Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 94: Go Get Your Thing

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(upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Hello. - Hello. - And welcome to rewind with Karen and Georgia. This is a show where we recap our early episodes

with case updates and hot take revisions and all the unlocked memories that we can master. Today we're rewinding to episode 94, which we named, "Go Get Your Thing." And this episode originally came out November 9th, 2017.

All right, let's listen to the intro of episode 94. (upbeat music) - Hi, and welcome to my favorite murder. The apartment version. - Yeah.

- God forbid, we ever do wanna be. (laughs) - God, it's been so long, it feels like. - I know. - Doing like a regular episode.

- You know what, I feel like we've discovered in touring this great nation of ours? - How many? - It's difficult to tour this great nation of ours and then come back and immediately start recording podcasts.

That's not an easy balance to strike. - It isn't. It's a huge difference. I think I'm more used to live shows now than I am to this sitting on my couch,

talking to each other. - Yeah. And it's also, that we have to do a bunch of work to do those live shows. And then when we come back,

we have to do a bunch of work to do this version of the show. - Yeah. - Complain, complain, complain. - I mean, you just gotta wonder, you know. It's so true.

- You just have to wonder, it's such a good point. - And wait and look and learn. - Look, learn, listen and again wonder at the end and then at the end of the day, you're just left wondering. - You're, you book in the day wondering and wondering.

- Yeah. - But hopefully with like a child like sense of wonder. - Yeah, I think that's. And definitely, while you watch them wonder years, I think that's important.

Definitely, you have to do that.

“You have to have Kevin Arnold narrating your life.”

- Please, did I ever brag to you about the time that Fred Savage directed that TV show I was working on? - No. - And he, I was so star-struck by him. And because he is Kevin Arnold's just like,

that's who that person is. - Well, he always be. And he looks, it's like, it's a grown-up Kevin Arnold. It's not an actor who's like, oh yeah, it's fucking. - It's not a version of Kevin Arnold, it's Kevin Arnold.

And he sounds exactly the same. And he looks the same. And he couldn't be a nicer, more talented, and more professional person. So he's the guy in person.

And this is very rare in Hollywood. Where he's talking to somebody else and you're standing there, he'll turn and include you in the conversation.

Which the first time he did that

because it was the on two brokerals and I was working with Pat Wells. So he and Pat Wells are good friends. So I have, and you're standing there. So then he just like turned.

And it was like the bright shining light of Kevin Arnold was suddenly coming back my way. It was very upsetting. And I think I just made a face and walked away.

- Yeah.

- Anyway, I would have been to, I would be.

I will be, I'm gonna be positive. When I meet him one day. - Yep. - And I would, and I would, and I will. - And you would, and you will.

And I bet you he's used to it because it's one of those things of like, there's a, there's a generation of people that he talked directly to the hotel once a week. - Totally.

- It's a good time. - Crazy shit. - This is the wonderment we're talking about. - Yes, exactly. I finished mine hunter today.

- Mm-hmm. - Finally. - And what's your end of him, Ian? - My end, my end game is that I just want it to be a show about the guy who plays that camper.

I just want to watch that camper, the ad camper character. - Yes. - Live and love in prison. (laughing)

- I just love the amazing show.

- I just love that guy, the guy who plays him is fucking pitch perfect.

“What if he weren't pitch perfect for, is that for you?”

- What if he can sing a capella? - Oh my god, group ensemble bullshit. - Go back to college. - He's like, I'm going back to college. - Yes, I want to kill all the women around.

- Yes. - But listen to my angelic voice. - Maybe he starts an a capella thing in prison. - Yes. - For his everyone together.

- And that's how he begins to compete in the pitch perfect universe. And that's how he begins to heal. - And that's fucking psychopathic murder or a piece of shit. - And he finally proves wrong all the theories

that you cannot care a psychopath. - Right. - Because you actually can care a psychopath with a capella singing. - And politics.

- If you can without any music with your friends, - Uh-huh. - Sing boys to men. - Well. - Oh my god.

- You're cured. - You're a human. - There's hope for all of us. - All of us psychopaths. - So then three stars, five stars.

- Oh, I just, you know, you know me. I'm such a, I'm such a complainer. I liked so much about it. I liked a lot about it.

“- Four stars, three and a half stars, four stars.”

- Okay. - Which, how many out of how many, 12? (laughing) - No, an infinite amount of stars. - So it could be three.

- Shit. - We don't know. - But four out of infinite is still very low. - Yeah. I don't know.

- Yeah. - I'd like to remind you of the wall that had a rainbow painted on it in an apartment that was just presented as like here's an apartment and this is how it's decorated.

- When? - When the Dr. Wendy, what's her name was getting in a new apartment and kind of like starting her new life and the real estate agent was like walking around that apartment they walk into a room

and there's just like really gross colored, four colored rainbow painted on a wall. - There was like a Z, yeah. - I stopped and took a picture of that screen with my phone. - Oh my God.

- So good. - It's so good. - I just want to say that the new season of someone know something came out this week. - That's right.

- And if they fucking just threw them all up at once which is like fun because then you're like, you can binge go buy it. - You can buy it forever. I'm gonna listen to it.

And it's a, I started listening. It's really good of course. And it's about two black teenagers in 1964 who were killed by the Clucquex clan in Mississippi and he's fucking going back to investigate it.

- Holy shit.

“- Which is bananas insane and so important”

and like fucking kudos to people to podcast like someone knows something and the fall line who are doing important, important work. - Yes. - Unfortunately still fucking relevant to shit.

- Hell yeah, maybe more so. - Yeah. - Well also those guys, I mean I actually don't know about the women who do fall line but the guy from someone knows something

as a legit journalist. - Yeah, yeah. - He's a, that's kind of what he does. - Right. - So don't feel too bad. - Oh, that I, oh I know, I know that I have nothing.

I can't come near that rainbow and touch it with my, do anything important. - You could have you painted on your wall in a sea. - And then they say, can we talk about

that someone from when we were in Florida last weekend doing our live shows? Where there was also an active serial killer? - Yeah. - Well we were there.

Someone gave us a board game of guess who the game made into serial killers form. And it is fucking so cool I want to cry. - Yeah. - It's on our Instagram.

- I've never actually seen anything but the side

of this game because the second this girl pulled that this game, Georgia class don't do it and never letting know. - I didn't even ask. - I hate it. - One point I was like, hey we should put in your like

a hug like it was just like your baby. - But I have to say I'm too old for I didn't play that game. - But you've probably played it with me, so nephew or whatever, I've never played that game. - Well we're gonna play and you're gonna love it.

- I can't wait to play. - I know about it. - Yeah. Go to my favorite murder Instagram to see photos of it. It's all the characters that it's like,

does your character wear glasses? Does your character eat the flesh of his victims? - It's like it's just this lip lip. - Yeah. Always offer the fish.

- Oh, you know it's just like,

is your character like a murdery clown? - No. - But him down, it's just the best. - It's so good and it clearly this girl put in so much work. - Yeah.

- It's just great.

“And so I think that we should play one game”

before every time you record from now on. - Okay, it's not a great, I just thought of that. - That's great and then we'll keep a running tally. - Yeah. - And then at the end, whoever wins the most games

gets $50,000 at the end of what? At the end of this vlog, that's for fun. - It's just got real sad. - At the end of our life. - Oh god.

- And it went on forever and they just wouldn't stop talking about it. I mean, they just kept talking about it. I would like to say this. We, I believe it was last week, put up our ring time. - Oh yeah.

- And I think Steven immediately was number one. - Yeah, it was somebody on the Facebook posted it. Originally and was like within 24 hours, was number one. - It was number one on the iTunes ringtone chart, which was fucking hilarious.

- No, and also billboard, did I tell you? Billboard awards. - What? - I don't even know. - I don't even know what it would be.

- What? What else would it be number one? - I don't know. - But I was just gonna say, and then immediately, there was a copycat, like Marimba version, right?

So I text, we're in Florida, and I text, Steven, I'm like, hey, what is that? Did you do that, Steven?

But of course, you always forget that through a text.

It doesn't sound like that, right? - So probably sounded like, did you do that? - Steven, did you do that? - And Steven was like, it is not me. (laughing)

- No, I would not really sad, where I'm like, that was not a funny joke. But, because Steven has written his own version of it, we already have somebody to do versions of it. - Yeah.

- We don't need other strangers who are doing, or just basically do that to all. - It's probably a robot who's working for the fucking Russian government, man. Listen, I'm gonna get deep into conspiracy right now,

and there's fucking stealing podcasts, songs written by Karen in the 20 minutes on her fucking acoustic guitar. - This feeling, it is worse. So what we were like, so Steven's going to vote. People have actually tweeted about this

and asked a lot about it when he's saving to post his versions. So we were like, Steven, you now need to post your version, so that if anybody isn't into the image, and they're like, hey, what about,

what about some salsa aspect, or whatever? - Is that a salsa? - I'm not sure.

“- Can I get one that's influenced by the music of Selena?”

- Well, yes, you can. - Actually, yes, you can. - And yes, you can, it's written by one, Steven. - Real, yeah. - Ray, did you not know about his confirmation name?

- I'm telling you, you just read out. (laughing) - So Steven's gonna post his, say it. - Yeah, I'm gonna post mine. The boss and over one,

because the people have been asking about this. - Yeah, the boss and over one's legit. You can listen, you can download them, they can be a ringtone for your grandma, or they can be your alarm clock ring in the morning.

- The boss and over, that's, you're exactly right. If you are shamed to have a kind of like a bizarre pseudo-country murder ballad, you can do a version of it that's just gonna sound like just some fun and are special.

And Marimba, music, whatever. I just keep changing the style. - I mean, the Marimba one would be good too. - Do you have that too? - Well, now I think the bootleg was copying that

because Marimba, which I used to unbox it. (screaming) - Fuck you, Putin, somebody, Putin went after Steven's app. - No, not after Steven, not us. - Yeah, that's right.

- So good mad. - I think that made us even angrier. - Yeah. - 'Cause you don't go after Steven. - Yeah, we can fight.

- I do. - I do. - I get to. - Yes, but Russians don't get it. - No, no, no, no.

- So anyway, if you want that, when you can do it, Steven, and when's it gonna be up? - Hopefully, maybe, I don't know if it'll be up by. - This weekend's great.

- This weekend, yes. - Soon, so hold out if you want a version, hold out for Steven's version. Please don't support the weird rip off version. - No, I'm gonna be able to--

- It's a weird. - But they don't let people don't know. - People don't know. - I don't know. - Everyone's trying to make a buck.

- Tell me about it. - Right. - Speaking of, we have tickets left for our Kansas City show. - Nice, friends, thank you.

“- So they're still available if you want to say,”

do you want to drive in from Minneapolis? - You know, maybe you're free that weekend. - I don't know. - Karen's offering options. Give them a brunch option.

For Sunday morning, Karen. - If say, for example, you come in for the late show. - You're totally free to stay for brunch the next day. - Hey, and in that city, have a nice brunch. - God, that'd be nice for you.

- You love coffee. - You love orange juice.

- You always talk about coffee and orange juice.

- It's an excuse to eat a Monte Cristo sandwich. - Yes. - Which my mom would always be like, "Oh, well, we are at brunch. "I'm gonna get a Monte Cristo, which is a full-on deep-fried

"Ham sandwich with jelly in it."

it's like eating French toast, ham,

and toast with jelly all the same time. - Ah, don't eat them separately. - Yeah. - And privately.

“- There are many croissants of private sandwich.”

- That's for the dark. (laughing) That's for the dark. - Mm-hmm. - Have you watched anything lately?

'Cause I got one. Tell me. - Alias Grace. - No. - The burger that would one.

- What's that? - The burger that would-- - Yeah. - Which one? - Yeah. - No, I haven't watched it's a great.

- I loved it. I did that thing though where I was binge-watching it, so I would follow, follow, follow, follow, follow. - And then I have weird alias Grace Dreams. And then be like, was that the episode

or was I sleeping? - Was there a giant frog? - Yeah. - In it? - I don't know.

- And you won't either, 'cause no spoiler alerts, but I mean, spoilers, but I loved it. I thought super fascinating, and it's really well-made. Yeah, I recommend. - Okay.

- I have one thing that I've been watching,

“but I'm gonna save it for my thing that I love”

at the end of the show. - Okay. - 'Cause it's weird. - Perhaps I should've done the same. (laughing)

- Save it, save that. - Save it, cut it. - Okay. - Um, is that everything? - I think so.

- Any corrections corner? I have a correction corner in that fact that people got upset with me that I said that putting your animal on, pros act was very LA, like Hollywood,

and I'm like, "I live in fucking, "I don't know, Florida, and my cats on pros act." Like, people were specifically telling me, that, you know, which I appreciate. - Should do you?

(laughing) - Sounds like no, I know, what I got, but I got it. - There was a couple people in the VIP when we were in Florida. Thank you, by the way.

I have to say, we have the best time in Florida. - Yeah, we have a camp up Orlando, Fort Lauderdale, and everyone there was like, "Thanks for coming to Florida." Like, we're doing everybody a big favor,

and we had the shows were amazing.

- So much fun. - Audiences were amazing. - Yeah. - So good. We had the best time, and you guys get,

you guys get a bum wrap, what with all the, like, people eating each other's face and murder, which is what we came for. - Yes. - So we were, we were not surprised.

(sizzling) - Okay, we're back. - A lot of early, my favorite murder lore that I just, like, completely forgot about. Like, what, like, Cameron Britten from fucking,

- Oh, yeah. - Mine Hunter, who later came and did our LA show, a really live show at fucking Microsoft Theater. - So exciting. - So exciting.

- Yeah. - What a great example of what it's been like to be two people who were just regular people who watched TV and like a thing. - Yeah.

- And suddenly are like, now the thing we like, here he is, or it's just like that kind of progress of like, yeah. The armchair, quarterbacks, who suddenly are now in the game. - It's crazy.

- Crazy time of life that was for us.

Like those like first three years of the podcast

were such a whiplash. And like, you know, someone knows something

“being a fucking podcast that we loved, remember that?”

It just seems like, - Me working on two brokers and being like, "Oh, hey, I forgot something to talk to you." He was like, "How the fuck?" I mean, I didn't really write.

I did my best on that show, but I didn't participate that much, but it still was really stressful to have a job like that. - Yeah, no she's seen. - Yeah, I bet.

And now you only have four and a half jobs. (laughs) - I mean, maybe it just broke me early in a way that then worked really well for what was coming.

- Sure. Well, Mimi is still not on Prozac for thing, but she doesn't get me. - She wouldn't take it. She was like, "I like the way I am."

And I'm like, "You know what? "Then that's good." And that's fine. And she's thriving, I would say. Mimi is so 2026 that 2017 didn't make a lot of sense

to her, where she's just like, "It's called My Dulu. "I get to like it at whimsy." She's like going like this and you ate, she was so ahead of us.

- Yeah, she does what I do to my therapist when I'm scared of all these things. And then it's like, "But I'm not wrong." That's the problem. I'm not talking about dragons.

I'm talking about serial killers. Like they fucking exist. - Yes. - And I read about them all the time. - So, you know what's funny?

I just, Pat and Oswald was on Neil Brennan's podcast. And Pat and was talking about how like we all obeyed attention to serial killers. But the irony is that the really bad people are the ones you know and the ones that are close

and the ones in government and the ones like, we are afraid of the anomaly and the outlier and focusing on that because we're surrounded. - Right, I mean, I think for him, he was talking about kind of a different thing

but as I watched him say it, I was like, "That's totally true, but for women." It's because we need to run scenarios because it's very, very real. Whereas for men going like,

it's crazy that we're scared of serial killers and it's like, "No, it's not." - Yeah, no, it's not, yeah, like we, I mean, I was like watching other day where I was like a woman who was ready to react

and I'm like, "Oh, she's been conditioned to do that since she was a child." - Yes. - But the man hasn't been conditioned not to fucking make a woman uncomfortable

his entire life and maybe have that fucking happen. First, we wouldn't have to have our fucking drained of dreamals and constantly be on guard

“and be more afraid to be with a man than a bear, you know?”

- And in the second you say, bear not man, they're like, "Fuck you, bitch, I'm gonna kill you." And there's a bunch of them right outside your apartment door. - Yeah. - I mean, I feel like, and I'm sorry to say

the phrase now more than ever. But I mean, now is opposed to ever before people are all getting on the same page.

So it's like, there's certain people who will just never get

on that page 'cause they're like, "No, that's whatever." But I think that the thing that used to really bother me was when there would be that really overt sexism or that really overt almost threatening vibe and dude, you knew did nothing or said nothing.

So I think it's like nowadays at least the cultural norm is becoming, "Oh, are you not gonna say anything?" - Right. - And you're coward. My girlfriend will come and help me out of this situation and we'll just continue confirming these things

that we believe. - Like, bro, if you haven't shamed your friend for saying not all men and explain to him why this is the most fucking upsetting thing you could say. Like, tell him, if you don't, if you don't believe that,

tell him why it's, I mean, it's just like your basic fucking job. - Basic shit, if your friend calls women females and talks about their value. - Oh. - But high value men, high value women, blah, blah, blah, that's the craziest,

craziest thing where it sounds like a bunch of 12-year-old boys

gotten to a room, never got out of that room

and somehow got a microphone to the world and now people are like, "Yeah, female, you're not high value." It's like, "That's right, my God." - Get the fuck away from me. - It means so much to me in the stay and age.

I am rich because my husband doesn't get offended in the least when I say I'm so fucking sick of men when we're watching any kind of true crime thing. He's like, "Yep, so true." - Like, not you, of course.

And he's like, "I didn't think you were talking about me." - 'Cause like, 'cause he knows the difference. - Yeah. - It's like, I saw,

“I remember seeing like something on the internet”

and it was like a guy carrying a woman 'cause there had been floods recently and they're like, "This is not toxic masculinity." It's like, correct. - It's not. - That's not, it's a very specific thing.

- Sorry, we have to be, oh my God, congratulations. Like, what the fuck? - Our point is not men doing things as toxic masculinity. It's the bad things they do and then get coverage for

or never go to jail for or lie about or write.

- Now we're just screaming, I don't know. - Well, let's get into your story then 'cause it's about bad things. So we're gonna stay on that fucking topic anyways. - Good plan. - This one's crazy and like an infamous cold case.

Yeah, you cover of all things. And when we come back, he'll tell us if it solves. - The hypocrisy. - Yeah. - All right, let's get into Karen's story

about the bloody benders. (upbeat music) - Do you remember when Diana Ross, double-tap little Kim's boobs at the VMA? Oh, what went kind, hey, said that George Bush

didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking.

“What the hell does George Bush got to do a little Kim?”

Well, you can find out on the lookback at a podcast. - I'm Sam J. and I'm Alex English. - Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how he survived it.

- Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the eighties. - To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just 'cause of crack. (laughing) - I'm down to talk about crack or date, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

- No, we're not putting it. - Just so you all know. - I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through-line.

- We also have eights on the table, okay, now so. (laughing) Are you fishing as sensitive? (laughing) Yes, I don't think there's a more important year

for black people, really, yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. - Listen to look back at it on the Ihard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

- Your husband is not who you think he is. Your body is not what you saw it was. Your identity is formed by a secret history. I'm Danny Shapiro, and these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring

the 14th season of Family Secrets. - And just then we felt the plane turned in the air. So much so that the bags are under people's seats just kind of flew into the aisle. - Each week, we don't have head first

into the complex power of secrecy. How it shapes our identities and relationships, and how it ultimately can reveal to us our trueest selves. - My daughter, she's pretending she doesn't know

but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive as I wasn't eating anything. And me pretending like everything was fine. - He kind of showed me out of the way and said move and he went help the front door and he jumped in a car

- Listen to season 14 of Family Secrets.

On the Ihard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. - May is mental health awareness month. And your 20s, they can feel like a lot. On the psychology of your 20s podcast,

“we unpack the anxiety, the overthinking,”

the heartbreak, the identity crisis, all of it that comes with being in your 20s. Because if you've ever thought is anybody else feeling this way, they definitely are. - I feel like my 20s was a process

of checking off everything that I was not good at to get to what I was good at. Oftentimes we take everything a little bit too seriously and we get lost in things that we later on decide weren't even important to us to begin.

- When there was a large chunk of my 20s that I was just so wanting to like the out of that phase out of my skin and I just like really regret not living in the present form. - Each week we break down the science behind

what you're going through and give you real tools to navigate it. Your 20s aren't about having it all figured out. They're about understanding yourself just a little bit better.

Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the Ihard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or whatever you get your podcasts. - Now who goes first? - I went first.

I went first and before it went out of the nail, right?

- Okay. - Yeah. - That's you then. - It is. Here's the exciting surprise.

I'm not sure if I've ever done this before. (laughs) - Yeah. - How? - I mean, okay.

- Well it'll be, if you don't know then I won't know. - I can't tell you how many times I've texted Steven Ben, like, sorry, is this, like it goes from like, is Georgia doing this one when we're on the road? - Yeah.

- To then like have we ever done this one? - Well I've done that before I had a look it up because you just see the same name so many times over

“and over and you have to like look for details to remember”

which fucking piece of shit was the murderer that you're talking, like looking for? - Also we talk about things sometimes about doing that, which is what I think I'm remembering on this one.

- Yeah. - But it could be wrong. - I'm excited. Let's just, let just tell me. - Let's do this.

- It's the bloody benders. - Which ones are they? - Tell me why you tell me. - Okay. - Well then that's a very good sign.

- Yeah. - I don't know it's not because I have a terrible memory. - I suck. - Okay go. (laughs)

- What's the one that's just supposed to be my sign? (laughs) - I wish I could be doing better right now but I'm almost positive I haven't. I just know that there's a really good doll up about it

that I've heard. - I have also that thing where all of my memories are starting to just bleed into each other where it's like,

“did I do the podcast myself or did I hear the doll right?”

- Right. - Am I, I don't, that name sounds familiar but I don't think we've done it. - All right, I'll tell you about it. - Tell me about that.

- Let me tell you a little bit about how about. - And I actually at one point today 'cause I had part of it done and called my sister 'cause she wasn't doing anything. I'm like, can you please find me some articles

that I can read in the midst? So this was a real, this was a real 11th hour super special one. But the main spot that I got to me the best information was from an article on a website called Ranker, which I don't think we talked about that much.

- Ranker. - Ranker. - It is, every time there's a Ranker link that article will give me the biggest best chunk of information. - Yep, I, that's my late night reading.

Like, 15 aunties tell you they're my gruesome fucking thing that ever happened to them or I'm like, it's just that it was crazy lists. - Yeah, and they have endless true crime shit and serial killer shit, yeah, endless.

And there's, so the woman that wrote this article is named Cat McCalliff and I'm positive that I've read her stuff on either also on Ranker or on other websites too. So she wrote a couple of these articles

about the bloody vendors. So thank you Cat McCalliff for the all the work you do enabling me to do much, much less work. - Okay, so in 1970, a family of German immigrant home setters, named the vendors, made their way by wagon

to LeBet County, Kansas and settled on a 160 acre farm located directly like on the Osage Trail.

- 100% you've never done this.

- Really? - 100% I thank God, 'cause this is one of my favorites and I've wanted to do it for a long time. And I don't know why I haven't. I guess I just, I just never lost my lost track of it.

We lost track after college. Okay, good, that makes me happy. So first the men went out. So with John senior and the son John junior, they went and they built a barn, they built a cabin, they dug a well.

and then this sister named Kate Dodd or named Kate. - Elvira, Kate Kate. - Kate junior, Kate junior, Kate and Kate junior. Elvira or Kate senior, give you the very similar. They arrived in 1871 and they bought livestock.

They had like a farm. There was an orchard that was on the property.

And so basically the cabin that they built was pretty big.

So it became the Bender Inn. And so the front of the cabin was a general store and like the Inn, and then it was divided by the canvas that they put over their covered wagon. They took it off their covered wagon

and then they put it up to serve as the divider between their private rooms and then the store and the rustic. - You know, you see that on H.C.TV now? - Yes. I'd love to pull down this canvas and just open up this space

so we could see right into the orchard. - The light canvas, can we get that down? - Yeah, I'll box canvas. - Could we cut some circular holes?

“I think circular would be an amazing shape”

to see in this canvas. - Absolutely. - And then of course the light is (laughs) I'd be lovely to see the lights. - I'd love to see the light backlit.

- Yeah. - So I can see the patterns that they're making in the canvas. - Beautiful.

- Okay, so they all basically, they're pitching

and they're like, we're gonna have this place and it's this stop over. So at the time, of course, there were, it's, you know, it's the late mid to late 19th century America. So there's all these, they're moving through the American tribes

and they're telling people you can come settle here and then you can also on your way, you can go out to the West. - Yeah, hey, we own this, this piece of land now, everyone. - Exactly. - Go get your thing, I'm sure there's all kinds of details

that people care about history. - No, I think go get your thing.

“- Go get your thing as sums it up, right?”

- Well, she's exactly. - Go get your things that's a man in charge. And everyone went, thank you. - Yep. - So that they got their thing.

- Yeah, they were like, I found the Civil War, fuck this shit, I'm out of here. I wanna go to California, I wanna get my own thing. - Surf, smoke weed, yep. - So the Osage Trail was one of the ways

people went out to West, went out West. And so the vendors saw that that was an opportunity, they could build this spot and have this, I keep calling it a stopover, there's a better word for it, I don't know what it is.

But basically, they could get provisions there and spend the night or just get their stuff and go, but it would be like this central spot. Also, the daughter Kate claimed to be a psychic and a spiritualist who could talk with the dead.

So the locals that became a word of mouth thing were then the locals were also coming there, just to tell their grandfather, they love them and stuff like, or ask where they hit the Kate to the, to the scene, to the horse, yes, the horse on start, please ask your father.

And I was thinking, why would people travel to go get their palm red or whatever, and it's like, 'cause there's no TV, there's nothing, nothing to do, but fuck, and get your palm red. And then read that old Bible, so one brought

in their wagon with them and also stare at the life's canvas. So this place kind of became a place to be.

“I think of it as the Wendy's on the five.”

Yeah, that's by the split P Anderson. But also, how is attached to a command or gas station and has a subway? Exactly. So if you don't want to do fast food,

some people in the car don't want to eat fast food, right? Ever, but hey, everyone's got then also if you need dummy bears. Yeah, they're all there, yeah. Well, the vendor started that. Okay, so let's attribute it to them.

Okay, that was their thing. That was kind of their jam. Okay, so, uh, ooh, they, okay, I said they'll work there, right? Yeah, okay, I actually wrote the sentence. This was the time of great expansion.

What the fuck? But am I even talking about? I don't know if that's true or not. I know nothing about it. It probably was.

I mean, I think it was generally. And our country, our great nation was growing. It's the Oregon Trail. It was happened with the video again. The Oregon Trail was happening at the time.

People were playing the Oregon Trail in libraries. Yeah, cross the nation. Just in Terry everywhere. You know, don't forget the dawner party was in there somewhere.

Right, go in and get your jelly beans. Go. This is your time to the, yeah, that's Braille, that's Braille. The end. Okay, bye.

Um, uh, D, do, oh, so the thing about this, obviously, here's what I do now

Okay, Charlie.

“Then a lot of, there was obviously tons of immigrants in America as we do.”

So a lot of these travelers had, had, had come off a boat, they'd already been traveling. And they were like, we gotta go get that big chunk of land, the government said we can have or, or however they were going to do it.

They were basically like, get in there and get through.

So they didn't have, you know, maybe they had their immediate family, but that was it. So with people were traveling, they weren't expected back anywhere. No one was like, whoa, you didn't hit your mark. You didn't, you said you were coming on the 20th. And how would you even know?

Call Western Union. Exactly. You send a letter in seven months later. Yes, somehow find someone. Right.

So the, this helped the vendors because the vendors were not what they seemed to be. What did they bloody? They were the bloody, bloody vendors. It might just be one bloody, but, um, well, now it's two. I love to go sit.

“So, um, when people stopped along the way, they tended to disappear when they stayed at the”

vendor end. And a lot of people didn't notice because they were just these people that were passing through. Yeah. But, uh, someone did, uh, notice, want a man named George Long Shei, I'm going to pronounce

it French, but that it could be launcher, but I'm going to say George Long Shei and his infant daughter stopped at the vendor end. Um, they were on their way to Ohio.

They were from Kansas and they never returned home.

And their neighbor, Dr. Henry William Henry York was a prominent doctor and he immediately noticed when they didn't come back when George said he was coming back. And he set out to go find them. Um, but he did the brilliant thing that you always do before you're about to go do something especially by yourself.

You tell a bunch of fucking people what you're doing and where you're going and why. Yeah. You communicate. So, Dr. William Henry York was a prominent doctor. He had a brother, uh, who is a Colonel Colonel Ed York and his other brother Alexander

York was a senator. I show. So, he informed the superstar York brothers. He was like, "Hey, I want to try to go find my neighbor something weird as hot and then he didn't come back."

Um, so then when Dr. William Henry York didn't come back, the superstar brothers were like something really weird to happen. So, the Colonel Ed York got, uh, posse a 50 soldiers to come with him and they just started searching every single homestead along the hostage trail, because they were like, "This is fucked."

And, um, when they got to the vendor in, it was March 28th, 1873 and, um, the Colonel explained to the vendors that he was looking for his brother and the vendors told him, "Yes, his brother did stay there," but then he left and there's probably a good chance that he had to run in with some of the Native Americans nearby. And they, so the Colonel left, they continued searching on, but as they asked more people

around, they started hearing these stories of fucked up shit that was happening to people at the vendors. So, there was a woman that told them a story of getting chased out of the vendor in with knives. Oh, yeah.

And then upon hearing that, he was like, "We're going back there." Right. So, they go back and, um, they have another conversation with them. If you, I highly recommend listening to, um, the, the doll-up, because Dave did so much fucking research.

Yeah. It's so hilarious. And there's a whole standoff that happens when they go back to reject. Because the first pass is like, "Oh, it's just this nice family." Yeah.

You would never think twice about, you know, the son, the daughter, everyone's a sweet

and kind. Then when they go back, the vibe is a little bit different. And the kernel knows he can't just arrest them, he has to have proof, he has to have a warrant to search the house, whatever. So he's like, "Yeah, I'm going to be back."

Well, they go to get that warrant and when they come back, the vendors are gone. The whole cabin is empty. And when they go into the house, the cabin to search it, they first notice, there's absolutely nothing inside, then the smell hits- No. And it is a smell that's so bad and they finally realize it's coming from this trap door.

Oh dear. And it's so bad they open the trap door and no one can stay inside the cabin. They end up having to take the cabin off its foundation so they can look in the cellar. Because no one could do it. And when they see into the cellar, the cellar floor is covered in congealed blood.

Ew!

“I felt it's so hot out in the middle of there too, right?”

Probably. Ew! So gross. So then they know something bad, it's an happening. And they're like, everyone's freaking out, but there's no bodies, there's no body parts

or anything. It's just man. It's just concealed blood. It's just concealed blood.

So the kernel goes up and now I'm going to just tell a little white lie because this is how it picks her in my mind. Okay, I do not.

“I don't think there's very many hills and Kansas, so it's probably not.”

There. How he picks her in.

But he basically went and got like a bird's eye view somehow of the land.

So either he went up on a little hill as how I like to pick her in and like look down on it or he just kind of got back a bit and he noticed. Drown. He got a drone. He got a drone which was just a hawk.

And he noticed that there were depressions in the apple orchard soil. Oh dear. Right. I thought of your pig people to my pig people stone unturned. That's one of the ways that they find clandestine graves is those.

And they say there's only certain times of day when you can tell where the shadow's going. If there's a depression in the soil, crazy. If you look at it at sunset, you can see that the shadows are fucked up and there's a depression. Yeah.

Yeah. No, I love it. I was that's all I thought of when I got to that part where I'm like, I wonder if

“either he had so much experience being a Colonel, right?”

That he had seen stuff like that before or if it just like hit him of like, that's not right. Right. Either way, they took metal rods and they started poking the earth in that orchard. It's stinky.

And there was some obviously there was some ground that was hard and solid. Right. And they would come upon really soft ground. Oh my God.

So the first time they did that, they started digging and almost immediately they found

the body of Dr. William York. He was barely, he was barely down in the ground. Wow. So they uncover him and then they start uncovering other bodies. Please.

And they end up finding eight buried bodies in the orchard alone. Wow. But some of the graves are so deep that they, they, like, that they're like, they're realizing, oh, there could be tons of people buried out here and we just wouldn't know it.

They could have buried ten people in one grave this deep. They also found a father and daughter in a single grave and there was no injuries on the girl except for she had a broken arm, but other than that, nothing. And they think they buried her alive and put the dead body of her father. Oh, no, no.

Yeah. Just to, just to really, um, just to really bum you out. So, um, let's see. So based on the injuries of the dead bodies that they dug up, they put together the story of what they figured the vendors were doing.

Okay. So they would have somebody that would be check into the end. And then that night, it would, they would come to dinner at the dinner table.

And they would always see that person at the head of the table with their back, the guests

back to the canvas, um, divider. Oh, my God. So it looks so pretty, the gorgeous ice count. Oh, no. So at some point, um, and I like to picture that they get them nice and drunk so they

have a real good time. What do they have? Mead? What do they drink back then?

“Back then, I would say it's some kind of a beer, right?”

Yeah. Blood, cellar beer? Yeah. Ooh. Okay.

Um, so at some point in the dinner, either John, senior, or John Junior, not Kelvira, not a voter senior, or Kate Junior, goes behind the canvas and hits them in the head with a hammer. Oh. Knocks them out.

And then Kate slits their throat a little bit. Oh, the girl. The girl. Kate Junior. Why does she do it?

She did that with her jam? No. I'm not sure why they think she did it maybe, I mean, maybe with something about the mother that she couldn't do it or whatever, like she was a strong, um, one. Then they had this trap door, so they would just drop the dead body down the trap door

into the cellar, feeling, and so that that was all gone in a way. And so that basically they could do that and get away with it, and there could be people in the general store, there could be people in the inn, and they could, like, just get rid of these people. And then they would rob them, and they would get, you know, a lot of these people

who had stuck all their stuff in their covered wagon, who had everything that they owned and had tons of money on them, and tons of valuables on them, and the vendors just took it all, but they also noted that there were some people that they only got a dollar off of, or $10. So they said, this was actually like a serial killing family because sometimes they just

did it to do it. Wow. Yeah. Because it wouldn't even make sense to kill a person just had four bucks in their pocket. It was like, it would actually draw attention and not be the best idea, but they did it

So, Bakkers, right?

“At the time, Senator York, the other fancy brother, offered a $1,000 reward for the vendors”

arrest, which is the equivalent today of $20,000. Holy shit. And then the governor of Kansas put up a $2,000 reward, so $40 grand, oh my god.

But despite all the reward money, the vendors were never caught, they were never seen

again. What? You have, they went, they disappeared. No. Yes.

Now, there was all kinds of people who said they saw them places that gave weird information. There were people who confessed to being the vendors. It was, you know, it was like a huge story, but they themselves were never found. Jesus. There was a story that there was a boat in Mexico that was out at sea in the Gulf of Mexico

and they ballooned a hot air balloon crashed onto the deck of the boat. Fuck. And the vendors were inside and Elvira, John Sr. and Kate all died in the crash. John Jr. survived and did a deathbed confession of where the vendors, we killed all these people.

My father made, or whoever he was, the John Sr. was a bull, hudder, balloon maker in Germany. And he's been making this hot air balloon for our escape. And that's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you lost me about, about what? No, not that balloon, perfectly landed crash landed onto the bow of a boat.

“Unto three murderous members of the family, it's like, I think, I think that's how Wizard of”

Oz started. It is, it's, they shut up, they took, well, that's from the Wizard of Oz. I mean, there is that part. What? Remember, there were men in my town, no, no, no, he's, remember, he's gonna, it's the, oh, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, shit, yeah, he's gonna leave and then she's like, I'm not going with you and like, and then tap your shoes together and tap your shoes and then kill us like, calm travelers. What? Um, why can't the kill travelers?

Anyway, that's just like a story stuff we had, which is kind of genius, but ultimately

they're, what they ended up finding out after all of it. There were no official papers that proved that they were actually a family. So, what it is believed is that Elvira, aka Kate Senior, am Kate Junior, were a mother and daughter. Hmm.

John Senior was not related to anybody by blood. John Junior was not related to anybody by blood and they think actually, Kate Junior and John Junior were husband and wife, common law. And that they were all, they were basically a gang of thugs that got together. That got together were like, if we pretend we're a family, people will trust us.

Totally. We can't just be four randoms that are sitting in a cabin going like, come and buy oats from us. But if we're like, come to the Bender family in, people will be like, oh, thank God. This gets in a good conversation with the Bender.

Right. And so they, that it was like a scam from, from the set up. What do you think they want? You know, it's so cool is that someone listening, I bet, right now, is related to the Bender. Yes.

And knows way more good stuff, or doesn't know anything.

Oh, it's just like, I say, we realize, yeah, or like someone and they'll never know.

That's like, someone's great, great, great, great, not that great, great, great aunt is Elvira. Yes. Or great, grandparents are John and Kate, who just were like, hey, plus hey, they went

“out of eight kids, Elvira's, you know, yeah, let's see, I think that, oh, the other rumor”

was that Elvira, Elvira had as many as five husbands before the Bender in, you know, events. And all of them died by blunt force trauma to the head. But that is hot goss, and I think also unproven, but that was just basically like, they, you know, people try to love a black widow.

I love a black widow. I love a vintage black widow. There's something so, it's almost like women were so oppressed and some women busted out in a way that, like, they just went batshit, great, where it's like, oh, you're going to oppress me, watch how I kill everybody and get away with it in that way of like, she's

so sweet. I think it's, uh, expected, I know, and I was suspected, suspected, suspected, or, you know, to the true crime podcast, and I don't know where the suspect, all of the bloody benders were believed to have killed at least a dozen people, possibly over 20, oh my god, yeah.

What if, okay, what if H.H. Holmes, I feel like H.H. Holmes must be involved in this somewhere he was friends with them. He knew them. Yes. But they haven't in.

They have a place where people come and stay. Yes. But if, I don't know if the timeline matches up, I think it does, this, because this is about 10 years before he's home. He just chams his John Jr., yes, he is.

When he called taste for it, he solved it. He was like, he was watching Kate, slit the throat, he was, you know, he was hitting the back the head, but on the other side of the canvas.

He was like, I got to get more of a first person, yeah, this is fun, but I'd like to do something

a little crazier. And a little nice, all right, it happens or live, this is trash. Yeah. What's still a hotel? Oh, also, they call, people took the cabin apart by hand.

Uh-huh.

“And I think they, they think kept, kept it for, you know, do we know where it is?”

Can we visit it? Can we spend the night? Yes. It's now called Hell'sacre and they can be camped on the ground. I don't think so, because they say it's haunted.

No, that, that you could still do it, though. Well, but it's like, it's totally clear, they think there's bodies out there that they don't know where about, and they've, like, ghost shows of gone there. Well, we're, we're going for a live show to have it in, to put on a live show in the center of Hell'sacre.

Uh-huh. Oh, great.

I don't see you, you have to hurt it.

Yeah. Okay. That's them, too. That's great. I know I'd never.

You did it. No, thanks. Fucking God. No.

“Yeah, that's why I was like, I wish I knew this for a fact, but like, these days, when”

I'm 80% sure, something and drop immediately drops at 30% sure, I just kind of don't know anything anymore. So you know that we have, um, someone made us a Wikipedia, and I think it lists each episode. Is that true, Steven?

It's shaking his head, yes. He knows. It's, they list every episode and what each, what, so you can control F and put in

Bender that to come up, no, then you've never done the god damn well, yeah.

I know I had to do it because I was like, have I done this murder once? It's nice. So we're getting to that point. I mean, like, it's exciting that this is gone on long enough, and we're in this area. Yeah.

I mean, until we play our last game of guess, too, this is going to go on for a long fucking time. And we're not going to remember this shit. We're going to be a little late. He's feeling like, do I ever do theater or Bundy now, Steven?

I am interested in theater or Bundy. How about that? Yeah. Great. Thank you.

Thank you. That was great. Okay. We are back, Karen. Any updates?

There are updates. So the Bender's land was sold in 2020 at auction to a new owner. His name is Bob Miller. He's long and fascinated with the family. And he connected with Kansas University's Anthropology Department in 2022, hoping to organize

an archaeological investigation of his land. Cool. Right. Such a good idea. And like, to me, that's that kind of thing of like, oh, you've been interested

in the story. And now you're actually doing something to forward the information and the answers, which is amazing. Like the right person bought the land. It could have been sold to shit.

Right. The asked developers in the sky's like, fuck no. Yeah, he's not going to put a strip mall on it. In 2023, KU Anthropology faculty and students started working on that site. As of 2024, they've reportedly unearthed 1,200 artifacts, including wagon parts, broken furniture,

broken window glass, and many other items. And according to reports, Bob Miller dreams of some day opening a museum about the Benders on the land. How brilliant is that? He actually said, quote, the artifacts themselves are interesting, but they're only 20%

of what we're interested in, where they're found, the context in which they're found, is more important to us that can tell us a lot. When you're able to stay, this is next to that versus this is over here. You get a better understanding of the people and their behaviors.

“If you want to read a book about the Bloody Benders after you listen to this episode”

in full, novelist Camilla Bruce wrote all the blood we share, a novel of the Bloody Benders of Kansas, which is a historical fiction version of the story. And then author Lee Ralph published the book, "Hell Comes to Play" in 2023. That's non-fiction about also about the Benders. So you have your choice.

Oh, I want to read both of them. I know me too. Oh, my god. Okay, so this one, this story has stuck with me for the rest of my life. I will say, like, there's a movie about it, I think they go into it.

This, when I hear the word "perth" Australia, I just think of this story. It's so fucking disturbing. It's so bad. So let's get into it. This is Georgia's story about David and Catherine Bernie and the More House murders.

Oh, when Kyle Hay said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking.

“What the hell does George Bush got to do a little Kim?”

Well, you can find out on the lookback at a podcast. I'm SamJet and I'm Alex English. On each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the eighties. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just 'cause of crack.

I'm down to talk about crack or David, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, just so y'all know.

I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack.

So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have eight on the table, right now, so. You know what? Are you fishing as sentiment? Yes, I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

“Really, yeah, for me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.”

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Yeah. All right. Like a month or two ago, someone on one of the platforms said,

"You guys should watch this movie called "Hounds of Love." Okay. And I never heard of it.

It's an Australian movie, like a thriller. Am I? I was like, "I was alone." When it was out, I was like, "I'm just going to fucking watch it." Put it on. Get on Amazon. And then my mind was fucking blown. It's okay. Let's do this. It is loosely. They say loosely, but it is very, very not loosely based on this crime. Okay. On this murderous couple from Australia. And I wanted to do this couple, and we were not Australia, but I ended up not doing them. So I want to watch this

movie. I kind of knew some of the details. Okay. And the movie is incredible because the acting is so fucking good, but I swear to God, if you're, if you were faint of heart, you're not going to like this movie. You've been sort of fucking, if you're not into true crime, hardcore, you're not going to like this movie. Because it's so upsetting. It's upsetting and so realistic. And but it was, it's like one of my favorite movies I watch because it's so good. Okay. Like Vince would have been like,

"This is troubling. I can't watch this." And I'd be like, "Yeah, me too. It's very troubling." Really, I wouldn't be like, "I got like to watch. It's so good." Okay. So it is very troublesome. Yeah. Oh, I'm really disturbed by this. This is wrong. This is wrong. And then he goes to bed and I like put it on. So the movie is called "Hounds of Love." Watch it after I tell you about this. Okay. About what it is based on, even though the director said it's not for the writers,

that it's not the more house murders. Okay. Everyone in Perth Australia is like, "Fuck, yes, right now." Nice. Okay. Perth. Perth. Sorry. We didn't come there. Perth again. Our apologies.

takes place in the '80s, '86. A fucking crazy hysterical, barely dressed 17-year-old girl in this suburb of Perth runs into a vacuum cleaner shop and begs the shop owner to call the police that she had just been raped and she had been kidnapped and had just escaped. Whoa. When police got there, she said she'd been abducted at night point by a couple who had taken their her back to their house and raped her and held her captive. The police are fucking like bullshit,

that's skeptical at her. It passed her off to one of the most inexperienced police members.

So it's constable Laura Hancock's first-day on the job. No! No! She's 22 years old.

This is her first statement she's ever taken. They take this, not historically. The 17-year-old girl heard her, who has a story and they say to her,

“"Hey, you need to take notes on this to write her up for lying for making a story."”

Like they don't believe it at all and they're like, "Here you go, constable, fucking Laura Hancock." Do some paperwork. Do some paperwork. Get this check off from that out of here. So Ms. Laura Hancock, of course, or Constable Laura Hancock, of course, is a female and has empathy. So she's like, "Hey, got him in it. There's a lot of details about this and she's two and she's telling it to emotion, not emotionally, but like, emphatically, that this isn't fake."

Yeah, she describes getting a lift from a couple while walking home in a before. They put the knife to her and they chain her in their home in on more house street and that she had escaped in the morning by breaking through window and running. And this ends the four-week killing spree at the hands of a couple that left four other women dead. Oh, my God. Okay, so let's go. Let's talk about the fucking mother fucking shitty ass couple.

“These assholes. David Bernie, it's the Bernie's. David Bernie is more in February 16,”

1951. He's the eldest of five children, super dysfunctional family. The parent, his parents go to ask the priest for permission to get married and the priest is like, "I don't think that this can lead to anything good." His parents say that about, "This is parents getting married." Oh, my God. Yeah.

Grow, grows up in a suburb of Perth. There's rumors that the family, the mom, super promiscuous. There's alcoholism. There's incest going on. The health, the health, the health, the filthy. The kids have no supervision. The mother has a mental age of 14. Oh, no. Really fucked up family life. Don't feel bad for him. He's a murderer. Okay, that's right.

Catherine Harrison. She's also born in 1951. She's two years old when her mother, Doreen dies, giving birth to her brother. Brother also dies the baby. Father can't cope. So he's sent her to live with her maternal grandparents. At 10, she gets sent back to her father. It's just a really,

the whole childhood is fucked up. Yeah. Just basically adults letting her know that she's kind of not

welcome anyway. We're not welcome, not wanted. Her mom is dead. So both of these people, you know, normally I would be much more sympathetic to these poor children being raised in this awful way. Of course I would. But I've been studying what they've done for, you know, a while now and you just can't. Yeah. You can't. You can't. Okay. By 14, David and Catherine are in relationship. They lived in the same town. They started doing petty crimes together and Catherine

eventually gets caught and sent to prison and she breaks free from David who is by all accounts really controlling. And so they had had this tumultuous relationship. But by her 21st birthday, she's married to the son of the family. She's a housekeeper for her. I bet they loved that.

“I know. I have family. Yeah. I think they were well to do family. Yeah. That's like the plot of”

1,000 don't nabbies. Yeah. What? You're marrying the man exactly. By the time David's an adolescent, he'd been convicted of several crimes. He had attempted to rape on an elderly woman and spent time in an out of prison. In his early 20s, he marries his wife and they have a daughter. Catherine has seven children with the housekeeper dude guy. They have seven kids. Sorry.

I say that's that's old school Irish Catholic. Right. That's so out of kids. The first her first

son, though, as a baby, is struck and killed by a cart in front of her. No. Yeah. And they're like driveway. No. So if she's already fucking crazy, she's got to be out of her mind by that point. I mean, yeah, yes. So in 1985, she Catherine abandoned her husband and six children and goes to live with David. They get back together. Wow. This point. I mean, I have to say,

oh, like, there is something to that that I can see would be really bonding and very exciting.

Well, it's really crazy about this. And there's so many aspects of it that don't make sense when you look at serial killers. And one of them is like, if these two people

“hadn't been together with these things have happened. Yes. And I think, and so they kind of”

it's like they were made for each other because they were both fucking awful. Yeah. You know? Yes. And yeah. It's like when you meet someone and you both hate the same people. Yeah. Only like times a thousand. And then you kill those people. Yes. And then you make a list. You write it down. You both agree. Yeah. All right. Okay. Papa, papa, papa. So Catherine and David, they're in their adults now. They get back together. They move in together. They're like,

we're, we're it's you and me. We're buying and Clyde, all that bullshit. Do you have any idea where they remet? Like it was just did they pass in the grocery store? Yeah. You got to wonder. I want to know really. You know, I couldn't find that anywhere. Was there some kind of a dating

video dating service? Well, she was his first wife. He was cheating on her constantly. And he

even put an ad in the paper saying board has been looking for sex because he was a crazy sex addict. So I kind of, um, perverted and, you know, was just needing to bone all the fucking time. Yeah. The marriage broke up when he had their 16 year old babysitter move into the house

“to sleep with him. And his wife was like, get the fuck out of here. His wife's like, you know what?”

Yeah. This plus all that laundry I have to do. I'm done. Good. The romance has gone. Right. Yeah. So these are some fucked up characters to begin with. So Catherine moves in with David. She changes her last name to Bernie. Even though, uh, that's, they didn't get married. They moved into a house in Willigie in Perth, Southwest on a street called Morehouse. So that's why it's the Morehouse martyrs. Um, for more than a year after getting to gather David and Catherine.

Okay. David looks like, you know, the, uh, Julia, Julia, Julia, Julia, the we drive us as husband and beep. The tall skinny guy with the tall, long nose. I do. What's his name? The actor. Mm-hmm. Dave pass crazy. How, how, how do you, as I know him in real life? Do you? Yes. I was in a pilot with him long long ago. You know every, there was personally, it's crazy. If you hang around this dumb town long enough, you meet everyone. He looks exactly like him.

Perfect. It is so uncanny. I want to show you a photo right. Yes, I have to see. Okay. And then,

“so that's what he looks like. And she, and Catherine looks like if Julia, Lou, Julia, Louis was normal.”

Oh, God. For a second, I was going to be like, is this some kind of a vapor? Julia, Louis. Okay.

Julia, Louis, the actress and musician, if she were a basic bitch, like, normal looking like 80s, you know, beige wearing person, like, bad shirts. Yeah. Okay. That's what she would look like. Exciting. And the actors in the movie, hounds of love look exactly like them. Here's, Karen, Steven's showing Karen a photo right now. Oh, my right. Yes. But I have to sit. Oh, my God. That's, that's so funny. Which part? Well, first of all, the Julia, Louis woman is looks like she's

a pretty hot lettered, hard to grab a life. Like, yeah, it's like a nice moisturizer. No. But did you ever see district nine? Yeah. The actor or chapy, or any of the stuff south. Um, um, South Africa shot to a coply. Is that his name? Yeah. Yeah. She's so cute. Oh, my God. Yes. We're going to go to a trivia night. I think that guy looks like him. Yeah. I can see that for sure. It's that. It's just just like long prominent nose. Yes. Like jaw line that really thin,

wiery, like McHew is a mechanic. So he looks, has a mechanic, sinewy body. Yep. I got it. I got it. Yeah. Oh, my God. But also this guy's David Bernie's. Yeah. He's dead. Right. Yeah. Her too. If you see her, it like, they both are clear clear sociopaths. And you'll find out more so when I tell you what they did. Okay. All right. No, it's fun. All right. So we would corner, so they get back together and they start fucking feeding their crazy sexual fantasies that they

have about rape and murder that the two of them both have. And they start reading books about how

out where they could leave a car of one of their, if they find a victim and have to like abandon a car,

“where can they leave it the longest without being detected. And it turns out it's actually at the”

fucking police station. What? They end up doing with this their first victim. What? Okay. On October 6, 1986, 22 year old Mary Nielsen. She's studying psychology at a university. She goes to the Bernie's house because she had needed to buy tires, went to the mechanic place where David Bernie worked. And he was like, oh, you know, actually I have some tires. I can sell you for on the cheap. They're just at my house. She just need to come there. And it was like great.

Never. She's trying to save money. No. No, never. Yes. tires belong in a tire shop. Yeah. Yes. In a stack. Yeah.

In front of the tire shop. You sit in the air conditioned fucking office and it smells like rubber. And you're in your read of the old highlights magazine. That's right. While you wait, just wait. And they get everything gets done on the promises. Yeah. The end. The end. So she goes to the house to get the tires. He immediately gags her chains her to the bed and raps her while Catherine watches and takes notes. What? Yeah. So Catherine is in on this completely. Yeah.

She's taken to Glen Eagle's National Park, which was their dumping round. And as she begs for her life, she's raped and strangled with a nylon cord. And when she's dead, he stabs her knowing it would speed up decomposition because they had read about it in the murder books. So they're just animals. They're monsters. Yeah. And they were planning on planning this.

They're organized monsters. They're organized monsters. This this first Mary needs

meals in their first victim kind of just happened by circumstance. But as we'll see, that's not what happened next. Yeah. So it was just an active opportunity. And they just wanted to get away with the perfect murder. So. So they're actual plan though. Is that the sun sets and they go hunting for victims in the car. They scope out the streets. Any woman who was alone, they would offer a ride. And it's a fucking nice looking young couple who's like,

"Hi, do you need a ride?" You know, it's that thing. And they do it so perfectly. And then the movie hounds of love that you. It's the movie's so realistic. It's creepy.

Yeah. So, sorry. What year is that movie from? Is it recent? Yeah. It's not past year or two.

“Oh, okay. Yeah. I think. So, but it looks like the 80s. It's like it's such a good movie. Okay.”

But, but, but, but, but. All right. So they would, they would, uh, two weeks later. They were cruising looking for their next victim. They spot 15 year old high school students, Susanna Candy. As she's hitchhiking along, um, sterling highway and Clairemont. So within seconds of getting under the car with this nice couple. And in the movie, they even had a baby seat in the backseat, which is like, I don't know if that's really what happened. But, uh, she, there's a

knife to her throat and her hands are bound. She's taken back to the house. She's gagged, chained to the bed, and raped. They force, then they force, uh, Susanna to send letters to her family, assuring them that she's all right. But, of course, the family doesn't believe it. And she just for her life. Yeah. After they finish raping, Susanna, Katherine Bernie, uh, gets into bed with them, and they rape her together. Uh, he tries to strangle her with a nylon cord,

but she becomes hysterical. This is really fucked up by the way. She'll start with. No, no, no. I mean, but I think it's that it is that thing of a complicit wife to a serial killer to a serial rapist. It's so beyond a pale. It's just so odd. And so hard to comprehend in any way. And the only way I was able to even wrap my mind around what, how and what was this movie? Right. So I think I, I didn't think I was planning on doing this the murder, even though I had read about it,

and tell I saw this movie. And it, it was, yeah, I just made sense in a way that was so troubling. Yeah. And it also is the thing of like so many times I've wanted to do the girl in the box, the straight, the woman who is, and she was also kidnapped by a husband and wife. Who's, uh, the wife was, you know, obviously abused and, and like, yeah, it was not the same situation but

“everything. Well, that's what's so interesting about this one is I don't think that that's the”

case at all. And of course they try to make it seem that way later, but that's not these two people were equally, uh, complicit. Yeah, because that's not who she was, really. Right. But it's just the idea of you, these assumptions that that we've all made culturally, a man by himself is dangerous, a man and a woman are fine, a baby seat clears the deck. It's like all those things. They're just like, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Okay. Totally. Um, so they forced sleeping pills. They forced her to take

prove her undying love for him by strangling her. Yeah. That's how you do it. Yeah. Yeah. What she does.

“Well, I know. Um, they bury her near the grave of Mary Nielsen and in the forest as well. Um,”

on November 1st, 31-year-old, um, Nolene Patterson had run out of gas on her way home from her job as a bar manager at a golf club. She's standing by the side of the road when they drive up the brimmy's drive up. She gets inside the car. And so here's a creepy fucking thing. They had a code for when a girl got in the car if they thought she was a good, um, victim. Katherine was the one who decided if she was a good victim or not, if she was okay with, you know, because it was, if she was

okay bringing this one home. Yeah. It was almost like you can cheat on me with I choose the person.

It's almost like she thought of it as cheating on her. Oh, I know. So she would say to David,

I've got them on cheese and David would say, yeah, I've got them on cheese too. That was their code word. Yeah. And so they held a knife to her throat and tied her up and told her not to move. She's taken back to more house street. David repeatedly rapes her. Um, they had originally decided to murder her that same night, which was kind of what they did. But David kept her prisoner in the house for three days because there were signs that he had developed an emotional attachment to her because she

was this really fucking smart, you know, 31-year-old woman who was like going to play them against

“each other and make David fall for her. Yeah. That's how she was going to escape. That was her plan.”

But unfortunately Katherine got super fucking jealous, held a knife to her throat and made

David an ultimatum that David has to kill her or she's going to kill herself. Katherine's going to kill herself. Katherine's going to kill herself that David didn't kill, um, no lean. Whoa. I bet that was an unpleasant scene to watch in that movie. It's insane. It's fucking insane. Oh, yeah. Okay. Um, so he forces her to telling to take a overdose of sleeping pills and strangles her while she's asleep. They take her body to the

forest and bear it. But they bury it away from the other victims because he had some emotional attachment to her because it's fucking weird. I know. All right. Then on November 5th, they have duck 21-year-old Denise Brown as she's waiting for a bus on Sterling Highway. She accepts a ride and at knife point, she's taken to the house, chained to the bed again and raped. They take her into the forest, David salts her again and they stab her in the neck. They go to bury her in a shallow

grave, but she's not dead, and Denise sits up in the grave. What the fuck? Oh my god, hold on. I know. I'm doing my nervous laughing. I'm doing my nervous reading because like suddenly I'm realizing how, I mean, I'm not realizing, but you know, you're in this thing and you're like, this is like living hell. But also when we were in Australia, this, I didn't know it from the More House murders. But so many people from Perth were like, my mom was, so it's David

Bernice, he bought. So there was all these people that had, they would just mention the Bernice,

“like, my sister went to the school that blew up. Remember that? Yes, it's constantly being”

referenced. Yeah, I didn't know what anyone was talking about. Yeah, I don't remember. That's crazy. But we just knew it was like, there was a good murder and we just didn't know about it. And I had read about it a little bit, but I had so many details wrong. And I remember picturing in my head of what it looked like and what happened and it's so wrong from what really it was going on. Yes. But that detail is, if it were in a movie, you'd be like,

this is, you're going crazy. Like, let's not be, let's not turn it into like full form of it. Yeah. But that's exactly what this is. And then yes, what happened? They killed her. They grab an axe. They cut her head off. No, and just hit her in the head with the axe, killed her. But they say that this is kind of where Catherine broke a little bit. The brisality of this

part is, I mean, it fucking stabbing someone like that's not bad enough. But so this is just like, yeah, I would, it would cut through three hours. Just the next level. Yeah, it'd be okay. So no more people dying. Okay. Okay. All right. Now we're eating. Okay. Let's, let's, let's now we do our cooking podcast. Just clean transition into recipes or the congealed blood into the, into the seller. Oh, meal. Yeah. Into the song. Okay. So let's get to fucking Kate Moyer. She's a badass.

She's a 17 year old free spirit. She drops out of high school. She's a model. She's this gorgeous. There's all these videos. Oh, there's this really great true crime show called Murder Uncovered

a story that escaped. Okay. All right. So she's this fucking cool ship badass woman on November 10,

“1986. She accepts a ride around the corner from her house after a night of drinking with friends.”

But she's this nice couple picks her up and she's like, yeah, give me a ride the rest of the home. Yeah. They get to her house. She goes to open the door. There's no door handle. That thing. But they take her to the house. And they say, oh, you need a roll down the window or use the door handle whatever. And she goes to do that one. And there's no door handle. Like they were fucking going with her. Oh, my god. At that point, he pulls out a fucking knife and holds it to her neck.

And they drive away. And they tie her up. They take her to their house. And they hang out with her in the living room and smoke a joint with her and talk to her and ask her all these questions.

They play music and they make her strip and dance to. Okay, ready to never hear the song again the

same way. It's been in my fucking head since I found out what song you like. We can, I guess. Yes.

“Will you tell 86? Thank you beds are burning by I'm trying to think of Australian band. Okay.”

Is it you know, how do we see? It's a good gas. But no, it's it's in that minute work. No. I don't know if they're Australian. Okay, they probably are. Rocks at? No. What's that? Rocks at song? That one? No. Okay, don't be a singer for you. Yes. I don't think I should do it. I'm going to say it to you and you'll sing it.

Okay, it's a Romeo and Juliet by dire straits. Oh, no. Wait a second. Do it sing little. Uh, Juliet, do that the band is from the start? No, that's not right. Hold on. See you in hold on. I'm going to play it. Can I play it? Yeah. Oh, I don't think so. I don't think we can either. But if you don't know what, let me play it for you. We're going to pause. I just need to tell you more. I don't know anymore. I'm embarrassed of my voice. Okay. I'm going to play it for you.

We're going to pause. So yeah, that was a song. And I've just been high about it stuck in my head. That's a couple of weeks. And it's been real troubling. It's also so creepy because like those lyrics were it's like, hey, let's give it a try. It's a love song. It's very romantic quote unquote. It's it's so creepy. There's something about that. That was just so eerie to me. These people were fucking nuts. These people are fucking nuts. Not, not cases. Um, all right. So they like smoke.

“We with her and hang out with her and she says to them, are you guys going to kill me?”

And they said, we'll just rape you if you're good. If you're just, if you're good, we'll just rape you. Jesus, which of course wasn't fucking true. Um, so David holds a knife to her throat and forces her to call her mom. She says then assure her mom that she had too much to drink and was staying at a friend's house. Can you imagine like on the phone with your mom being like, I've said this to you before, but things like that make me go, we have to set up a code word. Where if you hear me say

this word in a conversation like that, something else is going on. Yeah. I actually made this plan with my friend Holly Gardner when we were 13 years old. Oh my God, what was it? And it was like, I can't remember why something had happened where it was like either home invasion had been in the news. Yeah. Some kind of thing. And I was like, we were, it was some stupid thing where like we have to make up a code if we ever see this. But some kind of like school books, it was something

about home work or books or something. Well, it was like in the movie, the girl has to write a letter and there's a code in it that she puts in there. Really? Yeah. It's fucking cool. Um, so it was a pre-agree code or she just put it in hoping that they would find it. She put it in hoping that they would find out. I'm, I like the idea of a pre-agree. Okay. What about stay sexy, don't get murdered. If we ever say, let's do each other. Steven's kidnapped us and made us make a podcast for 90 episodes.

I know that you're trying to get me to call my family as a cover for your murder of me. Right.

But real quick, do you mind if I talk about a podcast with my family member? It's what we always do.

Okay. If we ever say, um, I don't know. Use the word suburbanites. Okay. If the word suburbanites comes out of any of our minds. I will never say that word normally. Okay. We'll never say that word suburbanites. If suburbanites comes into the picture, it's code read. Okay. Something about happening. Hey, I'm at these suburbanites house and like that. I'm trying. I'm trying to crash this thing. No, I don't think you're on the way to fix that word. Right. Hey, I got drunk. I'm saying it. My

suburbanite friends house. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. That really stands out. It doesn't work. Um, what if we say, if we ever say, chow instead of buy shit, so you save it up to the very end. Oh, shit. Yeah. No, but I mean, that's fine. What about, oh, uh, if we say, oh, uh,

Yeah. Oh, uh, Kate's all. Okay. Oh, done. We'll figure this out. Yeah.

“Let's all just have a code word. Okay. Um, direstrates, blah blah blah. It's right. So I'm going to a”

direstrate's concert. Right. And I'm, I'm, I'm in direstrates. And I am, I'm seriously a direstrate. Uh, blah blah. Okay. Then, uh, she's forced to dance with them. Then she's forced to sleep in the couples bed while handcuffed to David. Um, so they rape her, uh, Catherine joins in. She, uh, starts screaming at one point and they come in and they say the sleeping arrangements have changed and they bring her into their bed together. They handcuffed her ankle to David's.

He tries to make her take sleeping pills. She hides them in her mouth and then text them into the mattress while they're sleeping because she's like, I know that if I fall asleep here, I'm going to die. Yeah. She was on fucking point. And she said, there's this, this is like her first interview ever. Um, and she seems so normal. It's scary.

I like she seems amazing. Uh, she says she knew she had like a 200 to one chance of surviving,

but she was going to do whatever she could to make it happen. Hell, yes. That's, that's the,

“that's the mental place you need to be. She was there. And you know what she kept. She started”

fucking doing. She was like, no one's going to believe me that I was in this house. They're again, they, they, she watched them take her clothes and bag them up so that they wouldn't leave anything behind when they got rid of the evidence. She knew that's what they were doing in her mind. So she said, I'm going to leave evidence here. So people, someone knows I was here. So she starts fucking hiding shit in the house. She makes little drawings and hides them in the mattress. She

takes the pills and hides them there. She puts a lipstick in this like weird spot just to prove that she was there. Yes. Our name and everything on a little piece of paper. Really, yeah. I lost my thing. Hold on. Okay, where was I? Hold on. In certain page numbers, I'm tighted. I did it. And now I don't remember what page I was on. And I don't know where I put them.

“All right. So the day after she was kidnapped, the next day, David leaves her work”

and Catherine goes to the door because someone comes to the door for a drug dealer, for a drug deal. And they think, so Catherine forgets to chain Kate up. She just pushes her in the room and says, stay in this room. And they think that maybe in her mind was so fucked up from the last murder that she just wasn't thinking straight or wasn't on her game. Yeah. And Kate realizes the fucking chance to escape. So she finds a window. She breaks the lock on it, pushes

out the window, jumps out of the window. Hits her head on the concrete on the way down and starts fucking booking it down the street. Yeah. knocking on doors, no one's answering. She jumps a fence and a fucking dog taxer. And someone's yard. No. That's the fuck out. Keeps running. Caesar, like a vacuum cleaner store with a man and a suit out front and runs to him. And she says, I was hysterical. I'm barefoot wearing my black leggings, a black singlet and knickers.

She says to him, help. I've been raped. Please take me inside and call the police. And she's afraid that Catherine is going to come after her. So she says, if a woman comes here and says, I had a fight with her and I'm her daughter. Don't believe her. I've been raped. Shit. And so she's brought to the police station. And she's handed off to our friend,

Constable, Laura Hancock, our 22 year old friend. He's never taken, never taken a statement before.

And handed off to her because they don't believe her. They tell her right up right her up for making a false report. The Laura's hearing her story, hearing these crazy details, including how shot like the shine and the numbers on the fucking chains that she was locked up in, what color, robe, David was wearing, what color, robe, she had to wear all these details. And she keeps going up outside to her, like her captain and being like, I don't think she's lying. She's telling

me this and this and this and they're like, she's lying. Go back and get more information. Finally, Kate says that couple had been using pseudonyms the whole time, but she had seen their names on the medicine bottle and the name was David Bernie. Oh, and she then they believed her because he had a crazy fucking record. Yes. So then they were like, oh, shit. So she, police guard at the house and in, they find the stuff Kate stashed, proving she was there.

And the movie they made her watch when they had been smoking pot. It was in the VCR. It was fucking Rambo and the Dyer Straits cassette in the series. Oh, so like all the details. Oh, is it there? And they find her hidden trinkets as well. So David and Catherine are arrested and interrogated and just of detectives were about to give up on him. You know, it was going to be a

Just tell us where they're buried and David says, okay. And he takes them to where the graves are.

So like is a holy Mary. He says that. Just how it's getting dark. Just tell us. Oh, David, that is brilliant. Yeah. Um, later when Catherine's asked, okay, let's see. All right. All right. So they are both sentenced to four terms of life imprisonment. They're required to serve 20 years before being eligible for parole. When asked why she had done it, Catherine said, because I wanted to see how strong I was within my inner self. I didn't feel a thing. It was

like I expected. I was prepared to follow him to the end of the earth and do anything to see

“that his desires were satisfied. She was a female, females hurt and destroy males. That's why she”

did that killed. Oh, like on behalf of males, she was killing females. She didn't feel anything like all females were fucked up. So after 19 years in prison, David Bernie is found dead in his cell on October 7, 2005, he hanged himself from an air vent using a length of cord. Do you think he hanged himself? Yeah. I think he was really depressed and he hanged himself. Yeah. And then he was 55 years old after her fourth bid for parole was declined in 2016. Uh, sorry. Wait, Catherine's

fourth bid for parole, the client in 2016 to last year. And our friend, badass Kate over here has a campaign to end Western Australians laws that automatically put convicts up for parole every three years, because she's not even asking for parole. They just keep putting her out. Right. That's

“just, it's like, like, computers doing it right. Basically. So there's speculation, of course, that the”

Bernie is responsible for a couple of their appearances, including Sharon Renwick in May 1986 and Barbara Western in June 1986. And based on what the evidence they talk about in the documentary, I absolutely think that they were responsible for those two appearances. And then there's also the disappearance of Lisa Mont in 1980 and it looks like that was David in doing for sure. I mean, there's just no way that wasn't. So that's the, the more house murders. Holy shit, dude. I went

dark. That was crazy. They're all horrible. But I mean, that was like, like, so fun. It makes so much sense now why so many people brought up the Bernie says because it was a normal suburb and it was a normal couple that everyone thought was just, you know, and you look deep into it and there's so many fucked up points to it. There's so many creepy details and, you know, you can't judge a book by it's cover. Yeah, it's so fucked up. And you can't judge a book by the baby seat in the back. Yeah,

exactly. It's just this thing of not understanding how, how, what you can't understand how one person would do it to begin with. Ted Bundy, I can't understand how anyone would do what he did. And then you see these two people, and it's almost more manipulative and more sinister. And it's, yeah, that's, well, it's like doubles everything because then it's just like, how did you get another individual to be as fucked up as you? And to go into this with you and then what does that

mean about your relationship? And yeah, it's all, it's all that it's just, and just so beyond beyond.

Yeah, amazing. Yeah. So we're not being in a live show, isn't it? What's that? So we're not being

“at a live show, isn't it? Where's our applause? Even clap for us. How do we know when it ends?”

Even have dare you. There's not a applause. We don't know. We're just pinning a cat. I don't know what this is over. Yeah. No real bummed out. And we are back. That's so funny that you wanted applause because we had been doing so many live shows. That's such a funny last thing, making Steven applaud for us because we are now too big. Do you have any updates on this horrible case? I just have one, Katherine's youngest son using an alias has made public statements about the

difficulties of growing up in the shadow of his mother's heinous crimes. He's also said that he supports Katherine receiving the death penalty as well as Kate Moyer's efforts to reform parole laws, which you know. But the idea that like he feels forced and even with an alias, he feels forced to come out and say, yes, I agree. My mom should be killed, where it's like, that's horrible. It's

not for him to say and write. Public pressure should never be like you now speak and answer for

good for him for saying something. It's just true. True. But I mean, like, isn't even true. It's like, it's like, he's just having to do the thing where it's like, well, that's a complete loss.

So now I have to not be shunned by society. Right. Family members and friends should never be

put in that position in my opinion. Totally. I expected to be that big hit either way. Yeah. But definitely watch hounds of love. It's a 2016 Australian movie. That's like based on this story, kind of loosely, but there's a lot of factual stuff in it and that movie has fucking stayed with me. Okay. Great. Well, now we're going to head back into the episode for a much-needed segment,

“good things of the week. Now we have to do one positive thing. Oh, yeah. That's right. What's yours?”

Okay. So mine is, um, I am so obsessed with it. It's our new. Like, everyone now needs to go watch it because we're all in a fucking low place because of that story. So now it's like the Bob's burger thing. Yes. Now go turn on, go to Netflix and turn on Big Mouse. Yes. It's Nick Crawl and John Lane use new cartoon coming of age, but fucking dark and hilarious. It is so fucking that I want to cry. And since I were watching it and we're just amazed the whole time.

Oh, that's great. So good. That's great. Yeah. I definitely have that pause when people that I know and love and admire have something come out. I have, I do like a three month pause on it. Yeah. And I just wait to hear people say because I get nervous. I'm afraid of people's thing is bad.

Yeah. Then if it is, or here it might be, then I just go, I've just pretend it never exists. Right.

And I don't have to like have an opinion one more. I completely understand. I vetted it for you.

“It is so sweet and so good and so wonderful. I believe it. Because it crawls truly one of the”

funny people. Nick crawls is so funny and then she's proved to me like he can't do anything fucking wrong. No, he just knows what he's doing. He is so good. It's show is darling. It's, it's a darling, also being like weirdly dark and funny. It's just great. That's great. Yeah. Watch it. I watched a movie on the flight home from Florida, which was kind of a beast. It was like a six hour flight. Yeah. That we took. So I was like, when I do that, I'm always like, okay, that means three

movies. Yeah. You can do three movies. I do it. I fucking every day. I lay on the couch and watch nine movies. I'm your dog's bothering you the whole time too. A little piece of quiet. Yeah. Maybe some fun strangers are going to get into an argument. Snacks? Who knows? Snacks? You know, I mean, new thing these days is, and I don't know why this is how insane I am. When they come around

and offer snacks on flights, I'm always like, no, thank you. I'll, I'll eat the worst shit in the world.

Okay. I just don't want them to know that you're. I just try to pretend like I'm some kind of an island like drink. No. Thank you. I do. I need nothing. I do bought water. Right. Do you want some pretzels? No. I'm not reliant on your snacks and beverages. I do not need you. I am self-sufficient in my movies. So crazy. But that wasn't, that's not my thing. Okay. I wanted to be. That's not my good point. It's my independence from Planned Snacks. That's it. That makes me happy. I will say this

not to do a commercial for JetBlue in any way. We, when either here and are there about them, except that weird thing they had where they had a little, they trust you to get your own snacks. You can walk up to where the bathroom is and across from the bathroom, there is a refrigerator with every drink in it and then a weird cupboard with a ton of snacks in it. It's like you're an adult and you can fucking police yourself and you're not going to jam a bunch of cheese at

bags into your purse because everyone can see you. Right. Really, please. So it's like when I went to get, I was like, oh, I want to see what they have but then I noticed that you would have to open the door to look and see what the snacks were. I ate cookies. Did you? Yeah. Were they good? Yeah. No, they're fine. Is that what makes you happy? I brought a ginger ale. No. I brought a pack to my seat and then I watched this movie that my friend had told me was

good. My friend Molly told me was good already but it's the Jeremy Renner Elizabeth Mary O. Olsen movie called Wind River and it's about a murder that takes place on a native American reservation and it is so well done and it is a female writer director and it should be

“getting way more press and way more attention. I think it did really good at festivals and that's how”

like it popped in the first place and why it's like on a jet blue. Yeah. It's really interesting Elizabeth Olsen is one of the greater actors of her generation. Do you ever see Martha Marcie Mae Marlene? That movie? If you haven't seen that movie, you got it. It's about a girl that just left a cult. Oh, I'm missing out. It's great. That's from like probably four or five years ago maybe.

into this thing and at the end it does one of those like true facts go up onto the screen and

“Native American women go missing on reservations constantly and there are no reports about it.”

Oh my god. Ever anywhere ever. Yeah. No one looks into it. No one makes no one investigates it and so whatever happens on this land whoever's there and whatever they do young women go missing or women go missing and they just don't no one does anything about it. And it's it was very upsetting. Like the story itself is good and very emotional. It's really well told a moment. But then that fact toy at the end that's like this is kind of why we made this

movie is so upsetting. It's a thing we kind of know. Yeah in general. Yeah. But to know that specifically about like indigenous people of America is insanely fucked up and I just encourage everybody to kind of take it all in and and go look into it. Okay. And because that woman is really, really talented who put all that whole thing together. And then watch Bigmouth so you stop crying exactly like take that in. Yeah. Get the full weight once again of underrepresented people. Right.

The marginalized people. Right. And then Bigmouth Bigmouth at the end of it. Watch Bigmouth. For some I just know that there's tons of like in that on that show there's tons of stuff about

him like because it's basically him and puberty. Yeah. Yeah. So good. I'm fucking um,

my erud off her character. I can't, I can't give it away. It's a farm on monster. It's so fucking good. I want to cry. It's so good. I can't wait to watch it. Everything about it is beautiful. Okay. We are back from our good things. We're back and before we pick a title like just I need a 2026 corrections corner because and it's so funny. Oh yeah. Oh my god. I was so excited and proud of the female writer director of Wind River Taylor Sheridan who is such a man. He is entirely a man.

My mistake. My apologies to both Taylor Sheridan and women. We can make Wind River and anything like it and more and we have and we will again. I mean you had a 50/50 chance of getting that one. Well I guess not. Who knows of the percentage for 50/50? Nowadays it's a lot.

Nowadays it would be wrong if I didn't know. And I think I learned it on the first time I

happened by Yellowstone and then I was like oh I guess second. I've been tricked. She tricked me. All right so this episode was originally titled "Go Get Your Thing" which we love but if we were naming it today based on some fucking Randall thing we said in the episode. I mean I would absolutely name it Monte Cristo as a private sandwich which is what you're talking about what it's like to eat

“Monte Cristo's. I stand by that. Yeah it's true. Also if you have to eat with a fork in a knife”

is it still a sandwich? That's I think the new hot dog is a sandwich to bake. Yeah that's right. I think that it totally disqualifies it as a sandwich because then what is remaining that keeps it a sandwich? Right. Yeah and if there's like an egg on it if you couldn't pick it up without being a fucking disgusting human being then it is a sandwich so. Then it's just the shape of a sandwich that has to be dealt with like flat food. Right it's like a casserole more than it is a sandwich.

I know you don't want to but I do think we need to start this food podcast pretty soon

because this is compelling content. You're always good at talking about food.

I can't wait to do the rewind of the first episode about is this a sandwich podcast. That comes out of oh my god and Vincent Vincent Joe de Rosa can't see us because they already had this sandwich podcast idea. Right okay we can also call it I thought of your pig people.

“Oh yeah. I'm about the orchard. Orchard. Of course. You know you love pig people and I think”

if you often when they come up. Thank you. Also the horse won't start. That's pretty good. That's a good one. That would be funny if the horse wasn't start. All right well is that it? Did we do it? I think we did it. I mean it's that for our part. We're done right now 2017 S has to wrap it up. Oh my god 37 year old Georgia has to talk now. Don't let her do that. It's just a mistake to let 37 year old stock. Oh that's too bad because we have nine years of it so. Oh good. Okay great. Well let's take a

bye from 2017. Thanks for listening. Thank you. Thanks for listening you guys. Thanks for being here with us once again and we appreciate it and you guys are the best. Thank you for everything. Thank you.

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