Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 105: Proclensity

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Hello, and welcome to rewind with Karen and Georgia. That's right, this is the show where we look back on our old episodes from 2018 with all new insights and case updates and skin care routines. Today we're rewinding to episode very special episode 105 legendary, which we named Proclensity.

I don't know, we're really on one back then. We do not have to rename this one, I mean, we'll try, but this was one of my favorite titles ever. This episode originally came out on January 25th, 2018. Oh, we were babies.

Let's listen to the intro of episode 105 Proclensity.

[Music] Hello. Good morning. Good morning and welcome. To your favorite morning talk show.

My favorite murder. The morning talk show that screams in your face to wake you up down. Get down, get up, get down, get back down, get back up again, and you're like, "What, what do they want for me?" We want just a couple crunches.

Easy. Yeah. Simple. Just to wake you up. Fun.

Fun and easy. Get the black going. Yeah. Burpees? Get the fucking start burping.

[Laughing]

“What if burpees were not an exercise, but just belching?”

I would be a fucking Olympian. You absolutely would. You'd be internationally known. You're burpees? The ones where you jump up and go down and push up and jump up.

Because I was thinking of herkies, which is a cheerleading jump. Yeah. Where you kind of look like a check, return your body into like a check mark. Check. And I was going to be like, "I'm just going to work."

It's like, "Oh, and you mean your legs go forward?" Check. One leg has straight out. And then the other leg comes up in. Your knee comes to your chest.

Don't say that. That's just back problems for your life. It's like this, but in the air. Okay. Take it from me.

Everyone in home. I'm whipped in the air. She just showed me one in the middle of the living room. Also, what am I talking about? I don't fucking know what a herkie is.

You're cheerleading? It's like I'm trying to get people to email us about things. I wasn't cheerleader by the way. I was a song leader during your year of high school. Oh my god.

Those were the ones that did routine. Well, we were a small school, so we only had a certain amount of people. Anyway, but you know, we did dance routine. Sure. Janet Jackson's control.

It's all about control. It's all about control. That's the only one I remember. Just that we had gloves that were white on the outside and blue on the outside. You're like blowing my mind.

So then you do a lot of this and you just do it. Like a clown. Like a clown. Like a clown. Like a mine.

Like. Just like. Like. Oh, I knew.

“This is what it was like. It's like blue.”

That's right. Then change it up. And then change it up. Yeah. Five, six, seven, eight.

And. Uh-huh. And then this. This is my favorite. Mer.

Mer.

Put your gloves up by your face.

Are they wider? Are they blue? Okay. This is one of my favorite parts about having this podcast. Is I get random texts from my beautiful friends who listen to it.

It's time to listen to it. Oh, wow. But they're. They sometimes can be months behind. So the other day, my beautiful friend Sam Pancake.

That's his real name. Who is who plays Dorothy in the live golden girls that I told you about. And love so much. I have the mug. Thank you for being a kind.

But you've got me. It's like Cassita Del Campo. They started a new run of it. It's amazing. You really should go.

But he sent me a text and all it said was fingers and faces. And it made me laugh. So. Fingers with faces. The best beauty shop name.

The best voice beauty shop name of all time ever heard of. Just cut to the basics. Fingers and faces from the live or land. Don't show. But.

I wouldn't mind the live. I don't show. And I'm sitting there reading my whatever. One of us is reading a murder and I just see in the audience. Whatever fucking production had happened the night before.

Maybe it was who could it have been. Let's say someone like not to be. Not too small but so you've heard of a maybe. Let's see. It could have been.

You know, it could have been at like. Who's the you might as well be walking on the sun. Smash. Smash. Thank you.

Maybe it's smash. You might as well be walking on the sun. For all the good it'll do you you might as well. Might as well. One.

Sad fucking confetti piece that had been sitting there since the night before. Slowly falls into this lovely lady's laugh in the front row. That's right. I was just like, it's like she was blessed or she's dead. I don't know.

I mean, it could have been the death confetti. It could have been the death confetti. It could have been so many things. Doddy. What's Doddy arranging papers upstairs?

Doddy is digging. Uh, an inanimate object. Gotty. You go for it. You've been sent in Terry all day.

The joy. Okay. The joy of kittens. The joy of kittens.

“That's the illustrated book you need to be reading.”

Do you know I have the joy of sex? I had an old copy. I don't know how to use books or I was like, well, I'm absolutely buying this. Does anybody write me? I don't know.

Do they write me?

I mean, that's what that's the first thing I'll look for.

It's like somebody folded up a piece of paper and stuck it inside. So like, try this. Try this. With Gary. Maybe Gary will love you.

Ask Gary to please do this. All I know is that we got me and my friend Katie Neverker who lived on the street. She's the one whose family had llamas. And they had the old abandoned house on their property. Oh, yeah.

The bills in the walls. Yeah. I believe I'm almost positive. It was at her house that we looked through that book because her mom was also a nurse. Mm-hmm.

And it was so we were starting to look at it like who? Yeah. And the illustrations are so technical and like anatomical that we got bummed out very quickly. They were not interesting. Maybe we should just go swimming instead.

It's like, and I said this last week, I talked about reductress and their hilarious t-shirts. But they have one that's like, you know, and you see like a cow and it shows you the cuts of beef. Yeah. This one that's of a giant eye and it says the cuts of a giant eye. No.

No. It's just like the cuts. It's just in that style. That's hilarious. I just saw one of theirs on Twitter and it said, girl who promised not to tell anybody.

Only told two people. And then it's, the picture is so funny. It's a girl who's faces right next to a bunch of flowers like she's all smiling. Yeah. That's me.

So that's me. What about bitch? This bitch brought loose leaf tea to a fucking food donation. It's just like some, you can tell this bitch is like some hippie bitch. It doesn't work makeup because she's gorgeous.

No. Yeah. This bitch. Luce leaf tea. What about where did I come from?

Do you remember that book? Oh yeah. Dude. who looks like George Cassanza and his wife actually looks like George Cassanza's parents. And it's showing them having a baby and my mind was blown. Well what about the part there is a part where they're explaining

to their child about sex and it's like he they basically say they rub on each other really.

Yes or something and I just remember staring Steven's gonna have a nurse. Do you want kids? They're in sex, Steven. It's staring. Steven said what that is. Well I'll tell you it's one of those fat little cartoons rub against each other. It was very like

“I remember staring at it and just be like it can't be this. Yeah sex isn't just friction, right?”

It can't be this. Just this little man. Oh, it was very confusing. It's confusing time. The 80s.

and how funny it is but you still can't get rid of the things you thought you knew. So it is still a little that. And the thing I thought I knew is God can see me and it's wrong. God can see you but he's undo it. Well I'm sorry. Blast for me. Is that what they're teaching? It's simple. God damn it. Shit. Well going to hell. Is there hell? I'm going there. You don't think there's hell. Goodbye. Goodbye. Oh, there's something. Bye, hell. Goodbye, hell. See you. Do this as hell.

Peace out. Motherfucker. What do you have this week? Let's see. Besides friction. Friction. Sex. So it's describing sex cartoons from the 70s. Well this is a great email we got. Hi, ladies. This is from Aaron. Hi, ladies. I was at the second Belbo theater show back in October. That's San Diego. And what's happy to get a chance to listen to that first show that was recently posted. Oh, it's not fun. Of course, I do immediately Google the Betty Broderk murder house.

It's right down the street for me and up for sale. Some great reel that has been too,

“quote, a home rich in history. Shut up. As you have to tell, right? It says have two point five”

million dollars lying around. Two point five million dollars live in San Diego house. Yeah. And then

she, she listed it, I could say the address, right? Because it's an empty house. Yeah. I mean, like, or just say what's street it's on. It's on Cyprus Avenue. Oh, we're Van Morrison lives. That's a good cut. Yeah. Wow. That's kind of hilarious. Would you move into a place like murders that happened there? Would you care? Like, would you take have paws and ask your girlfriends over drinks or like, would you be cool with it? I think it just depends on the house. Like, if it,

I think you'd have, I would have to go in and like, feel it out. But if it was some really old house, yeah, I don't know. I'd say like in the 80s or 90s even, there was a murder even with 2000s, sort of long. I want it. You know what? I'm being Cavalier right now because I want to say I would. But I just thought of the first night in that house. And I would just be out of my mind. You're like, I would be fine, but I bet I wouldn't. I want you to hurt. Yeah. But I don't care.

I don't hear that. Do you? I mean, but if you alone in the house, I mean, anything. I feel like this would be more creeped out than I would. And I would pretend that I was saying, you know, to the house on his behalf, but really, because I was freaked out just that I couldn't

“admit it because they were murder podcasts. Yes, that's right. You have to use him as a human shield.”

And you can always. And he can use me. That's right. When he came to wrestling and can't talk about it.

Right. He's really painted himself into a wrestling corner. He asked love it for the rest of his life. He, there is no fucking doubt in my mind that that person vents April the love of my life. What love wrestling for the rest of his life is going to two shows in the next two days. Is he really? Yeah. He's, there's no worry. You know what's really hilarious? So many people that I follow on Twitter love wrestling that I, I feel like I have a good historical back

log knowledge of, I mean, people post stuff. You should start your own wrestling podcast. Yeah, you know what I will. I'm going to call it my favorite wrestling podcast. Oh, I was going to say that this podcast, I really like that. There's this new podcast. It's like all the ragey kind of like cereal, the new one. Yes, called Atlanta Monster. Oh, have you done it yet? No. Okay. It's so it's pain Lindsay who did up in vanish.

Definitely, but it's which is a really good one that was solved while he was doing the podcast. Right. Right. Right. The judge, the girl, the woman in Georgia disappeared. Yes. So he's doing this

new one called Atlanta Monster. And it's about as murder that you and I have never done for some

reason. Atlanta child killer. Yeah. Okay. Here's where I am. I wanted to do that one for so long. It is so fucking involved. It is. And here's, okay, I love that. I mean, not love, but I am fascinated by that one because it's really old. Yeah. That that's like one of the earliest, like Bill Curtis 79 through 81 this dude killed and the number ranges, of course. But the number that they have is 22 child murders. Yes, children in in fucking three years. But they said,

God, him almost entirely on fiber evidence. Yeah. And the way they caught him in the second episode, I won't say what it is. So it's an episode, I could just so annoying because I want to fucking binge the shit. But the story is so crazy. And of course, there's some because the killer way Williams is black. All the kids who were killed were black. And they were from this poor neighborhood.

“And so there's a ton of race bullshit in it, which is really important. And I and pain Williams”

is interviewing people who were involved. So it's not like him. This white dude telling the story. It's like he's interviewing people who were there. So it's just letting them tell the story. He's letting them tell the story. Which is kind of a big part of it because also, you know,

white guy because that's that was like the standard of their word. I don't think at that point,

“they're had been very many black serial killers. Right. If any, also it was always the profile”

was always young man white man in his life. And the black lady was freaking out that it was

Ku Klux Klan that it was racially based with like, you know, that they were taking their kids as so nobody, nobody knew. Right. But as we now know, and they say in the podcast, you know, killers don't really kill outside of their race. So we know that now. But I'm really excited to keep listening. I mean, it's that thing is so it's there's so many levels to it. The thing that's amazing, though, is like, the idea that they got him on tiny, tiny fiber. Yeah, well none of that has ever moved.

Yeah. I mean, maybe it has, or maybe he's looking into it and something else come up. But no, no, I think that's happening. But we're only an episode two right now. Or so, I was able to be three. And also the red flag, have you ever gotten or already gotten to this thing of like, did he had this a music studio for children to come and record in? And it was like, no, we started sound out who the person is. Oh, like, in episode two, I'm on right now. We don't

know anything. Those sounds things are happening. I'm going to join you. Beca, oh, I was just going to say, I trust you now because I went home after our last recording and watched the end of the

“fucking world on Netflix. It's such a good, you have to watch it. It's everything Georgia said it was”

and more. I binge did all at once. I forgot to mention that thing. So I was saying West Anderson, Harold and mod, my friend Dommer almost. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's just so gorgeous. It's really well done. It's just those brits. They know how to do some storytelling. It's not here to write humor. Yes.

Oh, it's so good. But those kids are such good actors. Amazing. Such a big. I never want to watch

teens do anything in those teens. We're, we're the exception. It's such a good show. Yeah, watch it. The end of the fucking world. Um, I see that kid whose dad was like my son's missing and the cops were like, he's probably run away. And then I was like, fuck that shit and hired a fucking helicopter and found his kids crashed in a car in a ravine. No, live 30 hours later. Shit. So like a couple of his kids were trapped in the nose just his son by himself. Yeah.

Oh, my god. And then helicopter, search, search, found the kid crashed in a fucking ravine still. I threw an hours later. He's like, holy shit. This kid's not a fucking runaway. I thought you were going to mention the, um, a life still alive. The kid was found alive. Yes. He's he survived. Yeah. I thought you were going to talk about the three kids that escaped the house in Riverside County, Jesus. That were 12 like children between the ages of nine and 27

chained to a wall. Like 14 kids. Yes. And they're also initiated. They couldn't tell how old they were. In Riverside. And also the, um, kid, my friend Karen Anderson's the one who told me to look at it. And she goes, the data is so upsetting. It looks like Jeff Tannos and Dumbledore and he totally has the weirdest things like page boy haircut. It's very disturbed. The parents look very problematic. Yeah. Then and have proven to be right. There's poor children like to be able to still

imprison a 27 year old means you've had some fucking life long, uh, conditioning of this poor kid. And we're back. God. I was into her keys and all of those things that ended up becoming

a part of the, of the life show. Yeah. I could do it. I had never known what a, what it was,

'cause I wasn't, 'cause I was smoking in the, in the smoking tree. That's right. Instead of being a cheerleader. You were up, speak or free-gring. And you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're so funny. I was thinking of recently it's speaking of the song routines. I have to tell you this podcast ever that like when I was like 10, my tap dance routine in front of all the parents that year and the auditorium, the teacher picked the song, 'Man-eater'. Was it you by, no, I was like,

you know, my classmate is like these like, leotards on that had like, you know, rhinestones and shit. And just he's like skinny fucking pre-teen kids doing man-eater tap down. So sexy. So sexy. She's a man-eater. No, she's not. No, no, she's a, she's a, she's a, she's a crazy, reaver-along. She's a child with a

“camel toe. What are you fucking talking about? Do you remember that show where the one piece of”

confetti came down? Oh, yes, God, it's beautiful moments. That was at the hard rock, right? I think so. I think so. I mean, that's the weird thing, too, is like these old episodes where it's just like these polaroids of memory moments. Yeah. Over a decade. Memory moments. Let's name this episode,

the Atlanta child murders. Yeah, because painlens he had done at Atlanta monster. The podcast about it. Yeah, it was so good. I highly recommend it, still. It makes me then think of, sorry, to skip around, but because I think we're pre-mine hunter. Oh, pre-mine hunter, which was the way they dealt with the

“Atlanta child murders. Oh, my God. Oh, I do. You have to watch it. It's, it's so good.”

You place the guy that they end up. It's not an actor. I'd know off hand. But the women who play the mothers, where they're trying to get the fucking cops to listen, it is like, it goes from that kind of thing where as it often does in this business genre where it's like, they're going and interviewing the different serial killers and you're like, I know who that is. And then it turns into this thing where the mothers are like, you do not listen. Right. We tried to tell you, like, it's not this guy and

it's going to keep happening. That's just completely chilling. You have to watch that season. Um, all right. Should we get into your story? Yes. Please, okay. This is Karen's story about the death of Christa Worthington. Hi. I'm Chris Fairbake. And I'm Karen Calgarif. We host do need a ride. The mobile comedy podcast that answers the question, what does it sound like when we drive

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You're first this week? I guess I am. Yeah. Is that correct? Yeah. You're first this week. Okay. Okay. So

I have been on my couch. I sprained my ankle on Sunday. Tell everyone, I saw the bruise. It's fucked up. It's um, I rolled my ankle. I've already sprained both my ankle twice. It's not. I don't find talking about medical problems. Interesting at all, but this was kind of great because I was walking my dogs with my friend on. He said, hey, didn't, did they redo that house? I look over my shoulder. Like, it's a genoty commercial. Walking the dog one direction, but looking backward.

And I'm like, hey, that house over there. And just step like on the edge of the cement, the cement meets the grass. Roll my ankle. Listen to what's snap. My friend, Dawn, it was behind me, said that it turned at a 90 degree angle. Oh. And then I went down. He said it looked like I looked like a stunt woman. I went like, I went down like hand hip leg. Yeah. Like in a perfect line. He really liked it. But um, it, I knew immediately that it was bad. Yeah.

And so I just got up and went in and kind of like couch. Goodbye. Yes. I elevated, I used whatever. So, um, tonight is the first time I've gone out and like driven. Oh, no. It was fine. If it's, if I keep it like, you know, wrapped and static, so you've had a long time to study. And you know, I'm really caught up in doing mental story. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right. I'm trying to talk about this. So I've been laying in front on the couch. No, I'm talking about that

as if you're in a dream. What? It's kind of a dream. Well, also, I do it anyway. What I realized is

“this framed ankle just made me go, you have to stop living like your ankle is framed.”

You have to stop it. So much your ankle is not framed. Start living. We've the house. Yeah. Go ahead and walk somewhere. Did you know what? I guarantee they'll be springing ankles in the future.

Well, you're going to be like, I wish I had lived my life outside of this. Yes. I always

would know that I'd be back here at some point. You enjoying a springed ankle. The couch is forever. You might as well get up and move around while you can. Can I feel like my body, because I'm so indignant and I'm so like defiance disorder based. Yeah. I feel like my body has to spray my ankle like every eight months just to be like up off the couch now or get you really sick to be like, wouldn't you love to not be here right now in the fucking couch? Stop living like

you're sick and all of your joints don't work. Okay. But since I was okay, there is a Netflix movie called Murder on the Cape. I don't know if you've seen it. It of course immediately came

up when it went on to Netflix and my suggestion. Netflix knows us. What's amazing about it?

those hallmark Christmas movies over Christmas because my sister kept putting them on as a joke

“and we'd watch them for real. And it was a one Christmas as for it is, right? Because it's you get”

like some hot chocolate, we're all sitting on the couch and then it's just make fun of you. It's bladder. Yeah. It's it's a guy in a huge sweater pretending he works at a Christmas tree farm.

Right. And it's always then it's like, oh, she's really smart and type A, but she had to come to

this small town to do something. Okay. So I see murder on the cape and I'm like, that doesn't look like an actual movie and it doesn't look good. And I'm like, and also I wonder which murder on which cape this is. It's checked all your boxes. Right. What's the thing? It hirked all your box and hirkeyed right into all my boxes. But so I looked it up online first before I actually didn't want to watch a cold. I don't want to waste my time. And the first thing that came up was an article on Decider,

“the website Decider called and the headline was murder on the cape is a bonkers crime story based”

on a true story. So they had already watched it and reviewed it. And we're like this thing is like the room basically. So I stopped reading that article because I didn't want to like in case I had some of the same thoughts. I want to say that I just read the headline and then the beginning

the description I was like, okay, I'm not plagiarizing this. Yes, the word bonkers is amazing.

Bonkers is my favorite one. Why is my use more? It's so funny. My friend Eric Dodorian on Twitter changed his name to Linda Cape bonkers and I laughed every time I see it. Okay. So this and I highly recommend that you do your substance of choice and that can be the Bible. It can be a glass of water. But do something to get yourself in the mood to accept what the television is giving you. You could pour a glass of water on the Bible. That could be your thing. And then later on fire.

“But what you should do is get some white wine or ginger and southern comfort.”

Okay. Yeah. How about some Malibu coconut liquor and a phanta? Okay. Lime. Okay. Got it. Fanta lime and some. And then a twist to lemon. What I mean, Karen's just talking about her deathbed wish. That's serious. That made me a grasshopper. I almost had when when the Hawaiian nuclear strike thing came to her. I mean, I'm not as well. It's really bad. Anyway, point being, I mean, I'll get it. Right? Yeah. I'm going to be back on that or off that wagon.

Second, I have the valid governmental reason. The minute it happens, I'm going to come over and be like,

hey, what you doing? Hey, there's one of those huge bottles of shampoo. Well, I'm not going to bring it. I'm going to let you because I don't want to enable you. Oh, you're just going to discover me. Like, hey, hi, just wanted to check in on you. And then you're going to be like, that's where I guess I have champagne too. It's going to be a champagne party. Okay. So murder on the cape, the made for Netflix movie is quite something. And I highly recommend you watch it. It is very

much like the room meets a, it's almost for me. I would actually say more. It's not so bad as the room. But there are definitely actors where you say, did you like acting before your friend decided to make this movie? Or is this something that was like, you wanted to do that this weekend along with your friend who decided to make this. There's a lot of people making big choices. Take in huge swings. Really going for it. You know, there's a lot I can, I could see in my mind's eye, these actors going,

hey, hey, Chuck, or whoever the director is, I'm really going to go for it this time, though, like this is what acting is, ready? Yeah. I'm going to kick my leg and do a dance for some reason that doesn't actually connect with what my character is doing in the scene. So that's cool. The lead guy, I feel like I saw somewhere that somebody in this movie was in a soap opera at some time. Oh, that makes sense. I didn't recognize anybody. Wow. And the story, the way the

murder on the cape story is told, is very much against the victim in my opinion. It's very much making her look like she tricked him in, like, and then I thought, oh, I should actually look this up and see if there's somebody that was in the real case that is connected with writing this movie, because it's just just median quality enough. So pretty much anyone could have written that.

it's like she tricked him into sleeping with her, and then she tricked him into getting her pregnant,

“and then she, and then like she tricked him into sleeping. Yeah, there's, it's a, it's a very”

problematic presentation. So then I looked up the actual story, because I'm like, that story sounds familiar, but it is not look familiar in murder on the cape. And granted, they opened it up by saying this is based on a true story, but I don't think they claim it is exact. Okay. So here's the real story. Okay. And then you can hear this story, process it, and the horror of it, then clear your palate, and then go back and watch that thing as its own separate thing. Pour your glass of water

on the Bible, and then go watch it. Click. Yeah. Turn that TV on. Okay. So this all takes place in a town called Turo Massachusetts, which I reminded myself just, it's like you're saying Turo,

“yeah. So it's Turo. Turo. Turo? T-R-U-R-O. I believe. Whatever. That's not it. Turo. That's not a word.”

The word is, I'm already mad at it. Okay. So it's 1997, and this is a tiny fishing village

basically at the very top of Cape Cod, and it's busy in the summer, obviously with vacationers,

but then in the winter, it's dead, and it's really cold. Except for all the fishermen and the families that live there, obviously. And a woman named Crystal Worthington moves there in 1997. She is a very successful at the time, 40-year-old fashion writer. She's written for L, Harper's, women's word daily, the New York Times. She's also co-authored books on fashion. She's a successful writer, and she had been writing internationally. She'd been doing stuff in Europe, and basically

“living a very high stress, kind of high fashion lifestyle. And so she wanted to get away from that”

and go up to the Cape. So her family, she came from a very prominent family and her family owned a lot of different houses and places in Turo. When she moved there, she moved into a pink bungalow that was right next to the Harbor Master's Shack. And a couple months later, she moved out of that into a larger house that her family owned, a really beautiful cottage. Yeah, it's, I mean, I, looking at these places, and there's a 48 hours, the, one of the

main ones I watched, just a 48 hours all about it, and they just keep showing clips of like a ship just kind of going around, like along the coastline, and like, you know, an icebreaker, it's just like awesome looking. However, two weeks till you board out of your fucking mind, I mean, 20 bucks. You know, you got to have your Netflix chart, got maybe like some crossword puzzle. You know, Wi-Fi is spotty out there. Yeah, that's true. That would

make you nuts. Right. You'd get, you'd be getting on that journey back into town a couple of

bunch of times. They're Jenny from Massachusetts. I've never been there before, so I couldn't tell you.

Jenny is a word. I learned from my New York friends. They jump onto it to take, it's like a little bus that drives strictly to like the Hampton's or something. Oh, from Manhattan, or some like summer, it's the summertime, Jenny. We go out to the beach. Okay. All right. So, on January 6, 2002, a 20 to five, in the afternoon, a guy named Tim Arnold, who is Christopher Nixon's neighbor on the other side of the woods, drops by her house to return a flashlight.

And inside, he finds her dead body. She's been stabbed. I'm a left side of the chest. And she's on the kitchen floor. Her two-year-old daughter, Eva, is there next to her, clutching her. So yeah, she's been with the body for a while. Tim grabs up at Eva and runs out, calls 911. Police come. They find that Chris has been stabbed through the chest. The knife, Mr. Heart,

it pierced her long and she bled out on the kitchen floor. This murder is the first murder

that Turo has seen in 30 years. Nothing happens in this tiny town anyway. Nothing like this. So, of course, everyone's freaking out. And, you know, they later on, the defense lawyer will claim that the EMTs were sloppy and compromised the crime scene. They did throw a blanket over Chris

DNA on her body that they ended up sending to the lab. So they knew that there was somebody else's

DNA on the body that could be a good lead. Unfortunately, the lab is insanely backed up. It was 1997. So this was like, you know, so they start talking to the people in Chris's life. They talked to Tim Arnold the neighbor. They found out he wasn't just her neighbor. He was also her ex-boyfriend. They dated for about a year. He says he has nothing to do with her death. Then, in talking to her friends, they find out that Eva's father is a married man who was born

“and raised intro. And his name is Tony Jacket. What the fuck? Why don't you keep getting these names?”

No, it does have two teas. But, I mean, that's right on par with Jimmy Buttons in terms of a noun name. Buttons, Jacket? There's an onion. I mean, it just is if this was writing, it would be lazy, but it's just how it happens. So it turns out Tony Jacket, he's lived a tour of all his life. I'm only getting a call on Tony Jacket the whole time. Any of six kids, he's married, but and this is in the 48 hours and by his own account, he saw Chris to when she moved into that

pink bungalow right by the Harbormaster shack because he was working there as the fishing warden. In the 48 hours, he calls himself the fishing warden. An article I found on abcnews.com referred to him and I'm not joking, as the shell fish constable.

“No, I don't know that writer for abcnews.com was bored and just being funny or just reading cartoons.”

It sounds like a cartoon or pitching an idea for SpongeBob Square Pants episode where the shell fish constable roles in the camera are the same, but if that's a cartoon, man, it totally is. In the movie, the Netflix film murder on the case. The character that plays Tony Jacket's character is very ashamed to be the shell fish constable and he was like think a contractor and he couldn't get work and so this was his way of like because they were they're you know having

financial put the family to financial problems. He has six kids. So he had to you know take the job. Anyway, as he's working as a shell fish constable, he sees Chris the beautiful, very you know, very fashionable, very you know all the pictures of her, she's just a gorgeous woman and he's immediately they immediately hit it off and are attracted to each other and she's like this high society he's just like gruffs my little kind of hot local probably. Yes he's very um he looks

like he should have been like a third string character in the soprano. He has like um big lips and

squinty eyes and like combed back hair. Very kind of like Mamba with Taliana. I can't explain it. Got it. And I'm not against it. I'll say that. Um not judge like get your skin or see constable or get your shell fish constable Italian P.C. Um okay. So she when they first get together Chris to tell Tony she can't have kids. She's been told she can't have kids. Um they have their affair for a year um they end up breaking up in the film murder on the cape. They make it look like she won't

leave him alone and is like always trying to be in his business and finding him at the grocery store and stuff where I'm like prove that. Yeah it seems like she had plenty of dudes in her life and it wasn't. And she knew that's perfect. This is Roman lettuce where else is she going to go? And it's a tiny yeah truly tiny town. Right. Um I run into my fucking acts at the grocery store and this is fucking Los Angeles. Maybe he's talking me. I actually don't run into my acts. I have never

run into anyone I didn't want to run into in this room. I swear and I what I have to knock on would

know. I would never say that out loud. I just want like open the nightmare door basically.

Next week's gonna be fun. I'm gonna talk about who you're in. Yeah yeah. I better start wearing so much mascara. Oh make up. Constant constant makeup. It'll be so different. Okay. Basically she comes to him and says I'm pregnant and it's your baby. And he's like you told me

“you couldn't have babies and then she's like well it's a miracle and that's why I'm keeping it.”

I don't care what you say and I don't you don't need to be a part of it. Yeah and he said in the 40 hours he was like I was dumbfounded and he kind of thought she tricked him. Um but she goes on

she asked Tony not only to pay child support but she wants him to tell his wife.

“That he has a daughter. So Tony actually ends up Tony Jacket ends up telling his wife”

of like how many years of six kids and years that he had an affair and now he has this daughter. Jackets. The jackets. Jackets. The jackets. The jackets. The jackets. The jackets.

Had to come off that night. So so basically his wife Susan of course is very upset at first

and live it at him but then basically they all she ends up meeting Krista and Krista comes over for dinner and brings the baby and they start to make it work. Susan herself tells the story in the 48 hours. Women are the best people. Women are just like this is a kid that is not going to like have her life be bad because of because of because of fucking jackets over here because of Captain Jacket. So and she says she actually liked her. But also Susan provides Tony's

“alibi. He was home with her at the night of Krista's death. Okay. So police are like it's all a little”

weird. Yeah. But then they also discover Krista was having issues with her 72-year-old father. They were, you know, as I said, like this prominent family and apparently the 72-year-old father now had a 29-year-old girlfriend. Her name is Elizabeth Porter. She had been a sex worker and she had been a heron addict and now she had gotten her life together and she was dating the love of her life 72-year-old dad. You're embarrassing me. And Krista was like you are spending too much money on

this woman and then they cut in the 48 hours they fucking do a hard cut to this woman Elizabeth Porter walking down like a courtroom thing and she goes yeah I like to take pictures. I mean yeah and she has like this insane cigarette voice and she's just yelling at all the cameras at

“one. Oh my god. Not handling her shit at all. So he wasn't like no I met this classy”

name. And listen I'm not talking shit on her being a sex worker or a heron addict date a sex worker and heron addict but a 29-year-old in the 72-year-old girl don't belong together. I mean you don't know any of the same references. No. You don't use any of the same emojis? No or herer products or gifts or anything. Or you don't listen to the same podcast. I mean overall the real is don't date someone younger than your children. Yeah. I'm mad at me. Dad for being a fucking creep is a way.

But I mean I know a lot of people that have had that happen where they're like and now my step mom's no more than me. That's just an obvious no. I know. I just didn't say a lot of people. I know one person and right if you knew a lot of people would be so impressed. These are the tiny ways I constantly lie. It just comes out as a lot of people and I'm like just the one but they're not hurting anyone can kind of like cool tell me. But so that was actually they were like

well this this could actually be because she was complainer or father and basically saying stop

spending money cut her off. So then and you know so it does become and it sounded like it was this thing where this is almost like a vacation town. It's the elite the people with the money in the town and then the people who make the town go. Right and they all kind of hate each other. I mean you could it all could get real you know. Yeah. It just versus them. So the police are just like it can be any but they're thinking dad's girlfriend hired someone to kill her maybe. Or they're

just looking at that girlfriend that she doesn't have the best background and she would have reason to get rid of her to be like yeah I want to keep my money source open. My dad is poor because I mean otherwise it does solve a lot. Yeah no one's gonna date no 29 you're not gonna date unless you're in love with them and they have my fucking blasts. And that's nice. I know it'd be nice. But I'm happy. Mother okay. So um they good the police there's so much going on now

there's so many suspects the police go to the FBI to get help and to get a profile drawn up the profile that the FBI gives them doesn't help them it does they don't have anybody that matches it

finally a year after Chris is murder lab results come back and they find out the DNA that they

found on her body doesn't match any of these suspects. So none of these ex-boyfriends not nobody and they're like what the fuck? So they have to start all over again so what they decide to do

40 hours who was like the reporter from day one who was told his whole story yeah and he was like

“well then that was just crazy and then it's just that you clearly they have nothing and they're just like”

trying to do whatever but how many men how many men are we talking? I don't know offhand. Sorry I shouldn't. Normally I would have lied but I call myself. Let's just go ahead with 15 thousand because it's fun and it's a it's a good number. It's a really small town. Yeah let's say 200. Okay let's say between 200 and 9000. Great okay so two and a half years later the DA Michael O'Keefe announces they've gotten a matchback from the DNA and some idiot killer gave

from their DNA. Well yes and it leads to the rest of a suspect named Christopher McGowan. He is her garbage man. So police first bring him for questioning the police they do know Chris to Worthington. He says no I just know she's a stop on my on my garbage row

but I've never met her and I don't know her and they say okay well we found your DNA on her body.

“Now what do you have to say and he says well actually I went to her house”

on Thursday which is the day that he his he picks up the garbage at her house and then I went inside we had consensual sex and then he he says he went back Friday. He had sex with her then beat her but his friend Jeremy Fraser was there. His friend Jeremy Fraser started beating her up and then he left and Jeremy Fraser's the one that stayed in Kilton. What? Well the police are like well that's a great story except for Jeremy for your friend Jeremy Fraser. Your good friend

that you're setting up for this one. None of his DNA is anywhere in the house and he's there's

no way to prove that he was ever anywhere there. Oh my god. And so then basically after six hour

interrogation he signs a waiver that says he doesn't want a lawyer and then he confesses to the murder. So this guy does the same guy Christopher McGowan the garbage man. Okay so basically the prosecution that so the trial starts the prosecution tells everybody that Christopher McGowan went out with his friend Jeremy Fraser and they got drunk and then at 1 a.m. he drives up to our house rapes her and kills her but Christopher McGowan's defense attorney as a guy named

Bob George he claims Christopher had consensual sex with him going on Thursday the day he brought he picked up the garbage then he left and that her murder took place somewhere between Thursday and then when her body was found on Sunday and that it his client had nothing to do with it. God damn it. He also suggested that Christopher Galen and Christopher Werdington could have been having a consensual affair for a while and that it was just the elitists of this

town that didn't believe that a white woman who was a dispansy fashion writer could be having a consensual affair with a black man who was the garbage man. He also submitted that McGowan's IQ

“was in the low 70s and so that's why he waves the right for the lawyer he didn't have he had no”

chance once he was in the police but he basically said but then you know so he's basically saying

he's IQs really low so he was tricked into all of this and he's just basically the perfect patchy well then the prosecution comes back and says he he's smart enough to have lied to say he didn't know her you know there's like a lot of evasion tactics or whatever so he clearly is not just because he didn't score well on IQ tests doesn't mean that he isn't tricky in doing whatever you want. The defense also alleges that the crime scene was totally contaminated by sloppy

EMTs because those EMTs came in and put a blanket on Chris's body when they first saw her and so the DNA who knows if DNA was on the blanket whatever they kind of just keep introducing reasons to doubt yeah so Chris to had an ex-boyfriend who lived in Manhattan who is in this 48 hours who says if Chris was having an affair with the garbage man because he had visited her two weeks before her murder and he said that would have been the first thing she said when I walked in the door

because she would have loved that story she would have been very proud of it. If she was having some kind of like you know it's not made December but it's like the wrong side of the tracks affair

that was not happening right so he basically kind of it was interesting when he talked about that

“where it's like you can totally see that yeah basically the trial goes um the on November 16th 2006”

he's found guilty Chris from regal and his found guilty of first degree murder with extreme atrocity aggravated rape and aggravated armed burglary and after the verdict is read um Chris

from regal and makes a statement um to the court where he says quote I never meant for this to

ever take place and then after he says that he claims to still be innocent. Wow which is a really weird way to say it if you're innocent um he is serving three concurrent life terms in prison without the possibility of parole. So after the all of that the verdict comes down in January of 2008 several jurors came forward and claimed that there was a racial bias in the jury room during the deliberations. So all 12 jurors got called back to court by that judge and they all were

questioned over those claims and their testimony revealed that there was a racial tension in the jury room. So because of that crystal room gowns lawyer used that information as grounds to file

an emotion for a retrial but that was struck down as have all three appeals that McGowan's defense

attorneys have filed on his behalf since he got sentenced and then in 2012 the defense of attorney Bob George was uh convicted of money laundering and he himself served three years in prison. What? Yes. So the very much I mean I don't know there's a lot of things that get introduced in this case in this 48 hours and that this that defense attorney Bob George he actually did a really good job of introducing all these possible doubts. Yeah. In this case

but at the end of the day it's DNA. Yeah and his was the only DNA in her body and she was raped and murdered and she was raped and murdered which would have meant there would have been someone else's

DNA there. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Um and it's funny because that 48 hours is kind of old and they

it's interesting how it feels like they keep pointing to this idea that she quote how to a lot of boyfriends. That that seemed to be at play in the way people kind of like judged this. Yeah. That I don't like she had an affair with a married man where it's like yeah. This she was not to be trusted. So yeah. Yeah or there was I don't know. It's uh I didn't like I didn't like it and the movie did that too. The movie was crazy. The movie was all about

the fucking Tony jackets. The world character that was representing him and like how tough his life was and how these all these women were making his life really tough and there's a lot of

“more fucking baby. You have to see it. You have to see it. It's pretty amazing and there's also”

the casting is fucking fascinating. The woman who plays Tony jackets wife a couple times I was like is that bridge it ever? You know how I make it. Yeah because it looked like her and it was this kind of like everything kind of it was right on the verge of being campy and then we just come back every time and to boring. When they made the movie did they know who the killer was and then they they showed that. So what happened? Yes. Although I'm pretty sure I fell asleep

before the end of the movie. Because how can you evict and blame throughout a movie and then it turns out it's just some fucking other gossip. Psycho murderer. Yes. You know what I mean? Which has it wouldn't matter if she was let's say promiscuous or not and not saying she was but it wouldn't fucking matter. It doesn't matter anyway. Yeah. It's like the thing that happened happened.

“Yeah. That's the case that needs to get sold. I mean it's crazy. Yeah I think at the end of this”

thing it's that they they leave it super vague. Like maybe he didn't. Right. But it's like no he did. Yeah. But I recommend everyone go because it's this bizarre crossroads of it's almost like every bad reenactment you ever seen. Yeah. If all the reenactors had lines she says. Whereas like you know what play with the scene and figure out what happened with you guys. I want to see you easy Susan jackets gets her groove back or she leaves her fucking chin and it has been

goes to an island. Is it Susan? Susan jacket. Is it now? Susan jacket. Oh that's fucked up. It's crazy. But the little girl the good news is the little girl went to live with the person that that Christa were the chin chose to be her. Oh good. To be the guardian. Which is a good friend of hers. But Tony jackets and Susan have visited her. And now she's like in college.

You know. That's my words of encouragement. I bet that'll work. Spread your wings. Spread your wings and stuff. Wow. Crazy. I mean it's almost like a good thing that your ankle got twisted. Go ahead and say. So it's a good thing that I watch TV

24 hours a day. Finally something good came out of it. Okay we're back Karen. Any updates? Yes.

So in 2024, Christopher McCowan requested that a sweater that the police had had since 2005, B. Franz Lee tested for DNA and have fabric analysis conducted because it was worn by Jeremy Fraser, who Christopher maintains is the one who killed Christa. So the results about that testing have not been made public. And basically that's all that's happened in that case. Wow. I wonder if we're

“going to hear anything. I know soon. Here's the thing we got to get to the story that the story”

that went on the books, a legendary one. I can't believe I snapped this one right out from under you. You really did, but maybe it was more fun for me that way because then I just got to be told

and just participate lightly. Totally. I think you would have obsessed over every little last

fact than you wouldn't have had much fun. What I though, doesn't seem like I ever had. Let's get into Georgia's legendary retelling of the story of Typhoid Mary. Hi I'm Chris Fairbake. And I'm Karen Cogarif. We host you need a ride. The mobile comedy podcast that answers the question, what does it sound like when we drive our comedian friends around the wild streets of Los Angeles? Yes, every week we pick up a hilarious guest, maybe run Samarins, share some laughs,

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plagues and flu epidemics. Oh, you know, I love all this shit, right? Sure. That's my passion. Illness. Uh-huh. Like end of days should, great level stuff. Mm-hmm. Okay. And right now, the flu right now in mid January 2018, the flu is already an epidemic. Yeah, this year,

“which is fine. I just got a shot. Did you get a shot? Mm-hmm. Oh, good. I think it's a”

irritated and I'm going to die. But anyways, well, at least you won't have the flu inside. Exactly. So on that note, because it's so fun, I thought I would do, uh, you know, our good friend, uh, Typhoid Mary. Nice. Okay. Here we go. In the summer of 1906, on Long Island's Oyster Bay. Have you been there? I haven't. I think they take one of those little trains. A journey? A journey to get there. Right? I don't know. 1906, a journey? Did they have

cars? They was made of straw. Don't know. Maybe, of course, hit me. Um, so Long Island's Oyster Bay is

had his summer White House there. Oh, it's all fucking rich people. Sure. Um, and uh,

everyone freaks the fuck out when in a span of just one week, six of the 11 people in the home of wealthy banker. Also, he's the banker to the Vanderbilt's, even Charles Warren's household comes down with Typhoid fever while they're out there on vacation. Typhoid is a bacterial infection. Let me tell you about it. Okay. Do the Salmanila Typhi and it's viewed back then as a disease of the crowded slums and tenements, which we love to talk about. Yes. Um, in New York, it's associated

with poverty, the lack of basic sanitation, immigrants, assumed to live in disease, ridding, crowded housing, our scapegoats of Typhoid. So when a rich fucking family gets it, it's bananas. Typhoid is one of the 20th centuries most terrifying killers because an infection could spread

through a house before anyone knew what was going on. Uh, the first week, uh, the infection

seems almost, you know, like just the regular flu, then there's the fever, some abdominal cramping, but nothing really crazy to show that it's Typhoid. And then during the second week, fever goes crazy. The patient becomes still areas blood clots form under the skin. The entire abdomen becomes distended. Ooh, the third week, uh, inflammation of the fucking brain and intestinal hemorrhaging, intestinal hemorrhaging. And the death rate of those infected

is anywhere between one in ten and three in ten. So it's really easily spread by eating or drinking food or water contaminated with the feces of infected persons. So think about that. The 1900, literally 1900s, you know, when they didn't like wash their hands and stuff and like water wasn't, you know, cleaned and shed. And they all had been like houses and stuff that were all, you know. Yeah, with that, I mean, that was back still when people get up and just pee in a bowl under the bed,

right, just like slosh it back under. Probably throw it out the window. Where, what's, is that when they threw stuff out the window or the baby out with them? Probably, man. I bet it, I bet they did. Let's say yes. But I like the idea that people would do it in rich houses. They didn't. So that's the thing. Okay. They didn't. So it was really weird that this

“Typhoid was an outbreak in a rich house. So people were, that's why on oyster bay,”

they were like, this is a fucking, something's wrong. Not here, not my family, not my backyard. All right, not in the Tony playground of the rich and famous. Oh, no. No. Uh, blah, blah, blah, blah. It 1900, it killed 35,000 Americans. There's no cure. And I, the autics didn't exist and a vaccine was not yet available. Poor guy. So scary. So the Charles Warren's landlord was freaking out that the family outbreak would prevent him from

leasing his summer house again. He thought they were born into the fucking ground because of Typhoid. So he was like, fuck, the shit. He hired his freelance sanitary engineer, George Soper. There's freelance sanitary engineer. Dr. George Soper. Okay. Which is like, you sound fun at parties. You sound like you have a made up job. He called a janitor. No, no. He's like, he investigates sources of Typhoid fever outbreaks to determine the cause. Like, he's the dude

who has like Dr. House. He's fucking house. He's like, come over to the lighthouse. You're out. What happened here? Okay. Like, why is everyone sick? He's the dude who figured it out. Like, what was

“his name again? George Soper. Dr. George Soper. Okay. So he's like, um, he's like, what's his name?”

Detective Colombo. Sherlock Holmes. Can you have a sense? You can leave that part of it. He's like, like, the Colombo Sherlock Holmes. Uh, uh, diseases. Okay. Okay. Uh, I was going to say diarrhea. Die. What? Stop it. We don't use that word. No, we do use that word. So everything, so Soper tests everything. He's like super excited about Christoph. Sure, apparently. He tests the house plumbing, local shellfish company. Everything comes up negative for Typhoid. But then he

looks into the cook who had worked for the warrants weeks before the outbreak and discovered that a female Irish cook, um, who fit the description of, uh, uh, of a cook who had had worked in other households, where Typhoid had broke out, broke out. No, broke out. That she had worked there right before everyone fell ill of Typhoid, um, and had also just cooked for the warrants. So I don't know why you'd hire, uh, Irish cook. We can't fucking cook. It's only Chocros and like red

“potatoes. Yeah, but I think that back then they liked the simplicity of it all. Oh, man, such a bummer.”

I mean, Irish. I think amazing to me. That's all I want is pot rest in Repeteda. Are you serious?

Fruit cocktail? Yes. Yeah. And then, of course, my grandma's special. Would she put on it?

Thousand Island. Yes. Yeah. Hard stop. That's uh, uh, and I's per lettuce. No. That's Irish cook. My friends. Do you know what? I want, I want Irish per lettuce with thousand island, and I want Jello with fruit cocktail. I don't want them to meet each other. Well, sorry. My grandma says you have

“to. And that's my job to make it happen. And you have to finish it. You do. I mean, Tarina,”

do you mean that's you? That works as to eat spinach as tiny babies, and very few of us have ever broken a bone spinach, but you fucking twist your ankle all the goddamn time. I roll it, but don't break. Grandma. Okay. Grandma. Okay. He was okay. So we can't find her because she left after the after every outbreak, regret begins. She fucking later's out of there and doesn't give it forward on your dress. Soper learns of an active outbreak in a penthouse on park Avenue where

two of the household servants were hospitalized, and the young daughter of the family had died of typhoid. Oh, no. And she just, and he discovers sober discoveries that the family cook was the same woman who had cooked for the other families. It's 40-year-old Irish immigrant Mary Mowlin. Oh, Mary, wash her hands, Mary. There I go. Oh, do it, Mary. What did she say? And she says, ah, I just need to start the soup with my hand or no click. I can't do it. No, you're going to do it.

This whole fuckin' story. We need it. Okay. Soper starts stalking Mary Mowlin and tells her, and he tells her she's transmitting disease and death by her job. But he sounds very bad at telling people things and explaining in a calm, like, you know, self-possessed manner to an Irish immigrant probably because he had some prejudices against Irish people. So do you think he was like,

“to nervous to tell her? He was like screaming at her. I think he was screaming in her face this”

thing. He transmitting disease and death. And she's like, Irish immigrant is like, what are you talking about? So he didn't explain to her how she as a woman who was perfectly healthy could be infecting others with typhoid. He attempted to get, and then, and then he goes on to attempt to get samples of Mary's feces here in a blood. I think just by yelling in her face, the name of samples of her feces here in a blood. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, man, get away from me. Yeah. Not surprisingly,

this just pissed Mary off. And one time she chased him away with a large kitchen for her, when he tried to come get her face. Get out of here. That's my Irish. Get out of here. Get out of here. Get out of the kitchen now. You always have to start way high and then go down really low. Okay. Since Mary refused to give samples, he decided to compile a five-year history of

“her employment. He found that of the eight families that had hired Mary Malon as a cook,”

members of seven of those families claimed to have contracted typhoid fever, even though Mary had

never shown signs of the ailment. And with this, soper becomes the first author to describe a

healthy carrier of Salmanella typhi in the United States. So the person who can carry it never get ill by it, but passed it on to other people. That's she's basically immune to this thing she has. But she has it means giving it to everybody on. And part of her argument is like, well, I'm fucking fine. It can't be me getting it to anyone. Right. So also, and let me use my whole arm as a story. And I just want to stir this fucking stew. I just want to touch the bottom of the pan.

With my fingernail. I put this under my fingernails and put it into the stew. What's the big deal? Well, it's the problem. My fingernail ladle, right, without watching my hands. Okay, let me tell you about Mary. Mary Malon is born in September of 1869 in Cook's County, Cook's then County typhi Rome. Cook's then. Let's call it a small village in the north of Ireland. That was among one of Ireland's poorest areas. She immigrated to the United States in 1883 at the age of 15.

Her aunt, Uncle, who she had been living with died. So she was living in Swallor, Swallor housing in the lower East side, fending for herself. She found work as a domestic servant and apparently her proclensity in the kitchen led her to be a cook. So she was somehow blood in the kitchen.

I don't know. I copied and paste it. I don't know if that I never used. Proclensity,

propensity, quantity, quantity, quantity. That's a word. I don't think it is. I refuse. I got me to face it. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It sounded so good and I was going to be like, it kind of was like a combination of propensity and declension, but I'm almost positive when your search for clensity did not match any search. Look at her propensity, is that right? Well, I'm never copying and pasting from Wikipedia again. That's right. So it's not, there's no.

maybe they just fit correct. Or it is propensity. Fuck. All right. I'm not adding that out because

“list is who I am. I'm in a fucking show. Sometimes we get words wrong. It's okay.”

My proclensity in the kitchen. It sounds like for clenced and sounds like a like for many or losing their hair. Yeah, shampoo. Take mint per clenced in every night. Right. Okay. In 1900, she worked in Memoronic, New York. Sort of it? No. Where within two weeks of her employment residents develop typhoid fever in 1901, she moved Manhattan, where members of the family whom she worked for developed thevers in diarrhea. That's a bummer to have the same time. Yeah, that's horrible.

You don't know what's happening and you have diarrhea. Right. She's a laundry stud there.

Oh, no. His name they don't mention anywhere, which is like, listen, she's someone too. That's right.

And then Mary Malen goes on to work for a lawyer. She left after seven of the eight people in that household became ill. She fucking layers. And she keep leaving, though. I don't know. She thinks she's so innocent. Well, it's so it's hard to tell because it's like did she leave because everyone got sick and so the house stood still. Then they didn't need anyone or what did she know. No, you need help the most. That's true. She can suit doesn't cook itself.

Yeah, that's right. So it's good to save a lot of yourself on those stairs. Yeah, sorry. To solve it, Jesus Christ. Okay, she can soup keep stir itself without an arm and it can't walk up stairs. Exactly. So mm mm mm mm mm mm. Okay, so then in 1906 she goes to Oyster Bay and within two weeks, 10 of the 11 family members are hospitalized with typhoid. Changes job again. Same thing happens. Cooks for the Warren. Same thing happens. The Aubety blah. Okay.

Doctors theorize that Mary Malin likely passed typhoid germs by failing to vigorously scrub her hands before handling food. Usually the elevated temperatures of cooking food would have killed all the germs and bacteria on shit. But then they found out that Mary Malin's like most popular dish. Her specialty, her specialty was ice cream that she cut up raw peaches into and froze. So nothing had gotten cooked. Oh, can you imagine those wet

“fucking peaches with her little like cutting knife under and all the nail under her nail stuff?”

As she's cutting peaches, she's also cutting a little bit of her finger a little bit with it. Oh god, she had a real poor quantity for cutting up her own flesh. I can't believe

I got that one. Okay. The New York City Health Department finally made trying to get her to

chill the fuck out and she won't. Finally they sent because she won't. She's like fuck you and everyone. She must cook. She's like an angry angry woman. She had to fight for her life. Life we have, you know, nobody. It reminds so I just started watching Alius Grace, which you had talked about liking and it reminds me of like, she came over on a ship and that fucking in that nature of absolute bullshit. Yeah. She's like, fuck you. I'm working to like live my own life.

I mean, it's those the ship journey alone. So upsetting for most people coming to this country traumatizing just horrifying. And then they show up and then it's like, I hope you have a job. Yeah,

“good luck with that. Yeah. Also, you don't wash your hands enough. Yeah. That's what you talking about.”

You know what that reminds me of real quick? Yeah. When I lived in Scotland, there was a commercial that was on like UK TV and it was, are you a washer or a walker? And it was just a, it was pretend camera, like hidden camera in a bathroom to see if people walked up, check their face and walked away or washed their hands and walked away. And since that commercial, I think before that I was very like, no, who cares, one way or the other. I know if

I need to wash my hands, not since that commercial I've, oh, I washed my hands every single time. I just can't trust door knobs. You just can't trust door handles. You just should wash your hands as much as possible. And I do. And you don't go out of your fucking mind. I do. But like do your best. Don't be a walker. You know what I'm saying. My dad, every, he won't sit down at, we'll go to lunch. Anywhere, he had just gone out of his car, he hasn't touched anything. He won't. He's kind of

has OCD though, but he'll go wash his hands before sit like every time you can't even start talking to him. Oh, wow. Wash his hands. I wonder if that's like if his parents were really strict about that, like before eating. Yeah, maybe. It's a good idea. Every once in a while, oh, look at my hands, especially when it's sort of cheap jeans. Oh, no. And you, there's nothing worse than how dirty hands as an adult at like a meal. The only more than like putting a food

thing of like, and then you, there's so many times you can go, well, I'm, I'm strengthening my immune system. Well, most of the time you're not, you're just putting someone else's fucking urine hands E and your fucking mouth and then from the door knob. We'd all have much stronger immune systems if that really was right. I have a bit of an OCD about washing hands. Well, you're Marty's daughter. I'm Marty's daughter. I'm Marty's daughter. Throwing through a hardstock doesn't let her hands.

“Doesn't mess. Does it mess? Does not mess. Okay. So New York City else, right?”

Sends in physician Sarah Josephine Baker to talk to Mary. So the singer. Yeah, right?

Oh, those are your amazing at night. She was just like, amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey,

that's not good. That's not good. Baker said that by the time she was, she said, quote, by that time she was convinced that the law was only persecuting her when she had done nothing wrong. So Mary was like, hard, or fuck you. Yeah. We're like that. Yeah. Baker's, so this chick Sarah Josephine Baker, her own father and brother had died of typhoid when she was young. And so she had felt pressured to support her mother and sister financially. So at 16 years old,

she decided to on a career in medicine. Wow. And this, and this is like the early 1900s, late 1800s. This shows up. That has mother fucker in it, right? And people should fucking study her, et cetera for feminist reasons. She's fucking awesome. So she goes to fine Mary Malin and

with her help, the New York City Health Department takes Mary into custody in 1907. And places

are into forced confinement inside a bungalow on 16 acre north-brother island of the Bronx Shore. So if you live in Hedloon and Manhattan or been in Manhattan, you see it's fucking island over there. Like a lot of the shore that you can like see. It's almost like Alcatraz and San Francisco. Right.

“So all the only thing, only companion she has and tell me if this doesn't sound amazing.”

She's in confinement. All she has is a fox terrier. You're like living the life. Can I please? So wait. I think I'm in that confinement right now. You put yourself in Mary Malin's fucking couldn't find me. We're all Irish women are very doomed to live the life of Mary Malin. It just repeats itself. Yeah, man. Okay. So she, it's at. So they on this brother island was the Riverside Hospital, which is where she's at. It's founded in the 1850s as a smallpox hospital

to treat and isolate victims of that disease. So they just fucking put them on this tiny island outside of Manhattan. You can see Manhattan and you're like, oh my, I want that. No, you're sick. Too bad. It eventually expands to at a quarantaneable diseases like leprosy and mineral diseases. So they just like later people onto that island. Did they really? Yeah. So you get you get some mineral disease. Yeah. So like go stay here and tell you.

Oh, in the same room with all the other people. The mineral diseases. Yeah. Sounds like a party. I mean, those are the people that party. Yeah. Um, a lot of great personalities in that room. I bet. I mean, I'm sure. Okay. With her force confinement, Mary Malin, everyone, the media goes fucking nuts because this woman has been spreading the disease and killing people with it. So media goes nuts eventually in 1908 in the Journal of American Medical Association.

She is nicknamed Typhoid Mary. That's where she gets her name. So the professional is really nuts. They came in just yet. Yeah. They were doing top-notch journalism. All right. Come here. Good job everybody. Um, so, so turns out Mary Malin is immune to the disease herself.

She's the first person in the United States identified as an asymptomatic carrier of the pathogen.

Which is pretty fucking cool. Well, in custody Mary Malin, Typhoid Mary, let's call her and Mr. Poor Hygiene. She's like, yeah, what other that mother fuckers say? No. I can't say.

“I can't say. That was part of that. That was all she just said. Oh, who cares?”

Jesus, Mary of Joseph, there's other things to worry about. Exactly. There's people starving in my country. She said she did not understand the purpose of handwashing because she did not pose a risk. Girl, you're the cook. You're the cook. You pose a risk. It doesn't matter how healthy you are. Uh, they authorities are like, let's get rid of your gallbladder because that's where they believe the Typhoid bacteria resided. And she was like,

fuck, now fuck you. I don't even have the disease. And she was unwilling to see working as a cook, too. So like, well, let you go. Just don't work as a cook. And she's like, nope. I know what wash my hands. Go fuck yourself. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Fight. Mary. Fight. We're so angry. It doesn't make sense. I wish women, I wish women. Fight. Fight. Fight. And then a herky. Perky. She is forced to give 163 samples of various bodily substances to the doctors

To the health. To the gills. To the gills. Um, so Mary stays there for three years until tests results from a private laboratory. Yes. I said that. Okay. I'm negative for Typhoid. And with this information in 1909, Mary sues the health department for her freedom. But everyone's like, where'd she get the money to sue the health department? And then,

“and then it's like a secret thing that maybe William Randolph Hearst was like,”

"Look, having the money if you give me like an interview." So like, he was like, springing people. So genius. Yeah. So smart. But the New York Supreme Court's like, "Oh, fuck yourself." No. But then in 1910, there's a new health commissioner. He lets her go.

If she promises never to work as a cook again. And she's like, "Okay, great." She's like,

"Fine, I didn't like that much anyway." Yeah. So in February of 1910, Mary agreed that she was "prepared to change her occupation and would give assurance by affidavit that she would upon her release take such hygienic precautions as would protect those with whom she came in contact from infection." Meaning, why sure, fucking hands? I'll watch my fucking hands. No, I just, I felt like I wanted to defend, but there's, it's an indefensible. Go ahead.

Be nice. Some people don't think that some people think what that her being locked up is indefensible. No, she killed a ton of people because she refused to what, she wouldn't, it's like she wouldn't

“give in anything. Or it's like, "Okay, well if you're the cook, you have to admit handwashing”

is kind of key." I realized it was a, that was kind of a new idea back then, but still.

Well, the thing is, so she thought they were all to get her, and all this shit, you're like decades later, they're like, "Well, if she had typhoid her whole life, maybe it fucked her brain up a little bit and she was paranoid and crazy." Oh, yeah. But wait, it gets worse. Okay. Okay. So, they let her out. They lose track of her. Goodbye. That idea. Cut to five years later, in 1915, a typhoid outbreak happens at Manhattan's Sloan maternity

hospital. It struck 25 workers and killed two of those workers. When Soper, our friend George Soper's back, he looks in the outbreak, and he's like, "This looks fucking familiar." Oh, no. Traces it back to the cook, who's an Irish woman named Mary Brown this time. She took her name. She found a good man. Oh, no, she changed her name so she could become a cook. Like, she was doing it. Now, she's responsible for it. Now, she's being a death.

“You know what I mean? Yeah. Now, it's criminal, I think. It's Mary Mount.”

Thubbavava. Turns out, she changed her name and during her years of release, she had cooked in hotels, restaurants, and institutions. Wow. So, she was like, she'd gone, they'd given her a job as a wondrous. You make no fucking money. It's really hard work. Doesn't smell good. Doesn't smell good. She was like, "Fuck this shit and went to cook." Wherever she worked, there were outbreaks of typhoid. However, she changed shop so frequently. So, she had eluded the blame. She's captured, and again,

can find a North Brother Island where she continued to refuse to acknowledge that she had any connection between herself and the typhoid cases. Well, at that point, it's so stacked up against her.

Yeah. But she might as well just do that because she's so guilty that the second she breaks

it's over. Yeah. Exactly. So, after the second apprehension, she spends the next 23 years of her life as a prisoner in forced isolation. Hundreds of not thousands of asymptomatic carriers who had been identified were allowed to walk the streets of New York freely, but typhoid Mary lived alone in exile, partly due because the public were fucking pissed at her because she wouldn't stay at the kitchen. Like, if she had just not gone back to cooking. Yes. That second time around,

exactly. I mean, I didn't. It's sad that she lived a nice life. Yeah. But why are you being so stubborn? Yeah. Calm down. Karen. Uh-oh. Oh, Karen, having things. And you just, my face just starts to fall apart. You know, I don't want to do it. It doesn't come out of me. Your typhoid deer is just starting running out of your face. The devil inside me. It's so bad. Uh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I stayed at the kitchen on November 11, 1938. Mary

Melan dies a pneumonia at age 69 still in captivity. But an autopsy found evidence of life, twice, twice away, typhoid bacteria and her gallbladder. So they were right. Yeah, they were right. Um, her body's cremated and ashes were buried at St. Raymond's cemetery in the Bronx. So Mary Melan, uh, it's thought that she infected 51 people and three of those illnesses resulted in death. And that's based on, uh, George Sopras, you know, looking into it. But she, she used so many aliases

that it's thought that she, the true death toll could have been way fucking higher, um, some

So I don't know if that's even true. Historians say she can terminate at least 122 people and

“killed five, which sounds a little more likely. So crazy though. Yeah. So throughout the 20th century,”

typhoid fever steadily declines due to introduction of vaccinations and improvements in public sanitation and hygiene, aka washer fucking hands. Um, and today typhoid fever is considered

a rare condition among developed countries, uh, rate is approximately five cases per million

per year. Uh, as your fucking brother, island and Riverside Hospital real quick, this fucking island of disease often, yeah, Manhattan sounds amazing. Sounds amazing. The island has been abandoned since 1963, after it was a detention, it was lasted a tension facility for juvenile drug offenders in 1963. How badly do you wish you could go and just sit on the wall and like stare at the people? There, you know there's some black light posters in that building that

you know there's some people out there who have stories of like, they were like, you know my mom

“working in the mental, she worked at a hospital called Langley Porter in San Francisco. It's up on”

the hill. Yeah. And, um, and people in the 60s used to send their kids, they got caught smoking pop one time. No. They sent their kids to the mental hospital. Right. So she said there were in it's in the, like, mental late 60s. All these kids, there was like an influx of kids are like they're incorrigible and they're drug addicts. Yeah. They had only done like one joint or slipper. We're saying no to things. Exactly. And then they were housed with people who are legitimately

in need of mental mental health issues. And I'm sure those kids were like, well, I'm never

doing anything bad again. Yes. The shit that they saw like, yeah, or they were like, I don't know. Yeah. It's just that it was really sad and bummed her out a lot. It's clearly complicated. Yeah. So these kids got sent there in 1963, finally it closed. It's now uninhabited and designated as a bird sanctuary. But wait. It's illegal for anyone to go on the island without permission from the city. All the buildings, though, still fucking stand and these photographers sometimes go on

there and take photos and you can see a bunch of the photos. We should put them up on Instagram of these gorgeous, like brick buildings that are falling in a disrepair and you can see the rooms where Mary Malen was fucking housed and you can see the typhoid of a wing and you can see the fucking crematorium and it's like, it's insanely gorgeous. I am asking any murderer who works for the city of Manhattan. So please let me and Karen come to the fucking island. Come and get a disease of

our own for ourselves. And since it's like under, you know, under watching you, it's really hard to get on there. Everything is still there. So like people haven't graffitied and people haven't

“so-and-should from the island. That's amazing. You need to see the photos. Everything is covered in”

wildlife. It's gorgeous. Oh, I want to see that. It's amazing. But it sounds like the island they've

threatened to send, or that they promised to send Dr. Lecter to inside some lamps that ends up to be that they're like fakesies when she recites that thing. You are allowed to walk on the beach every day, whatever. I want to read that. It's so good. So good. You will be allowed. Well, you will be allowed one. Walk a one day a year. Well, you can walk freely on the beach with farm guards or ever snipers. I don't know. No, it's fake either. I know. My friend, my friend Amy, who you met when we were in

Wisconsin. She, she has son's limbs memorized. I've watched her with her and she'll just say the one real quick before. It's my favorite thing that works. I love it. You will be allowed to walk. She'd be able to do that to be right off the door. Right off the door. It's so good. Oh, these dumps. Okay. It's illegal. But you could still see the building. The room where Typhoid Barry spent the last 23 years of her life. What's she doing there? Oh, man. She was bummed. But it's out. It's just

like there's varying accounts where it's like some say she was like actually helping out there and like a maid and some say that she was just like in seclusion and they had banded her and used her ass. Like a look at Typhoid Mary. You know, when people would come to the island. Yeah. That kind of thing. So you don't really know. I hope there was a Fox Terrier. Yeah. And then I also want to mention there's a podcast. If you're into this shit, like I am, there's a podcast that's kind of new.

It's hosted by two these two young ladies who are grad students in disease ecology. It's called this podcast. Well, kill you. And it's just about infectious diseases from history. And every episode is that. And these these two girls are in their both name Erin are like, it's just an awesome podcast. This podcast is really. Yeah. So this podcast will kill you. Love it. I like to imagine that Typhoid

like to put her hand in. So it's like she'd be like corn, chowder or whatever. And then just like

“mashed potatoes and then both our fantasies, just like both bare arms go all the way in. And”

like she cleans her fingernails in the chowder. Yes. I wonder if she like were requested like cooking magazines and like red recipes. So it was like stick stick your arm completely on. Do you be like, this looks good. But you know what means my arm, my arm, my fingernail clippings. And just not funny.

People don't, it's disgusting. It's terrible. But it's amazing. It's incredible. Also the idea,

did you watch the neck when it was on? Yeah. And they have, uh, there's an episode involving her. I watched the little, um, scene where they, and yes, where they confront her. Yeah. It's that was such a good show. And they did that alone. She was great. But they did that where they would take those things out of history and be like, yes, is what where you don't have any sense. Like things before modern medicine and modern stuff, it's just the weirdest idea where they'd be like,

somebody coming in, they'd be like, well, we tried to stick a tube in the arm, and then they died. Like, yeah. And it's just, it was so crazy precarious. But then make it such a great show.

“I love that. Yeah. If you're into that kind of thing, you should definitely watch it. It was great.”

Also, if you've ever taken cocaine to the point where it was a problem for you,

I warn. Trigger warning. Huge cocaine trigger warning for the neck. Opium, too. Like, I could be a doctor and do coke all the time. No. Maybe you're in an opium dense tube. Trigger warning. So you love to lay back with a bunch of people dressed in traditional Chinese garb. Yeah. Then this will be hard for you to get through. It's going to make you not. But if you love surgery without gloves or anesthesia, uh, this is the show

for you. Let her show or cry bone. Right. Um, that was great. Thank you. That was fun. I love to learn. I love, I love, I love teaching. No. I love saying hards wrong. I love teaching.

I love to learn. I love to lie. I love to make up new words. I love to just have fun with this.

Just say, shit that. And, you know, don't have any, uh, for a cleansing, uh, for caring. I mean,

“I have a real poclensity to just say what I want. And I think we all do. There's a freedom in that.”

And these proclensities we all have. And this proclensia's time. There's a freedom. It's so, the funniest thing about typhoid married issue, um, should a robot problem with book cleanse cleansliness? Shit. No, I love it. It was a fucking valiant effort. I tried, but you could see me. You could see me making that you turn for miles away. Would you have made that attempt two years ago before this podcast? Absolutely. No, not at all. It's a real bias against puns as you

know. And so I applaud you. And, uh, no, I think it's the effect that we're that you have on my life. I'm, I'm making you stupider. You're breaking down those pun walls. I am supitoring you. Hard. You know, real hard. Okay. We are back. Are there any updates for the, the, one of the great stories of modern America? There's no updates. But I mentioned none other than this podcast will kill you during this story, which became part of the exactly right network on November 28th, 2018. See,

there's all kinds of easter eggs. If you pay attention pay attention, you can check out their website at this podcast. We'll kill you dot com and listen wherever you get your podcast and watch full episodes on the exactly right YouTube page at youtube.com/exactly right media. Okay. So you just heard the moment when I accidentally invented the word pro-clensity. We liked it so much. We named the episode after it. And now eight years later. So very timely. We are making merch. That's right. The people

who's spoken. You can get a pro-clensity ringer tea mug or tote bag all available for pre-sale right now until July 21st. The exactly right store.com order yours now and become a part of the pro-clensity generation. I have a hometown about typhoid Mary. If you want me to read it, please do. Okay. We received this email from listener Angela. It's called teaching handwashing featuring typhoid Mary. Yes. Hi, Emma. I teach in after school cooking class for elementary school students.

Ah, how cute. Every week we make a new recipe where the students get a work with food, eat what they've made and take home a recipe sheet. It's super fun and also exhausting. Shout out to the full-time teachers. I don't know how you do it. Being that we're working with food in large groups. My number one rule in class is that students have to wash their hands beforehand. I'll link food. Thank you. I try, I want even like when I go leap. My sister's stopped listening

I don't really eat much. Those two little kids that get their hands at every time.

“Detection, poking, put things back and I eat before I go. Can I really quickly tell you a story of”

my sister leaving work as a kindergarten teacher? Going to some sort of school function. It was taco night. She's setting up all the stuff for tacos and she just put out this huge like a pile of grated cheese to go down the buffet and like a little six-year-old walks over and just sticks his hand in the center that cheese and starts eating it. And my sister whips around it. She's like, "That is not how you bababa!" And then another mom comes over and puts her hand on my sister's

back and goes, "Maybe you take your tacos and go home." And those are like, "Yeah, yeah, I'm in a... Do not food shame kids." I mean, it's so true where it's like, that's the thing about little kids. Is there dirty monster? No, they are. I won't eat. I won't eat around them. Okay. Watch their hands on it. I try explaining that it keeps everyone strong and healthy. It's a good habit. Hand sanitizers must not the same as running water and soap, etc. Despite my honest attempts,

I know some of these kids just fake it when I said them off to go wash their hands. I did that too.

“That's why I won't eat it. I know it fucking disgusting. I love having a chocolate chip cook. You're like,”

"Did you make this with PlayDA? 'Cause it's real salty." And it's red. And now I have distemper. So last fall, I thought of a more impactful way to teach them about the importance of hand washing. By telling the story of Typhoid Mary. That's right. Scare the shit out of them. Scare the shit out of them. Scare the shit out of them. I'm watching you. So as I'm delivering my hand

washing spiel on the first day of class, I asked the students if anyone has ever heard of Typhoid Mary.

I then acted like it was a spooky story that was too scary to tell, which just made them want to hear it more. It's perfect. I went on to tell a kid-friendly version of her story as a servant and home chef. Her lack of hand washing that led to widespread Typhoid transmission and multiple deaths being pinned by the police and put into solitary confinement and her continuous refusal to wash her hands. To put the medies, I assured them that public sanitation and medicine have come a long ways since her time.

Nevertheless, they got the message. I noticed a significant drop-off of hand washing protesters and more openness towards hand washing in general. Great. Now when I go over hand washing rolls on the first day of every term, I inevitably have at least one repeat student interjecting, "Tell us the story!" Fuck yeah, watch a little murder it out. It's so good. And of course, I obliged, and it is the most attention that class pays me all term.

I always appreciate revisiting George's telling of Mary's story just to make sure I get all those

nitty-gritty details, right? Stay sexy and wash your hands, Angela. Oh, so good. So good. Amazing. Okay, it's time for us to get into the good things of the week portion of the show.

“A thing we used to do. I think we used to have good portions of the week. We used to really”

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that I'm listening to. Thank you, audible. It's sci-fi fantasy and it's one of those books that makes me that someone thought of this narrative and thought of this like idea makes me happy that humans that certain humans exist. It's like so fucking joyous that people can think of these things and write these books and it's gorgeous. And I love it. It's called the children of time by Adrian Chikovsky. And it's sci-fi fantasy. The book is really fun to listen to. It's fucking weird

to shit. It's like post-human space stuff with their spiders. I've never end my life. I thought

I would ever have sympathy to spiders but I do. It's like such a good book and it's making me

“really happy to exist. Wow, that's a lot of like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, you know?”

Yeah, that's the last book that's done that for me, which is made me like so happy that Douglas Adams existed. And I feel like you're big theories and thoughts and feelings. Yeah, like wow, someone thought of that. Our brains are bigger than, you know, in these Proclens this time. Or everything feels kind of proclens. Right. And I know I'm not going to write that fucking book. So I appreciate that Adrian Chikovsky has. Yeah, so that's really sat down and

yeah. Yeah, so that's making me happy. I agree to green. What's yours? Okay, mine is this is it. This was a tweet that I received two days ago. You did, too. From a woman named Molly on, uh, hold on. Oh, sorry, haunted train. There's so fucking loud. It's me, Cherenek on Twitter. And she wrote to us and said, "Don't be alarmed if there's a body down there." And quotes. And then the headline of the article that she sent it sent us says, "Syncole reveals

hidden room below family's garage." And then there's a picture of shelving that they can see through the hole. And on the shelf, there's toys. But it's also all dark and creepy. And it's like, this article. So it happened in Idaho Falls, Idaho. This family, apparently, when they like,

there's like an inch of cement. Yeah. And then the, the sinkhole happens. Yeah. And basically,

there had been an hidden room underneath their house. And it's in a place where there's normally not sellers. Right. So they're like, they think it's possible that could have been like a bomb shelter, but probably not. Yeah. And a bunch of stuff that's down there has been down there for like 40 or 50 years. Is that, is that how, I couldn't find how long it was. It's like 45 years. I don't think this is like new letters and shit. Yes. Um, but they thought that's the crazy.

Let me see if I can get a year. They. Oh, um, the home was built in the 50s. And it was built as a basement home. Then someone came in the 70s and remodeled it and added the second story. So I bet in the 70s someone put it down there. Yeah. But they say it's definitely not a bomb shelter and that it's sketchy. And the insurance provider and the engineer, the ones that said, don't be alarmed if you find a body down there. That's amazing. Um, don't be alarmed if you find a body

down there. Because they're basically going down there and looking through it. It's, it's just, like that picture of the old kind of water, moldy letters and stuff. It's just the creepiest

“story of all time. So I'm very, as I think you know, but I, I'm not sure if everybody knows,”

but I'm obsessed with sinkholes, sinkholes are truly my passion. Anytime, Nica, I was, I was,

I was never more livid. Remember the sinkhole that came up off of Laurel Canyon? Yeah. I was

up in Petaluma and I saw it on the news and I was livid. Because she couldn't go meet it in person.

for that meeting. Great. I mean, like, hi. Where did you come from? What's your deal? What's happening down there? Is it a, are you a hidden river? Oh, or are you something entirely different?

That's amazing. Yeah, sinkhole and hidden room. Come on. My camera sinkhole. That's amazing.

This is a double z's for you. It's a sinkhole and a hidden room. And because the best part about,

“usually sinkholes fill back up with water because that's why they're there in the first place.”

It's like the water table got you close. Um, bloody blow. Yeah. Well, it's made up, but um, but it's a water involved. Yeah. That's why. Sure. Uh, it's erosion, but it's underneath. Okay. Anyhow, there's no water in this. In the solar. It's like they can go down and look into it. I know. It's not like you got flooded immediately or filled a silt. No, I want to go. I want to go down there. Let's go. It's like an amusement park. Let's go. Idaho is not that far away.

And we're back. Come back. Finally. It's time to talk about the number one title of this

of 10 years of podcasting pro-clensity. I stand by that word. Truly my favorite. Uh, okay. We could be called death confetti. Oh, because we're the confetti. That's right. Or white blue, white blue, which was uh, but I leave my song later gloves around. How about the Colombo of diseases? Or the shellfish constable. Love that. That was a good one. Oh, the couches forever. I mean, there's so many. Fuck sex. The joy of kittens. It's just pro-clensity wins. I don't, I like it.

“There's some funny ones, but I feel like there's, I just remember that title. It sounds like a word.”

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