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Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. [MUSIC PLAYING] Hello, and welcome to rewind with Karen and Georgia. This is that show where we recap our early episodes with case updates and hot take revisions

and all the unlock memories we can master. Today we're rewinding to episode 95, which we named Jesus, which doesn't sound funny, but it's with a G. So that's very clever of us. [LAUGHS]

It's a perfect reading joke for a podcast. This episode originally came out on November 16, 2017. OK, let's get into the intro of episode 95, Jesus. [MUSIC PLAYING] OK, let's get in.

Yeah, let's get real in. Put your hands in prayer position. And rub them together a little bit, just a little bit of friction. This is ASMR. No?

That's right. And get ready for-- And throw the dice. This is my favorite murder. Featuring Georgia Hardstock and Featuring

Karen Kilgara, with a sidebar element of Stephen Ray Morris right over there on the ground. There you go.

We're expecting to be, and he always is.

I'm cozy. He's cozy. He's there. I would never be cozy sitting in a position that Stephen is. I bought for him a chair.

Can we-- can we go ahead and-- it's how he likes it. Yeah. He's like a yoga. He must be.

Yeah. Well, he's fucking young. And you can sit however you want when you're young. That's pretty sad that I don't need to know it or not.

It's like not that I'm-- I'm so old. He's very young. He's like, yeah, man. All the cartilage in his knees is still there.

Nothing is broken. [LAUGHTER] Hi.

We're back from our amazing leg of the tour at Yaronen, Texas.

I knew that would be special. I knew that trip would be a special trip. It was so good. I mean, they all really are in their own way. And that sounds cheesy, but it really is true.

Yeah. And these ones were great. They were just so great in every way. I mean, why name them? Right.

But they were just were. Many ways. So all the ways. There's so many ways you can just imagine. Somebody did make me.

And I'm sorry, I don't know your name off hand. But it was the second nine in Dallas, and a woman came up and just handed me a very beautiful silver box and inside. She made a box full of moth cookies.

So it was the box of moths that I fear, but in cookie form, which I don't fear, right?

“And I think it may have erased my phobia”

of getting a box of moths in the mail. It happened. And you were happy about it. There no one got hurt. It was delicious cookies.

Are you scared of getting dead moths in the mail or live moths? Live. Like opening a box and having moths lie into my face. Open your face. Like silence at the lamp style.

Yes. And it's all, is it the moths also? Or is it just or is it also the connotation of what would mean for one to take the time to send you a box of moths? Yeah, how creepy specifically that would be?

Yeah, although I'm not exactly sure, whenever we were talking about that, it just came out of my mouth. Right. And that's half of this fucking pocket.

This is called like a journey into the subconscious

that we never want to talk about again.

“Well, remember that-- so we were in Dallas.”

And we met in the lobby of the hotel and when we were leaving for the show, when we were both like-- someone knocking your door and hand you a present. And I had been freaked out because I got to knock on the door and like who the fuck is it?

It was like the concept of whatever a guy that worked there. A guy that worked there, which like, you know what I'm doing? Fucking knock me out your door anyways when you're alone out of the shower. And he is like, he, you know, said someone had given a present so I opened the door, which I don't know what I was thinking.

Handed me a gift bag, and then I was like, "Okay, someone knows where I'm staying now." And this is creepy and scary. And I don't know who this is. Yes.

And then it happened to you, too. And it happened to me, and I, this is the part of the brag that I want to tell the most, which is that our rooms were so big and beautiful at that hotel, that someone would knock on the door. This happened to me multiple times.

And it would take me so long to get to the door that they would either knock again or try to open the door. No. Well, but it would be like, say, it would turn down

or the mood or something like that because I always forget

to put that leave me alone thing on the door. I always forget. I always want to hear really. Yeah, I'm finnight fucking, this is how compatible we are. At the moment, we don't close the door to the hotel room

before putting the leave me alone. I got an adapt to that. Oh my God. Because there's nothing worse than one a person comes into your room. They don't want to be there with you there.

And it's like you're being a creep by having not put the sign on the door. So anyway, the guy knocked, I was walking over, knocked again. And I said, who is it? No one answered.

Knocked again. I said, who is it, but it was close enough to-- I thought maybe it was you joking around. And I did a pants-on. So then I was like, oh, I'm just going to open the door.

It was our funny joke of opening the door. Yeah. No clothes on. Right. But then--

“That's what I actually think that's happened to come.”

I love surprising with no clothes on. That's my favorite joke. It's pretty good. But I-- so I stood behind the door, opened it. It was a dude.

And he was like, here's a present for you. He didn't say, here's a present for you. Anything but here's a present for you.

And I kept the door so close that I basically only

could fit my arm out, grabbed the bag, pulled it in, and slammed the door. Didn't say thank you, and didn't say anything. And it was really scary. Well, then, of course, we meet the woman

who dropped those things off. Yeah, she's like, oh, did you guys get my bag that I sent you the present? And I was terrified when we were like, how do we look into this?

I'm in the yellow at the front desk. And what's going on? Did you call around Texas looking for the fucking-- Right. Her minds, of course, went in, fucking insane in the way

where if other people could hear us, they'd be like, calm down asshole. So it's like, this is not that big of a deal. I don't know.

“Well, but when the explanation finally came,”

it was like really embarrassed. First we saw her, and she was just like, the sweetest blonde, Texan, like Angel face. So I'm like, all right, this is the girl who's going to kill us.

It's like, okay, it's pretty good when she's fine. She's sweet. She'll do it nicely. But then she was like, did you all get my present? I saw Vince in the park a lot of my hotel.

So I sent it up. Like she just knew that we were staying there. In the most natural non-invasive way possible. All right. She knew.

And this so sent us up some deli-- and also it's the thing that everyone-- we were going crazy for. And everyone in Texas, we learned that there's a-- there's a gas station called Bucky's that's beloved.

And Bucky's makes a product, Steve. And I don't know if you know this already. They make a product called Bvernuggets that are essentially-- Crack cocaine dipped in fucking maple sugar, some shit. There's a poor grind element, but also kind of puffed cereal,

but then maple coating, yeah. And something about it-- It's like, don't worry, it's almost got a cotton candy element. Yes. Because it's just like sugar and air.

But we were eating them like-- I mean, it takes so many of those. And that's what she sent up. It was like the lovely gift of welcome to Texas. Yeah, we were like, "Buck, I'm going to kill us."

That's where we were like, propelling down the side of the building to avoid being in the front. You're so crazy. But it's just that thing of like, I can do one last on the road story. We're like, because that's my favorite of this--

the chicks who's sister, and the sister? Yes. OK. So after the-- after the live shows, we do like a meet and greet thing where we meet so many cool people, like listeners,

and take photos with them, and a lot of them give us presence like boxes of chocolate, of candy moths, or whatever. So one girl, when came in medicine, she was so nice. And she was like, you guys got me through some really hard times. Thank you so much, whatever.

I'm like, great. OK. And then we go to take a photo with her. And as the photo is a got to be taken. And there's like that moment of silence where we all

turned to the camera and are like, fake smile, do a weird pose. And right in that moment, she goes, I'm going to do what the lady did. And then George is going to do what she did. OK. OK.

And George laughed just like, oh, I would, or. Like, George burst out laughing. I was cracking up, because when you're in a horrified position, sometimes, you just laugh. Well, Anne, it was so quiet.

It was like, yes, I'll certainly think of you.

“The tension of like, what the fuck are we going to do?”

Yeah, my sister's dying. My sister's dying. So then George elapsed. Then the pictures, the hair and the silver. Georgia.

I didn't say it like that. You could go or kind of like, don't do that. Well, I was just like that. You would punish me.

You've never punished me before.

Well, you were laughing. I know. I didn't say you were in the wrong. At all. I'll have to reset agree with you.

So I turned to the woman. After the photo, we're like, oh, my God. Both of us are like, are you okay? Yeah, talking about we're like, tell us. I contact turned, you know, circle up.

This will be a moment. This is a thing. And we're here for you. We get it. And then she goes, she is so jealous that she's not here.

Right? She's just talking.

“Using the wrong phrasing right in the moment of silence.”

So it felt like she was basically saying, I'd like to tell you this. Very sad day. Sister is dying. I just just don't know. Sister is dying.

I just have to say it. Yeah. So now we know how I react in the moment of fucking horror. And now we know. I don't know.

It was hilarious. That's about it. It was super, and also she thought it was kind of funny. Once we were like, we thought your sister was dying. And then she was like, oh, no, no, she's fine.

We were like, mad at her. Yeah. Because that was a lot. I do have a corrections corner. Okay.

And this really is only for the people that were at our second show in Dallas.

I did the story of Terry Hoffman, who was this crazy coat leader. It was one of my favorites. The murder stories I've ever done. But at the end, I said she died in 1997, which is very odd. I like pulled it out because I didn't have it on the page.

Right. And I'd forgotten to write. I had some things notes I wanted to make. And I just didn't do it. So I just want to tell everybody.

She actually died in 2015 at age 77. That is a big difference in time. She just kept going. She was just like, not giving up on this cold dream. No.

She wasn't at all. And she, she, that book that she made was the color of money. The power of color. Mm-hmm. Money force or the, or the color of money power force.

It's some bullshit book about like, and we talked about it that night. Whatever color you wear is going to bring you money in different degrees. No. How about a fucking vintage orange clown blanket? Is that going to bring me a lot?

I look, there's a $50 bills. I don't know, let's just where I keep my money. Oh, oh, just stuff right under your luncheon. Mm-hmm.

I have a second corrections corner.

Okay. This is for everybody. Last week, I said that the director of Wind River was a woman. And it certainly is not a woman. I don't remember any of this.

Um, I, I'm not sure exactly where I got it. But it was the movie that I was talking about. I watched it on the plane. Uh-huh. And it was really good. It was about the murder on, uh, in like, uh, Native American land.

Right. And it was, uh, so I said, if it's Taylor, I'm going to look it up really quick. The director's name, uh, is Taylor Sheridan. Mm-hmm. And, um, that's a man.

Taylor isn't, uh, interchangeable name. It is. But I feel like I should have at least glanced at a Wikipedia.

“But I think I, I, I thought I remembered a female woman of,”

of like, a Native American female woman getting, getting acclades. And so I kind of really combined it all in my mind. Anyway. Okay. Props to Taylor Sheridan.

Because it's such a good movie. Okay. I'll watch it. Can I tell you something? Yes. From the internet?

Yes. Okay. I found an article recently. Mm. It says, uh, the, the, the, it's from a, the play.

It's a DC 101 is that is like a, is the name of the website. And it says, we're news. The voice behind many bestselling books on tape is actually a serial killer. No. So it turns out that in, no, in the 80s, a blind couple showing their appreciation

to the prisoners at the California Medical Facility State Prison, who have voiced, uh, they, they started a program to have the, inmates their voice audiobooks. Okay. It was, the program was then run by our friend at Kemper.

No. So it's called Volunteers of Vacuil or the Blind Project. Um, they were recorded thousands of books, best-sellers, text books, mystery, science fiction, Western, Western's children's books and cook books on to tape cassettes from 1977 to 1987, Kemper had spent over 5,000 hours in the recording booth

including, and this is the best one, flowers in the fucking attic. Addicts, addicts, addicts, addicts.

“Addicts, addicts, addicts, addicts, addicts, addicts, addicts, addicts, addicts, addicts, addicts, addicts, addicts.”

Why do I do that? Okay. But, purely based on Mind Hunter, the wonderful series on Netflix that I personally love. And the way that actor played at Kemper. Oh, can you?

Imagine flowers in the attic as that guy in the could kind of nerdy voice like that. She touched his coin. Is that in the book? I don't know. If I knew a sound.

Mr. and Brother touching groins. My brother liked that. We have to track that down somewhere.

I mean, I would never listen to that in a million years.

I would. What if I started falling asleep to that at night? Because you know, it's relaxing. No, it is not. Homing and relaxing.

No. It's been at my new fall asleep in my books. And then I kill a bunch of people. And they're not related at all. I find, and I've already bragged that I'm sound sensitive.

I find people's voices to be a real maker break. And knowing that a person who had that voice. Oh, right. Was also a psychotic killer who beheaded his own mother. Be a hard break for you.

That would be a tough one to separate. And not hear all the crickly crags of insanity and murdering there. There and stuff. So I can listen to a book about murder while falling asleep. But I can't listen to it.

I shouldn't listen to a book by a murderer. Read by a murderer. I don't think so. I don't think you had that hearing subconscious.

Because you did the thing or, you know,

“like, you look at old photos of a murder and you're like, "Do I see it?”

Can I see it?" Yes. I can see it in his eyes. Right. Well, here it is in his voice.

You absolutely will. Of course I will. Time to think. Yes. If nothing else, you're to be hearing the voice of a sociopath who has no human,

like, normal human connection to the book. He's just not going to do the book justice. He read so much VC. And who's when I was like, "God, we should have been taken away from us." It should have been banned.

But listen, I'm not for banning books. No. Not really. But VC Andrew has some shit going on. Do you ever read my sweet-auderna?

Yes. Okay. I obsessed on that.

What if my parents have brainwashed me?

And I don't remember my actual child. Like, that whole concept was unbelievable. Can I tell you how badly I wanted to have been adopted? And I wanted to have been kidnapped by my parents. And I weren't really my parents.

Yep. What the fuck is wrong? Why would they? Because it's just like exciting. Like you're just sitting there in front of your TV dinner.

You know, anything like having your normal life. And you're like, "What if something happens?" It's like cool happen. Yeah. Like I didn't belong here.

Let's read that again. Let's book leather right now. Yes. Do you want to? Yes.

Oh my God. Let's all read which one do you want to do? Do you want to do my sweet-auderna? I don't remember most of my sweet-auderna. But it gives me chills.

So I must know if something is going on in that book. I'm pretty sure that's the one where at one point the adoptive mother. Somebody scrubs somebody else with bleach in a bathtub. Fun. Do you remember that?

No. Like you must get clean. And had clean. No, let's do it. If it's not that one, it's a difference.

Let's do that one or flowers in the attic. Let's start with which we start with. I kind of want to do my sweet-auderna just because it's a little bit. Like I just rewatched. They did the flowers in the attic.

There's the attic made for TV movie on lifetime. Did you watch it Steven? Did malls do an episode? No, but she should. No, she's absolutely.

“Wait, will you tell her I'll do it with her if she does it?”

Yes, yeah. Do you want to do it too? Sure. The malls has a podcast called Mother Masley with podcasts. We both are on where you watch a fucking made for TV lifetime movie.

Yeah. And did she stop doing it? She's seasonal. Because you know, you go beat by beat of the movie. So she has it in 15 episode chunks.

Takes a few months off. Oh, well, then we all have time to absorb it. Watch it 15 times. Like, right, you know, full essays on it. No, okay, go.

It malls. Molly McLean. Molly McLean. Molly McLean. We're coming at you.

Coming for you. But everybody else that wants to do this. Let's all read my sweet-auderna. Do you want to go pick up copies tomorrow? Sure.

Today, it will be. It has to be a huge paperback copy. It has to be a haunted copy. Yes. That's haunted with the tears of a fucking girl from the 80s.

Who's like, I hope I get kidnapped. Yes. I caught that out. But fantasies. If you can go to a thrift store that has the copy of this or your mother.

Her grandmother's books bookshelf. It makes me think of the cabin we used to stay in in blue lake. That had all kinds of it's Stephen King, VC Andrews.

You could just go pick some horrible book. You're going to read while you were there for the week. Some of the amazing. So we're going to. We're all starting my sweet-auderna this Friday.

Yeah, because so the next week is Thanksgiving. So we're putting a live episode up. And so let's meet back here in a week in two weeks. In two weeks at the beginning of December. Yeah.

Whatever our next apartment episode is. We'll meet here. And we will have red. And we will be ready to discuss my sweet-audering guys. This is epic.

Epic. Send us notes. Your thoughts. Oh, all right. Okay, why am I so excited?

“Oh, because it's the best thing we've ever done.”

Come on. We're doing it all free look. We're here for you. Look and listen. Please.

My favorite murder.com. Goodbye. Dot org. You know. Dot.

What's it? Is there like a religious one? Dot something dot GESUS? GESUS. You just felt Jesus wrong.

Miss Catholic. That's because I was trying to include everybody. Some people go on God. Some people go on Yahweh. Hold on GESUS.

Wow. That's my I think my attic. My attic does has when you served as a. I do not mean to complain. But the blame recently I've been in.

States of mind of being so tired and drained. Yeah. Or just like. We just talk too much. There's so much talking that I hear things come out of my mouth.

Or I'm doing that weird thing. I've like, you hold a door open for someone and they walk through. And then you're like, you're welcome tomorrow. Or you say just some totally weird thing. And you think you're saying the normal thing.

Yeah. I got it. Horrible. It's fine. No, it's not.

It's a good time.

Um, who's first this week?

You know what we started. Let's let's talk about this really quickly. Okay. We decided them.

“And I think we should talk more about this of who should be first this week.”

Meaning if your fucking murder is horrifying and awful. And I have a fucking delightful black widow from the fucking eighteen hundred. Who's just like, it's all her husband. Yeah. It's like, well, I should go second to like bring it back up.

That's right. Last week I went second and did the burnies. And that is just a terrible story. And you should have closed it. Right.

And same with remember the last night, I did the story of the boy that killed his father. Right. And same exact thing where we both like. I did a fucking guy who dressed up as Santa Claus in the early 1900s in Rob Bank. And it was hilarity ensued.

So much hilarity ensued. And this is Dallas third night in Dallas. Was it third night? I don't know. And no idea.

So I should have closed. So we can we can look back and remember. Oh, we want but we're maybe maybe when one of us knows we're doing a murder. Our story is a fucking horrific. And we can tell the other person like, hey, this isn't a closer.

Are you? Can you do the closer? Yes. That sounds fine. Okay.

So mine right now. It can be a closer if you need it to be. Okay. Okay. Oh my god.

Perfect. So we are in first.

Right now we are now officially dismantling the who went first last time.

Unless we need it. Unless it doesn't matter. Unless we how will we go back to it. When we whenever we decide. Okay.

We'll make it up on the spot. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's right. We can do it.

Right. There's no format. This is all pretend. All right. Okay.

Okay. We're back. This is so fun. This rewind stuff because this is stuff that isn't in my memory anymore. Yes.

So I'm like to go back. Yeah. It's really like actually fun. I mean, I'm surprised. Yes.

Honestly. Like the beaver. Bucky's beaver. And I guess like that was such a big deal in our lives then. I know.

It was like Texas. All the sudden was like in our life in this major way. Yeah. My God.

I just never imagined that this would happen that this would be this spot where people are like no we're all there's going to be a shit ton of us.

“I'm going to tell you exactly the secret to living, which is eating these essentially maple syrup corn puffs right out of a bag.”

Yeah. So good. It's just wild that whole time in our life. It's good to see the kind of like being able to separate the hard part from the fun part. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, it's like this is the most fun-washed version of this experience we could have, which is we don't remember the details and it's like oh but remember the fun part. Yeah. Totally. I love that for us.

I love that for us back then because it just I feel so much so much younger and so much like. I never realized that we weren't into the podcast that long when this all this crazy stuff started happening.

The most sexiest thing is because when we were like planning to go on tour, you know, is anyone going to come.

“Our touring agent told us that Texas is one of our biggest markets and I think we're both shocked by that because I always figured people from Texas would hate me.”

I don't know why. Yes. Right. It's like we fell for the big Fox News Live or whatever. It's like there's no enemies anywhere.

There's no it has nothing to do with the state that you live in or anything. You mean we're not the coastal elite and you don't hate us. I mean the great. Also, this is one of our favorite memories of a moment in the VIP where the woman was taking the picture with us and said oh my god my sister was dying. And we thought she died. I don't remember.

We're totally remember. And she goes up jealousy of jealousy. Of jealousy. It was like perfectly the worst time to take a picture cutting her off at that moment in the sentence. It was so fun.

Because that was like that was a beautiful moment. That and that would have relief just from one moment something sad was happening. That was crazy. Oh and also this is my mistake about when River director Taylor Sheridan who is not a woman. Yeah.

And also learning from this specific episode, I thought a native woman. Yes. This is going to follow this thing and every episode you have to bring this out for now on.

Yeah. Exactly. I'll never stop talking about it. But it was like that's it's almost more embarrassing because I'm kind of like trying to what do they call that?

Virtue signaling. Yeah. I love this movie and a native woman directed this in doing everyone. I know. Nope.

No. Turns out the single WGA member that was against the strike and came out and talked about it. That's who I'm actually talking about. Once again, a corrections corner for the ages. And then also I didn't realize we did this so early and I think this is really smart of us if I can say is hey, let's do the more lighthearted stories after the heavy stories.

So whoever's heavier that week goes first like that has made such a huge difference. I think in us in the show and the way we're able to do it. Yes. Like a hub and gnarly fucking story. I'm like, how am I going to do this?

“And then I'll remember that you probably have like a fun heist afterwards.”

So it's okay. And that's the fun the producers get to have where they're not only mapping out our calendar of like when do we get to go and vacation next. Yeah. But they're mapping out how we're going to do this so that it feels like there's some sort of intentionality, which is yes. It's great.

And it's so funny that it took us to a guess a year of touring to be like, hey, here's a little data from the right way. There's what you don't want to go out on is a fucking serial killer. Good night. Thank you and good night. No.

Good night. Who? Yeah. That's we learn not when about as quick as we learn don't do the same story for both of us. Right.

So that was immediate. Oh, God, the silence. All right. So shall we get into your story? Let's do it.

Let's do it. This is Eli Stutesman, the Amish serial killer.

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Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the iHeart Radio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This, um, I, it's funny because in thinking of that, I worked on a couple different murders. And I did this in Texas a couple times.

I'd start something I only like, this is too depressed. Yes. So like, there was the killing fields. I was working on the killing fields because it's right outside Houston. And it is a place where either one or several serial killers go to dump young women's bodies.

It's been going on four years. No one's ever think they got one guy that's connected to 11 murders. But they haven't caught all of them. There's no called the 11 right now that you can watch. I think it's an Annie show on demand.

It was a drought. That me, that's good. On Annie. Well, it's on demand. I don't know who did it.

Oh, okay. That's great. Yeah. Because it's very, it's very involved and convoluted. And I got, I would say a quarter of the way through it.

And then I was like, can't do this is for a live show. Especially it's just so bleak.

“Well, you get so many people at live shows being like, you should it?”

Why didn't you do this murder? And it's like, because it's so fucking depressing. Not because we don't want to. We didn't know about it. Right.

It's just like hearing the audience's silence when you're talking about a fucking 11 people getting murdered who didn't, and it's not solved. Yeah. It's a huge bummer. It's rough.

And also it's, well, whatever. There's just all kinds of elements going on. It's great. So it's just felt like I started and stopped many. Because there's so many dark ones.

But then I stumbled upon an episode of The Television Show Deadly Devotion. Which I think is an idea.

I've never seen that one.

I got it on Apple, like iTunes. Yeah. But so it's basically like murders that happen within certain churches or religious ones. Oh, obviously.

Yeah. So this one is pretty amazing. It's the Amish serial killer. Amish serial killer? Yeah.

Tell me about it. Well, not in the classic sense, but yes. So there's a, I knew nothing about any of this. I didn't know there were subsets of Amish within the Amish. Mm-hmm.

And there are some who are more liberal and some who are more conservative. That sounds political, but more, you know, classic old school. And the Swords and Ruber Amish. I'm sorry. The Swords and Ruber Amish are the considered old order Amish.

They speak Pennsylvania Dutch. I'm a Pennsylvania Germans. I'm not even reading off the page that I'm holding in front of my face.

“I'm like trying to remember off the top of my head as I'm looking at it.”

They speak Pennsylvania German. They speak English without sighters. They don't follow. They don't fellowship or intermarry with more liberal Amish orders. So they won't go outside of their own Amish group.

Like they consider the Amish who put the red, orange reflective signs on the back of their carriages that say like to slow thing. That's too liberal for them. These people don't have running water or indoor plumbing.

They, they, they never write in cars unless it's an absolute emergency.

They, they, they, they, they, they're at belief is that they're not supposed to take interest in their appearance because it promotes vanity.

The women wear longer dresses.

“It's, it's considered vain to wear button on your dress as a woman or like to have buttons.”

So basically they're a huge fucking bummer. You know, it's great about when we do Amish stories is that they can't listen and tell us what we got wrong.

They'll never fucking know a word we're saying.

About those phony bitches. That's phony fucking button. They're so phony. Calling the Amish phony. Call me phony.

Fucking phony's. Okay. Now they're actually the realist. Okay. Um, so they also don't allow the teenagers, you know, normal.

Yeah. Amish teenagers go to get to do their rums bring out where they go out into the world for a year. And party and go crazy. And then they get to come back and learn their like yeah, this is better. And it is better.

They have homemade butter and those barns. Yeah. Um, those, those wood burning stoves. They sell on TV. Um, so this works in trooper.

Amish teenagers do not get to leave. But they do allow them to quote court in order to find a marriage partner, which includes hugging in a bed while being fully closed and rocking and a chair together. So sorry. Yeah. Yeah.

You see him across the room.

“And you're like, oh my god, what is this electricity that I'm feeling?”

Yeah, because I don't know what electricity is because I don't know what this means. I don't know what this means. I'm trying to identify me across. I just held up my hand to hide five Georgia. And she fucking picked up her foot and pointed it up.

He like, I was going to hide five or foot. That was just too far away. That was genius. Okay. This is a good start.

It's a good start. So, so something my sister would do. Okay. So, yeah. So, um, so it's hardcore.

And there's, um, a young woman named Ida, who is raised, you know, she's in the community, her family as well like she's, you know, a pretty young girl that everybody likes. And, um, they, they show this thing in the episode of this show where the, one of the ways that the boys and girls teenage boys and girls mix together is they go sing and groups in a barn. I don't know. So, like, sounds like I'm gonna blast. Right.

They go into the barn. The guys are kind of over on one side singing and then the girls are on their side singing. So, Ida goes to one of these mixers.

“You know, let's have generous weighted by this private.”

And there she meets, um, a fellow Schwarzen-Tuber, Amishman named Eli Stuttman. He's good looking. He's witty. He's sophisticated. He's charismatic.

He was a rebel. The people in this episode. He was a rebel. He was a rebel. He was like, I'm not a, he had a button like, as a pin.

Right. Rebel. Now, he didn't just use it as a button. It wasn't. He just had an extra effect.

Yeah. Superbulous. But, oh my god. Are you the funds? So, the, the people in this episode.

There was this really awesome woman who used to be Amish. And she had the greatest accent. And she was like, so, like, you know, wearing her white turn on that. Yeah. Very, um, but the craziest accent.

You couldn't figure out what that accent was.

And she was saying that he always stood out.

That he was this, you know, he was really good looking. And he just kind of was like, this thing everyone paid attention to. Because he was just different than the other Amish teenage boy. He was the fobio of the Amish world. Totally.

Okay. Um, uh, hit the actor that they got to play him in the reenactments. Looks like the main guy from walking dead. Oh. So he had that bounce.

Sheek bones and kind of like rangey, you know, like something's going on with it. Yeah. He might shoot you, you know. So his father was a bishop. Okay.

And, uh, uh, he was like a rebel. So he was his father and he fought constantly, really, really viciously. Because he would talk and church.

He was always just doing something.

He did whatever he wanted. And the father and made the father crazy and embarrassed. Um, and he couldn't control him. Um, and he was always testing the limits they said. So, um, of course, Ida immediately is like, I'm in love with this love.

Love him, incredible. What am I talking during church? Love him. He's a fucking fighter. I'm just fucking mad at church.

He's whispering during the, during the, then the Bible reading. Okay. So she ends up some people at her parents are worried that she's mixing in with the, you know, a bad omish. Um, but other people say that she have this calming effect on him.

And he was much less rebellious.

Um, and the way they describe it, the omish describe it is when you have these things. They call it being worldly.

“So like, if you're really, um, into your appearance in the vanity thing, that's a worldly issue.”

It means like you're from, from the outside world. Yeah. So, um, uh, his worldly ways created problems in the community and, and with his father specifically. And so he gets in such a bad fight with his father, he leaves the community. And of course, I just devastated.

He never says a word to her.

He just leaves. She's broken hearted. But she knows they're in love. She believes they're in love. And she believes he's going to come back.

Um, so he goes and stays at a different farm. Another omish family. He goes and stays there. Like rents a room. But he ends up getting kicked out because the mother in the family finds gay porn in his room.

Wait, what? Yes, fucking 180. So she's in the reenactment. She's, she's making this bed with a big, beautiful omish quilt on it. And then it's like, what's this over here?

And basically, this was the thing that he had been dealing with as part of his rebellion. And part of his thing.

“What do you, how do you think the omish woman was just like, what is this?”

And she's like, I'm going to take five minutes and then I'm going to tell it. She's like, I better look through this to make sure. Oh my god, where are you? Okay. Yeah, go. So you can imagine how freaked out they were. They were like, they just immediately kick him out of the house.

Where could he even find gay porn? Well, it sounds like he was kind of, he, from the looks of it in the sound of it. He was a bit of a sociopath. So he got what he wanted all the time. So he went to a bucket.

And he was like, he went down to the bucket. He put on his, his worldly suspender so that nobody would, you know, kick him on him. Okay. So, okay. So he ends up moving back into the community. And he tells I'd, that he wants to marry her and start a life. And he's going to reform and he's going to be good.

Mm-hmm. Which essentially was he had nowhere else to go. And so he comes back. He apologizes. He repents.

They get married on Christmas 1975.

“Um, uh, so after a month, she's pregnant and they, they start their family.”

You know, their son Danny is born obviously nine months later. [laughter] Turns out, the homage carry their children for nine months. Just like the worldly folk. Wow.

Um, so, uh, they moved, they, their son Danny's born. And then they moved to a farm and they start a dairy business. So they have a bunch of cows. They milk the cows. They sell the milk. And that's how they make their money.

Mm-hmm. And they all work on this farm. It's really hard work, but they're actually doing okay.

And, um, I had to get pregnant for a second time.

And then one night, there, an electrical storm hits. And they wake up in the middle of the night and elect, uh, a lightning bolt has hit the barn and it's caught it on fire. So they run outside and I'd run straight into the barn. She's like, I'm going to go save those pales of milk.

What? Yes. Girl. And he runs to go to the pump to get to start filling buckets with water. Mm-hmm.

And when he comes back with the buckets of water, I'd as laying in the doorway of the barn, uh, unconscious. And so, they cut, he, you know, gets neighbors. They end up calling 911. Um, and he, when the police and the fire department,

everybody get there, he explains that I know when, when she's a child, she had about a romantic fever. And she, so she had a weak heart. Mm-hmm. And she ended up being dead.

And so they were like, she must have been so scared of this fire and having run in and everything that she just had a heart attack and died. So they list her death as cardiac arrest. Wow. So, um, he, he, of course, is completely grief-stricken.

And the community rallies around him. They all start working at the farm to make sure the dairy farm keeps going. Mm-hmm. He's, he's just in the house. Some people come to take care of Danny because he's just, like, completely beside himself.

Um, uh, and I, as mother, actually moves in to take care of Danny. And slowly, as the months go by, she notices, um, Eli is less and less grief-stricken,

and more and more acting like the rubble that he was before he left the first time.

Mm-hmm. And, um, within months of her death, he has the whole farm electrified. What? Yeah. So there's a really hilarious scene where they just walk in and he's got this big,

really devious smell in his place. He, like, reaches up and pulls at the string and, like, the light goes on in the kitchen,

So he puts in lights everywhere.

He buys a car, he cuts his hair, and he starts leaving the house at night. Mm-hmm. So, I'd his mother's like, "What the fuck is going on?" Mm-hmm. Um, so then it turns out he put an ad in the personal section of a gay newspaper.

Wait, what? Yeah. So he was going to live that secret dream that he wanted to do before. Mm-hmm. And here, this is how the ad read. Oh dear. Omish, man, muscular.

Uh, 30s, 5/7, 140 blue eyes, brown hair.

“Straight appearing, I think, is what that's, STR-APP, right?”

Very happy. Very happy. What? Strafing? Strafing.

What is it? I was thinking to him, they meant, like, straight. Like he seems straight. Okay, got to get it. Um, but it could be Strafing. It's really not.

The brawny man. Very discreet, affectionate, health conscious sense of humor would like to meet others into farming, ranching, or carpentry, for friendship, or possible relationship. So he's going for it. I mean, fine love, dude.

I love farming and ranching are very similar. I'm not sure why he used, he used up those letters to write both. But maybe there's a subtle difference, I'm not sure. Or it could be code. I don't know.

Um, so he starts having parties in the barn. And like, men are cunning. Women are cunning. Yes, men are cunning. You know, this is months after, but men are coming to the ranch.

Uh, gay men. And it says, he, it says here. He starts having parties in the barn for gay, English, and all-mish men.

“So I think it's just like whoever wants to come.”

But basically the entire community starts gossiping.

Because they're just like, "Did you hear?" And he's not being discreet. In the league, he's got lights on. Like, first, first, first starters. Um, so finally, he, there's so much gossip.

And he's so, you know, he goes and tells the family, friends like he's so hurt by all this gossip. Making it seem like it's all malicious and untrue. That he, in 1982, he sells the farming, takes Danny and he leaves. And, um, he settles an Austin Texas.

And, um, it was really hard for Danny to make that adjustment, because he went from being, you know, old school on-nish into just the real world of Austin Texas. So, um, he, he became really withdrawn. He had a really hard time.

Meanwhile, his dad was, basically opens a construction business and just starts freely dating gay men, like dating openly, in a very modern way. Yeah. Um, which, you know, it's the early '80s in Texas.

Yeah. Like, it must have been dangerous to sayably totally. Um, in the fall of 1984, Eli is driving down the road. And he sees a hitchhiker. He picks him up. And his name's Glenn Pritchard.

And Glenn Pritchard is a divorce father of two who used to be Mormon. And, and how to really bad drinking problem. He left the Mormon church. He left his family. Or, you know, maybe his wife divorced him because it was drinking problem.

He tried to join the Coast Guard to solve the problem. He got kicked out. So, now he's just kind of lost. So, Eli, uh, for some job at the construction business, and room and board in the house.

Uh-huh. Um, so he, he actually, um, Danny Eli's son gets along with Glenn really well. And Glenn has two kids. And he really misses his kids.

And so he, you know, takes Danny on as like his own and looks out for him. And he really doesn't like the way Eli's bringing men home constantly. And is done in no way tries to hide it. And Glenn's really uncomfortable like that he's doing it in front of Danny. Yeah.

And he thinks, you know, and tries to talk to him about it. But he doesn't, he, you know, Eli has none of that. And then he's like, well, I also have another problem which is you haven't paid me in six months. Because he's been working, you know, for the construction company. Yeah.

And Eli's not paying. And Eli's like, I have a cash flow problem. I'm going to get you the money.

“He's like, well, you need to get me the money.”

Well, uh, it turns out they find Glenn matured dead in a ditch. He's been shot. And when the police come to talk to Eli, they find his last place of residence. Eli says, I haven't seen him in two months. I don't know what happened to him.

And immediately police are like, there's something going on with this guy.

Um, when they go back to question him a second time, like a week later, Danny and Eli have left town.

Uh-oh. So, um, basically, Eli drops Danny off at a family that he met when he kind of first left, um, Ohio where he where they started out. Um, he bit, there's like a family named the Barlow's and Wyoming that he met.

Yeah.

“And he brings Danny to their house and, um, drops them off.”

Is basically, can you take care of him?

I have to go and like, makes up some reason why he has some business. He has to go take care of. And he's like, I'll be back. Um, and six months later, he calls and says he's coming to get Danny to take him to, Danny's grandparents for Christmas.

So he's going to take him to Ida's parents. Oh, my God. Back to homage country. Danny's thrilled. Um, and, uh, then the grandparents are also thrilled because they hear that they're coming back from holidays.

And so they, they haven't seen Danny in five years. Oh, my God. So they're thrilled that they get to see him again and reconnect. 10 days later, it's Christmas Eve. They don't show up.

Oh, no. So, of course, they're the families really worried. Um,

eventually they get a letter from, they get a letter from Eli saying he's skiing with friends and Idaho.

Um, and then, uh, they, he keeps sending letters just giving them updates on what they're doing out in the world. And sometimes Danny sends letters to just saying, you know, I'm learning this in school and blah blah blah. So then, uh, then the grandparents in July. So it's like, you know, six months after they didn't show up for Christmas, they get a letter saying that Danny was killed in a car accident and buried in Wyoming.

On the family plot of the bar lows, the family that he stayed with. Oh, my God. And the parents, the grandparents are like, well, we, we want to see. Yeah, like, we tell us more about it. And he just doesn't say anything else.

So they end up getting on a bus. These old school, homage people who are not allowed to write in cars. They break the rule. They get on a bus and they go to Wyoming, so that they can go see their grandson's grave. So when they get there, um, they, their, their last name is Gingrich. Uh-huh.

So they get the Gingriches get to the bar lows in Wyoming.

“And they say, will you please show us our grandson's grave?”

And they don't know what they're talking about.

Oh, no. And they're like, the last that we heard is they left, you know, Eli came and picked them up. And, and they were going driving around and we haven't heard anything else. There's, they're, he's not buried here. So then they have to ride back on the bus like now they have no idea what's going on. Uh-huh.

On December 24th, 1985, in Chester, Nebraska, a hunter is walking through a field. Oh, no. Uh-huh. And he sees something across the field. And it's fucking cold, you know, it's Nebraska and December.

Um, he thinks it's a mannequin. He thinks it's a doll. And we come, when he comes up on it, it's the body of a young boy in blue. pajamas laying on his back with his hand over his heart. And it's so cold outside that the, the skin is blue. And he's dead.

And authorities can't identify him. There's nothing identifying on him. So they end up calling him little boy blue. And two years later, readers die just does a story about little boy blue. And the hunter who found them.

“And how there was no sign of trauma on the body.”

They don't know how he died. And they don't, the authorities hadn't figured out a, uh, cause of death. They just know he was wearing blue pajamas. So the barlow's, uh, find this story.

Uh, find this story in reader's digest magazine. No. They know that when Danny left their house, when Eli came to pick him up, he was wearing blue pajamas. Shut the fuck up.

Uh, yeah. So they have a bad feeling. And they go to police or they call police. Then at least come over. And the investigator, who was on the scene when the body was found,

is the one that goes to the barlow's house. And they go pull out a picture of Danny. And he immediately knows that's the boy. And they end up taking some of the things that Danny left behind at the barlow's house.

One of which was a copy of the veletine rabbit book, which was his favorite book. Oh. And they fingerprint off of the pages of that book. And they identify it.

And it was his body. Oh. It says that. So, um, on December 14th,

it's identified as Danny Stotsman. And they realize Eli has been sending letters from Danny to the Grandparents seven months after Danny was actually dead. And he died immediately after leaving the barlow's house. Probably because he was pretty much exactly right.

You know, text us town out. I believe it was outside Fort Worth. Eli files a police report because his car gets stolen. And immediately the police go and arrest him. And he's extradited to Wyoming.

Uh-huh. Um, so when he gets there, he tells the police that he picked Danny up from barlow's. And he was sick when he picked him up. And he, they were driving on night.

And, um, Eli just assumed that he was sleeping.

And he figured out that he was dead.

“So he took Danny's body and laid it out in a field,”

quote, where God could find him. Uh-huh. Yeah. So,

and upon learning this and that bullshit story, they police reopenitis death from 1977. And they go talk to Ida's doctor who is in this special. And he is like this. I'm assuming he's an almost doctor because he's.

He looks like. And a character actor from Lil House in the prairie. And he kind of talks like this. Ah.

And basically the police went to them.

And they were asking. Uh-huh. About Ida's heart problem. And he's like, what are you talking about? She didn't have a heart problem.

Uh-huh. And they're like, but. And he goes, where did you get that? And they were like, the husband.

And he's like, no, no, no. She was in perfect health. So then they know, basically,

“that he had something to do with that death.”

But they have no evidence to connect him to it whatsoever. Um, when the, the Austin police, um, ask him about Glenn Pritchard's death, though. He changes his story from what the original story was.

And he tells them that he was in the house with Danny. They heard a gunshot go off. But he didn't get up and check to see what the noise was. And then, yeah, right? How you would do if you were in a house right?

Someone else got shot. And then the next morning when he got up to check, Glenn was gone.

And so he, you know, he didn't know what happened and never looked into it.

Um, so. Turns out when the police go to talk to the neighbors, the neighbors are like, we could hear them screaming about money at each other constantly. And we heard the gunshot.

Oh, my God. So that, like, the neighbors tell a totally different story. And so basically, the theory becomes Danny was there when his father shot Glenn Pritchard. And he didn't want the witness.

So he smothered Danny.

“And that's why there was no signs of trauma on the body.”

Oh, my God. Yeah. And then left his body in a fucking field, which is just the weird, like that alone. The idea that he thought he was going to be able to tell authorities that,

like, left him where God could find him. Where it's like, like, you thought that was okay somehow. Or it's like, no one would think that was okay. You would, you would never do that to your child. No.

It doesn't even make sense. Anyway, on August, in August of 1989, he sentenced to 40 years in prison. But he's enrolled in March of 2002. He ended up serving like a quarter of his terms.

Stop it, everyone. But when he gets out, he moves to Fort Worth. He lives a super low-key life because he found out while he was in prison that he had HIV.

Oh, my God. So he ends up on January 31, 2007. He committed suicide. He slashed his wrists, sat down, and chair, and then watched TV until he'd pulled out and died.

Holy shit. Yeah. And that Eli Stuttman is the Amherst serial killer. So it's not serial in the way that we would love it to be. Well, listen, we don't want, we don't love it.

No, not love it. But like, I'm thinking Buffalo Bill when I start this story. But then it is the thing of this is a associate path slash psychopath who just would kill anybody that got in the way of what he wanted to do in his life.

And the idea that that's coming out of, it's just like, it just fascinates me. It doesn't matter how you grew up. It doesn't matter where you came from. If you have that thing in your brain that makes you

only want to win and dominate people. It doesn't matter. If you're like immune to fucking empathy. And but they have your immune to it. Yeah.

You don't give a shit. It's crazy. You just do what you want. And then you leave so many people in your way. You know, grant the grandparents.

Poor people. All of that. And you just don't fucking care. And that again, just over nose, deadly devotion. That was that.

Basically, I just told you that episode of deadly devotion.

Which I, that's really enjoyed. I love that. Never heard of it. We're proud of it. Not just the show, but like the the concept.

Yes. Yeah. The rape. Okay. We're back, Karen.

Do you have any updates? I do. So there's this author named Greg Olson, who's written a couple books about Eli, who's a great man.

And one is called the Amish wife unraveling the lies. Secrets and conspiracy that let a killer go free. And it just basically is the deep dive into it as death.

but also about Eli's crimes.

It's a deep dive. So there's a bunch more information. The facts that have come to light and the evidence about the timeline. Everything, the chronology, whatever about this crime. So if you are into this and want to know more.

“This is the author that you should look up.”

So with that, let's get into Georgia's story about the Springfield 3. Asha degree and Bobby Dunbar. Do you remember when Diana Ross, double tap little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Oh, what went kind.

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Okay. People. Right. This like when I said that this is a close. This is a close or I didn't mean it was like a lighthearted story. So I'm okay.

Not happy about it. But there's no like there's not a ton of like gross. There's no gross some details in it. I mean, I feel like if we ever sat down and did like a scientific. Oh, pie graph or something.

Yeah. It would be like the one you can't get out of is dead children. Right. Murdered children is the hardest. Right.

Okay. Well, then this is a little bit. All right. Let me just do this. Okay.

Okay. In the in honor of what we talked about last weekend last week of like, websites like Ranker and all these of like the lists that they do. Yes. This is these is three super mysterious just appearances.

Okay. All right. Yes. Let's do it. I'm changing the rules.

I love it. Okay. Whatever you want. I'm starting with the Springfield three.

Okay. This is so.

“This is just weird to me because there's there's not let's read about it.”

Okay.

The Springfield three story begins June 7, 1992.

Two friends. Susie Streeter. She's 19. And Stacy McCall. She's 18.

So picture the bangs and the fucking bleach blonde hair. Um. They. Uh. The two girls graduated from kick a poo high school the day before.

And so they're celebrating like graduation. Um. That sort of thing. Yeah. And they are seen around 2 a.m. on June 7.

Leaving the last of the graduation parties. They attended that evening. They were supposed to spend the night at a friend's house. But when they got to the front house. It was too crowded.

Probably with people sleeping and not sleeping. So they were like, fuck it.

We're going back to Susie's house.

And at Susie's house was Susie's mom Cheryl Levitt. She's 47. She's a cosmologist at a local salon.

“She's a single mother and she's really close with her daughter.”

So they go back to her house. The next morning around 9 a.m. Um. A friend her boyfriend go to the house to pick up. Um.

Because the two girls were supposed to have picked them up to go to like a water park for the graduation activities. Blah, blah, blah. When they get there. They find the front door unlocked. And they go in the house, but there's no sign of any of the three women.

Um. Each of their cars are parked outside and all their personal property is left behind, including their purses, money, keys, cigarettes, as well as the family dog who's super agitated and locked in the bathroom. Why?

So they're like, what the fuck? The only weird thing at the scene is that the glass lamp shade of the porch light had been shattered. But the bulb inside had been left intact. So the boyfriend sweeps the broken glass up to be helpful. Um.

And uh. They while they're inside, they also answer a strange and disturbing call from a night night. Unidentified male who made sexual into windows. And you end us. To who answered the phone?

The girl of the couple. Oh, oh, is there. Yeah, so they went to check on them. The girl answers the phone. So immediately a dirty phone call.

The dirty phone call immediately. She hangs up and then another call immediately comes in. Again, a sexual nature and she hangs up again. Um. Let's see.

So they. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

There. Another. The mother of the girl. Um. Stacy.

Who wasn't. Who didn't live at the house. She later goes to visit the house. To be like where so fucks my daughter. I can't get a hold of her.

And um. She inside notices all three of the purses are there. Of course. She's her daughter's clothing neatly folded from the night before. She calls the police and after placing the call.

While checking the phone to answering machine. She finds a strange message left. Um. But somehow it was inadvertently erased the message. So we don't know what the message is.

What she just said it was a weird message.

“I think it was like another sexual nature message.”

So. Police were very interested in the calm believed it may have been contained. It contained a clue. Um, but it's fucking gone. Just gone forever.

gone forever. Because this is early 90s like. Was it still like a answering machine with tape in it? Yeah. I think so, right?

We just were you rewind it. Yeah. And record over it. They still existed then. Yeah.

Although there was, um, you know, that. Well, in our household anyway, we got the, like, call. The, the, the answering machine became, it was just in your phone. Right.

It was basically got ordered what you wanted.

Right. It would take messages. But then you could also get. That's when star 69 made its grand day. But I remember when he had that, that, like, silver and black fucking message.

Machine with a tiny cassette inside. And you would listen to a message. And then you re wound the tape. And record it over it. And then you could get new messages, which you could only get as many messages as

for as could be, uh, left on that little cassette. I fucking loved that machine. Yeah, it was fascinating. It is amazing. Yeah.

This is Chris. Okay. Um. So the police aren't called for 16 hours after the women were last seen at 2 am the night before. Okay.

Um, and other worried friends and family called and visited the home that day, which means a fucking shit ton of people walk through the house during the day. 10 to 20 people walk through the house. Um, upon arrival, the officers noticed no signs of a struggle except for the shattered porch light.

And, uh, they also noted that the beds had been slept in. So, so had been had been. Oh, so in 1997, uh, Levin and Streeter are declared legally dead.

Investigators received a tip that the women's bodies were buried in the foundations of the

South Parking Garage at Cox Hospital.

“So in 2007, crime reporter Kathy Beard brought a man named Nick Rick Norland, a mechanical engineer”

to Springfield to scan the corner of the parking lot with ground penetrating radar. Hmm. He found three, um, anomalies roughly the same size quote that he said were consistent with a grave site location in the foundation. Two of the anomalies were parallel and the other was perpendicular.

So like kind of like cross hatched. The Springfield Police Department didn't believe the scan was conclusive enough to justify tearing up the concrete and also set up the parking garage was completed a year after the women's disappearance. Hmm.

But they could have been left somewhere. Right. So it was never tore up. But people think it's there. Then Reddit's also like, here's how you're fucking wrong.

It's not. Oh, you know. Okay. So then in 1997, Robert Craig Cox. He's in prison in Texas as a convicted kidnapper and robber.

And the suspect in a Florida murder, he told journalists that he knew where the three

women had been murdered and buried and claimed their bodies would never be found.

He in 1997 at the time, he had been living in Springfield, but had alibiised for the night. But it was like his girlfriend at the time, who has since been like nobody was fucking lying about it. Yeah.

“He said that he would disclose to what what he would disclose what happened to this three”

women after his mother had died. But he would happen. And as of today, a couple tips a month still come in. No one knows what happened at this Springfield three. Oh my god.

Yeah. These three fucking women. And that guy's mother hasn't died. I guess not. But he's never went to jail.

But everyone also thinks he's lying. Oh, he's just trying to get some kind of. Yeah. But a kidnapper from that neighborhood. You know?

Yeah. It's just crazy. That's super crazy. Yeah. Okay.

So the next one is, okay.

So girl name, Aisha Decree. I'm sorry. Aisha Degree. She's born. Aisha's born August 5th, 1990.

She's a fucking normal nine year old fourth grader from Shelby, North Carolina. Normal girl. Happy family, et cetera. The night at February 14th, 2000. Aisha and her brother went to sleep.

As usual in the room, they shared her older brother. Almost an hour later, the power went out in the neighborhood after a nearby car accident. Which is fucking creepy and weird, but isn't connected to this. But I think it's just creepy. Yeah.

Um, it's restored. And then after that her dad, Harold returns home from work around 12 30 in the morning. He checks on his daughter in son, just saw them both sleeping, normal. But shortly after he went to bed around 2 30. And he recalls hearing Aisha's bed squeak.

At that point, allegedly, Aisha got out of bed. Took a book bag, she had previously packed with several sets of clothes and personal items and left the house. She's got her to this. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy.

She's a nine year old. Yes. Leave. Between 345 am and 415 am, two drivers saw her walking south along Highway 18, wearing a long sleeve white t-shirt and white pants. And one witness reported seeing her at about 4 a.m.

And said that he turned his car around because he thought it was strange. That's such a small child would be out by herself at that hour. But when he circled three times, he saw her run into the woods by the roadside and disappear. Oh, it's just bone chillin. I know.

I know. You're dry. Say you're driving home. You went to a party. You're like, I want to leave.

I don't want to be at this party. Yeah. I feel like please just stay two more hours. Black, blue, blue, blue. Suddenly 4 a.m.

I'm leaving as you're driving home. You're like sober, bummed. Wanted to go home through hours ago. This is how I picture everything in my leg. And then you're driving down a highway and see a child dressed in all white walking with a book back.

Yeah. And you go for a stop screaming. And then you go back. You're like, what the fuck? This is where you go back.

And you go to drive by her again. And she runs into the fucking woods. Fucking darts away. What do you do? Call the police.

Yeah. Call the police site where you pull your car over. You leave it there. Yeah. Call the police.

But you don't have cell phones here. Oh. Right. Shit. Yeah.

No cell phones here. Maybe he went home and called. Maybe.

“Why wasn't he a rich guy with one of those crazy, huge cell phones in his car?”

Rich guys. Because this isn't fucking Dallas. So whatever. TV show. They had those.

Um. Okay. Thought about. We did it. Okay.

It was a rainy night, too. Add that to this one. A fucking thing. A rainy night.

No. Yeah.

There's no way I wouldn't think that was a ghost if I saw it.

Oh, yeah. Like, because it's so insane. Yeah. Um. At 6.30 a.m. that morning, Aisha's mother went to the kids room to wake them up.

She found Aisha gone. Um. And she called the police who arrived by 6.45. 6.40 a.m. Police dogs are called to the scene.

They could not pick up Aisha's scent. So February 17th, two days after the search began, candy wrappers are found in a shed. And a nearby business along the highway near where Aisha had been seen running into the woods. So candy wrappers. Okay.

Along with them, we're a pencil, a marker, and a Mickey Mouse shaped hair bow that we're identified as belonging to her. So it's almost like she ran away at this point. It seems. Yeah.

“But why would a kid run away in a raging storm that doesn't seem normal?”

Yeah.

I bet it started raining when she was outside.

Right. I would think. Because any plan you would have if it was raining would be like, oh, do this to me. Yeah. For sure.

Okay. A week later after no other traces or witnesses were found, the search was called off. FBI got involved and noted she was not a typical runaway. She was under 12 didn't have normal stuff, such as a dysfunctional family. She didn't have bad grades.

And by all accounts, she was a shy, sweet girl with close family church community. All this shit. She didn't even have a computer in the house. So the thing I'm like her running away to meet someone she met online. Oh, that's not that doesn't make any sense.

I mean, doesn't make sense. Right. Right. There was no blood, no signs of a straggler car accident. And for 18 months everything stalled until Asia's book bound was bookbag was found during a construction project.

So the backpack with her name and telephone number written inside was found wrapped in a plastic trash bag about 26 miles from her home. It was said that the bag looks carefully prepared as if she were instructed by an adult. What's the pack? No.

In May 2016, the FBI announced that their reinvestigation of the case had turned up a new witness that had come forward and reported seeing a girl who resembled Asia getting into a dark green 1970s Lincoln Mark IV or Ford Thunderbird with a restaurant in the wheel. And near where she was last seen. So a scholarship in her name is created for deserving local students and family members holding

annual march each February retracing what they believe is the path that she took the night she vanished. But they don't know why. And the thing about the path she took to is that it's it's the path that her school bus took in the morning. It's not or like when she went to school, it's not an easily walkable path.

“It's almost like it was the only way she knew how to get from certain points in town because she took it every day.”

Yeah. Rather than that was her purposeful plan. Like that. She knows if she's going to go to say the town library. Right.

This is the way she's going to get the library. The way you go. Yeah. Oh. It's just this weird story.

That is madening. Because it's like who got into her ear. Yeah. Yeah. She didn't tell any of her friends like, oh, I met this person or her parents like,

Oh my god. That's maddening. And how long ago did it happen? This happened into it happened in 2000. Man.

And she's nine. It's so much younger than. Yeah. That's like that makes me think it's like someone who's like,

“who's like, made her, made her believe something.”

Mm-hmm. That she could have something that she normally couldn't have. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you meet me here, I'm giving away this pony.

Right. Right. Yeah. Facts really. And then like all of that up until that point is like, okay,

she ran away from home for a certain reason. Everything would have been normal. But then when they find her backpack buried, wrapped in plastic. Something she ran into someone.

Yeah. Something. And the things in the backpack. Yeah. If somebody like that idea that she packed it specifically for a reason.

Yeah. It was a plan. Yeah. God damn. Wicked up.

Poor thing. All right. The last one has a resolution. Okay. Um, okay.

Bobby Dunbar. Are you ready for this? Yes. Okay.

Bobby Dunbar was the first born son

to Lesie and Percy Dunbar of Opelia. Oh, hmm. Hawaii? No.

Okay. Opelosis. Nope. Louisiana. In August 1912.

I think Lucinda, I could be wrong.

But Lucinda Williams has a song. It's. Say it. I think it's. Opelosis.

Opelosis. That must be it.

“Or I mean, I think he have not got to do it just.”

Yeah. Forget it. It's not going to be about Bobby Dunbar. Okay. In August of 1912.

Oh. Yeah. The Dunbars took a fishing trip to nearby Swazy Lake in St. Landry Parish, Louisiana. Well, on that trip.

Uh, little body Dunbar disappears. After an eight months search, authorities found a handyman traveling through Mississippi with a boy. And it's like this crazy search with his photo everywhere. It's this missing child, blah, blah, blah.

Um, who appeared to match the description of Bobby Dunbar.

The man with him, William can't can't well Walters. He claims that the boy was actually, um, name Charles Bruce Anderson. And he was the son of a woman who he who worked for his family. And that um, the boy's mother named Julia Andrew Anderson.

She had willingly granted him custody of this boy. And uh, doesn't matter. Fucking Walters is arrested. And authorities sent for the Dunbars to come to Mississippi and identify this boy that they think is their son. Oh.

Okay. I think his son. They think it's Bobby Dunbar.

“Do you know how much longer it was after he disappeared?”

It was, um, eight months. Oh. Okay. Yeah. Um, upon seeing the missing son, her missing son.

There's like, there's different reports. Some say that the mother, lessy, like, freaked out. And it was like my son. And Bobby Dunbar was like, mom, you know, and embraced.

And other people said that, um, that the boy cried and said that.

And agreed that this wasn't that his mother, you know, with someone else. Yeah. Um, how could those, how could we two different exact opposite stories? Yeah. Like, didn't happen in a, in a police station.

Yeah. But there'd be an official. Yeah. But media, man. They like to, sure.

Not, that they're not talking shit on media. Everyone's great. Vital, et cetera. Now more than ever. So, uh, yeah.

So they're like, all right. Maybe this is our kid, uh, let's bring him home tonight and see how it goes. There's just like the change lane. Just like the change lane. And real fucking line.

It happened like 30 years before. Yeah. Fuck, okay. Can you imagine, I mean, I guess at the time you don't have photos or something, but not knowing if this person is your kid or not?

How does that happen? I don't know. Well, but in the change lane, she knew it wasn't our kid and it was the cops going. No crazy bitch. Yeah.

This is your kid. Right. And it's also like a grease trick and mother who's like, this resembles my kid. I really want it to be my kid. They're telling me it's my kid.

Maybe they're right. Exactly. Yeah. Like, your worst fear is that your child is gone forever. So anybody's showing up and being like, it's me, you know?

Yeah. But the kid wasn't even like, according to certain stories. The kid was like, no, this isn't like, this isn't who I am. This is not my parent.

“Also, you have to think of this kid that was just being driven around randomly by some”

dude. Yeah. What was happening to him? Yeah. And what kind of state of shock and freak out was he.

It's almost like you combine two people who are in shock and trauma together. Totally. Okay. And it's like, uh, yeah. Okay.

So yeah, you're not going to say to the police officers. The mother's not going to be like, no, you guys are wrong. This isn't, you know, you're not going to do that. No, I thought, how many bad haircuts have I gotten? We're as it's happening.

I'm like, well, you're the boss. Yeah. Looks great. I guess I don't know what I like. I mean, yeah.

Yeah. That's true. So they, they're like, we don't know if it's him. Bring him home tonight. We give him a bath.

And then the next day they're like, yeah, that's our kid based on moles and scars. They're like, it's totally our son. Okay. I'll as well. So the boy goes home with the done bars.

There's a fucking parade and fanfare celebrating the homecoming. Everyone's like, we found, you know, we found the missing done bar boy. And then shortly after Julia Anderson, the mother of the boy who originally was supposed to be that wasn't Bobby Donbar. She's a North Carolina, she arrives.

And you know, it's like, that's actually my kid. And I didn't tell him he could take him for that long. But she goes to his, uh, his, she goes to his, hold on. Okay. That it it up.

Okay. She's unmarried and worked as a field hand for the family of the man who had him. She said that she allowed him to take her son for what set was supposed to be. Two-day trip to visit one of, um, Walter's relatives.

Okay. Yeah. So, uh, so, so this woman, Julia is presented with five different boys.

Basically a fucking boy, photo line up.

Yeah. Uh, and a same age as her son, including the boy who had claimed to, who had been claimed by the done bars. And the boy is presented. And he gave no ink ink, um, he gave no indication that he recognized this woman as his mother.

Oh. Yeah. And she asked whether that he was the boy recovered. She was like, set the boy you found, like, didn't totally recognize him at first either.

“Also, what do you give a shit, aren't you looking for your son?”

What, why are you asking other questions? Yeah. Just, she would have known your son. She didn't know for sure. She was like, is that, how do you, okay?

Yeah, right? Um, she said she was unsure at the end of it. And I'm wondering. So, this kid who's supposed to, who's now is or isn't the Bobby Dumbar boy. Like, goes home with his family.

They have a fucking, maybe, a nice house and all this nice shit.

And he sees his mother trying to get him back. Who's a fucking field hand. Yep. And he doesn't say anything, maybe. Yeah.

You know, he's like, status that is. Well, and also he's, she's the one that put him in that car with that man. Yeah. To whatever end that was. She thought he thought she didn't want her anymore, maybe.

And was just like, huh? Yeah. Not going back to the shit. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah.

“Um, but she takes, she takes the boy back with her.”

And Susan the next day. Or, I guess, in the station, she addresses him. So this fucking kid is getting addressed. That's the left and fucking right. She then indicated a strong certainty that the boy was her son, Bruce.

And not Bobby Dumbar. Okay. But of course, everyone was already like, fuck you. Poor lady. That's not true.

You're lying. Um, so of course, then the newspaper's question. Her moral character, because she had had three children. The other two which were deceased by that point out of wedlock. And so her claims were dismissed.

Oh. Yeah. She does go to the kidnapping trial of this guy, Walter's. And says, it repeats that, you know, he didn't, she didn't, he didn't kidnap my son. Um, and the court reaches the determination that the boy was Bobby Dumbar, conclusively.

They were like, period. It's not this other kid Bruce is Bobby Dumbar. Um, this guy, Walter is convicted of kidnapping. And the boy remains in the custody and grows up with the Dumbar family as Bobby Dumbar. The kid who had gone missing when they went camping.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, think, wait, this does have a resolution. Yeah.

You're going to know what happens. Yeah. Oh, pretty much. Please, God. Okay.

This is nuts. This is like four movies combined. Yeah. Because it also reminded me of the wineville chicken coop murder. Yes.

There's some whole lot back to it too. That's what. Oh, it's the same thing as a change thing. Not a change thing. But the chicken coop murder story is insane.

It's so fucked up. The kids who, at the end of that, were afraid they were going to get in trouble. So they denied that they belong to the parents that were there to claim them. I'm thinking of those two things as two things. Yeah.

But it was basically just the end of the story where they were like, no, that's not me.

Because they thought they were going to get like spank. Yeah. Like it's a crazy little kid mentality. Yeah. Okay.

It's so sad. Okay. So, but this, this boy is raised as Bobby Dumbar. Whether or not it's him, for sure. Um, he marries has four children of his own and dies in 1966.

Having lived out the remainder of his life as Bobby Dumbar. Wow. This guy. Okay. Years after his death, one of his granddaughters Margaret Dumbar cut right begins her own investigation

“of the events because I think it was like a family fucking story that nobody wanted to talk about.”

So she, uh, pours through newspaper accounts and interviews the children of Julia Anderson, the woman who claimed that that kid was hers. And they actually said to her, you know, this man came and visited, uh, visited us. And I think he was him trying to see, like the kid who was raised as Bobby Dumbar as an adult came back to the town where they lived to meet his maybe siblings.

Oh. Um, and examine the notes and evidence presented at Walter's defense, uh, presented by Walter's defense attorney for his kidnapping trial in appeal. And 2004, um, after an associate press reporter approached the family about the story, Bobby Dumbar Jr.

consented to undergo a DNA test to resolve the issue. The test showed that the kid raised as Bobby Dumbar was 100% not related to the Dumbar's. Holy shit. Yeah. So that poor fucking woman that came down is like, this is my son.

Yeah. They were like, two late. We already, we already did the parade. It's just, it's a turner tape has been tickered.

You can't go back. It's just this whole thing too.

“You've got to wonder like, did the parents of Bobby Dumbar know in their heart?”

And we're okay because they just couldn't come to terms of the fact that maybe their son was dead. And she said Julia Anderson was she like, this kid has a better life now. It's, I'm fucking pissed, but I'm not going to fight that hard because he's not these are good people. Yeah. I know.

Well, okay. So apparently Julia would speak of her lost son, Bruce, a lot.

And that the family always regarded him as having being kidnapped by the Dumbar's.

So they never got it right. Okay, but there is an incredible, this American life about this case. So the ghost of Bobby Dumbar that it's, I think it's from like 2004. I remember listening to it and just, I was like painting my bedroom one weekend. And then had to sit down in the middle of the room just to fucking listen to it because it was so powerful.

So it's an incredible episode. Definitely listen to it. And in it, Margaret Dumbar cut right. They kind of, they interview her through it. She expresses the opinion at the real Bobby Dumbar, the kid who went fucking camping and swazzy lake that he was probably in by alligator back in 1912.

That's what she thinks happened. It kind of also reminds me of that someone knows something. She's in one. Or it's like did this kid drown or did something happen to him? Yes.

It's that sort of thing too. Or it's like he disappeared. Didn't get kidnapped. Did he die. But she thinks that he probably drowned her.

Because it's something of like out in nature.

It could be anything. You can't even, you can't even figure out like anything could happen. And like that idea of just an alligator going through. And that it that being it. Like that happens.

Also fucking Louisiana. Like yeah. That's alligator's are up in there. I can't believe. See, this makes an om upset.

Because when you look up the wine-ville chicken coop murder. Yeah. Or watch the movie, the change-ling.

“You should then, there should be some if you like this.”

Read about this. Yeah. Because that's like so fascinating. Yeah. Old tiny kidnappings and missing people.

Fucking fascinating.

Because there was like no DNA, no phones.

Barely any photographs. Yeah. Barely the forensics. Yeah. Yeah.

Bobby dump the ghost of Bobby dump her. This American life. Amazing. That was great. And that was three creepy fucking missing people.

Insane stories. Oh my god. Okay. We're back. Are there any updates on this one?

So there are only updates on Asia degrees case. Which are kind of muddled. Like since 2018 through 2025, there's been like, you know, warrants that have been executed. Things have been seized.

There's just a lot of suspicion around this one family. But no one in that family has been arrested in connection to the disappearance. And they deny any involvement in the case. But a $100,000 reward is available for information leading to convictions in the case. And I feel like these days when so many cases are being solved.

This one is so solvable. And I feel like the clues are all there. Like just waiting to be put together, you know. Yeah. At least there's still a tip line open.

That's a really good sign. Yeah. Like if there's evidence out there, if there's people that are going to talk at some point, there's a place for them to go. And I really feel like Reddit has given this story a spotlight in a way.

It's so mysterious. It makes, there's no, you know, it's such a mysterious story. And Reddit has really like grabbed onto it and not let it kind of fade out of the public eye. Which is great because I feel like those get solved when there's more pressure. Obviously on the investigators and Reddit's doing that.

Yeah, great. Okay. So now it's time for good things of the week. This is a very special installment because for this one, George and I roll a clip from the live show in Dallas of our friend.

And very badass survivor, Jennifer Mori called well. So here's Jennifer telling her story. [screeching]

“Should we do our favorite thing as what happened at our first show in Dallas?”

Yes. Okay. So we want it you. That can tell everyone. Okay.

Fuck in. Fuck in. Shut up. Is that what I sound like? No, no.

Oh, please. I did all the time. No. Okay. So we had a special guest at our Dallas show.

And it was really thrilling. Jennifer Mori called well, who we talked about in episode 53. Was it? I think so. Yeah, yeah.

I think one set it. Yeah. Yeah. There's a photo of it on Instagram.

Essentially, it was the, I survived story that I retold of the woman who lived in the gated apartment community specifically for the security. He ends up waking up the millenight being attacked. Her powers cut the phones cut. A guy steps her.

And then the 911 operator stays on the phone with her. And when the security guard comes to ask to be let in, he says don't let him in. And it ends up that the security guard was the person who attacked her. Yeah. And it's the crazy story.

She tells it herself. I basically just retold her version of that story as she tells it on I survived. He has an episode. We heard from her sometime after. And just saying hi, I heard, you know, whatever I heard this.

Which was a huge thing for us.

“I think, you know, we just didn't expect that.”

And we've always kind of wondered what impact what we do has on people.

And so getting that specifically from the victim of the story was and it was a positive email was so it felt so good. Yes, it was really nice. It was like someone going, I get exactly what you're doing. And I approve and it happened to me and I approve.

So that and of itself was exciting. Then she lives in Dallas. So she let us know that she tried. I think she tried to get tickets. And they were sold out.

She was so sweet. She was like, hey, I tried to get tickets to Dallas. But it's sold out. Do you think maybe. And I was like, yes.

Yes. So she and her lovely family came to our shows in Dallas. And she at the end of the show. Instead of doing hometowns, we asked her up on stage. And the audience went fucking ballistic.

And I fucking, I started ugly. TV crying. We all were crying.

“And I think everyone in the audience was crying.”

And basically, she, so she, we basically want to play this moment.

So we don't want to wait until whenever it comes up that we're going to play this live episode. Because it was just so cool. And so I don't know. There's probably a lot of long silences. Because there's definitely moments where we're hugging or just crying or whatever.

But it was just really an honor and a privilege to meet her. She's the coolest woman. She is so chill. She is, she's a lawyer. She's got this beautiful family who all came with her who are also super cool.

And she also told us backstage the 911 operator from her story. It was his first day on the job. It was the second 911 call he had ever taken. And he, they ended up, they were lifelong friends. She danced with him at her wedding.

Like the, she was the third person that she danced with that her wedding. You know, she, it was just the coolest. We got to meet her and talk to her on her to be part of the show. So here's that moment. Now normally this is the part where we do hometown. But we actually tonight tonight we have a surprise guest for you.

But we're very, very excited to bring out on stage. So special guests that we want to introduce you guys to. Oh, there's a few, you actually. You got this.

“You might remember because we talked about her case on one of our episodes.”

And she is here in the audience tonight with us. I don't remember the number of she's walking down right now. She's been in the audience with you this whole time. She, her story was on an episode of "I Survived." [audience cheering]

Her name? [audience cheering] That's Jennifer Morrie called well right there. [audience cheering] [audience cheering]

Oh my god. Oh my god. Are you guys doing this? [audience cheering] I can turn the lens.

Hi. Hi. Hi. Hey, nice to see you. Yeah.

You guys too. So when we did this episode where I all I did was retail Jennifer's story from her words, from an episode of "I Survived." Because I'm lazy sometimes. I just do.

I like to do stuff like that.

But also because the story was so incredible.

And the way she told it was so incredible, it's one of my favorite episodes. Sorry. [audience cheering] Sorry.

You told my story so beautifully, but the night I heard it. My husband I'd like a whole bottle of wine, and I cried, and I cried, and I cried. Oh.

You honored me. What you told my story.

That's so great. Thank you. Thank you. [audience cheering] We're in the competition.

Thank you. [audience cheering] It's all we have. I mean we're doing it. It's the events.

[audience cheering] Wait, I might not know.

“So after that episode, you sent us an email.”

And then we freaked out. And we couldn't believe it. Because a lot of times when we do these stories, and we do this stuff,

we never knew I made this part.

I was getting up and like, for a long time we did this podcast in Georgia's apartment, talking to each other. So the idea that the person we're talking about, responded and was like, "Yeah, it was just so exciting."

And so cool. And so then you feel this way like, "Can I come to a show when you come to Dallas?" So we're like, "Yeah, we can get you in." Right?

Take it. [audience cheering] So yeah. No, I'm a lawyer. [audience cheering]

And if you guys know my attack story, my attack's not part of my daily life. I can't let it be. And so I'm sitting in my office one day last September, October.

And I had a lawyer say to me,

"You're made a name's Moray, right?" And I'm like, "Yeah?" She goes, "You're attacked, right?" She goes, "Yeah." And she goes, "Oh my God, there was this podcast on that.

You last saw it." She goes, "Yeah." And it floored me. And so I went home that night,

“and I told my husband, "I think there's this thing."”

[audience laughing] And so we like, "Google them, found this thing." And we sat there and listened to it. And it wasn't something I was really prepared to listen to, but I have to say again.

And I listened to it again yesterday, you're getting ready. [audience laughing] You talked about me like you were my friend. [audience laughing] And I'm gonna cry again.

[audience laughing]

It was a horrible experience, don't get me wrong.

Yeah. But God is, I mean, a God or whatever, hasn't. [audience laughing] As blessed me so much, I've got my husband, Gary, and my two kids are here tonight.

[audience cheering] So everybody here. If you ever have anything terrible happen to you, and unfortunately too many of us will have something terrible happen to us.

I hope it doesn't happen to you. With Show Talks a lot about anxiety. I've become a murderer, you know. [audience laughing]

“My daughter is 15 and she probably should listen to the show.”

[audience laughing] When road trips we listen to this, and anyway, if something bad ever happens to anybody out there, I hope you guys have something as, I mean, God, this has just been such a gift to have you honor me

and to have people all over the world reach out to me and honor me so thank you. And what you do, you're all fascinated and horrified by these crimes. But the way you bring laughter to what you could cry or laugh, pick one.

[audience laughing] Let's laugh. So thank you guys. Yay. Thank you so much.

[audience cheering] Amazing. [audience cheering] And we're back. I just have chills even thinking about that moment

and Dallas and her coming on stage and the audience. Sheera, I mean, in my God, it was huge. Once in a lifetime, also what she was like as a person. So warm and lovely. Yeah.

And so all about it, like, yeah, that was a real honor. And just, I mean, everybody felt it. It was such a cool, shared experience. Yeah. So this episode was originally titled "Jesus With Me"

No, I-- Let's change it. Terrible. So if we did change it, we could rename it. What?

That leave me alone thing. I love so much. That's you saying that do not disturb sign. What's it called? That talk about being in Perry Manopause.

It's like that moment you really couldn't think of the word do not disturb. So right on a nice hot mic. That leave me alone thing. That leave me alone thing.

Also very obvious, but my sister's dying. There's a lot of people that probably wouldn't like that title. But the people who knew would think it was very funny. There's Fabio of the All-Mish, because that horrible man is slightly attractive.

And we just think that one's incredible.

I think that's the one. Yeah, obviously.

“What if we just pick one of our dumb random ones with Fabio of the All-Mish?”

It's settled forever and ever. Okay, that's this week's episode of rewind. Thanks for being here, you guys. Thanks guys. Now let's say goodbye with Jennifer from our Dallas live show.

We are so honored to have you guys amazing.

This has been so much show us. Thank you. And thank you guys for being here. And stay sexy. Don't get mad.

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