Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 110: Live at the Palace Theatre in Columbus

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Hello, and welcome to rewind with Karen and Georgia. This is the show where we've stepped into the past through our old episodes, and we emerge from the other side with brand new feelings, case updates, and more. And today we're rewinding to episode 1-10,

which we'll see in the next episode. We'll see you in the next episode. This is the show where we've stepped into the past through our old episodes, and we emerge from the other side with brand new feelings, case updates, and more. And today we're rewinding to episode 1-10,

which we named live with the palesteader in Columbus. This episode originally came out March 1, 2018.

“All right, let's get into the intro of episode 1-10.”

[Cheering] Oh, good. [Cheering] Hey, what's up Columbus? [Cheering]

Yes, we haven't gotten one wrong yet. We practiced and practiced backstage. Where are we? How do you pronounce it? Columbus. [Cheering]

Wow. What a beautiful theater. [Cheering] Gorgeous theater, gorgeous. We got a fun fact on the way over here about the theater that it was a Rodville theater,

and downstairs in catering was where they had the animals come in. For fun, no. Like all the dogs and the ballet costumes in shit. Oh. What's funny is we didn't ask what animals. That's Georgia's cartoon of this theater in 1920.

I just wrote it in your head. Poodles and fucking ballet costumes. Little show. Little show. [Cheering]

That's the most famous ballet of all. [Cheering] You know it? It's the Sugar Plum Fairy. [Cheering] From the knack hat with Poodles.

I pictured on the animal ramp just like 100 elephants.

It's just like these people are amazing.

They got all those camels and elephants. Right, not the right out here. [Cheering] In my mind, it was poodles. [Cheering]

Poodles time. Poodles time. Welcome to Poodles time, everybody. Thank you so much. Welcome, man.

[Cheering] You bought special tickets to Poodles time. We appreciate it. It's the official pre-show of the Puppy Bowl. [Cheering]

That's right. Who's excited? Talking Puppy Bowl.

It's Chris Hardwick.

We're all going to come out.

Talk about what might happen. What happened last year? Remember when that one drank the water? Fuck. That was the best.

You can see it in your mind again, huh? What's the music behind Puppy's drinking water? Oh, well. Well, they're not drinking out of fucking FBI glasses. Oh, shit, sure.

[Cheering] See right here. Thank you. They stand up and shoot us. Please sit down.

[Cheering] You're not in charge right now. FBI, Jesus, power tripping. Still standing. Still talking.

Let me break this shit. [Cheering] Thank you. Yeah, thanks. Is what we meant to say.

[Cheering] Can you hear me breathing in this mic? We are poor. This sound system is insane. Because it sounds like the voices are coming from behind me.

And that's when you're the one talking, that's kind of upsetting. Oh, that's the ghost. Oh, they said a ghost? That's the ghost of a dead poodle? [Laughter]

The voice of a ghost of a dead ghost. Oh, why are we talking about that dog? It's fun, it's funny. That's a bummer, it's funny. Oh, did you know what this show is about?

[Laughter] I've bad news for you.

“Oh, no, I think security really is coming for those FBI agents.”

Oh, well. Oh, well. Oh, shit, no, no, no, no, you know what it is. Oh, someone tweeted this. I was, uh, he's dropping. Don't Twitter. You get your own individual usher at this theater to walk you to your seat. Each and every person? I mean, they could have been lying, but, oh, hi, oh, you got some fucking class. So I'm just like, we did too.

[Laughter] Because no one knows where they're going. They look at, they look at the balcony ticket and they're like, you're on your own. [Laughter] Figure it out.

If you want your own individual usher, you got to kick down that. That's chitter. [Laughter]

Never said that word before.

As money, never. Chitter as money. Chitter is money. Karen? I have to tell you guys something, it's literally upsetting.

Karen, you try to steal someone's purse last night. Look, listen. [Laughter] I needed money from my children. [Laughter]

So it starts. [Laughter] Having children? Yes. [Laughter]

Last night at the meat and greet, these gals walk up. It's a problem with me. I make a lot of assumptions in my mind and then just go with it. Um, it's a fun way to live, but you can be deeply wrong often. [Laughter]

These two women walked up and they had clutch purses,

“and they had with, I think, like, sequenced,”

sewed on our logo onto these truly, beautiful clutch purses. And they were walking toward, I understand. They were walking towards us, like, shagging us. That's good.

So I'm on, like, this is amazing.

And I open it up. [Laughter] Like, why is she giving me this old checkbook? I don't want that. I don't want this shit.

[Laughter] First control pill? What the fuck? [Laughter] It was really awkward.

It was super-- When the moment I realized I'm looking into a woman's purse, who I met three and a half seconds ago, I was all like, "Huh? Loving your purse."

[Laughter] Why'd she hand it to me? I don't know. [Laughter] You're not giving you something.

Yeah, and we're like, "Oh, they're gorgeous." Wait, I like play a room. What they were up, but I wanted one. [Laughter] You know?

Don't bring two. [Laughter] That's a real-- That was a real mindful. Hmm.

She was a lawyer.

“So I think she's used to getting cats and people”

in weird situations. Are you sure here? No. Out. A lawyer.

Oh, you love lawyers. There's one lawyer. [Laughter] Oh, these are people that got off on huge crimes. [Laughter]

Yes. Lawyer groupies. You can't prove anything. [Laughter] And admissible.

I've never such shit. [Laughter] Let's-- let's throw them more legal guns. Um, approach the bench. I've got to approach the bench.

Order in the court. I'm just panicking going through every law in order I've ever seen. Arche-manative, you're on earth. [Laughter] Welcome to my favorite program.

Everybody, right now. [Cheering] Thank you. That's Karen Kilgiro. That's Georgia Hartstart.

[Cheering] Throw the-- uh-- for all the dads that were dragged along. I don't know what this is. Yes.

It's going to get worse. [Laughter] More confusing. More confusing. More inside baseball.

Yeah. But you guys get the Super Bowl. So, calm down.

No, women like that stuff too, right? Absolutely. Everything's fair and even. [Laughter] Mac.

Mac. Snacks. I just love the snacks. [Laughter] Have you seen that picture online?

That's the person who made a-- a cold cut, Super Bowl. [Laughter] Like, dating on the stage. [Laughter]

There's peel off pieces of ham. Off a ham, stadium. I bet that person is super chill. Yeah, person's just chill.

“It's just a person who is chill about me.”

[Laughter] It's not that big of a deal.

She doesn't-- or he doesn't tell you where to eat from first.

Or get mad at you at, you know, in the corner. I'm eating from the middle. Try that olive loaf front door. [Laughter] Is there a friend door to his stadium?

Probably. [Laughter] A front of back to side doors. Speaking of delicious food and beautiful food. So we went on our way here.

We were in Cleveland, yesterday and on our way. Today. Thank you. Thank you. We stopped by your incredible vintage shop club flower child.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It was just troubling. And we were like, "Well, what do we get for the hometown person

"to the person that comes up to read the hometown "and Karen comes something magical? Do you want to tell them about it?" I would love to thank you, Georgia. This is creative cooking with the aluminum foil.

[Laughter] It's a wonderful recipe book from, I don't know if you looked it up. My guess is 17. I think it was 16. Some thing.

What's your guess? 69. Okay, $15,000. Yeah. That's always our bet.

We never do less than that.

Can you see? Ah, 67. Yeah. You're closest. All right, well I win.

I win the cookbook. That's weird. Oh, you don't want that money, okay. Oh, I marked two recipes. Okay.

There are special. One is molded seafood salad. [Laughter] Look at Jello mold. Where's the aluminum foil command?

It doesn't matter. You eat it. You tear it up into tiny pieces. You make a thing out of it. You scrape your tongue off after you eat it.

Because it's so disgusting. You actually put it on the orange zest stir. You use it to make it into a key to unlock the handcuffs you've been put in. That are for speeding it in.

“I thought you meant unlock the key to the front door of the meat state.”

You're the one. [Laughter] Also tuna tempties. [Laughter]

Can you just read what's in a tuna tempting?

A quarter pound of American cheese cubed. Yes. Right off the fucking bat. Why don't they? This is before integrations.

Because today, if it was a book like this, it would be a Velvita brand key. [Laughter] This is, okay. This is by Eleanor Lynch, by the way.

Oh, hell, yeah. A can of tuna. Great. The green pepper. You got some greens in there.

Nice. An onion. A pickle salad dressing. Salted hamburger or frank further bun. Oh, hamburger buns.

Oh, sorry, wait. What, where'd we go? [Laughter] Ready buns? I think it's just a tuna mout.

And we made a better name now for it. But that's the kind of thing my mom would make. She would call it catches catch can.

“And she would just combine everything that was in the pantry.”

Should be like, you know, we're going to have tuna sandwiches on hot dog buns. Sit down. [Laughter] It's going to be so fun. [Laughter]

No. No. No. Yeah. No.

[Laughter] And that's that. And there's just one final page by the Alzheimer's Association in the back. It's like, don't eat anything in this rest of people. [Laughter]

If you care about your memories. There's literally a single page marked salads. [Laughter] It's pretty great. It's probably not my favorite thing.

It's just like, whatever salad you make, go ahead and put in some aluminum foil on top of that bowl. [Laughter] Put it in the refrigerator. The refrigerator.

The refrigerator. Does Stephen think he were kidding when you said to put that one slide up. He didn't mount it because he wants this slide. He wanted it up. So it better be up.

Because he made it. He took, I don't know how long it takes to make this ship. But whatever it is, he's not getting fucking paid for that time. [Laughter] We ask him, hey, if there's anything interesting going on

and the towns were going to give us a little fucking email about it. We don't know what's going on at the time. Anywhere. Not even on our own town. Yeah, exactly.

So we're just like any update stuff that we need to know. Whatever. And Stephen, in his, we called Hague started calling it the Hague. It's sarcasticly. And today is one of the pieces of information about clawing this.

Don't say what I want to show them. Is connected to, then he goes, maybe you guys want to use this slide. Of course, I am immediately response. Yeah. Is it a yes? Go back one, okay.

Vince, then on it.

Yeah. Holding it down for us. We need to do that.

There's some money here from your town.

Let's really special. And so. Hey. Hey. Look.

Stephen. They're not at you. Welcome to Flavor Town. People who already live in Flavor Town. He made it.

We've made it to Flavor Town. Boom. I don't know.

“What if I just didn't know how to high five this whole time?”

Also, it's, um, which's very funny is within the little paragraph. Uh, Stephen included the factoid that his real name is Guy Ferry. Like a boat. Yeah. People are bummed.

I'm sorry. There's a bunch of Italian Americans in the audience. We're live it right now. Yeah. I'm not having Cleveland.

Remember? Oh, yeah. Remember when you weren't there? Anyway. Tell it.

I don't know. It's a good funny anecdote. So it was on. Get your hand off your hip and tell these people that story. Hey.

Yeah. I was in Cleveland with a fancy food show. And he was really nice and invited myself and my friend Ali. We did cocktails on stage to like make a cocktail versus fans.

And it was really scary because I'd never been in front of more than like 30 people on a stage in my life.

And it was like the size of this room. Yeah. Now I don't care. But, uh, we did. And we brought this cocktail.

And I was just like Thanksgiving. Yeah. I'm cocktail. And whoa.

“She went to shake the cocktail and the top flew off.”

And I am flew all over everyone on stage. Including Guy Ferry. Blend it up, yeah. cocktail. With whiskey.

Shit. And the crowd was mad at us. Because we spilled a game on their Lorden savior. He was really nice. He never spoke to us again.

He was very. Oh, he didn't do some follow up. Hanks and emails. He didn't want to hang out after that. So weird.

I thought Hollywood was different than that. Do what did he say on stage when things spilled? He laughed. He was very sweet about it. There's a photo of me in a vintage dress hugging him with the AM while

over the place. He was very sweet about it. He didn't do any hand gestures or anything. He didn't go like this. You know.

No. No, man. I'm not a fan. I don't know what he said. It's kebab.

I don't watch his stuff. I just love him. It's definitely kebab. It's kebab. It's not kebab.

I don't know. Oh, my mom. Should we sit down? I guess so. I don't.

I know it's cold weather. Business. But I just don't. I can't keep a shoe clean in this cold weather situation. Every time I look down, it looks like I've been going like this on my shoes.

I swear I haven't. I thought you didn't have shoes on because they look like Yepsox on. But you don't. I'm just wearing my gym jams. Oh, they used the good tablecloth.

Thank you. Oh, great. Oh, yeah. This was not balled up in the back of someone's car at all. They were probably like, what?

What the fuck did they need a tablecloth? No one was driving about a tablecloth. Vince was not saying it was on the rider. Nobody was doing that. No.

What? And they want to rug. Get the fuck out. We don't even know who you are. What is a podcast?

When the arts was being alone on stage. Jesus. Everybody knows that live podcasts are made and broken by the oriental rugs that they're done upon. I'm sure for a second. Our worst show is when we were on a, uh, by key rug.

That's not true. Oh, those weird patterns, squares and stuff. So distracting. Yeah. Okay, we're back.

“Karen, do you remember being Columbus and at the palace theater?”

I genuinely remember a lot of that show. I know what I was wearing. Is that fucking weird? I have a photo of me from that night of what I was wearing. Yeah, it's not weird for you at all.

That's kind of how you file things, right? Yeah. I just remember the build.

It was just a hit show from the second it started.

Like you felt it just take off. It was calm. You know what I think really helps with that? Like, I remember being Columbus that day and looking around. I mean, like, this is such a cool city.

I've never been here. Like, who knows if I'll be back here. But I fucking like this place. And then going into do the show after having gotten to know the place a little bit. Yeah.

It's like such a, like, oh, we're just doing this for friends. Exactly. And that rad vintage story we went to. Totally. I absolutely remember that.

And then like, if you go do things that day, you run into murderinos or who are, you know, you inevitably run into murderinos.

Yep.

“It feels much more casual, like home-towny.”

Exactly.

You know, you're looking out into that darkness,

but you know who you're talking to. Yeah. You've got to be gotten some advanced diplomats from the culture who came to meet me as the thrift store or whatever. Right.

Really quick. Maran looked it up. Flower child vintage is still open in Columbus. You can go there. Hell yeah.

Yeah. It's in the Italian village. Specializes in 20th century clothes furniture housewear's in the core. I think it's the one where I went. I need to get a you haul truck.

Come here. Yeah. And then just drive back to LA. Fill it up in Columbus because it was like, yeah.

It's ridiculous. Yeah. It was good. So much good shit. All right.

Should we get into it? Yeah.

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I go first. You go first. Okay. Okay. You guys.

Okay. You guys.

“Are you ready for your angel of death, Donald Harvey?”

Oh. Oh shit. Oh shit. It's right. Okay.

April.

I know about all angels of death.

Yes. They love a transition lens. I'm just fucking. They love an 80s man. Teacher glasses.

Situation for themselves. After an evening? I mean, yeah. Exactly. They're like, I might want to step outside the hospital

door and have a quick smoke before I go kill my more people. But I don't want the trouble of changing my stuff. Change into different glasses. Yeah. That's my maintenance.

Help me lens crafters. They all say. Okay. It's true. God, I don't want to disappoint you.

What's the photo? I have a photo of him. Okay. We'll take a look. In April 1987.

Dang. Where's Karen in 1987? Oh, 87. That's senior year of high schools. So I met the bottom of a Mickey's big mouth.

Trying to explain someone to someone. Probably, I'm trying to explain to my father how the words of Hashemode's people are actually about him and his racist problems. Oh. Listen to the words dad.

Do you hear that? People are people. It doesn't matter. And I swear to God, this was a real conversation my dad and I had. And the tape was in the tape deck.

And I was crying outside of my dance studio. Telling him to listen to the words and find my dad. And I went to say something else because I get it. Be nice to people. Children 87, baby 87.

All right. Well, in 1987 at Drake Hospital, 44 year old John Powell. He had been in a coma for several months ever since a motorcycle accident. He died from complications of pneumonia. You know, hi, I would turn out that when you're in a car accident, an autopsy is required.

So that is a good idea. Yeah. Insurance companies, man. They are fucking on it. In it and on it and about it and around it.

Loving it. Okay. So coroner Dr. Lee Laman. He's a forensic psychologist. He has a background in biochemistry.

So he's probably a blast of parties. He's like, yes, what this one will do to you. Take it. Zip Zap. So he's like great.

Probably getting ready to go to lunch. He's like, I'll just do this one real quick. It'll be fine. And no big deal. But no.

Turns out he's suddenly smells the faint smell of almonds. Oh, shit.

It's a fucking almond croissant. Yeah. It's cyanide.

“And did you know that only 60% of people can smell that cyanide?”

Oh, wow. Wow. Interesting. So he hadn't been one of those people. You know.

I wonder if that's part of being a doctor. Like a doctor. After you take your boards. Then there's a smell test.

They never talk about it.

Yeah. But they make you pay for school and take your boards. Yeah. Then they make you smell it. And then they're like pulling out that croissant.

Like, let's see if you're going to be a doctor. Oh. Sorry. Go see a dentist. That's right.

That's right. I slammed dentist. Karen's got a deep sea that made sure. I do. I'm going to be fucking teeth.

Okay. So authorities were like, oh, shit. And they start looking into John's family. Of course. Friends.

They all take light detector tests. And nobody had been giving him cyanide. It turns out they were a great liar. No.

“And then they were like, well, let's check all the people who couldn't contact with him at the hospital.”

Of course.

So all the nurses and everyone, they are cleared.

And then when it's this dude's Donald Harvey's turn to take a light detector test. He's fucking sick that day. Oh. Red flag. It's 87.

So how did he call in sick? What's up? Top and bottom. Yeah. The entirety of the phone.

So when they question him, he immediately is like, yeah, I fucking did it. Immediately? Yeah. He doesn't try to lie. He's like, I did it because I felt bad for him.

He was suffering, etc. Well, blah, blah, blah. And so police are like, okay, great. And but they didn't know it at the time. But they had just ended the run of one of the most prolific serial killers of all time.

Oh, Donald Harvey, the angel of death. Of all time, Columbus. Yeah. They're like, we've got a ton of those. Don't worry about it.

He's not the only one. Um, so Donald was born.

It's also, he's never mind.

What? Tell me the secret in front of them. Okay. Well, he worked in Cincinnati. I just didn't want anyone to be mad.

I can't.

“She said I just, I just didn't want anyone to be mad.”

You can't control them that way. If I don't say the word Cincinnati, everyone will stay happy the whole show. They don't even know what they're cheering for. [Laughter] Sign in I?

What? What? I love sign in Cincinnati. Okay. Donald Harvey is born in Butler County, Ohio in 1952.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Such a nice county. Man in the Tuxedo's there the whole time. He's leading everyone to their seats. In Butler County, everyone has a personal usher all day.

[Laughter] They're known for it. Uh, he, okay. Shortly after his birth, his parents moved to Boonville, Kentucky. Small community.

Yeah, up in the balcony. Boonville, baby. Yep. [Laughter] I don't know.

Six months old. Father falls asleep while he's holding him. Clonk hits his fucking head. Oh, dad. Falls asleep.

Yeah. Exactly. And five years old. Sorry. I could have done it with an actual kiss.

[Laughter] That's not improv. I do it with my hand and immediately just your real suit. [Laughter] Lost opportunity.

Let's do it over. Okay. And then at five years old, he has another fucking head injury. Just saying I'm not saying one leads to the other. Does it fit there?

Sorry, it doesn't fit there. So his mother, Goldie, and just said he was brought up in a loving family environment. He was a happy child. All his... looks like all his teachers were... Buddy was great and he had a great childhood.

But then it's like, no, actually. He was molested from four years old to 20 years old. What the fuck? By two different fucking men. His uncle and his fucking neighbor.

So I think mom is golden. Goldie over her eyes more than anything else. She's doing a little bit of it. We had the best time. By the way, we forgot to tell the rules that this is a true crime comedy podcast.

We're not laughing at the... I guess we're laughing at it. It's too late. It's quite too late. Please buttler yourself out if you don't like it.

[Laughter] If you raise your hand, someone will come grab you. But also if you were the mother of someone who ends up being one of the most prolific serial killers of all time, you're going to go into fucking full denial mode anyway. Sure, you're probably very good at it.

It's no one's fault. It's not my fault. Certainly not my fault. But he was well-liked by all his teachers. But it seems like he was better with adults than with children.

You know? Me too. [Laughter] He was super smart. But he was bored, so he drops out of high school.

In 1970, his mother asked him to take care of his sick grandfather,

And he's like, great. I'm there. I'd love to be there. I love it.

“I think he's like 18 years old at this time.”

Which, what, 18-year-old doesn't want to go? God, is it a, is some kind of a convalescent hospital? That would be perfect for there. Absolutely. That's my summer vacation.

He spends a lot of time at the hospital. So much that the nuns who worked there, like love this guy is a sweet baby angel. And so one of the nuns asked Harvey if he wanted to work. There's an orderly.

And he's like, yes. And then she's laughed him across the videos. Is that what they do? Yeah. [ Laughter ]

800 people just had flashbacks in those audience. [ Laughter ] 300 people, yeah, those got to be. Okay. Even though he wasn't trained as a nurse,

his duties required him to spend long hours not long, but at a lot of time with patients alone, some of his duties included changing bedpans and starting catheters and passing out medications. The fun stuff.

It's party time. Yep. This is his version of MTV Sprinkbird. [ Laughter ] Just fucking stoked.

During one evening, just months after he started working at the hospital,

Donald commits his first murder.

[ Laughter ] And here he is tonight's ladies and gentlemen. Please say hello. Was that death?

“I think that was actually the grim reaper.”

Is here tonight. The grim reapers, like, yes girl. Kill them all, bitch. [ Laughter ] Slay them all.

Literally, slay them all. [ Laughter ] Okay. Here's what happens. And tell me how you'd feel about this.

Okay. Donald goes into this patient's room to do what to check on him. He had had a stroke before. Goes into this patient fucking ribs.

Feces all over Donald's face. What? [ Laughter ] So I don't like that. [ Laughter ]

If that's the question you're about to ask me. He comes angry, losing all control. Later he says, "The next thing I knew, I'd smothered him." Okay. It was like it was the last straw.

I just lost it. I went to help the man and he wants to rub that in my face. No, he doesn't want to. Following the murder. So Ben Harvey, then he cleans up the patient.

Takes a shower real quick.

“And then tells the nurses that the guy was dead.”

And no one ever questioned it. He said, "Just three weeks." That's his first word. He just three weeks later, he kills again when he disconnected an oxygen tank to an elderly woman's oxygen.

What do they call it? [ Laughter ] When no one suspected him, he starts to get more brazen. He is a various techniques to kill. He uses a plastic bag to suffocate patients, more faint and variety

of other drug overdoses.

In the first year, he kills more than a dozen patients.

Yeah. They want to see a picture of him. [ Laughter ] She's asking me. [ Laughter ]

Doesn't he look like a fucking Brady? [ Laughter ] That's right. Mike? No, the middle one.

It's Greg. Peter? Peter? He's the Brady. They keep in the sub-basement.

[ Laughter ] Look at how bright and cherry his eyes look. [ Laughter ] What is he thinking about? [ Laughter ]

He sees Jesus. [ Laughter ] Can you imagine being in a bed in a hospital and then those eyes come into you? Do you need some juice?

Yeah. I'm feeling better. He just popped out of bed. [ Laughter ] Oh, the fever's broken.

Bye. Okay. God damn. Okay. Um, mmm.

It doesn't taste in a year. Okay. Around this time, he starts a relationship. He starts a relationship with a man named Vernon Minn. He is an older man.

He's married with children. And he's an undertaker. Oh, my God. Check, check, check. [ Laughter ]

A little bit, a little bit hacky. [ Laughter ] How much older? I think he was in his 40s. Oh, okay.

Um, so he tells him about all these different ways to kill people and things that will affect, you know, so he learns a lot from the center taker. Um, he also learns about how to talk about something at all of that, you know?

[ Laughter ] He also introduces Donald to his favorite pastime. Vernon's favorite pastime, the occult. Oh, you know. Mine too.

I think this is him. The picture of the occult right here. [ Laughter ] I don't know. I watched this, like, cookie documentary on YouTube about it,

and I had to stop it and take a screen grab of this amazing photo.

You're so, like, either way. And then there was also, like, it was one of those documentaries that, like, they say a line dramatically, and then they show, like, some stock footage of, like,

you know, and then they went to the police, and you just see, like, a car, like, driving,

but then they're like, and he was into the occult,

and it just shows, like, a, like, pentagram with the word occult across the front. Yeah. It was, like, a cult. And it's like, okay.

And then this -- Oh, that's the occult. That came up, and so I was like, "Well, they need to see this." So this is, you think it could possibly be the undertaker,

like, on the weekend. Uh-huh.

“That's what they -- that's what they made it seem, like.”

This is him just on, like, on the fun. Let's all go out. Hold on, let me put it on on my upside-down crucifix. Yeah. Real quick.

Or it's a -- they wouldn't have had a rocky horror picture show live. I don't know. [ Laughter ] All right. Well, so, okay.

Um, he gets -- so, then, um,

Oh, he gets a -- he gets a spiritual guide when he -- He joins the occult as well. [ Laughter ] Um, and he gets a spiritual guide named Duncan, who was a doctor and his past life, a ghost, I guess.

That would assist him with figuring out who to kill. What? She's like, "That's not real." So he joins the occult to him. [ Laughter ]

See, in a circle. [ Laughter ] And immediately as, like, I love killing, and I kill. And then there are, like, here's great ways to do it. No.

I -- it's just like -- it looks like ghost guide. Oh, oh. You know what I mean? Okay, it's in his head. It's in his back in the head.

Sorry. It's actually at the occult meeting, sitting in a circle and folding chair. Duncan, you've got a meter friend over here. He's gone.

Does anybody have any ideas about new ways to kill? [ Laughter ] Yeah. So he gets -- Donald gets caught burglarizing when he's drunk, one night, which I'm sure is,

“like, the worst way to burglarize is when you're drunk.”

Yeah. Right? Into a house? I think, like, I don't know. I know an apartment building.

No, I save drunk burglarizing for just shoplifting at CVS. [ Laughter ] That's -- we pick CVS up and then we put them back down. That's right. Right, in their place.

[ Laughter ] So he gets caught. You know, he has to leave his job because of it. It's a story. And he enlists in the Air Force.

So it's a perfect solution. [ Laughter ] They called Air Force. He serves less than a year before he's discharged in March of 1972. After he's released, he has a severe bout of depression,

which he does throughout his life. He attempts suicide. And in 1972, he commits himself to the mental ward of the Veterans Administration in Lexington, Kentucky. [ Cheers and applause ]

You guys are on the mental ward, too? Right. They're on our way to pass. While they are -- he receives -- over the course of a few weeks, received over 21 electric shock therapies.

I really hate those parts of like old mental hospital movies when they're like -- they're laid down on someone's holding a hood. [ Laughter ] Right. That's the fucking worst.

Okay. [ Laughter ]

After we didn't just think about it first.

[ Laughter ] After working various jobs where he didn't kill anyone, that's where I summed up because it was like he worked all this time. I'm above it if it just -- he didn't kill anyone. Yeah.

That's the job. He moves back to Cincinnati in September 1975, where he gets a job working in night shift at the Cincinnati VA Medical Hospital. He works at the -- that hospital you're against.

Is it haunted? [ Laughter ] Because you know some bad shifts about that now. He works as a nursing assistant, housekeeping aid, cardiac catheterization,

technician, and autopsy assistant. Get in there, buddy. [ Laughter ] So he worked at night. He had no supervision.

He had access to all areas of the hospital, which sounds horrible.

“So if you work in a daytime, you have to have a certain kind of pass.”

You have to be a doctor to be on certain words. And then after 11, all those rules just go away. And it's just like whoever wants to be here gets to be here. Do your thing. [ Laughter ]

Free for all. Yeah. Over the next 10 years, Donald Harvey murders at least 15 patients, while working at the hospital. He keeps a precise diary of his crimes.

Takes such on each victim, detailing how he murdered them. He presses plastic bags and a wet towel over the mouth and nose. He sprinkles rat poison in patients' desserts. [ Laughter ] He puts arsenic and cyanide in orange juice.

He injects cyanide into intravenous tubes. And all the while he's studying medical journals for hints on how to kill people and how to conceal his crimes. And here's how he studies. [ Laughter ]

Laser eyes burning each page. [ Laughter ] But at this point, he doesn't just keep his murdery stuff to his patients. He, in the early 80s, he moves in with his liver, Carl Howler,

and soon, so he finds out Carl's going out on Sundays and like, hook an up with dude, other dudes, and he gets pissed. So Carl starts getting sick on Sundays.

Oh, my God. The old Sunday flu? Yeah.

“After you have your croissant, and then you're --”

I feel weird.

Because Donald starts slipping him small doses of arsenic,

so that he wouldn't be able to leave the apartment. Then Carl has a female -- the boyfriend Carl has a female BFF, and Donald, of course, is like, she's getting in the way. I have a relation. That's right.

The crazys. The old hag comes in and is like, "Can I see that croissant, please?" [ Laughter ] Carl, for instance, like, a psychotic murderer. Yeah.

The psychotic murderer is like, "I'm going to kill this bitch." Right? So he, okay, this is so fucked up. Hmm. He doesn't kill her, but he retaliates the way any same person

would by infecting her with hepatitis. [ Laughter ] Uh-huh. This is guy is not chill. [ Laughter ]

He's gone. They catch it and treat her. He also tried to infect her with AIDS, but it didn't work. She's a screw. What the fuck?

What the fuck? What? They're just going to the beer bust. It's not that big of a deal. Yeah.

Let them party.

“Another neighbor who Donald thought was getting in between”

him and Carl was Helen Mech's girl. She's a six-year-old woman, Donald Mech's her pie. Laced with arsenic. She's a guy. She dies.

So he's just basically trying to kill everyone all the time.

Uh-huh. Okay. In April 1983, Donald has an argument with Carl's parents. His boyfriend's parents. Uh-huh.

They pissed him off. So he starts to poison their food with arsenic. Carl's father Henry suffers a stroke. He's taking the hospital. Donald visits him.

Puts arsenic in this pudding. Any dies that fucking Jesus Christ. Harvey continued to poison Carl's mother, Margaret. On and off for the next year, but he didn't kill her. Uh-huh.

Uh-huh. Ben. Poor Carl. Then he accidentally kills Carl's brother-in-law. What?

Because his name's Howard Vatter. Uh, Donald made him some cocktails using a bottle of vodka. But Donald, oops. Forgot, had would alcohol in it.

“So he had been like taking tape off of something.”

I don't know. In a vodka bottle. And it was like, let me make shit. But whatever. Is he claiming it's truly a mistake?

He says it is. But do we? Is this the person we believe? No, no. But he says it like, it was a mistake.

Uh-huh. Um, his death is a tribute to cardiac failure. So in January 1983, what? It's just so many people to die around one person. Even if it was like the best sex in your life.

You'd be like, I'm sorry. I have to take a break. Like, I just have to run the numbers. Yeah. Yeah.

Since it's just you and I left. And I know that I'm not killing everybody. Yeah. I-it's just... Hunch.

I should break up with you. And he's like, every time you pull out your creed of cooking with little and foil recipe, someone gets some. Someone dies. Um.

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay. So in 1984, January, uh, Carl breaks off their relationship and asks him to move out, uh, Donald's angry. He spends the next two years trying to kill Carl Jesus.

It would be doesn't. And then on July 18th, 1985, security guards, search Donald's Jim Bag at work. They find a 38 caliber pistol. Hypodermic needles, surgical scissors and gloves.

A cocaine spoon, various medical texts. So a call books and a biography of serial killer's serial killer Charles Subrage. Subrage? He's in the bikini killer. You know what?

No. Of course I had a fucking look him up. Safe to know. A feature officer to my paper. I just spit on you.

Oh, you're taking the bikini killer. I wanted him. Um.

So it's basically they open a bag.

And there's a piece of paper that says, "I'm super guilty." Yes. Yes. All I want to do is continue to kill people. I just, I can't stop killing.

I'm doing it as we speak. And I enjoy it. Come get me. Um. So the hospital's like, look.

Just if you quietly resign, we won't put a mark on your record. Well, like, won't tell anyone at the place you want to get a job in the future. We want you to continue doing this. Just not here. Yeah.

Wow. So he quietly resigns rather than being fired. Nothing about the incident has ever noted his work record. And hospital authorities didn't open an investigation to determine if he had committed any other crimes while working at the hospital.

Oh, it turns out his mom ran that hospital. So. Uh. Seven months later, in February 1986, Donald was hired as a nurse's aide at Cincinnati's Drake Memorial Hospital from, you guys hate it.

No one gives a shit. That's where Cincinnati drops out hard. No way are we supporting Drake. Mm-hmm. What about the singer, Drake?

It's up the grassy. Yeah.

“That's the only way I know he can't not know that.”

That.

And then there was an Instagram picture where he piled up money.

Where I was like, that's not that cool. What? Don't tell him I said that. Please, Steven. You know this is a favorite podcast.

Yeah. Drake is crying at home alone in a bed of money. I'm trying so hard to get away from the grassy. That's $1,000 bill. $1,000 bill.

No. I didn't affection. I didn't affection. No one touches $1,000 bill. Oh, and when you're that rich, it's all brand new.

It's brand new money. Sometimes you go down and you change it at the mend. Just if you feel like. Okay. Yeah.

Good. Okay. That's what I did that. The boot. Okay. From April, 1986, until March, 1997, Donald kills.

26 patients. It's so many. Uh-huh. And tries to kill several more by, let me tell you. I'm going to keep name and name.

Please do.

“Disconnecting life's formations, injecting air into veins,”

which is like the scare. I hate that one so much. That's a bad one. Whew. Suffocation and injection of arsenic, cyanide,

and petroleum-blast-based cleansers. Say that one again? No. [ Laughter ] Is Mace involved?

Based. The petroleum-based cleansers. I don't know what that is. Neutrogena? What's wrong?

I don't know. I just thought it was based. I don't know. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is.

That is like that one. But can you kill her? Yes. They're like, do not use noxima. It will fucking kill your face.

Back to. Okay. We're back to the beginning of this awful story of 1987, April. Donald's like, yeah, I killed that one motorcycle accident victim

because I felt bad for him. That's it. Hmm. Bye.

“And so that same day, though, he had all the PS.”

That same day, he had also killed 82-year-old woman, killed a lead. By feeding her detach-all. With detach-all? That's a job.

That's a check-a-chall. There's this. [ Laughter ]

Third, her gastric tube and in her orange juice.

So he had killed two fucking people that day. Wow. And he was like, no, I just killed that one guy. Because I felt bad for him. Then the best to get her is like, great.

We're going to go look through your apartment. They find like 300 pounds of cyanide arsenic. Made that number up, but it was a lot. [ Laughter ] They find -- so, jars of -- because he was just bringing it from home.

He didn't need to steal it anymore from the fucking -- He's got that top-aware lunchbox. He's got all the different little size containers. Are snakes in this circular one? No, that's solid dressing.

And it's not deadly at all. They find that. They find books on the occult and poisons. And do you tell the count of the murders? Love that.

Like, don't do that, dude. Which is written in a diary. So they come back and they're like, look. Listen. Oh, we look at listen.

[ Laughter ] Something's up, bro. And they're -- and Ohio has the motherfucking death penalty. So you better start pleading. And he's like, okay.

That's transcript. [ Laughter ] On August 11, 1987, Harvey's 25 suits down with investigators and confessed to committing 33 murders over the past 17 years.

Fuck. At the day -- at the days go on, though, that number eventually grows to 70. [ Laughter ] He's just up and check it tillow territory.

[ Laughter ] It's crazy. He said that the reason he got away with it for 17 years was that the doctors that doctors are overworked.

And sometimes don't even see the patients after they die. So he's also kind of blaming it on the hospitals for not checking up on him. And it's so weird. And then you read -- there's like a list of every single person he killed

and some of them are like -- he says he's an angel of death and he's trying to help them. And, you know, they're sick and dying and he wants to save them. And some of them -- you can see that they were actually sick and dying that doesn't mean he was trying to help them.

But some of them -- most of them were not. And he's a monster. They're like, "I just had a nice eye lift. I was going to go live my life." Yeah.

Totally. Although one of his ex-boyfriends had said to him when I'm -- if I get sick and I'm going to -- I'm dying -- put me out of my misery. And he's like, "On it."

Yeah. Because I already am. You've come to the room. And you want, like, your loved one to argue.

No, I would never -- you know, but he's like, "Great, I'll do it."

You're like, "Oh, shit. Do you want error in your tube? Yeah." By 1998, he had been convicted of 28 counts of murder and 7 counts of attempted murder.

Total eventually that he would convicted of 36 murders. 35 men, 11 women, ranging age from 42 to 91. Plus, one conviction for intentional manslaughter, he claimed to have killed 87 people.

And there's probably a lot that we'll never know, obviously.

Just four? Uh-huh. Okay.

He's serving them what's up.

Then, back on in March of this year. He's still alive? No. That was like in the '90s. '88.

Okay. Back in March of 2017, a couple. What's up? Yeah. He's 64 years old.

He's now beaten in his cell

“at Toledo Collection Institute in Toledo, Ohio.”

Shit Toledo. He and he's dies from his injuries two days later. Wow. No assailant is ever identified. And that is your fucking, um, what's it called?

Angel of Death, Donald Harvey. Wow. Like, this is heavy. When they interview those --

when they interview the prisoners that beat him to death,

they were like, no, no, we were just putting him out of his misery. Oh, there's very sickly. It's really weird because in the documentary I did watch. Like, he willingly -- he's just clearly so -- I don't know.

It's so weird. He's interviewed four of this documentary. And he was like, yeah, I'll tell you everything. Like, he really wants to see attention. Yeah.

And he kept her out every time you get in trouble in the past. He'd be like, yeah, I killed a bunch of people. And he wanted to tell people. And he wanted attention for it so badly. And he was like, no, I made this big mistake if I hadn't done this thing.

And it had been fine.

“He's just like so weirdly lighthearted about it.”

Yeah. It's creepy as far. It's crazy. And it looks like a Brady. The whole time.

[ Laughter ] Wow, that was amazing. Great. It's so good. Wow.

Yeah. Thank you. [ Applause ] Okay, we're back. Are there updates for this?

There is an update. In May of 2019, the fellow inmate James Elliott, who was serving time for a series of burglaries, was charged in Harvey's fatal prison beating at Toledo, correctional institution. It's so wow, go from burglaries to murder. Like, you've got to wonder what happened.

Elliott had reportedly sent letters to the blade saying he punched and stomped Harvey when they were in his cell. And so on September 2019, Elliott pleaded guilty to killing Harvey and was sentenced to life in prison. Wow. All right.

This is a great example of how it's great to do the horrible story first and then the next story.

Take that left turn. Yeah. Close on a good story because it's for about to get into one of the all-time greats. Karen's story about the circleville letterwriter. I'm Jake Brennan, and on my podcast Hollywood Land, I revisit some of the biggest stories from Hollywood history, separating the myths people want to believe from the reality underneath them.

Like, I was story of Marilyn Monroe isn't just the story of a Hollywood icon. Marilyn Monroe has become so iconic that her death can only be explained through conspiracy theories. And for some fans who can't let go, these stories have metastasized from conjecture to accept it fact. So on August 4th, 1962, Marilyn Monroe died. Then the rumors started and she died again.

And now we're going to set the record straight and learn about the way Marilyn Monroe actually died. The third way. Learn more about what happens when fame, media obsession, and conspiracy collide. Listen to Hollywood, man. On the eye, I heard radio up, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

It's Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. This season, we've got some awesome guests ready to do a lot of advice. Guess like Tiffany Haddish. Kind of slide into people's DMs. I like Bumble.

Awesome. Girl farmers only.com. That's states, sales, funerals, options. Are usually good. There's a lot of good man.

They're gross to restore his near gems. Darcy Cardin. Remember being like, "I know this is good advice, but I really don't want to do that." So you didn't take her. I didn't take her advice.

Are you still friends with that woman? No. She actually was kind of toxic. Neil DeGrasse Tyson. I spent my whole life looking up.

I was a geek kid. I had a tall scope at age 12. So you didn't have sex for a long time. Cherry O' Terry. Were you a soap opera person?

Young and restless. Okay.

“First of all, you should know it's the young and the restless.”

I can't even believe your misprasing. Someone was abbreviated because we've been so worried about you. T.S. Madison. Are you into poly? No.

No. I don't think so. No. I could have told you. No.

I'm not. You're okay. You're just into poly. Just based on what she's wearing and the way her hair is style. She's not into poly.

Great. On a Ferris. Dave Franco. Madeline Klein. Hannah Gatsby.

Adam Scott. Wanda Sikes. And more. Listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeart Radio app.

Hello.

“It's me, Anna Sinfield, from the girlfriends.”

The number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the centre of their own stories. I'm back with more one of interviews with some truly kick ass women on the girlfriends spotlight. I want to introduce you to Sylvia. I'm going to climb it. And then there's for Saka.

Let's see how we can stop killing and see her waves. Layler, dear to ask the question. His badness hereditary. And finally, will meet Rosamund. If it wasn't for the air, where Ella lived, she wouldn't have died on that fatal night.

You'll even get to meet my mum in that one who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground.

What are you talking about? Listen to the girlfriend spotlight on the iHeart Radio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm going to do the circle the letter writer. Do you know this one?

You don't know? Is it the one with the, you know what? You should tell it to me. Okay. You guessed it.

Okay. For as long as you can. Okay.

“I'm always at the circle of your letter writer.”

Yes. I know that one. No, I know. Oh my god. Oh my god.

Okay. Here's the best part about this is one. So I thought for us one day that I was going to do the horrible murder of Don Baghdaro from Pantera and damaged plan. And when I started reading this book and story, it was so awful.

And then I emailed my friend Brian Pussain. He's a standup comic, hilarious standup comic. Looks like friends with them. Huge metal fan. No, but he's it.

He, I've known him since I was 20. And he is the, he just, like, metal fan in the world. So I was like, hey, got me any, you know, insider tips on Don Baghdaro's death before I knew anything about it. And he wrote me back one of the saddest emails.

I've ever read where he was just like, it was so fucked. It affected the metal community. So badly all of my friends that are a metal bands think about it before every time they go on stage.

It like, we always do a cheers to him once a year on the anniversary of this death.

And I was like, lightly crying in my hotel room. I had to change my murder. And he's like, well, thanks for bringing that up. Yeah, exactly. But it was also very sweet because he was like, I was like, thank you for that insight and

information. He's like, I just want regular people to know that like metal fans are gross and we really have feelings in care. [ Laughter ] It was the sweetness.

And yet saddest thing in the world. I know I love it. So the circle's a letter writer. So fascinating. And luckily, and amazingly, there is a Dennis Farina hosted on

Solve Immurder and Solve Mysteries about it. And it's the first one on that episode. So you know it's a good story.

“I don't think I know it because I think the one I was thinking is newer.”

Okay. So let's do this thing.

So the way I found it was then I had to go after I abandoned the Pantera murder.

That's that. See, that's inaccurate. He was in damage plan. Do you see how much I could fuck that up? I went online and they actually found an article that entitled "The Mysterious and Unsold"

Five Columbus Mysteries worthy of a podcast. [ Laughter ] Shit. You couldn't have sent that my way? I know.

No, I took them all to myself. You're took them all right now. I'm mine. It was written by a guy named Zoe Miller and his bio. In his do you know that guy?

It's a great article. Please tell him I liked it. Can I give a shout out really quickly to my article? Yes, Julie. No, it's okay.

Get in there. Stephen, can you cut this and paste it up top? I'm really excited to tell you guys about this. I found a lot of information from murder pedia. From the article from serial killer calendar.com.

Oh, thanks guys. Serial killer calendar. I wonder if I do a serial killer today. I don't know. I like all.

Okay, now we're back in. Okay. So Stephen, right here. Zoe Miller on his bio on this, the Columbus Navigator website who he wrote this article for. He said, in his bio, he says the struggles daily with his addiction to cats.

I thought you'd like to know. Yeah, hi. Hi to you, my friend. Oh, man. But most of the information that we're about to hear came from a local journalist.

They're Martin. Yeah, to reported on this story. Thank you for the background.

He did all the work and was kind of there for this whole story.

“And he's also live in the Unsolved Mysteries.”

It's very cool. So you can see him as talking head when you look up that episode. Okay. So Circleville, Ohio is a small city 25 miles south of here. Thank you.

The population is around. Well, I got on the Circleville Pumpkin Show website. Truly, one of the most beautiful and informative websites I've ever seen. No joke. So every year, they have the Circleville Pumpkin Show.

Oh. And what's that again? So on the Circleville Pumpkin Show website, it says their the population of Circleville is around 12,000. Other websites said 14. If Circleville says 12, it's fucking 12.

So every year, the third Wednesday through Sunday in October.

They have the Circleville Pumpkin Show. Let me know. Yes. Sure for it every time. This year, it's from October 17th to the 20th.

So as of today, 256 days for the Pumpkin Show. It's a countdown. There's a countdown on the website. Love it. Just beautifully designed website.

Everything's in a little square. So easy to navigate.

“The fall festival has 100,000 visitors a day.”

I want all this snacks. What do you think they have? Okay, I'll tell you there's pictures on the fucking website. Are there corn dogs? Of course they have corn dogs.

Is there pumpkin flavored food? Yes. That's the whole boy. Oh, it's like pumpkin. Like a pumpkin?

Yes.

Girl, this is squad Gord's times five.

Oh, great. It's right. That's where they have pumpkin, thuck, and arts, and crash. There's a really cute picture. Remember those weird collages you made.

Like in kindergarten where there's like little piece of paper in different colors. And you'd glue it to a thing. And because you were so young, that was how you made art. So it was like your teacher made the pumpkin. Then you were just like pieces of paper with glue.

They have like a wall of those. On the website. It's on my bio doll. The kids.

“Those are arts and crafts for drunk adults.”

What are you crying with me? So good. Everyone has glue on their face. There's rides. Cool.

Full on rides. Cool. There's, as I said, arts and crafts displays. And then of course one lucky young lady. We'll be named Miss Pumpkin Show 2018.

Which if that is a beauty contest, where you're the most beautiful, if you're the most shaped like a pumpkin. Fucking, I wanted already. I already. I'm in it.

And if you have like kind of widely spaced teeth, I'm in. Fucking. I am Miss Pumpkin Show every day. And on top of everything, there's a fucking giant pumpkin contest. Am I right?

Oh my god. Check it out. Here's last year's winners. In the center, you have Cecil Westin. The champion.

That fucking pumpkin weighed 1,701 pounds. Oh my god. Cecil nailed that shit. What do you think he was putting in the ground?

But then, second place, that's Bella Ligget.

Bella. Hers. She was only 200 pounds behind. Like 1500 and 62 pounds. Pumpkin, then, of course, over there, you know Mark Hoffines.

His pumpkin was 1,155 pounds. Yeah. You got to love the fucking lady. He breaks into the pumpkin business. Oh, you know.

Everyone knows that a fucking masculine thing it is. It's the pumpkin show business. It's Mary Toxic. Oh. And Bella's like, fuck it.

This is my dream. Yeah. You can't keep me down. Yeah. My pumpkin is humongous.

And none of you can change it. It's just a fact. Or you cannot shame me out of this contest. No. And then it turned out that...

Which one was our scandal? Yeah. She tried to, um, she tried to hit Cecil in the knees. No. She fucking, Tonya Harding Cecil right before.

And then someone's like, Bella. It's the pumpkins that get weighed. It's not about, it's not about his skating. Wow. That was a roller coaster.

Oh, god. A roller coaster. They have roller coasters. And the zipper. And it's right there on the street.

It's just crazy. So you could like, live here. And then there's just like, a fucking... Ferris Reel in your front yard. Did you just say Ferris Reel?

A Ferris Reel. That's my, my dentures are just kicking in right now.

Yeah.

I love that they call it a show and not a contest or a festival.

Hey, I'm sorry. I'm a controller. I don't know. Get out. Get out of my slideshow.

It's a game. I have to control everything.

“What didn't you like about the pumpkin still being there?”

I wanted to look at it. You're trying to keep yourself from turning all the way around. I don't even know what you said after. Okay. Let's just look at them one last time.

How did they get them there? Where are they from? Are any of these people sponsored by like the people that grow fake foods? Oh, that's a huge accusation, Karen. Are you?

You're talking about what is it called when they take steroids? Yeah. When foods take steroids? No. When people take steroids.

You just can't do it. What? Choosing. Thank you. We look over and this is one of the huge muscles in the front.

I know the answer. It's called Choosing. Come on. Come on. Go on, show.

“Do you like the ice-creamed what into a crowd?”

What did you say? That's what happened last time. I just, we started talking about one city that we're afraid to say because we're going to mispronounce it. And the entire audience just immediately started yelling out names of cities they thought we couldn't pronounce. It was the weirdest thing and so fucking hilarious.

We're like, first of all, we can't understand what anyone is saying.

And then one hero raised her hand. Real polite. And said, "Coyahoga," which was like, "Fuck you." I gotta say that. It was, it was chili coffee.

Yeah. What are they? Who spelled that initially? The fuck. Okay.

I was going to call it Chilakote. Let's play. Let's play. I didn't. So, circleville is famous for its pumpkin.

Look at them. Look at them. Look at them. Look at them. They're larger than anything you've ever seen.

I guess because I was raised because I did for each of the child. And we would go to the fair. Then you go to the fair. Every summer you go to the county fair. We'd live at the fair for a week.

And you fucking walk around as like, "Oh, because it was the 70's. So you'd be like a seven-year-old walking around the fair alone." Like, "Oh, look, a pumpkin display." I guess I'll look at this for half an hour. Who me?

Where's my mother? Just not around. Okay. Back of the RV. She said, "Please don't bother her until dusk."

Again, pumpkin show.com for any of your pumpkin needs. So, circleville is famous for the pumpkin show. But it's also famous for one of the weirdest unsolved mysteries on the globe. I put that. I don't know if it's true.

Well, I guess you got to decide that if it's true to you or not. I got to decide in this moment. Wait. Second only to crop circles. Yep.

Haven't saw those yet. No.

It's the, okay, so this is so amazing.

So in 1977, why did I skip to this next page? And there's so much information on this one. Oh, I put, I put, uh, parentheses, Paul Wendfield. In this sleepy burger. Circleville.

Oh, hi. And the slit. Citizens begin getting letters in the mail. Uh, they're all the letters are written in block print. They all, uh, from an anonymous source.

Uh, there's no return address on any of them. They all have the postmark from Columbus. Or most of them do later on, they, if that changes a little bit. But, um, and they all contain personal information about the recipient. Sometimes that only the recipient knows.

So, Mary Gillespie, as you remember, is a citizen. A school bus driver, a wife, a mother of two. Uh, and she receives some places say it's the first letter. But it, it sounds like they all went out the same time. And people reading these letters got so weirded out.

And sometimes scared. They weren't saying anything.

“Because basically, and I think what's to me, amazing about the story,”

is it's kind of like, uh, it's like people using gossip as the ultimate weapon. You know what I mean? It's like all this. It's the thing that you fear. Like, what do you fear most? Get bless you. What do you fear?

Mine is the plague. I fear that the most. Yeah, but that guy was covered. That sounds like you can use it. His whole arm and his leg to cover.

Thank you, sir. Or me, um, if you're very sad. What if she, you should be very sick. [ Laughter ] I kept thinking about it as I was writing this up of like,

what would you, if you opened a letter that said, I know that you blanked, you blank blank blank. Uh, whatever. And you're reading it in block, weird block handwriting. Just starting to sweat and you just fold it up and put it away.

Like, okay, let's see where this goes.

“Like, that's what was happening in the town of Circleville.”

It's town of 1200 people at the time 11, I mean 1000. 11,000 people, but still tiny. Right? Everybody knows everybody's business. Yeah. Everybody knows each other. So it's such a like, it's such a like live, live ammo thing.

Yeah. So it's just threatening too. It's because like, I don't just know this. I'm like letting you know. But I know.

And I want to do something about it, huh? So that's part of it. So she gets her letter and inside it says so it's in block writing. And I have it here. It says, stay away from Massey.

Don't lie when questioned about knowing him. I know where you live. I've been observing your house and know you have children. Oh, this is no joke. Please take it serious, bad grammar.

Everyone concerned has been notified and everything will be over soon. Horrifying. Terrifying. It's so scary.

Scared. Tell me your worst secret right now. I don't have any. No, I don't have any. Really?

Because here's Shirley. Oh, no, no, no, no. So the Massey that is being spoken of at the top of this is super, the superintendent of schools.

Massey. Renee?

I don't know us first name.

It's super intended in schools.

“So it's a good thing you went to that business.”

It's all one superintendent of schools. That's a nice landing name. Massey. I couldn't find, it's kind of, I actually, it made me kind of happy because I couldn't find pictures of Mary Gillespie.

I couldn't find pictures of the superintendent of schools, Massey. But I did find this. I swear to God, this is a real book cover on Amazon. Oh, my God. This guy, Meryl Massey wrote a book entitled,

"So You Want to Be Is Super." Oh, my God. Why don't we all have books if it's this easy? We can. If you know Photoshop, you can.

So, oh, my God. I'm not saying, Meryl had anything to do with this. We don't know. Meryl? Meryl?

Meryl? Right? Who knows? [laughter] Want to ask him?

Come on now! [laughter] He's up in the balcony, red cheeks. Oh, shit. Not this again.

Keep sneezing into his arms. [laughter] He's allergic to secrets. [laughter] Okay.

“So, of course, she's nervous about the letter,”

but she doesn't say anything. She just puts it away. And then she gets another one. And she's just like trying to handle it, trying to become.

So, then, the next letter that the family receives goes to her husband, Ron. Okay. And it's the same block lettering, a same basic info.

And I'm not sure if it's because it's such a small town,

but in that first letter on the envelope,

it just said, Mary Gillespie, RT circlesville. Circleville, Ohio. Sorry. Circleville, Ohio.

Because you know who's feeling like. No address, no zip code. What's mailman's like? Yeah, I know. We know her.

Yeah. Which is great for secrets. [laughter] No, no, no, no. So, his letter is exactly the same.

And he basically says, "Put an end to your wife's affair or die." So, it's like a directly threatening his life. Oh, my God. So, he confronts Mary,

and then she shows him her letters. She says, "She swears. There's no affair happening." [laughter] So, they try to go, "Okay.

Well, there's something weird happening, but let's just deal with it and go on with their lives."

Then Ron gets a second letter,

and it says, "I'm not sure if I have this one or not." It says, "Gillespie. You've had two weeks and done nothing. It knit the truth and form a school board. If not, I will broadcast it on C.B.'s,

on posters, signs, and billboards, until the truth comes out." [laughter] With, "Oh." [laughter] Stephen. [laughter]

There are some people who thought, because of the block lettering, that he said, "I will broadcast it on C.B.'s." But there is no way for a letter writer from Circleville, Ohio,

In 1977, there were much more of a,

you know, all in the family type of situation. So, they believe that the writer meant C.B.'s. Okay, anyway.

“So, that Ron and Mary are fucking panicking, right?”

This is getting very serious. So, they invite Ron's sister and her husband, Paul Frishauer, to come over, and they show them letters, and they try to make a plan.

They think they know who sent the letters. And so, what they decide to do is, we should, you know, the Gillespie should send a threatening letter back to that. Uh-huh.

Oh, yeah. That's right. Pumpkin justice. Get ready for it. (laughter) Well, it seems like it works because everything goes quiet for a couple of weeks.

And then, on the night of August 19th, 1977, the phone rings at the Gillespie's house, and Ron answers, and he gets into a fight with someone on the phone. So, Mary doesn't know exactly what happened,

because she didn't hear anything exactly,

but he basically slammed down the phone

and rushed out of the house, grabbed his handgun on the way, got into his truck and raced off, and almost immediately like moments away from their house, ran into a tree and was killed. (laughter)

Yeah. So, when the sheriff inspects the scene, they find the handgun that he brought with him. And some articles, they argue this point, but some say that between the house

and the car accident that was moments later, the handgun was fired once, but nobody heard the gunshots. There's no proof that the land did anywhere that anyone could find.

And there's some articles that say, there's no way to prove that that handgun didn't get fired some time before. Right. But at first, that's what they thought.

So, the sheriff inspects the scene, and he declares that it is a foul play is probably involved from what they're looking at. But then the sheriff suddenly changes his stance, and says that Ron's blood alcohol level

was twice the legal limit, 0.16. Therefore, it was an accidental death

that basically he caused himself.

But the family and friends of Ron Gillespie are just like he didn't drink. He was not a big drink, really. And he wasn't drunk.

“Like the kids are saying they remember him”

leaving the house. He was not drunk. So, that him having a really hot, really eye blood alcohol level makes absolutely no sense at all. But that's what the official report is.

And so, therefore, the case is closed. It's an accidental death move on. So, the circles of the writer does not like letter writer doesn't like this. And so, a bunch of letters get sent out saying

that the sheriff, the accusing the sheriff of a cover-up saying don't allow this to happen, and basically saying don't fall for this. This is a cover-up. And Mary continues to get letters

threatening her about the affair until she finally breaks down and admits that yes, she actually was having a affair with the superintendent of schools. But she says that the affair started after the letters came.

[audience laughs] Who? Honey. [audience laughs] Just, she just threw her into his arms.

Yeah, she was so excited. The dress of being accused of this insane thing made me do it.

“It made me go from being totally innocent”

of that thing, too, actually. Just doing the thing. You know how letters are. [audience laughs] Making you do shit.

But she was in this horrible position, right? Because it's this tiny town. Everyone's already talking shit about her because she's the woman who's having the affair, and that's what everybody knows.

What's in that letter at this point. Then her husband is killed in this very suspicious car accident. Suddenly, he's a drunk, he was drunk driving. Like, she is, you know, in the eye of the storm here. So I'm sure she was just trying to make her life

make sense a little bit and be like fine. But I mean, she's, you know, it would have been a horrible position. But she goes back to work. She's driving the bus again.

And one day in 1983, and the letters keep coming. The letters don't stop. To her and people all around the area, the region. So one day, as she's driving her school bus route,

signs start popping up along the street. And one of them, this is the Steven's pull from the Unsolved Mysteries episode that, I don't know if you can see it myself. I don't know if you can see it myself.

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I don't know if you can see it myself. He is a man who has an airtight alibi about the day that this booby trapped sign went up. But it was his gun. He said it went missing long ago.

He hadn't known about it. He hadn't seen it in a really long time. You're missing gun. You know that thing where you buy a gun and then it just slips your mind.

And it goes missing. But I don't know. I think I threw it under my pillow. [ Laughter ] So what the police do is this sweet ass early 80s police work.

They say can you copy this letter? Can you write the way this circle of the letter writer writes? And he was like, "Well, I'm sure give it a shot off a circle." And fucking copies out one of the letters samples that they have there.

And then why would you do that? Why would you do that? Because you're just like, "Okay." Because he basically went in and was like, "I've got an airtight alibi and I didn't do it."

“So I'm here to tell you what you need to know.”

He does the thing.

They're like, "Well, this is amazing."

Because you've got the same penmanship as the circle of the letter writer. But they're under the rest. I've got the table's going to fucking write. We'll do the copy it, though.

Yeah, but he's really good copyer. He's a really good copyer of the-- It's the same block letters in the world, let's see. I mean, oh, sorry. This is one of the only letters that where the writing looks like this.

Just super nuts. And there are some theories that there's more. Do you want to be a superintendent? How many people in here have already Amazon thought this book? People are just like way down low.

I've got to get it. You've got to call yourself that. Follow your dreams. Follow your dreams right now. Oh, fresh hour.

My gun disappeared. That's maybe it's in my mustache. That's even when he lets himself go. Sorry, Steven. I'm sorry.

You're going to meet so mad. Oh, Steven. Okay.

“That's really what most of them look like.”

A crazy ass zodiac style block letters. The sickos will pay. But also don't read that one. But we'll go back a little bit. Should we go back to where we're going?

Go to pumpkins.

“But I just wanted you to see where it's basically.”

A lot of people think the way it's written. It's somebody trying to cover up so nobody recognizes their handwriting, obviously. Okay. So on October 24, 1983, Paul fresh hour stands trial and in court, a handwriting expert testifies that the handwriting and Paul station house copy letter matches the handwriting

and all the circle letters. And he has found guilty of attempted murder and the judge hands down the maximum sentence of seven to 25 years for attempted murder. I wouldn't clap. Because even while Paul fresh hours in prison, the letters keep coming.

And they're sent to people. They're sent to hundreds of people. They're sent to sometimes they contain nude pictures. Sometimes they're very directly threatening really angry, really mean. And sometimes they're typed even.

And what? Oh. That's fine.

“And so the prison authorities can't figure out, since they think Paul fresh hours,”

the circle letter letter, just like every time he has a visitor, they strip search him before he goes into the room.

And then after he comes out, they never find anything.

And also, they don't understand how he's getting. They're still almost always postmarked from Columbus, but the prison he's in was in a different city. So you'd be having, he'd have to be giving them to somebody who would take them to Columbus to the type writing thing.

Can't imagine that there's a typewriter in prison. He's got one hidden behind up the poster of a 40s actress. Okay. So then he receives Paul receives his own circle the letter letter in jail. And it says, all caps.

Now, when are you going to believe you aren't going to get out of there? I told you two years ago, when we set him up, they stay set up. Don't you listen at all. Can I buy it? You don't?

“From what I remember that night, I didn't buy it then either.”

Paul fresh hours ends up serving 10 years in prison. For attempted murder, he's released on May in May of 1994. Oh, we can take a look at his face. Stay there.

And by then reports of threatening letters have basically stopped in circleville.

And Paul maintains his innocence until his death in 2012. So six months after his release from prison, on Solve Mysteries hosted by Dennis Fraena, the new ones, they decide to do a story on the circle of a letter writer. And then a couple days after it airs, they get a letter from the circle.

That's right. That's right. It's this one. And it says, forget circleville Ohio. If you come to Ohio, you else sickos will pay.

Signed the circleville letter writer. Was this when he was, when fresh, fresh hour was dead already? No. Okay. This was in 1994 or five.

Essentially. What I like and what I find interesting is that the circleville letter writer uses colon square periods. And in my mind, I picture them in doing this crazy rage writing. And at the end of every sentence, they're like, that and done.

Like, one period isn't enough for the circleville letter writer. No, yeah. Done. You just have to find the person who screams the last word of every sentence. Yes.

Then you found them. Yeah, that's right. Who's that loud lady at the grocery store? And what's awesome is the introduction Dennis Reina does at the beginning of that episode of Unsolved Mysteries.

He's like, we got our own letter too, but we're not going to be scared of a circle. Okay. I mean, loving him, loving him actively. So, at the end of that episode, Paul fresh hour actually says that he just wants justice for his family, even though the Gillespie's aren't his family anymore.

They've been divorced. And he'd been remarried. He has his own new family. He still wants them to reopen the case of Ron Gillespie's car accident. And he wants to find out what really happened.

Which is a really beautiful thing at the end of that. It's not like he's all bitter and pissed or he's, if he has he saved it. He saved it for off camera. So, over roughly a 20 year span, the circleville letter writer wrote and sent over 1,000 letters in the week and in a round circle.

She's, let's get a hobby. Well, I guess that is a hobby. It's a lot of stamp money.

It's what's interesting is the penmanship never improves.

So, the epilogue to this, which I think is fascinating.

“So, local journalist Martin, yet, who reported on this the whole time,”

he went and looked into the case. He went and looked into the case. He went and looked into the shares files.

And found that there was evidence there that was never introduced in court.

And it's the story that the other bus driver who had this shift, I guess, before Mary's on that school bus route, told her that she had driven the route 20 minutes before Mary had when she saw the sign about Tracy Gillespie's son. Okay. And the sign, when she drove that by that same spot, there was no sign, but there was a large, sandy-haired man who had a orange, yellow, alchmino,

who when the bus went by, he turned away and pretended to be peeing. And she thinks, so that they couldn't identify him. And Martin Ant says that if the sheriff had looked into that, if they had had followed up, they would have found out that one of their possible suspects in the case had a brother who had a yellowish orange alchmino.

Oh, shit, and love to pee and bushes. That's right. And so that is the, as yet, unsolved case of the circle of the letter. Wow. Crazy.

Thank you for that was amazing.

Oh no. Sorry. Sorry. Look at that gorgeous text. What did you press? Sorry. What did you hit? The text eyes pissed.

He's like, look, I went to see the orange alchmino. It's none of your business. Well, it shows over again. Oh, shit. We blew up the projector.

Oh, no. Damn. Okay. We're back, Karen, do you have any updates? Well, here's an interesting update.

The TV show 48 hours re-examine this case in 2021.

And a forensic document expert now believes that Paul Fescher was the circle of the letter writer. Although there are experts in people close to the case who questioned that conclusion. No one's ever been charged with writing these letters. And CBS reports that the Pickleway County Sheriff's Office considers this case closed.

You can watch that episode of 48 hours on CBS. Not com or paramount plus.

“But if you want to know kind of the details and why they think that you can go watch that episode.”

Or you can watch my episode of Drunk History. A.K.A. Drunk Mystery of the Circleville letters. Remember? Oh, I forgot that. Go watch Georgia Tell This Story.

The Drunk Mystery episode. So it's Drunk History season five episode seven. And I had done it before you did this story. And I didn't realize till halfway through the story that I had. I was so drunk that night that I did the Drunk History that I didn't remember what story I told.

What I think is like a good example of what that show is like. Yeah, you really do get blackout drunken. Have to be guided through. It's hilarious. It's a good episode.

The girl who plays the main character is Vanessa Bayer. She's got party sometimes. And I try to make her beat my best friend because she had my voice. You know, she did my voice. We're in the episode together in my mind.

And she's like, right. I get away from me. You're scaring me essentially. There's that girl again. All right.

Well, that's amazing.

“Also, I think the other update is just I do believe that the pumpkin festival is still strong.”

We still have to go. I spent so much time talking about that legendary thing. Yeah. It's sad that we haven't gone yet. Okay.

So now we're going to go back to the live show and listen to the hometown. That Georgia picked that night. I'm Jake Brennan. And on my podcast, Hollywood Land. I revisit some of the biggest stories from Hollywood history.

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There's a lot of good man. Girl's story stores near gems. Darcy Cardin. Remember being like, "I know this is good advice, but I really don't want to do that." So you didn't take her.

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I spent my whole life looking up. I was a geek kid. I had a tall scope at aged 12. So you didn't have sex for a long time. Yeah.

Cherry O'Terry. Were you a soap opera person? Young and restless. Okay.

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Open your free IHeart Radio app. Search Sweet Reel Five and listen now. I think we have time. Yeah, we have time for a hometown murder. No pointing yet.

No pointing yet. Yeah, save it. Karen asks to tell you some stuff. This is important. These rules.

These are for you. And us. And us, mostly us. Okay. You know the ones like you can't read it.

And you can't be so drunk. You can't tell it. And it needs to be local. We don't want to hear about shit that happened in Tennessee. To Ohio would be great.

Right. Yeah. State statewide. And everyone hates you. Okay.

“You have to remember that if you get picked everyone else in the room hates you.”

So that's not the time to shout out all your cousins and stuff. Like just get up here and tell your story like you are on a clock because you are ready. Go. Okay, I'm picking. I'm picking.

We get the lights up a little bit. Whoa. Hi. She looks mad at you. Um.

You hear it in the leather. Yeah. Or whatever that jacket is. Yes. Go this way.

Events. All right. Don't be mad at her. Okay. You can turn the lights down to show us lights.

I'm so free. Bye. Bye. Hi. My God.

What's your name? Um. It's my name is Lauren. Hi. Come on.

I'm from Lauren. Hi.

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Oh, that's really high. Hi, five everybody. Sorry that was about me. Where are you from? I'm from Cincinnati, born and raised, they love Cincinnati, living here in Columbus. Okay, yes little for everyone, what's around you? Okay, so this is the story of my biological father being the prime suspect in the murder of his best friend and college. Okay, and just for a little bit of side note, this was like two years after his born, so life shit won right after the other half of the chapter. But, okay, so this was like 96, 97 happened at Capitol University.

Go, go accused. Yeah, okay, so my bio dad, his best friend, was Tony, who was the only other man in the art therapy department. So obviously they're going to have to bond together because they're the only two men in that department, okay, so he was the last person to see him alive and so like he's dropping off at his apartment at like one in the morning because you do weird shit at like one in the morning. I think he said they were getting haircuts or whatever. You know, so late night super cast with a fuck. No, it's not just right. Anyway, so he drops him off and then his best friend is proceeded to be carjacked and like forced to empty out his entire ATM by a group of three minors, by the way, who apparently each had a rap sheet like a whole page long each.

Okay, you guys hate Cleveland not anywhere near capital universe, but like so while they're investigating this my bio dad is put through all this bullshit. So like when they come to question him, they take him out of his ceramics class and if you work with ceramics.

You know that you're going to wear the like worst clothing class. So they put him in handcuffs and put him in the back of the squad car and take him to like the like to interview him and whatever.

And so like he's looking at like guilty. Like they're working with red claims very unfortunate. But so like they don't let him wash his hands and like drop him back off at class. And so like his like his next class, the teacher asks him to hand out all the graded tests. So each one has like a just a little thing thumbprint and like so now he's looking hell. And like at one point he's like rounding a corner and he hears the like principle of like the college or whatever talking shit about him. And like it's bad because like he's also like the son of a Lutheran minister and this is the Jesuit college.

“Oh perfect revenge. Yeah exactly. But like he clearly didn't do it is what I'm saying and like he clearly didn't do it is what you're saying. That's what you just said.”

But like I'm pretty sure the kids that did it are now out of prison because they were minors at the time that they did it. Do you know how young? I don't know teenagers for sure. Shit. Wow. How did they get caught? I think they just followed the evidence. I don't get it. Damn. Shit. Can I end on a joke? It's a really quick one of course. Okay. This is kind of an awful joke. You're going to feel slightly bad for you. Okay. So why do they not tell jokes about the Reverend Jim Jones? Why? Because the punch line is too long.

Oh my god. You're not making it. Great job. Amazing.

“Wow. That's how you do a fucking hometown egg.”

And then just end with a touch of light humor. Beautiful. A joke that we would get a hate mail for. It was adorable. You're doing it. So we appreciate that because I want nothing more than to say that joke every day of my life. Okay. We're back. Are there any updates on this hometown that you know, Georgia? No, I think it's on the hometown, but I did chuckle just a little bit at that really inappropriate joke at the end.

All these years later or so. It was, I think it was funny and I really liked that she threw it out there to be like, hey. Yeah. And on a joke. Good for you. Lauren, you made us laugh then and you made us laugh now. Lauren, why do you be a part of things? So this episode was originally entitled "Live at the Pallest Theatre in Columbus, Ohio." We have many choices for new titles for this episode.

That person is my favorite. Welcome to Poodle Time. Come on.

“Of course, molded seafood salad is a very important title for us.”

Very good or tuna temp tea, which was your best favorite recipe. Really right. Get out of my slideshow. So you want to be a superintendant or a touch of light humor. That's a great option. So many good ones. Well, that's this week's episode of Rewant. Thanks for listening. Let's go back to Columbus, Ohio on stage to say goodbye.

Columbus, this has been an amazing show.

Here we go. We've had so much fun in Ohio. You guys have been so open and kind and wonderful to us. And we've really appreciate it. We're so happy to be here. We'll definitely be back.

We do say this all the time, but like all the credit we're getting is the work you guys are doing. So like you are becoming all friends with each other. You all are hanging out and having a great time and supporting each other.

It's just this insane, amazing community that's growing up out of

Georgian, I bullshitting on her couch. It's such an honor to be a part of this view. We cannot tell you how much fun we're having and how awesome it is. Thank you so much. Honestly.

And so finally, to wrap up, please stay sexy.

And so, by your guys, thank you. Thank you. Elvis, do you want a cookie?

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