Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 111: Figure It Out, Kevin

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This is the show where we look back on our old episodes from 2018 with all new insights and case updates and pop culture references.

Today we're rewinding to episode 1111, which we named figure it out, Kevin.

This episode originally came out on March 8th, 2018. All right, let's listen to the intro of episode 1111. >> Hi and welcome to my favorite murder. The podcast, your weekly true crime podcast hosted by Karen Kilgera and Georgia Heart Start and that's us.

“And there's Stephen over there on the ones and two, making it even happening or what are you saying?”

He's making it happening or he's making it happening and making it happening or because he took an improv class on knows how to heighten. He sandered, he sandered our external improv that is this podcast. That's exactly what I was going to say and and yes and that's that's correct. The hanging and hey how are you I had I feel like a lot of a lot of actually relevant things happened since we last recorded. >> Yeah for us to catch up on yeah because we yeah because last week we put up a live episode.

>> So we want to miss that week we miss the talking yeah so we have to talk about the Oscar for what a model. >> Well now the one that thing I was going to say which I'm excited to talk about is the four part ID channel series called the golden state killer it is not over. >> Yes I thought it was like it's not over oh that's the full title was yes every time that title card would come up I'd be like it's okay we get it over. >> Yeah so the golden state killer now is on the fucking tip of everyone's lips that's right.

>> Because Michelle McNair's book came out yeah and I'll be gone in the dark which I've been listening to obsessively. >> Yep almost done and I like don't want to finish it so I'm listening to other shit so I don't have to yeah so won't be over yeah yeah because it's not over no I know it's not it's correct it's not over you know it's funny is I so >> Pat knows well who is Michelle's husband. Sent us copies of the book so that we could have it because he knows but I forgot that I'd pre-ordered it long long ago right so I had two copies I was holding yours because he's done both of my house.

>> Then a couple days later I got a third so now me and Stephen all have copies of Michelle's book but the cool news is that Pat and just sent me a picture today of the New York Times book review best sellers list

>> I remember the post that she wrote when she talked about how Iran's original night stalker that it was too confusing and it needed a better title and she it was her idea to call him the golden state killer which is so like forward thinking

>> yes in a way that's like

>> you know this needs to be people need to know what this is because there's all these victims who are not getting the attention that they deserve to have their case of >> so if we give it a better name people will pay attention to it more exactly right so smart something I would ever thought of you know that that's

“>> important why yes she was she was very masterful and the whole her whole approach to it was so good she got cops”

>> start talking to each other to share information is it's very cool story and I'm sure most of people listening this >> are either reading it right now I'm sure right now some way I'm sure that has a lot to do with >> that those numbers so good job you guys I'm so excited and thrilled that she gets that kind of >> remembrance and also that it gets that level of exposure yeah you know is gonna say is that I did channel I was actually looking >> because it's produced so well and it is a company called sirens production which makes me think it's the ladies

but they have survivors they have victims of the golden state killer when he was the he stereo rapist in Sacramento

>> and some people from down here but yeah I'm thinking of those first when the first couple

>> of his like original victims were talking I got really nervous that it was like how is this going to get handled

“>> right and they were the it was just that thing of like people who had been through the”

>> strong people the victims on that we're interviewed here and like the victims family members were >> interviewed as well as strong fucking resilient people it's that are just there to be like we want the >> salt we want anybody who knows anything and we because it's it's really frustrating and like I've needy been there right now from watching that from listening to the book and and of course after you know I've listened I go on Reddit and I read all the message boards and I read all the theories and so I'm kind of

in that phase of like being inside of this in same case and it's really frustrating and angering because it doesn't make any fucking sense that it hasn't been solved that he hasn't been found it doesn't make any sense except for the fact that it was the 70s in the beginning and then he did the classic thing that every time it's like when you switch cities or change jurisdictions as soon as they found that out they should there should be there is enough evidence and I can I'm saying this for like the cops to

there must be so frustrating with this yeah is like to piece those then together and be like okay this is the suspect we thought it was and now he can match him up because he was an Irvine too and it almost would make it more solvable now but it's not well yes because it doesn't there's it's not like there is a database it's that thing where when you try to look anything up from before 1990 yeah there's nothing there because it was all paper or it was documented in some other way

like that was the I loved the fact that they had the detective female detective who worked on it in the 70s who was the woman who was speaking she I was telling Georgia this she was speaking at that very infamous this the town hall meeting where a man stood up said I don't understand this is impossible that anybody could if there's a man in the house that anybody would that their wife would be attacked right blah blah blah and then like a month later that family was attacked just horrifying it and they know

then that meant he was there and he was this really high-level predator but she this detective in this meeting is telling the women in the room she literally says the words don't be polite attack him and try to injure him if you can't all if you get the upper hand in any way try to injure him and what hearing a woman in 1977 totally don't be polite to be yeah we were she says like we've been

raised to be polite and to be and don't do that and Bob yeah yeah incredible and to do to this

day she's a sharp as a tattoo it's amazing she's like right there and she's everything she'd said was just so you know it was very it was all about we need the salute we need the families that have gone through so much that are still living with this weird fear because nothing was resolved that they need that resolution it's just the host the whole story I'm like kind of obsessed with and gives

“me the creeps and I think for you and I it being in California and Northern for you and Southern”

for me and these in our neighborhoods yeah that were from yeah and kind of I think what's so freaky is that he he went to these planned communities that were you know family communities and just

it's just the whole story is a nightmare and the family hasn't been planning yeah like the that it wasn't and the we he's weird there's something wrong with him yes like not just obviously a rapist there's something wrong with him but the stuff that he takes eating uh and hanging out and he's like a he's got some there's you can tell there's some narrative in his head and what's okay and also can we just talk for one second about how what are the odds that you have a story

and a in a case that's this insane and compelling in years long and then one of the lead investigators is just a simply beautiful TV ready detective doctor or a detective holes but every time he spoke I was like your teeth are perfectly white oh my god he looks like Robocop yes he looked you know he

“looked like is hunter remember that old 80's TV show I don't know where the guy they literally”

had the the FCC came and said you have to wear underwear what you never heard about that no hunter

my mom was detective from me uh she was like go to bed mom he's gonna watch hunter well you don't I keep doing in my obsessiveness is like who okay who did my mom date at that time because he was an Irvine in 1986 so I was six years old so I'm like who did my mom date anyone at that time is that who the murderers like so scary so scary um but yeah it's it's just like it's it blows my mind it's it's it has to get solved and how and it's gonna be really exciting when it does

it's also better sweet from Michelle and like listening to the book every time they say or every time in the book it says like the next chapter is accumulated from her notes yeah just hurts me and the heart every time I see that or hear that yeah because it's just

“and then the obsession and and I kind of it reminded me a lot of that obsession that I used to have”

a desktop when I would just sit and read blogs like that and stories like that which weren't written in that way then they were kind of just like stories you had a kind of put together based on you know read it and stuff like that yeah because her writing is so it's true crime written gorgeously yeah so like when I used to read that blog you would just read these stories and like I have all these stories stuck in my head not because oh it's uh it's because she wrote it

almost first person in this way like she got so into what was happening in this person's life

and then they disappeared and it's just she really got what it's like to be obsessed with true to be a person who can't sleep and just is obsessed with true crime yeah obsessed with a case or cases or anything it definitely feels like what people have said to us which is like you've made it you made me not seem like feel like a weirdo because of it it feels like I'm not creep for like for being this obsessed with true crime to the point where I can't sleep at night

well because it's these questions that it's the worst case scenario something happening and then just unanswered questions so it's what what are the events leading up to this how did it happen why did it happen like those are things that it's better than a TV show or something like that it's like it read it and I'm in better it's more interesting and engaging and kind of like this is a fellow human being that just disappeared off the face of the earth and

sorry and it's like and this and that but the way she makes the way she tells the story of the victim and tells you who they are you know before what happens to them happens yeah is it gives it's such a more vivid and such a fuller picture a picture of how horrible it was to be to live in that time to be a victim to live in that neighborhood at the time yeah to be scared I had no clue I couldn't picture until she kind of explained it right yeah she'd like that book starts off with like

her like how it's first started for her and it was because there was a murder in her time it's fascinating how that murder was fucked up to oh my god I can't like start reading it again what you're going to yeah it's very it's it's just a it's bittersweet it's but it's also cool that it's out there and yeah it's gonna be very very interesting to see and that her name will forever be you know when they do catch this guy her name will because they're going to there's no

way it's not gonna happen but her name will always be connected to this case that obsessed her

yes which is and what I also think is cool in that special is how they really featured the what were they calling them the like um the basically the people that were trying to solve it online

“oh citizen slew the citizen armchair slew yeah I think I said which we we laughed every time they said it”

yeah but it sounds so stupid but I'm true I got it and when you like on the surface but those guys

work of all which is just like we went through records this is the company that was building houses at this time like oh they're taking the police evidence and matching it to records and then going

like that thing I mean it's amazing and I think all of that combined the fact that there isn't

some fucking woman coming forward being like yeah so my stepbrother was a creep back then and we might want to look into him really lived in Sacramento our grandma lived in fucking Golita

“and you need to look into him like yeah how is that not happened yet I don't know or maybe it's”

people who don't either some I don't know it makes me think of like someone has a hunch that it's there whatever but they don't maybe they don't want to face it or they don't want it to be real well I said to events when I were talking about this kind of thing I was like and then we were talking about Ted Kizinski's brother is the one who fucking was like you need to look into my brother and that hard that must have been and I was like would you turn in your brother if you found

that so I was going on he was like apps a fucking literally I would and I'm fucking hurt like these people like us that were like yes I'd be so stoked to be like look at that shirt he fucking did it not because I want to my brother to be a murderer but because it's like you can't do that it's not okay but then I was like what if he's that suspects it's something about me and he was like well we'd have to have a long talk like I don't know what that mean you get one final

breakfast right we talk it over I was there to say you get one murder that's it you know and in this relationship I'll give you one freebie it's the murder hole pass no yeah anyway it's just kind of it's just so strange and it's all kind of coming to the foreman but it's also good only happy now but this is an email that's even found for us that just pulled for us Karen Georgia Steven and

assorted pets first off your Columbus Ohio show is great I just wanted to let you know that my husband

greatly appreciated your huge shout out for his website www.pumpkinshow.com

“I think your mention just increased the shows for traffic for this year oh my god the lumber reno's”

were expecting a long arena or expecting to have a meet up at the show oh my god the pumpkin show yes I love it that is okay my husband is a native circle native of circle though and he's been involved with the pumpkin show since the late 90s and is done their websites since then he even purchased a domain he was shit with no one even knew what a domain name was he is also the photographer of the giant pumpkins in your slide and the pictures on the site we were cracking up the whole

time as circleville is serious about their pumpkins it is the oldest and largest show of its kind in the country and maybe the world thanks again for the shout out in the show safe travels around the globe ladies oh my god like going to the pumpkin show yeah right maybe the neon Kevin that's

Kevin's the webmaster for pump www.pumpkinshow.com oh my god that's amazing so funny I love the

reaches just far reaching I mean here's a thing in our experiences when you go onto a website it's a high quality website you you give credit because that credit is due how how many websites are they're out there mm it was just sitting out there excellently mm oh no waiting to be grabbed waiting to be seen and talked about yeah and you know we did it and you did it we did it we all did it together you guys now we start the podcast that's all about life that we wanted to start originally

“remember when we talked about it yeah about pumpkins and life it's basically a podcast where we”

spot a way to sue Kevin for www.pumpkinshow.com and we take ownership called squad boards we can get a hacker to please hack the pumpkin show website oh kidding no don't stop that hacker this hacker's like her hands are like over the keyboard about to be like do do do whatever the fuck they do on she's she's got yeah she's got fingers of the scroll yes and she's numbers are going numbers numbers numbers in her head she's drinking coffee doing lines yeah just like hacking and

they were like wait Melissa hold it don't do that what's her uh hacker name it's um Melissa ate Melissa ate hack your hack your your life it's dark web Melissa dark web Melissa and the dark yeah Liza with his day Liza yeah and that's it that whole thing was her name what we just dot dot net yeah uh hackers really like let us know if you're hacker they're the people who

those are them they're not cool they're always it's always hackers always working cafes

wait I don't want to consult any hackers though because I wouldn't that's all the lights go out I don't like it did you watch mr. robot or remember the hug that shows I did it was good have so good at it's really good uh hackers we love you unite we have a tribute to you they all look like Angelina Jolie in the movie that's right hackers what's the hackers uh the show hackers so my hackers movie hackers no no I know the movie you're talking about it's hit it's where jump

we're um johnny lee Miller the British actor and Ryan Jolie was Ryan Fleepe and that I don't know

“picture I think Steven's gonna tell us okay I think it's called something like the mother board”

now that's on correct well I do know what movie you're thinking of anti trust with Ryan Fleepe

okay so I just mash up too that was the classic mash up okay he was like um it was like Bill Gates was played by um not Tim Robbins Chris Cooper uh he how fragged what his name is but he like was like a Bill Gates type and he was like it was like a Bill Gates guy who's like stealing like young people's technology and Ryan Fleepe it was like uncovering young people the conspiracy what's the other way MTV website yeah oh yeah uh uh uh and this hackers was from was Angelina Jolie

it was released in 95 let's call the hackers they just want for the lowest common denom yeah

Johnny Lee Miller did it have a Z unit uh no unfortunately that's the remake now what was the movie

“the mother board that I'm talking about it was the movie called the mother board of B movie in the”

sixties but women with children who get tied to boards um or just like the mom is bored and they like okay whatever the mother board or it could be a female CEO with children the mother board she's in charge he makes all the decision you know and I'm gonna try I parenting's not working I'm gonna try acting like a computer I'm gonna tear I'm gonna make a computer version of me the mom yes I as a stand-in it looks exactly like her but it's she's controlling it yep

from her from Sandra potra potra pot away from her listen from what's this go why did I pick good name I can't say I don't know Sandra pay it's trench okay now if you're a board board from borrow borrow borrow if you were if you were ten years older you would know that because it's from the bandissa lay commercial the theme song and just like back when we didn't know anything about SPF or skin cancer the bandissa lay was essentially western oil in a beautiful bottle and

in the summer you would just put it smelled so just baby oil to lay in the sun and yes and give yourself cancer and there was a little bit of orange dye in it so that you kind of not I would seem to hand just by putting it on and the themes are the the jingle was bandissa lay for the centropate it was so high glamour oh my god that's all I wanted to have the centropate tanned when I'm sure I mean I still do if I'm going to be honest then do you see not commercial see them no nobody's seen it I'm so I'm like the last fucking white right now I'm so old

and I only only mean a handful of people know my references that reminds me you're going to we've been so I just remembered that you're going to be uh birthday 92 you're going to be birthday when we're in Europe right and when we're in Oslo cool let's go find like a reindeer restaurant and back and eat reindeer for a birthday okay great let's eat a live right let's catch and kill right yeah or just animals let's do it do you remember in um uh

“chef's table I think it's season one maybe season two there's the guy who who his restaurant is Viking food”

no did you not watch that series I don't think I did I think I meant to I thought you would I thought you I just automatically seemed you wouldn't think that you know I got it he he gives you a dish and it's he lights like peat moss on fire and then cooks like three herring I don't like it's like a bowl and it's like a bug water yes and it's like have you seen the bodies in the bag yeah you mean the ones that are a foie's been there the bug bodies yeah the ones that are kind of orange yeah they have hair yeah

and nails yo yeah look that up you guys that's fucking that's a that's a big bug hold it again until get into that bug hole so you want to go on a restaurant do you want to go get Viking food yes but I

it's in Norway then which is the worst part that's for Vince to find out that's for a tour manager Stephen will you look really quick just so I'm not a total fool in case if this is like in a very obvious other like I don't think in the Nordic country I'm gonna get really depressed but

“I think it is Norway when you went under the name of the restaurant you're just asking him to look”

up what yeah this is my day well confirm me and just affirm me as a person I hear you I don't know how you look I hear what you're saying I hear I hear that you're saying hackers yeah and I'm gonna tell you you're wrong it's not the motherboard um see okay okay can I just say this we haven't really talked about the alienist recently oh yeah are you watching yes loving it my machine isn't t-knowing it is it not because it's not a t-vo one it's a fucking directory

but two in an addition it starts at six isn't recorded is it good it's so good I want every episode twice okay and I wish a because I love the fucking um art direction yeah I want to go back in time please I just want to see what it would really look like to walk down the street in like

lower inside here's what I think you would notice not what it looks like but the smell yeah you got

“to you have to think about that man it's stuck so bad everybody's stuck and it's stuck but still I”

just the visual I mean did they even have toilet paper back then you know they use papyrus right from the Bible uh swinging back around the restaurant was uh faveichen and and it's in Sweden so we're going to see you are yeah oh great yeah you'll be in Stockholm so it doesn't say what city I bet it's only seven hours outside of Stockholm we're going to make Donald's favorite thing like you know we're getting real complicated I'm going to be like

I don't know it's just like the McDonald's here is better yeah it feels more you it's like I can taste the clocks but I bet there's some fancy restaurant that yeah that's there yeah shit sorry guys no whatever I was actually you know who knows a lot about Norway Norway jeans

“is um our accountant really yep that's weird she was talking all about if we go she was”

like so excited that we're going to Europe oh my god so excited that we're going to Amsterdam yeah she started naming all these places we need to go to Amsterdam and things we need to do I'm talking about one one of the things she said is so worth it you get on bus and go to two lip farms big huge tulip farms and just walk around and see because they're going to be in bloom while we're there we're going to say I'm in the ground we're going to say the growing big big lots of

for both you know god and you know all his friends all his friends are there and they're happy for you and they're ready for you it's going to be the best feeling it's going to be the best it's going to be a tulip farm we're going to meet God in Amsterdam and go to a tulip farm with him all the fucking religious people just don't subscribe tulip lovers right unsubscribe what they should be like I don't know why there's a matter to us we're guessing they're fucking asses right now

we're fucking blowing them up right now we're like oh do you like to have some we we like what you yeah tulip murdering us are like tulipina finally our time yeah Jerry tulipina me go um guys a full apologies all apologies and we're back who to know that a month later

the fucking golden state killer case would be solved looking back on this is always the weirdest

to me yeah because it's gigantic and we we knew it was like as it was unfolding but it's so the idea that this man was arrested did go to jail that that actually happened in our lifetime and we all got to witness it is it's just like people never give it what it's do right it feels like a foundational part of the podcast too because it was you know kind of in the first couple years and it was something that we had talked about multiple times with Michelle McNamara

and us being such huge fans of hers and then for all of us to play out was just incredible right

and this is two years after those first episodes where we talked about true crime diary

it's just yeah it's very foundational to us and what it was like kind of making the show

“totally and then pull holes is like now part of these are fucking network so it's just very”

matrixy very faithful feeling it's pretty incredible just just like it was so faithful that we covered the circleville pumpkin well first of all we covered the circleville letter saying at that live show yeah and then got obsessed with the pumpkin show of course the circleville pumpkin show how did I forget I literally did forget it was called the pumpkin show

what you call it which was my favorite part about it oh just like like I always thought it was

festival or something like I knew it happened in circleville when I showed baby yeah it's a fucking show and actually it's still going on the circleville pumpkin show it's official website currently builds it at Ohio's oldest festival and the 119th circleville pumpkin show

“is scheduled for October 21st through the 24th of this year and my god can you imagine”

in 2025 the largest pumpkin winner the pumpkin weighed 10972 pounds what else what's the size of that how much is it cow way what's this what is it oh you see how much it's good how much it much my guess okay 800 pounds is the cow I guess I got 121500 oh it's a fucking cow it's bigger because this is almost 2,000 pounds this the way the better that wrong yeah you're right bigger than a motherfucking cow than a cow shouldn't we talk about how for all our big talk

when we were in yesterday and the Oslo we never went to see the two one and see anything

we I don't think we realized the touring overseas was going to take out of us on the day that basis we couldn't be tourists on our own tour we wanted to be and we were kind of trying to make noises like we were going to be and then it was like yeah you know I'm not getting in a bus to go see tulips Oslo is also the city where our luggage didn't show up with us right and so we had to go on stage and kind of like what we wore on the plane and yeah so that was a little bit of a

bummer and I had some weird sort of jet lag thing happening where I was like it felt like I was about nine hours behind and I was like when I was awake I was all fucked up and then I couldn't sleep and it was wild it's like when you're on acid and you're like the your hand trails behind your hand

“the jet you know it's like that's how life life is trailing behind it's all just trailing and you're”

just like what is this why do people come and watch I'm wearing pajamas on stage what is even happening and that show was actually great that we did in Oslo yeah it was so fun it was so good something about going on stage and like basically pajamas that makes like the pressure a little lower you know right we had a good story to kick off that show right they were all very into it and just like it was a real happy to be their situation plus architecturally whatever room that was

in it was like yeah it was like a beautiful auditorium from 1970 probably it was beautiful okay let's get into your story about the vana's courthouse shooting I'm Jake Brennan and on my podcast Hollywood land I revisit some of the biggest stories from Hollywood history separating the myths people want to believe from the reality underneath them like how the story of Marilyn Monroe isn't just the story of a Hollywood icon Marilyn Monroe

has become so iconic that her death can only be explained through conspiracy theories and for some fans who can't let go these stories have metastasized from conjecture to accept it fact so on August 4th 1962 Marilyn Monroe died then the rumors started and she died again and now we're going to set the record straight and learn about the way Marilyn Monroe actually died the third learn more about what happens when famed media obsession and conspiracy collide listen to Hollywood

land on the i-hurt radio up apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts who goes first this week Karen kill garrison all right none other than Karen kill garrison now from from from Columbus yeah okay no I'm from Northern California so when I sat down to do my murder

this week tonight four hours ago I was like here's what I did so and we talked about this two weeks

ago um how somebody accidentally ordered they meant to order themselves packets of the true crime

I have this really weird habit of like when I'm like um what else to go up processing my mail quote

“unquote I just put things in piles on my counter and then spend days figuring out where they need”

to go in my house and that true crime the boxer true crime cards was sitting on my counter unopened and I kept moving it around yeah like people would come over right well I decided it doesn't fucking need to live I'm opening out box and I'm opening every shot the fuck yeah it's my box and why am I gonna like save it yeah some star wars nerds sorry and then unsubscribed of subscribers even gets up storms out throws himself over the railing like a podcast that

um but I was like why am I saving this these this is my thing that I like I want to look at every lives cards go crazy so I opened all of them the problem was I got halfway through and

realized these are always going there's only like save five sets right and just repeating them so

you have yeah I see all your things but my worry was I would think that was true and then miss a set so then I just opened every single one and it just says so much about how different you and I are because I am like that must be so free because I can't open mine because it's like no you'll ruin it you're gonna ruin it Georgia don't ruin everything but how do you ruin the thing that's supposed

“to be for you yeah no it doesn't matter a hundred percent that's what I realized because you know”

that thing I had I had my friends over for game night which is my it was so fun and it was the first time I had people over in a really long time and it was I kind of like felt like I had to because it already gotten hosted a couple of other times so they're like waiting on you yes basically put up or shut up oh so when I was cleaning my house I was like there's so much clutter and bullshit in this house that I don't need or want yeah but I have a weird connect like I

feel like I'm not allowed to throw it. Yeah I got it so I tried to start doing that thing of like does it bring you do I put it in your hand for three seconds and then throw away anything you don't need or truly want and when I looked at that box of things I'm like I want to know what every card is so why don't I just find out to you I love it so now I have a stack this big

oh my god I have sister we've done this already I've never heard of this I've heard of this okay

and now I have my new stack which is the best organized I love it that is nothing to do with the story I'm about to tell you oh wow because I was just sitting there going like think of like one of the original a moment doesn't have to be a whole story and I thought about this event

“so I looked it up I'm here to tell you oh I'm so excited all about and tell me if you remember”

this oh my god from 2003 the Van Eyes Court house shooting no I don't remember it oh girl oh honey okay so when grandma was in her early 20s this was before the internet existed and comics used to we used to pass around video tapes with what essentially were today YouTube videos on them so there was and it this is things comics did all the time so it'd be like we're all going to go over to sew and sew tiles and watch sew and sew and sew tapes this pattern was the one pattern

or blanket patch usually are the ones that had them and they were just compilations of things you couldn't believe you were watching so it would be like the very first one I saw had the farting preacher on it so that guy that they dubbed over farting you know that you see that yeah everyone seeing it then there was there was like CNN bloopers when CNN first started yeah they used to fuck up on tape all the time and there was people that would just record it and they would make like

blooper reals of CNN stuff of like you know that Guy Bernard Shaw was the original CNN anchor

he was asleep on camera it was awesome there's amazing stuff then there was really awful things like

there was a orchestra that was playing one time that the entire stage collapsed while the orchestra was playing and that was on there just random acts awful crazy show so this is one of those things that went around those this much later this is like how everything is terrible came about or it's like totally before that was a thing exactly what you did is you made compilations of fucking weird shit yeah somebody would be at home and they'd be like what is this children show

where a weird adult is teaching yoga I better afford this because I don't understand what's happened I love it yeah so this is this was a clip that was would have been on one of those videos and it's the craziest thing I've ever seen so I'll just tell you okay it happened on Halloween October 30th 30th 2003 okay now if you're from the Southland you know that then eyes is one of the most gorgeous cities you could visit oh god so she's kidding it's just concrete it's concrete and

there is a what eight story the Vanice courthouse and the Vanice courthouse is where you go when you fucked up in your car which everybody doesn't have I haven't been there because I fucked up in my car what do you do I don't remember I must have I don't know a moving violation probably yes so I had to go there I'm still mad about this I had a friend who on fucking ventura which is down here for anybody that's known from down here ventura is the

big it basically a four lane highway that's a street it's in a Tom Petty song even yep ventura

full of ventura full of art it goes for miles through it basically by sex or runs up the middle of the San Fernando Valley yeah and you can get on it in at the like Hollywood where the Hollywood bowl is essentially and you can drive down for so long I mean line or you know how far

“it goes um so we were on ventura at I think it was like cold water in ventura and it was like”

10 o'clock at night and we were gonna go to a party and my friend had just gotten a like a very fancy sports car and from a metered parking spot she flipped a U-turn on ventura crossing four lanes of traffic to do this U-turn and we immediately got pulled over and I hadn't even touched my seatbelt yet oh no so when we got pulled over these two traffic or these two police man I don't know what kind they were but they were both young and they were hopped up in a way that scared the

living shit out of me and I was like imagine if we were a car full of black team boys yes would be beyond and they were so aggressive for no reason and they were like well I need to you're he was like this this guy was tapping on the like mad at you my window mad at you and it's on the window let me see your idea like comment at us and I kept going like I'm the passenger I didn't I'm not controlling cars like your seatbelt's not on I go we just pulled out of the

parking spot of course I was sassin it up I got a fucking 320 dollar ticket for not having it my seatbelt oh no or some insane and this was when I lived in a studio apartment yeah I mean it was dark times right could not afford it and not only did I have to pay this really high number I had to appear in court for not for this moving violation so I I wanted to murder my friend yeah

“say your name work work through it now yeah so you have to go to the vanized courthouse I was so nervous”

to be in a courtroom I was like dying well you have to sit there for the 40 other cases before yours so it was just like one teenage boy after another that fucking depressing shit so depressing most of the teenage boys it was for their radio's car stereo's were up to that shut up yes they were all like the judge would be like young man this is your fifth violation you can't drive with your stereo up this low there was like that happened like 15 times I mean figure it out Kevin

like just turn it down a fucking death of all turn it down I understand you're trying to make your friends yeah you're a badass and everyone around you you want them to not fuck with you because you're scared yes we're all scared because you're scared we'll see the real you Kevin let me tell you as a fucking 37 you're all used to turn shit up you can't hear anything when you're an adult anymore the damage that I have done to my hearing oh yeah is a maze half of my friends are can't fucking hear

anything because we all used to go to shows and shit like you just don't it's not there's no it's

not fee boring it's not as cool as you think anyway so by the time I got up there I basically

the judge ended up reducing the dollar amount because at one point I just went he was he was questioning me like I was the driver and I finally went I was the passenger and he went really and then he was just like $103 or something like cut it down thank god but the entire experience was nerve jangling and sure inferiority so now I've set the scene like a man I scored house a very strange large building kind of ominous yeah right I'm there I'm there with you there's a discount for an

interest across the street there's a discount for a short across the other street there's a donut shop

“in the strip mall right there yep probably got great donuts and that's the only thing in that strip”

mall everything else is closed there's also a nail salon oh yeah there's probably there's two nails lawns next to each other yes but otherwise there's nothing there's nothing and because it's

vanna is it's always 91 bigger oh my god oh and 91 and like like but in a hot way yes a stifling

way a stifling yet dry way like put and there's not one fucking tree in the entire city funny that you should say that almost as a funky it's perfect set okay yeah there's no shade except

because it was October 31st 2003 um normally it's you're so far out there the only people that

“would be at this courthouse are people that have business there it's not there's uh you wouldn't go”

there for any other reason you're not there don't there's no fun to be had not a great restaurant it's a basement nothing nothing good oh it's a vintage cafeteria you know to go like all the other courthouses how they have nice thanks god there's some great food at the LA County courthouse yeah however people do go to pass it in a courthouse because it's courthouse is that true it's the one it's the one they use it as the courthouse in Pony in Parks and Recreation oh yeah yeah right

yeah i'm gonna say yes i'm I'm gonna graze my time my guru grant too anyway so yeah um it's like it i'm gonna say vintage it's a vintage pretty architect yes courthouse so yeah that's not happening here at the vannas vannas courthouse they were like we want to make it tall and upsetting looking mm-hmm and it was probably they did that in 1972 okay at the time on this day

“remember when Robert Blake had to go to on trial for attempting to kill or the attempted murder”

or the murder the murder of um his wife Bonnie Lee bakely right um so this is an amazing

overlap that i didn't realize until i started researching this so for those of you who don't know Robert Blake was an actor he was a child actor um he was the bretta he was you know he was kind of like the theme is almost like a serious Ted dance and mm-hmm of the seventies um nothing like Ted dancing and anyway almost the opposite really but there's the first television person i could think of so he yeah he was like magnum pi but like serious true yes yeah didn't do a lot of comedy though yeah

i feel like Ted has better range yeah um so he and his wife were eating dinner at a very famous old Italian restaurant called the telos which is on to hang out yeah and the telos is clearly been there since the 50s right and he they left the restaurant and then he said wait here i'm gonna go back into the restaurant i forgot my gun and he and Robert Blake went back into the restaurant get his gun and all he was in there he forgot his gun he forgot his gun in the

Italian restaurant why is he his gun i mean it's because that's where the gun would be it when his wife is being shot in the head out in the parking lot he's not involved and his gun is in the

“restaurant so that was the suspicion and that's why he ended up going on trial and the trial”

and a bunch of shit took place at the vanice courthouse which is amazing and i didn't know that because

they were there there was pre-trial hearings going on because there was um there was a conspiracy charge between Robert Blake um saying Robert Blake and his bodyguard who's named Earl shit i can't find it did they think he actually pulled the trigger no they think that the conspiracy was that he went in to get his gun really publicly well his bodyguard Earl was outside shooting body yeah so they think that he shot body the security guard right the bodyguard yes okay got it yes

so they were at the courthouse that day to have the pre-trial hearing about this conspiracy charge it eventually got dropped and they ended up saying uh they didn't actually really have a lot of direct evidence or real material evidence anyhow we'll we'll do that story some other time okay but because that pre-trial hearing was taking place the vanice courthouse that day there were all these news cameras set up from all over the place in our nationally set up

so that one Robert Blake walked out they would have the shot of him leaving the courthouse whatever the verdict was for that pre-trial hearing they hadn't even gone into the full murder trial yet okay at the same time it was 10 a.m. that same morning and so all these cameras are set up and meanwhile 53 year old wills and probate attorney Gerald E. Curry had just um just appeared court himself as a probate attorney because he was representing client who was the trustee

of a special needs trust for a 64 year old man named William Stryer and um the trustee had said that Stryer had been threatening her life and and so she wanted out of this trust. Stryer had been in an injured in a car accident and he had won settlement money for that injury but the money was taken and put into this trust because and the what I'm gathering that I don't know

No it doesn't actually unstable um that there's some for some reason he couldn't manage that

money by himself it was put into a trust and then this woman was placed in charge of the trust so she had no connection like family or otherwise with this guy she's like I'm not sure okay because these are the details yeah that was the case that Gerald Curry was um in charge of and she was he was her lawyer okay um the trustee's okay and basically the trustee was like this guy's threatening my life he he keeps saying if I don't give him the money he's gonna kill me

“I don't want to be involved in this anymore so that's what why they were there at the courthouse”

for the hearing about that that trustee's position oh my god so he walks outside I've seen the okay now I know you know I'm talking about now because you said to see even earlier keep this video handy yes I'm fucking seeing this video now this video is to kind of made me really like happy in a weird way the way maybe I'm thinking of the wrong video no no I think you're thinking of the right video

it's so incredible and same and the idea that this happened on the day that all these cameras were

already set up he's beyond was okay okay so so Gerald Curry the attorney walks outside just got that thing taken care of it's 10 am going to go get a coffee blah blah blah the attorney for the trustee is like yep he just right up I'm going to go to that amazing cafe outside of the van I scored house yep get me yeah and maybe go get my nails done right he's standing there in the so it's like the courthouse is there and then there's this kind of long rectangular courtyard and that's where

all the cameras are set up and as he's standing and it's um the courtyard has bushes and trees and things planted oh okay remember this part so as he's standing there just stepped out of the

courthouse a stranger walks up to him that he's never seen before and says is your name Gerald Curry

now what is our answer if some a stranger walks up and says is your name George Howard Stark no no it's not nope I don't know that name what are you what would your intentions be if I was George Howard Stark what can I pass a message along to George Howard Stark but I know her I've heard of her

“but it's not it's not me but if you want to never fucking cop to shit if a stranger is asking you”

question yeah why do you ask would be the response why do you ask why do you ask what's going on yeah or even this excuse me goodbye and you get the fuck away but I'm sure that Gerald Curry was just like I'm at a fucking courthouse everything's okay so he says yes I am Gerald Curry and this man pulls out of gun and starts shooting sh*t two shots are fired and all the the news cameras are like what the fuck is going on roll up and they start recording really shit he want to play that video

so this is as it happened he lived he got a nice drive fucking straight up and he says he didn't know the person all that he didn't even see the gun he hears the pops he felt blood on his face and he realized

“he was being shot so in his mind he said I have to be a moving target I have to start moving so”

he just starts trying to dodge the guys this video this dude is legit like fucking tap dancing to get the fuck away from this bullet and he hides behind what is the thinnest tree in recorded history yeah it's the most upsettingly small tree there's nothing to hide behind he's like doing a thing it's like a cartoon or it's like who I'm hiding by the street yes no I'm not it's the craziest it's beyond meanwhile the whole place in this video and when you go to see it there's a

girl on a pay phone in the background like what the fuck like like 10 feet away yeah like this this is like all the sudden handgun shooter so apparently everyone that was nearby in the courtyard the all the camera men start rolling the people that were in the courtyard run around the corner so the good news was that at the same time LA County Sheriff's Reserve Deputy David Kat was off duty as a as a as a as a Sheriff's Deputy so he was at the courthouse because he was working

in the traffic court oh my god where I oh my god he's your friend he was there working traffic court but he's wearing a suit and tight and he doesn't have his gun on him he's totally unarmed he only has his badge so when the when the shots start popping off everybody runs like around this corner yeah on onto the street and he does too then he hears someone run up

back into the courtyard even though he doesn't have a gun and there's kind of nothing he can do

“he pulls out his badge and he's like I have to go back in like I can't run away from this and”

goes back in and as he goes back in he the first person that's walking by he says where is the

deputy that's got shot and the person who he asks never breaks stride and doesn't turn his head to

look at him and goes he's back there and and keeps walking totally calm his day yeah calm his day change and start yelling that's the shooter that's the shooter so basically David Katz walked by the shooter and asked him that question in the guy was like as if nothing happened yeah walking away from the scene and so he realizes that's his one moment and he has to get this guy so he turns around runs and jumps and tackles him grabs him by the neck pulls him down basically

he said he tried to hit him as hard as he could because he knew that he would have to like this was his one chance and he knew at least one gun on him so David Katz tackles him and he it turned

out he did have a second oh my god he just never got he just never used it and then once David

Katz tackles him then a bunch of other deputies that come out of the building they're all on him Jesus yeah and apparently one witness said that when uh so the shooter's name was a man is a man named William Strire and he was the person who he had been injured in a car accident and he wanted the money from that trust and he looked as he think happens in life in law that's our new show coming this fall to ABC what's happening in life in law

and it's just no in life in law in life in law dot dot dot dot and it's like a mom she's trying she's cuz mother board is the working title that's so I can relate to it yeah yes what the fuck I know it doesn't work like that you're you just proven you shouldn't have any money because you don't understand and because you're going through life if something sucks you right you just threaten to kill it totally that's the reason that they were in court is because he'd already threatened

to kill the trustee yeah and then it comes out he I I never found what the actual ruling

was yeah I imagine it was not for him sure but he knew that Gerald Curry was the lawyer that was the trustee's lawyer so it has nothing to do with you and it won't even help you to punish this person because they're there two steps oh two fucking what are they call it uh degrees away from the fucking problem you're having to become from Kevin Bacon yes well and also he'd already made the bad mistake which is you you're not allowed to threaten people say give me my money or

all kill you so that you now just qualified yourself from the money but you want it to be someone else's fault that you don't have that money yeah so you've decided that this lawyer is keeping you from the money right and apparently a witness said that he heard strier say when the shooting was done he shot at him six times um and strier was hit four of those six times um I mean I'm sorry Gerald Curry was hit four of those six times but then once the shooting was over before he commonly

“walked away a witness said he heard him say that's what you get for stealing my money so he and his”

fucking mind he thinks that these people are all trying to steal his money yes so at the trial William strier appears in court laying on a hospital gurney because of his claiming it's because of his long standing back injury hmm so he's in in bed in in court in bed which is a dream I've had do you have that thing where you're in a dream you you like wake up and you're like I'm at school but I'm also in bed yeah like you're the weird one in bed yeah it's not like the

naked dream but it's like the you didn't get the memo that worse you're supposed to be at a bed right now you're supposed to get out of bed yeah so then you're trying to play it off and just kind of be like no it's fine I'm just in bed a little bit yeah yeah no I actually had that or like I had the like wait starting to wake up and you think there are people there I'm

“you like no I'm not in bed I'm not sleeping right I think a couple of my in bed dreams have been”

in being on people's front lawns in bed where I think it's because when I first moved to LA it was so weird to me that people live so close together that and so many people live so close together

each others like and I'm just gonna sleep here yeah I'm just gonna be out anyway okay basically

his lawyer so the shooter William Strayer's lawyer say he needed immediate access to that trust fund

“because he needed a back operation so badly but he was being barred by the trustee and that's why”

he was so upset and that he also was on demoral which is incredibly strong pain killer okay what I remember of friends being on demoral it's like like an instile yeah but I think it's bigger I think it's like goes into the oxycontin directs it's style shit I think so okay so they were kind of using that um they and the judge who was named Judge Ruben noted that Strayer had shot a neighbor four times in 1969 he got into it with a neighbor shot his neighbor four times for which he

served 90 days and got two years probation so now this is the way this this guy dealt with

everything in his life yeah and the first time around on that the the way that all got

played down the judge this time around was like you tried to use that I'm on pill yeah there's something wrong with me thing before and they fell for it last time it's not happening this time I don't know if like dude you think we wouldn't have checked that come on yeah exact you you got a bit of a history yeah that's that that's going to stick with you William Strayer asked the judge if he could address the court and then he got a bed to do it you know he's still in bed

he just like sits up in bed and he's like he's like a hammy him to adjust his pajamas he goes through to us the court but he starts to veer off track and he starts to say it's the camera man's fault that they didn't stop him from shooting okay yes so he starts trying to blame the camera man standing around and that's when the judge was like no no you're not doing this anymore not only are you not gonna make the statements of the court now you're not

“allowed to be in this room you have to go put your bed in the hallway and you have to listen through”

oh my god you have to listen to the remainder of the proceedings through a speaker so he got sent from bed out of the court go go to your bed get where it's like get take your bed to the just roll that motherfucker out in the hallway you don't even get to be we're not even going to look at you anymore because also that it's so funny my sister was in she got hit by a guy who was shit face at eight in the morning yeah she had really bad back problems and this guy

pulled shit like that he showed up one day in court with his daughter on it like carrying his daughter on his hip saying what like trying not just I didn't have babies think it's like people doing all these plays to get empathy and and sympathy and like to get people on their side yeah she won that's the good man okay judge room and was basically all over the shit and he was like the deputy district attorney basically it was like William Stryer tried to execute

yeah Mr. Curry he had no remorse he never accepted responsibility he was still making excuses

by the time he was in the courtroom and blaming it on other people not stopping him yeah that's bananas yes it's insanity and also when you see this video like because that is something maybe that would go through someone's mind of like why did they hit why did they roll record on their video instead of doing something oh but somebody with a gun yeah I I got it I got doing both yes you know well also but who would really it's a gun they like run up to this guy and

“not attacking him unarmed and even a sheriff's deputy was like no you have to take cover yeah”

if you don't have any way to fight it yeah it doesn't make a ton of sense to be like no I'm gonna go take care of that right um and they those cameraman who recorded that then also where the ones that were like he's right there like they were all over it anyway that was the who that's bullshit anyway but yeah basically William Stryer was convicted of attempted murder and in 2006 he was sentenced to life in prison plus 25 years and he ended up dying in prison

because he was already his 63 when he did this Gerald Curry went to that sense and saying and he told reporters my main concern is my safety and my family safety and so he said he felt satisfied with the fact that the fact that he knew William Stryer was going to prison and he would be in prison because he was so old already for the rest of his life he was like that's all I care about and that's fine unfortunately the shooting left a bullet lodged in the back of his

neck and he had a really bad PTSD after it happened Jerry Gerald Curry died in 2012 which is very sad David Katz the sheriff's deputy got a metal of valor for going back into that

rescue unit for the LA sheriff's department and that is the story the very fascinating and horrifying

story of the vanice court house shooting dude is not nuts that's nuts and the fact that it's on video

“is so bananas it's so crazy it's like a time yeah and you didn't see that shit no I remember us”

whoever put in the video I remember David Cross was there like I remember it was it was the early 90s or you know couldn't have had early 90s but it was like early LA time of my life and we were standing watching the video like holy shit it was so crazy and it was almost like Joe Curry was defying logic yeah I yes he it didn't even look like he was getting shot

it looked like he was avoiding the shots but the the gun shots just kept coming yeah it was

hot and like what a scary situation to be in that this is happening and so far you've made it in your fucking dodging these bullets but keep got like oh like what what it's terrifying it's so crazy I mean as someone with anxiety I'm like constantly waiting for someone to just start

“shooting at me whatever I'm in fucking public yeah and so to see so I think what”

I meant when I said that this made me feel better is to see something that happened to someone and he dodged and he was okay right so like it was like this thing of all right it might happen but maybe it could also be okay yeah that's that's that's that's crazy that's a crazy fun story it's that's awful as well thank you for telling me yes like holy forgot that I remembered that that's from my news segment remember this horrible thing that had a tiny piece of video attached to it

hey remember this yeah all right we're back Karen any updates unfortunately there's no updates because I wish we could talk about this case for the rest of our lives yeah would a while thing to kind of witness on the local news totally unhinged and that was just like the beginning of unhinged behavior in this country right like 2003 is what happened right it's like yeah oh you don't know what this is gonna be like a blip on yeah this is nothing there's nothing it like on it seems

like such a big story yeah it's I mean it was it was it was the craziest story yeah but but it's just so sad in this country that we have been forced to accept this state of the state with gun violence in this country yeah well since there was no updates let's just move it along we're gonna get into Georgia story about Wana Barraza and La Matavia Hitus I'm Jake Brennan and on my podcast Hollywood land I revisit some of the biggest stories from Hollywood history

separating the myths people want to believe from the reality underneath them like I was story of Marilyn Monroe isn't just the story of the Hollywood icon Marilyn Monroe has become so iconic that her death can only be explained through conspiracy theories and for some fans who can't let go these stories have metastasized from conjecture to accept it fact so on August 4th 1962 Marilyn Monroe died then the rumors started and she died again and now we're going to set

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are you ready all right i want to get this right okay this is important i'm about to tell you about uh L modavejitas aka the old lady killer oh shit yeah okay fucking buckle the fucking all right hey the capital of Mexico

“Mexico City is Mexico City have you heard yes you're so good at job you got it did you know it's”

the third the world's third most popular city according to this Wikipedia that i i hope it's up to date

from 1974 yeah it's uh okay so it's estimated that 1 million of it's residents are over 60 years old whoa yeah

so in 1998 when brutal murders of elderly women begin to start popping up in Mexico City the press starts to speculate that there's a serial killer and they dub the serial killer L modavejitas but police are like no no you guys are fucking freaking out calm down this is media sensationalism it's just that elderly women keep getting killed yeah that's not a serial killer trying to link them together calm down it's not a serial killer but Mexico has no shortage of serial killers

gregario cardinius hernandas was known as the Strangler of Takuba and he became a celebrity in

“Mexico after he was caught for murdering four young women and bearing them in his backyard”

this isn't the forties okay um there was even a fucking porn based on his crimes Jesus yes it was like a celebrity he was in prison for 30 years but in 1976 he was parted and celebrated as a hero because he had like changed his life he like fucking played the piano and prison learned a fucking piano so they were like no he's he's changed you know what I mean the piano's nice I mean no one who plays the piano can be that person like in heart and soul get a little get a

couple rounds of heart and soul going yeah he learned how to play not that hard and they're like he's reform then and then and then and then and then it's like please stop doing that oh god there's also the sisters Delphina and Maria de Jesus Gonzalez known as La Poco Nietzsche's the little Poco Nietzsche but Poco yeah that sounds about right from the 1950s and tell the 1960s they're the the women older women their sisters they run a large scale prostitution ring

oh and they murdered at least 91 people these two fucking middle aged women what for because they whenever one of their sex workers that they had kidnapped and forced into sex working wasn't couldn't do it anymore they would kill them they would kill if like a john came who had money on him they would kill like these chicks were fucking bananas they're Guinness World record called them the most prolific murder partnership oh wow yeah and actually one of

they both went to prison one died there and the other one served her time and got out and no one

never tracked her down after that are you serious yeah so I'm gonna need the fucking this is not

really quickly as you were telling that story i started to think about my favorite one of my favorite things in the world to observe her listen to is and it happens a lot in LA because there's lots of people who are bilingual or probably raised in like a multi-language households don't

you love it when you're standing by two people it's for some reason it's always teenage girls

“in my mind and they're speaking Spanish to each other because i think they're trying to tell like”

private stuff and secrets but then they'll just say interchangeably with English they'll just blow they'll say an English word perfectly like almost valley girl acts yeah so it's like rude and a thing that you don't know or understand and then it'll be like the car wash aren't I right yes exactly there's phrases in it it's like it's my favorite LA thing yeah and i'm also a very bad eats dropper or a very good eats dropper or the best eats

rock or listening to people like car washes i wish i could speak fluent in a different language show and then that like the idea that you can do that and just flip back and forth like well i like to say something private and i know that this person over here is probably listening so i'm like i'm deeply embarrassed as someone from southern California born and raised that i don't know Spanish like it it feels like i'm being fucking elitist and rude it's kind of rude it is

well it's it yeah it's it'd be easy for me to learn right what my sister my dad went to the jc and took a Spanish class together that's cool uh i know i love that but i wish i i wish i did it

“too and also um i wish i hadn't taken French it just served me i'm like it's like i think uh”

couple menus it's helped me a couple fancy dinners and pretty much that's it that's about it and my fucking sister-in-law is Mexican and al Salvadoran so my nephew's part of that as well and the fact that you know he can't talk to his aunt and one of his fucking languages yeah it just makes me feel shitty let's go to a Los Angeles community college done right down there on like on Melrose and like western yeah there's a kind of college right there i went there out of high school did you really

yeah you didn't take any Spanish no let's do that i would love that would be super fun or can we get sponsored by what's that rosetta stone rosetta stone come on let's have it our minds are open yeah you want to learn please teach us okay boo boo boo boo boo boo okay but are they okay so back to fucking el uh mud of a harris okay mud uh i feel like you're the heat of got to let you got the accent mud of a heat of yeah yeah right i'm ready yeah i think you're ready it's like i know a little

yiddish i can fucking turn that into something else you got the ear listen once they say once you have

“yiddish Spanish comes immediately afterwards that's what they say great at Los Angeles community”

college plus it's the motto one two of yiddish the world is y'all always did the world opens up to you

that's really the baseline it's kind of the it's the Latin yeah but for yelling at your grand can your grand daughter dorda and yiddish it's the Latin don't spit solver my chest or feel right grandma stuff why am i sweating on her chest or go like a furniture right i'm sweating i took what i thought your grandma would say and then added something my grandma used to say would to be like get off the chest or feel because she for some reason said it's in count or sofa

but you know me well enough that i'm constantly sweating which is fucking true about me to know that i've not spitting is the only giddish word i have like on here okay so that is not personal race commander is one of my favorite what's that it's just bothering like touching and going through my mom would say uh don't race don't race come out of the cats race come out of uh wow don't race come out of the cats like i'm talking with the kids i don't know the kids can't do it you know

it's like leave them alone do not race come out of the cats yeah okay um here's what i learned

uh i and gaelic um can you give me more whiskey please i want to punch someone is uh i'm saying it with a really strong answer right now but i'm good i'm going to repeat that okay yeah i'm going to try it when we're in uh when we're in double end double end i'm going to try i'm going to use it you use it and you give me more whiskey please yes i have rage i feel like i want to punch someone it'll help me you know and then but i'm still going to punch someone yeah okay

i'm going to try it and then before you get the third word out they're going to be like we got

back there in the early 2000s uh so authorities said that the murders of the old woman aren't

“connected and aren't the work of the serial killer but there's a fucking clear pattern to the”

murders all the victims are women in their 60s or older and they're found in their own homes

all of them either bludgeoned or strangled and afterwards are robbed um there's never any

sign of forced for a century and most of them lived alone and so i went online and did a lot of research because there's not a lot of English stories about this sorry it's about this in English but i found a website that has unexpectedly every single fucking crime scene photo the bodies and them oh just one of those like surprise and then i start scrolling and it's like all of them whoa and it's really hard and it's so it's essentially like you're a boy it's like abuela abuela every

fucking grandma like Mexican grandma you've ever seen with her like house of her like with her

“newspaper from the morning and her shopping and her you know there's crosses everywhere it's like”

every Mexican grandmother it's so horrible like you think you get a live a life of like

comfortable dresses with pockets and like you know feeding your grandkids too much sugar and it's like that's the women that's who it is and it's really fucking sad and I had to after a few scrolls had to stop doing stop looking at it yeah don't yeah that's the worst yeah it was really depressing okay so the chief prosecutor in Mexico City profiles the killer it's brunardo but he's saying that that he has a brilliant mind he's quite clever and careful it was thought that whoever

was doing it was taking the time to gain the trust of their intended victims because there's no forced entry so one thing is that the person might be posing as a government official providing them like an opportunity to sign it for welfare programs at the door and they like the the sweet abuela's invite them in um years drag on bodies like there's just many murders of these older women and authorities have all these different theories but they really don't know what's

going on they said there might be multiple killers they find that they're one really weird detail is that three of the victims owned a copy of an obscure 18th century painting John but he's grizzoo's boy in a red waistcoat which turns out to be a red herringant just might be a fucking that abuela's love that fucking painting yeah so it's like some it was like the thing that was

“for sale in the market or whatever like so it just turns out that like that that's how that's how”

little they have to go on is they're like what's a connection will they all have this painting oh is that the connection like who sold you know they don't know so many that hates waste coats I mean who won't want us um bu bu bu bu bu bu bu okay so just to show how desperate they are uh the killings would start and stop again or stop and start again even I mean the both directions they would go all over the place they would stop you know um no information surface okay

the killing of 82-year-old Carmen Camilla Gonzalez Miguel on September 28, 2005 she's an upper-class woman and she's the mother of prominent Mexican criminologist Luis Rafael Marano Gonzalez so that finally police are like all right now we'll fucking pay attention to this and let's let's get this going so they start the operation of parks and gardens to like try to find this person so officers patrol the areas where the killer was active um and pamphlets are passed out telling

you know the elderly women what do I say pamphlets wrong pamphlets I did that was just like one of my nostrils closing as I said it I didn't pamphlets I thought it was

a Spanish word that I just never heard of before pamphlets they they when they hand out the

pamphlets pamphletas um it wasn't a dirty word oh okay pamphlets you heard of them you love you know them you love pamphlets I love like nice pamphlets one thing about you oh my god if it's glossy and color give it on come on okay tell them telling them to be wary of strangers so sketches are distributed and they like they even pay elderly women to act as bait in parks what like fucking undercover elderly women hanging out being like who's going to come murder maybe murder you

I and they're like well promise will stop them before they can murder you know please tell me they weren't genuinely elderly that's really just said real that's what they said even paid

because if nothing happens you're like well thanks for my 30 bucks yeah and they're also like

“well they kill them at home so like the park is the safest fucking place to be right now they”

were actually scamming the cops they were just like yeah this sounds like a great project no I bet you'll catch them for sure but are you gonna pay me if I swear I saw someone weird yesterday maybe look I today and definitely in this park and not at home um I need money to buy my waistcoat boy okay boop boop boop okay so a witness reported seeing a lar a soon after um one of the murders a witness reported seeing a large woman in a red blouse leaving the home of a murdered

woman oh so police start to speculate that the killer could be wearing female clothing as a ploy uh you know and cross-dressing and so the authorities launched a massive round-up of Mexico city's transvestite population guess how that goes bad badly guess how the transvestites are

treated in Mexico City horribly so um ultimately 49 of Mexico City's transvestite sex workers

are detained and questioned and fucking hassled they suffered through humiliating investigations before being released when their Princeton match any collected from the crime scene two months later police they're just don't know what the fuck's going on they think maybe that person died so they

“start checking fucking uh fingerprints at the morgue what is this because I think he committed they”

got like a word word that he committed suicide they like make this insane bust of the like a clay bust of the person's face see if maybe you can find it actually like best based on sketches yeah

oh I like who he is um then in January 2006 the landlord of 82-year-old Anna Maria Delo Reyes

Alfaro comes home and finds someone fleeing the landlord finds someone fleeing this woman's home okay he goes and checks on his tenant and he finds Anna Maria dead on the floor and he calls police gives a detailed description of the attacker police gets to the scene fucking immediately and they are able to track down the person who's fleeing it turns out that El Matavaharis is la Matavahara that means girl don't don't don't don't boom yes killers actually fuck there's a woman

“little or lady killer is a fucking woman whoa twist aroo uh one of araza is 48 and she's a single mother”

four she had a close craft tight like real short dyed blonde hair more more on her face and she looks exactly like this bust there's like photos online oh her standing next to the bust and it's wow creepy as fuck yeah they know that the nose is a little off yes she looks like the the killer based on witness accounts but she's not a man she's just a masculine woman and they catch her as she's leading her last victim's house she's carrying a stethoscope uh pension forms and

carrying an identifying a card identifying her as a social worker oh yeah so her MO would be that she would knock on the door smile introduce herself as a social worker show her stethoscope and then once she was in in the uh the fucking abuela's are like come on in you know like it's like come in that's it's a lady doctor here like help you out help you uh once inside though there was little conversation she would strangle her fiction her victim usually with the stethoscope

whoa or some kind of cloth that was already there and or stab her she then ransacked the house and uh when they rate when they raided one of araza burazas house they discovered her trophy room or she had arranged newspaper clippings about the murders also had objects stolen from the victims and had a shrine to hasty small verday and saunta mertae who were I said that well listen I'm Jewish don't I can't saunta mertae mertae sounds like murder or death right Santa mertae to Saint

murder to folk deities often worship by Mexican outlaws oh fuck yeah i don't get the sauntae part right good job thank you uh like okay here's the skits bummer time uh like many serial killers want to barazat had endured a horrific child uh this one's particularly shitty really well it's somehow do have happened for a woman to be a legit straightforward serial killer not i lean mournus like uh you know my life has gone astray and i'm leaving on the on the verge or whatever

like shooting a man and scaling his money and then being like oh this is a good way to make easy money yeah like the idea that she was so classical like straightforward serial killer and like

she's so stupid that wants money right but wait okay all right so she's born in 1957 and um

“hill dogo a rural area of Mexico her mother's a fucking crazy alcoholic she's verbally and physically abusive”

and often trades her daughter to her drinking buddies for alcohol and there's no way and like fucking not say that so when she's 12 years old one is mom trades her permanently to her drinking

buddy a 62 year old man for three beers it was like basically sends her off with this dude this is

like Mary bill yeah this is how merit they would happen to Mary bill right she was little it's just so disgusting and horrifying yeah dark dark dark dark dark dark so want to uh later gives birth to a son um and she has four children total although and this is another trigger for her her oldest son died from injuries sustained in a mugging he was mugged and he died from bad oh no I know um

“so she eventually gets away she's a single mother in Mexico city and she had always been obsessed”

with lucha libre which is the the crazy popular fucking okay I just am putting this together are you know if you heard of this yes because people have told me the very shortened version of this in like in the VIP lines and it's the most fascinating thing yeah sorry go ahead yeah so she was obsessed with fucking Mexican masked professional wrestling and she as an older woman was like fucking I'm fucking joining I want to do this and so she calls herself ladama de la silencio no ladama de silencio

the lady of the lady of silence uh come on lady of silence she wears a butterfly mask and hot pink spandex and she could bench press over 200 pounds yeah like let's fight yeah so she's really

“fine let's fight she's really in a Mexican not's wrestling so again yeah it's fucking crazy”

yeah we're a professional wrestling and murder look over on that side of the podcast wall there's wrestling this is hard start a world dream yes we yeah that we both are bummed about yeah so by the time she starts murdering older women her own mother was already dead but she is surprisingly by all accounts a good mother um she lived at home with her two youngest kids of boy who's 13 and a girl who's 11 supports the family through a mix of domestic work street vending and

petty theft but she's apparently a good mom and like kind of her children you know for a second

polymer of something positive right so using fingerprint evidence mexica city prosecutors are able to link uh one of bars at least ten of the murders attributed like period so the only ten um and she says when she gets caught I only killed the one little old lady the one that she was caught for not the others uh don't pin the others on me and she they were like what's your motive and she said I got angry that's all she said she's like it's just the one I killed

okay but ten of them based on finger prints are attributed to her um and ultimately she's connected to as many as 40 killings whoa so she killed possibly killed 40 little old ladies just kept doing

it from the late 90s to when she was caught in 2006 um the first victim she's directly attributed to

that we're 100% sure she did is on November 25th 2002 when she bear handed beat and strangled a 64-year-old woman named Marie de la loose Gonzalez whoa so it could she could have killed way more than that um at this point she goes to trial she's 50 years old little old lady killer go on trial in 2008 the evidence uh what said that she would cruise public places in search of elderly women on their own she'd follow them home she'd gain their trust access to their home

to help with their shopping bags or whatever or request a cleaning uh like can I need a job cleaning your house or uh whatever and then or she would pretend to be an nurse or a social worker offering a free checkup or information about benefits yeah I know that's fucking dark she's found guilty on 16 charges of murder and aggravated burglary um she sentenced to 759 years in prison whoa just a couple yeah she ends up like getting married in prison but then

divorces and she seems to be kind of happy there well yeah um and she's only in minutes of

mother's horrible treatment of her but everyone thinks that she targeted old women as a way to get back at her fucking crazy awful alcoholic mother and make sense yeah and so got some kind of satisfaction

“out of killing these fucking poor women who but there is an element like um and I can't remember”

what one it is specifically but the not copying to it yeah like going oh I only did that one

when it's proven that you've done the other ones where you kind of it's that thing that always happens

us where we're taught when you get into the details of a serial killer's life yeah it changes it because then you're like oh you never had a chance it's so sad or whatever but then yes you did have a chance like that that it was just that terrible combination of like whatever was already wrong with you yeah bad upbringing or whatever but you know 40 old ladies like how are you killing it all lately I know I wonder if it was part of you when you don't admit like there's so many people that don't

admit it even though the facts are clear and it drives me fucking crazy and I just want you to say you did it and cop to it it's easy do it but I wonder if there's this part like with her where it's like I don't want to admit that I'm that that I have those that I have that in me yes I can be a good mother and I can pursue my passion of fucking literally brave but also I am someone who's so dysfunctional that I murder old women like you don't even want to admit it to yourself

yes exactly like she's because there's parts of her life if she was a good mother truly then she isn't a sociopath right which means then she's doing this thing or that even like she doesn't want to admit that her her her mother affected her so much that caught like that she's still part of you yes and you know you want to say I'm rolling you I'm over it I fixed it by being a good mother but no you you're you're still doing this thing

and you're having a reaction that you're not just like your mother for being that way now you're worse than you're not gonna worse than her you're worse than her it's so sad and like there's so many I know like like the grandma culture is so you know as someone who had a culture that the grandma was a huge part of your life and it's I just can't imagine having to have that with rest of your life that your grandmother was killed in an awful way horrible it's so

sad it just made me think too of in mind hunter but remember there was that killer in Sacramento who's doing the exact same thing he was attacking old ladies like on their front porch yeah and in that they're so upset like the cops are so upset by the crime that that when they try to get there to say hey maybe it's be there's this reason or whatever then they're like it's just a monster like they can't see because it's a thing that's like culturally

we you're no matter what level of asshole you are you're not gonna be an asshole to an old lady you know I mean it's like it takes it means you're beyond a certain point yeah what we need to

realize is that there are people who are always going to be way more horrible than we can

ever imagine that they're gonna be people who who are picking the the most vulnerable people on purpose which is just like yeah oh that's so crazy yeah the wrestling element too it's just like no then it's not even like it's just like the fucking media in Mexico City and Mexico

“blue fuck up and loves this story I'm crazy about it and then the truth is like she wasn't”

that big and literally right she just kind of did it a little bit she was really into it and there are photos of her and and there's like an interview with her at like one of the matches and she seems like a lovely normal woman it's so creepy it's crazy and and also women never I mean the percentage is like one percent yeah like even if she'd maybe only killed those ten people that a woman fucking killed ten women yes it is not poisoning without the you not

way and not with a gun it's like a personal fucking attack of a strange oh a stranger that you don't know oh I mean there's some deep-seated fucking psychological shit going on there oh let's see if there's a oh I think on Instagram Stephen's been posting oh shit she has a butterfly mask you guys and a butterfly belt and how fucking neon pink is that shit her wearing a butterfly mask seems especially sinister huh like some kind of like because that she's she is a butterfly

“she's gone from you know whatever natural life is so like now she's the secret identity masked”

wrestler and she's blooming and she was accounting at her own fucking in her crystal essence shit

but then there's also like some amazing gold tiger stripes here like I can't take my eyes off

this picture go to Instagram I was Stephen will post it not my favorite murder it's let me take this time to fucking plug our fucking social media good idea great I sound like a great person

lady color awesome yeah that's dark I know also just if you lived in a city where old ladies we're

“getting killed totally like sinister you see it's the devil yeah you're like at least find someone”

young please you someone young and irritated oh my god it's one of those people with the but the young websites yes like like a hacker a young loudmouth hacker but with a computer at the fucking cafe what do you if you built this computer yourself why would you transport it down to the cafe you get one outlet for two hours tops and you can't bring power strips no power strips no fair 100% know unless you're gonna let me use it but you're not you're using all of them and the whole

oh yeah you're setting up your printer right doing what is happening you know someone's going to take a photo of you okay uh she doesn't end it with not depressing things um I really like that

“story and I also like the idea that maybe we can set a short term goal of like within the next five”

years we can become moderately conversational in Spanish okay and Stephen so that's a half decade Stephen can oh you're moderately in math right or Stephen can check it uh and then we could eventually build to be like the girls that we hear to having private conversations publicly yeah and then throwing in a like a lucky charms great whatever though yeah we'll just talk about cereal all the time and car wash cereal gossip yeah okay we're back are there updates for this story

so first of all I just want to say that in the next episode I have a corrections corner about

the fact that I use the term transvestite in the story when I meant transgender so I address that I take full responsibility um in 2023 a documentary called the Lady of Silence the old lady killer case aired on Netflix and it was nominated for best documentary at the aerial awards which is like the Oscars but it's put on by the Mexican Academy of Film Arts and Sciences so that's really cool you guys go check that one out the Lady of Silence I mean it's no surprise

that there's been a documentary this is a scripted show if there ever was one oh yeah and the story is just so horrific and the way she would trick them yes the most evil totally okay well then to counteract that let's get into the good things of the week I'm Jake Brennan and on my podcast Hollywood Land I revisit some of the biggest stories from Hollywood history separating the myths people want to believe from the reality underneath them

like how the story of Marrow and Monroe isn't just the story of the Hollywood icon Marrow and Monroe has become so iconic that her death can only be explained through conspiracy theories and for some fans who can't let go these stories have metastasized from conjecture to accept it fact so on August 4th 1962 Marrow and Monroe died then the rumors started and she died again and now we're going to set the record straight and learn about the way

Marrow and Monroe actually died the third way learn more about what happens when famed media obsession

and conspiracy collide listen to Hollywood Land on the iHeart Radio appa podcast or ever get your podcast welcome aboard season six of the girlfriends flight or fight which takes place 30,000 feet in the sky there's great food comfortable chairs and attentive stewardesses the stewardesses was so beautiful but in reality the stewardess job is far less glamorous than it appears

“it was the most sexist job I think you could have in this era the airlines told these stewardesses”

they have to be single they had no good excuse for why they wouldn't let women be married they have to be skinny we were starving ourselves and they have to be young you would retire at age 32 but one day a group of stewardesses said this has got to stop they've risked it all turning a fight for fairness into a revolution listen to the girlfriends flight or fight on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast it's Chelsea handler from dear Chelsea

this season we've got some awesome guests ready to do a lot of advice guests like Tiffany Haddish kind of

funeral options are usually good there's a lot of good media grocery stores near gyms

“Darcy cardin remember being like I know this is good advice but like I really don't want to do that”

so you didn't take her I didn't take her advice are you still friends with that woman no she actually was kind of toxic Neil deGrasse Tyson I spent my whole life looking up I was a geek kid I had a tall scope at age 12 and so you didn't have sex for a long time

chario Terry were you a soap opera person young and restless okay well first of all you

should know it's the young and the restless I can't even believe you're misprasing it's abbreviated because we've been to you T.S. Madison are you into poly no no I don't think so I could have told you no I'm not okay just it's a poly just based on what she's wearing and the way her hair is style she's not in a poly okay on a ferris day Franco Madeleine Klein Hannah Gatsby Adam Scott

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get your podcasts all right do you have a thing that you like for this week yeah I have a thing I want to shout out um because it makes me feel not horrible okay that is key good are we calling this thing I think we're still calling it like the good thing of the week yeah not catchy no it's not uh this doesn't suck this isn't hey this isn't murder corner no oh so not catch happy uh that that'd be by the by the performer for real that takes too long okay well this one is uh

so a bunch of murdering now's got together uh it was hosted by I think the woman named Sarah Norman is murdering now is a person who put this together but it's uh it's a murderino run so just put the word run in murder run no you know what I mean like are you murder run there and they

“did a uh like a virtual 5k which means like you have to say you're gonna run a 5k okay you know”

no one's gonna check your work but like do it but do it don't be an asshole and everyone would um raise money for the 5k and they raise they all did it all these fucking murder runners um they raised over $3,000 for the joyful heart foundation which is uh foundation who who's effort is

to end the backlog of untested rape kits in the U.S. Wow we're just $3,200 that's amazing yeah and they

went for runs that's all of that yeah I mean it's just a such a cool a cool organization that um I this sub group murdering now sub groups are pretty incredible it's really intense did you somebody um at a meet and greet told us that there's one called the complainerinos where they just go on and they just get to complain and and everybody goes yep you're right and they're they just can log on and just say something that you're mad about and the idea of that makes me laugh so

hard of like just a safe space to go complain get it off your chest and like back to your life I feel like this podcast is that a little bit that's weird doing that definitely at each other I love it let's just yeah it's it's nice it's so good what's yours I guess I guess I would say

um I feel like mine are always Netflix based but we gotta give those recommendations I got

look I got a lay on the couch indefinitely avoiding the rest of my life definitely um I started watching the mind of a chef mm-hmm and it is um Anthony Bourdain is the narrator but it's about this chef um David Chang who is the he has the restaurant mama fluko mm-hmm mama fluko is it fluko oh no you're set it right okay I mean it's a new place in New York or maybe other stuff too yeah and it's just a really good it's a cooking show or like one it's one of those kind

of you know how chefs live and what they're low what they like or whatever but then he also like shows you how to make things cool in a very natural and not like slow way and not he just kind of talks you through it as he's making it in a way that makes me go I bet I could make that and there's one part we were talking about learn to make chicken soup it's the easiest thing in the world then you can give it to someone you love when they're sick it's won't do it there's no reason you

shouldn't learn yeah it was just a super enjoyable show but it's been out for a while and that that same guy is the one who now has the series ugly delicious all right that's his series okay

just making you happy in between fucking golden steak killer chef yes exactly well the food

“chefs are the best man they really are and it's that thing of I don't I'm not interested in”

making it yeah I love to watch I feel like maybe it's because chefs are so different than me yeah like I'd nothing about that appeals to me of like the work it takes now or the situation the fucking they're like you're so rigid they're schedule on your life and everything you do and the timing of it's so easy to fuck it up like I make me want to quit just thinking about how hard it would be to make a dinner like that and then at the end of the day it's new you

have to serve it to a fucking bunch of pleads who might not fucking like it or want to put most more salt on it or whatever yes exactly or they might just be there to criticize it so like and yeah like they're so all they're about is excellence just constant excellence it's really

“impressive yeah but then like so then when you're watching a show like this and then in their”

personality they're kind of cool and chill yeah then you're like oh you're the most fascinating person ever nothing anymore Dan is like just a crush he's just like a crush felt husband yeah just like why are you so cool why are they so cool I don't know it's like they've taken like they've taken it being obsessive and made it work yeah made it make them popular yeah and also good food yeah I don't know I really like that that's cool that's a good like

that's a good like when you're when you need a minute of something beautiful and good and happy yes it's so happy food's really happy it's a celebration and it's also like yeah watching him eat a thing there's a part where they were like in Japan and he was trying they were at this is you know world famous sushi bar or whatever and he's trying these things and chef java tang is trying these things and he loves it so much the food he's being served

is made so perfectly and simply that he's like having a nervous breakdown because he's like I

could never do this and it's the most fun thing to watch one person who's excellent at something

worship someone who's really excellent at something it's just like that whole world it's just a world I don't understand yeah I love to watch I'm there with you yeah let's do it yeah let's go to dinner more yeah let's go to dinner every night every night and don't forget to watch Nancy Silverton's episode of the chef's table who is a famous LA restaurant tour and chef she's fucking awesome it's just an amazing like her dedication and the reason her restaurant

mota so insane because she cares about every single item yeah I met her she's fucking cool too really yeah she seems super cool she's just like just a cool lady yeah yeah love it okay we're back we are back okay so this episode was originally entitled figured out Kevin but if we're naming it today there's so many wonderful choices that we could use including molestate your life what can we please call it last white right now like that in

it's so funny of you call it yourself that though that was pretty good also buckle the fucking which is your shorthand buckle the fuck up pretty great or buckle up but also a big

“bog hole never forget I mean there's there's some serious choices yeah there are listen for the”

choices you know audience and you're listening to these episodes everyone's in a while you'll hear one of the phrases the gling out to you like that sparkly shiny and you'll be like aha

right and you'll never get into our heads about why we picked the one we picked because you're

like that one was the obvious one it's like well but we didn't pick that because it's all subjective exactly it's what's your special special title right you're subjected to thanks for listening directly to this podcast that's right that's this week's episode of The Rewind let's say goodbye from 2018 thanks for listening you guys tough you know let us know how you are yeah yeah Steven loves to read your emails so write them in communicate with us we like it my favorite

winner at Gmail and that's that thanks for listening yeah stay sexy and don't get murdered again I mean oh this one cookie oh that's all like frog it's Chelsea handler from Dear Chelsea this season we've got some awesome guests ready to do a lot of advice guests like Tiffany Haddish kind of slide into people's DMs I like Bumble also girl farmers only dot com that's state sales

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“listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeart Radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts”

on August 4th 1962 Marilyn Monroe died then the rumors started and she died again and now

we're going to set the record straight and learn about the way Marilyn Monroe actually died the third

“way I'm Jake Brennan and on my podcast hollywood land I revisit some of the biggest”

stories from hollywood history separating the myths people want to believe from the reality

underneath him hollywood land is part of the exactly right network listen to new episodes every Monday on the iHeart Radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts welcome aboard season six of the girlfriends flight or fight which takes place 30,000 feet in the sky a beautiful woman smiles and hands you a scotch but you have no idea just how messed up her job actually is

“it was the most sexiest job I think you can have until one day the group of stewardesses”

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