Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 114: Civic Order

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Today we're rewinding to episode 1114, which we named Civic Order. This episode originally came out on March 29th, 2018. Let's get into it the intro of episode 1114. Welcome to my favorite murder. That's Karen Killcare. That's Georgia Hard Start, and this is the podcast.

That tells you what? It tells you what?

“Kind of the worst things you could possibly hear.”

Yeah. It really does just tell it right into your earhole. It just says it right into your ear drum. Yeah, so if you're laying in bed at night trying to get something to follow sleep too, this is it?

I had a dream that tenacious D broke up. Why wrong? That was at the blue. Literally a picture just passed through. What?

My eyes in my brain. A picture. I must have fallen asleep in front of something that informed my dreams. Yeah. I hope they didn't.

I mean, they've written nine songs about breaking up. Maybe that's probably what it is. I watched some weird rerun or something. Oh, you know what I was going to do? This is a new corner.

Okay. Because it's not a correction, but I did. I listened to the last week's mini-sode. And in thinking about the story of the man that was laying under the movie theater seats. Because of course, we much like the women had happened to.

We're shocked and surprised that there was a man laying under their movie theater seats for an entire movie. But so we were laughing and stuff. But I did want to underline. If that ever happens, call the police immediately. Don't wait for movie theater employees call the police.

Don't wait for permission to call the police. Yeah. You call the police immediately. Because the person that lays under movie theater seats is only going to do Weirder and more fucked up stuff afterwards.

Totally. So I felt bad after I heard that because we were laughing so hard.

They did say in it that they talked to the manager and ultimately called the police.

Yes.

“But I think they were just so shocked by it.”

Exactly. Yeah. As were we. Yeah. And I think all the police.

We didn't. No, I actually, on the realists, and I called the police. I called Burbank police. I just wanted to say that, like, sometimes weird thing is that you don't have to be touched or assaulted in any way.

That deserved a police call for sure. They should have felt 100% great doing that. Definitely. Yeah. I guess I don't know.

Maybe that's too random. But I wanted to underline it. Like, even thinking about it holding it in the now there it is. If you don't know what, like, um, civic order of behavior violates, you can still call the police.

They'll get the book out from the shelf, the civic order book.

They'll pull it all down and then get into their police crusers. Sure. Come help you. Okay. Now we have to have a different corner.

Okay. That it's been asked to us. Do we? We're getting back together. No.

They're getting back together. That's a nice to see. Oh, I love to see. I love to see. No.

Sorry. Um. Okay. We have to talk about this wild, wild country corner. Oh, fuck.

Can people? Yes. Watch this. Oh, fuck. Can people?

Yes. Watch it. Everyone. Guys. Let's update a couple of things.

We heard about the lady's body that was found in the wall years later. Yeah. Thank you. Amazing story. Come a bind.

Everything. We got a lot of tweets about it. Yep. All the way up to and including this documentary. That is incredibly done.

Uh-huh. Beautifully done. Uh-huh. Brilliantly done. Did you watch the whole thing?

No. No. Um. Can I tell you something? Can I tell you something?

You don't like it. I find it kind of boring. Uh-huh. Why do I hate everything?

You always say that when it's the thing I love.

I know.

“Do you think it's because you think you need to do point count or point?”

No. If I love it, you have to find something wrong with it. When did I know your opinion of it? But because I already did it as a story. Yeah.

But I thought your story was interesting. Listen. She left, though. I could just listen to her talk for hours. She did say one thing.

That was a joke. That one. She said this. I was watching it last night trying so hard. I watched Episode 1 and Vince and everybody was like, wow.

This is so boring. And then I was someone else. It's like, get better. So I was like, I'll jump to Episode 3. So I go to Episode 3.

And it's still boring. But she does say to someone in a news report that, you know, maybe you say that the people who block a bunch, it's tough titties. Not just like, wow. That's who I want to be.

I mean, she really is kind of a great villain. I don't know. I like a lady that's just like bound and determined. Yeah. I just want it to be about.

Like, I guess I totally understand what the cult is about. Like, all they're doing is fighting people. But without any, like, not fighting for. They're, you know, they were fighting for. Um, he was really into, like, sex.

Yeah. There was a bunch of sex stuff. And then there was, you know, there were kind of, like, Buddhist concepts, basically, where it's like, Love yourself and love development.

But Kerry and AK47 are only thinking of where you go.

“I mean, because they started getting, I think.”

I mean, I, you know, it's, it was just a, it was a cult. Why, it, why would any spiritual leader have, there was at 37-year-old sources? I think 37 is the right number. But like, that, that was his goal in dream. And then they made that happen for him.

Like, all those things, there's no logic isn't a big no. No. It's all like heaven's gate.

Or they're like, here's what the thing we believe in.

There's this and there's this and we're going to get on fucking. Haley pop and get the fuck out of town. And our, you know, like, they had, like, rules and things. But it was, it, you know, is that it was out of that tradition that, that, that, that would happen all the time, gurus would pop.

Right, gurus. This is the person to listen to. This guy was smarter than regular people. Right. Everybody, that's a human trait.

We love to think there's one smarter person that should tell us everything. And we'll just do that. And then that'll be fine. Yeah. Because whatever we're doing isn't working.

Yeah. And that's a great concept that's completely fucking full of shit. Because no one knows anything. Also, some people don't look good in maroon. Fuckin take that shirt off, dude.

Although there were some insanely hot 70s guys in that documentary. Yeah. There are some very good-looking 70s people. They would left their families. [laughter]

Like the chick, the Australian chick. It was just like, I was bored and I did this in that. And I'm like, I bet her kid has so many fucking issues now. Yes. Your mom just got bored of you and her life in the later days.

Yeah. Yeah. You know what I need to do is for me. Yeah. It's that super selfish like late 70s me generation.

Yeah. Yeah. Where everyone is like, this is, I have to prioritize myself. Right. So I'm going to get divorced and leave all my children behind.

It's like, man, okay.

“That's why helicopter parenting is what it is today.”

Oh, because all of us kids who were left for maroon. For maroon fields of Southeastern Oregon. Well, we're like, my mom did it wrong. So now I'm going to do it. That's so bad.

I'm going to do it so right. Yeah. I am your shadow Caleb.

You're going to hate your parents anyways. Fucking. That's right. If they're not there, you hate them.

If they're always there, you hate them.

It's real hard to get that English just right on parenting. No, yeah. It doesn't work. Take it from us. We don't have this.

We did the smart thing. And did neither. We parented neither way.

“I was always like, how could I have kids when I am merely a child?”

Yeah. Oh, what was the other thing? Oh, well, this is just incidental. Okay. But I feel like people like a nice dentist update.

Right? Oh, it's because it's really the rags to rich a story of me being so afraid to go to the dentist. And now I can't stop going to the dentist. Every time we talk to each other on my way to the dentist, right? I love to be like, sorry.

I'm stepping in a dentist office. But I have to get my dentist office today. My high-falutent dentist office. So again, I went to visit my dentist. But I wanted to tell people this because the reason I didn't go for so long was because I thought that I was phobic of the dentist.

I would have panic attacks in the dentist chair. And recently, and before I started going again, my friend Page Hurwitz who's parents were doctors told me that light a cane, which is the know the cane that they shoot into your mouth. Like a numbing, the numbing shit, the numbing shit that gets shot into your mouth. If you are allergic to it or have a sensitivity to it, your blood pressure drops. And the blood pressure dropping is in me the same feeling of starting a seizure or starting a panic.

Panic shit. And I had it in the chair. And when, oh my god, this is what you're talking about. Where I felt like I was falling backwards even though I was already laying down. And I was like, whoa, whoa.

And my hand went up really weird. But he didn't notice that gone. But I was still wearing fucking oakly blades. So it's not like I looked great or anything.

But basically, if you're afraid to go to the dentist or you have panic attack type feelings.

It could be because you're allergic to light a cane. And you can ask them to give you something different. Well, shit. Like right heroine. You can get a heroine shot into your eye.

And then you don't feel anything. Shots in your eye for like eight hours. No, it's worth it. But I just like, once I learned that I was like, Yeah, this could have saved me like six years worth of like stress about the dentist.

And not going to the dentist. Avoiding it or when I used to go, I would be so freaked out. I was like, couldn't, I could hold my breath a little time. Yeah, it was really weird and freaked me out. Fuck that.

That's my, you know what that is? That's like a PSA. Yeah. Yeah. The more you know about your teeth.

Glingo, glingo, glingo, glingo, glingo. And more you know.

“Oh, well, should we talk a little quick about our announcement?”

Our big surprise. Our big surprise. We've been sitting on this one because we have lots of surprises. We have lots of them that we just can't talk about. Yes, but we have like four that are going to blow doors once we can talk about them.

Really exciting stuff coming up in the future. Everybody. But in the meantime, the one we can tell you is that we are.

We finally have put together a fan club of sorts that we're calling the fan cult.

Cause fan club. Yeah, so that's going to happen soon. And we'll tell you more about it in the next couple of weeks. But it's going to have like, it's actually happening in like 10 days. Yeah.

It's happening very soon. It's going to be very exciting. We'll tell you more next episode. But it's going to be like exclusive merch that you can't get and access. First access to by tickets to the live shows.

And then like a message board and we'll call she like that. Pictures, you know, video type stuff. We're just like some shit. We're actually getting our act together. And putting a thing together for you so that if you care to have some next level

interaction with this podcast, we're going to give you some stuff. Yeah, there's going to be live video feed at Karen's dentist appointments. From we're going to get her hot dentist to put the camera.

“Or maybe you should have the camera on your head.”

And it's just filming the hot dentist. So you can see when he goes, can you turn your head more to the right? It's I'm constantly trying to turn away and close my mouth. So he's constantly trying to tell me to open my mouth more and turn my head. So that I'm not basically turning my back on the appointment.

Well, they'll know that soon. I mean, it's exciting. And then I'll have a live feed. I'll have a forehead camera on my forehead for when I take naps. Perfect.

So you can just see Mimi sitting next to me sleeping. I mean, this is show business people. This is what you look for in entertainment. There's going to be a Stephen camps, mustache cam on Stephen. It's a tiny camera like in honey, I shrunk the kids that travels through Stephen's mustache.

It has adventures. That's right. It takes weeks and weeks and there's a creek.

That's right. There's goblins. Yep. There's cats.

The tiny tiny miniature cats.

“Oh, we have to talk about the person that drew the cartoon.”

When we said that Stephen's inception was he just grew out of the carpet. Oh, my God. Do you, you don't have that person's name nearby? I think I might. I think it's honor.

I'm a thumb. You started to Instagram. A very talented person who's name we're about to say. Hold on to your butts everyone. It's a race.

Stephen and Drawer both looking up. Dylan the girl. Fuck you. Dylan the girl. Dylan the girl.

Made an inception. Like cartoon of us. Of Stephen inception. Of us freaking a fuck out. Well, Stephen grows out from the carpet.

It's pretty hilarious. It was real good. Thank you. Thank you. Still in the girl.

Also someone. And I'm sorry because I'm not.

I'm looking at my phone and I won't race.

I won't race the way these two do. Someone made. Did you see that the Photoshop where they put the. Kate and Kate and Leo from Titanic into a single. No.

It's real good. That's recent. Everybody's been.

“There's been lots of fun interaction on Twitter lately.”

Yeah. Well, Instagram too. Yes. Yes. Instagram's also a great start.

Don't forget to meet up. Don't forget. Remind. What's going on over in Instagram? I'm checking in.

Verified. Which means just as that little blue check. Oh, that's good. And that means that you can get cash anywhere in the city. No.

It just means that you're better than your. Because you went to high school. Oh, good. And do you email them and let them know that?

Oh, it lets them Instagram lets them know in their own.

It gets sends everyone to high school. The notification. Great. Well, you don't need your social security number. Right.

Because that's the new thing. Right. Well, you don't need your social security number. You're a higher being who doesn't require government stuff. You're no longer defined by that number.

Exactly. So it's like here you can have it if you want it now. Like, it's up for grabs. I just in my mind had to tell myself three times not to say my own social security number. I'm not.

Isn't it like standing at the edge of a cliff and being like, don't. You're not. Don't fall for it. Don't fall for it. Do not do it.

Don't blur it out. Your social security number. Like, we're going live. I know. Right.

The live show. That would be actually. Do you think we could do that one day, Steve? Go live. You're crazy.

No. I'm not. I mean, we could do like a Facebook live or even through the new fan page probably. Oh. That was not fake.

I swear to God. I think that would be hilarious. We're adding it fun. Then also on the fan call, there's going to be a Facebook live. We're going to do once a week.

Shot the buck up. No, we're not. We're going to come to you every morning. Why would 5 a.m. Stephen, can you edit this part just so we have it so we can play it to Karen every time she's like,

The fuck made this decision to do this. When I'm laying on my couch, like, I'm not coming to that. You're just like, no, no, no. It's for all your ideas. You did this.

You did this. You took the head rat of steam in the mustache. I'm putting it directly on us live. That's what she wanted. Come on, everybody.

Okay. I do think it would be cool if we could have a hotline. Hotline. She's just adding so much. Just pick up a phone every once in a while.

Maybe there's somebody there. Like, let's go to, I feel like we could do like one. We could do a live hometown read episode or to put up on the fan page.

“You mean, like, I grabbed this microphone and run downstairs to find somebody on the street?”

No, I ran on the street. No, we just read from a page live. Where? On the face on the camera. Listen, I'm going to get this together and I'm going to make it.

Make me sense. Bring it to me and make me see it with you. I see it here. I just don't have that. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Not. Someone said they wanted to play words with friends with me. And I said, I think that that they were being mean. Because you just want to let us attack. Oh, that was an attack on you.

Could you know you're going to win? You took them asking to play a game with you as an insult. Yes. Yes. I can't even when I, I've, I used to play yacht see with friends or with buddies.

Um, but I hated the idea. Everyone's wanted to play with a person. I didn't know just whoever was on there. Yeah. And it creeped me out so much.

I don't like that idea. It's creepy. You're supposed to talk to strangers. Especially with the yacht see words. No.

Spilling your words with the yacht see. No. Don't yacht see with strangers. Don't yachts with strangers. No.

What was that supposed to be? Don't talk to strangers. Don't yachts to strangers. Yeah. You know what I mean?

No. Take it out. Do not. This is why we don't go live. Guys, this is, Steven.

This is going to be the one you don't have to edit.

Watch this. Watch this. Here we go. We start practicing now. Yeah.

No more edits. Yeah. Can't even imagine. Shit.

“Well, we do it live on live shows all the time.”

That is true.

And we just knocked those out of the park every single time.

Oh. There's a baby in the audience. Oh my god. You guys are as a baby in the audience at the LA show. It was a noise that we heard.

We stopped. We looked around. Was it like you? It was like me. I think that was like.

We think about this in time. Kind of went. Is that it? Is that a baby? And then just someone raised a baby up.

Over their head. Lion King style. Totally lion King style. And it was just a cute little whoops. I just didn't need me in the face.

Oh, I'm sorry. Lion King style. And this baby was just staring at us. And you and I didn't just both lost her mind. Trying to get the baby to smile.

Yes.

And the most obnoxious way in front of 20, 700 people.

You'll hear it. And then the baby was. Yeah. Let's quiet the rest of the time. Chill out.

Cool. That was a chill baby. But it was weird and crazy and creepy.

“This, you know, say the effort in front of that.”

Huh? Probably I would guess eight month old baby. Yeah. Oh, guys, this is stuff. It's having us.

You weren't there for. That's where that's a new corner called. You weren't there. And we're back. If we were marking time by documentaries.

Yeah. This is the wild wild country era of your life. What was that like? Do you remember? Yeah.

I wouldn't have guessed it was that far back. But yes. Right? Eight years ago. Yeah.

Those new plus brothers. They love doing just like random things all over the place. They'll do it all and they'll do it all over Silver Lake. That's right. That's how they do it.

This is when the fan cult was born. Oh, that's right. Oh my god. That's right. I forgot that it had a birthday.

It just seems like it was always there with us.

I know. And it's that's so funny. It's like, well, there's enough people where we should start a little club. The people would actually pay to be in a little club with us. Yeah.

Thanks, guys. Thanks for everyone who's ever joined the fan cult. We started a fan cult. So no one can ever take that away from us. Yes.

Come at me. We have a discord. Sorry. We're going to. That's one step too far, Karen.

Oh, this was the show where I shared the information that I was having panic attacks in the dentist chair. And then it was actually that I was being given no vacay. And I should be given light again. Is that like, I don't know why.

Like finding stuff like that out when you're an adult seems so either rare or just weird that no one ever figured it out before. Yes. Kind of infuriating. Yeah.

How why couldn't we get this onto YouTube in the first iteration of when the orchestra collapses. Right. Right. Right. You could just come out with little bits of information.

Did it change anything for you? Oh, yeah. I mean, everyone's seen my gigantic veneers that I've had and loved one of my favorite purchases. But yeah, I mean, I started going to the dentist all the time because I was in that chair. It just solved it.

It just solved it. I, well, it's so much work to do. My old teeth. Anytime anyone wants to talk about veneers looking fake. I'm like great.

I love how fake they look because my teeth before look like I was a character in Lame as a rob. It was fucking insane. One was chipped in half. They were yellow. Yeah. They were short Irish teeth. Come on. No, I don't think your veneers look fake at all.

There's times where we're podcasting and I feel like I can't get my lips around. Yeah. Well, me too. And they're real. But that's because there's a bit minor just big, you know.

I mean, the challenges. True. It's so hard for us. And still we started the fan called. That's still we persevere with the fan called your wife.

There are good videos there now too, by the way. I think everyone should know that we're like not half-assing the videos. We put up weekly. No, remember those unboxing? Yeah.

I love unboxing, but it got a little unpredictable. It was very inspired. We have to have like a little game. That's the fun of it. We're so what are we doing?

Totally. Yeah. There's fun games now there. There's like fucking years, eight years of videos and all kinds of things there now. That's all fans of things.

“Fancult.supercast.com if you want to check it out.”

If you want to hear the secrets. If you're in that season of your life, or you're ready to handle a fan called and check it out. Okay. Let's get into your story because it's a fucking banger.

It's one of the big ones. So let's get into Karen's story about the Hillside Stranglers. Oh. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the burden of Guild Season 3 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous situation that destroyed two families.

It's a scorched earth war that shows just how far someone will go to get what they want.

And I had to choose the truth."

“Listen to season 3, a burden of Guild on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcast,”

or wherever you get your podcast. Who goes first this week? Karen. Karen. Karen.

Also, the alienist is now over and I would just like to say to everybody involved. Great fucking job. I watched every episode twice. Nice. That means Georgia thought it was boring.

I can't. I'm going to watch it. I'm going to make myself sick. And I'm going to binge watch it. Do it.

A hundred percent because outfits are amazing.

I want to be able to talk to you about it. I'm going to talk to you. Okay. I want to stop talking to you because of this. To go to fanning rules it.

The whole idea of it. At one point in the last episode, she walked up to tell the police chief something. She's like the first person, the first woman to work in the New York Police Department. I don't think it's based on a true real person although I could be wrong. But she walks up and she is wearing like cool lots.

It looks like it's just pants.

“Payouts and supposed to be like a long dress.”

But then you see that it's actually pants. It's the most thing that's very subtle. Yeah. And I was like that fucking costume department nailed it hard. That would be a fun costume department to work in.

Probably so many vests. So many guys. So many voters you've ever seen. Insane shoulders. So much crazy.

It was a fascinating. Yeah.

Well, we're so much so watch it.

And then we'll talk to you about it. And then we'll all gather up. We'll meet back here live. We'll do well. It'll be great.

Meet us live here. Yeah. We're doing this. We're going to go and fully read just and Kelly on this. I love it to last her.

Listen, Betty White started her career by doing morning television in LA. And they used to do morning television for five hours. Holy shit. So they'd go on the air.

Whatever it's 6 a.m. And then go off the air. Like, and whatever plus. What are those? Somewhere around two.

I don't know. I don't know. That's all. That's what you get with live shit. So.

This is all you. Now it's interesting that you started talking about the LA live show. Because. And hopefully. Well, I made a mistake at the live show in Los Angeles.

As we talked about, I was nervous. But I had planned up until. Right before that I was going to do the Hillside Stranglers. Yeah. Yeah.

And then I changed my mind because I was like, it's so. It's awesome. The detail is very dense. The details, whatever. So I switched it.

Talked about an awesome woman. You'll hear me do whatever. But I actually told the audience. Yeah. I was going to do it and change my mind.

Why I would do that. I have no. That's like one of the great rules of performance. You don't tell people what you're not going to fucking do. And give them the opportunity to be like, Oh, I wish you had done that.

You told them you weren't going to do the Hillside Strangler.

And then instead you're going to do some women that they'd never heard of.

And it was just like, Oh, the baby was like, I'm the. I'm out of here. The baby was like, I paid good fucking money to be alive. Um, I mean, I was talking about like the first city editor of a newspaper. It was great.

And then now I'm getting defense. Anyway, I took all my research. Hey, and now I'm doing the Hillside Strangler. Yeah. I can neither of us have done it.

It's great.

“It's, you know, I think these ones that this is one of those ones.”

The cops didn't pay attention because the first three victims were sex workers. And run away. It's that thing that we that happens in all of the common denominator in these stories. Yeah. Is people making a snap judgment on the value of a woman's life.

Right. And then deciding whether or not they deserved to have their murder. It prosecuted. It's like so frustrating. It feels so layered and shitty.

Yeah. And we go. And that's what you tuned in for. Hi, everybody. So this from October 1977 to February 1978, the city of Los Angeles.

And most of Southern California was paralyzed with fear. Women were being murdered and brazenly. I wrote that dumped in the Hills of Los Angeles. Um, many times in full view. Now, that's something I didn't really understand until I started looking at pictures.

Yeah. And researching for the show that I didn't do it on. You truly like it was this display. And it's so fucking creepy and crazy and oftentimes in the later, especially in the later ones.

So like one of the victims, the guy walked outside of his house and sees a dead teenage girl naked and split out. And he went through a tarp over. Yeah. Because he's like the kids are going to get come.

Be leaving for school. I'm not going to see that. See the story evidence. But it's for it's for it's for the good of. Well, I mean, just because it's like what the fuck is going on.

And like this is it's so extreme. And so and this was in the late 70s. And we've talked about those other murders like the freeway killers.

“Remember when there was it was either two or three freeway killers at the same time.”

Yeah. Like just because they're so much. Yes. Yeah. And so then this this started happening.

She's. So. Their bodies were found. I don't know why I wrote this like synopsis paragraph. I probably spent a really long time on it too.

So basically when we're talking about the hillside triangular at first,

it the media was calling them the hillside triangular. Because they as soon as it was one murderer. Right. But secretly the cops knew it was to because they were seeing where these bodies were placed. And they knew that not one man couldn't be lifting.

Yeah. Carrying or placing these bodies where they ended up. But they didn't release that to the media because they knew that that that would help them later on. Right. But when they did find out who it was.

It was a couple of cousins named Angela Blona and Kenneth Bianchi. Two of the worst people that have ever existed. Absolutely. Just simply that trash people. It will and I remember a while ago starting to read the true crime book about the hillside

pillars and the details with which they described what happened to these girls and women in Angela Blona's house slash a poultry fucking shop are so upsetting and insane and extreme. I stopped reading the book. There's their satis. Yes.

It's torture. It's they tortured all of them and they and Angela Blona especially. He's like the son of fucking Satan and. Yeah. He's like the son of a fucking man.

He's like the son of a fucking man. He's like the son of a fucking man. He's like the son of a fucking man. He's like the son of a fucking man. He's like the son of a fucking man.

He's like the son of a fucking man. He's like the son of a fucking man. He's like the son of a fucking man. He's like the son of a fucking man. He's like the son of a fucking man.

He's like the son of a fucking man. He had a criminal record by the time he was a teenager for sexual assault. Doing things like pulling down a girl's underwear bragging that he had raped. Women when he or girls when he was 14. Like he was he was fucked up.

When he was 17, he married a high school sweetheart. Yeah. He had a high school sweetheart. Yeah. How is that?

Yeah, it doesn't really have just the woman who's the girl who stuck around him. With a girl that got like, it's almost like, you know, when Ricky Tickie Tabby

“when the snake goes up and hypnotized by the eyes, I think that's what it is.”

It's that thing where you're like, oh my god, this worthy Italian is paying so much attention to me. Oh, he just hit me in the face. Oh, wait, now he's sorry. He wants to marry me. Yep.

Yep. I would love to get married. The magazine say I should. Yeah. Okay.

So he, um, basically he abandoned his high school sweetheart after, uh, and, and her, and their unborn child.

Thank god for her. Once he finds out he knocked her up. Yes, exactly. Then he marries a woman named Mary Castillo. Again, domestic violence issues.

Um, then, and not until he rapes their two-year-old daughter. Then she leave him, and then she goes back to him after that. What the fuck? Mm-hmm. Then, uh, one, she eventually finds herself.

He's, he, handcuffs her and holds her gunpoint, and then she finally leaves him. But it's like, that's why I couldn't read the book.

“I was just like, this is, who are these fucking people?”

What the fuck? Why doesn't a big truck ever hit that guy? Seriously. I mean, it probably has, like, I bet there's a lot of people who have died that, like, more of those people.

That's super deserted. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the end of the lovely bones when, like-- Yeah.

It's like, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. Right.

Read the lovely bones that's fucking incredible.

It's such a good book. It's such a good book. It's such a good book. Um, and, and not a bad movie. Oh, yeah.

That's good movie. Um, okay. So, uh, two-year-old. A two-year-old. It's so filthy and, and, like, and he's just pathological.

Yeah. Um, so, of course, he becomes a caraposter or 1975. Oh, what else are you going to do with this book and stupidity for that? I mean, think about that too.

“When you have to be an imposter, it's all that, like, punching and riffing.”

Wait. Doesn't Tom Simley's hometown was also a person. That member was the guy that made the idea of furniture and, like, the weird tools and stuff. Yeah. That was, like, a way in way back episodes.

Yeah. Yeah. I killed his mother. That was a crazy story. He gave me the same handful of, a poll showers.

So, I did a poll show, murdering a poll showers right now are fucking. They're crying. They're fucking calling 911. [laughter] This is not a, this, this is not a thing to call 911.

No. Please. Just email Stephen. He loves to hear from you. [laughter]

Okay. So, that's Angela Boehner. He's the older cousin. He's definitely the cult leader in this two-man cult of fucking terror. He's got, he's really disgusting.

“And when he has, like, when he, when he looks like an old-fashioned,”

you know, Brooklyn Grocer in some of the pictures, but then he grows this fucking handlebar mustache. And he, it's satanic. He looks like the most evil person on the planet. And he's like this.

They say that Tom's skinny one. No. He's skinny, but he's smaller. Okay. Bianchi.

Camp Bianchi. The younger cousin was the taller one. Okay. And he was born May 22nd, 1951. He's 17 years younger.

Okay. He's definitely like a sad sack follower. Yeah. So, he was abandoned by his mother, who was a sex worker in an alcoholic. He gets adopted by the Bianchi family.

He's troubled all his childhood, bedwetter, until he was a teenager. Yeah. So, violent temper, compulsive liar, and, of course, because he fell off a jungle jam when he was six. It is relieving him with his head injury.

Frontal low damage.

And they think that that basically affected his personality.

Yeah. So, that's quite the combinations. You have the safest older cousin. Yeah. And then the kind of like, maybe could have been fine.

Right. But then that influence. Yeah. Definitely was not. And it's like influence, but also just the perfect opportunity.

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. There's nothing like that thing where, like, someone gets an idea, and you know you shouldn't do it, but if they're in do it,

and you're like, well, then fine. Yeah. It's that weird, like, look, I've got this older cousin. Right. Love to be the devil.

Okay. So, he wasn't that smart, easy to influence. And he had, he'd already had a failed marriage. He tried to go to college. He wanted to study psychology.

He drops out after a semester. Mm-hmm. No shame in that, buddy. Hey, I'm in there. Um, dinner time.

Mm-hmm. Um, he also was obsessed with being a cop. Oh, yeah. Um, but he was rejected because of psych tests. Oh.

He failed psych tests. Um, and he had a girlfriend named Kelly Boyd.

So, he basically, in 1976, he, in, beginning of 1976,

he moves from Rochester, New York to LA to, um, to go live with his older cousin, Angela. Mm-hmm. They don't have a lot of money, so they get the idea that they're going to become pimps. And the way they're going to do that is they're going to go out,

and they're going to kidnap a couple of runaways, and basically make them be sex workers for them. So they do that. They actually find, um, two teenage girls, uh, once named Sabre Hannon and once named Becky Spears, and they take them back to, um, Angela's apartment,

“and they're like, this is what you have to do now.”

They're being pimped by those two, and Becky meets a lawyer. And she tells him what's happening. She tells him the situation. And he helps her escape get out of the city. And when she goes, then, um,

Sabre Hannon then has the guts to then run away herself. Yeah. So they, they get away. Oh, my God. Um, so, uh, they, then impersonate police officers

and kidnap another runaway. They put her in the girls bedroom. They set it up to have her be their next sex worker. Uh, and they buy a trick list from a sex worker named Deborah Noble.

So this is basically a bunch of dudes names who frequent, um,

sex workers so that they can get a hold of people directly and basically start their own pimping empire. Fuck that time, man. Yes, super gross. Now we'll now hear the thing.

They, uh, so Deborah and her friend Yolanda,

in, uh, October of 1977.

But when they go to use it, they find out it's fake.

Uh-oh. So they get furious, of course. They get into their car. They go try to find, um, Deborah Noble. And they can't find her.

“But then they remember as her driver down to find her,”

that when they were talking to Yolanda, that Yolanda told them that sometimes she works. Um, because she was also sex worker. She works on Sunset Ball Boulevard. Uh-huh.

So they go down there to find her and they do find her. Um, the next night, October 18th, 1977, the body of Yolanda, Washington, is found on a hillside, in forest lawn cemetery. What?

That's like right there. Uh-huh. It's, yeah. Close by. Also, she's naked.

She's posed in a grotesque nude position.

She's got literature, Mark, strangulation. Mark. We get your marks on a wrist. Um, strangulation marks should been strangled with, um, like a rope around her neck.

And they determined she was raped. She was a 20-year-old woman. Um, but when they call it, when the police arrive, um, one of the detectors on the case is detector Frank Solerano.

Oh, shit. Hey, Frank. We've talked about Frank Solerano a lot. He went on after this case. So he worked this case.

Um, and, uh, and then when it was over, uh, and what? Six years later, whenever when the, um, night stalker case started, he also, he took what he learned and from the mistakes that they made on the Hillside Strangler case

and helped him catch the night stalker. Um, he also was assigned to the Natalie Wood drowning. Oh, shit. And there's a lot of controversy about, obviously. Yeah.

You all know about that about how the, that report came through and how it was like, it was found to be a drowning and nothing suspicious from all that. It's really interesting. He's like, it's, the timing of him being

detective on LAPD is so crazy. Yeah. Because he, like, in the center of everything. So, so two weeks later, November 1st, 1977 and around six in the morning,

a homeowner in La Crocenta. This is what I was talking about. Um, and La Crocenta is 12 miles north of, uh, Los Angeles. Do you live there? Oh, shit.

Sorry. I had it that out. This seems like, um, no. No. Just even do you want to say where you live?

I was stuff Vasadina. Oh. Okay.

“Um, have you ever thought I'm moving to La Crocenta?”

I think you should move to La Crocenta. I mean, I want to hear about it though. It's great. It's, um, it's a little, uh, kind of upper mental class neighborhood that's nestled right into those foothills.

Um, the, um, are they foothills? Or are they regular hills? I don't know. Um, okay.

So two weeks later, on November 1st, 1977, around six in the morning, a homeowner in La Crocenta, um, walks outside of his house and sees the dead body of a 15-year-old girl, laying on the hillside across the street from his home. Um, so he goes and covers her body with a tarp,

because all these kids are about to leave their house to go to school. Um, and soon they identify, um, the victim as 15-year-old Judy Miller. She was a runaway, sometimes sex worker in Hollywood. Uh, and she also has literature marks on her wrists,

her neck, and her ankles. Um, and so now they know that she's bound, and she was murdered somewhere else and bound somewhere else.

Um, and then dumped in this second location.

And this is detectus Lerno when he is looking at Judy's body. He notices a piece of light colored fluff on her eyelid, and he pulls it and saves it for evidence later.

“Um, and this was like, I think before, like,”

really intense forensic testing, but he was like, this must be a clue. And that kind of detective work that he did on this is the reason they eventually were able to make the case once they found them. Okay.

She was, Judy was last seen alive October 31st, 1977. She was talking to a man and a large two-tone sedan on Sunset Boulevard. Eventually, what everyone finds out is that's the car that Angelo and Ken Bianchi used to drive around in. Oftentimes, um, telling people they were under cover cops or, or detective.

Uh-huh. And, um, and they would basically go drive up and down the strip and arrest girls saying they're bringing them in for solicitation. Oh my god. I am cuffed them, get them into the back of the car, and then

kidnap them and take them to Angelo's house. Yeah. Yeah. So they, of course, they're getting these people that they, they're going will willingly because they think they're in trouble.

Yeah. Um, so, uh, they tell Judy that she's being arrested for solicitation.

She's raped orchard, Sodomized, and strangled.

Five days later, on November 6, 1977, another naked body with the same ligature marks is found on Chevy Chase Drive near a country club in Glendale. Oh my god. Uh-huh.

“I think I know that I think I know that country club.”

It's on that weird turn. Chevy Chase and what? Oh. Yeah. It's like in Glendale.

Yeah. Um, I mean, I don't know exactly where. So the night before, at least a cast in is she's a 21 year old wait, waitress at health fair restaurant on Hollywood and Vine. Uh-huh.

She leaves work at nine. She's driving home. She gets pulled over by two plain clothes, police officers. No such thing, guys. Right.

They handcuff her teller that she needs to be taken in for questioning. And then, uh, the next morning, her naked body is found. And there's evidence of rape. Um, but she's found on the other side of a tall guardrail. And that's when police first observed.

They're like, there's no way one guy. Because she based on like the size of her body. They're like one person couldn't have just, like lifted this over easily. Yeah. And that's when they were like pretty sure that it was a two-man killing team.

Uh-huh. Um, so the next thing that happened, which is fascinating. Um, 24 year old Katherine Lori Baker. Um, who's the daughter of character Peter Lori. Oh my god.

Um, with the big eyes. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, if you've never seen the movie, um, it's really amazing.

And he plays a serial killer in it. It's, it's a great fucking old movie. And he's a really famous character. Like, there's a bunch of old, like, those old bugs bunny cartoons that would have.

“Remember when they would do episodes where there would be caricatures of, like, old famous people.”

Yeah. Like Clark Gable and Lauren Bacoll. Yeah. Peter Lori's in those cartoons. He's the guy with a really big eyes.

He kind of was like, oh, he always lit. And anyway, love him. So they fucking try to pull the weird fake cops. Show us your ID, your arrested scam on Katherine Lori Baker. But when she pulls out her ID, like, she's looking for a wallet.

They see a picture of her sitting on Peter Lori's lap. They see that she, her name is Katherine Lori Baker. She says, yeah, that's my dad. And they let her go. What?

Big fans of Peter Lori. The fuck up. Yeah.

Lauren, she was, um, interviewed.

And she told the interviewer that when she was talking to them, she was not, they were, there was nothing about them that was scary. Yeah. She said it was a casual conversation there.

“She got no bad vibes off of them whatsoever.”

Oh, which really creep me out, really. Yeah. When I wrote that. The next on November 10th, they find another body in Franklin Canyon. North of Beverly Hills.

It's, um, she's identified as Jill Barcom. She's a 19 year old. She just moved to LA for New York City. Um, she had been a sex worker in New York City. Um, but she'd moved to Hollywood.

And her body showed the same liquor church, strangulation marks. She'd also been raped. And this is when police aren't now or sure that they have a serial killer. Yeah.

So that was November 10th, eight days later on November 18th. The body of a high school student is found on Pico Boulevard. It's eventually identified as 17 year old Kathleen Robinson, um, who went to high school. She lived with her mom in Hollywood.

And she had last been seen the day before at the beach. Then this one's so fucked. I mean, they're all terrible. But on November 20th, 1977, a nine year old boy finds the bodies of two girls in a trash heap

on a hillside near Dodger Stadium. Oh, my God. That's so horrible. Um, 12 year old, Dolly Sepeta and 14 year old Sonja Johnson. Um, a week before they had last seen been seen a week before getting off a bus on York Boulevard at Avenue 46.

Um, which I think is right in Iraq. Yeah. And, um, they, they had walked up to a two-tone sedan that had two men sitting inside of it. Um, um, and the bodies when they were found had been a week later.

So they had decomposed, but they could still, police could still tell that they had been strangled and raped. On the same day that those bodies are found. Hikers, um, on a hillside, uh, between Glendale and Eagle Rock,

find a naked body of a dead woman, um, who's identified as 20 year old Christina Wackler. She's a quiet honor student at the Arts Center College of Design. Um, she also has literature marks on her wrist neck and ankles.

But unlike the other victim, the police noticed she has two puncture marks in her arm that they later find out. Um, she had been injected with one dex while she was being tortured by them at some point.

Uh-huh.

“Um, and they would also come to learn that Christina was Kenneth Bianchi's neighbor.”

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay.

So then three days after Christina's body is found,

a body is discovered in near the Los Felos Off-Ramp, um, of the 101. So there's pictures of, uh, uh, the five,

the five. Sorry, the five. What the fuck? Um, that's the,

I've seen that picture. It's, and it's like, right, it's right there. I mean, if you were driving by, you would have seen it.

Yeah. Driving by. Yeah. It's so crazy and awful. Um, and,

I mean, Jesus. It's, I drive on that.

I never, I'm not on that frame.

I spend all my time on that. Um, so the severity of the decomposition of that body, prevented authorities from being able to tell if she had been raped or tortured. Okay, so they put her out and she was,

Indie Comparadi because someone would have seen it earlier. No, they she'd been missing So they but they found the body there. So they're with the picture from what I remember the picture I saw

“There's like a bunch of IV and shrubs. Yeah, so I think she was underneath that but just enough. Yeah, so that just people didn't see it. Yeah, it sadly”

You can look up all these crime scene photos They're very upsetting yeah, and there's a ton of them because it was they're like the police crime Seeing photos are on the internet. Yeah, and it's also strange because they all look the same Yeah, it's like a bunch of men and suit standing around and a little body and little naked body kind of in the distance It's just insane

So it turned out that this was the body of 28-year-old Evelyn Jane King she'd been missing since November 9th So she had been gone for like two-week over two-weeks So this is when they start the task force for the hillside strangler singular. Okay, so it's 30 LAPD officers The sheriff's department and the Glundale police department all come in together to catch this killer

But still the police don't reveal that they know it's two men. Yeah, live that let everybody call it the hell such shouldn't they help people that so that you know women can be a little more You know, I'm aware that today maybe they would have and they but I bet you they were trying to do They were trying to like be prepared for when they're caught and nobody could get I'll pick something else

I mean, yeah, maybe because well, it's just the thing them the thing to me that's so disturbing is that thing of impersonating a police man Having two of them which is what that's actually much more believable Totally for people impersonating a police man. Totally. It's it's it's kind of put They shouldn't but it puts you a little more ease that there's two people there. Yes, you know even if they're like for whatever reason Not even just for fake cops just right, but the cut the fake cop thing pisses me off so much

It's so unfair that in the when when someone accidentally like rear-ends you quote unquote accidentally and then

“You have to get out of your car and yeah, that those are such fucking dirty tricks. I hate it so much”

It's really awful and also it's just such a strange thing to think back then there were only pay phones So like if you had a fucking emergency if somebody rear-ended you it was raining to mill the night You're in your car and then some dude walks up like knock knock knock out of the car

You couldn't even go hold on a second. Let me just make sure the cops come here first. There's nothing you could do that scene and Zodiac when you had when he puts her fucking tire

Back on her and then she starts driving and the tire comes off. I've watched Zodiac probably 10 times I skipped that scene because it's the best thing that maybe whoever it is does such a great Realistic job of like what you're fucking do you can't are baby with her. Yeah, okay, so Less than a week later, so also you have to think about this too. These things are just keep happening. It's so quick It's so quick. It's so intense. These guys are like, you know

They're berserking. Yeah, it's that. I think they call it. They say at that on last podcast on left It's like they're gone into berserker. Oh my totally And I have listened to this one on last podcast. Yeah, I just it's been a really long time since I've heard it So I'm not copying you guys Marcus

Less than a week later in November 29th, 1977 another body of an 18 year old girl is found Her name's Lauren Wagner. She was a business student. She lived with her parents in the hills in Mount Washington She had ligature marks on her neck. Engels and rests. She also had burn marks on her hand The police knew immediately. She had been tortured and then morning after her body was found her parents found her car Part of across the street from their house with the door of Jar so they go knocking on the neighbor's doors to find out if anybody saw anything

Where the car was parked I told them that she had seen Lauren's abduction So she says that she's our two men one was tall and young the other was older and short with Bushy hair and she had heard Lauren cry out You won't get away with this and she didn't call it, please. I guess not Yeah, that's like that's the other thing too, where then easy to say in retrospect

“But you'd always want to be like just even if you're not so tall the police. Yeah, but what could you not be sure about?”

Well because it could be teenagers like this is the 70s. There's it like it could be teenagers smoking pot and fighting and joking It could be a girl fighting with their boyfriends like It's just such a people were I think much more disconnecting like unsure nobody was thinking Although it is pretty far into this fucking series sure that you don't just go. Hey, yeah, since this city wide fucking panic is happening. Okay

But sorry, I'm sure that lady is racked with that's that's a life-racker buy it. So yeah Okay, so I don't think a witness name her. No, please God so then December 14th 1977 so

Like two weeks later basically

The body of 17-year-old Kimberly Martin is found in a deserted parking lot near City Hall downtown the body's naked show signs of torture The police discover Kimberly was the sex worker who had recently signed up with an escort agency So she wouldn't be getting John's off the street because of the hillside strike Lord honey and they called her agency and she was the woman dispatched

Just like they called the agency the the cousins called the agency and What the fuck and and got her and then tortured her and killed her. Oh, man. What a like I can only like picture her Being like fuck man. She's she is being careful. She's like actually is aware Yeah, and taking measures to do something about it They when they go to the apartment that she had been dispatched to the address. It's empty. It had been broken into the final victim

was found in Los Angeles on February 17, 1978

So it basically it's basically a two month. That's it's rest period. Oh, yeah, okay two month

That's the longest it's been so far a helicopter pilot spots in a abandoned orange dots in on the Angeles crest highway and when they go police go and investigate the body of 23-year-old Cindy Hudson's Beth a part-time way trust and student is found in the trunk She has the ligature marks. She's been raped and tortured and then her body was stuffed in the trunk of the car and then the car was pushed off the

And she was also a neighbor of Christina Wecler The an earlier victim and therefore a neighbor of Kent Bianchi, but nobody actually looked into that any further and Pretty soon after the Hillside Strangler Task Force was dispanned. I know because they thought it was slowing down or stopping and

I'm sure financially. That's that's always the thing they say around the same time

February 1978 Kelly Boyd who is the girlfriend of Kenneth Bianchi the two of them have a son and By uh, they have a son and February and by March She's like I'm leaving you. I'm going to move back in with my parents up in Washington state I don't like like you're going out all the time and you're never here

You don't help me and so I'm leaving you and he tries to get back together with her and she basically says after three months

“She's like fine, but you have to move up here with me. Mm-hmm”

Kenneth Bianchi moves to Delling him Washington and basically thinks he's going to like put all that behind him and start a new life He gets a job as a security guard Here into the trust of his employers He's trying to be a family man and

He it's still he It's doesn't work so he has the murderous urges still he basically Lures on January 11th 1979, so he's you know been up there for like less than a year. Mm-hmm He lures two women 22-year-old Karen Mandak and 27-year-old Diane Wilder to an empty house Under the guys of giving them jobs as house sitters and

He rapes and murders both of them. Oh my god Um, and then he fucking goes home that night his girlfriend Kelly later says It was like it was just a regular night. He came home. He asked me about the baby

“We watched television and we called it a night. What the fuck?”

But he was so clearly Angela was the brains of the a team. Yeah, because Kenneth Bianchi was arrested for these two murders the next day

And this is kind of the famous thing about Kenneth Bianchi and you can see all of these interview tapes online

“and it is so fucking ridiculously stupid. He tries to plead insanity and he tries to claim that he has”

dissociative identity disorder and a multiple personalities basically and so and that it wasn't him

Committed those murders. It was his other personality. All right, so basically he gets interviewed by a psychologist and Then Display these personalities the first personality is Ken He's the nice guy and then eventually Steve comes out and Steven Steven is the murderer He puts on a big fake mustache

No, you're he actually already had a very Steven like mustache I'm just saying something to consider Steven. So a bunch of psychologists watch these tapes

One of famous one named Dr. Martin Orn. They watch these tapes and they're just like he's a hundred percent fake

Yeah, like there's there's no question. So He agreed he admits he's faking he agrees to plead guilty and Testify against Angela and exchange for a more lenient sentence. They do not give him more You're like you're gonna do all that and then you'll get what you're getting a fuck yourself Yeah, this is his confession is they bring him back to LA and

That's begins a trial that lasts five years holy shit one of the longest in history wow It's me on that jury right I mean so 450 witnesses two years worth of testimony a long guy Angela Bono's trial ended in 1983 the presiding judge Ronald M. George said this to him

I would not have the slightest reluctance to impose the death penalty in this case

We're within my power to do so I romantly although these two defendants utilized almost every form of legalized execution against their victims The defendants have escaped any form of capital punishment But the jury brought back Multiple life sentences because they didn't want them to escape by just being killed

Yeah, they wanted them to go to jail and suffer. Oh, wow. Yeah, Kenneth Bianchi was given two life sentences and he's still serving Them out I was gonna say one of them out both of them out In the Washington state penitentiary Angela Bono died of a heart attack in 2002

“Where he was I believe they gave him nine back to backlash sentences and this is just an interesting tidbit”

While Kenneth Bianchi was in jail in 1980 he started a relationship with a woman named Veronica Compton She was later convicted and imprisoned for attempting to strangle a woman. She had lured to a hotel in an effort to convince authorities that the hillside straggler was still on the loose Bianchi had given her Seaman that that she smuggled out of jail to plant at the scene who seeming

To make it look like oh somebody else is right to make it look like it was the work of the hillside straggler. Oh My god, yeah, and so she tried to kill somebody to prove for her jail bird boy For a psychopath yeah, and so what happened to it she they got caught she was convicted of of doing that She killed someone or didn't and she was imprisoned no no attempt at the tempted. Okay. Yeah. No. She got caught What the fuck? I mean, there's all that I already it's not went on so long, but like I have barely scratched the surface of the crazy

“Fucking shit you definitely if you want to hear the good stuff”

I 100% recommend that you list a lot last podcast on the left series of the hillside straggler guys Please make good choices just make the basics of good choices life Like like don't pull over for the police no like don't let don't they to do to use a murder on prison and then don't take the cup of Seaman from him I'm trying to murder someone and plant it don't do that Don't if somebody can't make good plans

That's not even it like a good. Yeah. He stepped plan I'm like we're gonna do this. It's gonna have this definite effect. Yeah, like every there's so many variables in that plan alone Yeah, and also why would you unless your you're just a killer in waiting? Yeah, why would you agree to kill somebody? Just to try to get your boyfriend out of jail. Totally. I mean, I guess you love him. Someone? No, no, no He's not even your high school sweetheart

He's not your real sweetheart if he's asking you to murder his not your sweetheart. He's disqualified from the sweetheart Yeah, don't fall for it Come on one one one of the sloppy or presentations. I've ever given that was great. What are you talking about?

Yeah I can thank you. That was great. Thank you. Thank you for informing me It's my pleasure. It's what I like to do Okay, we're back here and any updates. There are some in 2023 during his detention Kenneth Bianchi changed his name to Anthony de Mado his most recent parole hearing was in July of

2025 he was denied he's eligible again for parole in 10 years He claims his confession was made under hypnosis and has challenged his conviction multiple times

“Remember the hypnosis tape? No, I need to go back and watch all this stuff”

He was pretending to be crazy, and it's such bad at doing it. That's right. It like breaks you out into a sweat because he thinks he's doing amazing And it's so corny. Yeah, anyway in January of 2016 MGM released the docu series the hillside Strangler about the case and it featured new on camera interviews with Katapyonki where he maintained his innocence Do you think there's any way like I get so silly and now you've when it comes to these things Or it's like what if but there's just no way no because remember then he went up to

Seattle to the suburbs of Seattle and was a serial rapist final point his release date is set for 2025 when he's 114 years old literally So that's the end of the hillside tranglers good now. Let's get into Georgia's story about the murder of Dana Bradley When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific colortist They take matters into their own hands. I vowed I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this

He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that trust your girlfriends

Listen to the girlfriends trust me babe on the eye heart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast Why do some women yearn for Shakita's a black hair to make a comeback and Whatever happened to the power couple of my dreams where I carry and Louise Miguel I'm Maria Garcia. You may remember me from my podcast anything for Selena or my devil and now I'm back to unpack more stories from the present and the past

Listen to me excited with Maria Garcia on the eye heart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Eye survived nine months in captivity and I've spent my life exploring how other people survived What should have destroyed them? I'm Elizabeth smart and these are the survivor files every week I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable abducted stocked controlled and nearly silenced these are stories about what it takes to make it out alive

Listen to the survivor files with the Elizabeth smart on the eye heart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts This is a sadly typical story that has some crazy twists in it

Okay, but I had never heard about until I read one of our hometown murders. Oh wow. Yeah, and then I was like well, that's fucking weird

So this is the story of the murder of Dana Bradley. Okay, so St. John's is the capital and largest city in Newfoundland Canada and it has the lowest homicide rate in Canada. Wow. Yeah, I was gonna First of all is laughing because I was like what if you just pronounced that wrong newfoundland

“I thought newfoundland what if I think it's newfoundland. I think I think it is no no no no”

I was laughing because I don't I know I missed pronounced that but my friend so I have two friends Sorry, my friend Paul Greenberg as wife Jackie are from Canada and Jackie used to make these jokes she used to choose hilarious and She used to

Impressions of they call them new fees and as people from Newfoundland and she'd always go. Oh, no, I burned my face in a chip far

And apparently that's a real thing that happens and not just a newfoundland, but I think around Canada a chip fire You make chips you make french fries at how at your house after you've been drinking all night in a bar So really drunk people go home deep fry french fries Pass out and light their house. Oh, I'm like a very common thing To Newfoundland specifically, but let's not pin that on them entirely

“But that's how I'm familiar with you. Let us know if I have no point of reference and that is now my point of reference”

And I love it. It's all I have so now it's all you have. I'm going with it

So here we are in St. John's it's um December 14th, 1981

“14 year old Dana Bradley she's like a typical grade nine grade nine student. She's”

Pretty good friend friendly full of life she loves with art. She's just a normal girl She lives her home her friends home. She'd been hanging out there after school and she was headed home for her mom's birthday party I know and she goes towards the bus stop which is a few minutes away from her friend's house It's on top sale road. It's one of the busier roads in town and She was going to take the bus home

But it's possible she either missed the bus or just didn't feel like waiting for it because So two brothers who were taking a break from selling Christmas trees on their road

They are hanging out in their car at Tim Horton's

Tim Horton. We've been there in Canada. Yeah, that's right. I don't know if it's anywhere else But I think it's lots of place. Okay great around so it's around 520 pm. They see a young girl hitchhiking Well, they're sitting in their truck. It's about 25 or 30 feet away from the road. They didn't know her But they remember her because they remarked on how young she was to be hitchhiking Even though hitchhiking was kind of a normal thing especially a small town like this fact then

According to the brothers, they saw a car pull-up. It was a 73 to 76 Ford or Dodge Dart or Plymouth valiant It was beige tan or faded yellow with noticeable rest marks and a male driver offer Dana ride She got in and they drove off and the brothers with the last people to see Dana live. Oh So because Dana had phoned home before leaving her friend's house to say she was on her way home her parents and family were immediately like something is going on

“If they file a police report, but of course nothing can be done that night because that's how it always goes”

But it's hours and days go by and Dana is not seen or heard from and her parents who know something as wrong She's not the type of girl who would run away four days later on December 18th in 1981 in a remote wooded area off a dirt road just outside St. John's This couple and their kids are out looking for a Christmas tree to chop down. Oh no, I know and The dad

Spots Dana's body about six miles away six miles away from the road where she had been hitchhiking. Oh, okay that sees the body thinks it's a mannequin of course. Yeah, it's not so Dana's autopsy shows that she died from numerous blows to the head with a blunt object and was sexually assaulted but a weird thing is that Dana

“Had been found fully dressed in her school clothes even though she hadn't sexually assaulted and had been laid out”

Carefully burial style so like placed very neatly with her arms over her chest and also her school books had been tucked in neatly under her arm Oh no, like that's like stage in yeah like like almost lovingly placed her there it seems right So because of the way she was laid out police thought maybe that the killer was remorseful that that was you know him trying to kind of make it better. Yeah, so they made an appeal to him through the media

The murder didn't come forward but the brothers who had seen her get in the car did and they also told Detective about how the driver had to reach over to the passenger side door to open the door from the inside Like almost like something was wrong with the outer door and most of that was another point of that That car that they had and they were also able to give police a good description and they got a police sketch Two other witnesses came forward saying that they saw the car and a man emerged from the woods

So they saw the car by the side of the road and a man emerged from the woods the night Dana disappeared Between midnight and 1 am where she was later found and they said the passenger side door of the car was open and that the dome light was eliminated in the car And they reported that the man had no jacket despite being middle of December and freezing So the search for Dana's killer became the biggest murder investigation in Newfoundland history

As well as one of the biggest and Canadian history at the time in the first week 800 cars were examined that match the description of the car that had picked up Dana

And there were 250 prime suspects at one point but nothing seemed to pan out So Finally though five years later in 1986 Dissected detectives Dissectives

Detectives received an anonymous note saying the murderer was an ex-con with a violent past named David Summerton And he really strongly resembled a sketch Oh, so they bring him in and he confesses to Dana's murder

He also described how he killed her and it was consistent with the facts So police

“Searched for the murder weapon. It was near where Dana's body had been found. He said he had buried it”

And police had thoroughly searched the area before that they went back and this time they removed trees and they like dug up earth and stuff

Trying to find it the but they never found anything and they also went to the local dump where he said he had left the car

But it wasn't there either In all nearly $1 million were spent digging up and searching those two sites, but nothing surface. Wow then This dude Summerton recants and says he only confessed after having been interrogated for 18 hours

And then at the time of his confession he was on heavy medication and so then he denied any involvement with Dana's murder and the police didn't have The evidence to hold him any longer

“But he was charged with public mischief and sentenced to two years in jail for misleading the RCMP. Oh shit”

Good old belt mounted police

So before you feel bad, we're have about that though years later. He was convicted of sexually assaulting a minor and two separate incidents So this guy's a creep too. Just coincidentally Not the killer but still a really bad guy. Maybe yeah. Yeah So another man was sentenced to nine months in prison in 1982 for making cruel harassing phone calls to the family to Dana's family But otherwise the case kind of

Didn't go cold because they wouldn't let it go cold, but there was no other real clues, but they kept getting tips and stuff The person who makes harassing phone calls to a murder victim's family who didn't do it Is as bad as the killer. Uh-huh. There's you are psychotic. Yeah, disgusting. Uh-huh. Who what the fuck? Yeah But people make good decisions

“Put pick up that phone and actually call nine one one on yourself. That's the best decision you can make in that”

Boy I am a piece of shit What kind of terrible shit has had to happen to you for you to be the harasser of murder victims family. It's just beyond totally That I know that's the surprising stance that I'm fucking standing by But it's like who's worse than murder who then makes the calls or the or just don't do to who fucking didn't even do it And then makes the calls and they're both bad

They're all in the shit head fraternity right in my opinion absolutely, but it's just like it's not a prank No, I hate prank culture. It's fucking hate it pranks like this hard enough of that So I'm pulling a fucking chair out from underneath you and video taken out. Oh God Biggest fear. No That one that one no just being pranked yes and video tape and video tape for a prank. That's not funny

It's just me and nothing's funny. Okay All right, let's cut to 2014. It's been 33 years since Dana was murdered. Oh fuck RC MP They're contacted by a man who uses a pseudonym to protect his identity name Robert He tells them that he witnessed Dana's murder in the events that followed whoa At the time 33 years before he was six years old

Oh, he tells them that two years before that moment after a lifetime of alcoholism he quit drinking Once he quit drinking in his mind started to heal he said Memories resurface. Oh, no

He first had memories of being sexually abused by this dude who was a close and trusted friend of his family

And then the memory of that man murdering Dana resurfaced. Oh my God So Robert story is that the man so his name is the man. We don't yeah The man yeah, yeah, was driving his father's car that day his dad had a six year old no the man the molest man I'm sorry. Let's call him the bad man. Great. Okay. Robert says that the bad man was driving his father's car that day It was a 1972 Dodge Dart uh-huh and that Robert was in the backseat of the car

They were leaving McDonald's on top sail road, which is where Dana got All right from right when the man noticed Dana hitchhiking Robert confirmed that his father's car had trouble with the passenger side door and that had to be open from the inside And from the backseat Robert had told him how to open it holy shit Dana got in Okay, this is true corroborating story of acts right here we go. Okay

So please so here we go for you call 911. Okay nothing seemed unusual as they made their way to her house

“But when she pointed out which house was hers then the bad man kept going and that's when panic said in”

And Robert said he it said in in him and he could tell it said in in Dana as well Dana tried to jump out of the car at one point with the man the bad man grabbed her and sped up And kept telling her he was going to turn around. He's like I'm gonna turn around. Don't worry about it But it actually he pulls off the road and Robert remembers that the bad man kept telling Dana that he just wanted to kiss Oh

And she was crying and fighting him and then she either scratched or pinched him or did something to hurt him because Robert remembers him kind of jumping back and at that moment Dana bolts out of the car And then Robert remembers and how insanely quickly it was that the bad man ran after her. Oh So Robert says he let out of the car at this point too this six-year-old's like what's going on And by this time the bad man had caught Dana and they fought to the ground as the six-year-old's watching

Robert said he stood near the car and

“Watched as the murder and sexual assault took place”

He said as a six-year-old he wasn't able to understand what was happening. He said the murder weapon was the tire iron from the car And that then when it was over the man put Dana's body in the trunk And drove towards where they were going to leave Dana's body along along the way disposed of the tire iron He the bad man tried to keep calling him that I mean I can follow it now. Okay, the he the man dumped Dana Over an embankment and then and then he retrieved her body realizing was a bad place to leave her

And brought it to where is ultimately found so

Then then Robert says quote and he was trying to get me to leave because he said her mom and dad would be looking for her And he told me that she was going to go to school the next morning trying to get him to come away and Robert was like crying and didn't want to leave her in the forest He was scared. Oh my god This is horrible, you know, and then Robert says

So the the man says that she we have to leave her her parents are going to come so she can go to school the next day and then Robert says Well, then she needs her books Oh So the man went goes up to the car gets her books and puts them under her arm Because the six-year-old is like

Will we need to give her her books back? This is the fucking saddest thing of all time. I know Okay Later that night Robert then says the man woke him up and made him come back out with him To the side of the body to look for his jacket that he left behind and he says he thinks the reason he made him come with him is in case he got pulled over

Or whatever would be like well, my kid's here with me. Yeah, so they pull over to the side of the road He stays in the car And the man goes into the woods to look for his jacket and Robert says there are a car drives by and remember a car It's seen them on the side of the road. Yeah, this couple They did it at that so they had said that the the dome light was on the passenger side of door was open

And Robert says that he remembers a car coming by late in night and says he was scared So he pushed the seatboard and got out of the car and left the door open So that's it explained that And then just every detail he is matching and explaining Perfectly got it's like it's horrifying, but it's also insanely satisfying but wait oh fuck

Sorry, no, come on. Is anything ever really satisfying as I guess not never

And then the people had reported that the man had no jacket when he came out of the woods when they saw him right and And in one of the statements Robert said that he'd taken his jacket off to like carry, you know

“It's a carry the body because he was sweating and stuff probably so that's why he left his jacket behind”

That they drove off He didn't get his jacket Then they go back home Robert says he holds a work light while the man washes a trunk of the car using the supplies and then he goes to bed And four days later Dana's body is found

So Robert at this point as an adult tells police that he thinks his father's car the one that was used in the Abduction is buried and on a former property that belonged to his dad and I was like, what the fuck? But apparently people bury their fucking cars in their backyard. Yeah, that's the thing. That's the thing okay When you live out in the country you don't want like you're you're not gonna You're not gonna take it anywhere. Why but well I mean like it's just like a thing where it's like just go put it out there

either because there's tons of room Yeah, like it may be a cost money to tow Yeah, so whatever something is your thing is just get out there with some manual labor and get rid of it

You know if you live way out. Yeah, like it when you're kind of like way out in the in the boondock

“Yeah, there's it's everything is a big painting ass and takes like yeah you'd have to drive it into the”

Junkyard for 45 minutes or whatever. This is what happens when you grow up in suburbia. You just don't know the fucking country things Ask me anything about country life. You're a horse person. I didn't even have the opportunity. I didn't even meet a horse So it wasn't miserable. I wish I was a horse person. I was like I was like the person who didn't have the right boots Like there's horse people that's like the acrossroon that's like rich people. Yeah, we were like the bear back Yeah, 70s children that were like we're probably gonna get that bucked off pretty soon. Really the kids with arm cast and shit

That's huge. I love it

Okay, blah blah blah blah. Cars buried okay, so after a 16 month investigation into Robert story

The RCMP refused to try to retrieve the vehicle and they also dismissed Robert story completely Saying it didn't match the known facts of the case. Oh, I disagree

“They said quote the vast differences between the known hard facts of the case in this person's account cannot be overstated”

So they think Hold on let me read this to you. Okay, but I will tell you that they did Tell Robert that they found enough evidence to corroborate his claims of sexual abuse against the bad man He's identified as Thomas Kerry who was actually arrested and convicted of sexually abusing children in the 90s He was a legit fucking pedophile. Yeah, yeah, and he served time, but he's now free which is fun. Whoa

In Newfoundland. Yeah, in a different city. Oh, yeah, so but as far as the student murdering Dana They believe that Robert read about the case and became a victim of false memory syndrome Where person believes the memory to be true and his And colors are whole life and they believe everything so they think that he just read so much about it because the stuff he read the stuff that he knew was stuff you could read about in the papers. Oh, so he

Basically got super into the case and then his memories began to fill in right what he read

“Right, and maybe he was an alcoholic and didn't remember doing all this stuff and it is true”

They talked to his dad and his dad like coerberates that the man who the guy was and that he was around and that he'd probably Most of his kids also that in the first couple weeks of the investigation They did come and take a look at his car because they were checking everyone's car that was similar So maybe he had a memory of that somehow So they don't believe it's true, but a huge big group of civilians

Do believe that they have a Facebook group and there's like 10,000 people on it. Oh, amazing and they believe Robert's story

And so in May 22 and no, you could be one of them in May 2016 They collect enough money to evacuate the car evacuate excavate. Yep Evacuated from the ground. I mean same idea. Yes, it is. Yeah, just go kind of going up different direction. Yeah up and out of dirt. Right Money to excavate the car. It says excavate But before it was completed, so these fucking poor people are like we believe that we're gonna do a justice for Dana

Like all they want is for Dana's murder to be solved because it's such a small town and like fucked everyone up so much Yeah, so they're doing it and then while they're doing it before it's completed the fucking RCMP is like Hey, guess what you guys we retested some old DNA from the case with advanced technologies and we're able to connect the DNA to an unknown male suspect So it's not that fucking dude It's just some it's not one of the suspects we have right now. It's just an unknown not they they have to test it against the suspects

But it's not a man not in the data in the system. Whoa, so those poor people are like shit and then they like yeah That seems a little mean I want to believe in the world Canadian mounted police. Yeah, we all do they have such great chance But I don't like this. I know I don't like I don't like this. I know we haven't we independently check the DNA us in the podlock. Oh, I've got my spinning yeah my spinning thing

How about in the DNA love we make this into DNA love We sealed this all seal it off no cat's allowed we get those Like hazmat suit yeah, we handle things yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll do it Um, and they so they tested the DNA against Thomas Kerry no match. He's officially rolled out as a suspect But there are also other cases of missing and murdered women in the area around that time that might be connected to Dana in fact

And that one of them is due to be released from prison, but he wouldn't tell them who it was. Oh shit. Guess what That's but so they have Tell me more please. I know

“They still receive many new tips, but for now all they can do is test the DNA against their hundreds of suspects in the hopes”

Finally finding Dana Bradley's killer. Wow. That's the murder of Dana Bradley. It's so

Intense it I feel like you'd said the perfect detail at the beginning that hooked me in in this worst way Those brothers seeing her hitchhiking and thinking she was too little yeah, just set that tone of like She's a baby. She's a baby and she yeah, and that happens. I know we read these stories all the time and we get like the more I do these stories And you see this repetitive the habit of calling people prostitutes and hookers and

Basically like they're so especially and you know the hell such things like that they it's leads with This prostitute prostitute she's a prostitute and dismissive and totally reductive and it's like

They should it should be like she looked like she was 12. Yeah, it's that but also like saying she was 14

You think of her a little more a little older like at 14 I had gotten into some shit. Yeah, but then you look at an actual 14 year old and every day normal 14 year old was especially back in the fucking 70s and 80s. Oh, and they were little babies. They're little babies and even I mean like what they look like is When I went home um for the holidays I remember Sitting my sister and I laughed about this remember the guy that was running

For something in the south and he was the one that had been kicked out of the mall for her rassing teenage Oh, yeah, and it was that whole thing where people started talking about like it's fine and you know Yeah, down here people can you're allowed to date 16 year old that weird shit When we went home my sister and I were sitting at Christmas and

“One of my my two nieces were there one of them had just gone off the college and one I believe was a freshman”

Mm-hmm, and I was like would you want yeah Anna to be dating that got like Would you really go online and be like it's fine that my niece dates? That yeah like Teenage girls are the such a fetish eyes kind of like You know sexualized and like overly matured Yeah, where it's like oh, yeah hot teenage girl whatever where it's like

No, they're children. They had no life experience. Yeah, they don't know had a live You know make good decisions yet and be on their own and they're not they're not adults their brains aren't fucking complete and they're They're still half children. Yeah. Like that's the thing to remember it kind of fucked me up when I so you know

“I did a lot of shit and I was 13 and 14 and then when I was in my 20s I was with a guy for a long time”

My boyfriend who had a daughter who was Ten when I met him and then so I was with him for a few years and saw her at 13 and 14 and it kind of hit me as like Seeing her and have sweet and young and Innocent she was yeah, I thought I was a big adult back then of course, and it kind of put everything into perspective of what I had done and what had been done to me back then yeah, so like I mean it's just

Yeah, it's troubling. It's heavy shit, but it it's um yeah, yeah, yeah Try to be as young as you can for as long as you can do it. It's not Grow you grow up inevitably. It's gonna happen. It's a real bummer and kids don't ever listen when you say stuff like that Kids listen to the stop listening to this. Yeah, we've met a couple. It's true. Oh Little baby children girls that come up. I know

Always with their mothers always with their mothers. Listen to your mothers

And we're back do you have any updates? No, and I mean I looked it up just to see if there's any little speck of an update You know they have the DNA There's nothing and it's nothing. I feel like this has got to be one of those ones where it's like in the next year too We're gonna hear something. We have to it's a 14-year-old girl who was brutally murdered like 40 years ago

Like let's get this solved so yeah, not yet, but maybe well the way that it seems like cold case teams are being put together these days Yeah, I feel like that's part of the story every time we hear about something getting cleared It's because they had just put a task force together or

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“So all right here's the I don't know this is the end of the show where we do say nice things”

It doesn't have to have a name right? It doesn't have to have a name, but we've been getting suggestions in a way that is in it's endearing and it's also Hello, yes people are trying and they're trying it away that makes me real makes me feel better that there is no fucking proper name for this We're trying so hard and none of them are working well, you know, why because People you know it's the thing it should it be funny to shoot a punch should be sincere. Yeah, we

Think I took a picture of one that I liked. Oh, you have the list Steven made a list. He's made a list There you take it I didn't know as I love stuff like this. So I'm gonna read in you can tell me can you just say yes or no, I thought you're ahead Kathy suggested happy talk

Okay, Megan suggested Rejuvenation station Oh, they're right things make me believe a giant and immediately

“Rejuvenation station. No, would you get time to beat up in the stir-up? Yeah, isn't that plastic surgery?”

Aginald Rejuvenation right? That's my favorite comedy line that ever wrote or not ever but like it was one of the earliest ones

When Zach Alphineck has had his talk show late world was Zach on VH1. Yeah, my second lady forgot about that right

It was my second stuff right. Oh my god and Sarah Silverman They did a tape piece where Sarah went to a vaginal plastic surgeon to interview him and I wrote it and one of the I mean she of course she rift a ton of shit herself of course, but One of the things I wrote her to say that she delivered so perfectly and it was my favorite thing is After a day of rejuvenating vaginas

How can you believe in love And it's the way she did I that wording probably isn't right on but the way she did it she had this big smile on it The guy just tears and her like he has no idea that's my brag Can figure out any way to talk about myself have you noticed that yeah, but they're I get sorry at least God, I'm so sick of my own boy

Nick suggested cheerful chasers. No. Sorry Nick and I see Anna and Jerry Suggested my favorite moment. Okay. That's okay. I mean that's smart they're marketing experts probably Yeah, they're like keeping on brand. Yeah, but I don't want to say that every week Yeah Elizabeth said my favorite party vibes and she had a you in it. So she's from somewhere else Nice Canada or England Molly said put a pin in it

Like a hill hill amongst her said post-mortem positivity That's good

Andrea's going for a Andrea's a mom Entered to some high kicks. Yeah Jenny with an eye said post-pod pick me up And then to go along with that illiteration Taurus says positivity pocket Impossal hilarious Colette says suggested my current jam. Okay. I don't mind it Sarah says

We should call it fucking hooray I think that's it. I mean that's

“I think Steven put that at the end because he knew that we like it the button you make up a jingle Karen am I right for”

Oh, it's fucking hooray there Yes, he came out of me. That's beautiful. That was my favorite. Was it? Yeah, that's my favorite one fucking race. I mean that's perfect. It's pretty net. It pretty nailed it. All right. What can hooray it is? Who did it? What's her name again? That was Sarah with an ace Sarah with an H Graduates I mean you win but Megan Rejuvenation Station. Yeah, you're right there the closest of seconds

So what again the vagina part. It's not your problem. It's not your fault. This was a if this was purely a feminism podcast That would win What is your fucking hooray? Want me to go first? Yeah, do you have one mine is that I someone suggested I start reading this again And I'm so glad I did because it's so positive It's tiny beautiful things. It's the deer sugar book by Cheryl Strayed who wrote wild. She was this

anonymous

“advice columnist for years and it the book is a like a”

What's it called compilation of like some of her best but it tells the story. It's so beautiful. She's so incredible The way she talks to people who are going through this traumatic crazy shit is so real in human

Yeah, and even if it's problems that you've never gone through

Which most of them are what you can relate to in some way It's a really great advice and really great lifeless and I it's I can't recommend it enough tiny beautiful things So tiny beautiful things is another advice book. Yeah. It's the deer sugar book Oh, okay. Yeah. Is it red? I it's orange. Yeah orange Is that it? Do you have it? Yes, okay. Yes. I did realize that was the title. Yeah, it's called tiny beautiful things

It's the deer sugar book by Cheryl Strayed. I've also read it Amazing. It's really smart. It's like advice in that way like I used to like when I used to read L and I don't It's pretty deer E gene. Yeah, and like sometimes her advice was great and really direct and you know badass, but then also sometimes it was like I don't I'm not with this yeah like this Take on life because everybody's different. Sure. Whatever

I'm with that shit that that deer sugar well she knows what you do which is Takes every question as a chance to talk about herself and her life

It's really somehow blocking turns it into this incredible

In this incredible way to relate to the person and then and then also empathize with them so incredibly hard Yeah, it's just it's obviously this the person who wrote it deer sugar is just so she's so She's so human and so about it. It's awful. It's really a beautiful book and you'll and you'll you'll grow and heal from it You're so yeah, I mean, yeah, okay. That's a good one. That's my hooray fucking hooray I'm fucking hooray. I'm not works that title really works

I mine is a little weird, but I'm finding I got this book on tape. I just haven't been feeling good about myself in a just physically way and just haven't been active and I know that the like moving around immediately makes me feel better And the less I do it the less I want to do it. Totally and it just you know I've been complaining to you privately about this for quite some time. It's our life

So there is I just looked started looking randomly. It was like what should I do? I need to do something right now

I'm like a listen to a podcast so I first I found a podcast called half-size me

Which is a hosted by a woman who is doing that thing where she's standing in one leg of the pants she used to wear and she is I don't have the Steam and leave find her name for me just so I can say it, but it's such a great podcast. She talks to people who Basically listen to the podcast and lost weight and and they just talk about how they did it what they did like what's effective and she is really positive really like I just love it if there's so many ways to do

“that kind of talking incorrectly and fitness or like you know what you need to do is she's”

right again or whatever where it's like but if you don't understand the feeling of having 4680 extra pounds on your body you just don't know like there are people that give advice that have no idea

is just talking other people that how they did it that's incredible so because it's different for every single person it's different for everybody and it's really helpful to just hear real people are like yeah

“yeah that's what I was like too and I like it's harder to say it's harder to be like I can't do that”

when someone's like but I did it right exactly because when you're sitting at home alone you're like there's just no way to forget it it's the easiest thing to do yeah but when you're listening to

people are like yeah I thought it was impossible but here's what inspired me this day this day

more than you're um your goal is to be on the podcast exactly no it really is because Oswait her name is Heather Robertson thanks Steven cool that's Heather Robertson half-size me but but the actually so that's how I found this book okay because she recommends that everybody that's going to like get into that whole thing read this book first okay the book is called the diet fix and it's by a doctor named Yoni Friedhof and he is I think I believe he's Canadian

it's basically the book you read when you have read every fucking diet book you've tried every diet and you now don't know what to do because you have too much information and he calls people traumatized

“dieters and he's bit the ideas you have to stop dieting you have to stop restricting you have to”

stop being mean to yourself and beating yourself up and you have to start looking at all all of it like how are you going to do it in the positive way radical self-accepting we were being sarcastic but that's totally what it is and it just like I am the quickest at restarting to listen to something and being like bullshit and you're full bullshit and goodbye and well you know what you know what opening yourself up to and letting and trying it is just vulnerability because I'm also

reading fucking daring greatly yeah Brine Brown Brine Brown Brine Brown this is the self-help corner I mean there's I here's a thing when you actually find for I've read a million self-help books so like that's why when I read Brine Brown's books I was like holy shit this is real because it isn't the usual you know the patterns and you know that talk and you know they're like you've just got to believe in yourself wherever it's like that's not going to help me get off the couch

what is like how do I get inspired right and this the Diet Fix book un-un-unclench something in my brain oh that's the way that just kind of made me go like yeah well I'll just make little changes

and just start awesome little changes that's that's a big part of it right like because you're always

like I'm gonna stop dealing this entire life thing I mean how many times on the road was I like just I mean I would just turn to Georgia and be like I'm just not gonna eat macaroni cheese at 11 o'clock anymore and then Vince would be like so we got to order dinner for after the show and I be like go I'll go ahead and get some mac and she's like like is a thing of when I don't know things are stressful things things are busy and you just want your guaranteed comfort yeah you

just it's like if you don't know where else to get it then you just go to the same well every time

“yeah and then that's how like any talks about this and that Diet Fix book where you if”

dieting worked everybody would be fantastic and you beat yourself up for not being able to do a thing that no one can do yeah because even like I've gone on things where I don't eat sugar for two years you can do that but you can't sustain it because you're not living happily then you can't continue to live that way and so the goal is to figure out how to live happily without abusing yourself with food yeah that's all so it's I mean I hate to talk about stuff like this

I will say this I am and you you'd you'd be exactly the way you want to be just feel good right I'm talking about this right now because I don't yeah not not it's not about you're at the wrong size it's I don't feel good in my body right here you're right being uncomfortable and being uncomfortable makes me mad at myself and I mean to myself yeah so like the idea that I'm listening to a thing that's going yeah the whole it's not figure out a new way to be mean you mean to yourself

yeah it's going no stop all clear all the meanness out yeah and start over and here's how you do it what's the calling in the book the diet fix by Yoni Friedhoff um and that the only reason I knew about is because Heather and her um half-sized me podcast we're just a delight to listen to it's like two ladies laughing about the way it's been and then the way it is now and listen I love it it's very cool it's awesome but but also do what you want that was fucking array

okay we're back and this is the first time that fucking hooray is used which is this is

also tiny beautiful things the book I was reading was adapted into a hulu limited series

“starring the great Katherine Hawn which premiered in April of 2023 I love Katherine Hawn so much”

I know so delightful every time I see her the things she's wearing makes me crazy with jealousy and the way her hair looks makes me crazy with jealousy she's a cool girl yeah she's so cool but it's like her look is it yeah when I do that it just looks like I let my hair air dry and I didn't put any product in it so irritating yeah we we love you Katherine Hawn we love you Katherine Hawn so originally we titled this episode civic order not one of our best no not very funny

but if we were naming it today maybe we could call it the numbing shit or sure although we

don't use first words a lot in our in our title stewing not in a title now don't not see

with strangers is hilarious so really good advice we talked about Frank Frank Solano of course and of course rejuvenation station that's a listener submitted segment that needs to be celebrated that needs its own spin-off podcast all right well that's this week's episode of the rewind let's go say goodbye from 2018 thanks Sarah right now I really like feel like saying fucking hooray yeah um cool things for listening you guys you know you're the best we love you

and stay sexy and don't get murdered yeah I hope it's going to look like a gold door opening

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