Episode 465 | Domaniacs

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No, that's not a post. Um, I actually went outside and did something this weekend. That's why I'm a big story. What did you do, Rory? Tell you yesterday.

Yesterday, I was, I was kind of outside yesterday.

“It was, it was a nice day, uh, stop by Marlon had a video shoot, stop by there first.”

Then I went to, um, CJ and Tiana, who are, or Biggie's kids. They had a taste testing for the restaurant that they're open and called Big

Papa's, um, Maya, which was incredible, the, the food.

I'm not just just saying this, that the food was incredible West Indian, um, the steak was great. Jerk wings were incredible, curry chicken was great. It was a good time. It was a good time.

All the junior mafia was there. Even Kim was there. Like it was, it was cool to just see everyone get together for Biggie's kids. And I, I hope they open the restaurant soon. No.

So it was, it was a good time. It was a good hang. Yeah. The fire. So, the cheese was in there.

Shit. The locks up. Everyone was there. Yeah. So what was going on?

Mitch's story. Hmm? Mitch's story. Oh, once I left, I mean, because Junior Mafia is probably the only adults that can out drink me.

Like I told you guys on the rock the bell's cruise, I couldn't keep up with J to kiss and little seas. And I can drink for real for real. I can't drink until six a.m. to the sun comes up.

Yeah, that's just not it. Like Neo can still out drink a 35 year old man in his prime of drinking. So, had a little, little to juice in me. So I was like, let me go up town a shark bar. Go see Mitch and Major and boy did all the steam lead me once I got in there.

I can't hang. Whole car ride. I'm pumped. I'm like yo. On my way.

Yeah, you called me up by Sam. I'm in the house. Like I'm not going nowhere on the Sunday night. Like I'm chilling. They was in there though.

Shark bars is the shark bar. Shark the Mitch. If you ain't, you know, in Harlem on Sundays, go to shark bar. Shout out Mitch. Tell him we sent you.

Tell him we sent you. Go up town. Tell him that I sent you. Go down to Harlem. Tell Mitch I sent you.

And Mitch is a hustler. I'm thinking yo, it's co-workers friends like, of course, I'm there to pay.

I'm never somebody that shows up somewhere to support, but I pay.

It wasn't there to pay. But when you say that. Yeah. Because you don't gotta say that. No, but there's a lot of people that assume when they go to their friend's spot.

Yeah, thank you. Wonderful. I've never been that person. Yeah. I paid for the Russell's album.

It's on DSP. I support. I'm a supporter of my friends. And Mitch didn't give you a little friend this car. Nothing.

Yeah. And I took Drunk Ash. Yeah. It was like, I paid. I paid it.

You don't say it. I like that though. I like going to see my friends at work and like, yeah, I'm one of those people. Like, why go to your job, like you work here, make sure I pay, like, don't give me no discount.

I don't pay the full price. She didn't know that. You work here. And Mitch had had a few on her story before I got there. She was like, what you want to say?

I was like, sit me next to people that was on your story, just because they seem to be your friends. That's the only reason. Why I wanted to say that.

“Oh, they left that I was like, well, that's why I came.”

Yeah. None worse than we started a party looking for the girl that's on the fly it. Yeah. You ain't on the fly. Yeah.

You don't even know that girl. You mean, you mean, Rihanna's not here. Like, Rihanna's not here tonight now. Those just to be the funniest club in party flyers, would they just throw anything? Like, really?

Like, really pretty model just on this. Like, your show. Like, nothing. Don't even know what that woman is. But we are backspots about booze mode.

Now let me do it. It's all tax. And data. Absolutely. Did you do anything?

No. I kept it like this weekend. I didn't do much this weekend. And I was chilling. I wasn't going to go to the movies to see a, what's that movie?

I said I wanted to see it. Not, not scream seven to other movie. So I think it's another scary movie. I forgot the name of it. But I wasn't going to go see that.

But then I was like, yeah, I just chilled in the house and watched a few games. That was it. I even watched this weekend. Okay. Already like settled in for the night, I was like, get dressed and go up town.

I'm going to say not, let me sit in the house and chill. So that's what I did. Yeah. I didn't stay too long. But I rarely have time to go out and stuff.

I figure that go. Go support. And hang out for a little bit. Watch the good movie at Netflix. War machine.

I don't know if you saw that yet. War machine. Good. It's a good movie. Definitely check that out on Netflix.

War machine was really good. What is it about? So it's just this range.

But then like some crazy shit happens and they think that they're on like. Initially they were sent into like, it was part like the last test to become a ranger. And then some crazy shit ends up happening and they think it's part of like the drill and the test come to find out it's like the killing machine that like crash landing on earth.

They happen to run into in the middle of the woods and like now they got to like, they're not even like real rangers yet. You know what I'm saying? Now they got to use tactics. They got to become like rangers on the spot for real and like try to get back to the base.

Like it's a good movie though.

I see tennis Quaiders in it, I'm always here for Dennis Quaide always plays a good

father figure in every movie. You know, you use the general. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely.

That was one guy saw it. Yes. Makes him his son. Yeah, Dennis Quaide ain't running around doing stunts no more those days old. He's going to have a concern face while looking at the data.

Yeah. Tire top. Exactly. I am caught up with paradise. Spoiler alert, please.

Fast forward.

“Five minutes if you want to skip talk about paradise and spoilers.”

All the way caught up. All the way caught up. So you've been one not not including the episode that comes out today, right? Same all last night. Last night, I didn't see that one.

So you're on for you watched up to four. Yeah. Okay. You watched the first season? Okay.

Yeah. You know what's so funny when you got this talk about paradise? I had completely forgot.

I watched the first season.

Okay. And then I went to like, oh, they keep talking about paradise. I was like, oh wait. I love the show. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even know season two came up. I've been in season two. I was in the beginning.

I was like, all right. How many flashbacks are we going to fucking do? But they're tying it together with all the flashbacks. Yeah. I like what they're doing.

I was a little nervous on episode one. I was like, what are we doing? Yeah. I knew, I knew shorty was going to get pregnant though. Yeah.

That was the, I was like, how irresponsible would it be to fuck at a time like this? It's a great, great, great.

“In that whole, I felt like you should pull out.”

Bucking, whatever. But at least put. The world is in it. No. Lead that in there.

So what? Pulling out for what? We all bought the die for what? What? What?

What? I don't know if I was him out of left that baby with them with them people. Listen, I don't care, spoilers. You know, pissed off, I'd be, if I met a stranger in the next day, they dumped a newborn baby on me.

Like you selfish, son of a, but I mean, in a scheme of what was going on, it makes sense though. Like everybody has to like just, well, throwing a newborn into modern society right now can be a monkey wrench. What they're going through and try to get to Atlanta.

Like, here's a newborn baby. Well, it's the type of man he is, like, I don't think they would do that, like, with you, because you would obviously not want that, but he, even taking the baby with him. Like, anybody else would have dropped that baby off, he, like, nah, got it. That's just the type of do he was.

I don't love my baby with him too. Like, he promised he would take the baby to the father. Yeah. Yeah. Because if the father wasn't going to Colorado, I'm sure he probably would have left

that baby with, with the people at the house. Because there's no way you're just getting on a horse with a newborn, and you can't even provide, you know what we just pulled it, if anybody that has not seen it, we just, we're going to push, well, a big spoiler, a peach mark that we're going to put a spoiler alert before we say that.

All right, cool. I mean, I do feel like if we put out episodes four times a week, like, just, just keep up with the shows. I don't want to wait six weeks to then talk about episode four. Yeah.

And they're just based on how to drop, just like, every, once a week. So, yeah.

“You should be caught up on in paradise by now.”

But either way, amazing show, I mean, I like the cliffhanger, do you guys watch the episode

okay, my last time? Yeah, I did. No, I didn't. Oh, shit. Okay.

They left us on a little cliffhanger. Holy, to you. Wait, you watch episode five. When, when, when, when homey was like, your wife's my partner, I was like, Oh, shit. She has a weird, she has a weird range of types.

That's what you're thinking about. Not my gosh. She's missing. This thing, like, gosh, she moved on. Yeah.

Don't. Why? If you fucking my wife don't call her, your partner. Like, I'm, I've been fucking your wife. No, he was going.

No. He said it directly. He said it in the most respectful way. Well, I didn't know because the cliffhanger when he was saying part of, I didn't know if he meant like, that's my, like, he lost my partner.

Like, that's, you got to watch how you say that. But that's what I'm saying, it left it open and ended. Very, very, very. And I thought because of his appearance, they were trying to make us think like, No, she wouldn't fucking.

So that must be like, no, that must be the partner to save the world or something. No, you could tell it at that moment. Very different times. I can't say where he's my partner. I can't say that.

There's to be context as it co-hosts. According to the IRS, we are. No, we're, uh, we're business associates. Oh, no, not even partners. Not even partners.

We can't put partners in it. I'm telling you. Yeah. I know. I can't believe we're not seeing me.

What are we. We're seeing. We're seeing. We're seeing. We're seeing.

We're seeing. We're seeing. We're not seeing. We're not seeing. We're not seeing.

Mike and Scottie, no, we're not that. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just going to say that. I'm just going to say that. Yeah, I'm just going to say that.

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Yeah, I'm just going to say that. Yeah, I'm just going to say that. At sundown, you just walk out like you. I'm fucking your wife. He didn't say that.

That's not what he said. But that's what you're all saying. No, that's what you was in. I think they're science lab partners. I don't think they're fucking.

“I think they're just people who, you know,”

are relying on each other when the world was in a crazy space fair. They were trauma. Yeah, they needed each other to kind of make it through. That's all. But great great show.

If you are not watching paradise. I don't know what you watching right now. But definitely the best show on TV right now. Should we stay on the TI subject?

It's never going to wait more.

I'm sorry to say. Well, TI movies TV kind of saying they are old into one. It's a good segue. The TI has been when he's been, he's had his hand in all three of those. Like for her.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think I'm going to answer this question myself. It's kind of a vain question. Do you think the internet hates me or loves Demoni? I think they love Demoni.

Okay, I'm just curious. Why did you actually? Because he's got a job. I can't love Demoni that's much. Because he's self-centered.

That's why. When it was played around with the 50s. Should I have 50 bias in that clip when sort of viral? I did not know that like what's his barbs? Because he has bars.

He does. Or let y'all just really hate me that much. No. It's just Demaniacs. Demaniacs.

Demaniacs. I don't think he's hilarious. They're definitely the Demani. You'll get the fucking Demaniacs out of my book. Yeah.

That's so lame. You'll get the same thing. You'll get the same thing. You'll get the same thing. You'll get the same thing.

You'll get the same thing. But, but, Roy, you hate and still. It's like it's in your heart. Like, you know, you're not like Demani. No, you can't try to convince us at that.

“I'm not quite a Demaniac, but I think he's a good rapper.”

No, I'm a Demaniac. You can jack in it. You even ask him does the internet just hate me or do they really like Demani? Why can't you just understand that people disagree with you on his first this?

People disagree with you. I don't hate him. No, we can say that to people. That's fine. But that's not what it is.

That was the response. I would complete it. I wish we could go back to a world where we just go, you know what? We disagree on music. And then we can continue on with our love.

Oh, no. That world is long gone. The Demaniacs are on some K-B-O-V-O type shit right now. Like, I did not expect to get the same amount of backlash just by saying it was a diet meet the crimes.

It's not true. It was a diet. It was a diet. Because you said it was a diet meet the crimes. You were very obviously hating.

Like, you were very obviously hating and people called you out on being hated. Why can't we just like have fun? What was he? What was that really? Do you think I was really the way Demani was losing sleep?

Do you think I was really losing sleep? Do you think he can't have a speech? He can't have a speech. He can't have a speech. And is it hating or is it just he hated the song?

I didn't hate the song. Okay. Did you hate the the type of song like the energy of the song? Like, did you say diet, what meet the crimes? He was like this is.

And he didn't just say this is, you know, it's a meet the crimes as this some diet meet the crimes bullshit. Is it direct quote? Yeah. No, I said that.

No. I was like that. Hey, well look though, what's right? If it's on egg shells about talking about Demani's music. No, I can't fucking joke around about that.

You don't have to tip our egg shells, but he did a good job.

He's getting eyes that he never had before.

And people called you out on being a hated. But your Mr. Pierce hip hop. They always want some new. We have no talent. New hip hop shit.

You got a baby. You got some period of time. You got some period of time. I like that. - Is that a difference?

- Is that a difference? - He's like, you start acting when he's 70. - I don't know. - I don't like to be misrepresented because I said, 2025 was one of the best years of hip-hop that we've had in a really long time.

I think there's a lot of amazing talent. I went through every single verse on the radar freestyle of the new generation. I think there's plenty of right new hip-hop right now. - Right, so please, so please.

- If I do not try to paint me as that person that thinks hip-hop is in some terrible space right now. - I think there's plenty of great artists including Demani, but because I think he's talented, he should still be on the same fucking level

of critique. - That's fine. - We critique. - We just critique Bruno Mars. - That's not bad.

- That's not bad. - That's fine. - That's fine. - Because, sorry, should we treat him special? Should we put him over here and he's a boy?

- He's a boy. - He's a boy. - He's a bug me cursing. He's a bug a joke. He's a bug me having a 50 bias.

- No, it's nothing. - It's because Demani's a Neppo baby. - It had no, it's not even except them. - The nigga barely has fans. - I thought you said they got the idea.

- No, that's not what I said. - That's not what I said.

“And that's what you're seeming to misconstruing.”

You're trying to make it out like it's his fans

He doesn't even have a big enough fan base.

These are casual fans. - You're comfortable with it. - He's like me and don't like you. - Let me talk.

“These are casual fans of hip hop that are telling you”

that you're hate. Peas is not a Demani fan. Peas help me hear that. - The this is fire. Everybody agree that the this is fire.

The reason why you got so much backlash is because you were one of the only people who downplayed the this a bunch of casual fans. Oh, I didn't know about Demani, this is fire. It's not just his super fans, critiquing you.

It's not. - I, I, I, it's okay to be on the wrong side. - It has three just three. - How are you? - All right, it's three.

- He's three just three. - This is the Demani. - This is the Demani. - This is the Demani. - It's the Demani.

- It's the Demani. - There will be Russia, Ukraine, Palestine, and Israel. Demani and Curtis Jackson. What side will you be on at the end of the day? - The wrong side of history.

- What side was Lindsey Graham on? - You know, this wrong side of history is crazy. - It's okay to be wrong, but you hate him. - Okay, see, why can't you call everything? Yes, I did say this is some diet.

Meet the Graham's bullshit. Can you also say the other quote where I said, Demani can wrap and this is good. - He did say that to be fair. He did say that.

- I said this is good. - If they only hit and only hit, when you say you don't like it, oh, then that you think about it. - Well, actually, that means nothing coming from Roy

because whenever Roy hates her critique something, he starts because he doesn't want to piss everybody off. He starts with, well, let me just say that, you know, this is just my opinion, and they're great and shout out to them

and I appreciate everything they do for the culture, but follow by hate every time. - Well, this is my thing. Why is it considered hate, though? - Nah, you niggas was saying it.

- The way Roy came in, it was hate. Like the way Roy came in, it was hate. And if Demani was dissoning anybody else, that wouldn't have been the type of cheat shows. - All right, I do admit my bias.

I promise you I would not have money. - Yeah, I like it. - That's the best. - Yeah, like, and that's okay. - That's okay. - He's still with a tank top,

so do you unit tank top?

- Yeah. - First of all, they fit very well.

- They're great to work on. - Who's shit's was all he's ugly? - Crazy, crazy is blank of all time. Where did they find that white leader, like? - Oh my God, you know, we were talking about Demani.

- No, I honestly, even though I have a 50 bias, my bias is really don't bleed over into this podcast the way you make think, I really couldn't have been dissoning anyone. I would have said this is something to Graham shit.

And which peed you left out of that clip, you even agreed what I said. All right, so you think when Demani and all his people came in the studio, he didn't say, "Yo, I got 'em wants to meet the Graham shit

in his baseball." - No, I did not agree with you. I said somebody in the studio might have compared it, but I did not agree. He said that, "Malded."

- I mean, I meet the Graham's in existence. We heard that, it's like, okay, that's hard. But meet the Graham's existence.

“That's the only thing is what's kind of like,”

okay, I get it. - I preferred that over meet the Graham, so meet the Graham's was one of my least favorite songs out of that battle, I preferred that over meet the Graham's. But anyway, Demani has come, it's a 50 cent responded, right? So we lost our bet, we thought 50 cent wasn't gonna respond.

- Yeah, if you respond or was it like a just a cool way of kinda like, wasn't a full response? - No, it wasn't a full response, but he responded. - He responded the way, it was a bar. - He responded the way 50 would reply,

which is something that's gonna benefit my business. 50 writes the intros for all the power series. He got Leon Thomas on the new power that's about to come out and 50 replied. You could probably tell that he wrote that

and then was like, you know what, we're gonna add in four bars real quick to a song that I already cut. He said, your daddy made your mama eat every box in Atlanta. So, that is a reply and in 50 fashion, I know he's thinking, his dis is going to play every week

on a streaming service now. I mean, we know Demaris is gonna go back to the Demani this every day and we'll have a lot of replay value. But this will be on TV every week. - It was a clever way of doing it.

It wasn't a full song dedicated, 'cause I think that he even posted something was yesterday.

And I've never, you said I'm not entertaining

or making no songs or something like that. But it was 50 posted. So this was a clever way of doing it. It was a clever way like, I'm gonna power people and watch it every week, you know, head to the theme song.

We know when power first came out that theme song with it was a genre song. - I said, this is a big question.

“- I think it was originally tray and then it wasn't even show”

and then they put tray on it and that week everyone said, no. (laughing) Following week, they put Joe back on the show. - So people know that the power intro song is, you know, everybody's gonna watch a big show,

everybody's gonna watch it. So this was a very clever way of responding, but not dedicated and it's higher like moment and giving somebody that light and sharing the stage or somebody, so I liked it.

I was like, okay, that was clever. I didn't anticipate 50 doing that, but that was very clever. - Here's why I'm gonna prove you guys wrong with my bias.

I understood 50 not replying to TI and all those kids,

He only pops up to do intros and shit. But if you're going to put something, we're gonna throw a little shot in your power intro and then also put out a record with Max B, the following day. You're active.

You got seven people shooting at you. I don't know if a line is gonna get it done. I know 50 doesn't give a fuck. This means you're talking as a fan. I'm on the side of either really reply or just be quiet.

Or just trolling in, like just troll on IG, like you always do.

'Cause now you're rapping, like Demani put out a record

“right after, and I think he had every right.”

- Pull up 50s last, last, last, last, last, last, last. I mean, it might not be the last post, but. - Wow, I did like his meet, meet the Jackson's. I did not like Demani's reply to 50s, shot. Demani replied already?

- He replied immediately. - As he should though. - 'Cause 50s thought about that one. - But at this point, like don't even, don't halfway step in the ring.

I think it's funny that there's gonna play on TV for weeks, on weeks, on weeks, and play. And you got Leon Thomas, one of the biggest R&B artists right now on it, like, it was a good move, but everyone else has been rapping there.

You can't just throw one little shot. - He said, "I'm sorry, no response to Retarded As Rapists "who can't write a hit to save their lives, "moving right along, short, but shorty." So I mean, you know, that's what 50.

He's like, you know, right there, like, I'm not entertaining.

I'm not giving nobody a stage to perform on and let them try to stand in front of me and battle and all of this, like, that's not where 50 is at. Like, you know, and he's making it clear. So this was a clear way of, that's hate.

- That's hate, but that can't write a hit. That's hate. You gotta say the demonic humor, that's it. - Let it go, Rory. - I love myself.

- I didn't even know what he was talking about, like I was trying to do. - You all like he just won't let it go. - You're not allowed to, no. You gotta say the demonic humor, that's it.

You know that king hit, that's hate. You're not allowed to say that. - Well, 50's hate at all. - Rory, hate when people don't agree with him. I went in or not, no one would have bothered him.

- No one would have bothered him. - He can't sleep at night, like, the money.

“Like, when the internet doesn't, I think my opinion died in vain.”

- Oh, my God, man. Wow. - I swear to God, I'm really just messing around. - No, I don't think, none of these shit series. - But yeah, I think this is over.

I don't think 50's gonna fly. I think he said his piece, put out a record of Max B. I don't think Demand is gonna keep going. I think King has done. Even T.I. didn't T.I. say he had to discipline his kids

and be like, you'll stop doing that shit with his mom on the shirts. - No, I didn't see that. - And I think D.I. was like, - But T.I. I think he did say that he didn't know.

He didn't know that his kids had all these response. Oh, Demand said that his dad didn't know that. And his kids had these responses playing. - And then I saw King that was a weed brand or something with Sabrina's picture on there, like, whatever.

I mean, you're allowed to reply. You didn't start to shit, 50 did. So it is what it is, but I think this is funny. I think this is the last episode we'll be covering. - I hope this is the last episode

that we'll be covering from the T.I. the Harris family versus Harris, Harris, the Jackson. - Yeah, I hope this is the last one. Like, I get it. It was a cool, you know, all right, all right, that was cool,

but it's not, people don't really wanna see this. People don't really wanna see this. So who's the real winner on all of this? The money.

“- The money is the, I think the money is the,”

- Absolutely. - And I don't even think that when I say winner, I don't mean winner because it wasn't really a battle. I mean, like, who benefited the most from this? I think it was the money.

I think it introduced him to a lot. People now know how dope he is. And all like that. - Also T.I. I mean, T.I. has a big record out right now.

He's about to put out a album. Even though he said that he didn't plan on doing this, this wasn't part of roll-up. It's a deadly brought more attention. - Yeah.

- So I mean, the Harris' did win, but also 50 did too. Even though Leon Thomas's audio on that record, and of course it was gonna be somewhat of a thing. It was bigger because he said that your daddy major,

I would have never heard that song elsewhere.

I would have never know there was a power as origins coming out of elsewhere. - Oh, there's a big group of people that do like are any power book that comes out. - No, yeah.

- Power is super popular. - And the intro is always a really big deal as well. - And a lot of little T.I. can't even respond to that, boy. - I mean, if it's kind of like, if it's conceptual, it's a stat to me.

- No, but I get the boy. - And that means God, that's the first thing I talk. If it's all conceptual, that's not a stat. - Not a stat. Get it, but he ain't say T.I. name.

He just said, your daddy had your mommy and every box in Atlanta. So he said, well, who do you think he was referring to? - It don't matter who I think he was referring to. If I'm T.I. can't be like, hey, now I said,

now I can't go, oh yeah, it's got a bullet proof of like, yeah, it's like the way he could see the way 50 bar dad was like, bro, if you jump out there and respond to that, like you just, it's like, you wait in this, anything that made me direct towards you

jumping on it. Like he didn't, that wasn't like tail it for T.I.

or what you had, that was so amazing.

- The show, yeah, show is amazing. - That should had nothing to do with the rest of the song. Like he threw that shit in there. We all did something, he saw it at Tommy. - I'm just saying, you don't, you don't know.

- We do know, Ma, and that's okay. - It can be a character in power, or attention. - I know you're joking, and power origins that you know was moving weight in Atlanta. - Yeah, we don't know yet, the show didn't come out.

So, I'm supposed to say, T.I.

“You got it, that's like, that's why that's very slick,”

very witty of 50 to do it that way. 'Cause it's like, if you jump out there and jump at that bar, you just, you're just itching for a moment. Like now it's like, like I have fam, you just thirsty for a moment now.

'Cause that could be, for anybody. I get the optics of it, but that could be, - I didn't know you're taller enough, but to come on. - I'm just saying it could be though. - It's not.

- I'm just saying we don't know.

If I'm T.I, I wouldn't jump at that.

- Oh no, I'm with you on the point of it's kind of, if you reply to it, that is like, okay, so... - Did you? - There's no point, there's no point in replying, but we all know who he's talking about.

That isn't like some hidden rumor that people don't know. That's a well-known document, legally documented thing, like that's the same. He can't jump out there and respond to the thing. - But not already said he was chilling,

but I don't dumb with everything. - All right, well. - And the bar wasn't to T.I. the bar was to the money. It was a dishonor. - Yeah, but it's about his debt, but it wasn't.

- He wasn't addressed to you, all right. - But yeah, I get it. - But no, I think they were the winners out of this entire thing of who got the most notoriety. - Yeah.

- I'm what you there. - But I mean, now, follow up with some music. And King can follow up with some IG videos,

like did you get that you live, man?

- Yeah. - Dominion, we wanna hear from you. I can't speak for the rest of these hate and ass niggas, but we wanna hear, we wanna hear more from you. - Who's these hate and ass niggas?

- If you're not a hate and ass niggas, don't jump out at that bar. I'm not jumping out at that bar, I have a question, I said, who's these hate and ass niggas? - Yeah, we're gonna ask niggas.

- Would you like anybody?

“- Oh, okay, don't you sound like you was telling suit niggas?”

- No, no, anybody. - Okay. - Power universe. - That's what's up. - The money got a lot of haters over here.

And a lot of fake supporters. A lot of fake supporters when they hear you now too, the money. That's the other thing. Everyone that was in, all right, when he dropped a single, I better see, when he was in his IG.

- That's she better go flat than him. - You think it's better if you shoot me that shit. - I'm not gonna shoot you. - Yeah, I'm not gonna shoot you too. Soon as the money drop, you make a better hate stream. - Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

- No, we wanna hear, we wanna hear what the money's doing. - All right, see, I can be honest with my hate. If King drops something, yeah, I would be sitting there waiting late 'cause King makes me laugh. The money I think is a good rapper, I'm not waiting late.

The money I hope is good, King is funny to me. Like I wanna see, I wanna see King give us some more. - And like not kidding, what else? - And like not kidding, what else? - Yeah, major is, major makes like so old,

like soul country music. No, that's no sorry, wrong brother. They have an older brother that makes buddy red, buddy red makes like soul country. - That's the soul last name.

“- It's major, it's major making music too.”

- No, I don't think major makes music. - All right, him real estate or something. Something like that. Hopefully, he's good and shout out to the entire house for him, hopefully all of them will be doing well as well.

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the Good Music Breakup, where he broke down the entire lineage history, every single member, and his relationship with them, lead bars. - I'd the last MCN, the last three records of Sahai. - I think this pinmanship put out

is the greatest example of elite rapping that I've seen in quite some time. This is a different level of, you ain't even realized how good he's rapping on this. - It's different, man.

It's different, it's just, it's levels to MCN, it's levels to writing, it's levels to rapping, Sahai's right there, I just hate, as Monday I just hate, he don't put out enough material to be

in the rest of these conversations. 'Cause a lot of these niggas that child who's saying is dope and nice, he's thinking, it's not that, they just got material and all you understand it is, they put it in our work,

but Sahai is definitely a lot better than all of these rappers that child love. - Do you know what I noticed? Your chin got a little tight when we were complimenting the rapability of Sahai

- No, I didn't. - Okay. - I have nothing inside, he's a really good writer. - Did you get it? - Did you get it?

- Mm-hmm. - I thought that was, hey, yeah, no. - Yeah, he keeps trying to make me fall. - No, we hate how it's meant to be. - I'm not, I'm not hating on Sahai.

like I'm not a hater, I'm not, I'm not a hater. - You hate it. - You hate it. - They got you big hating last year, they got you for HDA in.

- No, I was being a good producer,

“making y'all show better, I wasn't hating.”

- Oh, shit. (laughing) - I wasn't hating, let's see, that's gonna be red. Oh, that's gonna be red all around here. I took a fall, but I did what I had to do

in a moment I thought I was making y'all show better. - I was just, she fell on the sword. - Let's just be honest, let's be red. - I'll give her, okay, I'll allow some of that. Well, let's not act like pee's didn't take you out of context

to really make it go viral. - Exactly, but I ended it, I ate it. - What else would you suppose to do? - But I ate that. - It was out already, what could you do?

(laughing) - I ate that, even though Niggas gave what it left. - Get out of there, I went to page you and then really fell on the sword. (laughing)

- Niggas gave what it left. - Even though they knew it was out of context, you know, laughing emoji's time to say, but we won't pass that edge. - No, we have to, clearly we have it.

- We won't pass. - I forgot about the laughing emoji. I had no moment, fell for that. - We won't pass that as a moment. - That was you, yeah.

- You was laughing like that. - I was. I'm laughing again, like we didn't move past that as a family, but you know, I'm a hair. - Yo, by the clothes, we're like the hair.

- Oh, we gotta move as a unit in the public eye. - Yo, that's mad, buddy. - Oh, my bad, I'm sorry, I'm bad. - But no, I feel like sometimes it's a little side. The last two records we talked about,

you kind of was like, all right. - Oh, I'm sorry, which I like me like, hit my knees, like, it's good, like, I'm not, I don't, I like, sorry, it's good.

I've never said he was bad, sorry, it's good.

- Okay. - Where do we want to start? We're gonna start with me popping it off? - Yo. - Hey, yo, that was crazy.

- I popped it right, popped the record off. - Yeah. - Supposed, where are they? - It's definitely pause, where he, I got, I got, I got Saha in that mode.

I don't even think he was gonna do this until I asked that question. (laughing) - For sure, no, yeah, definitely. - Yo, you wanna know how stupid I am?

It took me to the third listen to realize that I was on the intro. I listened to it three times and didn't realize that. That was me. - I could see that.

- On the first one, lock them, listen to them, like that, to just talk. - He's gonna hit rocker. - On the first one, I heard me ask that question and thought to myself, that's a good question.

(laughing) - I wanna ask that. - I'm kidding, I'm not making, I was like, I wonder what Saha's top five albums are, good music. - That's funny.

- Yeah, that was from our interview, BT Awards, probably. When we were in Atlanta, maybe two, three years ago. When we interviewed Saha, no, I didn't call that one in. That was from a new, we were in all episode. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

- We were in Atlanta, we were in Atlanta. - I call that one in Atlanta funny. - I remember now, yes, yes, good conversation. But I mean, he starts it out with, before you go down this lane, make sure your soul is trained.

- Mm. - One of my hardest bars, I've heard. - He was like, he started the record, that was like, okay, I see what time we're on. So Gina asks questions about each artist,

“but the first verse is more so I think just”

give him kind of a back history.

I never knew that he was supposed to be on watch the throne.

I can understand why he was taken off of me. He's allowed to feel away, but I can see them going like, listen, it's Frank and Beyonce, and we don't really want any rap features. It's supposed to be Jay and Kanye.

I can see that one and be like, I get it. If there's some other rap features in there, that makes sense. - But it's B and Frank, we're just not doing that right now. 'Cause if that's the case, we gotta get shown,

we gotta get all this, I would like to know more about him being taken off of Detroit too. - Yeah. - What he does get into his relationship with Sean, but to me that was very odd, 'cause I highly doubt

it was a bad verse. - Oh, so hard, it's not, it's not giving you a bad verse. - But he was, he was a little vague on the Sean relationship, 'cause even Gina came in after and said, I didn't think you were a big Sean got along very well,

but I don't know. That's a weird relationship that I would actually like to ask. That's the only one I left this song not being clear on. I'm really aware he was at was shown in that entire thing, 'cause why the fuck would you be left off to Detroit too?

- Yeah. - Like you just pull him out, my verse off that shit. Then he gets in a Travis on the second verse. And this is why I fuck with size. His loyalty to shit, that he even disagrees with,

I highly respect when you're with somebody or with somebody. Travis did develop a habit of letting everyone dis them. That's hard. Like, born and like that,

“I think it's Travis somehow developed a habit of letting his dis us.”

I've never heard a rapist say that.

You developed a habit of letting his dis us. Like, the rapist doesn't even, like that, that's what I'm saying with size. Like the way he, like, pinship, like,

- Now, I remember when everyone was killing push

during the clips run,

“because he just tried this on the clips album,”

then on interviews was talking about it. And it was talking about when they were in Paris, he came to play the album, but didn't play Drake's verse, which I thought was unfair, 'cause we found out later that Drake's verse

was recorded the day before Travis's album came out. There was no verse when he played that for Fero in the clips in Paris. But being somebody like Sahah and push, I can see them feeling a way of you playing both sides,

a little way, like too much. I can understand be like, this is not my beef, but should be poly and crazy with both sides. This added even more to it, 'cause I thought push was being a little extra on it,

but I understood it. But now that I can see Sahah is like,

"Oh, you just keep letting people dis us on records with you."

(laughs) Like, what the fuck are we doing at this point? Like how your biggest record you got, Drake, talking about pulling up to our man's crib. - He dropped out, like, no, that's your brother in law,

like your kid's a cousin. Like what are we doing right now? - He dropped out of the school of Donde and went and left for the grassy. - Correct.

“- What he did in fashion, if he just looked out of the tacky.”

When I hoped him with his album, went like 11 platinum, but I still didn't get my swap, and he mad that I'm even asking. Yeah, man, I get it.

It's sick of mode, Travis's biggest record. I don't know the stats, but I would assume definitely. I mean Travis has a lot of, and it doesn't have to be used.

- There's a goosebumps, I'm sure there's a lot of them. - But sick of mode is like diamond. If I did all that right in for you, 'cause Astro Worlds, I remember when Astro Worlds came out,

you and I both could pick the songs that we knew saw her, friend. And then we looked at the credits and we were right about everything. Like you could tell that saw her was right in the shit. Yeah, I think it's a little weird,

'cause I've seen Travis give versus beats, swaps, to a lot of artists that have done nothing for him or aren't even at a level that they could get a Travis. Versus. So to not give saw high one,

I would definitely feel a little bit. - Yeah. - And, I'm right in the record for you and then you get Drake on the shit to disus. That's fucking, like you're being played,

like Drake is playing, you right now. Or he's not, and that's your man's, and you're giggling with him. - Yeah, I mean, and that's how I was scenario, that's the situation they can get a little sticky,

'cause it's like, obviously this is the home team, and Drake and Yay have been a little back and forth. So if he's throwing shots at Yay on your song, it does look crazy. But what you're gonna say, like, not Drake don't say that?

“- Well, I mean, that's why I think saw a kill.”

If I got a verse from Drake, shit, I'd be hella happy. But I can't let him disbroken the shit.

- It would probably never happen. - Travis, my say at S.I.I's loyalty

is what has been keeping his career down. - Which he gets to with when he gets to the push-verse of just how they grew up and that's the only shit. When we sat with push-a-t, we questioned some of that. He said, I don't, this how I was raised.

My loyalty just doesn't move the way, maybe somebody else does, but again, I understand Travis, to some of it's not my beef, but not, we're spending thanks given together. Our kids are cousins.

This isn't just like, we see each other at the club. That's a different level of family in my opinion, but I know Travis doesn't really speak, but he's been accused of this by so many people within that circle.

I would like to hear his out of it. Not that we're old that, but yeah. Why does everyone in that crew feel like you have been playing and not even both sides, just that side? You were supposed to be with us,

and we've all helped your shit to the best of our ability. That's all. Has Travis been, has he ever spoke about this? No, not really, like just like in general, just like, you know, doing songs with Drake

when obviously Drake and Y. - I don't think he's ever spoken on it. - I mean, I think Travis is kind of, even though he is associated with good music and that, I mean, he does have his own crew.

I don't know if he sits and hangs out with good music like that. I think Kanye was an idol of his and he definitely wanted to work with him, but I mean, you know, he has his circle

with Casey Grupp with Chase and everybody, like he has his crew. So maybe he's viewing it, like we're like music, so maybe, I just think it's a little different when our kids are cousins, but maybe he's viewing it that way.

- Yeah. - Like, okay, I paid you, you got your pub. Like, I don't know if I owe you, well, actually no,

- It was a swap, yeah, he didn't even get me money.

“- Yeah, if I didn't get paid for a circle mode,”

you're not giving me a swap, I'm gonna feel it with. - I know, I'm losing my money. - No, like, feel it with me. - Like, of course he got pub, but if you didn't even give me a upfront fee and we, yeah, no, no, no.

I can't write a circle mode for you and you don't give me a swap. - I'm not writing a circle mode and trying to get no swap. I want the money from that shape. - I don't know how you can do that. - Yeah, no matter, like, legally,

you have to get pub, no matter what. He didn't, like, ghosts write it, he wrote it. But, shit, and you're not even giving me some of the master on it. (laughing) - Yeah, I don't know, I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah,

we might have a little issue though, I ain't gonna love it. - A big issue, fuck a little, huh? - Yeah, I need my money, my verse, hold me. - And that's where the shit is, it's kind of fucked up, 'cause you're probably in creative mode, like,

man, that's game, I don't know, I shouldn't even have to ask. You just thinking, like, no matter what, when I need something, Travis will be right there. - You think so? - I know, and he was think so, yeah.

- But unfortunately, we notice not how this game, how this game goes, and then just, and if you don't work with that all the time, no matter what your relationship is with people, you know, it's not gonna be the way you anticipate it going.

It's always gonna be some fuck shit going on.

- Yeah, that's just the music industry. - How did you feel about the cutie verse?

“Verse three, Gina asked, and what about the man on the moon?”

So I was not really speaking to his relationship with cutie, but more so, Kanye and kid cutie, if you guys do remember when Pete Davidson was dating Kim Kardashian, Pete and cutie are close, and it appeared like cutie had taken Pete's side

in that entire thing. And so I say, what if a dope theme was around one of his kids' buddies, and they mama could hooked on it? - I mean, I want to say that's not fair to say, but Pete Davidson has been very open with his drug abuse.

And I don't think, I don't know Kim Kardashian, but I highly doubt that Kim was allowing drugs around her kids. But I see that point. And I could see Kanye even in, not excusing the mental state he was in at the time,

and I think he was just mad that Pete was fucking his wife. But yeah, I'd feel away if someone openly is talking about their drug use and his around my kids. Man, you get my kids tattooed on you after a week. Who's the mentally ill one here?

- Sure. - Great, I think objectively, Kanye was also filled with jealous rage, which a lot of men would be, and he didn't handle that well. And I don't know if it's great to have somebody

that is in a mentally ill state around their own children, at certain times. I'm not saying Kanye was the same in that. But no, I would feel a fucking way that my man cuties my men is.

And you hanging with somebody is getting my kids tattooed on their skin after a week of meeting them. - Yes, a little weird. - A little. - Yes, weird.

- I guess I view that drastically different. I like that side, I kept that very brief throughout the entire thing, 'cause yeah, cut it out, how would you feel? - Going into the push-in verse,

how did you feel about that? It was kind of what I expected, I suppose. I mean, again, us sitting with push-in and questioning him about good music stuff and him talking about his pedigree

and how he was raised, how he moves within that. He doesn't expect everyone to move the same way he does based off the morals that we're giving to him in the situations that he was in. Didn't shock me that Saha and Push got together.

After the first three verses are nothing, but artistry mess, we get to push. He's like, that's my man. - Yeah. - But that's, I feel like when it comes to artists,

and then being weird and creative people be weird sometimes. And especially if they want to raise the industry, if I am in environments, their loyalty and their outlooks on life do be weird and different.

“That's what an entertainment industry is so fucking weird,”

'cause it's full of people who were never raised

in certain ways that people like me, you are more or push it to you and Saha are raised. - I mean, 'cause I just spoke about that. He said, "I loyalty came from being in the streets." Like, that's what he learned about loyalty.

So, I mean, they shared that. It shared a lot of the same outlooks and views on certain things and certain things as men, we just don't sway on and, you know, it's just loyalty, it's honest, respect,

this integrity, morals and things like that. So, I mean, I wasn't expecting him to wrap about pushing and be saying anything other than not, we still, we still fuck with each other, we still cool. - I did laugh though at Saha having like a fisherman season,

other fisherman moment on tour when he realized push a T was bending his hangers, like he was cooking up coke. (laughing) - That just being in the green room, we're like, "Oh, okay." - Ah, he's no ball.

- Oh, all right, yeah, nothing. - Yeah, but I'm happy to know that they do still have like a strong relationship.

I would never think that push ever charged

for his verse on no no point. So, like, I would never even think push would do that with home team. - Yeah, all that, it's just funny, it was like a breath of fresh air halfway through the thing, like, "Oh, this is how shit is supposed to go."

- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Cool. - 'Cause when Gina said,

“I know you wouldn't push a T of a good relationship, right?”

I was like, "Oh, God, no." (laughing) - I would be like, "Oh, he shit, no." - This is Saha, this is fight. Though, I like the visual for it, like, you know what I mean? Like, breaking that like every bar, you give him the visual,

or the bar, you know, going where this, the loaf of bread, whatever it is. I love that, all of that is fighting. Saha, you my nigga, you know I love you. If we don't get a fucking album for it, like, "Come on, man, "we need to, I'm telling you, this is just a glimpse

"of what Saha does. "This is easy for Saha." - Yeah. - This is nothing. This is like, Saha's really one of the greatest pins and greatest rappers that we have.

Like, I'm just mad, he don't have the material to back that. No double Sundays to me, to me. I don't know if I speak of you or to me. Classic. I said just a last episode of, it's a personal classic to me. - If he had, if he had two more albums out,

that, let's not even say that it was better than in no double Sundays. Let's say that it was just either on part or a little less than no double on time. He would be in the same conversations with a lot

of these other rappers and MCs as being the best out right now. - But in listening to this whole record,

“do you kind of see why he hasn't had the output that he's put it?”

- But sometimes I felt like maybe a something Saha didn't want and he preferred. Because we messed up, he definitely has a, I want to be, like he doesn't want to be in the line. - I want to deal with the mess, sort of.

- Yeah, like he wants to do his own. - But he's dealing with the mess. - I don't want to say, I don't want to deal with the mess to the music business and then you dress and you drop things. - I know, I'm saying more of the mess of fame

and being out there constantly, being on the road. Like, I think sometimes he likes to just lay low, make his money, but you can see now all the insane shit that was happening behind the scenes. And we could all assume we just didn't know.

No one ever thought that good music was some well-oiled working machine.

We always knew there was some bullshit there.

But I never knew exactly why Saha was not having the output that I felt that he should. - Yeah. - And I mean, it also goes back to being signed to somebody that's in the peak of their career.

Like, you go through the gift and the curse. - All the albums and artists that he's talking about, look at this timeline, watch the throne. My beautiful daughter's was a fantasy, astral world. Like, look at the projects that he's working on at this time.

And I don't think good music had the biggest of staff. And Dev Jam got cut in half of that, so I'm like, no, I don't know if anyone was putting Saha as a priority outside of helping them with their shit. - Which goes back to my conversation

about how I might understand Travis's disloyalty.

“He had, I believe, a pub deal with good music.”

Which again, he was helping Kanye, helping people out. But he put everything out through Sony.

Like, he was never, he was never common big Sean Saha, Tiana.

Like, that was never a thing. So on the loyalty side to your point, I think it's more loyalty on friendship than it is loyalty because I'm signed to good music. Like, I've helped you on this, that's your kid's cut.

Like, to me, it's more of a loyalty friendship thing, rather than anything good music related. I thought the virtual, the virtual verse was interesting. And I don't want this to be a defend Kanye moment, the way that some of this record came across.

But one of my favorite Drake bars in W.P. freestyle is I'd never have a virtual in my circle home back because he made me nervous. Well, that is just a battle bar that is kind of how a lot of us felt when Virgil got the L.V. deal and how Kanye reacted to it.

Whereas we were assuming he was about to be really happy for his man's, and it came across as some jealousy shit. Did it not, yeah, that for him. And I think Kanye, and again, not excusing him, but Kanye has, I think, some difficulty, ironically,

coming across the way he's thinking in his brain. This did give some insight of maybe how Kanye actually felt. He felt like L.V. may have been using Virgil in that instance when he was beefing with them. Also with Nike, when off white happening,

I don't know any of this, and I'm not going to ever speak, especially for somebody that has passed recipes to Virgil. Maybe this was really Kanye's point of view, and it did not come across that way. It was just landed a little bit.

It landed way differently. It did a little bit. - That, no, they're using my friend. The anger is more towards L.V than it would be too Virgil in that instance. And if I was Virgil in that time,

You help me, but you're not even happy for me? Like, this is, I get announced as the first black man or what was this exact title? It was head of Louis Vuitton creative, right? - It's the same role that I'm-- - Virgil has no.

Yeah, I always thought Kanye looked insane for that,

but maybe this is really how he felt that they were using Virgil while he was beefing with them and just placed him there instead. And the same with Nike, we've heard his back and forth with him. I'm not saying Kanye West is right.

It's just a different perspective. - Just saw how I said it, is with the saw how to say the Kanye to tell you that you hate your sofa, and then help you, like, decorate your house. - decorate your house. (laughs)

That's fun, you know. - But, and this is why I'm gonna give some pushback to saw her. I do hate the Kanye says things that nerdy y'all won't, like, he says the things you're thinking.

Nah, that's not true. Everything Kanye said I wasn't thinking in my head and I was like, "Daw, I'm too scared to say it." - Well, see, that goes back to what we was told by the top with, if you don't agree with someone's gonna say the hate.

You see what I'm saying? It's like, why can't I just be like,

"No, I don't like your couch."

- Oh, fair. - I'm gonna help you. - 'Cause I think that's the couch you like. But then you gotta put this in here, you gotta dress up, you gotta have this type of carpet,

this type of, these type of arts on your walls, you gotta put this type of lamp and like, so it's not, it may come across like, and it's like, "Hey, no, my couch." Okay, but the nigga also did help you just

deck your whole spot out. Now the whole shit look different than look at it. It's fly. - It's not like, it's, it's, I wanna help you. - Yeah, like, it's not like I don't like that.

- I don't like that. - But you just did with this couch.

“But, all right, cool, that's what you're going with.”

All right, let me help you out, though. - But that sounds, that sounds good. - But like, then you get to Gina saying, what do you say about Jay-Z? I, I'm with you.

If Kanye's somewhat taste or certain things, cool. But Kanye's also said some insane things. - For sure. - About J. Beyonce's kids. - Oh 100%.

- So, these you can never come back from.

- Yeah. - And this was the only verse seven, I, I let the shit slide with the couch thing and I know Si, I obviously see Kanye West in a way different space than all of us.

He really knows him. We only see what we see. I've been around people of demon lunatics and I'm like, no, if you get to know that or I promise, they're not even like that.

That's just what you see. I can identify with that. So, I'm cool, I let that slide. But then when Gina asks about the Jay-Z shit, he said, yeah, I'm not a fan of it,

but you see the way they was sitting on them back in the day. No, those things don't add up. - No. - No. - Nah, I, I appreciate the size I said.

I'm not a fan of what he did to Jay. I don't think size ever would be. I've got calling their kids what Kanye said is, there's no defense on that. But, no, I didn't watch the,

what was it that he, not Jesus, the thing on Netflix. They created a computer. - It was genius, genius. - I didn't watch that and go, you know what, what he said about Jay-Z's kids is okay.

- You didn't know. - No. - Because Sherry was on a call, I didn't think like, you know what? He's a lot to say about that.

- Do you think this whole song kind of comes across as a, like, Kanye, like, defense? - Oh yeah, with, with understanding, like, with context. - With context, I said, Kanye defense,

“I think he's given context to things that happened”

from a perspective that none of us have. 'Cause obviously he was there, so he knows a lot of the nuances on certain things and why things played out the way he did. So I mean, if it feels like it's a,

in defense of Kanye, I understand, but it really is just given insight to, and given information that we didn't have on why certain things played out, why certain things didn't play out.

So yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say Kanye, like, I don't think he's defending, yeah, I think he's just given more context and information. And then you are, you can do what you want with that. Like, he's just giving more detailed events that happened.

And then you know, as a fan, as a listener, if you come across like, oh, I, I kind of understand, like Kanye wasn't, he wasn't wrong as I thought he was. Like, if you feel like that, cool, but I don't think that's, but Saha is trying to,

I don't think he's trying to defend Kanye in any way. - Yeah, I think he's really just given context to everything that happened over the last decade. - Yeah. - And I mean, he said that's his man's

and he's disagree with him, but what you suppose to do? You have a friend of your home and disagree with him. Like, yo, I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have said that. You while I'm for saying that. You still my man, but that was crazy.

“Like, that's, that's what friendships and relationships are.”

It's like, yo, I'm not gonna agree with, I don't wanna agree with everything my home he says or does. - Yeah. - Like, I wanna have some discourse

or some, you know, back and forth and argue in a little bit, like, yo, that was whack, like, you shouldn't have did that. Like, that's what makes friendships friendships. Like, we can disagree, but we can still respect each other's

And, you know what I mean?

“Like, I think that's what makes great friendships.”

Like, we can agree and disagree at the same time. And I think that's what Sahab basically was saying throughout most of this record. Like, yo, I didn't agree with a lot of that shit, but, you know, I know him in a different way as well.

I've seen things that he's done that was great for people and how you helped people at the same time. Even though he says, off the wall, crazy,

that you can never come back from, he's also done a lot

of good things for people at the same time. So, the biggest let down in this record was really the end. He did all that amazing rapping, put out the last two joints. All for Gina to say, what are we getting in the story of Mr. Yigat?

And I thought, okay, we got to close you here. He about to say March 15th. He said he said, yo, so... So, I love it. He'd know, I we done had these talks personally.

Like, I need the fuck. If you ain't gonna put it out, send it to my phone. I ain't got it. But I need to hit a music, man, 'cause like this, you can't give us no dope on Sundays and just,

like, I ain't cool. Like, I don't know when I'm put out my next shit. Like, that's just insane to give us the album like that rap. That was rap. Yeah. Like a real rap, real high level MCN. And then we don't get the follow-up to it.

Like, come on, so you gotta give us the album, bro. Yeah.

I and I'm curious, who's produced like,

who's producing on it with? Well, I put him in touch with a certain producer that he said he wanted to work with. And then I saw that producer and I asked, I don't see your side, he was like, yeah, but it ain't really,

I ain't spoke to him a lot, I was like, man. The guy. Okay. I mean, as much as I would love to see the Kanye West producer album,

I mean, size has been running around for 20 years. I know he knows his sound and has his relationships. So, if Kanye's not on it, it is what it is, but I still, in that seven, I would have liked to see size added to that.

When they were doing everything. Let me text Alchemist and see if he had them, man. Not you letting us know who the producer was. Not you dropping bombs. But I don't think it's not a bomb.

I mean, yeah, I don't think I didn't want to get something else about working with Alchemist.

“I think he might have said that with us.”

Like, that was like one producer that he had

always been wanting to work with.

And I couldn't believe that he never, him and Alchemist never even like touched. Connected touch. I mean, touch, I meant to say touch to being. I hope that he's the top of the record.

I hope I hope him and Alchemist have never touched. I bet touch and be some sort. I mean, don't do that. If whatever anyone is journey is, I don't think they did. But I don't think that's all.

I hope they got in touch. Yeah, in touch. I don't think that's all. Yeah. But I'm going to hit that track because I, as a, as a just a fan,

I would love to hear it with him and with Alchemist's side, we could go too. So I'm staying on music that Pimeon came out. Oh, my God. Yeah, I know.

I'm mad at Pimeon, man. No, why you mad? Why you mad? Let me gave us the greatest hum that got album. Like, let's say it was 19 minutes, 20 minutes?

Yeah, you know what, we're calling it album. I think this was just a follow-up because she had the interlude and had a lot of attention. Let me give them some music, not an EP per se. But I don't, like, count this as album.

It's only 17 minutes long. To me, this is just that here's some music. It's fire. It's incredible. This is like when you argue with your girl

and you hug her, and she just whip up a quick meal. That should fire, but it's like, it was only enough for one plate. It's like you're that sick and you ain't go shopping. What you mean, I ain't go shopping.

You can order, like, I loved it because it was steamed. It was steamed. Don't come home. It's literally, don't come home. Yeah.

You know, she said, "Stay till I hated you." I'm so predictable. (laughs) Look, man. That part, stun when I was driving on the west side.

- My business is so happy. - This project is so fire,

“but, Pemi, we love you, but you must not love us.”

Well, not, listen, putting a full project together, is tough and takes time. I think this is great to feed the fans in the meantime, while she's putting a proper debut together. If you have the attention you had,

come in off some sexy songs for you. All of us were like, who's that? That was a year ago. I think this is fun to feed, because also it taught me that her pen is crazy.

- What's still a layer of hope right now? Like, I knew she was dope and I liked the interlude, but, and there was that other one record that was on her DSP's page. I didn't know her pen was like this.

Her pen is crazy. Now, she, Pemi, is this project is so fire, but again, as soon as I was like, "Oh, like she's talking, it went into, "because you know how when you playing the album

"and just go into like an artist that kind of makes "similar music, I think some random ass." So I was like, "Yo, this ain't pen, you don't think you're, "then I look and it was all for ready." I'm like, "Oh, my gosh, this was just quick,

And it was like 18, maybe eights, 10 tracks, 18 minutes?

- I mean, I've been critical as to OVO as a label in the past,

but I've always appreciated this strategy with their new artists. Party did it. We got that major Jordan EP, which I think is a classic EP.

They do when they saw someone give you a quick representation of who they are, while the attention is on them. What they've done after I've disagreed with OVO is a label, but I always think that strategy is perfect. With a four batch, like you got some time right now,

people are focused on one song that they like, would you give them 17 minutes? - And it's great. - I get it, and this is fine. - But you might need to soon for a full penny album, like this is what I would you leave the streets for me,

and then 17 minutes later, project over. - What? - Yeah, come on. Would you leave the streets for me to see OVO? That was an opening bar. Pemi, this shit is fire, but the guy,

we could have let the music play a little longer. You could have gave us another four bars on every joint,

like this shit is dope, but it's 18 minutes is crazy.

- Yeah, I hear my bitch when she said, "Say less shit, I could do what you do but worse." So damn, what's the point of doing it like this? It was a long session, you know, I go. And the traffic was crazy, you know I go.

It was easier to sleep at the studio, see I could do a two-year shower, hell of a slow. Yeah, it was easier for me to sleep at the studio. - And then it was over? - I know. - I knew Roya Moss, too, though.

- And then it was over. - 20 seconds later, the soul was over. - Hey man. - That's my point. - It's enough, but then it got to point across. - No, talk about it. - Here's my thing.

And I mean, this respects me to Pemi. If I'm the guy she's talking about, after finishing this project, my thoughts are, I can still cheat on you. - No, you got Pemi, twist it.

- Pemi, twist it. - Yeah, that's it. - No, if you point, she didn't finish it.

It's just like she's talking, all right.

She's like, call me when you can't, yeah, I got to set you free. I got to set you free. When you done at that bitch house, call me so I could break up with you.

- That's no, to me. - Even on monogamy, when she was saying, you want to have her, but you can't have me. That sounds like a girl that is staying if you cheat. - She's a fuck whoever do whatever.

- Yeah. - Whatever do whatever, yeah, ego. - Yeah, that's my shit right there. What about this thing? - I put it up my story.

- Yeah, fuck whatever, do whatever you cheat. - Go tell her, do whatever, she's like, post whatever do whatever it ain't my concern. Fuck whoever do whatever you cheat, ego turn. I rather be alone and stay down for a whole.

So true, whoever bet it in the one you got at home, do the most, it doesn't matter, it's not my concern. I rather be alone, they stay down for a whole. - My bad. - Fuck you, tell Pemi and Pemi and Pemi and Pemi.

“- You know what I'm talking to, you know what I'm talking to?”

- Talk, yeah. (laughing) - Talk, yeah. - That would hit, different. - Yo, I ain't gonna lie, this project is dope, man, but it's like, Pemi just was like, huh?

- Yeah, yeah, leave me alone, stop asking. - I think where R&B is at, currently, and you can clearly tell the talent she has, I think, I think OVO has them an artist. - No, Pemi is like, I think she's, I don't wanna say

they got one 'cause that sounds so cliche and corny, but this was a good representation of, oh, she's actually talented. - Yeah. - She's dope.

- And it's the perfect time for this type of music. Ironically, we're gonna get to the Yeb album. I kind of felt like this Pemi's album was if Yeb and party next door had a kid. - Really?

- Pemi's album was if Yeb and party had a kid. - Yes. - Okay. - Throughout the whole, I was like, no, I mean, I mean, it's strike, of course Yeb is a better vocalist,

but there's very few vocalists on Earth that can really touch Yeb, so I don't mean that it's just like to Pemi,

“whatsoever, I think Pemi is a good vocalist.”

But it was like a Yeb tone if party was in the room writing everything from a woman's perspective. - No, okay. - Did you get a chance to listen to the Yeb album? - Yeah.

- Absolutely. - I didn't get to change some upset. How was it? - Oh, it's some great white soul in there. - Yeah.

- It's some great white soul in there. - Pemi, I almost fucked around and went on a road trip. (laughing) Almost jumped in the car and just went on a road trip. Like, listen to that, this is road trip music.

- Who you ever? - It's 1,000%. You gotta take a route, you gotta just drive. Don't you wanna know where you going? Just get in the car and fucking go.

- Yeah. - It like a luxury pickup truck. - Yeah. - Did she have another distance on there? 'Cause distance is what my favorite song is all.

- I wouldn't say another distance per se, but I do know what you're saying. It did lean. It leaned more in the white soul than I thought it was going to. - What do you mean?

- Not soul, white soul.

“Like, yeah, it was 'cause I think she's so scared”

to have any type of a Dell comparisons. - Well, I think she could do that lane. It's not country-esque, but it's a little more poppish than I would expect from Yeva, but I really, really did like it.

- No, okay. - I mean, but yeah, all right, it's close to that I guess.

That's the one that almost got me to drive all the way

to my fucking car. (laughing) - Yeah, what's the 70 years came on? I was like, I ever used gonna make me go, just go take a little road trip.

I don't know where I'm going, but I'm out. Did it touch a little into country more than you thought it would? I wanna say country, but there is a tone of country in it. Maybe I'm wrong.

- Maybe I'm wrong. - Yeah, I think he's from this house. - Should I, that's just how Ruth's. - Arkansas. - There you go, yeah, so Ruth, you're gonna hear it.

- Yeah, you're gonna hear it. - And you're gonna hear it. - It's just dabbleed in that a bit before,

“but I think on this album, it was a little bit more,”

but I did like it.

- No, this was, this album was incredible.

Like it's just, it's just, it's certain music you hear where you like, I, this is not what I would usually listen to, but it's good. It feels good, it sounds good, as well done. And then the lyrics, you know what I'm saying,

you can relate like, okay, she ain't talking her shit. But the music is not, it's not what you probably think it is, 'cause I think it's listed as alternative. - Yeah, that's it. - So it's not an R&B project.

- Yeah, it's really unexpected. But the vibe though, the energy is, - Dawn is under alternative as well though. - Is it? - Yeah, I would expect it to be under R&B as well.

- But yeah, it is listed under alternative though. - Yeah, it's definitely more, yeah, the music is a little more. - Dawn is more R&B, but she even pops off one record with God is good all the time, all the time, God is good, but I am fucking tired.

Like she's not, she's not dead ass. She's in that back, not dead.

“- You know what, yeah, it's something like that.”

- Fuckin' tired. (laughing) - No, I don't have time though, I just, I'm tired. - Yeah, like you are trying to listen, I'm trying to be listening, I love the Lord.

The Lord, he is my, he heard my cry. You get it to all that, but you know, I'm like, - What we all, yeah, what we all, what we all, which you all are sometimes. - Hey, that's all right, it's all right.

That's God, that, it's okay. But not as project is, it's project was though. This was a good music weekend. - It was great, great, this was a good music weekend. - Or if you like that type of music,

I still advise for you to check out Michael Franks. I still feel that you would love Michael Franks. - That was my list, let me read it. You had, Mike's Franks on your list. Did anything else drop?

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Plenty dropped, but what did you guys listen to this? I didn't listen to Jayce Kees and Elton beats, um, they probably got to get to listen to them. Listen to them checking out tonight though. Yeah, I'm definitely checking out this week. I'm like, excuse me.

Like we admittedly said that there was so much going on. Oh, Tatala's signed girl music volume one, I did listen to the EP. It's great. And my issue is I wish he didn't give us this EP and took these six records and gave us six more because then this is we had talked last episode for those of the

“listen, I think Ty is an icon, but I also put him kind of in the Chris Brown category of you”

having given me the class. I think free T.C. is a classic to me, but Ty and what he means to this generation has not given us that fucking classic. And like, though, you can't just throw intentions with Brandy on an EP, like here. That song is so fucking good. I just like these records, the featuring Tatala's on album. I think all six of these records are better than that whole album. And it's like, why can't we focus this type of sound and expand it

to a 12 track project? It's no, it's fine. I mean, clearly it says volume one. So I'm sure he has volume two with six records. Sure. But I know once we get to volume three, we're all going to come in here and say, man, what have been nice of you just put all these volumes together and made it a type of alicine album. Yeah. I just know we're going to get into that room, but I can appreciate that because Ty's one of those artists that records 75 songs a day, most of which that

like packs. I'm I'm fine with it because there's not a skip on this entire thing. Like leading

with, miss you two with Leon Thomas I understand. Leon's on fire. Anyone of these records could lead. Like it's, it's, it's a really, really good EP. I don't know if you'll notice, but we're getting back to short projects. Let's EP. No, not that. Even Jeb was out. That's only 40 minutes. Yeah. But that I mean, him and he gave us 18 got out of there. Like you're going to get you

“out of these 18 minutes and I got to go. Jeb gave us 40 minutes. The Naws buckly album I think is”

only like 40 minutes. But that's, we knew that was going to come back because when everyone was doing the 40 track projects or 23 records to try to trick the algorithm and streaming, everybody's not Chris Brown though. Yeah. Like, yes, that works for Chris because people love Chris Brown and are going to listen to 40 records from Chris Brown because he's Chris Brown. You, uh, Lil Zanex, Molly, Wetwap. No one wants to hear 40 records from you, though.

The world can only handle 40 minutes of music, especially when we have microwave brains right now. That's that thing. You could have long albums in this time because Chris Brown knows how to trick an algorithm is the dumbest fucking thing ever. Pimmies will do you a 30 minutes to go. You still like that project is so dope in 18 minutes. I know she had an, uh, one phone call with that nigga, we could have got another 20 minutes. I don't know you have more and it's not like

more than I've got it. She definitely got, she definitely cut all the, hey, those are Lucy's worried. Well, it would be dope though. Not to control what would would be dope though. As if that was the album, right? She gave us the 18 minutes and then that her shows the songs are longer. They got a live show. Yeah. That would be hard. But there's also a good way to test

“markets like to do live shows like that 17 minutes. I think it's a perfect strategy for”

it. Yeah. That's coming out the gate when you're not proven to give a full project can fail very easily. I don't care how talented you are. Like you got to ease people in the shit. 18 minutes, God damn. I don't know. I think that's perfect for that. Did you guys listen to the novels, Barclay album? I love novels, Barclay. Um, I love silo and I love dangermas. And Oh, so it's a go. So I love novels, Barclay. I love silo. It's not as, it's, it's just not, it's not,

it's, it's all over the place. It's, it's the music is very like over the place. Yeah. But it's not as though. It's just, you got to be in a certain headspace to kind of like listen to that project. Ah, there's just like, Joyce, there's a few. No, it's music on it. It's good music on it. But it's just, it's not what I was expecting. Like it's definitely not what I was expecting. It's like, oh, this is, oh, they went in hand with jam and like they were in the studio.

The jam said she couldn't music together. It's just like, okay, like I got a, like hold on, not right now. You can't go off of Pemi, yeah, but, and go novels on them. You can't go novels after Pemi. It's like not. And we on a whole different frequency right now. Okay. And like even the lyrical content like silo,

it was just a lot of weird content on there too. Things I've never heard silo say. Yeah. Like what?

It's just the whole album itself is very chaotic all over the place. Like there's joints that feel like, oh, Norris Barkley that like bring you back down to earth and calm. And then it goes in the most chaotic space ever, sonically. Like it's one of the albums that I'm going to need like, yeah, you got to need some months. You got to win a silk. You got to put some silk on to listen to this song. But also, was it like, was it really dark to you? Something like, were you listening to what silo was saying?

Like the first record really even starts out was take cover all guys, children, even the sun has

“gone to hide. The sky is raining bullets. I'll never forget the day that tomorrow died.”

We're all the same in death. Then it goes to amnesia, a nervous breakdown in a seizure, suspended and sweet nothing has been such a friend of me. I said, amnesia, I'm still a believer. If I come back

alive, anyone remember me? Like it's like the first two records are suicide notes.

Yeah, it was like the vibe was like, it was totally different. Like coming off of that pemi, that beautiful pemi tone and those lyrics and then hearing that, I was just like, I wasn't expecting this is, that's, that's just not what I was expecting from. Yeah, I was walking and I mean, I mean, danger mouse, I absolutely love. I'm curious what space he's into. I mean, that in a bad way, it's just, it's not what I was expecting I guess at all. I see why they didn't know roll out. I see

why they literally just said we're putting it out now. Here you go. This is going to take some time. I feel like, and I'm going to give it its proper lessons because these are two legends, but out the gate, it's not a bunch of who's going to save my souls now. That's not this out. No,

let me know. No, you don't know where they're going to be. Really? I'll give it a try, but

I was never a big no, I was sorry. Why I always love Norris Barkley's because they tricked the

“masses with crazy and fuck you and then you got to their albums and it was like, no, I think this”

saved that. Oh, yeah, we're not this pop group that you think we are. You see low endanger most. We can stay on music before we get out of here. Did you see that they've been killing Ebro for the past week? Yes, but we're what exactly? I've seen. I get it. I get it, I guess. On Ebro. Yeah, yeah. What do you bro do now, me? He bro. You're a bro so what you think? He's lying. He's lying. Oh, well, well, 10 years ago, and I'm paraphrasing here. So apologies,

Ebro. 10 years ago, Ozee went on hot 97 and Lake drama. Everyone had told him like, no, Ozee, he raps real, which Ozee does rap when he feels like rapper. Ozee can rap when he wants to.

Not saying that happens all the time, but Ozee can rap when he wants to. I can rap when I want to.

I mean, like, like actually rap. Yeah. Oh, my bad. All right. Well, you want to fucking do you and saw how I get in there? So he was on there and and Ebro wanted him to rap over

“some like boom bat beat and Ozee was like, I don't rap on this type of shit. And I remember that.”

And Ebro, again paraphrasing was like, well, that's what rappers can rap at anytime on any beat. If you just trying to pick a choose, that's why you may not be here. I'll still be here in 10 years. Meaning I'll still be at the radio station will be here. I'll be here everything in that regards. How everyone interpreted that? 10 years later, the anniversary pops up and they start comparing what happened to Ebro in 10 years and where Ozee is at. Because Ozee said he was a rock star

and Ebro's like, you not a rock star. You're not going to be here in 10 years.

And now it's 10 years later. Okay. So Ebro's direct quote is, I think they're celebrating that he's referring to Ozee still around. I lost the job and he got more money and he's still here. But I ask you, while his hit song is going around right now, are you guys highly anticipating in Ozee? I love Ebro. That's a fucking dodge. Come on, man. You know, you know, they're not celebrating that clip because Ozee's still here in 10 years. That's everyone's not going, yo, Ozee still

here in a decade later. No, they're laughing that you said, you would still be here and Ozee wouldn't. And you're not there and Ozee is still A to B list artists when he drops. Ozee still does crazy tickets and my anticipating in Ozee album that was such an unfair question because everyone that he was talking to in Ebro like myself included is not Ozee's audience. There's so many people still anticipating in Ozee vert album. We out of our fucking mind,

though, true, huge fan base. Even though one of his albums was a bit of a Dutch his own fans, all of our favorite rappers sometimes had a dud. If you are sitting here saying, I think they're celebrating that he's still around. But yo, or y'all even in just like, no, I'm not by his fan, there's a hundred thousand kids that are anticipating a little Ozee vert album. What do you talk about right here? We're not the audience for that.

But see, this is why I'd love Ebro. Ebro is really, really good at, at, like PR. He knows how to work things very well because he's been in this business for 40 years. I think they're celebrating that he's still around. No, you don't, Ebro. Ebro is one of the smartest people I have, but you don't think that. You know you can clown for that, you're diverting. Oh, he, no, he got no, he'd get killed for that. Like, that was what he thought was going to happen.

“Like, and that's what they supposed to do. Now that what is it? 10 years since he said that?”

Oh, yeah, they supposed to kill him for that. 2016. Yeah, as they should, kill Ebro. Oh, my god. I'm done joking. I said, I don't think Ozee has said out to be the quintessential rapper. What a quintessential rapper is. I don't think that's what he's been trying to do. I think that's the part where it's fan base and people who love what he does really love him because he's the kind, uh, it's trying to do other things and be said. But that's what he was trying to explain to

you in 2016. But that, that, yeah. Yeah. You, you explaining what he tried to explain to you in 2016 that you didn't understand is fucking hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm with Ebro, especially in 2016, we all come from that club. If you say you could rap and I don't want to beat, you know, you shouldn't be able to pick what beat or what sound a rapper should be able to do that. Sounds of chandelier. Ozee was trying to explain to you. That's not what I do.

And part of the reason why Ozee is still popping is because he didn't try to just beat a quintessential rapper. Yeah. Because he, he definitely would have been out of here if he was trying to do rap. Like, nobody, no, he had to be as colorful of an artist as different. He had to be that artist to still be relevant and just still have the fan base he has today. Like, he had to do that. And I mean, that's where I give drama, lake, cannon, the most credit. Like,

they built their label with Jack and other artists. The fact that they heard Ozee,

understood it to me makes them the best execs of generation, like the name of the fucking label.

Y'all are from the era of mixed tapes from rappers. How did you see this kid in a fucking kill? And go, you know what, I get it. And clearly they were fucking right. No, for sure. Because I would have heard that and be like, that's not for me. I don't know if I could sit and

“find your vision. You should find someone that can. But yeah, you've got to take that one on the”

chin. I am with Ebro, though. I'm not anticipating Ozee. Oh, you would. Yeah. Like, I'm so that's I'm saying I understand Ebro and that. Like, it's like, that's such a cop. All right. If you're telling someone they're not going to be here and I will be and I'm not there anymore. In 10 years later, you're asking a room for the people that are not Ozee fans if they're anticipating something

is the biggest cop out of it. Go ask Twitter. Last Twitter. Are you anticipating Ozee?

Outside of the actual trolls that will just be there to control. You're going to get a bunch of Ozee fans saying, yeah. The kids are anticipating Ozee. He's there. I don't even kids. He's there. Jake Cole. It's a fact. Like, but I've seen Ozee perform multiple times at festivals. It's a different level of fan base. You know, it's definitely not, it's not for me. Bro, when he hits them shoulders, people think, but he's he. Oh, there's no denying his star powder. There's no denying

that. He's definitely a star. Yeah. And he wanted to do other things. Yeah, Ebro. He tried to explain that to you. He's a whole office at rock nation that's just dedicated to cut and so. Is Ebro

“having a rough year like a rough year? You think so? I think it was a blessing that they got out of”

hot 97 probably. All right. I definitely think where hot was going. I think that was perfect for that. I actually think Ebro's probably having an amazing year to get out of that something that was a burden at that point for you. No, he grows doing great. I like to add on with their show as well or at Apple. I like the guys that they added in. I think that that just brings more conversation everything. Yeah. Bro, Ebro likes to be hated, which he's admitted and he's extremely good at talking.

Ebro will always be fine. Ebro actually has talent. He has perspective. Ebro will always be

fine. And people don't know what he does behind the scenes for Apple II. He's not just talking head. Yeah. So no, I'm, I think Ebro's to give Rose doing just fine. You know, I didn't, when I said a tough year, I didn't mean to buy me a chili. No, no, no, of course, of course. I mean, you're saying like a public perception. Yeah, public perception may shout out to Ebro laurel styles and a roseberg. They had Ebro's daughter on their show at home about her flag

football league. Like, that was like the fly should ever do me. Have your daughter plug her flag football league on your podcast? Amar is going to come on here and just paint for two hours. Right. Why were recording one day? All my, all the kids are coming away. Hurry up, have some kids. We're doing the kids, guys. I'm having them in two years. So three, three years. Do we know, oh, we know the father yet? Do you know him? I don't know him. I mean,

I'm fucking like, yeah, I don't know what we talk about. Well, no, are you on home yet? Well, I don't know. I might know him. I might not. I don't know. Where every yellow brick roll leads me. I'm going to treat you like this Aussie Ebro in 10 years. I'm like, you're, I thought you ain't noticing. I can't wait. I can't wait to. I see you. You have a baby. Yeah. I'm like the marriage. I thought you said you ain't noticing.

You're going to be a god dad. For sure. Oh, okay. For sure. No, me. I can be the god father. I can want me to dress up as a god father, too. Like, I don't know how. Like, what do you mean try? What would you know? I father to movie. I got to wear like that suit that hat. Oh, cold on over this. No, he won't. The god speed is five. The silk scarf. I got to have a silk scarf on.

No, I do the suit with a burger. We piece that the god speed father. The god speed father. I am the god speed father. Yeah, put that on and put the silk scarf on. Right? No, you won't want me to do that. No, I just want you to, you know, train him up in the way of men. God. Oh, yeah. That's he's I got you. Okay, press the Rihanna. Yeah. Thank God. She was thank god. That's something got a family of safe Rihanna's home with shot up when we shot every

Rihanna's home in. I think Beverly Hills, right. Yeah. Um, she was on Rihanna was home when the event happened. Oh, she was. I'm sorry. I thought she was. She wasn't home. Oh, yeah. She's Christ. Thank God. I think her in her to kids. I think they were all home. Yes, they were. Um, but the woman was she was a pepper hand that she was arrested and she's booked on the tempted murder charges and that carries a 35 year sentence if convicted. So hopefully that woman

is convicted and get 35 years in prison. I'm just shooting at anybody's home as crazy. Like, I don't, you know, obviously this woman is not mentally, you know, there. But either way,

“I mean, there's no sympathy for that. You shoot at somebody's house. You should face face the”

maximum penalty. So glad Rihanna, her family are safe. Um, glad anybody else that was in that

was killed in their kitchen ran person just broken to the house and shot us. So she like this is scary.

But, you know, this is the world we live in. So prayers to Rihanna, her family, thank God that you see, I don't want to speak anything into existence. I'm just observing how the internet works now, how the Stan World works now. It's crazy. I hope we don't start to see more of this. And in my head, I'm thinking we're going to start to see more of this. But I'm trying not to be pessimistic or speak anything negative in the world. But the way people are moving, how accessible

celebrities are, how easy it is to get the address and know where people are and how sick in the head, social media has made some of these Stan groups. I would not shock me if this does not

“become more of a thing. No, but that's why I want like this. I wanted to get 35 years. You got to”

set the example. If you should, if you shoot into a house with kids in it, I understand that's

not a murder charge that would carry life. But it should be more than 35 years. I don't know if therapy is going to, if this woman's going to come out in 35 years and be rehabilitated. I think that's still a danger to society. If you're sick in the head enough to go in front of someone's house that you do not know. But because they're a celebrity and start shooting into their house with kids. Yeah, that's crazy. I don't know if you're going to come out in 35 and be like,

you know what? I was a different brother. I learned my lesson. Yeah. Give them 35 years. Keep people like that all the streets because like you said, innocent people just in their home and somebody's shooting at them. You need to make an example out of that person. Yeah. Before we get out of here, also speaking of Ebro, Stove God was on Apple talking about his project. He has put you to see an west side gun or the only features completely produced by Swiss beats. I love Swiss,

“friend of the show, our brother and arms. I will be honest. I think this is either going to be”

absolutely amazing or completely miss. I don't think there'll be a middle ground. I don't know

how, like, I feel you. I'm just saying, I love Swiss a lot. One of the greatest producers ever. If he's not locked in and Stove God is his only priority in focus, it would make me nervous. But I do think Stove God is really great at picking beats. So I hope that off. Great at picking beats. Great at writing hooks. So great at melodies. Great at melodies. Great at bars. I hope he's just as involved in the production.

I hope it's not here's 10 beats I made. You wrap on them now. What a song that they put out. The Swiss joint. The first record. So if we got 10 mortals, yeah. All's all's good. All's well. I do hope Swiss is heavily involved with the visuals and directing the music, the artistic creativity,

“artistic direction of it all. Yeah, because Swiss is great at that stuff. I'm excited for that.”

All right. Well, good to see you guys. Good to be back with the gang gang gang gang. Yes, sir. Baby, check out that. Yeah, but project. Check it out. Some joints on there. Just don't end up in Montana. Might just end up in a car and just, you know, I like to go for walks on music like that walks. You're about to, you want to eat a crib? You about to be in Rhode Island. So anywhere about you walk it rolled out. Yeah. Yeah. It was a good nature walk. One thousand percent. You could walk

to Rhode Island on it. You could definitely put you up on it. Just go to Central Park. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 65, 70 degrees out. Perfect time. Just listen to you ever and go to Central Park and just walk around. You might see Kevin McAllister who knows. You might who knows this nice out. All right. We'll talk to you all soon. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. That's baby day. No. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

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