547 - Always on the Precipice

Welcome aboard season 6 of the Girl Friends, Flight or Fight, which takes place 30,000 feet in the sky, a beautiful woman smiles and hands you a scotch, but you have no idea just how messed up her job actually is.

“It was the most sexiest job I think you can have.”

To one day, a group of stuities spark a revolution that reshapes America. Listen to the Girl Friends, Flight or Fight, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder. That's George Hardstart, that's Karen Kilcaref.

And we're here to podcast at you, always and forever, that's the contract we signed with

the devil. Come with me. To have to podcast for the rest of your life. Listen, I shouldn't have said to hell. We love it here.

I love it. I love it. It's the best. I do secretary actions knowing that you don't have to do a secretary jobs. There's definitely just moments throughout my day where I think, think, fucking God, this is my life.

For real. So grateful. My passion that I discovered in sixth grade, which is reading aloud, is my job. And talking as much as you want. All the time.

Yeah. All the reasons. Talking here. Conversationally. Yeah.

Go ahead and reading it off of here. Just read your thing. Yeah. That's pretty great. And now you can, too.

Jake only $400. We're selling something. Yeah. Yeah. It's great.

Why is it bothering me? Okay.

Everyone selling something and those who say they aren't are lying.

That's right. A quote from what? Grimmace. Oh. I can't remember who was Grimmace.

I didn't get that. Sorry. That was the Grimmace part was just out of tune. I had a really, really big mocha for me. Oh yeah.

I had a pouch from a new brand in my gum that's supposed to give me energy. No. It's not nicotine. It's like a little energy pouch. No, trumpet.

What's it feel like? I feel good so far. Okay. I feel like it's working.

“Are you seeing multiplication in front of you and you're solving it?”

I know how to play chess now. What? Okay. I got to go. Yeah.

That's what I'm selling. Okay. Jake pouch. Energy pouches. I'm like Gen Z.

Oh, yeah.

You're down by the old farmville.

I don't know. Yeah. The games, people play. Thinking of games. Want to hear something funny?

Yes. Vence Avril. My one and only husband is so you say is now in a band with Marcus Parks from last podcast on the wall. No.

They're in a fucking band together. And now you can't do that. That's fucking amazing. But he plays golf with Chris Fairbanks and he's in a band with Marcus. What does Marcus play?

He plays drums. That's bad at that. They're like good. Will you please invite me when they do a show? Of course.

I don't know when it's going to happen. But yes, of course. Did they just start? No, they've had quite a few practices just jamming. Is it like the heavy metal that Vince is so interested in or whatever they call it?

No, it's a little more melodic. Oh. This isn't the case, but it reminds me of like Vince used to jam with his friends in New York for no reason than just jam and one of their girlfriends called it smoking pot practice. I mean, they were playing electronic fact that and this is different.

This is different. So let everyone know you're going to be opening for us. I thought you'd get a kick out of that. I love it. That's really bad.

Should we tell everyone that we have a podcast network in case they don't know?

“No, I think we should keep it as secret.”

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I covered them on episode 14, Civic Order. And speaking of familiar cases, over on Hollywood land, Jake tells the story of Rodney Alcala, the dating game killer, absolute monster. I covered that case back on episode 54 called ballet area. What was going on in those titles?

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Amazing topic. Arizona, you got some explaining to do. It's no secret. You've seen all those 80s movies.

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Fear now is such a rad-less name, isn't it? Yeah. And on pre-free sets, Michael and Melissa address all of the online buzz around Michael

joining the new season of the traders, including the most important question, did Alan

coming? Like him. Of course he did. How do you know? I mean, the two of them together get them a sitcom.

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You know, I'm not much for wearing your own merch. That's true. That's my stand there. And it's just in time for a national traffic awareness mug. You know how much we, you know how passionate we are every year, every year we tell you. And we say, it is traffic awareness. You know what it's been in your calendar. Stop it. No, we can take for months. Get away or how dare you. What's happening? Okay. Keep going drive safely and grab yours at exactly right store dot com. And if you see me driving my borrowed Hyundai Hong Kong.

Throw me a cupcake. Wow. This says we're getting to get that pouch out of your mouth and stop it. Your water is moments for my fucking falling over. No. There's so out of it. There we go.

It's always on the precipice.

Okay. I'm first. Yeah. Get out of my way. I'm going to sit here quietly. Like I always do. I'm going to tell you a little story that I had heard of like distantly. This is one of those like a far away forensic files kind of memory that you have.

“And it's interesting that truth behind it.”

Okay. It's July 2nd 1993 and we're in Pahang, Malaysia. And an ambitious 49-year-old state assemblyman named Maslin Idris is nowhere to be found. Maslin is a busy guy. So his family is used to going even sometimes full days without hearing from him. But now several days of past and they're worried. So he's reported missing to the police.

Twenty days later on July 22nd, his remains are found. And there are three people that suspicions fall on. But in the media, frenzy, the follows. Only one of them becomes the enduring face of this case. That person's name is Mona Fendi.

And this is one of the most notorious true crime cases in Malaysian history. Wow. This is the story of the witch doctor murders. The murder of Maslin Idris. Oh my god.

“The main sources used today are articles from the Malaysian newspapers The Star and the new”

Straits Times, as well as reporting by Mitzi Zereto and the rest of them are in our show notes. So now it's January of 1956. And a baby named Masna Ismail is born into a small conservative community. As she grows up, she gets really into singing and performing. And she fantasizes about moving to a big city and getting famous.

And although she does take a more conventional path in life by marrying and having a child,

she never gives up on that dream.

She never lets go of it. But by the time she's 30, she's divorced and raising her baby Diana alone. And that isn't till she meets. Twenty-nine-year-old Sound Engineer Muhammad Afendi Abdul Rahman. In most reporting, they refer to him as Afendi.

And so that's what I'll call him too. Masna and Afendi have this whirlwind romance and they're married very soon after they meet. And she likes to call her new husband her number one fan. And Afendi is ready and eager to use his music industry knowledge and connections to make her a star. So it's the perfect love story.

And this is when Masna decides that she needs a stage name. So she renamed herself Mona Fendi. And that's an homage to her husband who is now her manager as well, because it sounds like his name, Muhammad Afendi. So in 1987, the couple records and self-releases Mona's debut album. She names it Diana won.

Oh, there's Mona. Mona's jewelry goals. Like the gold bangles and the gold necklaces and stuff. Also Mona looks like she's in traffic thunder. She does in a way that is shocking and hilarious.

She's number one. So it isn't as you guessed. It isn't a chart topper.

“But a few of her songs actually do get airtime in Malaysia.”

Afendi even manages to book her on a couple of TV shows. Although that doesn't really go anywhere.

So a few years past and basically nothing pans out.

So Mona decides she's going to change course. She puts the music business behind her. And both she and Afendi pivot to shamanism. Okay. That's right.

Now in Malaysia, there's a long cultural tradition of shamanism. Their word for it is Bomo. And Bomo's used their connection to the spiritual world to offer traditional medicines through conducting rituals and talismans. Some of them even practice magic in the hope of addressing the person their clients issues.

The clients ask her help improving physical health, attracting a romantic partner, growing their net worth. This standard stuff that you go to. Anyone for really for help. So it's kind of unclear what would put someone on that career path.

“Although a relative of Afendi's will later say that he had a strong interest in mysticism.”

And that he studied himself studied under various Bomo's. But many sources are a little more cynical about the couple's motives.

And they basically just accused the Jew of opportunism.

Probably because they target rich people. Sure. So moaning gray shades herself with wealthy potential clients by lying about her connections to Malaysian royalty. Just like I do. We all can.

Always do. It works. You got a manifest that shit. You got you. And you just got to be believable as you do it.

So I'm the ares to the Malaysian fortune of aerotropics of neurotropics. So either sometimes she lies about being connected to Malaysian royalty or high level politicians. And basically that gives her gravitas. Then she's establishing trust with people. They think she's a player.

“She's also a glamorous 30 something woman with real charisma.”

And who wasn't an entertainer. So that automatically sets her apart from the stereotypical Bomo, which is like an old man basically. Yeah. She's not your dad's Bomo. So it all comes together.

And Mona is able to establish herself as a spiritual authority to the point where she begins to bottle and sell a tonic called the Light of Mona Fendi. Don't make me say. It's her version of sweet honesty. She's like splashing on. And you too can bathe in the light.

Burn and burn. Oh my God. It's worse than Gina Day. A Fendi meanwhile starts opening martial arts studios that blend the usual practice with his and Mona's own brand of mysticism. So cult.

Yeah. I was going. Yeah. It's a this martial arts studio that he meets a troubling man in his early 20s named Jeremy Hussin. So Jeremy has had a very difficult upbringing.

He's lived in poverty. Never got an education. He's been struggling with substance abuse. But he comes to this studio looking to better himself. And Fendi decides to take him under his wing.

He hires Jeremy to act as his and Mona's personal assistant. They all become very close. So now it's 1993. Mona's 37. A Fendi is 36 and Jeremy is around 23.

Their Bomo martial arts venture is working out for them. They claim to be able to do things like cure impudence and help customers maintain their youth. And enough people buy into this fantasy that it provides a very comfortable lifestyle for them. So they're making good money. This is one man named Maslon Idris comes into the picture.

Maslon is an ambitious state assemblyman with a goal of some day being elected. Pahang's chief minister. The equivalent here would like be a state legislator who's trying to become a governor. And Maslon is reportedly introduced to Mona and Fendi through a friend. He's a wealthy guy. He's also a true believer in this kind of spiritual magic. And their services are not cheap.

So he goes to them and they sell him.

A supposedly magical hat and came combo that costs him 2.5 million ringgit.

Which when converted is worth more than a million dollars in today's money. Shut up. Yeah, just to start spreading the news. Just to hello my baby all over the place. Do the prayers and do the stuff while he's sitting there.

But once it gets into like objects that are blessed or cursed or whatever, like yes, what are you doing? Well, your religion shouldn't have merch. Should it? No.

I mean ours does, but we're not affiliated. We're called with any money. And we've knitted it from the fucking beginning. That's right. That's our branding.

So they claim that this hat came combination is going to make him invincible. Great. So Maslon is because he's a believer.

“He clearly trust Mona and off on D and he wants to make this important purchase.”

But at the moment his cash is tied up in several properties that he owns.

So he basically pulls all the cash he can together.

And then he offers them a bunch of land titles as basically collateral. Until he can liquidate some other things to get more cash. Not liquidate things. He's got to for hat and came. He could be the WB frog if he just put his mind to it.

So on July 2nd 1993, Maslon withdraws 300,000 ring it from the bank. And then he disappears. Days later his family reports him missing and a search ensues. One day after Maslon disappears Mona and off on D go on a next level shopping spree in Malaysia's capital of Kuala Lumpur. They spend the next several days in a five star hotel.

They buy a brand new Mercedes, jewelry and electronics. And they pay for it all in cash. The classic green horn move. When someone goes in a shopping spree, you know they're not spending their own money. That's like, that's right.

Yeah, because you wouldn't do that if you had an attachment to you making that money. Right.

“You just got something you didn't earn and you were like, give me.”

Let me exchange it for all my dreams. Let me make bad financial decisions with someone else's money, not your own. So they pay for everything in cash and then to top it all off, Mona checks into a hospital and gets a multiple very expensive cosmetic surgery. Deep plain face. Oh, I see.

A neckliff. Yeah. An upper bluff. We only know one. So we know she got multiple, but the one we know for sure is that she got breast augmentation.

Everything else was undetectable, right? That's such a good surgery. No one. They're like, you're so refreshed. You shouldn't think much to learn about you.

You look exactly the same way you did in high school. I love it. If anybody says that to me, I go plastic surgery. I get plastic surgery all over the map. There's no hide, why would you hide it?

“You don't even go toxic because I have Botox.”

That's right. I don't even go toxic because I've already gotten it. It's filled with Botox. It could barely move my fucking face. Oh, nothing is real.

Another thing is real. The new straights times will later report that, quote, to prove that her body was still supple for a 38 year old. Mona asked the staff at the five star hotel to feel up her breath. And quote, I feel like people who got breast implants go really wild with that.

They need that kind of five star hotel worker available. You there, down the hall. Do you want to feel them? You know. So now it's July 13th.

It's been almost two weeks since Masland Edris's disappearance. And it is being covered extensively in the news. He is a government official. So just when Mona and offende are peaking in this spending frenzy that they're on, Jeremy is arrested under suspicion of drug possession,

which in Malaysia is a very serious offense. When they take him into custody, it's such a serious offense that he confesses to a totally different crime. And he tells the officers he helped kill Masland Edris. Wow.

Like, he's better off having been, I'm going to complicit a murder. No one knows why he confessed or did it that way. But there is a source that suggests he was intoxicated and he was confused about the arrest. He thought he was being arrested for the other thing.

God. Although he in his appeal, he accuses the police of using forced or questioning.

And basically saying he did it. He confessed under dress.

Either way, Jeremy confesses and he implicates both Mona and offende. And then in the coming days, police locate and unearthed Masland's remains. They were buried under a construction site for one of his own properties. Wow. And this part is horrible and graphic.

As all true crime stories lead to, but Masland's body was hacked into 18 pieces. And according to The Newstrates Times, knives and an axe, as well as what the police describe as, quote, an altar and statues of deities were found nearby.

Oh. Yeah. So Mona, offende and Jeremy are all arrested. Even though Mona is still healing from her plastic surgeries, they're all charged with murder and a joint trial begins a year later in September of 1994.

The story presented by prosecutors is gruesome and it's tragic. And essentially, this is what happened. Masland showed up on July 2nd with 300,000 Bringut. The money he was supposed to bring for the ritual he believed he was buying.

They basically brought him to a bathtub and it was filled with flowers.

And as he did that, Jeremy basically came and attacked him with an axe, killing him instantly. So it was a plant I was thinking maybe accidental or they poisoned him on axe. They're saying no, they eventually prove it was completely premeditated. Wow.

The part that I can never get over, which is they dismember the body and bury the remains.

“And how do you find two people who want to do that, like you do?”

You know what I mean? Yes. One person alone is unbathomable. Yeah. And then you're like, hey guys, Jeremy was reportedly given little more than half of the cash

that Masland brought to the ritual. And then Mona and Afandi took the rest of that cash plus the land titles. That Masland uses his IOUs. And the two of them drove off to Qualllum poor. During the trial, it comes out that Afandi almost immediately tried to claim those properties

as his and Mona's own by forging Masland's signature. Under oath, Mona and Afandi immediately turned on Jeremy. So I am twenty something you're looking at. Yes, they immediately turned on him and they blame it all on him. They claim that Masland still owed them for their services so they would have no reason to want him dead

because then they couldn't get paid.

On the standoff, Undy tries to actually explain away the forged signatures that were on the land titles

by saying, quote, as Jeremy had gone crazy and caused the death of Masland, I had no other choice, but to forge the documents to recover the money. Okay. There's no reason. There's no if then.

No. I can't follow. The prosecutors argue that this crime is premeditated and that the couple created a situation where they knew Masland would be carrying a lot of money and they planned to murder him. One motive for the murder is that getting Masland's properties is the real pay off.

And it's worth much more than all the incremental money they would have made off of him, charging him as a client.

“For hat sinkings and how many more things can you actually sell?”

Like all those fake mustache like glasses. Yeah, deals. That thing. Five hundred thousand dollars. Yeah.

Okay. So now it's the trial and the public is shocked and captivated at every turn. And every day there's an onslaught of news reports that cover the proceedings. So murders in Malaysia are rare, but the brutal murder of a sitting politician, where one of the killers is a woman and that woman is a shaman is unheard of.

So Mona becomes the object of the public's fascination, of course. She's young. She's she's a bomo and that's already made her a unicorn. But Mona's behavior in the courtroom really raises the intrigue levels. Do you have pictures of her?

Oh, yes, Mona walks into the courtroom every day doing an all-teeth smile. As she goes in and out, that's her smile every day. That's actually plastic surgery. She can't move it back. She looks thrilled.

It's very unsettling.

“So that's how she looked going in and out every single day.”

She wore very she clothes. She had a full face of makeup. She just to the nines.

Like, and she basically did this walk like it was a paparazzi walk.

It's such an out of touch thing to do that. You kind of, it makes a little more sense that that's what she thinks. She should be doing. Yes. Even acting like she isn't guilty.

You know what I'm like? This is weird. That's weird. She needs like an emergency PR person. She's a star.

She's not an actor. So she could only really cover herself that way. Here's another, just. Yeah, that is a joyous face. She just, I think she loves the camera.

Yeah. And it is that idea of like, I mean, this is the story so many times when people want to be artists. So I want to go that direction and it doesn't work out. Hitler, for example. Hitler himself.

It is a such a weird pipeline. Yeah. And then it's like showbiz. Anyway, anyway, get it. Yeah.

Great. I think those people, they should figure out that they can order those cameras and the flashes on Amazon. And you can just do that for yourself. Oh, take a photo of yourself. Walk down to the bathroom and make it a red carpet event.

Why not? Sure. You love it that much. I mean, it looks like if you cover the police people, it looks like she's on a sitcom. And they swear again, I do it.

She's in a commercial for pantyhose. Yeah. Yes. Completely crazy. You can look at those pictures and be like, she's so she equates she all about.

Or what is she doing? What is happening? She also gets, it doesn't stop there. She inexplicably refers to all the people following this case as her fans. She memorizes the names of all the reporters in the room.

She thinks the court photographers for taking her photo.

Yes.

And no one expects to see this at a murder trial.

Totally. And even though she's one of three people involved in this crime or being accused of this crime in the courtroom, it's only Mona. Yeah. As the press covers her rumors of her so-called black magic powers spread to the point that she's thought of less as a murder or a con artist. And more of a supernatural being who has just made a human sacrifice.

Wow. Yeah.

“When it becomes an international story, you may remember when it hit the US, they refer to her as a witch doctor.”

So it's just a complete circus. One reporter from Malaysia's The Star newspaper writes about an exchange where a court reporter saw Mona's other side. When he, quote, accidentally pushed against her and in the flash, the Irate Bomo spat at the poor man, the spittle hitting him in the arm. Everyone froze as the man duly dropped his camera and everything he was carrying and spread to the washroom to clean himself. The fear of enraging one believed who has supernatural powers is very real after all.

Wow. Yes. Not just it's gross. Yeah. It's, oh my god.

Like she's cursing. Yeah. So now it's February of 1995 and the trials over and the jury has gone out to deliberate. It takes them less than an hour before coming back with their verdict. All three defendants are found guilty.

At this time, a murder conviction in Malaysia is an automatic death sentence. Whoa. Yeah. Anti-death penalty advocates immediately start lobbying for a reduction of their sentences. No one thinks these people are innocent.

But advocates argue that given the media circus around the trial and especially around Mona herself, there's no way any of them had an impartial jury. Right. It took the whole country by storm. Yeah.

“So Mona, off on the end of Jeremy, spend six years on death row while police investigate”

to see whether they're linked to any other disappearances or unsolved murders, involving dismembered bodies or ritualistic deaths or anything. Nothing comes of it. But their sentence stands. And so one day in November of 2001, the three defendants are allowed several hours to say goodbye

to their families and they are executed. Wow. Mona's 45 years old, off on D is 44 years old, and Jeremy is 31 years old. Wow. And reportedly, I'm sorry to like this.

But it reportedly, Mona's final words are, quote, "I will never die.

My soul will live on forever even after my demise." Wow. Intense. Yes. She's not fucking around.

Look over that. It's a threat. Thanks to this case, in part, Malaysia, like India, Pakistan and Singapore, no longer has a jury system. It's abolished in 1995, a couple of years after this trial. And now all cases in Malaysia are determined by a judge.

There are people who debate, which is better, they both have flaws. Yeah. Although many people believe a jury trial is the symbol of democracy. Yeah. More recently in 2023, and thanks again to the efforts of anti-death penalty advocates.

Malaysia's mandatory capital punishment for crimes like murder, drug trafficking, treason, and other offenses is finally repealed. Judges can still issue a death penalty. It's no longer an automatic sentence. Oh, do you have a joint in your pocket?

Yeah. Goodbye. So scary. Meanwhile, Mona's role in Malaysian culture has transformed with time. She was a cultural boogie man.

The kind kids tell each other scary stories about sleepovers. And the story does re-emerge when Malaysian people are unhappy with their national politicians. Oh, sure. Uh-huh. So there was like a tweet that eventually was deleted.

It was like their politics. Yeah. And it was done something and somebody tweeted something like it turns out Mona Fandy was right. Right. Yeah.

And that's a threat. Right. Either way, it does seem like Mona Fandy was right because she isn't dead yet. Wow. And that's the story of Mona Fandy, the so-called witch doctor murderer.

Wow. I don't know that story at all. I same. Great job. Oh, thank you.

Thank you. I have a heist for you. Oh, you do. I sure do. What a wonderful gift.

Put on your top hat and get your cane. Uh-huh. And let's get ready. I just need to manifest a magical cane and hat. What kind of hat are you picturing?

Just a straw hat. Oh, I'm hello. You're, hello, my baby. Yeah. Totally right.

“You can punch through the top if you want to.”

Or I'm like a magician's like deep one. Ooh. We throw bunny. Get a little bunny on it. Yeah, that's where you put all your money.

Well, speaking of money. Oh. And heists. The magic.

The story I'm going to tell you today is in 1980s London heist, which at first baffled

burst on the London scene and commits at least six arm robberies in just a couple years. Oh. Yep. This is the story of the night's bridge security deposit heist.

Mm-hmm. And the main source for the story is an episode of the show, Britain's biggest heists. And the rest of the story is going to be found in the show notes. It's July 12th, 1987, and we're in London's night's bridge, neighborhood. Do you know it at all?

I've heard of it. Okay. Well, it's a very fancy neighborhood, southern edge of Hyde Park, and it's home to the most famous department store in the world, Harrods. It's also home to the less touristy, but just as expensive and fashiony Harvey Nichols.

This is a neighborhood where people are coming and going with a lot of money and very expensive things.

Thanks to always talk about Harvey Nichols on absolutely fabulous.

Oh, amazing. So it makes sense that right in the middle of the neighborhood is the night's bridge security deposit. A small office that houses 4,000 safe deposit boxes in a secured central vault. Yeah.

Love safe deposit boxes. Mysteries. Mm-hmm. These boxes are used by wealthy people who want to keep cash or jewelry in a safe place, but also likely by drug dealers and money launders.

Anyone can have a little secret in there. Like, no one can look in them. Sign up for a secret.

“If you want to, right, you can put anything in there.”

And the idea though, like, leaving a key behind when you die and they go to find what's in there. We're treasurer from World War Two. Yeah. Hidden things.

You will. Emily secrets.

I think more people should fuck with people when they die with their secured

deposit box. They just, like, set a timer and take a picture of themselves sitting on a chair in an empty room. That's like, where are they? Right. Or treasurer map.

The bank is owned and managed by a man named Parviz Latif. And on the afternoon of July 12th, he has an appointment with a pair of potential customers who want to tour the facilities to potentially rent a box. The facilities. The facilities.

Here's a photo of Parviz. So he's the owner of this whole area. He reminds me of Perfect Strangers. Oh, yeah. Bronson Pinchau.

Bronson Pinchau. Totally. So 80's that hair. And this is a cool guy. He went to Cambridge and then you met him at the train station.

And like one button on down at the top. Probably. Let's go get an espresso. Definitely like a gold necklace on. You can see it.

It's down there. Yeah. It's got the little Italian horn on it. That's right. I'll totally stop talking if you need me to.

I really wish he wouldn't. Okay. Stop. Parviz isn't his late 20's. He's very young to own such a high profile business.

And he had opened it. The business just a year earlier. But guess what? He has wealthy parents presumably. They fronted him the money or some of the money.

At least to open the business. Sorry. You can just open a security deposit box business.

“I guess that's what you've been telling me for five minutes.”

But like, it just dawned on me. Right. It's like owned by a bank. Right. It doesn't have to be like in a bank.

That's edgy. It is weird.

I guess I'd never like a PO box business.

You think that you'd have to have some sort of ties to the. Fucking US post office. I think that no. Do you not? I guess.

Well, I don't know about that. But we have to have some. So I want to see their contracts and their agreements. And everything. Please.

He went to night school to get his sort of education security deposit, which means I can. You can too. When the two potential clients arrive. Parvaz brings them downstairs at the basement where the vault is. And as soon as they're inside the vault, one of those potential clients, who, as you might have guessed, has actually no interest in renting a safe deposit box.

He pulls out a slot off shotgun and holds it to parvaz's back. The two Steve's then take Parvaz to the security control room. There's another guard there. They take him before he can trigger a alarm. And the thieves handcuff both men and lock them in the room outside the vault entrance.

And then there's one other remaining guard. They grab him also bring them down a gunpoint. So Parvaz and the two guards sit in the enter room, listening to banging coming from inside the vault. So this is what's funny to me is they don't have a sophisticated plan to get, you know, still the keys to get into each. They just start smashing this shit out of them, like literally.

The vault is made of solid steel and houses 4,000 boxes, but only 800 actually being used at the moment. The three hostages here at the thieves make a few trips up and down the stairs. They hear another person come in and join the thieves. And so a supervisor's schedule to come in by about five the thieves grab him. Hold him at gunpoint, put him with the rest of the staff, and then the thieves flee.

“The cases handled by the London metropolitan, London metropolitan, what?”

Metropolitan, Jesus. That was like in that fair amount of false could be. It could be the pocket. It's the sachet and your cheese. The cases handled by the one who is another side.

Why don't I couldn't get the word metropolitan. That's the one. Draw back. They say it on the commercial. When you put the pouch in.

The Metropolitan Police is flying squad, which we've talked about before. So named because they fly from district to district as needed. From interviewing the staff and looking at the destroyed inside the vault, the investigators can tell that these smashed the boxes with something like a sledgehammer. Loosen that, that had to feel good.

Loosen them from the wall, pride them out, and then smash them open.

“What about all the precious gems and things that would be in there that if you smash it?”

Like, I think they smashed it open to get, you haven't prided open. But my vase. That's on you, dude. That's not true. Why did you put it in there?

Doesn't even fit in there. You didn't have any bubble wrap around it or nothing. Just threw it in there. On my way to the grocery store. They can tell from different colored markings on the locks, which boxes were being used.

It's kind of suspicious that they already knew what to look for, right? So they wasted no time with the 1200 boxes that hadn't been in use of the 800 boxes that were in use. The thieves broke into 121 boxes, but they did go for the largest ones first. Smart. Yeah, but then also, I don't know.

Like when you go for your big presence, your small presence gets smaller. It's always a good. Yeah. It's so true.

Because it's always something weird, like a pair of boots or whatever.

That's not exciting. It's like check out the eye. I'd say me and Bob. Maybe a box too. Yeah.

I just want film unmarked film canister. Oh, with what? Mysteries. Secrets. And you shall.

I'm going to grant that to you. Thank you. Telling up a losses from those 121 boxes is complicated of course because not all the victims are going to come forward. And we don't really know. There's no fucking sign-in sheet.

It's just like, hey, you stole my stolen. All of that. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

“That's why it's an unsafe due to possible.”

People use safe deposit boxes. That's a way to hide assets either because they don't want tax authorities to know their true net worth or because possibly what's in the box isn't legal for them to even own. So like a gun or drugs and things.

Ultimately, 12 of the 121 affected box owners are never found.

12 people are like, oh, get it? I'm out. You can have it. You can keep it still. As the investigation proceeds, the tally of the value of stolen goods creeps up and up.

And, you know, they don't have an exact amount. But it finally stands at a staggering 60 million pounds. For just a couple boxes? For the 121 boxes. Oh, yeah.

But still. And that's what people are reporting. Because someone would be like, oh, that necklace was totally worth a thousand. Yeah, that's true. You know, I get, I'm sure a lot of stuff was insured, right.

And then, or priceless beyond totally naming. Also, did we hear from someone a listener saying that you can't put cash? Or is that just probably in the States? You can't put cash in a safe deposit box.

“Oh, is that remember hearing someone write it right in?”

Everyone about your safe deposit box experiences. We always want those. bankers get involved in this show for once. What did you see? So it's not clear what mix of assets cash.

It could be precious stones.

Gold securities made up this 60 million pounds.

But in today's US dollars, it would be worth about. And you have to do the conversion, too. So that's going to really, really. Can you just give me a hint? Are they usually above us or this number is way above us?

Oh, okay. Then should I just go for 110 million pounds? 289 million. You had the right idea, but yes. But not just not high enough.

Yeah. 229 million dollars. At the time of the investigation, though, the total is thought to be closer to 40 million pounds and in court, it's put at between two and 20 million pounds. There's just no way to know.

But even with the like low estimate, it makes the theft the largest in UK history. Wow. Right. I'm so jealous of after they got away from that safety deposit store. Oh, just sitting on the ground.

First of all. First of all. Yes, but it's like, did they rent a really nice hotel room? Yes. But no, because they would see all those 100 security deposit.

No, they didn't steal the boxes. They cracked them open. And took the stuff. And just, you know, so they went in with all their double bags. Jason state this time.

Oh, that we both have. For you listening at home and not watching on Netflix. Karen, I just threw both at the same time. Imagineary bundles of fucking treasure over our shoulder. But then like, dump it on a thing and then just start going.

What did we kind of see that on Instagram? I'm sure it's on TikTok too. There's like a chick who like gets a bag full of silver things that are about to be melted down for like, you know, silver production. And it's all these antique things. And it's almost like she's doing treasure hunting at the junk shop.

Yes. Buy a bag of silver. And it's all these little like antique lighters, old spoons, old like pieces of jewelry. Just treasure.

Because you need to make more, I guess.

“I don't know if they melt that shit down all the time.”

Like gold in the silver. It's been to us. Yes, it's safe here. At my favorite murder of Gmail. It's safe.

Send your, it's safe. You're safe. You're safe. You're safe to pause the bottom of the screen. I'm just reflecting and talking about the extreme greed in me.

Because there is this like, it's that idea of like, it feels like antique's roadshow times a thousand. I don't even think it's free there because I don't even need to keep it. Oh, that's true. I don't even see it.

Exactly. Yeah, I just want to see what it is. Keep one or two pieces. That's good. That's good.

We'll be in my pocket. Sure. Right. But in other words, I just want to look at it and read the letters. And know the secret.

Yes. Yes. We're on the same page. Okay, great. I'm so glad we're not disagreeing about those.

In the Irish Independent, Brian Campbell writes quote, as well as cash and diamonds. There were priceless pictures and peaks. Heroine and cocaine. Yeah.

And he says actor George Hamilton lost 38,000 pounds. From his box. What's Hamilton doing without that money in there? It's all sun tan like his self-tanner and then still in the quote.

Well, a member of the Saudi royal family lost gems and cash worth a quarter of a million.

“Imagine being that wealthy, you must have many safe deposit boxes.”

That's a way to like spread it out. And little Heidi holes. Totally. That's right. Every time you take a trip, you're like, well, we're here to see Hamilton.

But I guess I'll go stick some of my riches and see George Hamilton. Email us and let us know how this affected you. What was in your dissapointment box is our only chance. Yes. Please, George Hamilton.

I've watched you on television since I was five years old. Yeah. I've always been a fan. Although I'm not a tan person. I support you and your white suits and your tan skin.

Looks great. You're so handsome. Truly have a time. Please tell us what is in your suit. There's got to be a great niece murder, you know.

I have George Hamilton. I feel like we got him everywhere. Michelle, tell your uncle. Tell your great uncle. Trust me.

These girls need to know. Thank you. My favorite murder at Gmail. Or just call us. Still in the quote.

The family of jewelry magnate.

Aldernon Asprey, lost a million.

And a Greek shipping tycoon lost his precious rubies and diamonds. Russian actress Le Mille Romanova claimed her paper proving her descent from the stars had gone missing. Mine too. Same.

I was just trying to get a table. And my certificate. Because they give out certificates? Yes. Yes.

Oh, I guess birth certificate. Oh, right. That would make sense. Not high school. Not something like this.

Our sign. Yeah. Mila, you're in. Checkmate. Am I related to your check?

Yes. No, maybe. What's the date today? I have to date. Yeah.

Oh, if you were asking. How good the acting is. That was great. I dropped into reality. There are some rumors that were out of the quote.

There are some rules that royals are among the victims, including rumors of Prince Charles and Princess Diana being among the victims. But again, this place has only been in business for a year. So it's hard to tell. The examination of the crime scene takes eight days, but there's a stroke of luck.

It looks like one of the thieves. Well, he was fucking hacking at those steel and shit. Must have smashed his hand. And so there's a bloody fingerprint left at the scene. And this is the one thing.

It gives it all away your fucked. If it wasn't for those meddling kids, I would have gotten away with him. Truly. Kind of great.

“That's like how about your more delicate next time, right?”

It's a safety deposit box. Kind of on you. So there are databases of fingerprints, of course. But there's no automated system to compare them.

So basically this print has to like be visually compare.

The fact that they had to do that way back when is bananas. Wild. Honestly, they find a hit off the inner pool fingerprint database. The print belongs to a 34 year old man named Felario V. Shea. Super Italian.

You love him. He's wanted for several major crimes in Italy. Take a look. Felario. Just from if he didn't have the unembrow.

Would you? That's literally exactly what my eyebrows look like in the disc's grade A. B. Yes. Look at that head of hair. And also, this is going to be one of the most withholding yet glossy and in your life

men. It's quite a combination. Totally. He knows where to like drop a nice good girl every now and then. You know what?

You're a fucking feminist. He's like, he loves a feminist. He loves a bossy lady. He loves people that remind him of his mother. Yeah.

And he's like, I'm not going to go around robbing individual people. I'm just going to save it up, make a plan, and then smash a bunch of shit at the safety deposit box stores. This guy, he's your like bad boy. So he'd been born to well to do parents in Italy.

His father's lawyer. His mother owns a boutique. What? Just that he's rich. Yeah.

He's rich. He'd gone to university in Rome and studied philosophy. Wow. But had fallen in with a neo-fascist gang.

And this had eventually segwayed into a life of crime. It doesn't seem like there's any political motive. It was a, that was just a fleeting fancy. Yeah. Just fancy.

Falling into fascism is much, much easier than a lot of people. Thanks. It's not from the lot. Is this your like warning to everyone? To you.

He'd been convicted of at least 15 robberies in Italy, but had fled the country. And he's known for being a playboy, of course. He dresses flashily, he's into flashy cars, and he's also known for being a womanizer. But you could change him, I bet. I will.

Once I get my hands on his safety deposit boxes, I'm just using him.

“That's how you, that's how you tame the wild beast.”

There is a character. Oh. Yes. Oh, yes. The independence James Delrimple writes, quote, the Italian master criminal was an inept

blender. Oh.

And then almost always under the influence of cocaine.

He was wanted for at least 57 major crimes throughout Europe. And with later admit to five armed robberies in England prior to the night's bridge job. How's he the blender if he's getting away with 50 robberies? I know he did it.

He's not getting away with it. Well, they're not arresting him. We're just not defending this neo-fascist philosophy. Let me romance. Rich guy.

So, once the police know Valeria was involved, they can put together a list of known associates. And at the same time, they start tracking down a white getaway then. They learn that over the course of the heist the thieves had put up a sign on the security deposits front door saying that the business had to close unexpectedly.

That's all it takes. Due to heist. Back from lunch. At noon or whatever. Heist over at 2 p.m.

They also learned that at least some of the thieves had worn some kind of maintenance uniform in order to look like workmen. Always carry a ladder with you. You can get an anywhere. We always say that.

A nice 12 foot ladder. Get you anywhere. Get anywhere.

“And bestieators figure out that the three accomplices who were on the scene with Valeria”

are David Poole, Stephen Man, and Peter O'Donna Hugh.

The only one who looks like someone that I would cast is Stephen Man. Stephen Man. Who is that? It's the guy from the bear. It's like.

He's also having events. Evan Moss backpack. Yeah. Girls. And from the bear.

It's so uncanny. It's so good. Like has the sleepy look. Yeah. And then there's two other dudes.

Okay. So here's David Poole. Let's see who would play him. Oh, I have no idea. That just looks like such a classic.

Giamats. You're not going to. Oh, Giamats. I mean come on.

And then we've got Peter O'Donna Hugh.

Oh, so he's in like flock of fucking seagulls for some shit. Peter O'Donna Hugh. It's like you're weird. Articles. And we're like, can you swear normal shirt?

There's going to be people there that I know. Like that hair. Yeah. You cut it to go that way. Or is it just the 80s?

Like blow it that way. Well, it also just kind of like if we're trying to rub this security. It's a safe deposit box store. How about we're low key this time. And then you can do your hair expressions later on at the club.

Save it for the club. Peter. Okay. So all of them are known to Scotland yard, but none of them are part of the regular circle of thieves that usually carry out the most daring and skillful highs.

Like this is ragduck. And the weeks following the highs, these three are all still going to their regular bars and clubs. Oh, God. I take me there in the 80s. Hmm.

Well, Valeria seems to be gone. But a month passes. And in that time, investigators find out that immediately after the robbery, Valeria had bought a black Ferrari Testerosa. Yes.

You're favorite. Immediately by a Ferrari if you rub something. It's such a good idea. It's so low key. It's exactly what you should do.

But again, someone else's money. Why are our customers with someone else's money?

“I think there's a vibe to it, too, of like get this off my hand.”

Totally. It's like hot and crazy. Yeah. So just like I needed to immediately transfer to why I did this, which is to have this car. Yes.

But they can't seem to actually find Valeria or the car. They believe he had left the country with a woman. Don't catch Ellis. Name Pamela C. Marks. So this woman comes into the picture.

Now, there is like no information about her online here. Then the photos aren't great either, but she's fucking gorgeous. Pamela. She's like, oops. She's got LA looks here.

Doesn't she look like a California girl who just got tangled up with the wrong? Yes. She was like, I was on my semester abroad. Yes. And I left my crimping iron at home.

My mistake. And that left me exposed to the elements and in Italian like him. She's got an oops on her face. So hard. So it looks like the two of them flew to Israel to sell some of the stolen goods to an established fence.

Can I, I'm so sorry. I will stop talking after this. Don't stop. Them flying to Israel makes me go, did they find World War II? Right.

That's the thing. I didn't even think taking it back to like this is supposed to be yours. Yes. And here's proof.

That would make them the good guy. I know. What if they're the bad good guys? My favorite thing. Oh my god.

I think about that. Or it's just crap there. Or so. Or it's just crap there. Or it's just crap there.

Or it's just crap there. Or it's just crap there. We don't know.

“And then they plan to go to Columbia to set up a brand new life.”

So police know that prior to the robbery. Valeria had been staying at this hotel doesn't exist anymore. Unfortunately, it definitely looked it up. It's now called this little hide park hotel. So shout out.

But it's across the park from night's bridge. So it's like clear. He fucking did it. Yeah. And they keep dropping by this hotel for about a month after the robbery.

Hoping that Valeria will check back in. That they find out that the Ferrari has been spotted in the area. They drove it to Israel. They drove it to Israel and drove back. But investigators have learned another very important detail in the intervening months.

While they're monitoring Valeria, they pull phone records. His phone records. And they realized that the fence in Israel. A man named Israel Pinkus. Oh, you know.

Had place several phone calls from his office directly to the security center in the weeks after the robbery. So it's looking very much like our original victim. The guy who owns the security deposit box store. Or whatever. Maybe has something to do with it.

And maybe was in on it the whole time. Inside job. Inside job. His plan had been to get an insurance payout and to get a cut of the stolen goods.

“That's why he opened the whole safety deposit box store in the first place.”

Probably. And then also like the them knowing what color to look for. That had the boxes that had like stuff in it. He went through. And yeah.

Oh, yeah. Well, that's in no way in the spirit of safety deposit boxes. Now, you can't you're the holder of the trust of those people. Yeah. 100%.

I hope he hears me. Investigators had also learned that our girl Pamela Seemarks, who was dating our rich, rich, bank robber of Alaria, had previously been dating parvets. The guy who owns the shop. Oh, my.

Some time around the time of the robbery. She had started dating Alaria instead. And it seems like she met through like just dropped one for the other. Yeah, you know. I just want more information.

And there isn't any like that love triangle. And then like in on this fucking heist together. Yeah, exactly how long was the breakup between there was it. I don't think there was a breakup. Like there was no between one to the other.

Yeah. Like dump this guy.

“What if it was something beautiful where it was like Valario was like, you know what?”

You're meant for him. Yeah. Or vice versa.

You know what man always do.

You know, man always thinks fucking rationally and straight for others. Yeah. So they believe that Valario and Pamela had returned to London real quick on their way to Colombia to get the Ferrari to ship it to Colombia. One last stop, you know.

Like they don't have fucking sports cars in Colombia. Yeah. Yeah. Why would they have anything else to do it then? You have so much money to send someone else to do it.

Yes. On August 11th, investigators see Valario leaving the hotel and getting into the Ferrari. The fucking Ferrari that everyone knows about and they follow him along. The northern boundary of Hyde Park to marble arch. We're police then surround the car and order him out inside the Ferrari.

Police find close to 2 million pounds in cash and jewelry. Send it along. Put in nice cardboard box. Yes. As well as plane tickets.

It's the whole thing. Some of the jewelry had been specifically reported missing after the high. So he's got the fucking hot goods on. Hot goods on him. Row.

At first under questioning Valario admits to the robbery and actually admits to five other

robberies in London in the couple of years that he's been in the country. We don't want to know. Yeah. I don't want to know. But refuses to name any accomplices.

You know, according to some tellings of the story, police then tell Valario that they will assume Pamela, his fucking girlfriend had been the main accomplice and will charge her if he doesn't give everyone else up. threatening the woman he loves. Yep. And it works.

This is a hallmark movie. I know. Homework. Yeah. This gets Valario to talk and the whole story comes out.

According to other tellings of the story, one of Valario's associates who helped with the robbery Stephen Man had cracked under interrogation and also gave up everyone else including Parvaz, the guy who owns the shop. Stephen Man the one with the haircut. That was Peter.

Stephen Man is from the bear. Yeah, from the bear. He gives everyone up. Maybe he's got like a monologue. You know, they're screaming.

They're smoking.

It's going to be amazing.

So the story comes together like this. Valario had met Parvaz months before the robbery and it actually become a client using one of the saved deposit boxes himself. Parvaz had allowed him to rent the box without actually putting his name on the registry

And he had then over time learned that the security cameras at the building didn't work.

And Parvaz was generally lacks about the rules that other criminals like. And that other criminals likely left their spoils in the deposit box. So he was chill with thieves and criminals. And so they put their shit in there. And then a thief and criminal came and took all the thieves and criminal stuff.

That's a dangerous game. You can't be Lucy Garcia with the now saved you deposit boxes.

“That's why we keep them at banks and don't go indie.”

Right. And shockingly, Parvaz was struggling to keep the business afloat despite that's weird. This is business plan and business model. What if you leave your business card in the fall booth? Maybe that would help.

Over time, he figures out that Parvaz would be amiable to the scheme and condvinces him to be involved. It seems like both Parvaz and Velario were party loving guys in their 30s who at wealthy parents. So it's possible they ran and connected circles. And at some point along the way, Velario meets Pamela and steals her away. Fuck.

They're all like old friends. Maybe. Maybe. Depends on how you write it. During this phase of the investigation, police learned that many things had gone wrong on the day of the robbery.

They were issues with the radio communication and with where the various getaway cars had been parked. Can you imagine walking out with it? Fuck man. What going out with an orange cone? This is ours.

This is ours. He's coming back into. It's a big worry. This, this key. This is back in the oven, my shoulder.

Nothing. Down the block. It's just cat. Three more blocks. Come on.

“At one point, unable to communicate with the man posted outside the building.”

Velario had emerged from the building and had run straight into several police officers. They were looking for a missing child and just moved on to screened and screamed. She's in the bag.

Investigators learned one more piece of information that never seems to be totally verified.

It seems that Velario's father, the lawyer, had been in London at the time of the robbery and some believe he knew about it. But there's no way to know. You wouldn't play your dad in. If you stupid. If your dad's a lawyer, you're my little guardian.

Yeah. My dad. Yes. No. He wants nothing to do with your shenanigans, even embarrassing the family for years.

For real. He's told you time and again. Yeah. Look at your brother. Why, he's thriving.

Why can't you be like your brother. So sorry. You're telling me that I loaned you that money. So you could open a safety deposit box store. And it was in since here.

You didn't really care. That wasn't your dream. No.

How seriously the family takes safe deposit boxes.

Okay. So the case goes to trial around the end of 1988. And everyone has found guilty. I was given the harshest sentence at 22 years. Parvaz is sentenced to 18 years.

These associates are all sentenced to around 10 years. Pamela Seemarks is given an 18 month suspended sentence for her knowledge of the robbery. Poor girl. Well, Larry. I don't know why I wanted her to be the hero.

Yeah. She just kind of the hang out. Yeah. Yeah. The hang out girl.

It sounds like it's like bad decisions. Or she loves Valeria. She loves that man. Sure. And she'll do anything for his Ferrari.

Well, Larry of serves the beginning of his sentence at Parvaz Prison on the Isle of White. And while he's there, he wears a t-shirt that says I love night's bridge. And as a clown's face on it with dollar signs for eyes. That's so punk rock. Wait.

Well, you described it again. He wears a t-shirt that says I love night's bridge. And it has a clown's face on it with dollar signs for eyes. That's really. Is he Banksy?

That's crazy. And then in 1998, she was extradited to Italy under the Treaty of Straussbore. Your favorite treaty. It's one of the best ones. Yeah.

Which was one of several big developments around solidifying the EU at the time. So he's then in prison in Pascara. Even there. Pascara's gorgeous. There's really good fresh seafood on the Adriatic coast.

Yeah. But shortly after that, he has put in a program that lets him leave the prison. Go to work every day. Come back home. Have a couple hours of sleep at night in the prison.

Wow, he gets a job. That's not prison at all. No. That's just having an apartment in the shape of the prison. He gets a job with a publisher and an April 2000 when Valeria was about 45 years old.

And now it's on his usual day release. He and an accomplice are pursued by police. They see that maybe one of his day jobs was planning a fucking. Another heist. What, really?

“Yeah, so if I think he and his accomplice have been planning to either rob a bank or kidnapped”

a member of a high profile of Italian family. There's a brief chase and then there's a shootout and Valeria dies in the shootout. They kill him. Wow. I looked at Pamela.

All I could find was a note that says she retreated to private life as a housewife in the home Counties avoiding any further public spotlight. Yeah. That would make sense. Yeah.

She's someone's mum. She's a lady standing in the back of the room at the talent show. And she's like, if you don't even know. No fucking clue what I've seen. This is why you ask your grandma.

Fucking Thanksgiving or whatever the equivalent is. Boxing day grandma. Me, mom. Did you ever have an Italian lover that was served? Bencropbert.

Yes. Tell us and then write it at my favorite murder at Jivell. Right. Now. The neurotrophics are working.

Well, they've got 10 million pounds was ever recovered from the stolen safe.

So did Pamela actually run off with more. I mean, a one would hope. I hope. What if she has a safe deposit box? She dies her granddaughter.

Great. This match it open. I was going to say what if she, what if she, because she's the one person that doesn't buy for her. She's the one person that doesn't immediately go on a spend.

Yeah. She truly got away with it. She keeps those rubies in a special place in her closet. Yeah.

“This is why you have to go through your grandparents' closets.”

She opens her closet. And she's got her rubies on a little shelf. And then little photo and a little painting of just the unibrow. Because no one can know. It's her secret.

She dreams of safe deposit box. She's every night. Only about 10 million pounds was ever recovered from the stolen safe deposit boxes.

Around 12 box owners have never come forward at all.

For an older one. Those are the ones we want the most. Perms. What are you doing? And that is the story of the night's bridge security deposit heist.

I promise to never drink a venti frappuccino again. Same with whatever I fucking did. God, that was fun. Math pouch. Clearly.

What did they put in our stuff? That was great. That was fun. Thank you. That was really good.

Fun times. And your skin looks amazing. What? It looks amazing right now. Thank you.

63 days. Alcohol free. Incredible. It looks great. Thank you.

Wow. Yeah. So nice to hear. It's fun to have fun.

But it's even better when you look right.

Absolutely. It's hard. We've had to stare at each other for 10 years. It's not easy. Can you do me a favor?

Fuck your eyebrows. I will. Please get rid of that fucking gym hair. Well, good job. Good job.

What we just did is what podcasting is. Yeah. We're seeing people to listen to us. Totally. Basically.

Don't listen to any of these newfound podcasts. We're about to talk about, you know, real shit interviewing celebrities. That's not radio. That's for others. Exactly.

That's talk show. This is the, this is the one. This is the, your two friends amped up on a chemical. We're not going to talk about which was just or does. Really stressing through life.

It's just really powering through life.

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