Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 113:  Live at Kingsbury Hall in Salt Lake City

This is exactly right.

“Two Aussie lesbian lovers touched down in 1990's London”

and become the toast of British High Society.

One of them tells an exclusive investment opportunity and soon the money is rolling in. Rich businessman and England's horse-loving elite fall under their seductive spell. They even meet Queen Elizabeth.

But the millionaire duo are concealing a dark past and dastardly intentions. From US geodio, Blanchard House, and exactly right media, this is Royal Swindle. Listen to the entire series now on the I-Hart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] [MUSIC PLAYING] Hello.

Hello. And welcome to rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Every Wednesday, we recap our old shows

with all new commentary and case updates in general, Chitterchanner. Today, we're re-winding to episode 13,

“in which we named live at Kingsbury Hall in Salt Lake City.”

We recorded this live in Salt Lake City, and this episode came out on March 22, 2018. Let's listen to the intro of episode 113. [MUSIC PLAYING] [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

What's up Salt Lake City? [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] Yes. We've got a choreograph that Dan is. Got to.

Someday. Hi, best friends. What's up? [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] There is so many opportunities for screaming at these shows.

Shit. It's the best. Loving it. It looks like there's a ghost walking something that they're seated up there.

Do you guys have ghost dashers here? Because we did not approve that. Is that the undead screaming in the back? What's happening? Oh, here's zombie contingent tonight.

Yeah. Let's-- we love it. They're like, there haven't been zombies in this theater for 25 years. That's right. I'm pulling out all the hits for the live show.

Since 1990. [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] Thanks. I just want to point this out really quick. I stopped curling my hair right about here.

So I was just like, this sucks. I'm bored. If you can't see it, right? Then it doesn't-- then it's not there.

Just always keep your head real turned.

Don't let anybody come up on your hind corridor at all. Just keep it. Hey, hey, keep it to the fairer faucet area. You wanted me to remind you, live corrections corner. Oh, you want to do it right off the top?

Oh, do you? Fresh and sure. I guess I do. Guys, so the episode dropped today. Yeah.

And-- Oh, thanks. Thank you. It happens every Thursday. Thank you.

It's easy. You can do it yourself. It's just you just upload it onto a computer. It's crazy. But get yourself a Steven.

That's right. Make him do everything. See that? Oh, he's not here. [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

He's not here. Although, yeah, no, we don't bring him.

“But doesn't it look like someone standing under here?”

We brought Steven's favorite skirt to use as the table. He's very shy. So he's bent at the waist under this table. Ow. Ow.

We need a moment of silence for the relationship between Jennifer and Annis. Jennifer, Annis, Annis, and Annis. What's his face? Right.

We'll just call him that. We'll just call him that from now on. Matt. Matt? Matt.

Oh. They're just in something. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

I must say. I never bought it. No. But then there's this already already.

“It came out today that they're breaking up.”

And then it's like everyone's rooting for a Brad Pitt and Jennifer and Annis in back together. Nobody cares. Nobody is. And what if every fucking time you broke up with someone,

everyone was like, remember that guy? Did I get 10 fucking years ago? Everyone's hoping you guys get back together. Mary, him for the second mistake in time. You know, though, how he has 10 kids.

Everyone wants you to get back together. Get in there.

Being a step mom to 10 is amazing.

Yeah. Look at that shit. Did I ever tell you the story that I know? That's the secret burbank story? No, OK.

This day is here in the vault. Yes, I'll see. Yes, I'll see. You're in the vault now. [CHEERING]

Can I trust you? With a secret? There's-- it's not really secret. It's a thrift store on Riverside in Burbank. And the word on the street is--

it's the American Heart and Long Association thrift store. All the old ladies are just fucking smoking butts all day. The word on the street is that because it's the one that's the closest to the Warner Brothers Studios, where they shot television show friends.

And when it first came out that Brad Pitt was cheating on Jennifer Aniston with Angelina Jolie when they were shooting some wonderful film in like in Greece or somewhere, it was that Greek one. Yeah, we know, we let's not talk about it.

She took all of his clothes out of his mansion closet and drove it on down to the American Heart and Long Association thrift store and dropped every item of clothing at this. Now, it's Brad Pitt's clothes.

So they're all $11,000 shirts and they smell incredible.

They smell-- [LAUGHTER] I just bought them just to lay face down in a pile of-- No, I wouldn't have done that.

“They're like, do you want to smell what luck smells like?”

Yeah, and so for normally, there's a lot of wicker chairs for sale in this restore and then some paperback books by James Patterson, God bless us all. But then, for like, I'm sure, eight wonderful days.

It was just filled with the highest end clothing. That's all I can guess. That's high end. Hugo Boss, did you? What's high end men's clothing?

Are my cool coars? We'll name everything we've seen in Macy's. Norts from Rack. What is that? That's all I know.

Cool, haunts, lip-on shoes.

There you go. What about your outfit? Well, talk about it a little bit. I like shopping vintage stores. Thank you, because I don't know any names and designers

and now no one can blame me for rent cheap shit, because it's old, it's vintage, it's old, it's fine. That's right. So this is an old dress. Thank you.

Walk it down down the rug. Yeah, yeah, they love it. Oh, a full square. She's doing square footage. Loving it.

It's indra. You just invented the new runway. Big, gorgeous rectangle of rug. On a gorgeous rug, Oriental rug. Oriental rug.

We demand it.

“Thank you whoever brought this from home.”

We really appreciate you letting your foyer go bare for us. This evening, well, we enjoy touching it and loving it. It'll be for sale outside in the lobby after the show. What are you wearing? No, I almost said, what are you doing?

What are you doing over there? Well, I can't find shirts that fit me hands. I don't try to find them. I was going to buy, I swear to God, like nine o'clock at CVS, I was going to buy a black shirt that said burbank on the front of me.

Represent, because I'm a joke. It'll be fine. Don't worry about it. This is actually our-- oh, this is the last weekend away of this tour. I just realized.

That's-- we're capping it off at SLC. Don't worry about the show's here. Yes. Yes. Yes.

You're a see-of-you talk. You guys are the ones. We're doing two shows here, because last night-- tomorrow night. Where are we? This is some time this week.

It's sold out already. So you guys are the ones who didn't wake up early. But die up. And then he may put us on Twitter saying, I don't know show. It's sold out.

Yeah, I'm free at us. So that's what we did for you.

Thank you for advocacy. [CHEERING] We only listen to anger.

Thank you for using your anger constructively.

That's what we mean. Use it to bring us places. That's the way to do it. Oh, this is my favorite murder of the podcast. That's right.

[CHEERING] This is Karen Kilgara. This is George Hart's star. Thank you. [CHEERING]

Lots of-- lots of screaming time.

“Where are the two voices in your head while you drive or work?”

Or are supposed to be doing something else? [LAUGHTER] That's right. I wrote down on this piece of paper to talk about smell like a rave. Because a rave rave, uh-oh.

The archampoe and things in the hotel room smell like me when I would go to raves. It's just like a Victoria's Secret Body Sprays. Uh-oh. It smells like grinding teeth.

Yeah. What is that? Choose powder? The powder of my own mullers.

When you got the first wave of the smell of raves,

what was your first emotional reaction to that smell? Oh. Uh-huh. No. And then deep.

Deep. Deep in it. I see it, babe. How do we both know delight? Perfectly, it's amazing.

Uh-oh. Because my friend Dave Mesmer, one time, when we were in fake college, uh-oh. I dropped out, I met him at the J.C. in the drama department. He didn't, uh, claim to be gay yet,

but he had the hugeist poster of Madonna on his apartment wall that when I walked in, I went, "Oh no, I don't know." Were you hoping to make out? And then you were like, "Ah shit. "Fat, fuck, whatever."

But, uh, he is my lifelong best friend. And, um, wait, what? I thought. [ Laughter ]

I thought I was, even though I'm in two years.

Whoops! I thought I was your lifelong. You have actually pulled ahead of most people. [ Laughter ] [ Cheers and applause ]

I mean, it's not her, I really didn't fucking Hollywood. It's like everyone's the worst person. There's, I mean, I had the choice of her or her husband vents. That was pretty much it. In terms of quality people in Los Angeles.

“Should we tell them with three of us did for Valentine's Day last night?”

[ Laughter ] Yeah. We were, we had a record on Valentine's Day. And then I was like, "We were talking at like two." I'm like, "Let's do it early."

I'm like, "What if Stephen has Valentine's Day plans?" And then it turns out none of us have Valentine's Day plans. Well, this is the best Stephen goes, "Oh, we go." So, that was really big. I was like, "Then, we should have them stay and like,

he pizza, whatever, you know, for Valentine's Day." And so, he asked you, and you're like, "Right." And then we're said, "Like, yes." Fine, uh. And then we asked Stephen, and we're like, "You got a pause."

I'm like, "Oh, do you have a day?" And he's like, "I have to work on this podcast before night." He had to go home and cut out all the bullshit dumb parts. Not fix the date. [ Laughter ]

Yeah. Yeah. His date was... Work was us. It was like, his, the two meanest girls in his life. And then we were like, "Bye, have a good night."

[ Laughter ] Go. Go. Get out of here. I gave him some, um, one of those chocolate things we love.

But guys. Oh, yeah. So, he's fine. He was fine. [ Laughter ]

But guys from Ohio, right? Yeah. Yeah, you guys, no? All right. So, we were just in Ohio. And people gave us repeatedly everywhere we went.

Humongous bowls of peanut butter covered in chocolate. And it would be like in a Tupperware container, or whatever it'd be like, "I had my mother make these for you all night last night." We don't question it. We just fucking eat them. I mean, you just fucking plowed them down. Yeah, we might as well.

Oh, look at this. I'm going to stay over here. Are you going to go way over there? Yeah. Okay. Look at this teeny tiny.

I mean, look at this little kitten. This is one of the safest heights you can sit at. At a cocktail table. I guess I heard that in Utah, they don't -- you sit any higher than this after.

That's right. After midnight, you're not allowed to sit over eight inches above the plane of the table. This is so if you get secretly drunk at your house, you can just put your head on that table. No, go ahead. I'm listening. I'm listening to your story.

I'm going to wear this.

“You should make this into a beautiful skirt.”

This is actually -- this might be the solution to my dress problem. Yeah. I just slip it over my shoes. Yeah. And then I walk out, like, fucking mom and Sean's type of shit here. They gave you this. You could make this into a tube top.

That's gorgeous.

Yeah. Yeah. I know theater terms. I'm of the theater. Oh, the end of that Dave's story.

“Oh, yeah. My second best friend of the world is we were at a party one night.”

We got insanely high to the point where we could only sit on the couch. And I was definitely having a panic attack for sure. But I hadn't had one before. So I was just like, "It's all ending now." I'm so young.

And then I realized I wasn't dying. It was just that Dave wouldn't stop lip syncing the delight album. That made him from the side. She was like, "Eenie!" Just like syncing people when you're fucking really high. Yeah. So he's just like, "Dee!" "Dee!" "Pending!" She was like, "Please don't make me."

That's not even a good delight song either.

No, it's just the first one. And then he continued to do it for the rest.

Jesus Christ. Look, I'm not here to complain about Dave. I am. I am. That's what your murder is. Dave. Oh, you didn't know. I killed him real quick. I took care of Dave for you. Dave Massmer, everybody. I'm going to kill him. Oh, I feel like we should think, even though that you'd probably didn't do it,

that this place caught Ted Bundy. So thanks, you saw. It's all like City. Oh. Thanks, guys. I missed the verb caught caught. But I thought it happened in Florida. No, he has, well, he got out of it. He escaped from here. Right? Oh, I see. When he jumped out of the jail window, and then ran up the hill. No, it's a different time. Hi. He's got from Colorado.

Sorry, hold on a second. She's still yelling. And she started. But she goes,

"Hi. I'm Celine back." Oh, shit. You're the documentary filmmaker. Get out of here. Get out of here. Get out of here. I didn't even go. Oh, my God. I thought it was just an audience member that's like, you need to know my first and last name before I tell you, Ted Bundy facts. Holy shit. Here. There's Vince. Get over here.

It's Anthony. It's Anthony. Get out of here. You told us you can't. You're coming tomorrow.

“And so that's why we didn't know. How did he know? This was a secret. Oh.”

But we talked to you immediately. We started yelling this second. You have the chance. I know the rules, but as soon as you said, Ted Bundy escaped from here, I was like, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Let me tell you. Just say it. How do we get it wrong just now?

I'm so Ted escaped twice from Colorado. Okay, the second time is when he went to Ann Arbor

and then went to Florida for his final killings. Girl. Tell everyone what you do and what happened to you. Oh, I just hope a baby didn't catch up to them. It's so exciting. Hi. So I'm the director of Florida, the documentary that's going on. So everyone here has been tweeting at me, but I didn't want to say that I was coming today. So I feel bad. I feel great. Give us a hug. Okay. Thank you. Bye. Is she leaving? I don't know. Oh, okay. You're going to stay for the show, right?

Oh, yeah. Okay. If we have any questions, we'll ask you. You're like, and her name is something,

“and I'm like, oh, shit. Okay. That's the best thing of all time. I just thought it was like,”

she was basically like, it thought she was at a town hall meeting, which is like, "Hello, I'm Slain Beck," and I'm on the actor's track. I just want to let you know. You're pretty much wrong about everything all the time. Okay. Thanks for podcasting. Perfection. We miss some shit sometime. I mean, could you imagine if people made documentaries where they were at least like, and then Ted Bundy, 10 years after he actually did the thing? We just got everything wrong. Yep. Do a follow-up documentary?

Okay. Here's the stuff we should have looked at a little closer. Listen. Look, listen. Look. We're not perfectionists. It's certainly. And we're back. That was a fun one. All the way back in 2018. What a weird mile marker that we all live by at least in my generation of Jennifer Aniston's relationship. Totally. We're just waiting and hoping for her to find love. I feel like Justin Thoreau,

Yes. Well, and what's weird is I remember the first movie I saw him in, and I was like,

“who's this hot, hunk, newest hunk of the week? Right. I do think that I don't know why actors”

marry each other. Just don't do that. It's not going to work. You're of course you're attracted to each other, you're both really hot. And dramatic and fun and excitement everywhere. Yes, especially if you're successful and like, you know, totally. Not to be insulting. You have to be a little bit unhinged to be an entertainment industry, the an actor actress. Like, that's kind of fully part of what it takes to like, pretend to be someone totally different.

Yet you need a grounded earth sign for your insanity. Sorry to be that way. I don't know what that means. I love when you see like such and such like Reese with her spoon and her fucking bank executive boyfriend or her fucking architect has finance. Finance, but like, yes, I guess the point is of Jennifer Aniston can't find love. It is their hope for humanity, you know, if we do enough Pilates and drink in a smart water. Here's the good news. That American Heart Association

thrift store is still alive and probably thriving now more than ever on Riverside. I just drove by at the other day. We've got to go. We've got to stop it. We've got to. There's anything left from him. I got an incredible couch there that was very Laura Engels Wilder, but it fit for what kind of weird thing I was doing in my office at the time. Big old, very comfortable to lay on old couch. Do you ever think and think your lucky stars that we neither of us well,

me at least you could tell me yourself. Never got bad bugs or skabies or atlice from the

all the trees right now. I've always had skaties from the all the thrifting we've done.

“Like, oh, yeah, there is no reason for real. It's like, well, I think it's because my mother always”

washed everything in extra hot and would say you're going to get skabies shopping at thrift stores. Yeah. So you kept an eye out. And I said, you're a classist. You're like, I'm actually going to give thrift store skabies. So I'm bringing the filth to the same sense into Paul. So I'll get everybody. Moths. I definitely have moths. Like, I've inherited some moths for sure. I have some moths right now, because I just pulled a coat, a very old coat out of the back of a closet to do a closet,

like swipe through. And this thing was covered in these things. I was like, there's only one thing it could be. Yeah, moths. Can I tell you how satisfying it is? They have these like, they're plug-in sticky papers with like a blue light. So all the bugs are attracted to it and get on the sticky paper or fucking RIP, you know, sorry, you paid it. Peter, it is so satisfying to pick that up and see all the little critters that were going to have flying your mouth while you're sleeping

and it's dead aren't on you. Oh, it's so good. That was really good. Yeah. Also, I don't think Peter extends their well wishes to the insect community. I really don't. That's the only animal. I feel comfortable. Hey, not hating is an eye loving sense. Clearly, I killed them all. What else did we cover it? What else did we not talk about? 2028. Victoria's a great body spray. We should have done, you know, what we should do on a fan call is a bunch of if we can get a hold of them 90s

perfumes identifying scent test. Mine was Apple. Yes. Happy by clinic. Oh, happy by clinic. We got to put poison question viewers. Which I have an amazing, I probably have told you this, but my friend Amy Dordy that I went to high school with got her knee wrecked in like when she was a senior and she was going into the emergency room and she was wearing poison perfume. The admitting

nurse goes, what the hell are you taking that off? Never wear that again. I got like super mad at her.

Oh, I love it. But like also telling a nurse you're wearing poison. She's like, what? Like, what? That doesn't make any sense. Get out of here. It was the time for dramatic

“clones and perfumes. Gina, hey, oh, oh, I just wrote for what is Sunflower. Oh, yeah. Remember Sunflower”

that I did that and then I went to happy. Oh, I would love to smell that right now. CK1. We have to do CK1. How many boys did you love and then you realize you just loved that CK1? Yeah, I really love you. There was a guy one called you. And that one. That was a commercial. Oh, my God. I didn't want to look at it right now. It's fine. If we do that for the phone call, then we also have to add in sweet honesty, just like as a wild car. Oh, yes, as a smeller. Yeah, Molly, are you getting all this?

No, it's been recorded. Yeah. What about Liz Clayborn perfume in the triangle? Yeah, Liz Clayborn mine for a long time. All right. We can go on and on. We've done it. We've done it. Do that's, and there's juke for ohm as well for him. Home home home. Home juke in a way. Home juke. Okay. All right, we've done it. Let's get into this. Okay. We're, we're fucking off on a live show. This is unprecedented. Really. All right. Well, let's get into the stories, shall we? These are

“good ones. That's right. Also, just to get back to the live show, I remember this being a really”

fun show, and I have the best memories of, of Salt Lake City performing there. Salt Lake City was, I don't know what I was expecting, but they were so with us like right and locked up with us. It was all college kids. So it's just like, and teachers and stuff. So it was so much fun. Yeah, it felt so good. No, I totally remember this. I can, I saw that it was the, that library story. I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah. This was great. Okay. Well, we're going to get into it now. Georgia had to go

first this time. So this is Georgia story about Ronnie Lee Gardner.

Two Aussie Lesbian lovers touched down in 1990s London and become the toast of British High Society. One of them tells an exclusive investment opportunity, and soon the money is rolling in.

“Rich businessman and England's horse-loving elite fall under their seductive spell.”

They even meet Queen Elizabeth, but the millionaire duo are concealing a dark past and dastardly intentions. From U.S. Giorgio, Blanchard House, and exactly right media, this is Royal Swindle. Listen to the entire series now on the iHeart Radio app, apple podcasts,

or whatever you get to a podcast. I go first, right? Do you? Yes. Do you go first? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Okay. Yeah. I went first today. We've actually just caught up with ourselves podcasting wise. What? It's today today in this world. Back. All right. Could we have some oxygen rolled down onto the state? Just for fun. People have fainted on this stage. That is a little warm, right now. I want to do it. Do it. Go down in the middle of this story. I'll do it. I'm here for it. What if I have to pee and so I just pretend to faint so I can go pee and then come back.

If you fake a seizure, you can pee during it. Oh, because yeah. That's a great, grandmau. Grandmau,

“baby. Let it all go. What if I actually have a seizure now and everyone thinks I'm fake it?”

Come on. This isn't going to work. Just roll you up in this carpet. Okay. This is, if anything happened to us, we would just be taking off the stage and Celine would be right up during one

fucking second. She's actually happened to have a PowerPoint presentation of all the times they've been

wrong. That's exciting. It is. This is the story of the murderer, Ronnie Lee Gardner, Utah. What a dick. Is this guy real dick? He's a real dick. Okay. All right. This guy Ronnie Lee Gardner. He's born in Salt Lake City, Utah. You've heard of it. On January 16th, 1961. Great. There we are. Okay. Don't get defensive about it. I'm establishing a time in a place. I see. He is the youngest of seven fucking children. It's not where you want to be. His father's a heavy drinker and when

Ronnie's a toddler, he's like, you know what I'm going to start over and try this again and he leaves to start a new family. Oh, you gave it a shot and it didn't work, so maybe you shouldn't keep trying. Yeah. Get out of the family business to go into like mattresses or something. It's not working for you. You tried seven times. Yes. So soon after that, Ronnie. Okay. Ronnie is an asshole. He ate him. However, he had really no chance not to be based on his childhood. I mean, it's bad.

Okay. Let's do it. Soon after, little baby Ronnie is found wandering the streets in a diaper, malnourished. What? Just fucking walked away. The way you used to do, but it was funny when you did it. That's right. Because I like pig tails. Yeah. We're in the country. Then you were like supervised. Yeah. That's right. Oh, it was lightly supervised. It was, you were 1970. Something supervised. Right. Which meant a truck drove by everyone's no one. Which now would be child neglect.

Okay. Yeah. Well, child welfare comes in and has it as a fail to care petition, takes him into custody,

but later return him to his mother. And according to Ronnie, he was raised by an older sister, and also he was sexually abused by his siblings. Sometimes he in a sister, Bonnie would run away and seek refuge. They'd be like this home life sucks. Let's go somewhere safe. By the time he's 10 years old, Ronnie is addicted to drugs and he's allowed to have alcohol. 10? Which like my mom bought music as he might have tried when I was 12. So mom, it's your fault. All of this is your fault.

“I made myself a wine spritzer when I was, I think I was in seventh grade. Me and my friend,”

Holly drank our parents liquor and talked on the phone one time. Oh my god. Just like, let's just

do it. Who cares? You thought you were so sophisticated? I need a drink. I am seven grade. I'm the youngest alcoholic in my school. The proud of that. So Ronnie had this still had a relationship with his father, but it was a really shitty relationship because his dad didn't think that Ronnie was his biological kid. So he, any told his son and all his siblings at all the time, which is a great way to raise your kid or not your kid. He was, he, so Ronnie and his brother were arrested for stealing cowboy boots

and taking to juvenile detention, which I think is something you probably would have done. Absolutely. Exactly. Technically, I did steal them off of my sister. I've told this story, but my sister on her fifth, her sixth birthday, my aunt Jean gave her a pair of red cowboy boots. And when she opened the box, I screamed at the top of my lungs, put them on and would not take them off. And then I wore red cowboy boots for like two years straight. Yeah. Finders keepers. That's right.

Screamers keepers. So they go to do it on detention and his father comes and takes his brother home, but won't take him home because he's like he's not my son. I'm not bailing him out. That's like, all right. Yeah. So Ronnie's mom eventually marries another man and they have nine children.

“What in the, yeah, Catholics? You talk. Does that even happen?”

Okay. But Ronnie actually admired his stepfather because he had been in prison in the past. And he used his stepson as look out while burglarizing home. Good. Yes. You've got to get a whole family like a thing going. What is everybody like? Do you like to play Uno? Do you like to burglarize your neighbors? Whatever it is. Do it as a family. Yes. And then, uh, bu bu bu and detention institutions. All right. So by his teens, early teens, he had been in all these places locked up. While he's in the Utah State Industrial School in Ogden, Ronnie is visited pretty good school.

I think it's like a lockup. It's like a juvenile detention school. It's a shoe v. Okay. Ronnie's visited by a man that his brother is ran. Randy's living with and he's like, hey,

“this guy, this older dude is great. His name's Jack Statt. Let's, I'm living with him. You should live with him, too.”

Jack Statt, eat Statt. Like, yeah, immediately, immediately. I just say that you know like the same word by just said. Yes. Statt Statt. Like, quickly. Um, in 1975. So Ronnie moves in with Statt. Yeah. And becomes, in this guy becomes an official foster parent to the boys. And so Ronnie at the time is saying that of his foster care, it's the most stable period of his life. St. Jack was a good man and he tried to help us out. Jack was also molesting them. And that was still the best home life he's experienced.

So it's just fucking sad. It's terrible. Um, he said, I thought life was normal. I thought that was normal. And he said he also worked as a, um, he worked as a sex worker while living with Statt as well. And he's in his teens. Yeah. Yeah. So then he meets, I don't know what year exactly. But he meets a woman named Debra Bischoff or a teen. I don't know how old she was either. I did my homework. Um, they needed an assault leg city apartment complex.

Whereas mom lives and they fall in love. Debra describes Ronnie as very caring. He never put me through.

He never put me in the rough situations. He was in throughout his life. He sheltered me from that stuff. I feel like we got to get our standards a little higher. He doesn't punch me in the face. He doesn't take me along with burglarizing. He keeps me out of that because of that. I love him so. Yeah.

But a month after his son is born, Ronnie's convicted of robbery and sent to the Utah State prison.

We'll see a picture of him. Yes. Good. Oh, I mean, I just couldn't not put this photo out.

“He looks like Steven there. Oh, yes. Not what you expected, right?”

Next, Tatson. That happens in court. So he's like dressed up this. But also leaning on your hand. I'm leaning on your fist with your chin like that is Steven Ray Morris. Oh my god, it is. That's like how he podcasts records. And then he reaches his fingers out and then strokes his mustache. Like, I'm not fucking even making this up. I'm not even making fun of him. I mean, I am. But I'm, but he really does it. And then we look over at him and we go to say one thing to him and he goes,

Steven, Steven, we really like you. You do. Happy Valentine's Day. Happy Valentine's Day editing

our terrible voices that you're so sick of. So sick of him. He missed some pizza and these cheese mozzarella sticks. Yes. They were so bad. They came with ketchup. But the sticks themselves were perfect cylinders of mozzarella cheese that was fried frozen. Like, they came out of a box. Look, I mean, I'm not judging. What do you want fucking fresh mozzarella sticks? No fucking way

“frozen. Old from somewhere. Oh, ketchup. Hard to eat. That's what I'm looking for. I ate all of”

that. You're like, do you remember me? I was eating them alongside you judging these things. We got a salad and then I ate it with my hands. Right. Why did I do that? It's kind of how you wrapped up the meal. It's like how you let everyone know we're done doing this. It's like, I have to eat my quota of lettuce. Yes. Seven handfuls of lettuce and we're done with dinner. Okay. So that's Ronnie in August of 1984. Well, in prison, Ronnie fakes an illness by vomiting.

He didn't have a fake seizure. There's so many ways. I mean, he fakes an illness and he's transported the University of Utah hospital. Is that next door? He's in the basement. He attacks the transportation officer at that moment and is like, fuck, there's some out of here. He forces the officer to unlock his shackles by telling him, I guess you know that I guess you know if that doctor comes back, I'll have to kill you both. So he makes him take off his shackles at gunpoint and then in the course

of his escape, he hits the officer so hard that he needed wires to reconstruct his face. Fuck. Yeah. So like we're not on his side anymore. Okay. All empathy has died. Yeah, we got him. Cowway boots is just for a good real thing, man. I was relating to him in a very serious way. Right.

Up until the we said the word wire. I know. Reconstruct. That's not. Come on. That never goes.

Well, just escape. Yeah. Just fucking escape. Let people have their face.

“Then. So he's like, okay, he got out of the hospital, but he's like, how do I get the fuck out of here?”

He finds a dude, a medical student who's like, hey, I'm a medical student and I write a motorcycle. And he gets on the back of the motorcycle with the guy holds the gun to his back and it's like, get me the fuck out of here as if it's like fucking James Bond or something. Yes. I have to say I kind of like that because you know that medical student was a cocky mother fucker. So it's just like, yeah, how about if we hold the gun to you every once in a while,

you're son of a bitch? And if nothing else, he had the coolest story to tell on Monday. Exactly. You know what I mean, lately. He's a he's the cool doctor who fucking writes a motorcycle, which is like, if you're a doctor and you're doing that, you don't care about yourself. That's right. You're you're taking your own pills for sure. Because you see what happens to people who write motorcycles and fix them and you're like, this is made reconstruction. It's a serious,

wire situation. And you're like, I'm going to get one too though. That's right. It's exactly right. Okay. So well, we've ripped doctors and no one. And everyone who came here on a motorcycle. Hi. It's half the crowd is doctors. The other half is from a motorcycle club. They're like, oh, you didn't know this university was a teaching hospital. Almost everyone here is in medicine in some way. Well, when I faint,

nobody comes to me. I'm faking it. Pop a wheelie didn't just like blaze on out of the parking lot. Yeah. Later days. Yeah. Okay. Boop, boop, boop, letter. Okay.

he puts the firearm gun. That's copy of the gun and a note into a mailbox. And in it, he writes,

here's the gun and the wallet taken from the guard. So he gives the wallet back. He's like, sorry about the face. He didn't apologize for that. Taking from the guard. I don't want to hurt no one else. I just want to be free. So he returns and he's like, just not coming back. Well, that's kind of nice. Right. But then place, please hold. Yes. Okay. All right. So he gets he's on October 9th, 1984. He's fucked up on cocaine. And he goes to a place called Cheers Tavern. Totally forgot

“to say if it was still there. I'd like to hear you show it. Do you have a cheers remake here?”

I don't know if it's a fucking clip or Norman Cliff like sitting at the end of the bar. And I'm

trying to Norman Cliff. Oh, why isn't that happen yet? After party at Cheers Tavern. Oh, my God. Okay. Sam Malones and the balcony. I'm so excited. And that was my stash. So they go. He goes there to rob the place, right? What? He was stash. Sam alone. He had a mustache. Are you thinking of the, yours thing you have clipclave in the mailman? Yeah. He had one too. Girl, don't do this. Okay. Where are we? All right. Well, here. Let's stop laughing because he's fucked up on coke. He

goes to Rob Cheers Tavern. And he ends up shooting the bartender at Melvin John Otterstrom in the face, killing him. And Ronnie makes up with less than a hundred fucking dollars, too. Then Ronnie goes to fucking Melvin John Otterstrom's funeral and pretends to be a childhood friend. What? What a deck. Like that's a meas is like crosses the line between like you were fucked up and shot someone and you suck. But like it's just so creepy. It's, no, that's super creepy. Yeah. So it's about also,

how is that the same guy that puts the wallet back in the fucking mailbox and it's like,

“sorry for your troubles. No, it's nine or no. That's, wow. Here's a photo of, um, of where did it go?”

Oh, that's not the right page. So like basically he went to this guy's funeral and like mingled

enough so that he was telling people he was. Yes. Yeah. This is Melvin John Otterstrom. Boop. Oh. Look at Kenyans. Um, and then okay. So, uh, okay. Three weeks later, Ronnie gets captured at the home of his cousin and once he's captured Ronnie says that the shooting occurred because Otterstrom put up a fight, but investigators didn't find any evidence to support that, which I'm like, it's still your fucking fault dude. Like yeah. You're going to be put up a fight for his fucking life.

Also, you're on coke. You don't know what's fucking going on. Like every, you, you're, no. Um,

“Ronnie's held in custody his getaway driver testifies against him. So during the trial for this murder”

on, um, April 2nd, 1985 at the Metropolis Metropolis Metropolitain. That's right. Fuck. You got it though. They're charmed. They're ties with charmed. They're, well, because it looks like Metropolis and then it changes, you don't even like, it could go away in the beginning. But it's not. It's Metropolitain. You know the Metropolitain. You know that word I've known for fucking the 37 years I've been on this planet, but I just didn't see Metropolitain. Um, all of justice in Salt Lake City. So Ronnie gets a

smuggles. Someone smuggles him a fucking revolver. Revolver? Yes. Revolver at his trial and Ronnie attempts to escape. He fucking has his gun. Who did it? Well, we'll get there. Okay. Um, he, he's, he has his gun. He's immediately shot in the chest by guard. The guard leaves their handsley. But he continues on his fucking escape with a fucking gunshot window to the chest. Was he still on coke? Probably. Okay. He wins an unarmed bailiff named George Nick Kirk by shooting him in the abdomen and then ran into

the courtroom archives where attorneys rob McRee and Michael Burdell are. So they're just like in the fucking archives being like, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Go in like we lie a lot. Let's look at some old ones. Let's see what we can find about this. This these stories are incredibly. Yeah. That's a memorize every fucking word. Yeah. Like we don't even, we're not even on trial today. Yeah. We're just loving law. Yeah.

shit for his pro bono work for his church. So like you couldn't be there for like a more honest reason. Yeah. And Ronnie shoots him in the eye, and then runs outside of the building where he's surrounded by dozens of police officers. Please softeners.

“Sorry. That's a good one. Police softeners. It's like like, well, I, yeah. For cops.”

He drops the gun and yells, don't shoot. I don't have a gun, but I'm like, me the fucking people you just shot. Yeah. That's right. You know what I mean? Sorry. This might be a dumb question.

The guy that he shot in the eye, you just keep jumping ahead. Okay. No, no more. No more from me. He dies. Oh, I know. Sorry. But the bailiff's Nick Kirk survives. Okay. Um, however, he dies 11 years later, and as St. Lisa says, it's from complications from the shot. The gun shot went which I'm like, yeah, you get shot in the gut. You're the rest of your fucking life. So I think, I can. Yeah. But Ron, Ronnie. Yes. For sure. During a search of the courthouse, then they find a bag of men's clothing and the basement under a woman's restroom sink.

So someone had come in, stash and clothing for his getaway. A woman woman. And then it's believed that the gun had been taped to a water fountain

on the first floor, and then passed to Ronnie as he was escorted into the courthouse in the underground parking garage.

So they find, um, they find, they find his girlfriend Darcy, um, unarmed and arrested about a mile away.

“And her sister, uh, karma, won't, karma? That's what it says. She sent in to eight years in prison”

for delivering the clothes and message in preparation for the escape attempt. But they don't know who actually gave him the gun. So she's got, like, gets prison. Okay, karma. She gets this, this, the, this girl friend's sister goes to prison. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's bullshit. Right.

So, uh, let's see here. I think I have a photo of this. That's him. The beard. Oh my dad.

I think it looks like our therapist a little bit. Oh my god. Oh my god. He totally looks like her therapist. It's intention versus, like, you're going to say, what I'm hearing your experiences. Can you turn to Karen and say that? No, it's awkward. That's the best worst part of our therapy sessions. If we're like saying something meaningful, now I'll be like, will you turn to George and say that? And then I'm like, looking at her is the most repulsive thing in that, oh my god. I'm just like,

no, no, I mean, like, well, for myself. We have something to talk about. I should have said vulnerable. I'm upset. I should have, but you did it. Oh, no. Strike 19. Well, that's right. That down. Steven. Steven Mark that moment. Mark that moment. Uh, that's going to be a mini-sode of just using that. God, that was the worst word I could have used. I'm so suffering. Yeah. I mean, I look pretty fucking ugly when I grow. Internal feelings impact on it. Intent. Let's take one more look at it.

Oh, yeah. Here we go. Calm down a little red and help us. The grain of the temples. Well, think as I said this thing, what did you hear, George? When you heard that. And then I'm like, well, I felt like I was about to faint because it's, I have no ear. You know how warm I am right now. Are you really? Or are you about to chew about to fucking faint? Do this thing. Oh, sweaty. Okay. Boop. This is a viral moment waiting to happen. Maybe I'm just embarrassed because of the word

“Metro. What did I call it? Metropolitan. I don't remember. I don't either. No one else does either.”

No, thanks. I'm glad they didn't happen. Okay. Boop. Boop. Boop. Boop. Boop. Boop. Okay. So when that. Okay. So Ottersham, it was the guy from the bar was a mountain climber and a veteran of the 19 special forces group of the Utah National Guard. And so is she. Thank you for your service. And the other guy, therapist for Dell, was a Vietnam veteran, a former engineer and a member of the summum church.

sh*t and shot in his chest, right? June 1985, he pleads guilty to the murder of Oström. The

Jerusalem rate less than three hours and find him guilty of capital murder. And life without parole isn't possible back then. They didn't come around until 1992 in Utah. Oh, so he sent him to death, making him then Utah's youngest inmate on death row. And later, the jurors say that if they had known about his troubled past and his childhood, they maybe just if they could have given him life sentence, they would have, but you know, they couldn't, as I just said. Okay. Which is like,

this pay attention, stop making me repeat myself. Article. Okay, here's a, here's an insane thing. And this is, this is fucked up. He's given the choice how he wants to be executed. Oh, you know, it's like, what, why don't we get that choice? You wise that, just pick your dinner and be quiet. Yeah, you got to choose your dinner. But no pixis. So he says, quote, I'd prefer to die of old age or honor. But if that ain't possible, I'll take the firing squad. Holy suck. He is not

“fucking around. Yeah. And he's been shot once already. So he fucking knows what it feels like. Right?”

Like, that's the craziest part. That doesn't feel good, probably. No, I've never, he wouldn't want

to go back to that. And yet, and yet, he was just like, wow, that's nuts. So since 1976, only two other people have been executed by firing squad of the United States, both in Utah. But I wouldn't chair for that. I'm kidding, I would. Gary Gilmore and John Albert Taylor. So, but this guy Taylor chose the firing squad to embarrass the state. But Ronnie said that he just didn't want to track attention. He just wanted, he just preferred that way to die. Wow. So he got in a lot of

trouble in prison on October 20, 1997. Okay, he's in the prison visiting area. There's a glass partition between him and the woman he's talking to. He fucking breaks the glass partition. But then they somehow gets over the partition, I hope. And he and the woman have sex, like, through the broken partition, well, the fucking other inmates cheered and barricaded the door. And, oh, the fucking woman is his half-brothers' wife. What? What the fuck shit you're

tall? What is Christmas like? What is the Thanksgiving conversation that year? My first

“question is, let's talk about that glass. Yes. I hope that that's what I'm saying. I hope”

they jumped over it somehow, and it doesn't have sex on it. That's the least of my worries. But you used to be just a very thin pain of a tiffy-steam glass between the prisoners and their guests. That's insanity. Well, I think that the glass starts bone-in is fucking sister-in-law, and the rest of the person was like, hell yeah, and fucking crazy, right? We're like, that must have been like the hottest, like, prisoner phone call through that glass,

and they're like, how was Thanksgiving? That was your fucking Thanksgiving. Just a question I want to ask you. Yeah. I mean, fuck, right? Literally. Then on September, oh yeah. Then on September 25th 1994, so he's still alive. He gets drunk from alcohol that he had made in his prison toilet.

“No, thank god. Damn it. Sink, which is like, yeah, right. That's what you told people.”

And he stabs another inmate, Richard Fatt's Thomas with a ship that he had made from pair of sunglasses. Also, prisoners have sunglasses. You still got to be cool. I guess you got to protect those papers. That's right. The UV rays up here are in say. Hey, get you. The air is thin. The dude suffers a nine puncture wounds to the face, mouth, arm, and chest that our life threatening buddy makes a full recovery. So, so he's having a good time in prison. It seems like he's

really criminaling it up. Yeah. Okay, cut to June 18th, 2010. 2010. 2010. That's fucking year. That's your favorite year for murder. So sneaky. Oh, here's him. Like, oh, that's the, okay. Well, Steven put these in the wrong. Skin order. Steven? Oh, now I'm scared. It's Steven's fault. You were pronounced metropolitain that way. Lecture pilot. What did I say? I don't remember. Well, metropolitain. Thank you for

but I'm scared that Steven left one of those photos out. And I don't want to go to your picture.

“Everyone close your eyes, you're okay. I think you just put in the wrong order. Should I do it?”

Who cares? I don't want to do it here. Okay, which word? I don't even know what mine are. Just go ahead. Okay, there he is. Oh, no, you've ruined my thing. No, no, that's, that's funny. Bring Ren back up. I have some complaints. That's funny. That's funny. This is named Ren, you guys. Um, okay. So Boop. Yeah. I'm sorry. Can you go back really quick? Yeah. He looks like, he looks like Matt Walsh, the guy on Veep. Oh, he does. Look like that. Look at him.

Think about it. HBO, if you have to. Oh, God. Yeah. It's Matt Walsh. Veep. All right. So, finally, in 2010,

Ronnie is now 49 years old. It's been a quarter of a century that he's been on death row, which is a long fucking time. Well, it's 25 years. Finally, but he, I'm going to ignore that now.

“Ren, Ren. I'm going to ignore you. Finally, he's fucking, on June 18, 2010, he's eliminated.”

Okay. Wait, let me tell you something. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I read that wrong. But by 2004, Utah had eliminated the firing squad. There it is. There is someone in the audience who is not a fan of the show. Oh, my God. Doesn't know what's happening in his story. This is fucking wrong. Yeah. What's happening is wrong. I'm dizzy right now. So I'm going to blame everything on that. This podcast. Great. Um, they, so Utah was like, maybe we shouldn't, let's

eliminate the firing squad by 2004 as a method of execution. But convicts who were sentenced before that date are still allowed to have that option. If they want to pick it, yeah. Okay. So they're like, you can, like, it doesn't, it doesn't retroactively, they're not like, they're grandfathered into being shot. Yes. Yeah. I got it. Exactly. What? You know you're in charge. You can change that, right?

“No. This isn't some weird movie where you have to get shot this way. Yeah. So just after midnight,”

five anonymous executioners, uh, they're behind a curtain and a ported brick wall. Don't know what that is. Ported. Ported. Ported. One rifle had a blank round, so no one would be like, it was me. You know what I mean? They didn't know. He is pronounced dead at 12 17 a.m. and after he was executed, the daughter of one of the victims said, uh, I hope my sister who just passed away and my father and all of the other victims are waiting for his sorry us. I hope they get to go

down after him. Whoa. You like to do that? Can you go back and forth? I feel like we're, I feel like we're about to write the new Marvel movie. Oh. Yeah. I'll pull you out of hell. Something like that. We're going to go down after him. They're going to be so good. And they're going to beat him up in hell. Yeah. They're like, we're hanging out and having it's great up here. Let's do a fucking quick twist. This is my laminate. Yeah. I get to go back up when that's just

our team is going to fucking out. You're just going to kick some assholes ass really quick. Yeah. And then we get to know what I'm going to say. I'm not staying here. I was good. I hope they get to go down after him. Oh. Yeah. And that's the story of a fucking Ronnie Lee Gardner. Wow. Hey. I told you he was a dick. So it's a real like roller coaster though with that guy. I mean,

I don't know. You were here. You were there. You were here. Then you were back there. It's always

very complex. These with these stars. You know, it's an emotional roller coaster. It really is a metropolitan size. This almost the size of a metropolitan. I just start using that word in correctly because I just want to prove that I know how to say it. You're like looking at a charcuterie board. You're like, is this metropolitan? Cheese. Pull it out anywhere. We're back. Do you have any updates? I do. Ronnie Lee Gardner's brother, Randy Gardner,

has been openly against the death penalty, especially by firing squad. He's partnered with worth rises. Death penalty action. Faith leaders and community advocates to combat Idaho's recent pivot to making firing squad executions. The state's primary method for carrying out death sentences. Like, that is not good. That is not good. That's aggro. Yeah. Idaho is one of several states

lethal injections. That's not the solution for the answer. What that is is the fast track to

“fascist death squad. Hey. Hello. America. Hi. You voted for this. Anyway, well,”

half of you. Less than half of you did. Not these guys. Not us. Not these. Not a murderino for God's sake. Murderies are part of the solution. Everyone knows that. All right. Well, let's get into Karen's story. Now, Shawley, this is the Salt Lake City Library Hostage Incident. Two Aussie lesbian lovers touched down in 1990s London and become the toast of British High Society. One of them tells an exclusive investment opportunity and soon the money is rolling in.

Rich businessman and England's horse-loving elite fall under their seductive spell.

They even meet Queen Elizabeth. But the millionaire duo are concealing a dark past and dastardly intentions. From U.S. G. Audio, Blanchard House and exactly right media, this is Royal Swindle. Listen to the entire series now on the iHeart Radio app. Apple podcasts, or whatever you get to a podcast. My story tonight is one of my classic. It was an episode of iSurvive.

As most of us do, I have all of my on my DVR and I was laying on my couch for 19 hours, the other day. Not taking care of things and this episode rolled up and they were like Salt Lake City, Utah. And then I was just like, my homework. Yeah, I'm like, I have to sit here. Yes, that's the best. This is working. This just turned into borderline clinical depression. Now I'm at work.

“That's how easy it is in the podcast world. When there's a podcast about the murder,”

you're going to do that week. You're like, I gotta clean my bathroom. So I'm just sitting in front of my computer. Yes, I have a weird way of enjoying myself. I mean, cleaning my toilet. Okay, so it is satisfying now. Do you ever use one of those bleached things you stick in the back of the toilet and then the water is just leechy all the time? No. Get into it. They're the best. You know everyone's while you just have a ring of mold or you're like, what's coming out of me? This is, I'm disgusting. No.

Well, I mean, not like a, not crazy. It's just you see it for me where you're like, something or something's going on. Something's happening. Let's get one of those fucking chlorox bleached pills or whatever they're called. Do you take you swallow it? Yeah, then you're like, got it. Okay, I'll do it. I'm going to take a bleached pill and then I would not mold coming out of the anyway. It looks kind of like a big sweetheart. You put it on a really hard on avocado toast. It's really delicious with a fried egg on top. Just get some,

like maybe a coconut oil on top. So it just absorbs the intense chemicals. Where were we? Oh, no idea. We are in the metropolis. It's definitely hallucinating at this point. Uh-huh. Okay. So, but then, so I watched it. It's great. Then, good old Steve Ray Morris sends me a 2020 episode about the same story, which of course is more in depth and actually has reenactors, which is the greatest. And so now I'm going to retell you a 2020 episode. Like I used to retell you.

I survived episodes. This is a bacterium. It's like a mashup. That's right. That's right. It's like a layer cake where my knowledge began on an episode of I survived, folded in the 2020. And now this is just like we're

“all at the campfire together. And I'm like, remember TV? Okay. Listen to this. It's the cake at the campfire?”

Yep. Okay, good. Yeah. We get to have cake and bleach pills. It's going to be the best campout ever. It is the Salt Lake City Library hostage crisis. Do you remember?

You guys had a library hostage crisis? Dude, did they fucking ever? First of all, let's just take a look

at the Salt Lake City public library. Circa, whenever Steven found this picture, let's see. This is the old branch I believe is a correct. See old branch. It looks old. That's just the colors. That's so 70s. Look at that poor building on stills.

The architects like we're painting all of our hopes on you. Oh, man. This says future learning.

“This Salt Lake City public library is a five story building. So on Saturday, March 5, 1994,”

it wasn't black and white. It was the early '96s. So it's like a, it was like a city of tone. Yeah, kind of. With like neon spray paint, fake graffiti on the bottom and tilted to the side. Yep. Very beach house. So there's hundreds of people at the library on Saturday and people there for obviously all different kind of reasons. Well, you know, reading, being quiet, sleeping, for coffee? Do they serve coffee? Some of them do. I don't know. I thought they don't do that.

Probably not here. Presbyterian owner, spill coffee. Oh, sure. Free water? I don't know. Oh, they're not allowed to have water. No. We're teasing you. So Lake City's like, that's not a

“man, that's not us. So there's a couple there, Michael and Judith Greer, and they came down to the”

library because there was a Tibetan Mandela ceremony being done that day. And that's, you know, your favorite. Yeah. It's my favorite kind of ceremony. Right? Of all library ceremonies. Top there. You guys need to try one one day. Top three. Top three. So it's the Tibetan monks who are putting colored sand, they're like scraping and blowing, creating into this almost as beautiful as this rogue design. The library, how fucking badass is that? Those are the kind of events that they have.

It's culturally open. Yes. Everyone. They're like, check out what happens. Check, is that the top? Check out. What happened? Oh, my God. Who's a librarian here? Use that timeline. Take this, take it to your meeting on Monday. You have a meeting on Monday. Take it. It's yours. To the, to the librarians union

meeting. Take that down there. You're going to get a raise. I bet they've never used the pun check it out

at the library before. I bet it's never happened with a big check mark. So the grires are there watching this beautiful sand ceremony. And also, there's, of course, Gwen Page, who's been a librarian. Is Gwen, Gwen, are you here? Gwen? Gwen was in the I survived and in the 2020. So you know, she is a key fucking player in this story. She is just bouncing around. She is a lifelong dedicated librarian in the most hushed toned way. You can be. It's the key fucking see her readers on a chain.

“She's like, I'll tell you where the book is this time, but you have to find it for yourself the next time.”

You know Gwen? Yeah. Okay. So she's, you know, reforming the doy desks this over now. librarians like to get up to. And one of her co-workers says, you've got to go see the

fucking Mandela ceremony before it ends. It's amazing. She's like, you're so right. So she

halls the apps on up. I don't know what we're doing. Is this word for word? This is 20 up yet. This is how they say it on the 2020. Oh, shit. Look at this. There she is. Gwen. Gwen. That's Gwen. And nice mobs. And nice mobs. She's doing jewel tones because she knows that that can act like makeup sometimes for you. That does a maroon jacket does the work for you. But you got to have a pop of color. But you've got to get a good, some nice hot blue electric

blue in there. You still love to live librarian to the hilt librarian. You see even paused it right when she was going, shhh. She does that throughout the interview. Just shushing camera men, shushing interviewers. I'd fucking love that so much. The sound guys like, I can't, I can't with this librarian. I guess we're getting a lot of shushing. Okay. So as Gwen heads up to watch

this amazing cool thing that I would love to see in real life and maybe cry when I saw it in the

thing. She notices of course because observe and report librarian style. She notices there's a

she clocks it but then she's like, I got to go see him and tell us her money. So she just shushed

“him really hard and kept on moving. Okay. She put her shush sent on him to like, mark him for later.”

Yes. She's, it was just a little yellow chalk on his pant leg. Come back and shush him later about a half an hour. We're going to reveal all the library secrets to now there's so matters. So, so many shush. So, so she passes this way. This is the way they, they set it up on 2020. I bet you, they didn't all pass like it was a very well choreographed play but, but, she passes him and then the scraggly guy turned to the man standing next to him and pushes a vanilla envelope like

onto his chest and goes, I need you to mail this mail this for me. Give this to the papers, have a nice life mine's going to be short and then he turns around and pulls out a gun and then he pulls out a curling iron and then he jumps on a table and he yells, everybody, listen up, this is a bomb, he holds the curling iron up, this is a bomb. Nobody move if I let go of this switch, this whole place blows up. But, so it was what they call a dead man switch. He's literally

holding open a curling iron. So, if he lets it go, that's when the bomb goes off. So, that, if anything

happens to him, everybody dies. That's like his insurance. Do you think everyone, like, laughed at first

because they're like, "Look at his joke, that guy's joking." I can see the cord of that curling iron sir. That's curling iron's art bombs. Okay. I would know. Fuck. Yeah, okay. So, and then he's kind of like, obviously, people, you know, the guns like this, the curling iron's up like this, everybody probably 10 feet and back are just like, "Goodbye." And they piece out of there as quickly and an organized fashion as possible down four escalators. Oh, man. Five story libraries. That's

“a worst escape route as an escalator. Yeah, because it's just so slow. You have to stand there,”

escaping, escaping, escaping, almost there. Oh, we have almost escaped music. Really nice music playing

behind you. Watch your shoelace and then someone's like, "My shoelace is a dog!" That's the only way anybody gets caught is if their shoelace gets stuck in it. Yeah. Um, oh, I just do want to say that, so the bad guy, this is the reenactor, from 2020. There is, even could find no pictures of the actual bomber, Clifford Draper. But this guy, this reenactor actually does a very good job. He has very large eyes, so he's scary. They have a lot of like brown eyeliner around his eyes. And he's doing a very realistic,

crazy person who, you know, somebody that's like on the edge that's in public, but like, people aren't noticing him, but you're like, "But there is something up with doctrine." And then slow me up on the table. Okay. And you know, then there has to be like whispering to yourself and all that kind of stuff that I was like, "Oh, this is going to be cheesy as fuck." Well, it wasn't. This guy did a fucking great job. His name? Did you IMDB? Yes, I did. His name is

Michael B. Woods and you've seen him. Oh, yes. Oh, my, my teeth. He's cute. He's seen him on Empire. You've seen, he's at a two episode character arc on Chicago PD. He's one of your favorite actors. He's not, he's not just a crazy guy in the library reference desk with a curling iron. And he really fucking held this 2020 together. It was like, "Oh, man, M.E. so much pressure."

“And they do, can they do an M.E. from before? What do they call it when they're like retroacted?”

Yes, Metropoctin? Metropoctin? Metropoctin? Metropoctin? Metropoctin? Metropoctin? Metropoctin? Metropoctin? Metropoctin? Metropoctin? Yeah, they do those, cool. Especially for reenactors. Okay. So anyway, keep your eye peeled from Michael B. Woods in the future. I'm just saying I'm calling it now. He's just got range people range. I like her. I like her. Looks great on him. I like when you can do the whole eye. You can surround the whole eye and it still doesn't look small.

Oh, I mean, that means you have great big eyes. Also, I keep hitting my face with the microphone. You're a drug.

Meanwhile, over in the sheriff's administration building was sheriff's office of administration building,

“which was nearby. There is a man named Lieutenant Lloyd Prescott who's gone in the 2020 he”

goes. I went in to use the computer on the weekend to use the computer and it was just like a ton of

solitaire. So he's in using the computer in basically kind of an empty building. And this guy runs in

from the library and he's just like, "Hey, can somebody help me?" And so Lloyd Prescott gets out and he's like, "Did you guys call the cops?" And they're like, "Yes, but there's a guy with a live bomb in the library and he's taking hostages." And so Lloyd Prescott grabs his gun. He's wearing it on the seat next to him. He's in a car inside the office. Let me just go this or like at the computer next to him. He'd like arrested it. He just had it right against the mouse. He grabs his gun in the 2020 he knocks

his coffee cup over onto his badge. That didn't fucking happen. They're just trying to show you he's a sheriff. And he runs into the library where hundreds of people are running out. Lloyd Prescott

“runs in. That's he's a cop. That's right. That's how you know he's a cop. They run at the danger”

and they have guns. So, as he's running in, and I also this seems a bit faithful, but and so it

could have been for the show. But basically, he runs into the guy that Clifford Draper had given that

Manila envelope to you to say, "Go mail this for me." And the guy stops him and says, "Don't go in there. There's a guy with a bomb and a gun." And he says, "I know, I'm a police officer. Is anybody hurt." And the guy says, "I don't know, but he did give me this envelope to mail." And so Lloyd goes, "I will take this from you. Thank you." You might want to go ahead and use the elevator real, I mean, escalator real quick and did out of here. Damn, that could have been so funny.

And he, so meanwhile, back up stairs, they're having this conversation. And the bomber is telling

people that he wants all the people who have basically been frozen in this area in front of him.

He starts looking at people and going going to that conference room and picking people out specifically. So, Michael Greer, the guy that is from the very beginning, who's, it was his idea first to go watch the Mandela ceremony with his wife Judith. He looks at Michael Greer and says, "You go in, but not Judith." So, he has to go into this conference room and leave his wife behind. Yes. And so, he goes in and several other people, obviously. And then he tells Gwen,

"Go get me 16 people. I want 16 people in that conference room." Yes. And Gwen's like, "Sounds great." But in her mind, you know the wheels are turning. So, she goes into this conference room and she's like, "And it's the, there's a meeting of the toast masters in the conference room." The people who they do speeches and they practice speeches. Oh, you weren't kidding? No, I don't. Yeah, it's a real thing. Oh. It's like a club you can join. Oh, it's toast. Yep. A toast master. Did you think bread toast?

“We've been talking about avocado toast, 10 minutes ago. I thought you were going, I thought that's what we met.”

Toast masters. We're so fucking good at making toast. That's our new food network show. Yes. Just types of toast toast. Evenly colored, perfectly buttered, crust to crust. Jam or fucking oven butter. You don't know, and it's not up to you. It's none of your business. Where the toast masters? Motherfuckers? So, there's a room filled with toast. And Gwen goes in. Bold is brass. Yeah. And Gwen's like, "You guys, let me quickly interrupt your dumb fucking meeting. There's a guy with a

bomb out there." And that's not a word for word. And in this room luckily, there was a, there was a different door than the, than the entrance door. There was like a weird back door. So of course, they're like, "Let's toast master the fuck out of here." And they open that door. People start going out out, so all these people are escaping. And then Clifford Draper, the bomber, runs in. He's like, "Stop, stop that door!" So, he shuts the door. They end up a total

Which I do agree is a better number. But it's, it's just how it worked out. So,

two, page 11. Okay. So, he makes them all sit at the conference room table. But he makes them turn their chairs out so that they can't look at each other. And he keeps screaming, "Don't look at me over and over." So, everyone, you know, and he's just doing this with a gun. He's just constantly bomb gun. So, everyone is just, obviously, insanely freaked out. So, our guy Lloyd Prescott walks into the conference room. So, there he had called, I think he had

“called like two other women in, like get in here, you have to get in here right now. And Lloyd Prescott”

cuts them off, walks into the room and holding up the middle of them and goes, "What am I supposed

to do with this?" And then he shuts the door behind him so that the people who are supposed to go into the room don't go any cuts them off. And then, of course, the bombers, just like, "What, who are you?" And he'd freaking out at whatever. He's like, "I said, I was supposed to be mailed." And he was like, "Could you stop pointing that gun at me?" I just, I don't even know. And he's just playing it real low-key. So, he's not coming in. In any way, cop style, he's like,

someone just handed me this envelope. What am I supposed to do? He pretended like, "Well, he didn't know why he was at us." Yes, insane. So, then, the bomber tells when the librarian to go get him a phone. And if she's not back in 15 seconds, he'll kill somebody. That's 10 seconds for a phone in 1994? Yes. That's not enough time. That's very high stress. Yeah, because there's no cell phones, kids.

No, you're going to need a phone. She's going to immediately have to think of where's the one phone that has the longest silver course that I can just run across this fucking library with. Exactly. She does it. Of course. It's a plan. It's a plan. She knows it. You're right.

“I don't know why I doubt it, her. Yeah, you can't. Shit, sorry. Do we need to look at her again?”

Why would you? Oh, you want to? So relaxing. Okay. Goodbye. Oops. Uh-oh. It's there forever. Now, okay. This is how stressful it is. Okay. All right. Okay. And if that page, the pacing of this is

amazing. So, oh, he tells Lloyd tells the bomber he's an accountant and he's just kind of like

playing it small and he's like, I spilled coffee. Yeah. I'm just, I'm a numbers guy. Anyway, I don't know how to mail things. Um, meanwhile, of course, he's wearing like a jacket, like a windbreaker and he's got his gun hidden underneath it. Um, so then, uh, Draper tells everybody that he's going to barricade the room. Um, he has a lady shut the curtains. He does this weird thing. We keep having people do things for him. He's not doing it. Probably because he's holding off fucking curling

“on. Right. Um, so he, he asks one what time they entered the room immediately once like 10 to 10”

and then he sets a timer for 72 hours. So he has like this amount of time that he, that they're going to do this, which is a long fucking time. Yeah. Um, and in the reenactment, that's when he says, my name's Clifford Draper. Let's get some attention. I doubt that happened. Um, uh, in reality, Clifford Draper was a veteran and he was a paranoid schizophrenic who had gone off his, his meds long ago. Uh, he was originally from Arkansas, but now he lived in a boarding house that was like down

the street from this library. Um, so he gets going to call the police and explain to the police what's going on. Um, so she says, I'm being held hostage in the Salt Lake City library with nine other people. Um, and the police say we want, uh, to connect you, we want him to talk to the hostage negotiator and Draper goes fucking batch it. No, no, no, no, hang out the phone screaming, screaming. Then he makes when give the phone to Michael Greer and he says, now you're my phone

man now. So he makes Michael Greer call the local classical rock radio station Z93 up. Yes, for real, because he's going to take it to the people. He's not fucking around with the police anymore. Utah. Yeah. Z93. It's the station. Everyone at work can agree on. Right?

DJ. So it's somebody, um, who's a part timer. She's just in the reenactment. She's got headphones

“on. She's like kicking that. So the most relaxed DJ you've ever seen. And she picks up the call”

and live on the air. Michael Greer has to say I'm being held hostage at the Salt Lake City library and our hostage taker wants his demand red on the air. And the weekend DJ goes, uh, I don't have time for this and hangs up the phone. I mean, who wouldn't, you're like, fuck you, teenagers. You got damn teenagers. Making my DJ life a living hell. Yeah. No, we won't play Devo. This is Z93. Classic rock. Let's supplement and let's

supplement. It's right. Classic rock block. Put it in the wild. Rock block. Rock block. It's a two for Tuesday. It's right. But it's a weekend. This was Saturday. It's the Saturday one. Several songs Saturday. There you go. There you go. Hail that. DJ, you can take that. You can have that. Yes. For a nominal fee. Meanwhile, across town, Trisha Griffith, who is the program director at Z93. Trisha, Trisha, a young lady in the 90s directing some radio programs. Girl. Do it.

She's at breakfast with her friend. Uh-huh. And we call him brunch. Was she having toast? It was a toast, was she having toast? It was a toast situation. She herself was had already taken a toast master class. So she was like whipping up four different kinds. She was like, I'm going to have one slice sourdough and one slice raw. It's how we do it. I am so high off this thin air. I can't believe it. It's fucked up. It's the greatest. I totally want to move here. All right. So anyhow,

we'll talk about it after. Um, okay. So she's, she gets the call. Um, that we can DJ calls her boss after she hangs up. Uh, and goes, hey, so this just happened. And now I have a weird feeling

“you out of it. I don't think I did the right thing. I might have fucked up. I think I might be on,”

I think I might be on probation. I'm in serious DJ trouble right now. Trisha drops her fork loudly. Runs out of the branch spills her coffee, but takes her toast, right? Boom. Important things. Meanwhile, we're cutting back to the conference room now. This gets super dark. The bomber passes around a legal pat and has everybody write their name down

and the name of their next of kin. So he's doing a lot of shit like that where he's basically

like, here's mine. How am I going to kill you? This is the, these are the different, like, none of us are getting out of here. A lot of, a lot of shit like that. Um, also, there's a woman in, in the conference room with everybody who's a diabetic. And she's starting to feel the effects. She has to take insulin five times a day. Jesus. And she tells him, look, I'm a fucking diabetic, she didn't say fucking. And, uh, I have to take my medicine and he was like, well,

he didn't bring your medicine, then that's on you. And someone else in the room is like, she could die. And he's like, well, then that's just how it is. And then he goes, or maybe I'll trade her out

for a cop. I've always wanted to kill a cop. Mm-hmm. And Lloyd Prescott's like, the wool.

Still in account? Yep. Love in them numbers. I'm going to count. Uh, April 15th. Uh, hate. You're so much tax day. Anyway, what do you guys talking about? The police? Meanwhile, over at the Swat Central. Yes. Swat Proponet and Swat offices. Yes. Uh, the Swat Sergeant Ken Hanson is prepping for the Husky Rusted. So the Husky Rusted. Can we get some oxygen, please? Are you okay?

Mommy? Mommy. The Husky Rusted? No, just a little Husky Rusted, man. And man, there's got a little, Smith's to secret. You just say to light, do you? Holy fuck. Now you know how I feel all the time.

“Is it at the worst? That's why I was so hot. I can't say it's too much. It really sounded so”

right. I feel like it's always been Husky Rusted. That was fun for me because it wasn't me.

Deep breaths. Please get serious. Deep breaths real fast. But how you? Right? Shallow fast breaths.

“If you just stand up real quick. Yeah. And screaming? Yeah. Okay. Meanwhile,”

this made me laugh so loudly when I thought watched it today. So at one point, Draper looks at everybody and goes, I want all of you to strip down. Strip down naked. It is kind of party. It's one girl who has been super in the reenactment the whole time.

She's been like, what? She's always the girl that cut to and they want to show people being upset or worried.

It's just like long hair. Very like, you know, like down, you know, the girl next to our face. And when he says that, she turns around and goes, I am not doing that. That's where she puts her foot down. And then he didn't make them do it. What? She should have been like, and you're letting us out. I cannot tell you how much I would have been that girl. And I would have been like,

definitely shoot me. I am not taking my pants off. In any way, it's a library with all these nice people around here.

Wow. I am not doing that. You with your guns and your bombs.

“So awesome. So then he just makes some take their jackets off. Why?”

Oh, because she is not doing that. But he has a gun under his jacket. That's exactly right, Draper. I've been listening. So you, like Gwen, have been listening. Okay. So he makes Gwen, of course, go around and take everyone's jacket from them and then put them in the corner. Oh, Gwen has to be the coat girl now. Gwen is so check girl. Gwen's like his go for a little bit. He keeps looking to her. And I'm sure she's sitting there. Because she's probably the whole time looking and I'm like,

is this really what you're doing now? It's a fun. You go get the coats. So as she's walking around the outside of the table, when she gets to Lloyd, Lloyd gives her the old, like just a real quick thing thing with the eyes, not my coat. And she doesn't miss a beat. I encourage everyone in

your life. Please always look for small tiny clues that people are trying to fucking give you.

Because what is worse than being the person or experiencing the person where you're like,

“don't take my coat. And they're like, why don't you want me to take your coat?”

Can't you just hand me your coat? Oh, man. You've all been in those situations where it's don't ask me why I don't want to take my shoes off in your house. If I need smell, I don't want to tell you that. Yes. If I'm telling you something but my eyes are wide, catch on God damn it. Okay. That was just a sidebar of advice. Scream.you angrily. Just how I do it. I am not doing that. So she passes Lloyd. Then Lloyd says to Draper, can I leave my coat on

on cold? And Draper of course is like, if I take your coat off and loses his shit. And so he does it. He takes his coat off in this way where he's able to pull real quick pull his shirt bottom. I was going to say shirt sleeves. When I was there. Yeah, like caught my son. Tuck his shirt. That's tail of his shirt. Pull it out, shirt tails. That's right. Hold that out to cover the gun. Cool. Right in time. Okay. So and meanwhile, no one in the room knows that he is a cop. Yeah. No one,

everyone is like, we're here with this crazy guy and super one while I bring them. That's about an accountant. And that's all we've got. And that really cold accountant. What's his? Why would he risk all of our lives because he's cold? I hate his gut. What a dick. Okay. So then he, he makes everybody, Draper makes everybody read his list of demands. He hands him out and he goes like, this, you, this is why I'm doing this. And if you read this now, you'll understand. And then everyone

gets it and is like, oh, great. Great. I mean, a little, a little reason here. Uh, uh, because the letter says, among other things, that he will not negotiate. Uh, he demands to be reinstated into the national guard. Uh, he wants a military doctor stripped down to his shorts to come and bring him

speedball. Um, but at the library, uh, he demands to be paid in gold and platinum bullion, which is badass.

“It's a funny. It's actually, I put this book, accountant was like financially. That's actually”

you can't go wrong with platinum bullion. It's really, you can take that anywhere. Uh, and then he demands to be flown to New Zealand and he wants a full presidential pardon from Bill Clinton. So it, it really bums everybody out as they read it. Meanwhile over at z93. Okay. Cutting back because Trisha Griffith has arrived and she's like, I'm going to be here now. So weekend DJ does not have to deal with the hardship anymore. Cut the blue strabler where this is

fucking happening. It's like, harmonica. So she sits there and at the like DJ, uh, deck. She sits there and in just in case the hostage, the, the, the, the, the, the bomber. Yeah. Calls back, which he does.

“Cool. He's screaming. Do not hang up on me. Put me on the air or everybody dies. So she had”

the weekend, uh, DJ go call the cops and be like, uh, you know, he called once before what we do or whatever. And the cops had told the weekend DJ to tell that do not put him on the air. Mm-hmm. But of course Trisha's talking to him and she's like, no, he's going to kill these people like there's no doubt in my mind. So she was like, I'm going to put him on the air because I don't want these people to die. Trisha, making decisions. She was, she was going full program

director on his ass. But before she did that, just, which is great, she thought I'm going to try one thing. So she says to draper on the phone, the button, uh, to put you on the air is broken and the engineer won't be back till Monday. And he buys it because we all know that there's a strip of buttons that light up. And if that one is broken, the air isn't there. And the engineer's gone, the engineer is skiing again as he does. So he buys it. He tells her they have less than 72 hours

or everyone dies. Then he makes Michael Greer call call back and read the list of hostage names and next of kin. Um, so that when, uh, he kills everybody, she can notify the family. Yes. Oh, sorry, you guys like him. Uh, did you just say you guys like him? I totally like him. I know he's nice and he listens. He likes all the same bands as me. Like blue traveler. Makes sense. That's toast. Uh, have you ever had Jesus as toast? It's very small and round.

And there is, it tastes like glue. That's a reference. I got it. I'm making a Catholic reference. Body, body, yeah. Uh, no, it has the face of Jesus burnt toast and put it.

He has his own, never mind. He burns his own face and it was owned toast. God bless him literally.

All right. So Clifford is telling Trisha this super fucked up, very upsetting news. And Trisha gets this idea and she says, Clifford, can I ask you a question? And he says, yes,

“but he's screaming at or something or waving a gun at the phone. And she says, what can I play for you?”

Right? So smart. It's so smart because music heals the world. All right. Pull out an acoustic guitar. Play seven Nirvana song. He fucking asks for more deep cuts for them to stop playing the same songs all the time. And he asks for less commercials. What? Yeah. That's the most reasonable answer I've ever heard. It's what we all want from z93.

Even, never, even off your meds. You're like, here's what's going wrong. Yes, okay.

Yeah, I can see this and I'm holding a curling iron in the library. Okay. Meanwhile, on the other side of the conference table. Sue Ellis in the diabetic is now going into severe diet. She's entering into diabetic shock.

And so he's drapeer's getting more and more agitated. This is over hours and hours and hours and hours of

fast. And at one point, he keeps switching hands because he's holding the curling iron open. It's like he has to grip it. He's been gripping it for hours. He's like, so bummed, he made that his,

“yeah, it's like, couldn't you just said that, you know, he plug it in. Yeah. So how about a straightener?”

Yeah. They just sit there. Yeah. So he asks Michael Greer, he's like, can you get the duct tape out of my backpack? I need to fix the bomb. So everyone's just like, okay. So they're putting pieces of duct tape over the bomb. And as, um, oh, and then he said then he, the next plan is he goes, somebody's got to die. They need to, the police aren't responding the way I want them to. We have to figure out who has to die.

So he tells Gwen to go get this rope. He says, I'm going to cut this rope into into all these different lengths, whoever gets the shortest piece dies. No. Yes. So Gwen talks about it. She's like, I, she took forever to walk over and get the rope. She just says, yeah, she was the slowest walker of all time. And then as she, uh, she, oh, she's ghost to Cliff Clifford and says, um, I need, how am I going to cut this? I don't, I can't cut this nurse and scissors in here. So he puts the gun down to get the

knife out of his backpack. Yeah. And the second he does that, that's when Lloyd knows this is

his fucking time to shine. He pulls that fucking gun. And so sorry, but really quick, they talk about this, which I love. He had taken some kind of a bomb class. So he knew if the bomb did go off in the room. If everybody was under the table, they could probably, because it's the size of the bomb. And, you know, he's talking about the type that it probably was that bombs like that, they go off up. So if everyone was under the plane of the table, there was a less chance that they would all

be injured. Okay. So he fucking stands up when he sees that his hands are between weapons, fucking stands up and screams, shares office. Everybody get down. All the people in the chair's fucking hit the deck. And he shoots Clifford Draper five times. Oh, sorry. Oh, so exciting. I was so healing you like going into your own mic. No, I thought it was your two. No, no, no.

“Oh, God, it was a best visual. Like, oh. Yes. Is that to that scare, everyone?”

I think it was really good sound effects. Oh my God. Yes. Right is that when, so this swat team was right outside the conference room door. They were like, oh, holy. But they were just sitting there like, you know, they don't want that fucking dead man, detonator thing to go off. So when they hear the gunshots, they shoot up at the top of these glass windows that go into the conference room and he's fucking windows shattered. This, there's like 19 swat people in the room.

And when that dead man detonator hit, it didn't fucking work because he had put too much duct tape on it while he was trying to fix it. So by some fucking miracle of real life God, that bomb did not go off. Wow. And everybody lives. Yeah. Except for the terribly mentally ill man who got shot five times. He's died on the way to the hospital. Sorry. I should have, I'm sorry I said everybody. Can we take that, but our cheerback? I mean, listen,

all the hostages. Yeah. One still works at the Salt Lake City fucking library.

After party with women. And she says this amazing thing at the end of 2020. She's like,

when bad things happen, you can either be a victim or you can be a survivor. And I love the library. And of course, I still work at the library. It's just like, I'm fucking glad in your jewel tones, kicking down that knowledge. Lloyd Prescott at the end of that 2020 was asked why he went into that conference room at such grave danger to himself. And he said, in the police force and in the

“military, it's your job to risk your life. That's why we have cops. God bless his soul.”

There we go.

Mary, when and Lloyd across the table, that moment where he was like, don't take my jacket. She's like, fine, but I'm coming back for you. Yeah. That's my lifetime movie. I'll write it

when I get home. Shit. Right? That was amazing. Thank you.

Fucking. I was with you that entire time. That was fucking insane. I hit my microphone for. That's so good. It was. You know, I'd like to thank I survived in 2020 to people who actually wrote that. Well, now you're one of them. That's right. Okay. We're back here in any updates. There are no updates on this story. But we can go back into the episode, and we can listen to a hometown Salt Lake City hometown from an audience member.

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“Sit down. Everyone sit down. We have rules. There's rules and you need to listen. You are talking”

the whole time. So don't put your hat up. I got eyes like you wouldn't believe. If you would like to tell us your hometown this evening, there's a couple things to keep in mind. You can't be so drunk that you don't know your own story anymore. Oh, this is Utah. They're not. They can. It's not. I don't know. I'd like to make a snapshot. Make you feel alienated! Everybody in the room wants it to be local. So don't come up here with your Mississippi bullshit.

What we want, everyone wants. Local that you taught would be great. You know you can't read, but we say that anyway. No, don't be reading off of any kind of piece of paper. We just want to talk to you. We want you to chat it up. It's a great idea to keep it to in your mind like maybe

“two paragraphs because you have to remember that if you get picked, everyone else in the room hates”

your guts. All right. Do your thing. Can we get the lights over a second?

Whoa. This is this blonde person. Yeah, yeah. This blonde lady. Girl, she's like, oh, that's this. Hi. You can bring those lights down now. Thank you. Hi, Tully. Everyone. Hi, what's your name? Holly. Holly. Holly. Holly, come over here. Scary. You have to stand on the carpet or it's bad luck. Yeah, we have. Isn't it pretty? You, you, you're going to take it home with you tonight. Hold the microphone to your thing and there's your pretty necklace.

Okay. Holly, where are you from? I did you, child. Oh, I did. I did that, please.

It's a real place. Oh my God. And first I was so to tell you, you got to go see the new library.

“Is it the best? What took, can you just give us a quick rundown about the new library?”

Super modern. Yeah. Glass wood elevators. All the elements books. Estilators? No escalators. Yeah. And then with those. Better for escaping. Absolutely. Uh, is it nearby? Yeah, it's on 400. South? Oh, sure. Great. Perfect. It's a two block. I'm trying to 20 blocks that way. Okay, we'll walk. You know what? Let's go fucking see Gwen tomorrow. Tell her, shout out to some people and she's on the list. Her last name is Paige. Books, pages. You're killing it already, Holly.

Not what you say? I took a zanx. She took a zanx. Yeah. No alcohol. Just a zanx.

“Express bread, but my doctor. Amazing. So, I'm gonna say that next time.”

So, okay, you want to be the third member of this plaque? I've been dying. I mean, I'm like,

can we be best friends? Yeah, sure. We are. It's already happening. Okay, I'm there. Okay, what's your hometown? It's really sad. So let's bring it down for where we are. Okay. Well, why'd you say that zanx thing then? Sorry. So, I live in Wyoming right now, but I used to live in San Pete County. It's in the center of the state. Okay, and I went back, a year ago to visit my family, my sisters in law, and a friend of mine who had moved

across the street from my sisters. So, we had planned to have dinner on Thursday night. We got home,

her lights were all off, so we're like, we'll hit her up on Friday.

That night, we were out, chain smoking. Why? Chain smoking? What, uh, brand. It's kind of embarrassing, but it's camel crush. What's that mean? You crush it and then it becomes

“mental mental. It's amazing. Mental secrets will kill you immediately. That's what I'm going for.”

I'm ready to go. No, I'm just kidding. They're delicious. They're fresh. They're not delicious. I love them. Okay. So, um, my friend, Kami, um, she was engaged. Um, and that night, we were outside and it's wildlife outside or cows and chickens and cats and all sorts of animals. And we heard a lot of noises and we thought it was just a wildlife and it was, and it was, yeah, it was our friend, Kami, and she, she got murdered by her field. Say,

and it was about 100 feet from where we were and we were right there and I had just started listening to your podcast and I was probably listening to it while it happened because I had gone to sleep at about midnight and she, um, then I police think it was about, um, one o'clock. And

“it was one of the hardest things in my life, but, you know, good things happened. People survived”

and Kami was a wonderful person. And, you know, um, he's, her fiance was a rest of the next day. He told them that she had been with us and had been in a car accident and walked home and then got in the bath and he got it in the morning and she was dead. Uh, he had done it with a hammer and shovel. It was just, it was bad. But they knew that right. Like they knew he was lying. Yeah. Yeah. We had to answer some questions, but, yeah. It was tough. Yeah. But, and I, I still

feel really guilty about it. But, I feel guilty. I mean, I get it. But, yeah. How, sorry, how long ago was this? It'll be a year and March. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's tough. Yeah. But, I love you guys. And I love you guys. You guys, you get to smoke as many menthols as you want to. Yeah. I'm shaking smoking back to Wyoming. But, everyone's going to have a menthol cigarette tonight in memory of Cammy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have to. Cammy, we smoke together. We took a smoking

cessation class together. So, we quit smoking, oh, together and then we started up again. Well, you guys crushed it. Oh my god. Oh, we crushed it. Thank you so much for being brave and coming up. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Everybody. Holy. Oh. Fuck. Shit. And we're back here and you want to give us any updates on the story. There are some updates,

actually. Cammy made Edmund's fiance Anthony Christianson, pled guilty to her murder and obstruction of justice in 2020. And he did admit that he beat her to death and tried to stage her death as a car crash. In March of 2020, Christianson was sentenced to two terms of five years to life,

and a third term of one to 15 years in Utah State Prison. Cammy's mother, Tammy Coats,

later started the Cammy May Foundation to raise awareness about domestic violence. And you can find out more about the Cammy May Foundation at cammymayfoundation.weblee.com. Wow. Okay. So, let's end this episode. That was originally called "Li that Kingsbury Hall in Salt Lake City" by naming it

All of the contingent. I wish that there was a zombie. Where's the zombie section at our lives?

“Just like, yeah. We'd have to call it the smell of raves. Of course. This smell of raves. Yeah.”

That's a conversation that needs to continue. Screamers keepers. Of course. That was a good one.

Shush sent. Yeah. And of course, better for escaping. Always. Well, thanks for listening.

Guys, let's go back to 2018 Salt Lake City and we'll say goodbye from Kingsbury Hall. Salt Lake City. Thank you for having us. Thank you. Thank you for

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