543 - Live at the Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall (Portland Early Show)

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or wherever you get your podcasts. There was no anything inside those eyes. They turned black. It scared the hell out of me. Evil wake up.

I'm the one that saw the murder. Take place by treating that end of Pippo. Anthony DiPippo showed no signs of remorse, appearing unfazed after being sentenced to the maximum. I said I'm not guilty. I'll take it to the grave.

Listen to the Devil's Quar in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. (Cheering and Applause) What's up, Portland? (Cheering and Applause)

Oh my God. Of course, of course you did. Of course you won the noise contest. You blew back my things. (Cheering and Applause) Blowing behind you purely from noise.

Yes. Yeah, it's so good to see you again Portland. It's been a while. How are you? (Cheering and Applause)

Yeah, we knew we had to add you guys on this little trip that we're taking of touring.

Always so supportive of us and we appreciate that song.

Since day one, yeah. You know that? (Cheering and Applause) Because they're the co-kids too. They're the ones who know.

Yeah. They're the ones who drink the drink special and get all fucked up and then like fight in that island ship. Like there's one writing their bikes naked down the street and brought us.

(Cheering and Applause) How did it rise up naked and get on that bike? (Cheering and Applause)

“Was anyone that's here today at the naked bike ride today?”

(Cheering and Applause) Are you still naked? Oh my God. (Cheering and Applause)

We're so amazing if four people were just sitting there

kind of weirdly naked. (Cheering and Applause) In a grand theater like this. Oh my God. I just took a...

(Cheering and Applause) What's it gonna be? (Cheering and Applause) There's like a pill wheel of fortune where you find out on stage where you took.

She was like best friends in the world. Kate, amatics, and Carrie Selenbetter are here. And they were backstage. We were being very loud. I'm sure everyone noticed.

And Kate whips out a thing of nicotine pouches. (Cheering and Applause) She was like put on on, you'll be up all night 'cause we have to do two shots tonight. It's like a lot.

They've already had like a red bowl. I'm so sorry to say this, but that's such a like four year old way of hearty. (Cheering and Applause) You've got it.

I'm high on nicotine pouches. It's like either a 12 year old way or a 40 year old way. I mean, it works either way I think, but it's so funnier. It's like, no, no, no.

We're not doing a lines of poop before the show. That's crazy. Doing... Nick, go red.

So if I'm obnoxious, it's her fault.

It's not true. It's my mom's fault, really. But...

“I mean, ultimately, it's always the mother's fault.”

Yeah, ultimately. Can't out. Yeah, sure. I told them about... Should I tell them about Janet and Boston?

Absolutely. I've got it. I've got it. So we went to Boston. I flew my mom in for a live shows.

My mom and stepdad, it was really exciting. And it's being filmed for something. I'm like really exciting. We can't talk about... (Cheering and Applause)

So I meet her in the lobby. We've all just blown in and her fucking front tooth is missing. (Cheering and Applause) It's like the nub, her cap fell off. And the way just as a...

Like outside non-family member person, Janet... Janet is a pulled together fancy lady with a blowout that goes on for days. Like this is not...

This is not a whoops I don't have a front tooth type of person.

We know those people, those people rule. That's fine. That's a whole... Almost better way to party. Yes.

It's totally fine. But I got my vanity from my mom and she's got a lot to give.

“So I was like, "I know you're not going to want to be on this very important special”

filming thing without your front foot and tooth." So you're not sightseeing tomorrow. Sorry mom. You got to find a dentist. She did do it now.

And then I said, "Can I talk about it on stage?" And make fun of you and she was like, "Yeah, you couldn't belish. I don't care." She was so cool about it. And I was like, "If we'd only found out in time,

we could have gotten some tooth black and then both turned around a bit. Like us too." See? We didn't have time for the comedy. No.

We've got to make time for the comedy. Speaking of making time, this is my favorite murder of the boys. Oh my God. Thank you. That's Karen Kilgara.

That's Georgia Hard Start.

[applause] Show on your outfit. You're beautiful. Listen, listen. Before I do this, I'm going to tell you one thing.

This is a tour to each city two nights. It's a lot of dresses. It's a lot of dresses. You didn't have that many to begin with. Had to do a lot of speed, shopping, and kind of like,

care about a thing. This dress does not have pockets. And I swear to God, if you make a noise at me. [laughter] No, you don't get to boom.

I taught you how important pockets fucking are. [applause] Yeah, pretend. [applause] Do you know that one time after, and I can't remember what city

this was in, a woman at a meet and greet gave me.

“And in you, I think there were two sets.”

But they were very vintage tie on pockets. So that if your dress didn't have pockets, you can, like, one of those old fashion period bands. Totally. Totally.

And if you don't have pockets under your dress, and have them waiting there for you, if need be. That's how bad it was for women. We were just, like, can we please have rights? No, but you can have tie on pockets.

[laughter] Thanks. Thank you. They cost $25. And the men's tie on pockets cost $7.99.

[laughter] We're not going to get it all done in one night, but we can't address a lot of it. We can. Would you like to do my shopping?

Save us. [applause] Thank you. [laughter] What are these?

Tail? Yes. Flaps? Yeah. They're called flaps.

Are they fat in fashion? I lost my mind over the stress when I saw it. It's definitely vintage. I was tailoring it back stage because it was ripping with a stapler.

[laughter] She was tailoring it. That's what I do. I heard her down the whole goat. Do you have a stapler?

And I was like, what in the-- It can't be paper. There's no way it's paper. It's not paper. What is she doing over there?

But early stapled my, like, crinnling up. It wasn't like hanging down. And then I forgot my jewelry in the town where my breast friend Harry, like, sells jewelry. And I forgot to bring the jewelry that she gave me.

The beautiful stuff. So she called her sweet husband Alan and was like, don't leave. Go to my phone and jewelry box. Face time me. I was like, Harry, you don't have to do this.

But she's like, yes, I do. It's like-- Because you know what this podcast is all about? The gems. [applause]

It's right. The gems, gemstones. I'll see you. Yeah. Here's the thing.

I walked around today, just trying to find a cup of coffee. Just trying to find a craft beer. [laughter] The fuck is wrong with this? [laughter]

No, where to be found? Can't find-- Can't find a hot dog. Can't find an antique to save your fucking life. [laughter]

It's literally coffee, coffee. Coffee. Be craft beer. Yeah. Coffee.

A different kind of craft beer. It's a different hop. It's a different type of bicycle that this one's named after.

[laughter] Can you sit down? Oh, yeah. Let's do it. [applause]

Oh. Thank you.

“I thought the short table was a one-off.”

I thought, yeah.

This is the exact same table you always have,

except oops, it's short. But I mean, it's a table. And this economy, we can't complain about a fucking low table. No, not in the list, but I do love that you said, but oops, it's short, like, oops, all very cat-to-crunch.

Sure, I just, like, um, but oops. Um, do you want to tell the people who don't know why we were applauded for sitting down? What's going on? Is it true?

Oh, though. [laughter] I can't imagine. [applause] Yeah.

Thank you. I hate it so much, but I appreciate you having a lot of my allergies. There's no one in this room that doesn't get what's happening. I just can't imagine. But, yeah.

Just in case there is. Just in case somebody tortured their partner or their parent, or we've met a couple of people or it's like, "Oh, that's my mom. She has no idea what's going on."

Or it's like, "Not the mom." Hasn't she suffered enough? She already hates you so much. [laughter] This is my favorite renderer.

It's a comedy true crime podcast. And that's because we're in Georgia and I first met each other. We realized that we were two people who had similar trauma and we dealt with it with the same coping mechanisms which was, uh, in justing true crime and you more.

So, humor. So, that's why we started this podcast. That's why it started the way it did. It's developed over ten years. Which I'm--

[cheers and applause] Let us just-- Thank you. But also, let us just tell you right now. That's like, triple too long for a podcast.

It's so long for a podcast. For a homework podcast, homework podcast.

I always think about what if we were talking in the cafe before we started

and we were planning it. And I said, "And every week, one of us will tell each other a story." Instead of both of us. Oh, sorry. Didn't listen to the whole thing.

Wait, do it again. One of us will tell a story. Oh, that's a great idea. Yeah, every other. Not both of us will tell, like, just could have been so simple.

But we didn't even, like, I literally thought in the beginning that I was going to be able to tell these fucking stories off the top of my bed. What? I don't remember what day it is today.

How would that be possible? Uh, anyhow, this isn't in the speech. Sorry, that was just like personal realization. So anyhow, we don't think murder is funny. We think we're funny.

And so we enjoy talking to each other about the thing that actually is very upsetting and difficult and bad

“because that's what life is like, horrible things happen”

and you process them the way that works for you. Ultimately, what I'm saying is, if you don't like it, you can get the fuck out. Unless, of course, you work here. And then we're deeply, deeply sorry, deeply sorry.

Our apologies to you. Yeah, they can't get out. No, no, no, no, what a podcast is. And now it's just like in ladies. No, it's just, so podcasts are women swearing each other.

Okay, I guess. I have that last, whatever show we just did, I don't know where the fuck we were, where we. I don't know. San Diego.

San Diego. San Diego. Those fog machine broke. It turned off way, and it turned all the way on way. And suddenly we were like, in a fucking cemetery.

It was kind of awesome.

It would have been amazing if when the fog machine broke,

someone ran out two lanterns. And we could have just done that. Oh, hi. Or something. It could be Steven.

Steven's lanternboy. Steven. Yeah. All right. No, he's not.

No. They know he's alive. He's right there on social media. For everybody. He is.

Yeah. I'm first. I think so. Okay. I'm Stephanie Young.

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It was a cold case for over six decades.

“It's haunted reporters, investigators, and Oregonians.”

That entire time. Until recently. Oh, huh. Dude, the perseverance and ingenuity of that civilian. We love civilians.

Yes. That's right. Yep. That's right. It seems like this is no longer a cold case.

You're going to get your wish. This is the story of the Martin family disappears. Oh, wow. Yeah, this one I mean late night scrolling for me for sure. The main source of the story is reporting from the Oregonian. So, thank you.

They know they're stuff. They do.

I'll never forget faces of meth.

I'll never forget it. As long as I live. No joke. God, I wish I could throw to a clip right now. It's me.

I'll just explain. Baby George. Yeah. Wait, did it. You know what it is.

Well, I know if this is a meth, but it is. But what does that have to do with the Oregonian? Tell me. Well, are you thinking of faces of death? No.

Oh. Where it's the pictures. The Oregonian did that. That was that. That was your work.

I didn't know that. It was great work. That's for fine work. Don't do meth. No.

Oh, that's for Dragonlongs.

That's another big theme of this show.

And no joke. Don't do meth, yeah. Do not. Do everything else. And nothing you want.

Nicotine pouches. Yeah. Oh, my God. Cover your body. But pouches though.

I'm talking about the one that goes in your gum. Not a patch. Oh. I'm talking about. I had a fucking pouch in my gum.

Like a baseball player. Hold on. Hold the song. That is not a nicotine pouch or patch. What is it?

Chaw. Chaw. Chaw. But it was in a little boat. Chaw.

What about cancer?

“Can you really quickly tell me what you're talking about?”

There's these little pouches that look like little pouches of cocaine.

I mean, let's be honest. Okay. And you take it and you put it under your lip, right? Sure. And you're just kind of holding it in your, like here in your gums for like 20 minutes,

fitting out the gross stuff. I'm serious. It's like chaw. It is like, but it's in a pouch. So it's like, orally.

It's like OCD people. Holy shit. Yeah. That's incredible. I'm not one.

I mean, yes. Absolutely. Hang on back. Stay. So funny.

Look at your pouch. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. This we're trying to start the show.

I can just help say this. Yeah. Good. Always. Some of my best memories of live shows took place in Portland, Oregon.

And now try to pressure you guys. You've already done a great job.

“But I'm just saying we've done so many fucking unbelievable live shows here.”

And the one that was at the schoolhouse. That's right. I mean, don't Jesus Christ. So if you guys don't want to laugh, you don't have to. But it's going to be a shitty show in that case.

And follow your fault. And if you don't want to get so drunk that you and your sister come on stage, that's your choice. We're just saying we have standards. And we're back.

And we're pouched. And ready to perform. It's December 7, 1958. And the Martin family piles into the family card. It's the family is Ken and Barbara.

Yes, Ken and Barbie. So cute. And there's three daughters, Barbara, who does go by Barbie. Virginia and Sue. Barbie is 14.

Virginia's 13 and Sue is 11. The Martin's also have a son in the Navy station in New York at the time away from the family. Let's take a picture of the family, shall we? I know. I'm older than those parents.

Yes, you are. Yes, you are. Yes, you are. Well, what's funny is, like, that's real time. Yeah.

Where's the future? Where's the future? Where it's like, hey, what's up? I'm 55. Yeah.

Oh, they're just like, what the fuck? Sorry. I've had a lot of work done. This is not natural. This is not natural.

Anyway. These teeth are gigantic. But the point is, they didn't have that kind of science. They didn't. Not so sad.

Yeah. Like, I'm older than him. I promise. He's 38. Yeah.

Probably. For sure. But also that that black dress. Yeah. Hook dots is what I'm looking for at every vintage store that I work in.

gorgeous. Okay. So the martens are really, really into Christmas.

So they can all put it on their houses and decorate, which is so nice.

“You can't just like order stuff online back then.”

You know, it's like, make it. The martens and their neighbors go all out decorating. And their street is nicknamed candy lane because of all of Ken's candy canes. And everyone going all out. It's like sweet.

Yeah. Ken dresses up as Santa Claus every year. And it's a beloved holiday tradition in the neighborhood. He, he says, how old now to store bought Santa costumes. He's like so into it that he convinces a friend or sorry, his sister to sew him.

This, like, perfect exquisite Santa Claus gym. Like, they take it seriously. I just like the idea that there were Santa costumes back then. And it was, like, the quality was a question where it's like, Sir, just you wait.

Just you wait until 20 to 25. Yeah. And they were so flammable. Yeah.

I'm going to, like, stand near a candle.

Okay. So this holiday spirit hasn't inspired the family to leave the house on December 7th. The Martins are driving east into the countryside from our home in northeast Portland. Beautiful this time of year.

“To collect evergreen bows to make reeds and garlands to decorate their house.”

So the Martins leave the home around here. Just around the neighborhood, like, they're just kind of cut other people's tree. No pine trees. Christmas vacation when they dry that to cut their tree down. Like, it's like that.

Oh, like, they're going out into wilderness to, like, get nice things to make it with. So they're not like, you know, stealing right over there. There's no craftsman that a young couple is just remodel that are sitting there. Right. It's, no.

So they leave their home around noon. They stop to eat at a place called Paradise Smack Bar in Hood River. It's not there anymore. Unfortunately.

It's about 60 miles from Portland.

And this is some time between two and four p.m. And they also stop to get gas at Cascade locks. You guys love it. Okay. So what?

I just live in any area. People are like, I know it. Woo! Here's a picture of their car. Whoa.

Not their car, but like, the car that they were kind of, you know what I mean?

“You have to put not actual, not actual photo.”

Yeah. I fact that up. That's on me. No, no. It's cool though.

It's like a, what type of car is that? You know what I mean? You have to put not actual, not actual photo. Yeah. I fact that up.

That's on me. So it's like a, what type of car is it? Do you know? It says right there, but I can't read it. I think it says Cordo as Bresso.

[laughter] Get, start spirit. This is fucking A.I. [laughter] It doesn't say anything.

So as many as you probably know, Cascade locks is named after a series of locks in the Columbia River, which were constructed to change the water level of the river and sections to help steam ships navigate through the area. [cheers and applause] Yes. Yeah.

Love a lock. Love a lock. Then soon I went to look at a lock in Michigan and it wasn't running that day. So that was fun. I'm on a dry.

It was driven. Here's a picture of a lock. The lock. This is the lock. This is the Cascade locks.

The real one. For real. Yeah. Back then. It was the real one, not A.I.

Great. So finally. [laughter] So the two sightings that the gas station's knack bar are the last time anyone reports seeing the family. On Monday, December 9k fails to show up at work and the girls are marked absent at school.

And this is when people realize that something is wrong. Ken is officially declared missing by his boss that evening. And police searched the Martin family home. There's nothing abnormal, nothing out of place. There's laundry in the washing machine dishes.

They didn't take off. It's normal life. Yeah. And that's to get her start looking at everything that was going on in the area around Hood River and Cascade locks around the time the Martin family was there.

And on the day the Martin's disappeared, a stolen white Chevrolet is found in Cascade locks near the river. So it's a stolen car. And the bushes near that stolen car. A hand gun is also found. The handle of the gun has a lot of dry blood on it.

And it looks like it was used to bludgeon someone. It sounds like the blood wasn't saved and later tested, but didn't happen. And in fact the man who found the gun in the bushes eventually just gets to keep it. [ Laughter ] You're like, you finders keepers.

You should wash this thing. So it's dumb question, but so it wasn't a policeman that found that gun. It doesn't just a person that happened upon it.

Yeah. Well, that's yours then.

“She got you didn't get the Chevrolet, too.”

It's wrong now. I mean for real. She says.

So this next detail is so fucking weird.

And it would drive you crazy if this was still technically a cold case. But the serial number on the hand gun matches with a gun that had been stolen from a department store in Portland years earlier. And the Martin's eldest son, who's away in the Navy, had actually been an employee of that store and had been accused of stealing that fucking gun. And you're telling us that's a coincidence. It's a fucking coincidence.

It's a fucking coincidence. It's unclear if he was actually a recharge for theft. But according to the records from the store, he admitted to the theft, including which included other items and was fired. But he was across the country at the time. It hasn't, like, nothing.

Unless I don't know. I don't know. But it's the same freaking handgun. It's a serial number and everything. And it's extremely weird.

And people fixate on it.

“Of course, when they're talking about this case.”

And it looks like we're not sure what happened to the gun after he stole it.

But it looks like he sold it to someone else. So it's just a fucking coincidence. That's so wild. And it reminds me of the cufflinks thing in the Golden State killer case. Where the like people and especially citizens lose.

We're like obsessed with these cufflinks and tracing them in the whole thing where it's like. And it just feels so great to think you're about to figure it out. Yeah. And you're not. And that's what this podcast is about.

And that's what it's all about. So on December 8th, the day after the martens were last seen, two ex-convicts are arrested in cascade locks in connection with that stolen vehicle. And witnesses who saw the martens at the paradise snack barn, who'd river say that those two men were there at the same time as the family. The witness to say that the men also left the snack bar at the same time as the martens family. But no evidence is ever found linking these two men to the martens family.

At the end of December, a woman's glove is found in the area where that stolen white Chevy had been.

And friends say the glove looks like something barber would wear.

“But like what if it's like she would never wear like it's a white glove.”

I don't think it's that like it's the 50s and it's a white glove. It's like Barbara every other woman. Every woman and Mickey Mouse every we got it. It's not uncommon to wear a white glove exactly. And they had searched that area before and hadn't found it.

So it doesn't seem like you know, a clue now that we know it's not a clue. Over the next several months, searches are conducted in various locations, mostly along the Columbia River. In February of 1959, the Dallas, Dallas. They got a couple, they got a couple, gotcha titles in this town. I would have said Dallas if Ali hadn't written rhymes with pals.

Which just trips me up so much more when I'm like, it's like saying in red. Like you're about to fuck this up and they're going to blew it up. Yes. Yeah. It's a little warning.

Yeah. A red light of get ready. You're going to blow it. Yeah. Instead of just reading what it says.

Right. Exactly. So anyways, there a man finds right there right in red. And then finds tire tracks leading off a cliff into the water. And the cliff is maybe about 30 feet high.

And we have a photo of the tracks that they found. Wow. Kind of. That's just, yeah. The area.

That's the area. It's Columbia River pool near the Dallas. Right. Dallas like pals. Yeah.

Never forget it. And tell this evening to later. Until I have to say it again. Investigators don't find any return tracks. And so there's certain that the car went into the water.

And it either drove in or was pushed in. And they also find the track tires match the Martin family car tires. And the paint sample on a rock along the tracks matches the paint that would have been on the car. The spot's about 20 miles farther than Hood River. And 40 miles further east than Cascade locks.

But you know, they some reason still put them together. And then months later, a barge will drop an anchor in the spot and hook onto something heavy. And when they try to pull up the object, a deck can pokes down in the water. And he's sure what he strikes his metal. But they can't lift it with the anchor.

But he thinks back down, but the people on the boat are sure that it was a car. So May of 1959, we get our last solid development in this case for 60 years. And it's a tragic one. The bodies of Susan and Virginia Martin are found floating down the river.

Virginia was 11. And they were found in the water. Fishermen is wife. See the bodies.

“And they're identified through dental records.”

So over the next 60 years, there's basically a debate between two theories. Either the Martin family tragically accidentally drove into the river as conditions got darker. In the evening, in the area, or they were somehow pushed into the river off the cliff. And the, you know, stolen car and those, you know, convicts and the gun have something to do with it. Those with the two camps.

And this question, Hong's investigators journalists and civilians for decades. Some Martin gets married. The son has three kids and passes away in 2004.

Never knowing what happened to his family.

Okay. Matt cut to 2018. There's a diver from here named Archer Mayo. Is he here tonight? This guy is fascinating.

I'm like, talk about, I don't want to work a desk job. So I'm just going to fucking do what I love. Like, this is the guy. He's like an artist and a sculptor. But he's also really into diving into, or like, rivers to find lost items.

That's his hobby. I would do that. Hell yeah. Fun. I know.

So he gets super interested in the case. And he starts working on tracking down the Martin family car. And he becomes obsessed with this case.

“And his obsession eventually leads him to the Oregon Historical Society.”

And this is where I would stop. I'm like, I guess I can't find it. I see a lot of books in that building. I'm going to go this way. Right.

To the bicycle brewery. Exactly. That's right. Did they have a blonde? They have a great blonde.

He becomes obsessed with it goes to Oregon Historical Society. He starts pouring over images and plans from the construction of the cascade locks. Back in the late 1800s. He goes all the way back to the construction. He discovers that there's an area in the locks called the pit.

And it's a 20-foot deep depression. I have one of those stuff. [LAUGHTER] Thanks. Nice one.

With the off the top of this bucket head. Yeah, off the dog. You know what it is? Nick a team. It's a team.

Yeah.

We're going to be so pouched up for the second show.

That's going to be fucking insane. Fire on all cylinders tonight, baby. OK, he's a deep depression that runs for 90 feet at the bottom of the Columbia River. He feels in his gut. Arture feels in his gut.

Despite all the theories around foul play, that the Martin family died in a tragic accident from accidently driving into the river near this spot. And that this is where the car will be found. And no one obsessed with these cases. I feel like half of missing person cases.

Something similar happened. Yeah. And I love that there's just independent divers, because the cities can't afford that. Looking for them now. Can't afford it.

They're busy with their money right now. They're busy with their employees. [LAUGHTER] Yes. So he then goes on to construct a diorama of the locks

and measures the effect of water displacement using race. Like he's in it. He loves science. Talk about homework. Hey.

Yeah. Relax. [LAUGHTER] Somehow he comes up with a theory that the car wound up in a very specific spot in the pit.

And he says he's never bought the theory that the car was in the other area where the tire trucks were.

And furthermore, the spot he's found is just a little bit down river from a parking lot. And in the 1950s, there was no guardrails or barricades blocking off the drop into the river. Because they were like, go ahead. You're on the risk. It's not our problem.

Yeah. We don't care. So this guy actually went and did research like the deepest of research. Yeah. To be like, here's my theory.

And here's how I think. And then went like actually looked up where blue principle parking lots or whatever. Yeah. Damn. Crazy, right?

Yeah. But wait. There's more. Oh. Um.

That's it. Okay. So armed with this new information about the pit, starting in March of 2024. So it's past March. He starts searching the area. No, that's not right.

It's 2025, isn't it? [ Laughter ] Listen. Look. Sometimes, sometimes the --

[ Cheers and applause ] And go. Sometimes, the nicotine, it recoils on you. You know what I mean? It's like, you can go too far.

You can overpower. But I'm going to --

“What if I become an advocate for too much nicotine pouches?”

Like, 15 minutes is all you need. [ Laughter ] But you do forget how time works. Yeah. So, party, how you want.

I mean, that'd be great. I would love to forget this time here yet right now, honestly.

Right? [ Cheers and applause ] So, well, fucking mess. That's what we're doing right here. Right now.

“We're just like, what a crazy show in a building where there's no outside.”

Beautiful. [ Laughter ] Okay. March of 2024 is like, a year ago. He starts searching the area.

He dives three times a day for 20 days. Like, this guy -- Lots of nicotine, probably. [ Laughter ] He uses machinery to suck debris from the pit.

And on one of his dives, he pulls up a hubcap. When he goes home and looks it up, he finds that it's a match for the type of hubcap that would have been on the Martin family car. Archer keeps diving to the spot.

Ultimately, locating a car and takes measurements proving that it is the correct

make and model. Nobody knows. [ Laughter ] Oh, no, wait, sorry. Here it is.

An early 1950s Ford County Squire. A County Squire. That's what it fucking said.

“I don't -- I don't -- I've never heard of that before.”

So, armed with all this evidence, Archers, able to get the Hood River County Sheriff's Department to hire contractors to pull the car out of the water. Okay, here's the thing. The sucks.

But the car is upside down. And they wind up just detaching the undercarriage and pulling that up. I have -- There's a picture of it. Oh, no. Is that a chassis?

Is that what the cover is?

Is that what is happening with you? This is the drug. The map. This is all that. What's that a chassis?

What's not about a V8? I don't know. V12? It's happening. They just fucking break it in half.

It'll -- it happens, you know. Still. I mean, they're doing something. Yes, something's happening. Yes, that's great.

It's good. So, he keeps diving because he's just determined to find an irrefutable proof that this is the Martin family car. And so, just this past August, I swear to God, it's 20, 25.

I'm not fucking going to pass the paper around.

Archir dives one last time to the site where he had found the car. And on the spinal dive, he hopes to conclusively link the car to the Martin's. So, he brings up various artifacts.

“And I think we can't show you the pictures because they don't let”

us. It's really annoying. He brings up -- What did they say? We don't tell.

Okay. He brings up various artifacts that link the Martin's, like the remnants of Shoes Barbara Martin was wearing that day. It's just the soul, the canvas has disintegrated, but it's the shoe that she was wearing.

I also -- a camera and the camera case that has Ken Martin's name and their address on it. Oh, shit. So, yeah. Fucking -- it was over.

So, that was on that day or like later, but same team. No, that was his last dive. That was his -- like, that happened. And he was like, okay, I'm going to go in. One more fucking time.

And he's also able to bring up human remains. He should have left this. I know. Yeah. Yeah.

Disturbing maybe crime scene. But I mean, you know, we're not judging. We're judging. He hands the remains over to a hood river share up beauty and they are now with the Oregon State forensics investigators.

And there's hope they'll be able to find clues as to why and how they ended up at the bottom of the cascade locks. For archer and many Oregonians, it's clear that the family drove into the water in a tragic accident. The Martin family is still very much in Portlanders part. The story has stayed in the news pretty much consistently over the past almost 70 years. 60, it'll be 67 years in December.

There's been books written in documentaries made about the mystery. The daughter of one of the Oregonian reporters who had tirelessly covered the case has one of Ken's candy cane decorations and keeps it out on her porch in memory. Archer says he plans to hold a memorial service this December at the spot where the car was found in cascade locks. And that is the story of the Martin family disappearance. Wow.

Wow. Thank you. I mean, thank God. I know. It's just so tragic.

It's tragic, but then it's such a beautiful thing that like one person so many people. But like this one guy that cares so much that he's just like, look, I'm going to fucking take care of this. Like I'm doing it. Like one person can make such a huge difference.

Yeah. That's lovely. Yeah. Nice. Thank you.

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And I feel like the second I started it, you guys are going to know exactly what I'm talking about.

Let's see. This story starts in 1997. A string of armed robberies have walked northeast Portland over the last year. Nearly 20 businesses in this part of the city, including mom and pop stores, have been hit. And their employees terrorized by thieves robbing them at gunpoint. Thankfully, no one's been physically hurt in any of these heists.

But the police have no idea who's responsible. Then in November of 1997, they finally get a break when the rustic at Italian cafe on northeast Broadway. And northeast 17th Avenue is hit.

“It's now the Broadway grill and brewery.”

Of course it is. I just shove a brewery in there. So during this incident, shots are fired. And for the first time someone is wounded, but it's not an employee or patron of the cafe. It's one of the thieves.

He still gets away with this time. He'll leave behind DNA evidence that will finally give police the big break they need in this year long crime spree. And when those tests come back, they'll identify two very unlikely culprits. Because the thieves terrorizing the area are not hard in X-Cons or members of a crime syndicate. They're two of the most popular boys at Grant High School.

Oh my god. And Grant's principal at the time will tell time magazine that quote, they were feisty, defying it. I don't want to say it, but okay, borderline assholes. Finally someone. Someone says it in time magazine.

And then his the final line of that quote is together. They were bad for each other. The story of star students turned armed robbers Tom Curtis and Ethan Thrower. Wow. I don't know this one at all.

I was so panic to get through that without everybody knowing that I picked it up, not didn't even take the paper clip off. I was just like, I will shove this into your ear. Okay. The sources for this are a 1999 article entitled, "Most likely to succeed"

by writer John Cloud for time magazine. In 1998 article entitled, "The Boys Next Door" by Morin O'Hagan, which ran it in the Willamet Week in the Willamet Week newspaper.

And a 20, I always want to say Willamet.

Willamet. And it's, I've been stressing about Willamet all God damn day. Willamet. I've been kind of whispering it to myself, where it's like, it's logical. Willamet.

Willamet. And a 20, 23 article entitled, "Runners High" by Julian Ballsy. And that ran in Grant magazine, which makes me go, "Just Grant High School have their own magazine.

I would love that more than anything." Yes, they do. They do. It's a nice glossy kind of like people. But with local gossip.

Is there a word, John Boy?

Who wore it better? This armed robber, this turned senior? Okay. So when our story begins, Tom Curtis, Nathan Thrower, are both in high school.

Good friends with similar upbringings with loving families, middle-class homes. They're both in the same class at Grant High. And that's also the high school where Mr. Holland's opus was filmed.

Have you ever, have you ever? It's picture us. It's beautiful, you guys. Absolutely. Look at that.

Leigh Gorgeous. It's truly. My high school did not look like that. And yet, robbers, armed robbers coming out. True, day and night.

True. Overrun with robbers. But Tom and Ethan are at the top of their class. And they have a long list of impressive extracurriculars.

“What did you do for extracurriculars in high school?”

Are you serious? Yes, I am. I went to raves. Took ecstasy. And then I'd go straight from the rave to my 6am bakery jobs.

Still kind of high. Oh, like, I don't know what to tell you. Yes. Soccer, I did soccer. I was a track runner.

Yes. Soccer player. Soccer and track. Yeah, very simply. Why did you do?

In high school, I did speech and debate. Oh. And then I realized, I don't like school. And I don't care about extracurriculars. I'm not staying here for very much longer.

Yeah. Yeah. I realized everyone was on this, like, a track. Oh, like, I have to do this, this and this. So I can get to college.

And I was like, wait, wait a second.

I don't want to go to college. No. I was like, I just want to dance. Yeah. And look, we're going to come in.

Look at what? Look. You're fucking works. Dropouts. It works.

Dropout. It works. Molly, please edit this part out. It's wrong to tell the children. Okay.

They're, okay. So both boys are track stars. Ethan sings in Grant Hyes elite choir. The royal blues. Mm.

Anyone sing for the royal blues? No. Lyr. That's stolen valor. Here.

If you're blue and as if you sing in the royal blues, I will call the FBI. Yeah. Tom is an eagle scout. And he is also crowned the home kind of coming king.

Wow.

Which has never happened in history.

Wait. What? Just kidding. Which part? Sorry.

That was an eagle scouts or nerds joke. And I guess you're on nerds. So. Eagle scouts, homecoming king. Well, Ethan is on the homecoming court.

So he was nominated. But he didn't win. Um, they've been described as the most popular kids at Grant High. And both win senior superlatives. Tom's is funniest.

And Ethan gets best dressed. Which one would you want?

“I mean, like, which superlative would you rather have?”

I won funniest girl. But I was working day and night for that to be loaded. I mean, I never shut my goddamn mouth. I couldn't. I literally couldn't.

The teacher was hated. They were just like, but none of these. We beg you. None's begged me. I did.

It's like, I'll be quiet when I feel like it. Sister Muriel. But Tom and Ethan also have their differences. Ethan's more laid back. He's like a chill guy personality.

Whereas Tom is the class clown. Bit of a shitster. In old reports, people often describe him as having issues with knowing where to draw the line. Which seems very generous.

Uh, so Tom, when I was reading this, and it isn't true. But I was like, this guy sounds short. Oh, my. Sorry. I don't think you could say.

You know those short guys where you're like, what are you fucking doing? Hold on. Let me tell you the rest. And then you can argue with me. I'm saying this as a girl who spent all of high school fat.

“And so like, plenty of people said that to me.”

Let's all name it as we see it. What am I talking about? I'm 55. Okay. For example, Tom runs for student body president.

And he gives a speech that is juvenile and mean spirited. Now, it is 1997. And that's all anything was ever. Yeah. Very much the pre internet where everyone became best friends.

But like literally eight years before it was like as toxic as it could be. Yeah.

So he basically gives a campaign speech where he just makes fun of what every faculty

member looks like at the school. Oh, super mean. Right. And the teachers are humiliated. I mean, he like takes them down.

But a good teacher. And you're like, I'm just trying to help. Yes. Fucking kid comes along. Yeah.

You and your teeth are whatever.

Where you're like, I didn't realize.

“But of course, his classmates eat it up and he wins the election.”

And this is the definition of life in the 90s. Around the same time, August of 1997, Tom and Ethan and some of their friends are at a 7/11 when they see the long, the line gets really long. They don't want to wait in the line. So they just walk out with the shit in their hands.

The cashier goes out and confronts them. And she's like, hey, what are you doing? Yeah. And then, um, things escalate the way it's written as things escalate. Tom ends up punching her in the face.

And after acting brilliantly to the responding officer, resisting arrest and getting bitten by a police dog, whilst trying to run away, holy shit. Sure, right? [ Laughter ] Tom is arrested and multiple charges are filed against him.

So we don't have any details about how this case progressed through the courts because of court. Juvenile court and so it's our sealed. Right.

“What we do know is that Tom eventually does apologize to the clerk.”

My guess is that he was compelled to buy the judge. Right. Essentially to be like, we can get these charges dropped. Yeah. All that is to say, Tom is the more confrontational of the two buddies.

And as that vice principal said, Tom and Ethan bring out the absolute worst in each other. Little does that vice principal or anyone else know that the year before these boys win their year books, superlatives before the incident at 7/11. Tom and Ethan have been needy in very serious escalating criminal activity. And that begins in November of 1996 when they are both juniors.

The two of them start stealing cars and taking them for joy rides around Portland.

And they never get caught. So they just keep doing it and they just keep loving it.

And they're just like, this is it. This is the life for us. So of course they're emboldened by that and a few months into stealing cars. They decide they're going to take it up a notch and see if they can pull off a robbery. So right. So they target a Howard Johnson's that's close to their high school.

Smart and using a handgun that Ethan took from his dad. So basically a real handgun. They put on ski masks and they run into the Howard Johnson's and they rob the manager and then they run away. 15 days later. The two of them hit a basket in Robbins a few weeks after that. They hit the Burger King where Ethan works.

They're not going for like, hi. Where he works. He works there and they're like, you know, we're going to do come back later. You'll take that shirt off in the hat for sure. And ski masks which are smell like Burger King for sure. Yes, we can tell it's you.

Most robbers don't smell like oil.

So they rob that and then they go back to the same basket robins and hold that same cashier up for a second.

Come on, leave her alone for real and it is a woman of course. So now it's a spree and they continue on. They rob a small natural food store. We're not sure which one. A new age you shop could be fucking anywhere.

A Barnes and Noble closed now. Not really. What she's saying? She goes, no. Oh my god, spoiler. We have bad news about the Barnes and Noble.

Franchise my friends. I don't even get into bed bathroom beyond my god. It's totally not even on this page. Okay, there it is. An ice cream parlour, so a non-baskin robins, I guess, a Wendy's and a Taco Bell.

They even pull in fellow students on some of these robberies. So a couple of them, they're not alone.

“That's how like they get so emboldened by not being caught.”

That they're like guys, come hang with us and rob people. So according to the williamet week, week, newspaper. They net between 50 to $60 to $500 in each robbery. Do you want to go in today's money? $97, $60 to what?

Between $60 and $500. Okay, it's going to be between $124.50. Not even close. It's so disappointing. It's just difficult.

It's just random numbers guessing. That's what we call this part of the show. You're saying numbers to me and I'll say numbers to you. You're not telling your law about the numbers you said today. Every time.

And yet it's meaningless.

“But also fast food was like 59 cents back then.”

So cheap. Why would you? If you get me started about the price of the groceries and how nobody can fucking survive these days and what the fuck is actually going on. How do people buy groceries?

I don't buy anything. No. It was, thank you. It was between $120 and $1,000 in today's money. Such huge risk.

You could barely buy any nicotine pouches for that. Okay. So all the while these boys are telling themselves what they're doing isn't that bad because they're not hurting anybody. And they get to feel like badass gangsters.

The police noticed the uptick in robberies directly around Brent High School pretty early on. But the robbery unit, which would have been the unit that tracked all of these robberies and kind of went, hey, I see a pattern here. It had recently been cut.

So they're all investigated kind of in a vacuum as individual robberies. And no one looks at the big picture. And if someone on the force had been looking at them collectively, they would have noticed the similarities in MO, not just the area, but the MO, the witness descriptions of the thieves themselves.

And the fact that all the victims report, the purps are both young men.

One is white, one is black, and they're always wearing ski masks.

So pretty consistent. Yeah. But for months, please. That's a one short one short one short one short one short one short one short one. Usually, don't allow audience participation, but that one.

That one. That one. It's important. With Portland, I allow it because they don't fuck around. They're not just going to be like, oh my sister says hi or whatever.

They don't do that. It's not a Stephanie Woohoo with like a fucking actual. No. Thanks. That's why you do it.

Thank you. So for months, the police have no idea who is behind these robberies, until Tom and Ethan decide they're going to case a local blockbuster for a future cross. You're so minted, right?

This is also, I'm the exact same age and like school, whatever, as them, and so I'm just

like there. Yes. You're feeling it. They've got their hyper color shirts on. Jinkos.

Jinkos. Jinkos. Jinkos. Some poock and necklaces here and there, even though it's the Pacific Northwest, like, you're not in Hawaii, you take that off.

Or were you just? Right. Okay. So someone sees them casing the blockbuster, calls the police when the police arrive, Tom and Ethan just outrun them because they're track stars.

Oh my god. You run away from a cop before? First, a security guard? No. Me either.

Tell it. Tell it. Nope. My juvenile record is sealed and it's going to stay that way. I'm going to have it reopened.

I'm going to say it's for the podcast. It's really important. Did you run from police? They run from. Oh yes.

No one's here. Yes. No one's here. Yes. No one's here.

Yes. No one's here. What? What? What were your pockets filled with?

No one's here.

“Can I just say we want to an amazing like vintage antique store place today?”

And the owner, she wasn't there. It was a partner that worked there and told me I bought five, you know, Lucy cigarettes. They want to sell them loose. She knitted Lucy cigarettes and some of them are full and they have a pipe cleaner in them.

So if you hold up your holding a knit cigarette, that looks like a real cigarette. And I looked and I was like, like, my eyes, I was like, there's no way that this is what I'm seeing. And then I picked it up like this and I was like, is this a knit, Lucy cigarette? He's like, yes, they and some of them are knit to look like they're halfway burnt

down. That's the end. That's a lot of effort to fucking smoke a little doob, you know. It's just a, like, it's just a prop. Yeah.

There's no reason to do it except for to have a half burnt out cigarette and fold it and be like, what, and it just smells like weed and it feels like, yes. That's amazing. I'm so excited about my knit. You bought one?

I bought all five. Yeah. That's art. That's fucking art. Yeah.

Yeah.

“Actually, Marcus, will you ask Craig if he would grab some of those Lucy's?”

Maybe, maybe if the hometown is good enough, someone will get a Lucy. Okay. Listen, I have a story to tell.

year at Grant High, Tom's won a track scholarship to a college in New York State and Ethan's

“been accepted to a school in West Virginia.”

So, they're, their futures are laid out in ahead of them, and it's been a year since they're foray into armed robbery. They've rubbed 18 businesses so far, all while leading double lives, a star students. Now they're starting to feel like, I don't know, maybe this might catch up with us and it could affect our future and ruin prom.

So, so Tom and Ethan decide they're going to do one last big crime, they got to do it. Got to do it. It's like no one reads or watches TV, they're like, more of the ones that are going to do the one last big crime, and it'll be fine. This time.

Yep. So, they start by stealing a Chevy suburban and driving it to a local Italian restaurant called Rastica, when they get there, the boys put on their scheme, the boys put on their scheme as, and they take the gun and they storm in and the shocking diners and staff. It's just a lovely little Italian restaurant in a neighborhood.

And there's, that's like full of people, yeah, bananas, okay. Yeah. They demand money from the register, they threaten the staff, they run out with about $500 on do a fast one, $1,200, close to 1000. Okay.

Yeah. So, they, Tom and Ethan then climb into the stolen Chevy suburban and they speed away looking for somewhere to ditch it and like switch cars and be badasses, thinking that they've just gotten away with their last big robbery, but while Tom is driving, Ethan decides and this breaks my heart because this is absolutely something I would do.

And decides that he is going to take his father's gun and put it in the waste band of his pants like a badass gangster, right?

“That's something you would do, what are you talking about?”

No. You don't know me. I can take multitudes. No, I mean, I just mean in the way of, don't think that I'm trying to look for things all the way through to what's the bad thing that could happen.

But for example, Ethan shooting himself in the balls. No. Yes. No. It's horrible.

It's like a bad joke. It's worst case scenario for a lot of people. Oh, my God. They just think they're like kind of, you know, amped up right of like getting away and suddenly

it's turned into, well, I mean, first of all, just the idea of a gun going off inside

a car. Yeah. Yeah.

“And then secondly, it's your friend like staring at each other.”

Because you know there's the seven seconds of I can't feel anything. Maybe nothing happened. I guess. I don't have never been. I didn't tell you about when I got shot in the balls.

Senior year was crazy. We can only assume it was insane. What we know is that it didn't involve a lot of linear thinking. It happened next. Oh, we know it's Tom immediately pulls the car over at Northeast 27th Avenue in Halsey

Street. Right?

It's just basically blocks away from the restaurant.

They just rocked. No. So immediately pulls over. They ditch the suburban. Tom then calls 911.

It's unclear how they get there, but they end up at the hospital. Oh, yeah. But it's not via ambulance. Ambulance. So when they box them, maybe.

I mean, some nice person picked up two high school boys. One bleeding terribly. Yeah. I don't know. That's a story.

I don't know. Yeah. I'll delve deeper into this and get back to every single person in this room. But thank God they end up at the hospital. That's when everybody sees what's happening.

The boys are separated. The police are called and they both start getting questioned.

So Ethan says that at first Ethan says that he was shot by gang members.

And Tom, the old, the old little get you out of it, Tom backs him up, Tom backs him up so much that he takes the police down to the spot where he claims the gang members shot Ethan. Mm-hmm. Meanwhile, well, they're doing that, Ethan cracks and immediately tells the police it wasn't gang members.

It's my dad's gun. We did it. We did it. And totally, yeah. He basically is like, I can't have my parents find out like fall falling apart.

Well. Okay.

So they both leave out the part about robbing the restaurant, obviously.

But the police can connect the dots pretty quickly because Tom's 911 call came in minutes after the 911 call from Rustica. And a Chevy suburban had been reported missing earlier the same day and it's then found right where the teens left it, not far from Rustica with a bloody front seat and a discarded ski mask lying nearby.

Guys, you've got to go to college before you become a criminal. Yeah. That's one of those like, your mom isn't going to come through here and pick up all your ski masks after every robbery. But without an admission from Tom or Ethan or any other hard evidence connecting them

to the Rustica robbery or the Chevy suburban robbery, the investigators don't really have much of a case. All they can do is take a blood sample from the suburban, send it off for testing against Ethan's DNA and hope a match will justify and rest warrant. It takes several months, but in April of 1998, when Tom and Ethan are weeks away from

graduation, those Tesla results come back.

“The DNA and the suburban matches Ethan's own and police also find witnesses who remember”

seeing a suburban fleeing the scene after the Rustica robbery. It all gets tied together. At this point, police also have built out a crime map of the 19 businesses that have been targeted around Grant High School and they're finally connecting them to Tom and Ethan. We have that map, but there it is.

What's synergy? It's almost like a clock. That's the number, the center of it right there, just like boys. What synergy is that a yoga studio? They didn't have those, though.

Please don't tell me you robbed synergy. Not synergy. What? Do you know what synergy is?

Like a store or anything, you never heard of it.

Does anyone, you know what synergy is? Nobody knows.

“Oh, they're not, they're not even listening to me, those two women.”

I thought you were raising your hand, they're talking and pointing at the map and talking to each other. I live there! I'm talking into a microphone, it's the loudest thing. What is there a key or something?

That's where your house is. I live behind synergy. All right, well, that didn't work. Show to the map. They even find witnesses at one of the earlier crime scenes who saw distinctive getaway

vehicle, a red Volkswagen bug, that's the kind of car Tom drives. So very suspiciously, the robberies, in this part of Portland, stop right around the same time that Ethan shoots himself in the balls. So when April 16, 1998, 19-year-old Ethan Throer is arrested in connection with the restica armed robbery.

This is what sucks. Ethan is arrested at school one day before senior prom.

“Oh, when I wrote and ruined prom at the beginning of the stories, I was just writing”

a joke. I hadn't gotten to this part and then when I read this part, I was like, "You've got to be fucking kidding me." It literally ruined prom. Oh, man.

I mean, I'm not going to start a picture and I'm like, what happens when one of the most popular boys in high school gets arrested at school and it was like, "Do you get a reverse spirit tunnel out like do the cheerleaders line up on either side and then cry you out?" Or, "I'm just, I like to work through possibilities." Ethan's authorities are trying to secure an arrest warrant for Tom.

He doesn't end up going to prom. Shut up. I swear to God. All right, good for him. Thank you.

Beautiful night of your life. Right. He still deserves a beautiful night of dancing. The theme of the prom that year was the psychological damage of gun violence on the victim.

That's a weird coincidence. What were the decorations? But once prom is over, Tom vanishes. Oh. That's right.

The fact that a high schooler is able to slip through the Portland PD's fingers is incredibly embarrassing for them. Sure. He's like, "I just want to party one more time. Can't you guys leave me alone?"

They're like, "You know what? Yes, we will." And then he's gone. So now it's graduation day at Grant High and two Genki white plastic folding chairs sit empty on the football field.

Why always the hardest folding chairs to sit in grass that's sinking because it's always

I've got it.

“Look at that's all me just writing jokes.”

Oh, here it is, it's worth it. You know that type of a valedictorian girl was so pissed, she had to rewrite the top of their speech, like today we're here to honor our hard work and dedication of these past four years. While some people want to stay jarred by committing a bunch of felonies that cannot abstage

our determination. That was worth it. Oh, it's actually really black and gray. Okay, thank you. I just put myself in the mindset of a person who did do homework.

Then, in June of 1998, the story comes out that Tom was not actually on the lamb when he disappeared. He just went on the big Mexico trip, his buddies planned for graduation. Yeah. Like walked right through with his passport in a relay.

Yeah? Okay. Of course, now there's even more outrage in Portland because all ready when the story broke

“the people of Portland were just like, what's wrong with these kids?”

He's like, what is happening? And then it was just like, here's a further update on that story and you're not going to like it. Yeah. It's like insane.

So also his friends on this Mexico trip knew he was, he was supposed to get arrested in Portland. Nobody touched on him. Yeah. Yeah.

Because broke code, right? So once the trip is over, Tom then does actually go on the lamb. He gets himself to Mesa, Arizona, he gets a job at a local cafe.

He starts renting a room there and he basically just kind of starts life over in Mesa.

Neither his landlord nor the couple who owns the cafe, he works at any idea that he's a fugitive and a criminal. The landlord will later describe him as, quote, the best tenant I ever had. Wow.

“And the cafe owner will describe him as, quote, just wonderful.”

Wow. I mean, it all could have been so great in Mesa, Arizona. But that summer the TV show America's most wanted runs a story on Tom. Yeah. Snitches.

Yeah. America's most wanted. Such snitches. See ultimate snitches.

And they never got any stitches.

The owners of the diner see the episode. Oh, no. I thought he was so wonderful. And they are snitches. Yeah.

So through uncontrollable sobbs, they call in and report their beautiful tenant. I mean, employee to the police. Tom somehow though gets wind of it or is just smart enough to know and he leaves before the police arrive. Next time anyone hears from him, he, it's him calling his father from the tropicana hotel

in Las Vegas. And Tom tells his dad he wants to surrender. And basically they talk and then he ends up turning himself into the FBI in Las Vegas. Tom is eventually extradited back to Oregon.

He will ultimately plead guilty to 19 of the 100 counts filed against him.

So nuts. And then there's a very long paragraph from Marin explaining why she didn't try to do the then math of the how much money they made from all their robberies. Where I'm just like, girl, do not worry. She thinks it's around $10,000.

So here's where a woman named Donna Nelson, who owned one of the businesses that Tom Curtis and Ethan Thrower targeted. She will go on to say, and tell a reporter quote, "They were terrorists. They held a gun to the head of our clerk and counted and asked him if he wanted to die." And the kiss that cashier at Baskin Robbins, who they rob twice, is one of the many victims

who afterwards reported sustained psychological trauma because of that experience, including recurring nightmares. So nothing can fully erase the harm that these boys did. But this is one of those stories where both men go to jail and we do see some change, which is pretty amazing.

Definitely, of course, a lot of growing up horrible that they're tried as adults and they go to jail. The youngest adults that can go to jail. Tom has a rough time at first, which is a hilarious thing to say about going a fucking prison. He eventually becomes a model prisoner, he's known for his big personality in his charm,

just like in high school. Does he get to do some relatives in prison? Yeah. And you're prison-yerval? Is there a prison-yerval?

There's, in a way.

And then he's released in 2009 when he's 29 years old. So he serves his full sentence.

“He would be in his 40s now, he seems to be living a very quiet life.”

One of the few public comments he ever gave over the years was in 2000, he was still in prison. And he declined an interview with The Oregonian, but he did tell the reporter that he would like to dissuade kids from acting as mindlessly as himself. Lincoln meanwhile is released in 2006, a few years before Tom. Now in his mid-20s, he enrolls at Portland State University.

He graduates in 2009. He's a family man now, and he works here in Portland as a youth social worker. And he has also this I love. He's written a children's book called "A Kids Book About In Carceration," where he talks about his time in prison.

And in the book, he writes, quote, "Today I reflect on the people I hurt and the choices I made. I know I can't take them back, but I can't talk about it, listen and be part of helping others. I am here to tell you change and growth are possible in people.

I am glad I never lost sight of this and that I got a second chance.

And that is the story of the great high school star students, the turn criminals, Tom Curtis, and you can throw them. Holy shit.

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Thank you. Wow. Have you time for a long time? Yes, this. Yes, this.

Yo, yo, yo. Good, say it for all ladies and gentlemen. Hey, yeah, there he is. Correct me if I'm wrong.

“I think this is the first time you've done a show in an active war zone.”

[APPLAUSE] Yeah, so I'm going to try to get you guys some empty bottles of Mountain Dew to spit your dip. Ooh. [LAUGHTER] OK, Vince is on this side.

Guys, can you see? Oh my god, they're so cute. Can you see these? [CHEERING] It's a little bit about the hometowns, the rules.

OK, it's hometown time. You know all these rules.

Here's the first rule I'm going to say to you guys.

Holy shit. Don't fucking threaten us. [LAUGHTER] My god, that's so satisfying. It felt pretty great.

I did. The first thing I thought of when that was like, is this, there's beautiful, like, porcelain something inside that thing. As I kicked it. There was a cat.

There was a cat. [LAUGHTER] Do that. This is a part where you tell your hometown. It's got to be local.

If it can't be Portland, it should be Oregon.

Don't be so drunk.

You can't tell your whole story.

What are the rest of them? Beginning middle end. Beginning middle end. And you know. Don't be shitty.

[LAUGHTER] I think you're going to do it now. I think this is your big time. I have to pick. Okay.

You can do it. I hate this. I'm so sorry, everyone. Please forgive me. Oh my god.

Yes. Right. Yeah. Come over there, Vince. [APPLAUSE]

Sorry.

As a people, please, are you kidding?

[LAUGHTER]

“As a people, please, are that's really fucking hard.”

It's just a good vision. That's literally the reason. Everything gets so intense at that part. I mean, people who are like, like, this and something like that. [LAUGHTER]

It's like, okay. Lamb of God. [LAUGHTER] Hi. Hey.

[APPLAUSE] Yeah. Guys, this is honor. [APPLAUSE] [INAUDIBLE]

Oh. She's still right in the middle there. Is that your pull-up? Here we go.

So the friend that I'm with is Superumbar.

Right now, she's like, oh. [LAUGHTER] So my name's honor. And I-- Where are you from?

Southern Oregon, Roseburg. [LAUGHTER] Those people are not from Roseburg. [LAUGHTER] Like, no.

You wouldn't share. You wouldn't share. Not a lot of sharing. For Roseburg, okay. So--

[LAUGHTER] I-- Obviously, I grew up there.

“And in, like, grade school, we had someone transferred to our class,”

and we'll call her Jennifer, because there were, like, 19, Jennifer's in our class. Um, and it was super concerning because she lived with her aunt and everybody, oh, sorry. I'm old.

[LAUGHTER] So-- Don't apologize to me. Don't apologize to me. Like, the, like, mid-80s.

Uh-huh. So, you know, we were watching the evening news as a family. [LAUGHTER] And, um, I'm not drunk. I'm just-- no, you're fine.

[LAUGHTER] Yeah. [LAUGHTER] Like, my family will tell you, she falls off the time. [LAUGHTER]

Um, anyway. So-- [LAUGHTER] Uh, so she transferred to our school, and they lived with her aunt. And we knew that her mom had passed away, and her dad was in prison.

And, yeah, exactly, shit. Uh, because we're children, and you shouldn't tell us that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, um, it just moved along.

It was like, okay, like, that's your family. I have a stepdad. Like, we're all just different. [LAUGHTER] We're moving along.

“And then, like, I think it was like somewhere in high school, and the, um,”

front page of the news review. You're welcome. Uh, said, like, Jennifer's down, just released. Uh, and I was like, oh, look at this, and my parents were like-- [LAUGHTER]

And, like, what's happening? And so the story was that her mom had passed away because she hadn't read the instructions on the hairspray. And, uh, she had lit a cigarette at the same time. Exactly.

And so, and I was like, what? I don't understand. But in the 80s, you don't ask questions. You just heard like, okay, that checks. Let's go to Boy Scouts or whatever.

Uh, so years later, I googled it. And, um, yeah, she definitely, there was a fire. But she had passed away after a gunshot with it. And I was like, um, so does anybody else see this? Like, is anybody talking about this?

Or you and Countsley, and like, let's unpack this. And so, it was, yeah, it was very awkward. Because it was like in college and, you know, Portland State, whose mascot, you guys need to know the name. It's a Viking, and his name is Victor Ivike.

[LAUGHTER] So, the hometown's over now, right? Sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no. That was great.

So, I understood later that she was in foster care, and if you have the opportunity, please become every source parent because, like, we need to. Oh, yes, yes.

Beautiful. Honor. That was great, no. Honor, everybody. Honor.

Look. Now, honor. You get your choice. Which Lucy, would you like? Um, definitely one that's been burned.

Yes, obviously, right? Yes. Honor, everybody. Honor. Let Roseburg know.

Let Roseburg know how you feel. Oh, my God. Portland.

“What a joy to be back here with you, again, live.”

There was a while there where it felt like it was never going to happen.

And it's a really, a dream come true that we're here, and that we get to see your faces in person. It really means the world to us that you give a shit about this podcast after 10 years. It's incredible.

Thank you so much. Thank you. And we love you, Portland. We support you. We love what you guys are fucking doing.

And, um, you know, get gas. Take gas. Yeah. And also stay sexy. And.

Yes. Thanks, you guys.

Elvis, do you want to cook key?

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