap that with something positive Taylor Swift is more in that year so it's gonna be okay oh I don't realize what it's true Swift a year everything's gonna be okay okay well her album's called 1980 nine so like I'm not oh I'm not brilliant oh I just know I'm just a reference yeah so we're here in broadmore central hall under the disco ball that's used for the hospital discos take me there and it's you're gonna love

this it's an in the round performance which we intimately know about because we did

hamlet yeah so tell everyone who doesn't know what in the round means I believe

it was the celebrity theater in either Phoenix or Tucson I think was Phoenix Phoenix and we didn't know until we arrived that night that this would be not just a stage in the round which means everyone can see it all times there's no you can like a gladiator you're a little fucking gladiator theater like no but also that the stage rotated so it wasn't a still round stage where you could kind of be like when I'm gonna walk over here

you just moved there and it was really slow kind of like the old holiday in in Hollywood that got the rotating restaurant yeah we're just kind of like it's not crazy but it's also not still right and we were out of our mind it was the bushland it was so hilarious I don't remember anything

“about that time and I fucking will never forget being in the round I will never forget the two”

girls that I used as my 12 o'clock because I was like okay now we're back here again yeah I definitely got seasick okay yeah so all patients and staff sit around the actors who perform in the central circle and so this new venue is a bit of an adjustment at first the actors had been performing for 2,000 people in Shakespeare's hometown of Stratford upon Avon so they're kind of figuring out how allowed to be like but it quickly becomes a very intimate

and for that reason powerful performance yeah the actors say they can feel a palpable difference

in this performance certain speeches don't seem to have quite their usual reception but others that normally wouldn't get me attention or you know any kind of response response are imbued with a newfound potency so after the performance the actors have a talkback session with the patience and the staff and it's clear that this has been a positive experience for everyone Mark Ryland says he's sad to go back to his normal performances after that

the performance at Rodmore had been such a welcome escape and in some ways the audience there could relate to the content so much more powerfully than typical theater gowers yeah right so if you

“remember the play I'm sure you do but let me just say Hamlet's Mental Health and Ophelia's Mental”

Health are central elements in the end Hamlet forces his uncle to confront the fact that he committed a murder by making him watch a play about it so this is very powerful in a room that contains people who have committed similar crimes and it seems like this play has touched people's consciences in a way nothing really has before so the world shakes for company goes back to their scheduled performances in Stratford Ryland says quote it was awful going back

to Stratford after that going back to the audiences they felt much more in prison the audiences

finally enough in Stratford I always imagine that you are talking to people on the level on

which they want to communicate and that's fine but it was difficult after Rodmore where we thought we were having a wonderful conversation and quote on the patient side the performance has a deep on the patient side they thought the performances were lacking they actually hated it and decided to put their own performances so critical about the acting or it's just like I just

“didn't believe it I could do it better that's how this podcast came on on the patient side the”

performance has deep and lasting impacts Dr. Cox will later write quote the insurgents of the hamlet company and its non-judgmental energies open doors of possibility which have not closed and quote there are the therapeutic effects of seeing live theater of course but there's also impacts to the patient self esteem by participating in something that the rest of the outside world gets to participate in as well I'm treated like humans yeah the royal Shakespeare company

tours with this production mounting it in several different locations so when the London leg of the tour is reviewed in the guardian patients at Rodmore read the review and get to know exactly what the critic is talking about so they're participating and one patient now David called well writes a letter to the editor who's a patient at Rodmore saying quote I did not see hamlet staged at the barbican or the old Vic the RSC's stage was the wooden floor of the central

hall here in Rodmore the only scenery was the nicotine stained walls and the backdrop of age loyal drapes my grylence was able to capture every aspect of a person's slip into the world of psychopathic manipulative paranoia many of us here in Rodmore are able to understand hamlets disturbed state because we have experienced such traumas we are most grateful for the cast spectacular efforts in staging hamlet for us for free of charge and on one of their infrequent

days off and quote I didn't I mean I was kind of thinking about that but then the idea your story is not some you know maybe on your family you're the only one or maybe in your town you were the crazy person yeah your story is as old as time right this is what people have been dealing with since the

understand don't have to understand right they can watch it purely as entertainment rather than like

“you know it's like a little telegram from Shakespeare to those patients totally over hundreds of years”

I mean that must have felt wild incredible yeah it did I loved it okay so the experience is so positive

for everyone that the royal Shakespeare company returns in 1990 to perform Romeo and Juliet and in 1991 the royal national theater performs King Lear in King Lear Brian Cox from succession plays the title role and Sir Ian McCallan plays the Earl of Kent so like yeah I thought it's like these are two of the greatest actors of all you know modern actors of all time yes and their yes Frank Cox amazing right yeah also like I wish that people cared about acting more in America

yeah the way they do over there because it's like a it's a true trade it's like going to it's you're respected it's like you want to be Oracle it's not just like money making have you ever seen that thing where duty dentures on gram norton and they ask her to just perform a little bit of

“Shakespeare and she just does this thing and she goes like zip and then she's like speaking”

and talking but it's the most compelling you don't know what she's saying per se yeah and it's the most compelling thing it's like the people who know how to do that right are like wizards no that's such a so all of these plays that they are staging deal with violence and mental illness described as madness in Shakespeare's language and all the actors talk about how the broad more audience would react to lines that went over everyone else's heads Brian Cox and Ian McCallan

talk about how the experience reinvigorated their passion for the plays McCallan writes that the actors quote were reminded of the purpose of playing which can too often be obscured by the pressures

of first nights and of long runs who do we do these plays for anonymous audiences whom we never

meet directors who we meet all too often or drama critics who sometimes tell us they're bored with hamlet and quote a reporter goes along to the performance of King Lear and notes how it moved the audience after word a doctor tells her quote patients will go on talking about these performances for months eating years afterward they come up in dreams and therapeutic sessions and quote as these productions continue abroad more a drama program there also becomes more

robust under a new creative unit that uses the arts for therapy this is very positive effects for patients and it must mean I have to just note this it's around the same time and it sounds like part of this effort comes through Jimmy Saddle so like the arts program like we can't just freeze over that oh no it's tainted so that is one of the many hideous things about people like

Jimmy Saddle where because you are a wolf and sheep's clothing and you're beer basically exploiting

this opportunity that actually is very needed and wanted of people volunteering and helping in places like that where maybe everybody doesn't care as much right like you've tainted it for everyone for life yeah don't be a bucket monster so well publicized improvements to conditions at broadmore inevitably leads to backlash some people in broadmore have committed violent and horrible acts and there's an attitude among the public that the patients there are living the

high life on taxpayer money before King Lear a conservative member of parliament attacks the initiative saying quote why on earth should taxpayers fund the RSC to perform to a bunch of psychopathic killers and quote and it's like that's the attitude that leads people to be in prison for life and in and out and well and also it's just it's the easiest attitude to have totally they're all bad the end yeah and they don't deserve good things yeah and like

we've done this show enough to be like oh right there's so much nuance yeah there's no humanity in that way of thinking not whatsoever because also it's like maybe there are killers there what about all the people that got put there when they were teenagers because their mental illness

“makes it so that someone has to take care of them and even the violence you have to say like where”

did they come from what advantages and disadvantages do they have that other people didn't yeah yeah it's nuance yeah so it doesn't seem like there's a direct link between this backlash and an end to the performances but the professional performances by the national Shakespeare companies at broadmore are limited to these three performances in the late 80s and early 90s but the use of theater and the arts in therapy has lived on at broadmore we don't know about any of the

identities at the patients who saw the plays other than David who wrote that letter to the guardian so we don't know if any of the people we have covered on the show were present at any of the performances however Ron Kray and June and Jennifer Gibbons would have been there at that time so

that girl come on to it sing us the opening song I'm Ronnie Kray and I don't care what you say hey hey

“it's easy to rhyme when you don't have a dime don't have time many times this is the worst song”

we've ever written we're gonna work on it we're gonna work on it we're gonna work on it Shakespeare's plays are often compared to a mirror reflecting the audience so that they can see their own lives in the stories Dr. Cox says this quality is what gives them their therapeutic value he says quote in therapy we try to help what has been buried to become conscious but that's only half the story what becomes conscious has to become integrated

so that can accept my aggression depression little self-esteem it's making something you can't

tolerate into an integrated part of yourself that's like that and quote and that's actually what

my therapist calls and what is called parts work which is a really interesting kind of therapy there's a great book on it and what is that that you're just there's many parts of you yeah and whatever one is leading is you know like you're acting the way that helps you at one time to get through life probably as a child and you're still figuring that out but there's other parts of you including that part that needs to be addressed and needs to be shown that they're safe now

and they're taking care of not just like suppressed yeah so suppressing the angry part of you isn't going to get rid of it but understanding why that anger is there and what happened when it came like and what happened in your life when you needed it is the way to work through it how do you burn the charge that was beautiful I mean that's so true it is so true it's I mean I was in therapy for years before I could really get that yeah it's because it's

“really hard and it is that kind of thing where it's like much like watching a play you have to”

look back and tell yourself different stories about the experiences that you've had which is can be hard in and of itself yeah you're contextualizing all the history in as that personality and that personality might not be correct about what they're assessing like you couldn't you know what I mean it's just what's just one version exactly yeah so it's called the book's called parts work and to put it better Dr. Cox quotes the tempest and says quote this

thing of darkness I acknowledge mine and quote and that is the story of how Shakespeare came to broadmore held yeah my till health awareness month I love that story that was not cool thank you Ali and Molly for suggesting it wasn't great yeah great job yeah also just those actors like because I bet you there's about 25 other actors that are like lesser known that would have been in I'm an absolutely look up who was in all those productions and who knows what it did to them

right exactly because like when you go out and you're acting you're just like okay I'm facing this way three quarters this way it reminds the same pretty much you're you're playing silences that you know will be there right here's the here's the big part where they clap for it holding up a skull or whatever the fuck it is and suddenly now it's like it's probably very similar to

but they would never do this doing it for grammar school yeah where it's like now they're laughing

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your husband is not who you think he is your body is not what you saw it was your identity is formed by a secret history I'm Danny Shapiro and these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring the 14th season of family secrets just then we felt the plane turned in the air

“so much so that the bags are under people's seats just kind of flew into the aisle each week”

we'd and I've headfirst into the complex power of secrecy how it shapes our identities and

relationships and how it ultimately can reveal to us our twist selves my daughter she's pretending

she doesn't know but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything and me pretending like everything was fine he kind of showed me out of the way and said move and he went help the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off and that was the last time I saw him listen to season 14 a family secrets on the iHot Radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts okay well we're going to go in a different direction please we're going to come back to America where

you were born and raised pay your taxes

“should I ask you if you didn't pay yours that means I didn't pay mine this is the story”

that I was going to do when we were on tour and I was so excited about it and then but it came down to it was the Chicago show but this is a Wisconsin story okay and so we there's Chicago stories a little more Chicago we and so we saved this one and finally Molly Smith again our producer our great producer Molly Smith was like what if we do that one on your birthday it was like that's such a good idea oh god what is it well it's basically it was just a 35th anniversary of this event

this month it happened on Friday May 3rd 1991 around the same yeah time as your event yeah it happened on the east side of Madison was constant at a business called central storage and warehouse which is a massive storage complex consisting of five buildings inside these buildings they store an unimaginable amount of food and dairy products the associated press reports that it's about

53 million pounds of food including quote winners it's where to God that's AP winners winners

cranberries and about 14 million pounds of surplus government butter and cheese I have a feeling I know what happens when heavy stuff is in the warehouse Maran added this note which is so maran 53 million pounds is very roughly the weight of 170 blue whales thank you that's a lot oh that's that's several pods blue whales yeah so on this day in 1991 about 20 or so CSW central storage and warehouse employees are clocked in it's the afternoon on a Friday so

the end of a long work week is just around the corner but things are about to take a very unexpected and unfortunate turn because somewhere in this massive complex a small spark will ignite and soon it'll build into a fire that will be among the most destructive in Madison's history this is the story of the 1991 Wisconsin butter fire butter fire I was totally thinking you were going sinkhole oh you were like it was really heavy I was like yeah I know what happens when things are

heavy I mean that's a great idea this one no I'm like this is it I also feel like the story of a sinkhole is just like it's saying it's a sinkhole it's sinking and it's a whole some cars fell in thanks I hope people didn't die yeah no okay fire love it hate it hate it we gotta fight it yeah the articles used as sources today are some from the associated press and the Wisconsin State journal archives there is a 2022 piece by journalist John Ongen that ran in the Wisconsin State Farmer

which is precious name for a new life of that one let's keep it alive and then a 1991 piece from a magazine called fire engineering without home gym is a subscriber entitled central storage warehouse

show notes I started off by saying have you ever tried to brown butter I bet it smelled really good

“at first is what I was thinking I bet it did brown butter rice crispy treats next time you”

make rice crispy treats everyone brown lightly brown the butter brown that butter light changing but you got to stand there it's like a thing there's all these fats and there's all these chemical

reaction and all this stuff to it and then if you wait one second too long you burn it so let's just

all get in our minds in that way of what we're dealing with here okay so what really happens is this the battery of in one of the forklifts sparks and starts a small fire in one warehouse the sprinkler system immediately kicks on a couple of employees hit the flames with fire extinguishers but they can't put it out luckily there is a fire station one block away so those guys arrive immediately they better so some firefighters attack this fire with hoses others make sure all the

buildings doors are shut so no oxygen gets in to feed the blades now the firefighters are feeling like they have things under control but there is a problem the walls of this building have flammable insulation so when the fire gets to the walls it just immediately shoots up to the ceiling and burns a large hole in the roof and it's a windy day in Madison this day so once that hole even starts fresh air rushes in it feeds the blades and the fire starts to grow exponentially

so basically it all starts like a campfire a small flame someone blows on it and now you're having

the best senior spring week beach care ever as my funny joke that I wrote in at the end of that

“line a key difference from your typical campfire though is that in this scenario the kindling is”

millions of pounds of oily fatty foods right that is that's bad right it's bad it's bad because it's a great fuel right but it also the smell which we will get to okay so Madison East fire department chief Ron Schmelzer will tell reporters quote what we got here is a massive grease fire oh it's sorry oh yeah what we got here is a massive grease fire right it's a Canadian well I had to come I had to come up from wherever I was at the beginning yeah um and Madison fire department spoke

person Tomol Shansky will add quote when you splash water on a grease fire it just splashes back it you know we learned a long time ago you're supposed to use baking soda I'm going to go back over that um to fix the damage home Jim and I did with that mist statement that we made one

“so no one's going to listen this time it's already that one okay okay great so these fire crews”

have to be strategic because they can't just go in doubt the flames get water that will make it worse but even the most seasoned firefighter on the scene and there will eventually be 70 firefighters fighting this fire none of them can claim to have ever fought a warehouse sized grease fire before yeah they have to get creative some crews tackle the central grease fire so the one that's right on top of the melted food products inside the warehouse others are hosting down the outside of

the building the roof and any adjacent buildings keep to keep the fire from spreading and those guys can use as much water as they want to and they do at a rate of 5,000 gallons a minute oh my god

but the fire keeps burning and expanding and since home Jim and I really messed it up the first

time let's let's use this teaching moment to give the correct information of how to extinguish a grease fire do not use water on those flames okay do not move the burning pot or pan that you have this grease fire in okay like a lot of people try to move it to the sink and the fire goes out of places like the grease will splash okay if it's safe to do so turn off the heat source that's a big one people forgot totally yeah and if the fire's small enough you can cover the flames

with a lid or baking sheet only something metal nothing glass right or like throw a towel over it no towels I bet you that's did my dad say throw a towel no but I feel like I would throw a towel on something the fire just grab something metal yeah you can definitely pour baking soda on top I think that's the thing they really recommend yeah but if the fire isn't going out or it's spreading you can go ahead and grab that fire extinguisher you don't know how to use also don't be a hero

if the flames spread or you feel unsafe in any way just get outside and call 911 I don't like five or six fire extinguisher is now do you yeah do you have the you know one thing they say is cut that little piece of plastic slow smart the plastic ring yeah so you can just get it going

about today does not go easy of course in fact no matter how the firefighters approach it it just keeps

“growing and it becomes so massive the smoke can be seen from miles and the heat is so intense from”

this fire that drivers that are driving by on the nearby inner state freeway can feel it from inside their cars oh no that's a good look at what it looked like whoa that's a big fucking fire yep so yeah central storage and also at their mascot is a polar bear cocaine bear poor cocaine bear so one of the few silver linings here is that all of the staffers at CSW have evacuated the building only one employee has to be treated from minor injuries so as far as good news we've got that

and that's about it yeah because the closer you get to CSW the more hellish the scene is there's a thick smoke and ash covering everything but since the source of this fire's process foods the smell it gives off is disgusting uh and the flames reportedly reach eventually 300 feet

“into the sky about the height of the statue of liberty no we have a different angle just to see kind”

of how big this thing is to start well that's tiny little fire so tiny little fire truck over there for scale nothing so now it's six p.m. and it's three hours into this ordeal fire fighters are working hard to contain as blaze but they are struggling and as things continue to deteriorate a new threat

evolves the flames have reached a second building in that complex and they're creeping toward a third

and these building store hazardous chemical that are used by CSW for everything from cleaning to fueling refrigeration systems including sulfuric acid potassium hydroxide and ammonia are they flammable oh yeah if they're bad so there's a new threat that if the fire reaches those storage areas there will be not just more fire a dangerous cloud of fiery toxic fumes so as the exterior battle to contain the blaze continues there are crews sent into those at risk buildings to shut off any

systems that might circulate those dangerous chemicals like their refrigeration systems and if possible they physically haul the chemical reserves out of those buildings to safety this whole fire and this whole disaster has like a whack-a-mull energy because the problems just keep coming up as one's go down reports vary on when this happens but sometime between eight and eleven o'clock at night

the building where the fire first started collapses and when it does a wave of melted

large butter and cheese comes pouring out of the building with some sources claiming that it's two to three feet high when it does but butter cheese and and lard oh god oh wow look at it that's all like melted processed food and butter and parchment that's so gross okay so Steven Davis who's the city of Madison's fire chief at the time will describe it as quote literally a river of butter just comes pouring out so you even do like I would just be like this is I can't do anything

there's firemen yeah I mean like they're swearing they're laughing for sure yeah um they're making references to other people's cooking yeah this is like that's beginning you made the other

“that's just my opinion yeah all editorial it is important to say all the firefighters make it through”

this building collapse unscathed although the fire is still raging the title wave of melted food does seem to dilute the most concentrated parts of that grease fire okay just great it takes

disgusting sludge to put out a grease fire but we're talking about 15 million pounds of liquified

dairy so now they have all new problems because you saw how much goo there was and how nasty it looked one report notes that quote one firefighter inadvertently sank up to his chest in butter and nearly lost his boots as comrades pulled him to safety and quote and another describes it as quote discussing to look at difficult to slog through Tom get out of the fucking puddle get out of there God damn it get me out of here you guys

the associated press will write about what they call the quote traces of black comedy as these firefighters are forced to trudged through the slop that has now made everything incredibly slippery some hoses slip right out of their hands when others are able to hold onto the hoses

they're slipping and sliding over the place that's a three stages episode it completely

“meanwhile the excess water runoff is mixing with this oily goo so streams of contaminated”

burnt buttery glob are just flowing downward from the complex some of this liquid eventually pools in low areas up to five feet in some places while other streams stretch onto nearby roads the hardest road hit is the one that runs along outside csw which is called cottage grove road it becomes so dangerously slick that a city engineer describes it as quote like ice in winter it gets so bad they actually have to close that road no good can't have anybody driving on it

because you're flipping around butter and still the butter fire burns into the night they're seem to be no end in sight for these poor slippery firefighters fire chiefs Steven Davis was there for the butter title wave he tells reporters that he had quote

“butter in place as a guy shouldn't have butterman at the night”

and quote TMI bro listen Steven Davis is going to tell you how it is like it is come with me to the butter fire to me to get your better treatment around 11 pm the roof on one of the other still burning buildings implodes of so evacuation orders are put into place for all the residents in the area around csw emergency workers are still worried about fire reaching those chemical reserves especially ammonia, because while the crews were able to

shut down the system that circulates ammonia through the refrigeration like conductor you see me nodding you're like I'm just reading this paper there's still a 7,750 pound capacity ammonia tank that's on site that they can't move so the fire can't get to that thing because it's

huge and it's a basically a bomb waiting to go off so the local police have to drive around

with bull horns telling people to leave their homes while cities workers scrambled to put together an emergency shelter you got to get out of here yeah where do we go and because it's Madison Wisconsin they pull it off they do it 3000 residents wow including a couple hundred from a nearby nursing home are directed to shelter at a local high school with the last evacuees leaving their homes around 2 am Saturday morning oh fuck that shit it's just going yeah when these people are

interviewed by reporters they have a delightful and deeply whisk-consonian attitude about the whole event and can really get a try to focus on this one one local describes the scene there as quote real calm good that's good thank you we just sat in the common areas in the high school and visited we weren't scared we weren't scared it was a new experience oh I'm kind of doing Maria Bamford doing her mom yeah because that's as close as I can go so they're having a nice time

yeah all the while the fucking butter fire is still burning so while they're cool and chill

they are facing the possibility of never seeing their homes again because if the ammonia tank goes

yeah we all go fortunately by 330 that morning fire crews have fought and finally one the battle against the butter fire and they do keep the blaze away from the amount of tanks the residents are told they can go home but instead they stay and they make jams and jellies for the high schoolers that's not true um but would not be fun if like why don't we go to the high school more so now it's dawn on sat you know it's breaking dawn sat or day may forth fire fighters

are still hard at work everything is being done in a life-size that of melted buttery shit so fire engines and other emergency vehicles are getting stuck in the sludge so that's getting hard

“to get the fuel trucks into refuel or move equipment around at all I think we have more pictures”

right of just the like the buttery mess yeah it's like a fucking raging river of butter up to his thighs I mean it is a fireman it looks like he's down in floodwater yeah can I say though I but they're skin was so soft for like weeks afterwards and they're kind of delicious I'm looking at your hand do you want to go to the movies I don't know why but do you want to go to the movies that's fucking crazy so wild yeah so again they they have to get creative with

solving this problem because everything is so crazy slippery so they get mechanics they send

to slosh through thick pools of grease while they do that so they have to make sure they don't fall down and add like gasoline to this issue yeah but the tides are turning and by six p.m. Saturday

evening the situation is downgraded to basically just a fire watch meaning that it's still unsafe

in general but it's nowhere near obviously the four alarm fire from the day before and that's a huge victory but now there are crises beyond the fire because for hours biologists and city engineers have been at the scene tasked with keeping all that greasy runoff from flowing into the nearby stark weather creek because if that goes there you're just killing everything in that right now these officials haven't had a lot of time to think through a game plan they don't have a butter fire

“game plan and that's why I am running for a controller of Madison was going to go oh god there's a”

fucking there's a big binder for everything and if I'll the buttermilk we go down there with some nice parkour house rolls it's not a good it's not a good accent parkour house rolls

but they rise to the occasion front and loaders which are basically those the kind of trucks

little kids like the best but the big scoopers on the front is the way I'll describe them to you and I got it they're brought in and they basically they bring in sand so like catalogs exactly exactly they're just absorbing up as much butter as they can okay emergency workers also start digging deep trenches hundreds of feet long in some cases to basically trap rank dairy runoff as it's heading downhill to make basically direct it in away from the creek yeah um these trenches are

“sometimes referred to in reporting as quote lagoons of melted like butter type stuff and apparently”

they smell god awful really because it's like rotting at that point yeah I'm hot and you're just mixing gross you know yeah it's like cooled ranch Dorito mix with margarine no that would be good yeah that what I'll put that on toast and these sprinkles on the top. okay so by the next day Sunday May 5th fire chief Ronch Smelcer gives an update to reporters telling them quote this fire will probably still be burning Wednesday yet it's a little yet at the end quote but things are moving in the

right direction that same day cottage grove road which has now been nicknamed cottage cheese road by the locals partially reopens to the public in a line of teenagers in their cars are waiting to spend donuts how long does everyone that's happening on a weekend not like I can't go to work today so sorry camp yet that mean yeah I love to meet you so the great Wisconsin Butterfire is officially extinguished on Saturday May 11th you're perfect oh my best day that is actually

my 21st birthday wow what was caring come care I'm doing that day. I'll tell you what I know exactly what I was doing I it was in Sacramento yeah and I want all my friends I wanted to go to a bar I didn't think anyone else would go to so there's a bar used to drive by on Folsom Avenue all the time

and I can't remember the name I'll have to look it up but it was basically a biker board and I

made everyone meet me there I like we all met there and from when we got there which is you know seven o'clock or whatever we were just like hanging out laughing and finally this guy comes over in a full on like hell's angels like he's an extra in a hell's angels movie and he goes why do you guys come here we're just like I didn't ever try to be like itchy and people end up like playing

“pool in my having fun they were very nice just I think they were retired okay so”

to announce angels were tired can they like all they allowed to they were tired from violence and mayhem and they helped children and Santa Claus okay this is eight days after the fire first breaks out it takes eight days for this thing to be over in the end the fire crews are able to save three of C.S.W's five warehouses no lives are lost thank God which is of course a huge accomplishment both of those things the tearful owner of the complex a man named Ken Williams

is genuinely devastated at this huge loss to his family business and they do find out fire investigators go in and it is the spark from this from that just around them yeah like no one's fault thank God Ken Williams tells reporters quote thank God for the chief and his people for their hard work

the bulge the butter the battle of the butter the pre bulge the butter

“now we're on to the cleanup okay which is a lingering and expensive crisis in in of itself”

for starters again we're at the smell a Facebook group made up of Madison residents commiserate about the pervasive stench in a post made last year still oh still talking about it one user remembers how they quote had to keep the car windows up in the AC off when I drove past the S.W. for two to three summers wow that's nasty and quote another will add quote I can still smell the rancid dairy because it's just such a different smell than you've ever probably

smelled yeah yeah and not one that you want to like continue to smell no yeah but guess who did continue to smell it the firemen because that butter sludge was all over their trucks their fire equipment their hoses and their uniforms that now have to be not only washed but sanitized

“or maybe just thrown away meanwhile big trucks sweep onto the C.S.W. property to pick up and”

hallway debris it's taken to the local dump which has to extend its hours of operation to accommodate all of this very large yes but a bigger problem and a more difficult problem are those legumes of fatty runoff just the worst phase of all yeah legumes of fatty runoff fire department spokesman Tomol Shanski describes this cleanup as quote not as volatile or explosive but it's the toughest

stuff to clean up next to radiation and quote gross sucks the same weekend the fire is finally

extinguished Tomol Shanski is interviewed in an NPR broadcast and he describes these challenges which results in a bunch of unsolicited advice from listeners the AP reports that quote suggestions to old Shanski's department include an Arizona college recommendation that the University of Wisconsin come up with a device that would freeze the goo so it could simply be cut away that's a recommendation where you go I'm going to make up a dream scenario yeah and now you enact my dream scenario right

if I knew things about Marvel characters I could reference one that could do that with his eyes but I can't I size eyes good old morey nice eyes yeah good old let let it be a girl for one thank you New York City man um that says is that his character Marvel New York City man he's just got a white tank top on and he's chewing gum big accent this man claimed to work with Greece and his job he says kitty litter would stop up the masses in

the end Madison consults with experts and uses what's described as a quote rendering process aimed at dissolving the fatty debris so that everything can be carefully pumped and disposed of through the city sewer system officials are extremely careful with this process because large can solidify in the sewer system and cause costly and destructive blockages like in your arteries have you heard of fatburgs no this happened in New York City

in their own sewer system because there was so much large and grease and stuff that they had these things called fatburgs that were like icebergs yeah but they were basically it was just like big clumps of stuff like that that that that that we're blocking the drains of the sewer and that all goes okay and stark weather creek and the other bodies of water that it feeds are protected great so as for the cost of this event many sources put the total at somewhere around

a hundred million dollars which in today's money so from 1991 mm hundred million dollars

hundred million dollars and today's money is seven hundred million two hundred and forty million that was wow yeah there's basically little over double okay so among those contributing to the cleanup costs are of course C.S.W's owner Ken Williams he gets he has to pay like half a million dollars the U.S. Department of Agriculture gives two hundred thousand dollars and the good folks over it Oscar Meyer Weeners out of the goodness of their hearts donate another fifty thousand

“dollars that's nice and nice people but also remember there's Weeners in that there a sludge”

takes decades basically until 2011 for C.S.W to finally finish rebuilding that complex

that year sorry I made it sound like to clean it up yeah that year Ken Williams tells the

see it but we persevered and quote I know Ken Williams passed away in 2021 but his younger family members are now involved in the business and they are all very deeply indebted to the firefighters who worked for days for eight days to basically save their family business and this is a very cute front of the building oh that's the fire hat on the on cocaine bearer on cocaine bearer they did a little the cleanup in the background a little celebration for the

Madison fire department which is very nice and that crew included Ron Schmelser who would sum up this bizarre grotesque and extremely hard fought job in plain terms telling a reporter quote

“in my 25 years as a firefighter I have never seen anything like it I think it's safe to say”

I won't see anything like it again in my career and that's the story of the 1991 Wisconsin

Butterfire wow never heard of it right great job be either thank you yeah break worth

this story right oh I did it this is how we celebrate what are you gonna do for your birthday plans I think I'm gonna go out of town to relaxing a place that's very relaxing that's a good idea last thing yes yeah baby I'm going to the strip oh god yeah the most relaxing nice on the planet everyone knows everyone knows well you know it's really great and this is again we'll keep on talking about our producer Molly Smith to suggest why don't you take Monday off

yeah cause it's your birthday like oh yeah I'm taking your birthday off to hey great it's gonna work out I mean well great job thank you kindly we did it again we have done it proud of us me too it's like it's like we do yoga with swords we bring back the real Nancy Drew we

brown butter we brown butter we don't burn butter we're basically a Shakespearean actresses actors

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