How Dr. Fauci's Media Pals Covered for Him

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with both of them, talking about a lot of stuff in the news and about America and about their separate visions. But before they join us, my report in monologue, kind of part two from what I talked to you about on Tuesday, about Anthony Fauci, and how his confrontation

with the Republicans in the Senate at particularly Rand Paul is being received and most specifically how it's being treated by Democrats and their allies in the dominant media. I don't relish playing the role of a peacemaker,

of explainer and chief in the media.

But I feel like the Democrats and the people,

my colleagues who work in dominant media, I feel like they don't quite get what's happening. I think they don't quite get the anger. Now, I've heard from many people on the left, many of the nextors on the left,

from my monologue on Tuesday. You don't appreciate what Dr. Fauci has done. You didn't do your monologue on what a horrible job Donald Trump did during the pandemic. Dr. Fauci's an 85-year-old man, leave him alone.

Dr. Fauci is a great public servant. I don't deny any of those things, or at least not most of them. I don't have to say everything about everything every time I do a monologue.

And right now, my concern is a journalist and is someone who's trying to, maybe bridge if some of the divides in America, is to try to get the people on the left in the media and in the Democratic Party

to understand what's animating, Rand Paul, and most not all, but most of his colleagues, about their fear about Dr. Fauci. Okay, this is not a fight about whether he could take the Fifth Amendment or not.

Because he goes before the committee and they make him sit there for three hours and repeat the same thing over and over again. The guy has to take the Fifth, because even though he was pardoned by Joe Biden,

and by the way, I'd love an explanation from Joe Biden about why he felt he needed to pardon Dr. Fauci, but leave that aside. He's got to take the Fifth, because he could be worried that something he said could be used against him

in a state case, Florida, Attorney General's already saying he's doing one. Future prosecution, 'cause his pardoned by Joe Biden only covers things that happened up until the pardon. So really, I understand why Republicans are upset

that he took the Fifth, but no serious person who understands the law could be grudge in that. Okay, you don't wanna spend his remaining time on Earth in prison. For those of you, didn't see the hearings

and don't own a phone or a tablet or a TV. Here's one of the 105 times or so, Dr. Fauci played the Fifth before Rand Paul's committee on Wednesday, S1, please. Do you have that in front of you?

On the advice of Council, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment, let the Constitution. Let the record record that the witness has refused to answer whether there's a folder in front of him,

based on his Fifth Amendment right. Okay, so, did they wanna embarrass him? Did they wanna put him in prison?

“Partly, some of 'em, but what Rand Paul wants, I believe,”

and what he said he wants, is he wants accountability? Okay, no one had a good time during COVID, but people in Red America in particular, they wanna accountability, they wanna accountability for a range of things.

And they believe, I believe rightly, that some of that accountability needs to come from Dr. Fauci, okay? And their frustration about his unwillingness to answer questions comes in part

because they believe he owes accountability, but it also comes because the guy has spent his life,

testifying before Congress.

“And talking about his willingness to testify,”

here he is just four years ago, when asked about engaging in the process of congressional oversight as 17, please. Well, if I become a punching bag up, I'm a punching bag,

but I am very happy to testify before any congressional oversight committee. I have nothing to hide. I can explain and validate everything that I've done. So, you know, it's gonna be inconvenient

if they actually out there essentially threatening to make my life miserable, but it's, I mean, I'm gonna do what I need to do, and that is co-operate fully, 'cause we have nothing to hide at all.

Okay, so there's four big areas

that the committee was interested in talking to him about. And it has to be him, it can't be somebody else. One is, did he fund gain a function research that got money that got to that Chinese lab where the virus seems to have begun,

or likely to have begun?

“We just don't really have the complete story on that.”

And there needs to be accountability on that. Let's say Dr. Fauci did. If he wants to explain what happened, we should hear it. We should understand what his role was. Number two, area of accountability is the origin of the virus.

And the failure, and I put President Trump in the same basket, even though he has talked about it for a long time, the China virus. It China did this, where they did it on purpose, or they did it inadvertently.

People want accountability for that, understandably so. History deserves an understanding of it, but the American people deserve accountability for those who like Dr. Fauci played down

the possibility that this came from the lab as opposed to occurring naturally through an animal.

Third area they want accountability from

is Dr. Fauci's role in annunciating policies related to the pandemic, masking, social distancing, closing schools, closing businesses. And the gap between what we know from Dr. Fauci's private diaries that were released no longer private.

The gap between the science that he had and his belief in the efficacy of these things and what he was saying publicly. And the fourth area of accountability is the narcissistic ego maniacal media, fame, obsession,

the Dr. Fauci had. Some people say, well, why do they need accountability on that? If you read the diaries, the man was operating with a massive focus on a grand diamond, winning prize money,

hanging out with celebrities, being on television. We have to understand how that happened. The mindset of someone who would simultaneously have a major role or the pre-eminent roles in dealing with an historic pandemic

and an obsession with all those things, okay? Why has he been single that? Well, he had a big role, but the other thing is, and I talked about this a bit on Tuesday, the guy has been part of,

whether he would call it the deep state or the establishment or the political media complex. The guy has been a central part of that for years. It's all over the diaries. The friendships and closeness and collaboration

that he had with leading members of the print and broadcasted video online media went on for decades. If we saw his diaries and his account of his relationships with the media in Washington for 40 or 50 years, it'd be very similar to that.

I saw that. I grew up in Washington, and I knew he was that, and I was a reporter in Washington for a time, and I saw how Dr. Fajou is treated by my colleagues. Nice guy loved hanging out with reporters,

and you see that in the diaries. So those are the areas the press wants to get into. The Republicans want to get into. The coverage, as I talked about on Tuesday, I have the diaries in the dominant media,

was pathetic. It did not put in sharp relief either his obsession with fame and the implications of that. Or those three big questions. Gain of Function Research Funding,

Origin of the Virus,

“and his role in COVID policy that restricted our liberties, okay?”

And I knew, I wasn't sure he was going to take the fifth, but I thought he might, but I knew what the coverage of the hearing would be like. And I was right. The coverage of the hearing is in the dominant media for the most part.

It's about the process. He took the fifth, 100, and whatever times. He was in a confrontation with Rand Paul, who he's had confrontations within the past. Rand Paul's going to maybe try to figure out how to make a referral, okay?

which had this been a Republican it would have been.

“Number one, what are the questions he won't answer?”

What are the substantive questions that I've laid out here already that he won't answer? That the public has an extremely compelling interest to getting to the bottom of, this isn't about his personal financial dealings.

This isn't about some little rock land deal. This is about policy making at the highest levels that impacted millions and millions of people, okay? So that's one. And then the other is just the fact that he won't talk.

Now again, I understand why he took the fifth, but had this been a Republican, you would have seen words like stonewalling, okay? Refusing to answer, not cast as, oh, he's in the smart to take the fifth, which again, he is, okay?

Now, we looked at a ton of media coverage of the hearing from the dominant media. We could show you tons of it. And all of it will illustrate the point that almost none of the coverage is about what this is actually about.

I'm going to show you some of it just so you get a sense, but trust me, we could spend an hour on it. Here's a database on CNN talking about the hearing.

“Shortly, I think while it was still underway,”

or maybe shortly after it ended, this is S2, please. - I think that maybe a kernel of it is finding some motivating something in the base, but it's really Rand Paul obsessed with this

and not wanting to let it go. - Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. Donald, or Rand Paul has been obsessed with this. Since COVID happened, Dr. Fauci thinks that Rand Paul was sent her to the central

to the conspirate what he called conspiracy theories about the origins of COVID and Rand Paul thinks that Dr. Fauci has been lying to the country about China's role in COVID. And so, yes, this is thinking back to COVID hearings,

where Rand Paul and Dr. Fauci were screaming at each other

in these hearings, and finally, Rand Paul has an opportunity

to bring Fauci before the committee again. And that second voice is Lee Ann called well, who covers Capitol Hill for Pock. And they picked up on what Dr. Fauci says. This is about Rand Paul's obsession.

They also alluded there at the beginning to this is about the politics. I'm talking to people in both parties. I don't really know which way the politics cuts. Going after Dr. Fauci certainly inspires some red voters.

But it's not talking about the economy or affordability. So, but I don't think I don't actually think that during this for the politics and casting it as an obsession. That's a super popular way for the media to talk about this. Here's another way the media talks about it.

This is Abby Philip on CNN and also S22, please. - Well, look in reality, right, public service and public servants should be respected. Everyone who is in that hearing in the meeting room. But what's happened is this is an assault on science

and scientists. And unfortunately, Dr. Fauci is in that seat. 38 years of service to the country. One of the best known scientists for infectious disease. Unfortunately, has taken a lot of heat for probably a lot of, shall we say, issues that we're not fully his.

He didn't make all the decisions to drove the COVID pandemic, but you are right that he is one of the most respected scientists and should be respected in that same sort of way. Today, we certainly didn't learn anything from the way the hearing was held. - So, yeah, well, we didn't learn anything

because he took the fifth, which I understand. Again, emphasis on his respected scientists. He, just as president, Trump is president and he's not above scrutiny for his role in this. Dr. Fauci should not be above scrutiny.

TMZ now covers Washington. Here's Harvey Levin of TMZ. He's explaining what he thinks the hearing is of what this is all about as 14, please. They want to take something that Anthony Fauci says

and then claim it amounts to perjury and they want to prosecute him. They want to convict him and they want to throw him in prison. That's the point of this hearing. There is no other point of this hearing.

- I respectfully dissent the gentleman from Hollywood because there is another point.

First of all, Rand Paul can't indict anybody.

He can't send anyone to prison.

“And I think if the Trump administration thought”

they had something on Dr. Fauci despite his being pardoned by Joe Biden and a comprehensive full on pardon, they'd indict him. But they're not going to get him in a perjury trap because he didn't testify.

But what I will say is, again, Dr. Fauci could write an essay. That's what I recommend you do. Write an essay, explain, answer all the questions.

Give us your answers. That'd be in the public interest,

“but that's probably not going to happen.”

But I go back to why did they do this? What's the point of this hearing? The point of this hearing is Rand Paul said it. Rand Paul said what the point is. I think if Rand Paul had a choice

between getting the information from Dr. Fauci hear him apologize versus putting him in prison, he would take the former. Here's Rand Paul, one of the many explanations he's given since the hearing ended of what he was looking for

and why he was disappointed. This is S7, please. - I was disappointed, I hoped that he would come forward and perhaps apologize.

A million Americans died and many people,

myself included, believe that this virus came from a lab that was funded by the U.S. government. The decision for that funding came from Anthony Fauci. A terrible mistake, maybe one of the greatest mistakes in modern medical history to fund this dangerous research

in a less than safe lab in a totalitarian country.

“But I think what we did learn is we saw a constellation”

of what he was saying privately and then what he was saying publicly. - So I'm saying to my colleagues in the press, all you want, question the motives of the Republicans, feel free, that's part of our job,

wonder about their motives, question number two. Re-raise the issue of Dr. of a President Trump's role in the decision making. Of course, think about doing that. There hasn't been enough scrutiny on that.

But when it comes to the point of this hearing and to Dr. Fauci, I'd ask you to think about why there's so much emotion around this for the Republicans on that committee and for their constituents and not just in red states

in talking to Republicans this week, I heard the same thing over and over as I was asking him, why is this such a priority for this committee?

The answer is, the country needs a reckoning,

the country needs an account, the country needs an understanding of the role this man played in one of the most momentous decisions, still having repercussions, loved ones lost, children's lives and education disrupted,

businesses gone. We need an accounting, and we haven't had it, we have not had a 9/11 commission or these other types of post-attragity commissions. We have to have an accounting.

So approach your coverage of this with a belief that what Rand Paul is asking for is not only reasonable but is essential. Approaches from the point of view, we now know from Dr. Fauci's diaries

that he's not the greatest person who's ever lived. He's not a saint, he's not, he may be your friend, if you're in the media, but he's not beyond reproach. He does not represent as he said famously, as we show John Tuesday, he's not represent science.

What he is is someone about whom there's a great deal

of suspicion, and I'll say, finally, to my colleagues

in the media, the more you protect Dr. Fauci, the more you celebrate his career, the more you suggest that he's being, it's as an obsessive witch hunt, rather than a search for facts, the more you do that.

Despite you're trying to help Dr. Fauci, you're actually hurting him, you're actually raising the anger level against him, and against yourselves, be vigilant, regardless of party, regardless of whether it's about

someone you've been friends with in Chevy Chase and Northwest Washington. Follow the facts and understand that in this case, this is not a normal topic, this is not a normal congressional hearing.

This is a search for understanding about one of the most searing events any of us have lived through. And Rand Paul has said, he wants the facts. Let's try to figure out as a country

without Dr. Fauci giving up his rights against self-incrimination. Let's see if we can figure out how to do it. I continue to talk to Democrats and people in the media about this this week, since the hearing,

who look at me like I'm nuts. What are you talking about? Look what Donald Trump did during COVID. Dr. Fauci's such a great guy get off that orientation. It's not serving our business

and it's not serving our country and it's not serving Democrats very well. All right, there you have it. Let me know what you think. Email me your thoughts about Dr. Fauci

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I said that, right? A new American Revolution. Chris is just such a thoughtful political analyst about one of the central questions and not just our politics, but our country today,

which is what's going to be the future contribution, identity, and political orientation of our vast and growing Latino community. Without making the assumption that many in the media made that Latinos should vote democratic

and next up in here is Chris Salcedo. Chris, welcome in.

- Great to see you, Mark.

Thank you for the invite, man. - Tell me the story of the South Sato family. Where did your grandparents live, where did your parents live, where were you born? Grandparents lived in a place called El Centro, California,

at least on my father's side, my mother's side, Michigan. And I was born in Raisin, San Diego. And right up until, what was it? 2005, 2006, when I got a job in Texas and thank God I did, that I not discover the land of milk and honey

and move to the free state of Texas. And turns out, got out just in time because the Marxist Revolution, there was about ready to capture the people's Republic of California, I took full force just after I left.

And it is a shell of its former self. - Where were your great grandparents from? - Great grandparents from, must have been from Mexico. That's where the origins of, on my father's side, my mother's side must have been great, great, great grandparents.

You know, I still think it was Michigan. I still think that's where they settled. - Yeah. - As you write in the book, and as you've talked about your whole career,

there are a lot of elements of the conservative wing of conservative ideology, conservative thought the Republican Party that are very consistent with a lot of Hispanic culture. Family, traditional values, free markets.

What, what has up until relatively recently, what has made more Hispanics, regardless of whether they're from Al Salvador, Mexico, or anywhere else, Cuba's in exception? What has made them Democrats?

What has drawn many to the Democratic Party? - I would say the same snake oil that is load so many Americans into voting Democrat. And again, if we look at the history, I think the last real pro-American Democrat president

we had was Kennedy, and maybe you can make a case for Clinton, but there are a lot of it stems from traditional voting. A lot of it stems from GMI, my great-great-grandparents voted Democrat,

and so my grandparents voted Democrat, and my parents voted Democrat.

“So that's what a lot of that is in place.”

And that's just not indicative of the Latino community. It's indicative across the board to tell these political parties, both of them that have not accorded themselves well, in my opinion, both of those parties,

and not accorded themselves well. It's a tradition that has been passed down through lineage or the year of Latino or not. And I think that there has been a tendency among those who live in the United States not to examine

what the parties say they should be, and a not so careful examination of what they've devolved into. - Yeah, there's this concentration and you've alluded to it now a couple of times

in how you think about these and how I think about them. We just, you want to emphasize the individual. You don't want to say you're a Latino and therefore certain things have to be true about you.

But at the same time, what you're doing

and what we are doing is we're analyzing Latinos as a group. So that tension runs through all of this, I get that. But if you think about the targeting of Latinos by the Republican Party, you go back to John McCain, say, and start there, a George W. Bush actually start there.

So George W. Bush in 2000. So for a quarter century, as the demographics have become clear, the Republican leadership, presidential candidates, and party strategists would say, we need to do better with Latino voters.

We're being extinct party as Latinos grow and in size, the demographic, we need to appeal there. George Bush tried, John McCain tried, Mitt Romney tried, and none of them did particularly well. And even though John McCain had done quite well,

then comes Long Donald Trump, who the Democrats, the media would say, well, this guy's not John McCain. And this guy's not from Arizona. This guy has no history of winning Latino votes. And yet, the demographic, the exit polls,

and the polling are clear in 2016, 2020, 2024. Donald Trump did quite well with his spammy voters. What happened? How did Donald Trump succeed? Where George W. Bush from Texas, John McCain from Arizona,

Mitt Romney from Massachusetts, Utah, whatever. How did the guy from Manhattan succeed where his predecessors had failed? I'll tell you a story. I'll start off by telling the story.

When I speak in front of Republican groups as a conservative, I don't identify these days in particular with the way the Republican Party is conducting itself. I don't identify as a Republican. I haven't for eight years.

I'm a conservative. In my mind, I'm as ideologically superior to the Republicans as they are to Democrats. So this is the story.

They always ask me, how do we quote appeal?

And I've heard about the successively of the book. How do we appeal to the Latino community? And I always set them up, and I'm probably going to be giving away the ghost to some future speeches. But I don't mind doing it on your program.

I say, everybody grab a pencil and paper. I want you, and invariably, you're going to see all these people who are grabbing pencils and paper there, are feverishly prepared or write down whatever I'm about, the wisdom I'm about ready to disseminate.

And this is where Romney failed. This is where Bush failed. This is where McCain failed.

“I say, this is the secret to appealing to Latinos.”

Talk to them. Which, of course, Bush and McCain and Romney thought, we could appeal to Hispanics by catering to illegal immigration. We, as Republicans, bought into this Democrat

flap trap that Latinos covet breaking laws, that the Latinos covet violating the Constitution. So they bought into this. And so they, they hemmed in their heart, and they gave away certain sovereignty

of the United States away, thinking that they would win over liberty-loving Latinos, which they did not. You've got the combination of the Democrats with their massive illegal immigration push

under a person I call Beijing Biden and President Auto Pen. We're talking an estimated over 15 million illegal aliens coming into the country. With President Trump saying, look, this is not the way to go.

You people in the Latino community, you're being ignored by Democrats, especially along the southern border. I am going to bring back law and order and assemblance of legal immigration

and lawful immigration. I'm going to save your communities.

“And that's why you saw all of those blue communities”

along the border mark flip from blue to red. It's why you saw the majority of Latino men, first time in Republican history and US history, both for the Republican and 48% of the Latinos

at large vote for President Trump never happened.

George Bush couldn't touch those numbers. McCain couldn't touch those numbers. Romney couldn't touch those numbers. Because President Trump said, I'm going to talk to Latinos like they are Americans.

And guess what, we responded. - Yeah, and it's not just the border, but for a lot of Latinos, it isn't, of course, that runs against the Democratic Net narrative and some of the media in the narrative.

I think, well, of course, Latinos want to open border. Again, I don't know why anyone would make the claim, but that's what they have in their mind. Now, I don't like to judge an election before it happens. So we can't say what's going to happen in November,

but what we can say is the polls are quite clear now. That a lot of Latinos who voted for the President have drifted away from the Republican Party right now, including in your Texas, where their indications that part of that is, they don't want the border open,

but they also don't want ICE and Minnesota killing people, or in Maine killing people. So do you accept the premise that some Latinos don't like what's happened, how ICE has been dealing

“with things, not on the border, but on the interior?”

- Well, I think that they don't like the information they've been given. I mean, and again, I think you phrased it like so many

They're killing, quote, people.

Now, what did these people do?

“Many of these, quote, people used their vehicles”

to try to kill ICE agents. Those are deadly weapons, and when Latinos are presented with the facts of these cases, they say, so do you think that ICE agent should have allowed himself to be killed rather than return fire

and try to defend his life? And then most Latinos will say, well, no, that's wrong. We have ICE agents being shot at now by leftwing extremists when you present the facts to the Latino community saying, do you believe that ICE agents ought to be shot at

because they're doing their duty, which is to stop rampant uncontrolled illegal immigration? When they're presented with the facts, most Latinos will come. As most Americans will, will come to the right conclusion.

The problem is there's been a concerted propaganda campaign

in this country by the leftwing press who is on purpose distorted 11 deaths as people, not as individuals who were themselves criminally Galalians who were weaponizing against federal officials.

“And when you ask the question, do you believe”

that people should be allowed to target in kill ICE agents without ICE agents responding? It's quite a different answer, but to your point. The polling is showing that some of this what I would classify as propaganda is working to a certain degree,

but I would say, and Reagan said this better than I could, that the American people, and that includes Latinos when they're presented with the facts, they usually make the right decision, but there is a cabal of individuals

that the Uniparty both parties who are making sure

that our people, Americans, are not getting the facts

they deserve to make the right decisions. - All right, let me clarify, because I haven't talked to you to one, I forgot I need to speak precisely, or you'll lump me in with Abbey Philip. - Some of the people who've been killed were in a confrontational

posture towards law enforcement, and law enforcement, whether it's border protection, or whether it's ICE, they have dangerous jobs, and so we need to understand all the circumstances. Some of them were here illegally,

and some of them were maybe criminals, in addition to the crime of coming here illegally, but not all the people killed fit those categories, but in addition to the deaths which get a lot of attention, my sense of things, is that some Latinos say,

when the President Trump said that these interior operations would be removing the worst of the worst, or removing criminals, yeah, yeah, broad support for that amongst Latinos and not, but what I find and talk to folks in doing my reporting

and watching a situation is these large scale enterprises that are intimidating some people who are in the country legally, but maybe live with someone who's not, that there is, I'll use the shorthand.

There's racial profiling going on. There's terrorism of terrorizing of young children of people who are here illegally, and that that accounts for some of the Hispanic vote in the polls now saying, you know what,

I'm not as enthusiastic about this, because it's moved from simply removing the worst of the worst, too, broad-based parking lots outside where people gather to get jobs, or other places, schools, and they don't like that.

They find that to be in a front to their brethren, brothers and sisters, what do you think about that? - Well, I bristle at the characterization of racial profiling, because there is a group of people in this country who believe that if you're talking about any illegal alien,

“you must be talking about somebody who looks like me.”

- Well, a lot of the operations do involve people who look like this. - Well, and as Tom Holman has rightly pointed out, that in the course of going after the worst of the worst, I run across a rank-and-file illegal alien

who has no right to be in the United States, and I would have words with anybody who claims illegal aliens have a right to be in the United States, which they do not. - Tom, totally agree with you. - Yeah, a ruling, I think it was the fifth circuit

Court of Appeals ruled that illegal aliens, at this point, who are in deportation proceedings, do not have a right to wander around the country. - It seems logical that that would be the case, but we've not been operating out of that rubric.

I would go a step further and say that no illegally and has the right to have one pinky toe in the United States of America, and home is said, that if I run across somebody who is illegally here, I'm not going to just look the other way,

they deserve to be taken into custody and deported out of the country. And a lot of people are bristling at that. If you read Preeter Switters' new book called Silent Cool. - Yeah, he's been on the program, and we've talked about it.

- Yes, you will know that there are elements in our own government, mostly left-wing, but some Republicans, who are colluding and collaborating

as a weapon to fundamentally change

the United States of America. It is not a theory.

“It is an open-stated agenda item of America's enemies”

and this massive wave of humanity that is coming into the United States has a purpose, and that is to undermine the sovereignty of the United States of America, and what you're seeing from President Trump

and Stephen Miller and all the bookie men that the left-wing likes to point out, the left-wing that is very much in collusion with enemies of the United States is that they want to put a stop to it.

And just because certain elements in our political system deemed that they want to cooperate for their political advantage with enemy nations because they see the advantage politically. It doesn't mean the rest of America has to go along with that lawlessness.

- Yeah, well, the first Latino-Presonite states

be a Republican or Democrat and why. - Well, you and I remember the whole rigour malole around Miguel Estudado and what Democrats were saying behind the scenes is to why that nominee,

“I think it was the D.C. Court of Appeals”

that he was up for, one step away from the Supreme Court, the reason why the Democrats opposed him was because he was, quote, "Alatino." And they couldn't afford to have a conservative Latino being nominated by Republican because it would destroy an area.

- Yeah, so just to be clear, this was before there had been a Democratic Latino on the Supreme Court. - I call Australia a brilliant young handsome dynamic jurist who had he been elevated to the Court of Appeals successfully would have seen as a shoe-in for the next Republicans

of Supreme Court nominee. And what you're saying is, Democrats said, "We ought to mobilize and stop this guy." - Correct, and there are many in the Republican Party who don't see an advantage in their particular districts

or their particular mindset. Some of these old thinking individuals that was alluding to earlier the Bush's, the McCains, the Romneys of the World, who don't see an advantage in being the one

who would nominate for President of the United States, "Alatino," that being said. If you look at the roster of those who are loudmouthed leftist Latinos and those who are traditional American, here I say even conservative Latinos,

Marco Rubio makes a very strong case for President of the United States, Senator Ted Cruz, makes a very strong case for President of the United States. If I were a betting man, and this country was betting on qualifications,

I would say those have a shoe-in over and Alatino, Councilor Cortez, who is a loudmouthed leftist, maybe a Javier Baceta, who may have ambitions for the presidency, who in my mind is disqualified because he's a left-winger and a committed leftist,

I would say if I were a betting man,

it's going to be a Republican who is the first Latino

president of the United States. - If a general election in 2028 is between AOC and Vice President Vance, what odds of winning would you give Vice President Vance? - Well, it all depends on how unified the Republican party

is, for me, for me personally, and I don't, unlike Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and loudmouthed leftist Latinos, I do not gain to speak for the entirety of the Latino community.

I do say, I speak for the majority of Liberty Loving Latinos out there who have traditional values, and I would say, Vance would have the edge over A and S. - 70, 30, 60, 40, give me a number. - Well, again, it's so hard to predict.

- Yeah, you gotta, you gotta, I know, Yogi Baceta, predictions are difficult, especially about the future, but that's a business we're in here.

“What percent chance today with all the variables in play?”

70% chance, 60, 50, 50. - If it was today, I would say, Vice President Vance has a 70, 30. It's 70, 30 chance of beating out a presidential candidate who is either elected by Democrats or,

as we've seen the Democrats do in several high-profile races, they just install somebody the Democrat party wants, and they don't even wait for votes from their own people anymore. So, yes, I would say Vance over Alexandria Ocasio Cortez any day of the week.

- Okay, I could talk to you about it, but I want to make sure we sell the book here. Rise of Liberty Loving, Latino, who should buy it? What's the profile of the perfect reader for your book? - American.

- Yeah, if you're an American. - Yes, if you're an American and you pride yourself on being an American, this book is, is for you the rise of the Liberty Loving Latino and New American Revolution.

The Revolution part is this. Not since the formation of the Republican party has there been such a massive political shift in Mark, has been watching this, he can attest to this, the 2024 election that saw historic numbers

They didn't vote for Republicans. If it was Mitch McConnell or Paul Ryan at the top of ticket, those Latino voters would not have voted Republican.

It was the America First Coalition that got them in,

and it was historic numbers. So, I liken it to the Dark Days of World War II when the Allies were up against it. It wasn't until America entered the war. When the Allied nation started to see hope

and a swinging of that war just, to all the rest of you folks out there who are not Latinos, who believe in America First, who believe in American exceptionalism, you just got millions of Liberty Loving Latino's joining

that fight and this book details from the culture, for the politics, to my interview with President Trump just before the election. It's all couched in that mark from beginning to end.

“That's what you're gonna get when you read this book.”

It's an audio book form and in hard copy book form and Amazon. So, pick it up. - All right, ladies and gentlemen,

this is a content machine you're looking at.

Chris, I'll say to sharing some of his content here, but you can buy the book and you can listen to him. The rise of Liberty Loving Latino, a new American Revolution, available to you now. And while you're reading it,

you can also listen to Chris on this I'll say to Stormpied Gas. Heirs every day on all your favorite streaming platforms. Take a listen, take a look, take a read, and enjoy the intellectual stylings of Chris.

I'll say to Chris, great to see you. Thank you for being here. - Brother, I appreciate it. Thanks for the invite. - All right.

When we come back, I'm gonna take a look at Gotham City and the socialist mayor there who's making an assault on some of the city's wealthiest residents, including me, even though I'm not one of the wealthiest residents.

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All right, next up, we're going to talk about the mayor of New York City. Zoron Mondami is when he ran for mayor, made it clear. He was going to raise taxes on the wealthiest, including on homeowners in New York City.

And people voted for that. No doubt, if you look at any public opinion polling, you'll see, and not just in New York, people are for higher taxes on the wealthiest of all sorts. And so you can't say it doesn't have a mandate to do it,

and it can't say it's not popular. No one should be cheering for tax increases, but the money's got to come from somewhere. But the mayor's done something that's gone further than that. You were called not that long ago.

He called out in a video, Ken Griffin, the very wealthy man who used to live in Illinois, now lives in Florida, has an apartment in New York City. And said, "Hey, guys, it's going to pay higher taxes." He basically dots them.

Well, now the mayor's decided to take doxing from retail to wholesale, city of New York posting on its website, the addresses of a whole bunch of people, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people, who they say could be hit by New York State's new P.H.

Atari tax, which is supposed to only apply to people who use a own New York apartment

of over a million bucks or more,

but that they don't use as their primary residence. Now, there's a little bit of a cognitive dissonance on this, which is, if the whole point is to charge these people for using city services, most of them don't spend very much time in New York.

So that's the people who actually own apartments in New York, but don't use them as their primary residence. The problem in what has a lot of people at Rage is they're sending letters to people and publishing the names and addresses of people

who don't use their apartments as P.H.

They're their primary residence.

“In some cases, they live there 365 days a year.”

This is cause people to once again ask the mayor, why are you targeting rich people? Why are you doxing rich people? Why are you going out of your way to inflame and anger the richest people in your community?

The people who contribute so much of the tax base of the city. And of course, if you follow Mayor Mondami, oh, you know, this is a feature, ladies and gentlemen, it is not a bug. This is the kind of classware for a fair. This is the kind of singling out

and shaming of the wealthy as people, the most biggest contributors to the tax base in New York, that the mayor has made his hallmark. And I'm not sure how much his constituency likes it is strongest supporters.

But I do know this, the rich people don't like it at all. The rich people of New York City, this is the latest thing that I look at and they say, this guy is hostile to success. He's hostile to wealth.

And I'll say again, he ran on this and the rich people sat back and let the guy win. To me, the significance of this is not Mondami doing something surprising, not Mondami doing something he didn't run on.

It's whether the richest people in the city will look at their calendars and say, is this guy going to win again? The New York City mayor is generally don't get beaten after one term.

Mayor Mondami's already made it clear. He wants to run for another term. What I am watching is are the rich people in New York and an organized. And to do that, they have to follow the oldest rule in politics.

You can't beat something with nothing. You can't beat someone with no one. And you either have to beat Mondami

“if you want to stop him from another term.”

And he just got an office, but it's going to take a lot to beat it in combat mayor. You either have to beat him in a debit card primary or you have to find an independent or Republican who can beat him. None of that is easy, none of that is easy.

So what I'm looking to see is are the rich people going to write their editorials in their op-ed pieces in the Wall Street Journal and elsewhere? Are they going to complain to each other in the Hamptons? Are they going to be furious when they have to hire a lawyer

to fill out the paperwork to say no? That's my full-time apartment. Are they going to go beyond that? And are they going to say, we got to find somebody. Not the abstract notion, not attacking Mondami.

If we're going to beat someone with someone, we got to find someone. Are they going to look at amongst themselves, amongst politicians whatever it is? Are they going to find a candidate?

And they got to start soon, because that person, whether they're going to try to beat him in a primary or in a general election, they're going to have their work cut out for him. So enjoy your list, Mayor Mondami, enjoy your demonization

of the people who pay the bulk of the taxes in your city. And be ready to see if the business community can figure out a way to turn their anger and frustration and annoyance into something that they actually want, which is a mayor of New York City who's not a socialist,

and who doesn't try to tax everything they own, and everything they do. All right, there you have it. Next up, after a quick break, the vaquadua, an extraordinary man with an extraordinary life story,

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We haven't even started the interview. Why is he vexing me two reasons? One is, I like to ask our guests,

questions they've never been asked before,

Never ask them anything they've been asked before.

“I spent the last two days watching previous interviews”

and he's been asked nearly everything. So it's got to be a challenge to for me to come up with stuff new. And the other thing is, I like to say our guests is an author, our guest is a futurist,

our guest is an expert on healthcare, or guest is an academic, or guest has lived an extraordinary life, one or two would be sufficient. No ladies and gentlemen, our guest today is all those things and more.

So I could use up the entire segment just telling you about his titles. And his accomplishments, I'll do as little of that as I feel I can, because I want to get to the conversation. Ladies and gentlemen, next up and joining us now,

the Vekwadwad, he's an author of three books I believe at Distinguished Fellow in Carnegie Mellon. Five books, thank you.

Professor at Carnegie Mellon, Harvard Law School,

and he's done extraordinary well in business. And he knows a lot about a lot. I know a little about a lot, but he knows a lot about a lot. So he's already, it's got another reason this will be a challenge. Sir, welcome, thank you for being here.

- It's good to be on with you. - All right, let's start simple. You're sitting on an airplane and you're sitting on an airplane and you're seat me. And they say, what do you do for a living?

What do you say? - Well, right now I'm the CEO of a biotech company. I'm trying to save the world, but to be able to diagnose disease at the earliest stages and help a billions of people.

“Really, that's what I'm doing day and night now.”

- Okay, so you're a CEO of a startup, I am too. I'm not a CEO, I'm a senior founder and senior executive. So I know what it's like. You're doing a startup, it's hard to think of anything else because if you don't do it, it probably won't be done.

And you feel like if you don't do it, the company could fail. And in your case, you're doing a bold thing. You're trying to save the lives of millions of people, maybe more than millions around the world. So I get, I get your focus there.

What would you say your occupation is? Not CEO, but what's your trade? What are, you're not an engineer? Or your professor? What would you say your trade is?

- I started off as a computer programmer, then became an entrepreneur, and then became an academic, and then had a heart attack. And so I'm trying to became an academic

between entrepreneur and academic. And then I lost my wife to cancer. And now I'm an entrepreneur again, building a biotech company, something I know, I knew nothing about a few years ago. - Yeah, I guess as I studied you for the last couple days,

to really understand the complexity of your mind and of what you've accomplished and the life you've lived. It seems to me, you tell me if this is a good characterization. You think about a lot about whether it's business or intellect, the intersection between humanity, humans,

and technology, how's that, is that? - That's a good description. The other thing is that I'm going wherever life takes me.

I could never have imagined a few years ago,

I'd be doing what I'm doing today. Life is taking me by surprise also. And I'm complete, and right now I have a mission. And I'm trying to fulfill that mission. - By the way, nearly 70 years old now, right?

So I've done a lot in my life and I'm working harder than I ever have. - Yeah. - You've had two extraordinary and tragic at least to that I know of connections to the healthcare industry.

Your wife's passing from cancer and your feelings about how that might have been better treated and your own heart attack. Do you, what's your big thought? Just talk about the United States.

We'll talk about your company next. What's your big thought about improving healthcare in the United States? What are the building blocks of realistic improvement

“in this country for people's preventative care and care?”

- You know, I'm gonna be very honest with you. I think we have a corrupt system which is gonna be very hard to change. And this is why literally I had to move my company out of Silicon Valley and take you to India

of all the places where now I have a who's who helping me. And there I'm able to do things I could not even dream about during the United States. And testing for cancers, diseases in our developing technologies that can test water systems and so on.

Here, there's so many inhibitions to innovation and the entire medical system is built to protect the entrance to interests. The entrance interests are everything from the doctors to the hospitals to the farmer companies,

you name it. - Don't leave out the health insurance. - And health insurance, absolutely. The entire system is geared towards keeping us sick, dependent on these companies, these businesses

and we don't get good health here. I mean, we're suffering. I mean, everyone has a friend or relative who has cancer or some other debilitating disease. They're suffering themselves.

We wait weeks to get appointments with doctors and then also, you know, people go bankrupt with all the medical bills that they receive.

which this should be the model for the world. Yet we are stuck in the past. - Okay.

“Explain what your company is trying to accomplish”

in a simple terms as you can. Explain it to me like I'm a Dutch teenager and I barely speak English. - See, right now my goal is that you go to a doctor, you go to the supermarket, you go anywhere,

you take a sample of your urine, or you take a sample of your blood and immediately the device, the technology tells you, every disease you might have, it tells you all the medical tests you get,

everything from the blood tests, everything from arsenic to zinc being detected in it. And then most importantly, capturing cancers at the earlier stage, that's the technology I'm trying to build.

It sounds crazy, especially in the United States when you've had companies like Theronos,

you know, 10 billion dollars valuation,

you know, 1.4 billion dollar invested in it, complete fraud, but this is what I'm trying to build and I'm going to succeed. - So you're laboring under and I know whenever you talk about this, you're very cleverly trying to defuse this problem.

You're laboring under the fact that you're basically trying to really do what Theronos claim they were going to do. We just say, allow for the cheap and meaning inexpensive, analysis of blood in her case, your case, blood or urine, to do a complete understanding of that person's potential

and actual health problems, right? That's the goal. - Exactly. - And what is it that you can't do in the United States

“that you've decided you have to do an India to develop this?”

- Well, first of all, trying to do the type of innovation that I'm doing here. We don't have the scientists, we don't have the mathematicians. We don't study plasma physics, electrical engineering.

And if those people do exist, they're hired by big companies doing secretive work in government labs or something. - Yeah. - And paying more than a startup can pay. - Yeah, exactly.

The talent isn't here. Secondly, getting access to the data, getting access to medical samples. Imagine, to detect a cancer, we need hundreds of samples. Imagine trying to get hundreds of samples of cancer patients

in the United States, very, very, very difficult. You talk about clinical trials that take years, that cost tens of millions of dollars. That's the type of hurdle you face in the United States. - Right.

One more in your company, if you bring this to market,

first of all, what's as soon as you could bring this to market,

which is-- - But we're doing as a beginning pilot testing in India over the next three months to test water systems.

“Because when I say you can detect everything”

in urine and blood, well imagine now testing the water systems. Being able to tell you, taking river water or tap water and telling you the arsenic level, level, microplastics. Being able to tell you the level of microplastics,

whatever microplastics you have there. So we're beginning pilot projects with water systems in India, the next three or four months. Next step will be microplastics. Where we're going to be testing water systems for microplastics

and so on. My goal is to bring this to the United States early next year. - Now for medical-- - So we're beginning-- - Oh, your customers, be.

- Customers are, you know, research labs to start with, because we're making end governments. We're still working with two different state governments in India to test the water supplies in their rivers and to tell them exactly what's in it.

Because, you know, for example in Delhi, there's an article that showed up this morning which showed that found that they found uranium in the water supply in New Delhi. My god, who tests for uranium even?

I mean, so now they got a problem. They have to figure out how to fix it. - Yeah. - But so we're working with the governments to do some water testing and the agreement is

they will give them all the information. So if they find problems, they can fix them before it creates a public panic. - Yeah. - So if they do the same over here,

remember, Flint, Michigan? - Yeah. - All across the country, we have all sorts of problems. We have no idea the level of microplastics we have in the tap water we drink, or the milk we consume,

or anything like that. You know, I might be talking about India, but it's equally bad here in the United States. - Yeah. - So my goal is to bring the technology here next year.

- Just tell everybody the name of your company if they want to learn more. - Bionix, VIO, NX, Bionix biosciences. - Okay, where were you born, where'd you grow up? - I was born in New Delhi.

I grew up all over the world. My father was a diplomat. So every three years, there was a different country. Now, it happened that he was posted here in 1980. And I was in Australia.

I had to become an Australian permanent residence. I was about to get Australian citizenship. The moment he came here, I packed my bags and came to America. And once you come to America, there's no going back

because this is the most amazing, wonderful place in the world.

Where people like me can come and talk about saving humanity. - So what's citizenship do you have now? - I'm an American citizen. I've been an American citizen for the last past 30 or 40 years. - Okay, by getting a citizenship,

I had a test. - Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I went to the whole process. I came here in our diplomatic vision, and then I started working for zerox.

I got a green card 80 months later. And five years later, as soon as I was a legible for citizenship,

I became a citizen and I've never looked back.

The US government awarded me a very distinguished award as US American citizen by choice.

“That's what the highest award they gave immigrants.”

- Yeah, I just wanted that. - I just locked into it. One of the many topics you think a lot about and talk a lot about is immigration and H1B visas, which would become a hugely controversial topic in this time.

Explain what H1B visas are and why you think there should be more people brought to the United States under them. - Say, when you come to the United States on and you're a skilled immigrant, you know, forget, you know, we have the undocumented,

on-skill immigrants, low-skill immigrants, completely different discussion. If you come to America to study, you study at the finest colleges, and you wanna get a job, you ask, you get an H1B visa.

If you're an American company startup or a large company and you wanna bring in talent, you get an H1B visa. So H1B visa is a gateway for people to come to the United States who have high skills in higher education

and wanna work over here. - Yeah, so people who have your perspective, say things like, we should be stapling them with the back of PhD degrees, and why should we be training the most talented people in the world

to let them only go, force them to go back home? Why should we not attract people who don't get educated here, but who have great expertise? They wanna come as many people as you did,

“wanna live in the United States, why should we do that?”

That's your point of view. Now tell me why some people oppose it. - Yeah, see what happens is every government program, there's also corruption, there's also abuse.

And every technology can be used for good and evil. Every government program is good and evil at the same time. So what happens is that first of all, you have people faking their resumes, so you have these body shops, you bring people in,

and it's cheap labor, it's a fact it happens. - So they say somebody's got an engineering degree and they don't, and they don't, and instead they're picking grapes. - Exactly.

- How common is that? - That's probably about 20, 25% of the people who come in an H1B visa, it's following that category. - All right, and that's a very high percentage. - Yeah.

- I'd like somebody who supports the program to acknowledge this and 25% are fraught. What's the solution for that? - Well, the solution over here is to look at the applications very carefully, that first of all,

you only give it to companies that are trustworthy and reliable, not to body shops. This is where the problem happens. Because these body shops who bring them in who make up resumes, who make up qualifications,

the government doesn't gonna validate every degree in every country. - Are the people who do that Americans or this like a Chinese or? - I mean, it's all over the board, I mean,

it's not one country, it's many different countries. - All right, so better scrutiny of the employers, what else could be done to make the program less unplot? - What else could be done to give the, here's where the big problem is right now,

that you bring in people on H1B visas and like me, they fall in love with America. They want to now become Americans and contribute to this country.

They never want to go back or be anywhere else.

So you apply for a green card. When I apply for a green card, as I said, it took 18 months. Today, if I was to do the same thing, it would take 70 years to get a green card.

So then what happens? - Well, did you say 70 or 17? - 70, 70 years. - Yeah. - If you're Indian and you apply for a green card,

that's the way time to get a green card on these, you know, because of the limits in the green card system that we have a couple of 100,000 visas available every year, but there's a 7% per country limit on it, which means that Indians, even though they now

probably are about half of the applicants, are in that 7% category, which means that they stuck in the same job forever. So even if you're a Microsoft or a Google who's got an H1B applicant,

if they're Indian, they're gonna be in the same job for decades. - Right. - If you know the tech world, the average life, you know, but the average time in a job is about three to four years

before you get promoted, and you get tired of doing the same thing and you wanna move up or do something different. Once you get into this H1B queue, if you change jobs,

“you have to go back to the end of the queue.”

- Right. - So that may get stuck there. Many people in you only now come in on H1B visas. - There, I mean, all the different categories probably 100 to 200,000 people come in.

- And if you had your way, what would the number be? - I mean, frankly, right now, I would not increase the number of H1B visas, I would increase the number of green cards.

They're more than a million and a half people

stuck in limbo, who are waiting for green cards. So they're neither here, they're neither there. They can't buy houses.

because they don't know. If they could lose their jobs tomorrow,

“and they have 60 days to get the hell out of the United States.”

So they're basically their trapped in immigration limbo. And here's a dark side of it. That the reason why the employers love it and they don't talk about it is because they benefit from this.

They're able to pay them the same wages. You know, probably let's say they're relatively below market wages, but more importantly, they have stability. These people are not going to leave their jobs for decades.

Which means that they're not competitive. And this is why the anti-immigrants rally against H1B visas, because they say that they'd suppress wages and they'd put Americans at a disadvantage.

And I hate to admit this, but that does happen in about the taxes. - It does. Okay, you said America is the best place to live in the world. I don't want to hear roads to freedom and liberty. I want to hear like deep-dish pizza.

- What's so great about America? We can't get it at it. - Exactly. - Yeah, the fact that anyone in a person who looks at sounds like me can come here and be lecturing everyone

on what's good and what's bad, right? The fact that someone like me can come here

and build a billion dollar business.

The fact that I can join any company and I rise on my merits. It's not the color of my skin, my religion. None of these things matter. It's all about merit and about giving back

to the country. You've got to adhere to the rules, I mean, you can't come here now and start supporting Hamas and doing crazy things or trying to impose your religious and values for get it.

We don't want those people. - Yeah, unless you're running for the Democratic nomination. - Oh, yeah. - All right, explain two things to me before we go. Why are we the only industrialized democracy in the world

“that doesn't have the universal single payer healthcare?”

- I don't know, that's a problem. - Why are we the only country in the world that doesn't love football, real football? - Well, that's a different story. When I come from, they love cricket, so.

- That's true. Do you know that we could spend infinity of you trying to explain the rules of cricket to me and it would never take? - You know what I'm saying?

- I don't know what I understand.

- I've never played it myself.

- But you have a sense of the rules, don't you? - I know, I know. - Yeah, I don't know. And I've tried, but it just not possible to understand it. Very grateful to you.

What would you like people to do besides look at your company website? You want to talk one of your books or what do you want to... - I mean, if they want to know how to build, why we have to lend all the companies

they can read from incremental to exponential. My previous book, "Driven the Driverless Car" was written several years ago, but the most ever thing I wrote it is happening right now. So that's reading material.

And then the other thing I would say is work hard and be ambitious and realize that America gives you opportunities that know the country does. We can make big things happen here. We just have to think big.

- Beautiful, one other topic. Let's say the president called you and said, I want you to take David Sachs job as AI ZAR.

“What should federal policy be now regarding China and AI?”

The big American AI companies, what are the hallmarks of your policy be?

- Here's what the problem is.

The China is eating in America's lines. They've robbed us blind. They're trained on models on theirs and now they're bringing this very cheap and they may do to us what they've done

to several industries. They essentially underpriced and then they essentially make our American companies uncompetitive and then they hold us hostage. We protected the electric vehicle industry so far.

But the China is like term I'm eating away the foundation of a house. They're eating away the entire automotive industry and they could do this in the AI industry if we let them. - So what's the solution that's happening there?

- The solution over here is that we don't allow, I mean, we have to limit the use of Chinese models. We have to limit the China's ability to steal our technologies and we have to give our companies the ability

to compete better and give them the support that they need. - Is there any counter argument to that? I know that would you ban the use of Chinese models in the United States? - I wouldn't ban them because we need them also.

We need to steal back from them. So it's really open game that we get our entrepreneurs to, you know, for example, the reason I said this is because Google is talking about licensing

this new model, and if they do that, they're now going to be pouring billions of dollars into China. - Right. - So would you say, the government should tell Google

they can't do that? - Yeah, exactly. - Okay, if you were to make a hero of the year 2026, we're halfway through a little more than halfway, who would be the American AI hero of 2026 for you?

- Right now I couldn't name one. It's going to be some entrepreneur who comes out of nowhere who builds the next generation of AI. Because today's AI is just LLM-based, and it's going to become obsolete in the next year.

the next generation, those are heroes.

“The ones who are now trying to make today's technology”

obsolete, so we can have the next generation

which is going to be much better and much more powerful

than allow America to keep its lead. - Are you on TikTok? - No, Chinese, I don't trust them, I don't want any Chinese, I don't want any Chinese, I don't want that phone. - Yeah, it's amazing that the Chinese

just sent an app over here and all our kids got on it, and now we can't get rid of it, even though they're trying to do it. - It should have been banned, I mean,

I'll get for that much earlier.

This is why I'm also worried about the Chinese models being used, but being supported by American companies should not be allowed. - Have you ever met President Trump? - I haven't met him, but everyone knows Trump pretty well.

So, good and able at the same time. - Good and easy. - Some things he's doing are good,

“but I think he's doing a lot of damage right now”

with his rhetoric and everything else. - All right, well that's a whole lot of their episode. I'm very grateful to you for being here, and I just so impressed by all the extraordinary things you've done.

Ladies and gentlemen, we barely scratched the surface. We've talked about a little bit, but as I said, he knows a lot about a lot, and can be more grateful to you for making time to thank you. - It was an honor to talk to you,

because you're still led by the on your own. (laughs) - Maybe not. - How many of the questions I asked you,

“did you never been asked before, rough for a sandwich?”

- Most of them were very different, because normally I do interviews on specific topics, the same old BS, you know, you're taking me everywhere. - Sorry, I'm glad. - All right, I'm glad.

I'm very grateful to you for being here, and look forward to having you back. - It is. - Best of luck with the company, break a leg. That's it for today's program.

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