1124: The Cognizant Collapse, a Lowry Deep-ish Dive, and Predicting Rolapp's Vision

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“Mr. Neil Schuster with me, hello Neil, how are you?”

>> Good to be with you, full collapse on the rules of golf the other day.

But we're going to start there, we're going to start there. I think we've got to start there, TC is here as well, hello TC. >> Absolutely, loving life after that finish, you see me. >> A great, great term. >> We got-- >> We got laps.

>> We got to get in front of something, Neil. >> We did a rules, infamous rules, scandals, controversies, podcast earlier this week. And my goodness, do we get some emails about us butchering the yellow versus red hazard line rules? And I just learned a few of anything to say about--

“>> I can't believe you let me talk about that.”

>> Time to add a miss. >> So ashamed. >> Now I will say this, 10 times out of 10, yellow hazard, I'm using the drop zone, yellow penalty area. >> Excuse me, I'm using the drop area, yes. >> So yeah, for sure, I'm always using the drop area, it feels like a safe haven.

I mean, that's just what we're doing, but you can go back on the line, you know, in line with the flags that you can do that, solid. >> We had that, I don't know how I let you talk me out of the rules situation, but I apologize. >> I don't know what more of a reason we're going to do a rules pod later this year, I'm going to make that happen. >> You just set it up, you just set up the reason for the rules, it's a nesting doll.

>> And I've always said I'm quick to call in for a second opinion, you know, I don't want to be like,

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“We're going to start on the cog. I can give you the play by play. If you want to hear that, I think we we kind of watched it.”

All right, the scene for us. Shane Lauer in Austin, Smotherman took a one shot lead into the final round over Nico etchabaria and Taylor Moore. Shane Lauer in complete control of this entire golf tournament, Bernie the fifth hole, Bernie the ninth have made an eagle on the 10th hole. Then made back to back birdies on 12 and 13, that got him a bit of a 19 under par. It really, really, really good shot into the difficult 15th club tour, it made par honestly kind of look like night night. His win probability was over 96% when he got to the 16th teeth three holes remaining hit three iron off the 16th teeth.

Horrifically, one of the worst shots I've ever seen from a professional in the lead, like just think. He hit a kind of a skinny top off the 60 earlier on. I watched that one live he hit like a kind of a healing one that it was not good.

I thought, I thought we were going to have a where to the cross scandal. I thought so too.

“But they showed that finally showed the overhead replay.”

It took a while to show it. I feel like they were trying to check it. Bones was on it. When Bones is there, he's going to tell you what was on it. But it felt like we were witnessing a cover up in real time. It hit a little bit, honestly.

But he has never done that one.

He's going to do the right thing here. Well, I saw what I saw just for the record clean drop when I said. Because we don't know for the authority of what I said as far as I know it's a clean drop from what I saw. And it's another few weeks. So we don't get any tracers. We don't get like they ever saving some money this way.

He did that. He dumped it in the water. He went to the drop zone called it rules official to see if he could drop in place. And then lift clean and place and TC's boy Orlando Pope. Let us know that that is above board.

He lived clean and place after a drop is one of the most in the drop reference. That's that. That's a lie. That's what I'm saying to rules. They compound man.

It's complicated. All right. Sorry. I got to mean cough. That's going to be hard to edit around tonight.

So my children. Yeah. A lot of that going around. So he makes double on sick.

“Maybe a great double on 16 if I may say.”

And then steps up to 17. And I mean his ball was closer to going out of bounds. And it was going in the water on 17. And we saw the the other Jimmy Stanger. Jimmy Stanger.

Like an hour is like, let's go to 17. I thought Jimmy Stanger stopped playing. Like professional golfing three years. He wasn't in the hot. So you know, it could be a tough scene.

And it cleared. Yeah, there's this guy over. It's over in some guys back yard. And you know, shot them. So Mr. Hoteling.

And then they were saying. Like, like, we don't know if that's OB. Or like, even if it isn't OB. He can't get there. It confirmed it was OB.

It was a triple. It was. But like these are the dudes that are there. Playing the best. They're playing Sunday afternoon golf on the PGA tour.

Hitting some of the worst shots you've ever seen. Meanwhile, Nico etchivaria. He was bogey free the entire weekend. All of a sudden he's got an opening as he stands in on 17. And he hits an awesome.

Maybe a little right of his target. Fade seven iron. That's top 10 feet five inches right of the whole. A big ball shot. But now he's putting a.

He later would say his caddy said, like, no. We're putting from the best possible spot on this.

Green and that thing never left the center of the hall.

He makes it. Lowery standing back on the tee and all of a sudden he's. I mean, that's when he just fan one right in the middle of the pond. It wasn't even close. Nico went up win by two.

Chainline rate of three shot lead on 16 and lost the tournament by two. Just an absolutely stunning sequence of events. So just to back up though. It's a various shot in the 17 like he that was a miss like he. Now smiley had a good line or some some good intel.

He was like Taylor more went back to his caddy after he teed off first. He had the honor and said, watch this. Nico's going to fade one in here and try to make birdie. And it's exactly what he did. But you could tell us reaction afterwards.

He was too much fade. Let's put it that way. But. But then he stepped right up and didn't waste any time thinking that part. No, right up.

Play the 18th conservative. It made par. Lowery needed to hold a bunker shot from the green sub park. Give it a great run. Miss the miss the birdie as well.

It's a fallback into a T 2 and cost himself some money as well. But third career victory for Nico. I should read it. But Lowery. Lowery's the story man.

I will say we we. Lowery did do media afterwards. We have big clip big props. Yeah. And a good interview, too.

This was well done. We have a 40-ish second clip. We'll play some of that here. I didn't forget it. Yeah, you have no choice to.

Like I have a tea time next Thursday and Bay Hill. I have no choice but to move on. I'm.

Hardest thing about today is I'm never born in front of my four year old.

And she was there waiting for me. And. Yeah, it's. That's I only wanted it for her today. I didn't want it for her.

I didn't. I don't care about anything else. Like I want to so about just to see her little ginger head. When the eating green would have been the most special thing in the world. Well.

It's hard. I thought I was going to win. I mean, I didn't get ahead of myself. But like I. But so comfortable out there.

And. Yeah, tried to try to get a lot. I owe my three R&N 16. Um.

“Yeah, and did the only thing I couldn't really do.”

That part last part was a well set of like dude. You didn't need to hit an amazing tea shot of 16. You if you just if you make a five on 16, all you got to do is hit on dry land on 17. You're still probably going to win this thing. But it's got to feel the source feeling of golf.

You have iron your hand on a tea or you're trying to lay up. Basically, and you just hit an awful. Just make it at best. You could hit a bad shot and it's still not going the water. All you do is not like hit the dumbest possible shot.

It's like he wasn't trying to. I was trying to get too much out of a three iron. Bad swing.

Like that's the most helpless feeling in the world to feel it sliding across the face.

You know, it's open.

“And then, and then once you got it back.”

So he drops it gets it back and play and then he, you know, holds one into the green there at 16. A bunker show for compensating. A bunker show for compensating. So so bummed he doesn't have to go play. Think about this.

Uh, that's a Maria. Now has as many P.J. tour wins a shame. Well, the play on different tours for the most part. But the tier system. For sure.

When you look at when you look at the data golf or stuff or P.J. A tour like. We're going to be. We'll get there because we're going to do it. I'm not going to call it a deep dive.

But I'd prepared a medium rare dive. Cool. Uh, well, I was thinking. I had to go back and change it right before we went on here because I was like, Oh, after this win.

He's going to win. Back up, back up. That's being the agenda every single Sunday night. But it, uh, Jared Lee asked us on Twitter. He said, this is the biggest bottle job of the last five years.

I'm having trouble thinking about any worse than this win from a win probability. Perspective. I am too. I'm sure it's not. I mean, this is still a little raw for us.

I'm sure it's not the worst one. But it feels like it in this current moment. It's almost what Rory did to the master. Except one last year. You know what I mean?

I mean, like, I mean, yeah, but. So, he said his butt off down the stretch and like nobody was coming because I would say, I would say, actually, really well. I mean, no bogies. Makes up 66.

Big ass birdy on 17. You know, just in the jaws of the bear trap.

Um, but the first time Shane Lauer has gone double double on tour.

That's insane. He's been at has tour. It was one under on his last eight holes. Like, I don't think that's like going and getting it, you know. Played nice.

He played really well. It played nice. I'm just.

“I think knowing because you could see with the telecast, he kind of knew it was happening on”

16 to then step up knowing it's like, Oh, man, I got a shot here and to do that on 17 is pretty impressive. Crazy. Because Shane Shane played us. Shane played the last nine and even par with double double.

That was the first time he's ever made two doubles in his PGA tour career. You in a row, I would say watching credit Neil Schuster must double double animal style. I would say etch of a rea looked really smooth and really confident. I watched a lot of golf Friday Saturday Sunday. I really liked the way like he swings it.

Obviously above average putter. Um, he said afterwards he told his wife and his financial guy they closed. Well, we learned. He closed on a house and we get a T.C. Uh, which I guess he's leaving Jacks bummed to hear that.

But he said he was going to win this week. So I mean, he is he's a dude. He's like a miss cut guy and then all of a sudden is in contention. Uh, that that's going to feed that feeds families very well in the PGA tour. But third wins is get him up to.

Oh, W.R. Our loss for out to guys been hacked, T.C. We can't get these. Oh, yeah, he's been he got absolutely hacked. I don't think he's got his account back.

Uh, so I don't have the live projections. I think they already updated it. Uh, no, they didn't. Okay. He's in the masters.

We know that as a lot of math. He was he was 58th. He was 59th coming in the week. Okay. So we get him up in the top.

Sorry, at least top five. Yeah. At least top 40. It was, you know, Shane, not like my favorite golfer.

It feels like he's always been like man.

That guy looks like he's a ton of fun to have a, you know, pint with. But then he's kind of, he's all smiles on 15 T when the cameras are out. And then he's shooting the camera off on 16 when things are going poorly. Like you said, big time shout out to him for doing media. And I thought that was a really, really good interview that he did.

Um, so I think he stepped up there.

“But, you know, do you want me to go, you want me to do the media?”

Yeah. In a second, I, I think I'm still team Shane. I feel like the tie has turned on him. I find myself rooting for him. I find him likable.

He does a few things. You just, but I don't know, Shane very well, but I feel like he could be like, ah, you're acting like a little bitch. And he'd be like, yeah, you're right. I'll be better tomorrow.

I think I feel like he would take it. I feel like there's a real person. He's actually gotten better tomorrow. Yeah. Instead of like, I think a year ago he would have been.

He would have said, please. Yeah. You know, so I, I felt, I was, I hate to say the word excited. But when he hit in the water on 16, I was like, Hell yeah, we got a tournament.

Because just a lot of times this tournament was the Honda. It usually gives you a good finish. Now they softened the course. We've heard a lot about the overseas. The overseas though.

The wind's not blowing. Whatever. But when I was like shit, we're going to have a good finish here. And then it was almost so bad that it wasn't a good finish. Yeah.

It almost like, oh, dude, stop. Now I'm not having fun. Like I wanted there to be a playoff. You know what I mean? So I felt bad for him coming up 18 when he's trying to pull a bunker shot.

I just love all the time. Like having some volatility down the stretch and big misses. We rarely ever get that because the ball doesn't spin anymore. Yeah. Yeah.

I have, I have a problem. I guess I'm not in a hurry to give whatever this course is called now. PJ National Champion, whatever the course is. It's the old. It's where PG, it's the previous Frisco for the PGA in the Palm beaches.

In the Palm beaches. Whatever this, I've trouble crediting it for any, really much of any of that 17 and 15 or demanding 16 is just nobody else in the water.

“Like that was, I think that was made to like you got to make a decision there.”

You know, and when you see those guys like launch a three wood that has to fade, you know, try to hit that neck of the fairway into the green. That's a one finish. I will say the course had coming off. Pebble and riv that was rain so like watch the ball hit the green and bounce.

The first couple of days this tournament was like, Oh, okay.

This is kind of nice. It's still not far from my favorite golf course. But at least the ball was releasing on the greens for the most part. I didn't, I guess the oversee didn't. Didn't bother me as much this year as it did last year.

It didn't seem to play as big of a factor as it did last year. Yeah, it was a turkey shoot last year. But Jake Napshot, didn't you shoot 59? Yeah. Yeah, I think you did.

Yeah. I mean, Jake will have 59. Yeah, definitely more shot value. I think like you had to put your ball. You had to golf your ball a little bit more this year.

Even then, like this place shouldn't be yielding 65s and 66s on the weekends. Yeah, I don't know if it's going to yield anything in the future. Well, yeah. I mean, is this the last time this event happens? What's the card?

Is it contract?

“I feel like I should know that answered.”

But we'll talk about some of this a little later. When we get to the Amon Lynch column that was written this week, I did go back and look. I was like, Oh, what happened to this tournament? Like, where do we go wrong?

We go back and think like 2012 to 2014 time period. This event was thriving. He's also so bad before that, too. Like when they were at the country club at Mirosal, and it was, it was about to go belly up,

and then they kind of brought it back from the brain. And it got really good, like you said. It, 2012, Roy won. Tiger was in second.

I'll give you $1,000 if you could tell me who also was in second place.

You're reading my screen. I've been reading my screen. Tom Gillis in Tiger, we're running up to Roy's relationship. But this was like a star-studded event. Like, what, okay, so why were Tiger and Roy there?

I went back and look at their schedules. Roy had played the match play two weeks prior. Skip my coba, obviously. And then played Honda and played Derral the next week. And then was off until the masters.

He skipped the transitions, which is now the Valspar. Bay Hill and Shell Houston. Got that's it. Trevor Imman too. Tiger played pebble.

Took a week off. Played match play. Took a week off. He'd hunted Derral, week off Bay Hill, week off masters. So like, I mean, it's obvious what's happened here.

They surrounded this event with the players.

And Bay Hill and two-sane champions prior.

Like, and the seminal member pro. So tomorrow. Yeah. Which Shane's playing with Ed Hurley to model it. Like, eat 15.

It leases the play. It teachy out today. So like, it was a completely, when I had a completely different flow to the calendar, got this made sense for a lot of guys to play.

And it's, I don't see them prioritizing it on to go in a way. But it's also, if I look at these old schedules from, from this time period, I'm not like, "Oh, that was way better." Like, I like what currently is happening way better with the signature events that, you know, the back-to-back of RIV and pebble.

Waste management's taken a huge leap in recent years. Got Bay Hill players back to back. Like, I'd rather do that and have cognizant be this sacrificial lamb than try to reinvent this tournament. That's not a great golf course.

I do think there should be a great tournament this weekend. Like, pre-march madness football season obviously over. It seems like a pretty darn prime week that the tour shouldn't punt on. So whatever they end up figuring out, I would think this weekend still needs to be a feature one.

I would say that Jack Nicholas, he kind of squads on two tournaments. Obviously memorials. You have two tournaments last year. You have one. But, you know, he likes to get in the booth.

He's in the booth on Saturdays. I think he, I don't know, like lived in Barbersburg. Down there. Since 1967. The big charity is his hospital down there for the hospital.

Yeah. And which I'm, like, team charity. And charity? No. I'm team, like, these tournaments do and stuff for the local community.

I'm all about it. But until, like, as long as Jack's run, I feel like he's probably had to say in the background a little bit. Now, I don't think Rolab's going to care as much. You know what I mean?

So I agree with you though on the week on the calendar of, like, this should be a prime signature event type week.

“But you have to have an exhale coming off the west coast swing.”

It's like this build to live. Rive was a bit of a let down because it was soft. And it didn't just didn't play like we wanted to. And then it ramps back up with Bay Hill,

And then it's all basically just a sprint to the masters from there.

With guys just kind of. And then you come back now with the rail. Well, ladies, really may. Yeah. So that was that was.

It's got to have a lot to do. I don't blame them for snow. Now I, if you lock it on this tournament. That was like Shane Laury versus the Meals. And for me, the reason I got this morning,

I just started diving in to Shane Laury's career. Because like this is a big spot for him. And specifically because his, his finish is here. He's, he's like the horse for the course. T2, T11, T4, T5, second, T21.

T49. Going backwards. Going backwards. Going backwards. Yeah.

“So it's basically like man, when is he going to win this event?”

It's just hometown event. You know, he's kind of adopted hometown obviously. But he's, he's, they kept saying not on the broadcasts. Whole families there. And I feel like every year I turn this tournament on.

Shane Laury's in contention. And he just can't get it done. And it's just kind of like it's interesting because the field gets worse and worse. And he still can't get it done. That's tough.

It's very, very tough. I know I want to get to your to your medium dive here. Medium dive. Okay. I want to give a shout out to our friends.

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“And it's not intended to be financial advice.”

So I'll never give financial advice other than you know what.

But yes, please. You want to take us to take us to where you want to go. Medium-rare. Medium-rare. Lowry.

A little bit of pink left in this. I didn't want to go super deep. All right. Guys, how old is Shane Lowry? You can't look at my screen.

36. He's 38 years old. He's going to say he's old and we're ready. So he's a couple years old and he made me feel better. Because I feel like I've always been like many might be 40.

You know, Shane looks like you weathered. I would say. Turn pro in 2009. Got his PGA tour card in 2015. Before this win.

What were his career earnings? On the PGA tour. Just like, well, this is off the PGA tour website. On the PGA tour. So PGA tour.

Uh, 36 million dollars. I'd say 28 million. $31 million. Okay.

So he's 50 second on the career money list right behind.

I love this. I love this. I love this. And that's crazy. Uh, and just ahead of Hunter Mayhand.

Oh, man. Kind of bought out. You know, before the money got good. I think that's impressive. Without a really long career.

The money had gotten good. They're not great. Not this way. You know what I mean? And I feel like Shane has, has progressively got better.

“And that's what I would give him ton of credit for his.”

That's seasons have been. You know, he seems like he's just kind of slowly improved as we'll see. How many times did Mayhand win? Uh, you tell me. I don't know.

We'll do that in the Mayhand. Six. Okay. Okay. Uh, before today is winning in three PGA tour wins.

Do you guys remember those? Firestone. Firestone. That's 2015 is first year with this card. He won by 11.

Oh, sorry. 11. Excuse me. Two stroke win. Over who?

What year? 2015. Yes. Overton. No.

And the great man Justin Rose and third was four back. I thought, I mean, I don't think where is another. Just God. In one of the Open Championship. He won Zurich.

Those are his three wins. Those are his three wins. So he's 2019. So 2019. So 2019.

And he won the open. Six shot win. Who was in second? I'm a great man, Tom. And who was in third?

Not JB Holmes. He's all against him. I don't know if I'm around. Captain was playing with JB Holmes. Was it Brooks?

I was big tone. Oh. Okay. Big tone. Really?

It's third in the open. 2019 open. And then 2024 Zurich team event was Roy. Obviously one of the playoff. Four international wins.

2022 BMW PGA Championship. The 2019 Abu Dhabi HSBC Championship. 2012 Portugal Masters and the 2009 Irish Open National Open winner. TCF I respect. The Portugal Masters is pretty much a national open.

I feel like he's been able to stay relevant over the last since pretty much since the open. If we're being honest because he kind of chunky Irish like he just, you know, he's kind of a brand name.

I was very lovely. I was very lovely. Whether it looks like he's fun to have a pit with. I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just being honest because three PGA tour wins.

Like I just said, actually Maria has as many wins as this guy. Like that's crazy to me. Really. You know, they integrate as more real wins, rider cup. You open my account for more than three appearances in the rider cup.

What's his rider cup record? He is a six four and one. No, he's three three and three. He's got some big ass moments. He's got some big ass moments.

Most any carried. He carried the corpse of Roy around it at Wisley Straits. Any carried.

Any he was basically his bodyguard at.

Beth Page black. Yeah, right. Just just from a emotional support. That he did make the interest in common afterwards. He said he said to his caddy after he fan in the water.

Like, how could I handle Beth Page the way I did? And I'm freaking out like this. Like he clearly, the moment got to him today.

“But how did the moment not get to him at Beth Page?”

He's been he's been too cognizant at the moment. Yeah. Well, they were a Barbara. Teller was getting a ton of burn on today's telecast. You know, so.

Anyway, he's he's had a knack for staying relevant without winning. That was, this is my point there. So he's had five second place finishes for third place finishes. 15 top five, 34 top 10s. And he's made 157 of 207 cuts over his career.

That is 75.8% cut rate over his career. So just then I got interested about cut rates. John Rom is leading at 89.2%. Yeah. This is all PGA to our stuff.

This was from data golf. Okay. Roy is at 88.4%. Just past tiger. It feels mixing a sample.

They're also playing a lot more no cut events. It's for sure. For sure. Scotty and Zander are tied to 87.7%. And then some other just names.

Colomore, Calwa 83.8%. Big tone 78.8. Brooks is at 76.5. Ricky at 77.8. So I was thinking like, oh, man, maybe this guy's making a ton of cuts.

I mean, not, not nothing above average. Okay. So here is the, the, I'll play a little game with you guys. So his data golf points like career points list. That career points.

It's awesome spot.

“If you're interested, you should go check out data golf's career points list.”

He's 110 on the career points list. He has 361.4 career points. So those are the don't know what that is. You don't need to know just like when you do shit, you get points. Yeah.

When you win, you get it. And it'll make sense here. So who I'm, I'm going to play a game with you.

Who, basically, is this person ranked higher on the data golf career points list right now?

And then that's two part question. Or is this person ranked higher lower? And who has the better career when they finish? Okay. Got that.

Shainer big tone. So who has more points. So first. Like question one is who has more points right now? Shainer big tone.

Got it. No peeking. I'm not peeking. I'll say a big tone. I think Shane the major's got to carry a lot of points.

Big tone is 109. With 380 points. What's Shane? Shain's 115 with 361 points. Which is interesting to me too.

I'm like damn, I'm not giving big tone enough credit. Thank you. Thank you. God, this is the greatest segment you've ever done. I didn't hate that.

I hate it. I'm going to have to audit the hell. I hate it. What else can we get to cover Shane? Shainer.

Shainer. Shainer. Shainer. Shainer. Russ Henley.

I'll say, I'll say, Russ is above him. I'll say Russ is above him. Russ is below him at 139 with 316 points. That's why the big tone thing did. I guess Russ doesn't have the D.P. World Tour stuff.

That's where he's got that at the tank. Shainer, Brian Harmon. Shainer. Brian Harmon. Shainer.

I knew it. L.B.H. is 141 with 314 points right behind Russ. I keep thinking these majors are going to count for more than in a system like this. They won't, they're not like worth 100 points. Shainer.

Shainer. Shainer. Shainer. Shainer. Can't lay.

I mean, can't lay is one what like 70 times. I'll say can't lay. Although he knows any, any major finishes though. Yeah. Can't lay is ranked 95th with 403 career points.

8 PGA tour wins and one other tour has the FedEx Cup wins. All right. So sorry.

I forgot the second part of the question.

So what we can go back and do it real quick.

“Who finishes with like who's career you're going to want at the end?”

Shain or big tones. Shainer. He's got a major. Okay. So you don't think big tones coming out.

Okay. Good. That's on the record. Take Shainer. Okay.

What about Russ? You don't think big tones going to win a major? Wow. I don't think he was big tones. What a major.

Hey, I don't think it's ever been my platform. It's got too many kids to check the tape. You know. Russ. Shainer.

Russ. Okay.

Oh, we're talking about career.

Yeah. You would rather be walking through the airport. Nobody recognizes you. Probably Russ. I think Russ is career for that reason.

Tell me if I'm playing the game wrong. I'm not answering who's going to have more points. I'm just answering who's career.

“Who do I think is going to have a better career in my opinion?”

So I'm sorry. I'm making it open. It's like who right now according to the data golf points list has a better career. And who would you take the Adam Scott versus Justin Rose like who's going to have the better career when it's all said and done because I think for me it's like if you don't have

a major, I'm going to take Shane's career. Like almost a real major. Yeah. So it's so then not like a Shane Brian Harman question is a good one. I say Shane.

Shane. You rather have Shane. You think Shane's going to have the better career. So you said Harman is ahead of him right now. Harman is behind him at 141.

Shane's at 115. I think Shane's got some somewhere juice in the tank. They're like the same age to you, right? Yeah.

They're like kind of, yeah.

Good cops, I think. All right. What about can't lay versus Shane? Who's going to have the better career? Shane.

Shane. You think I mean can't lay his bodies at ticking time? Because can't lay his head of him like well ahead of him right now. Again, but that's where I'm like the major. Okay.

We would have to win two majors to get to it. All right. Shane or Colin. Who's so part one?

“Who's who's ahead in the data golf points list right now?”

Who's had the better career so far? Shane. Shane. Colin's way behind an age. So Colin's at 119.

So he's four spots behind it. Three hundred. Oh, no. How much work does DP world tour? Like are they measuring this on strength of field?

Yeah, there's some, there's some. Yeah. So Colin has two majors. One DP world tour of win and five PGA tour wins. Yeah.

I mean, Colin was more. It's going to win eight major stages. Yeah. I'll take you on. You have to.

This is for. Well, I'm under your personal name. I'm not. I've got, I've got, you know, all sorts of, you know, CDOs. All right, a couple, a couple more.

Well, I got, I got four more. That's cool with you guys. Shane or Ricky Fowler.

So first off, who's had the better career.

Ricky little players, which is probably getting a shit little points. How many times is this Ricky one? Six. I can tell you. Scott is like before it was co-sanctioned.

So Ricky's had two other tour wins. Two DP world wins. Five PGA tour wins. Obviously no majors. I'll say Shane, just because he's got.

Yeah. The major man.

“I think I think Ricky's got more points.”

But I think Shane is. Ricky has significantly more points. Yeah. He's 51st in the data. 51st.

That's shocked me as well. On the data goal. How far back is this list going? It's your whole career. No, but like in in his story.

Yeah, good question. Because I have also have a whole another 93. Yeah. Oh, okay. So we're not.

Yeah. That makes me feel better. Jack Nicholas isn't accounted for, but like there's no golf records. Predonites may be three. Like Ray Floyd and Halor when they're all in there.

Okay. So Eric like Greg is in there. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So Ricky, 51st with 54 points.

It's really good. People shouldn't. And again. It's 61 points for Shane. So like that says, you know,

the signal is going to hurt now moving forward and Ricky's 37. Yeah. You think of pretty Ricky is a little younger than that. He's not two years younger than. Or I guess one year younger than Shane.

Uh, who do you think finishes with the better career? It's like Ricky because he's got. Some like so I think Ricky's going to like I think he's going to play. He's going to play deep into his career. I don't think he's going to win a major though.

Yeah, but the question was who's going to. Who's going to finish with more data golf points? Well, it's more. The game is there. No, I didn't clarify that.

But you just asked it differently. That's on. All right. So Shane's not going to finish more data golf points. It's kind of like at the end of the day who you're going to look back and say had the better career.

Because it because there is an eye test involved in better career. I know that's tough. Like I would say Ricky's the better player. But like Shane's resume is going to be stronger. And Ricky's Ricky's wrecking up points on top five.

Yeah, right. They consistently beat Shane at golf on the golf course. All right. This is one of my favorites. Shane, Larry or Lucas Glover.

Shane. You think Shane's higher. Yeah. And the on the data golf list. I do.

He's see. They've got to be really close. Those are like too pretty comparable career. It looks more major. I've got to write.

Right. What do you got, T.C. I bet they're like within three or four of each other. Lucas Glover's 108 on the list. Shane Larry is 115.

Dang it. Lucas Glover has one other tour win. Five PGA tour wins in one major. He's 46. They've got eight years.

So Shane's going to change. Shane's against it there. Okay.

I mean, Shane's ahead of him right now.

I think those are like the choices. Shane's ahead of him on Roach play and the way that they play the game. Shane's ahead of him on data golf points. I would say so, right? What do you got?

I would say so, but you're very provocative in the way you ask. I want to be leading. Just asking the question. I would say Shane is ahead for sure. Billy Ho is one spot ahead of him.

Wow. Billy Ho is one 14 on the list. With 365 points. But they obviously told today, you know, maybe today bumps him up. I don't know how the points will react to this.

Billy Ho's 39. He has eight PGA tour wins.

“Just honestly, when I thought Billy Ho's got eight.”

He's got eight PGA tour wins. Whoa, D.P world tour wins. Anna FedEx Cup. He's got a fucking solid win. Fucking hand for a couple of 24.

But he doesn't have a Ryder Cup appearance. Which I think is a huge reason. Shane's brand name. Yeah. Right.

Like none of this takes.

You don't get any Ryder Cup points for data.

I don't think so. I'm a career list. Right. Yeah. It's other tours count.

So corn fairy. If you want on the corn fairy. And then they have D.P world wins. They have PGA tour wins. And they have majors.

Yeah. That. So Billy Ho's. I'm like, damn. He's kind of like quietly put together a blue collar.

Career there. Okay. Last one. Shane. Shane.

This is suspicious. You're wrong. I know. Kevin Os. He's got this.

He's got this. 390 points. He's got five PGA tour wins. One cordon fairy tour win. What about like Shane versus.

Obviously Shane's got a Bryson. Bryson's a slightly higher. His data golf treat live. Oh, I could tell you. They break it out by event.

They show you exactly how many points they give. For every event. So when Bryson won. Bryson won too. Bryson won Korea.

He got six point three points for that. When he was T 2 at the PGA, he got 11 points for that. So it's it's and like Shane got 28 points when he won the open championship. There. So it's a good.

It's a good. It's a good system.

“It's it's the only thing I don't like about it is just it's really hard to”

complete. Compare players of different ages. Yeah. Yeah. Because of how long they've been at it.

Well, so when you say that. Then I'm thinking who's a good historical comp for Larry. So again, Larry's rank 115th. This kind of has historical comp. So to your point.

Maybe not as good at doing this. But do you guys have any. Would you propose a historical comp to Larry? I have a list of six of them here. That I'm going to say like.

Kind of the same game like who's had a better career so far. Who's hot.

I'm going to use this list as my barometer basically.

Okay. Yeah. So it feels. Ogovisa. It's pretty good one TC.

Like one major. Yeah. So Ogovisa wasn't on my list. But he is at 99. So he's higher than Larry.

Uh, Ogovisa had seven PGA tour winds in one major. Uh, I mean honestly like G Mac, one major. I have to find one. A few times on each tour. It dial is 97 nine D P tour.

D P world tour winds three PGA tour and one major. That's 400 points. So that's a that's a really good one. Stenson. Stenson wasn't on my list.

It's one of one more. Stenson's at 31. Ham. 9 D P world. Two other tours.

5 PGA tour and one major. That's 604 points. There's got to be somewhere like a Ian Wu's number. Sandi Lyle or something like that. Are you peeking?

Why don't how long the segment's going to take. I'm going to wrap it up. We don't have to do that. Okay. Thomas Bjorn.

Okay. I like that. One 16. He's right behind him. I mean, no PGA tour winds 15 D P world winds.

All right. I got one for you. Where's Stoo sink? Good one. He's on my list 35.

Yes. 134 career points. The guy had eight worldwide when seven PGA tour and one major. Stoo sink does not get enough credit in this world. Does not have unfinished business.

But so it's like 12 years from now. Like Stoo sink's in the 50s now. Like it might be a different, you know. I mean, the loud was got along, you know. All right.

So, so same game is hailer when higher lower and data golf points. Higher. Higher. I mean, he won what? Two US opens.

Yeah, but a couple of those were pre 83. So I don't know how they count it. Like I don't know. He's 130. Yeah.

That's that's incomplete. Okay. So we won't go. And then Raymond Ford was 131. He had three.

He only had three PGA tour winds. We used to play. Try to cut teams. Yeah. While he only had three tour winds post 83.

“Uh, I think another good cop is Darren Clark 79th on data golf.”

Yeah. He had 11 euro or DP world wins. Two PGA and one major. I think that's probably your. And you know who doesn't get enough credit.

David tops. 33.

You won so much money.

Seven worldwide 12 PGA tour events.

And one major. Like anyway, sorry. I'll drag that on way too long. Please continue. Who's career would you rather have?

Shane. Setting a setting. I think you're on a piece of the last. Guys name and dudes. Yeah.

45 minutes and is. Thanks. Setting aside. Criminality and some. Oh, God.

Nature. On Hill. Cabrera or Shane Lowry. Who has more.

Because they're because they're kind of similar careers.

Cabrera's behind him. Doesn't have his. Yeah.

“But I'm saying who who's career would you rather have?”

The most Bible is the data golf points. Since you give a fuck. That's what I want. No. There is.

There's definitely an eye test. And I'd rather have Cabrera's career. For sure. Major. It's going to go to the.

Massage Champions Center. Yeah. For sure.

Now, I don't want to go to jail.

You know, I don't want to do bad stuff. But I was. What are what you were hesitated there. T.C. Oh, criminality.

Oh, no. It's a legend. Anyway. Just get this thing back on the. All right.

I'm sorry. That. Listen, I. That wasn't medium rare. That was.

I kind of burnt that one. That was well done. What was fun. Yeah. You went for criminality.

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been buying for the family for the last couple of years. So I'm by my desk. Yeah. It is. And I swear, that would be delicious. Yeah. Uh, TCM, I go down the board at all. I would love to go down the board. We're going to get a fedora five today. We're not going to get a fedora five. We told the people there would be one. The condition is just weren't right. Okay. I, I, again, Mavericks. It's like the wave. We had some disappointing national opens and just people

like not playing disappointing not hot. I don't know, man. Our guy at the South African open, he topped one. He was still kind of one. He went back to back to back to back to back National opens doesn't get you a look for the floor 522, but there's some concerning things. There was some TIO there down the stretch. No, it was bad. It was bad. I don't know. He's got whist to the kid, though. At that age with that bad of a Nike shirt on, that has, I mean, club, twirling down the stretch,

like champagne shower on the green, what a delightful viewing. That was good. That was good. This morning. The lightning delay when he got to 18 had to sit and wait. Then he got to the top of swing. He said, somebody laughed at the top of his swing. He must've been a really bad backswing. And he legitimately topped it. It, it said 17 foot apex, but it, like the people on the rope line were like jumping back as an almost got hit. If that's unbecoming in the fedora 5,

“it can't have that. It barely ran in the fairs in top one or shanked one. I think I think that”

should almost be like a, like he was back to back to the top. So it was complaining on slack today about how it's the same guys every single week. It seems to be worldly. He needs to bless us, yeah, things of that nature. He needs to bless, I think to do plus C. I believe, but I could be very wrong, of course. He 100,000 dollars for setting the course record. Did you see that? I didn't, he, that's like the leaving brothers. I'm going to give him a treasury. It's, it's wonderfully

weird to her, but it is just like, really that guy again, unbelievable. He got filmed, it's filmed a little bit, like it was good to see Eddie Pepper, which, which leader, what am I going down? We're now we're on the day of that, I'm sorry. I, I, I, I think you know, Togway, who's now from the UAE, not even,

will play, played quite well. So we're going down the south side. So we are going down the south side of that. We're going to go back, let's go back to the cognizant, we'll go back. We'll go down the leader board. We're just going to bounce. Yeah, Taylor Moore gets into the A on five. We had two boy guards in the top 10. Sally, Rasmus in Nikolai. Nikolai was T6, he finished, 66, 65 on the weekend, Rasmus 66, 67 on the weekend. Ricky Castillo, I still don't know why they pronounced, why his name

is pronounced that way, but it is correct. Austin Smotherman, we talked about him earlier, William Mal, chairman, the chairman. T6 for him, Keith Mitchell gets into the A on swing five that that gets him into Bay Hill, by Rafa. 65 final round. We think was battle in to make the cut after a opening at 74. Good weekend. Shot 66 on Friday. It's a, I see you player. Okay. I mean,

“like the bars pretty low for him right now. I think when he was on his way back, I think we all”

voiced our concerns when we were in the DR, like that the guy's game sucks right now. Like, you know, it's this is not like, you know, he's not going to waltz back in here and be dominating right away and it's not been pretty so far, but it's, it's a sign of life. It was mostly putting, if I have it right, so it's, you know, sustainability models might be a little bit concerned with that, but good to see Brooks playing good golf. It's not fun to watch and play poor golf.

He was 15th and putting this week, but the potting's been really, really bad. He's using a mallet now, which is just really bizarre to see Kevka with a mallet, but, um, Teddy Haynes on the West Coast. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. If you get on a bad. That's a whole game for him. He's local. Yeah. You're on a bad power run, but just good to see. Interesting to see, take note, who knows what it means, but, uh, and good to see Kevka Mitchell, like, finish finish off of a turn. I feel like he's

turning into a, like, I always see my leaderboard on Thursdays and Fridays and then go check the

“scores afterwards, like, T20, 30s, you know, it's all those restaurants, man. I mean, what do you think?”

I don't know. I wrote, I wrote for, for, uh, it's some great yellow pants on today. He didn't have the deep placate though on his shirt, like the one that goes all the way down to almost his waist. So I was got Maddie Schmid, T9, uh, Joel Damon, T9, good to see Joel playing well. Joel finished a shot out of, uh, getting the A on swing five from getting the bait. Yeah. Uh, about Max. Yeah, Max. Sounds alive. I love it. Yeah, 66, 69, 67, uh, Patton Kazaar, kind of back from the, back from oblivion.

He's, he played quite well. T13, AJ, you're Canadian guy. I don't know too too much about him. Uh, you know, he's playing good golf as a rookie Sally, Sudarshan, Yellow Mirageu. Both of them really.

Yes. He's, he's up to 60 second in the FedEx Cup. And, uh, he's just kind of consistently

showing up. So he's got a cool story. And he was one of the more interesting guys coming off corn fairy tour last year. Uh, Christopher right hand to Kumi Kenaya, uh, Marty Doe. All right. That's the top 20. Ryan Gerard, who is the pre-tournament favorite finished T23. Adrian Dumont, Ditches Sart, third round 65. See, starting. What are the rounds that they have any other rounds? 71, 71, 65. I also, I want to call out. I, I changed it in the notes. Uh,

Solie had Joe Heismith missing the cut. He actually made the cut. He made Burdy on 18 to eight the cut, but he finished, um, he was one of the ones that made the cut that moved the cut line. So I think, yeah, the note in there. No, no, you had him, like MC, he had him in the MC. No, no, okay. The note says, those three guys had final closing great rounds. Great finishes on Friday that move the cut. We're just getting worth the job. Let's, let you correct me again. So I just moved the cut line, but he did finish dead last.

“Notable MCs, Nate. Uh, was that the only thing you put in the notes? No, I was just in that”

stuff. No, no, let's see. I think I put a lot in there. Gordon Sergeant, Flades Brown, we're kind of the, the youth movement is on hold right now. Data Golf had a, you know, we're, I don't think we're going to break this down too much. Data Golf a great thing and their newsletter just kind of looking at, you know, who's, who's who we're up these, he's bonded data golf points. Uh, and it long story short, like it's an interesting chart and it that shows how much like the

25 and under guys were who bring up points as of like 2017. I mean, if, if you think of like when this was when we were started, it was the kid in 2017. Do you see who was the kid? Who's the kid? 2015 to 2017. Like, speed. Yeah, it says easy answer. There's the kid. That's a question. That's

it. J team. J team. J team. I mean, they were just, so they were basically earning 22 and a half

Now, some of that is due to, like, these fitness regimens and the, the longevity stuff of, like,

the way that guys are taking care of their bodies and the recovery and all of that stuff.

“I, I'd have to study this just a little bit longer, but I think this just has more of something”

to do with, like, being a unique class of guys that came out that was taking over between, like, 2014 and 2017 that, you know, took advantage of a little gap, you know, in at the ages above them at that certain time. But then those guys are also, like, not necessarily speed and, and JT, but all those guys just like, they, as they get older, now these younger guys have to deal with this class above them that is way stronger than what JT and speed had to deal with. And it's just,

there's more of an irregularity that you see from those young guys in that period than it is, like, this current crop sucks. Like, this current crop is just more in line with the previous 20 years before that great class of JT speed. There was a spike. Yes, with that class. We do have some, well, but then you have that, but it didn't work out, but, like, you, you will, but then they didn't sustain it. Right. But then now they're over 25. Yeah. So, seems like the young guys that there are

are all international, through that are actually doing stuff, right? Like, yeah, there's some young South African guys, he's over 25 now, is it? Of course he is. But, like, there's, there's young Australians, young South Africans, young Spaniards, as well. I don't know. Yeah, but it's just, it's, it's just like, college golf overrated. Well, it's just like the the best players now, like, best young players just aren't that good. Like, with our twins are good and, like,

they're, they're young. The young women's going to be really good. That's, that's kind of the

“prediction they make at the end is like, coavins the best amateur they've seen since 2010. I think it was,”

uh, to say he's one of the guys that has a chance to kind of, to buck that trend. But I thought it was interesting. Check that out the data golf newsletter. A to golf at, uh, I got another shout out for their newsletter this week too. Uh, it said bombers beware underrated trying to, in professional golf, is how many the biggest events are played at courses that favor driving accuracy. Since the introduction of signature events in 2023, all of the top players in the PGA tour now play venues,

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Sawgrass, Mirfield Village and East Lake, which have always hosted strong fields in favor of

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Roe, Burkdale, uh, and Arrona Mink. Around me plays neutral. Yeah. We're expecting, but yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I'm kind of embarrassed. I never thought of that. I love that. Yeah. The signature events don't go to just the bombers paradise golf courses. It's, it's, it's, yeah, it was a good thing they played on that note. I would love to get, like, a BSI watchlist. Who I like? Like who's on the watchlist and I had a couple names.

Top 10 most wanted. Like Brennan? No, he's not a ball speed imposter. No, he's, he's really, really good off the tee. I think it's just, we sure saw these pulling some stuff up here. Yeah, I mean, shots in in the lab profile. That's it. Look real good. I'm just, I just, I just, I just want to let you know, just alert to you. Just a concerning amount of bonus free shot that way. We can throw it into the YouTube video concerning amount of, actually, I actually, I look at that and say he's an

accurate job. Yeah. Really long and accurate. Which is really good, but we're seeing some holes in the putting in around the green. I'm concerned with how many of you. How's the approach play? Tor average. I'm concerned how much you are following and falling in love with BSIs across the list. Lift of it, TC. You guys said I was following and live with Marco Pange. Pange in a love of course. So that was, I heard that he was a quote flashy wide boy. Is he on the watchlist?

“Yeah, I think Pange is probably on the watchlist. That's what I saw it is.”

Pocketer on the watchlist. Oh, pocketers. He's, he's, he's, he's on the watchlist. He's like, cam champ is permanent like number one like the KSM. Okay. So we got cam champ, Taylor Pendreth, I believe he

has always been a BSIs. Yeah, but Pange, we got a stick with guys that he loves. And just to define it,

ball speed and pastors like guys that can just hit it really far but aren't good at golf. Yeah. Like they're, they're distant specifically keeps them in it. I got a, got a DM on Instagram earlier this week for my guy. We pulled this off. Because whenever I hear him say, yeah, that guy's a BSIs. It makes me laugh because I'm like,

speed and pastor guys? What makes their game so much worse than everyone else? Like I really like

cam champ and he's one guy I've heard you say you don't like, I just wonder why you don't like him. Like he is someone I feel could be really good. If he got better in some area of his game. I'm like, yeah, I know. I just like he's got one really good skill and I just don't think he's a good golfer

“beyond that. Like Ryan Brem. Again. Ryan Fox. I thought that's what you were talking about.”

He's a fox. Fox is Fox. He's actually seasoned. When he's talking about it, he's talking about it. It's all the hoigards. We'll get there in the future. We get the hoigards like he's on the pocket. There's only 21 or 22. Like I think he can he see these and make a BSI deck of cards. They're ace of spades. Yeah. So pocketer BNAs of some kind. It's tough to judge pot. Like when I don't think pocketer is fully baked yet. Okay. That makes sense. Sure. All right. I'm going to

still land. Correct. He's he's in there. Yeah. Sure. Okay. I'm going to move us along here. All right. So if you don't mind. I'm going to talk about some overseas, please. Sure. Oh, Billio. We're just like Billio. Sure. The Billio section of the pod. What are you putting? Well, hey. You got to move it with a fan. Yep. Which I watched a lot. Which was really sick. Yeah. I can I can. Yeah. Okay. So I mean, it's all over the interwebs, but he had a

he's trying to flop one up. But a badge. Was it behind 16? Yeah. It was long left of 16. He hit a bad shot under 15. He was cruising. It was like five or six hundred for the tournament. And he he tries to flop one up. But he hits like doesn't even bounce hits it right in the water. And he got TIO relief. And he had to drop it in the other thing. And then it was kind of a bear half over seed half for me to lie. And then yeah. And then he so it sounds like some you couldn't really

hear it on the broadcast. You can only hear what Billy was saying, but it sounds like somebody was chirping him about the overseas. And he was like check to check the transcript man. I was told I was talking about how great I love this place, how great the course was. And the guy, it sounds like the fan was saying, we're talking shit about our course or whatever. It was kind of a classic like these players hits a bad shot and it's like looking for anything to blame it on like

“but what do you say? It's like must feel good about yourself. Yeah. But you must feel good saying”

that must must make you feel good about yourself saying stuff like that man. So then that kind of ended Billy's week because he kind of had a kind of had it like you said he had kind of had a kind of a meltdown. I barely made a cut and then ended up and but he he had this long diet like a three-minute diet trying about the overseas, which he was on the right side of things. It's on the right side of history. Yeah. As far as like hey, I don't know why we're overseeing this

place, but he blamed it on the wrong people. He blamed it on ownership of the golf course of PGA National, which is some British private equity firm that you know that purchased it a year or two ago.

And you know he he was like they basically wanted green and lush and they're trying to squeeze

tournament, you know, squeeze squeeze tourist dollars out of it. From everything that I've heard over the last 18 months the PGA tour does not want to throttle these guys three weeks in a row between Honda Bay Hill players championship and if they like players in that harsh. Yeah, but like I know it's it's a test still, right? And so if they set this thing up, are they're going to scare off you know the good players that may show up that aren't showing up the other way. I know it's almost

like many already lost that battle. And so that's that's the thing. It's like this place is just like the whole the whole point of it is like kind of carnage and it's yeah this point of ban into it.

“Yeah, so I think that you know Billy's Billy's right on that front. I started jalson with them a”

little bit on well you know there's a there's another course in Florida that's your home course that also oversees like egregious way over oversees. We got going back and forth on that. I don't think it's realistic to not oversee TPC it's just showing the waters. God, I wasn't serious Billy. Come on, but but you know it was a good back and forth. I appreciated Billy addressing it even though I just I don't think that like this tournament's run by PGA tour championship management like

and there's stuff in the in the contract that they have with the course where like they can set it up and dictate how things go as far as setup goes and I don't think the tours is like lobbying to not you know to not oversee the cognizant classic which is the frustrating part. I get to the point of the of the Tommy Lee Jones gym. I don't care. I don't care who's fault today is I just don't I don't I don't I don't know. I'm also just on like this sinking ship of

a tournament is something that I just I can't muster up is enough energy to because there are there's

always there's always a reason why. I mean you said the reason why of like not wanting to beat the

I care a lot more about this issue it's like two weeks from now the players where it has a very

very very deep effect on the way the golf tournament is played from a Paul's approaching the green standpoint and like I said earlier I did it didn't affect my viewing as much on the early part of this week as much as I thought it would to last you've been a really dry year down there so far. The greens were good prior to the reins from Saturday and I left the golf the golf was good prior to it so just didn't bother me nearly as much but like they've not figured out the

overseed at the players to the point where I got my balls on when there hasn't been any rain on Thursday rounds and just balls backing up on I mean it sounds like they're conscientious

“of like hey we want to I think that needs to go hand in hand with this whole like all right”

if you guys are going to do this major push yeah which is a separate thing and not a good idea

in the commercial there is do more of that more I said that T.C. today watch like these commercial suck man but I do think like all right if you're going to do that then like at least set it up like a major and and you know bring the collars down and make the greens firmer and like if it looks a little bit less green let's say you draw like you know spray paint more metal over see instead of instead of seven x it's all about the color of the grass like

if you really get down to it it's like just wanted to look you know why you know why I have a cost I know yeah they have a hard on for a gusts but but also like all your product is like balls running in the water and guys guys struggling and like not knowing what the whole commercial about

balls bouncing on 17 the island green how hard it is and what they put the rate this color of rough

back left they don't get that on 17 you know because it's like there's something to stop the balls from running in the water anyway we can get there in the next couple of weeks I just thought this is what I want to say about Billy Ho I know everyone's like man I wish he would stop talking I'm like no I want to keep like it's refreshing I like it's like I don't want to discourage I wish more guys would speak their mind like that now does he say some stuff it's like

inaccurate for sure but like we need that we see him get up in front of the mic and be like I he went out of his way to say he really likes that course likes the tournament makes a point to come play it but I wish they didn't over see I have his hometown event so yes and that kind of stands if he was chirping and that guy didn't listen to the whole quote yeah what's your normal day what's the guy in the high crowd you can't you can't give up the high we have a wheels

“altaurus WD not good it was not back though I think it was ankle but okay that's what I heard”

okay I thought I hope I hope that's what I read right but the A on next 10 that are getting into Bay Hill Jake Nap Niko Hvary obviously men will lead Pearson Kudi Rio Hitsasune at I'm Scott Aljepalt Geter Austin's motherman Matt McCarty and Saat Tagala and the pineapple five are Nikolai Hoigard Patrick Rogers Taylor Moore Andrew Putnam and Keith Mitchell you got a low size pineapple parlay and that that A on next that those those sponsor invites into an A on

Andrew Putnam that's what you got to do man you get an opportunity you got to you got to parlay it into one of the swing fives I looked that up Andrew Putnam was T2 at the Mx and this is the pineapple five this week is the top five from Sony open Mx farmers waste management and cognizant classic now if you're in the next 10 you're not going to show up in the in the pineapple five oh my god this is so confusing no people really care about this okay people are really

upset about the closed shop you know they're very upset people have been tracking this the amount of tension over that final pineapple five spot in the round today was palpable on TV it was unbelievable there's some people that were super into it and Damon missed it no and then we've got yeah he needed to bring the last we've got a pineapple five yeah but is he but he's not even in the the next 10 no next 10's above the pineapple five okay so next

next 10 is the top 10 like the next 10 you are in the next part seat that's a good thing the current FedEx cup like if you're not already in the top 10 of the FedEx cup or the next 10 okay and the five is swing five is like who's the hot loose the score yeah this swing swing

“swing your spine oh that's why you're doing Damon's up to play I thought it was Sony I was like”

what oh Damon's up to 43 oh man I saw the known five so your Damon do you go to Puerto Rico like the Puerto Rico feels going to get extra but Damon wanted Puerto Rico didn't he think you want to put the con okay yeah DR what we're doing we got like scumbollersy get off that wasn't put the con and we got what speed got a sponsor exemption in the bay hill

right so cute that we can do the whole outraged thing yeah we can do this we very upset about this

“I'm let's get past sorry we digress in your podcast and all this has been there's no”

Fedora five is me so we had to yeah we had medium rare Shane Lauer even Lynch had a great article this week on golf week talking about it image really good as like drop in article with like that is just dripping with he knows way more than he's then he's reporting in this but if you

are sure just read between the lines of things it it almost always plays out it exactly

what he implies how it might play out said there was a meeting on Tuesday the future competition committee chaired by Tiger Woods and charged with determining the future structure of the tour it's expected that Brian roll up will announce the panels proposal during the players next month at which point speculation rumor were yield to concrete concepts and most likely contentiousness the process to actually implement any change will be lengthy and complicated

but the unavoidable first step involves the CEO delivering uncomfortable news to almost all of his stakeholders except the top players yeah you made it a point like he said in that column he's like notice who I didn't point out his stakeholders we're going to be affected by this top players yeah which is how it should be your top producers like yeah we're gonna yeah there's gonna be a lot of this I'll read a few more things from when we can talk about it but he said it's apparent that

the tour plans to anchor its business around a limited schedule of elevated events featuring its most bankable stars held whenever possible uh in the largest media markets this week's tournament lacking stars and in the 39th ranked market can be admitted as evidence supporting that strategic change I see the dilemma roll up faces is that weeks like this are necessary

first members but dilute of to his business he really oversees two products one for elite stars

which commands far superior broad cast ratings and the other for jobbing golfers both will survive in altered forms but only one can be foundational in a for-profit world that will mean tearing the tour establishing an aspirational strata for the best and an undercard level for the rest on the promotes high performers and relegates mediocrity a secondary tier of tournaments that would have to carry the PGA tour in premature and stand above the existing minor league corn

ferry tour which is pretty much what exactly we've been saying though of like there's a championship level there's a secondary PGA tour and there's the corn ferry tour and how that all works I one thing I would like them to figure out is having interchangeability between the corn ferry tour and the PGA tour I don't think guys should have to decide where to make starts like a blades brown and some guys can't even like you can't if you're eligible for the PGA tour event that week

you have to play that event even if you're like no I want to play corn ferry tour all season because that's that's how I'm going to get back to the tour is through that point system you can't do it

“you have to I could be wrong this but I think that works for certain categories okay like”

more veteran like if you're a veteran player yeah you can't drop I don't know exactly how that was so my business question to this is the it feels like for the past 10 15 years the tour has been built on until the signature so let me rephrase that until the signature event stuff came around it was kind of like all the tournaments were asking the sponsors to pay about the same amount yeah maybe plus or minus a little bit for playoffs and you know some some type of like

cachet that's not the last 10 or 15 years that's like the entire basis of Tim Finchems entire yeah so it's like almost like hey everything is if you're exactly if you're the John if you're John dear you're paying just as much as Genesis close enough close enough where it's like in within the same you know plus or minus so now from a business model standpoint you're going to flip if you flip this you're going to say cognizant's going to be like well if I'm sticking around like I better

get a deal here because you just made me the minor leagues basically and so then you got to go to

“AT&T and say you got to make up the gap right that's what's going on now with the signature events”

right the signature event cost is two and a half times at least what the cognizant cost is they're already doing it that's already happening yeah but that might go back that might get bigger works and say that's the bigger concern here is like they've made they've sold the networks here we're going to put golf the whole thing with selling to CBS and NBC it's like it's sports programming for the right audience every single weekend yes like everyone and now you're basically going to

go back and say like this isn't you know it's especially for NBC like you look at NBC's slate of signature events and big events compared to CBS is right now CBS gets all the good events NBC gets the players in Bay Hill and that's essentially it they're getting one more this year right because maybe they're getting morale I forget I forget exactly how that one shakes out

sell I think and it's it's it's it's it's going to be really interesting how he navigates this because

I think if you if you were starting from scratch this is what the PJ tour would look like from in terms of if you're making it a media product now what we've seen what we've talked about a ton over the years is the tour is just like a bunch of patch together events and a really interesting like tightly interwoven under under underpinned structure underneath of it that is hard to unwind and like make into something very clean and not have a bunch of stuff fall out the bottom like

certain events that have been around for a long time could end up falling out the bottom if you

“don't juggle all of the things you need to get moved if you need to move pebble to August and”

reave to August and so what are you doing now in February all this golf course didn't like that event now and nope this tournament organization this is not about the other stations so many then there's

a lot of history and just inertia and like what we've always done it this way you know how we can't

disrespect Byron Nelson you know like this guy's been attached to this event forever the same thing with Jack and in the palm beach well we've always been a huge and they gave up on that part when they went to crack reans like yeah yeah yeah it still honestly still feels like they're trying to like like middle it all out of these smaller events I'm curious you thought it was TC because I don't I don't look at this and say I don't think like the PGA tour's answer is like well gosh just go to

the big markets guys it's like I mean the PGA tour has been to big markets a lot they've had events in New York they've had events in Chicago they sometimes those events don't draw that's kind of where I'm out of like do I don't think the answer is just like straight up go to the big market places they've

done a really good job of going to places where their golf events going to be a big deal and if you

live in Manhattan like a PGA tour event coming to New York there's so much shit going on like you're just getting the you get in the market wrong like Beth Paige is not man you know it's it's I don't mean I'm just giving an example though of like I know what you're saying but it's like those big markets it's hard to say that to to find a course that can host a PGA tour event it's going to be just like just outside Chicago yeah and just outside New York City we're going to get

we're going to get a face full of liberty national yeah exactly where it's like that's not really the best setting for this yeah it's it's hard well we're going to New York City it's like Beth Paige isn't in New York City man just like that's the thing there's so much going on in these

“big cities too then unless you make it a really big event or a really quality event like I think”

that's where I struggle a little bit too is is like I do think there's an opportunity to do more stuff in prime time on the west coast for sure that's absolutely something but I also think that the when it comes down to alright why like why aren't there enough courses that can they can host going back to you know obviously there's logistics and space considerations and all that but it goes back to distance too and it goes back to you know like that's your product right near you

you know it's these guys are going to beat up on certain courses or you're not setting them up right look at look at Honda you know and it's or at Carnes and and it's so I think it's a fundamental misunderstanding and I think there are some people at the tour who do understand this but now they're explaining it to guys who don't come from within golf which I think a certain element of roll-ups thing is like everything's fresh eyes and and he's coming in from NFL but also like I wouldn't say the

NFL's like they're really going to make in money I wouldn't say they're like commercial hack tactful taste forward you know so I you know that's what I worry about a little bit too is like are they gonna get details right or are we just gonna get a lot of of spectacle type stuff without without much meat to it's it's point what really hooked me with roll-up is how much he talked about product and how much he talked about you know the media deals got a change and now

the entertainment value this boy like I I'm hooked on that and that's how you're gonna sell netflix too old yeah netflix is only gonna sign up because like they're they're gonna have to get a netflix or an Amazon involved in in bidding because NBC's gonna bulk at hey you're not gonna charge us

“more for for for less of a sandwich yeah and I think yeah and I think that that's what you know”

like like for instance you know the like because that that's what Netflix wants is like be event they want something to you know make that appointment TV yeah they don't want to they want the picture or they want to have that event and I think that that's where I look at it and I'm like all right like look at your own product here like look at TPC saw grass like bring it back to like being the big brownie bulb you know in your face big slopes on the greens challenged

these guys like making a fucking spectacle right instead of just oh it's really green and really lush and we're trying to just it's like it's so elevated it's so elevated and it's like no

of the other tournaments at this point sorry no that's that's I think I think what we are headed towards

is like just being at odds with like specifically to distance and we don't have to do a big distance thing tonight is for roll app coming into this job fresh and not being a huge golf guy it is really easy for him to say we commercially we don't need that we're going to need that roll back

“like I think that's an easy win for him with the players yes yes like I think I think cleaner”

I think I'm listening to you guys yeah I think he would also say like oh I totally can see where you're coming from on on why this is a problem and why this is a big deal and why it hurts the golf within there changing that it's not in my best interest and I here's like the monetary reasons why and I think you can make it pretty like that's right I have a feeling we're headed

but I feel like the players are making less money from the equipment companies than ever

not even necessarily the the money from the players might be but I still think like from a commercial load standpoint there I think there's the advertiser it's still headache the tour still makes a lot of money from equipment companies too yeah through sponsorships and television commercials you're still going to sell equipment I know I know but they don't but my point is they don't have to change unless it's like a true crisis and even if we see true crisis the people counting

the money might not see it as a true again can you make like definitively make the case for roll-up that they're going to make more money if they roll the equipment back because I don't feel like I can't I would improve the product I that's not what I ask but I think but are you

saying more money in the near term in the next five years are you saying more money in the next 15

20 years I think those are two very different questions I I but I think they're more likely to answer in the next five and then probably like man one of the own goal we're going to have all this like I don't want to deal with this money miss yeah I would say it's all the sports group the future competition something that's going to be on the throne mine I'd like to I would love them to I just don't like but that's not where like PJ tour players careers are now like the people that are

on these committees are playing now and they're so crazy there's no collective bargaining like there's not like it's just not the way other so crazy that we were sitting here thinking talking about six years ago about the new EV deal TV deal being signed like we're six years into that overlap so that thing and and we got a shit sandwich of a broadcast today too but to go to start to go back to the T.C. of like you're also marketing you're also presenting the product to

people that overwhelmingly think a rollback's not needed is a part of this equation as well of like

“who love green golf courses exactly exactly a casual fan base turns in is like that's what golf”

should like I think they're I think just to be clear tune and in like they're tune and in because there's a golf tournament on TV though right but I'm saying but it's not like they're going to change like whatever 80% of people propose a rollback of some of some kind like if you're that's who you're is watching your tournaments you're not going to flip you know you're not going to flip people with this I still feel the exact same way I'm just saying well I don't get the sense that like

this is where the leadership of the PJ tour is headed and I kind of do you disagree no I unfortunately I right yeah it's defeated it's a defeated viewpoint but yeah I pulled a quote from Amin's article that I really liked that some I honestly was like played right into it is quote because roll-up isn't laying out his vision or initiating a scramble amongst amongst constituents to preserve the perks and privileges he's dismantling a facade the tour has carefully

constructed a nurtured for decades that no cast system divides its members tournaments or sponsors it does and it's about to be formalist the point there is like that's the truth and it's almost like we haven't been telling the truth about the PGA tour they haven't been we started that well said

“it's like finally like so we need to start there like the truth is this should happen there should be”

less there can't every week can't matter so we have to have like less tournaments to matter it's just can't matter would you and I'm trying to say like not everything could be elevated or signature or a major large might not be major no it might not be that's just might be the truth we need to start telling the truth like will Smith in the uh CTE movie I'm telling the truth I so I feel like we're getting there and I and I like that with roll-up but like you might not go as far as we wanted to know about

the you know I mean like the product stuff that you're thinking he's gonna figure out the competitive structure I think that I'm excited about and I think there's gonna be some collateral damage there I think there's gonna be some events and things we like about the tour in the schedule and hopefully all that cast product yeah I confidence in that I'm strictly talking about on the you know the I don't feel like that's where they're headed on the on the golf you know figuring out

that part of the product which I think is really important but like long discussion I think the like

the last few weeks to this week like it's it's getting worse and worse every you know it's like it's getting bigger and bigger wider and wider every year it was jarring this week I have nothing

“nothing to add to that uh one thing I do do I think we do have to look forward to in the next”

couple weeks Jim Furik will be a commentator for NBC this upcoming week at Bay Hill and the players any I think that's gonna be great I yeah I know Jim Furik is like the definition of vanilla to a lot of people guys really smart he's articulate and hopefully the NBC stink doesn't rub off on him and he just is himself and and talks golf man because that NBC's done a good job at Bay Hill and players in the last but I would say Bay Hill is a commercial. I wouldn't say stink like they just have

two there too many cooks in the kitchen and yeah I thought hopefully Furik will be an upgrade from Kisner I feel like they throttle their talent though through the structure. Are they getting rid of the forester man like bones just also think I'm talking about yeah like I feel like like today I got a good amount out of smiling I think they're riding him too hard on this Friday happy hour stuff and I kind of do something different on Friday I'm in on that and then they toss it back to golf

central I don't know if you're what's great when I can't he's awesome he's he's he's he's can you see got a sense of humor and it'd be nice to get some some fresh blood in the in the booth

yeah NBC. Jay Madera the CFO of the PJ tour is retiring. Grats on it. Hey it was never my CFO.

“50 54 years old or what was our guy's name Ron. He was he was he old. Yeah I think he was the”

de facto CFO. Yeah I think he was the de facto dude. He was the dude. That guy had his money right. Yeah. I don't think guys are very happy about how bright his money. I remember when he had to go to Congress because I was just out. I'm taking a lot of wild time. He did well I thought he did well too. He did. I really do. Yeah PJ tour announced the charities that Brooks is donating to. Yeah that was something we need to see. It's on you

Hino Shikara is making his first start this week after giving a leaving live golf after the end of 2024 he'll be getting sponsored exemption into Puerto Rico. This was a sad story of tough story on the D.P. World Tour Andrea Pavan. He had a horrible accident at the South African open. He fell down three stories of fell down three stories down an elevator shaft in his lodging when the elevator doors opened with no car present. The 36 year old talent he suffered

severe shoulder damage and significant injuries to his back including fractures to several vertebrae. He had surgery on his back and shoulder this week but will be in the hospital in South Africa for at least six weeks before he can return home to Dallas. Some very nice stories going around around Andrea and go fund me is out there on the interview. I'm sorry I don't have a link to it as we speak right now but really really tough story there but he issued a statement

is in good spirits and has said he's been getting a lot of help and it really has appreciate all us. It's like some final destination for this one hit really hard for me. I've been in Brooklyn

stuck in the elevator a couple times never door never opened with no elevator but you get stuck

in the elevator sucks. And then then it makes you think about every time you get on the elevator the next week or two you're like man is this going to work or how much you don't think about it when you just go walk in the door like that's when you when you when you work at a hotel and like you're the night manager like you realize how often elevators malfunction to or break down

“like there you know there's a lot of safeguards built in but like I remember one time we had”

a little Stevie the guy from Springsteen's E Street band. Sure. That's stuck in the elevator like four to half hours. Oh my god it was awful. It was it was like halfway between two floors and you couldn't. That's so. Thoughts are with Andrea and his his his family as well with the Argentina open. Alistair dockery won the 119th correct not the one behind the hard Argentina open. American Alistair dockery won that one that was at Jockey Club. TC I know that's a place that you

hold near and dear to your heart. Yeah they they they did the the stream again for 15 16 17 and 18.

First two days with no sound with no sound on Saturday. I wish they would do like a it's great

that they have the stream to begin with. It was on the corn fairy tour YouTube channel. It was in much better shape this year than it was last year. The Argentine amateur the Segundo Aleva Pinto who was

So great great week for him. That's a big deal down there. He's you know he's he's got a bright

right future. But I wish they would show from the T box or from the fairway that you hand held camera view because the the mounting on 16 and 17 in particular like it's a flat as a pancake piece of property and McKenzie just like McKenzie built this place like right before a gust of national. So some of the stuff that you see like on eight the gusts of national you see that on 16. Yeah it's wild. There's short grass everywhere it's for me to it's great. Just feel it man.

I was so dialed. I was about to get high. He was in a flow state before he took that steamship back off. He was in a fun really. He didn't build like he designed it and then the guy that built it was the guy that helped body Jones like actually built it off. So anyway and then the New Zealand it was a triple triple national opens week. And now you're pissed your your posts on X the everything. I didn't get more love. Should have gotten more and Lawrence from office space. Three national

opens at the same time, man. It's good stuff. New Zealand open Daniel Hillier one of the guys that's been cleaning up on the on the DP world tour lately. He continued his strong play. One is national open

“over Lucas Herbert. I believe Hillier was already in the open and Herbert gets into the open.”

Hillier's another one is guys you keep seeing always. Just keep seeing every DP world tour ever.

And then I do want to shout out P finish T29. Is that it? Do you think that will affect his fedora 5 ranking? I don't think he's going to fall out of the fedora 5. I don't think he's playing this week. What's going on on the DP world tour this week? Joe Burke opened. Joe Burke. So maybe he's staying down in South Africa but he had kind of a stink around one. He was one over around one and then he finished. He shot 69, 69, 68. Plus three. He has some whiffs of Mr. Player.

Just wants to play. I go anywhere alone. What's P's data golf? One major. Hold, please. I don't know where to find the field for. 68 TC. 68. Okay. He has two DP world wins. 8 PGA tour wins and one major is 474 points. Okay. He's 35 years six months old. Yeah. So like that was kind of around the world of men's golf and we got LPGA as well. Hannah Green when the HSBC women's

world championship for the second time. She held off Austin Kim by a single shot. That's it was

it wasn't that close. She bokey the last two holes at St. Tosa. St. Tosa. Tosa is like well maintained and it was playing pretty firm. Those greens that were bouncy. It played it is what time of year did they play it when the live was there? It's a good question. I know when this was soft when live played it and this this has been this was nice. This was firm. Like this was like it rains and it rains all

“some all like late spring and summer there and get super humid. So I think this is like before”

all that was nice. Yeah. This was Hannah's seventh career LPGA tour title her first since she won three times in 2024. She had five wins in an 18 month span from April 23 to October 2024. Proper player. Really, really proper player won the 2019 KPMG Women's PGA at Hazel team and proper golf. I know you knew you were going to say that. Manjee Lee, Angel Yan, Pauline Roussin Buschard were T3. Had on you was sixth. Gino after winning last week finished T31 this

week. She won it. She won the jam eagle at a firm will sure twice. Two years in a row. That's real and then she's played. Obviously Australian. Minji in the mix too just makes it obvious that all right. This is a real test. It was a real test and who didn't play well. That's interesting.

“Gino. I think Gino might be the biggest dome golfer in the world. Wow.”

I mean that's that's my block right now. I like Gino. I have nothing against her other than I think there's some there's some overseed birdie-fest dome and gold tendencies there. But the OECO got it got to keep that in mind. So she's got it back. There's luckily there's enough majors on the women's side that are not are played in nice conditions like that that they oversee it at Memorial Park could be really really nice for them. And then Hazel team,

or so they don't even have to oversee the Hazel team because what's the OECO-ECO, got I still got to get the original version on the Soundboard. That's it on my to-do list for this week.

2045. How old are we going to be? How do we get out? I know when they's

in my place. I can date out. I'm like, man, I don't know if I'm going to be around 58. 58. Yeah. I did look at it. So they they 25. It's Denver, they announced some Walker Cup sites. Walked up going on national in 2040. Cypress in 2048. And seminal in 2052. My son, my son will be on that Cypress window. I mean, you'd be like 20, you might be like a 50 or senior around then. So I did the math on that one.

You know, Freddy, he's going to be 30 seconds. He'll be helping in the mid-AM.

“He's seven. I'm stoked for him, Ernest. I think if Ernest is, you know, I'll follow that one”

away for 2045. I'd like to attend that tournament in versus sweet.

It's good. We also need to roll that, man. They're going to be too old by that point.

What? 52? 28. That's it for Cypress. Oh for Cypress. Okay. Ernest is, is a solid, solid golf course. I would, it's stolen valley. I think it's better than around him. It's not in Scotland. That's not the U.S. That's P.J. American. Don't you bring the P.J. from American to this, my friend. I'm still, I don't know. I'm going to bring the P.J. American into this. Look at that. I think Ernest would be like, if they were going to the P.J.

James, you're there. I'm like, oh, that's kind of an upgrade on some of their venues. But U.S. opened is, I don't know. I get it. It's like, we got to have a rollback. A lot of weaker than pioneers that's a lot weaker than Chinacock. Wingfoot kind of take relief from me right now.

Pebble without much redo. I think if you drop sentences into where Wingfoot is in New York,

I think those are similar golf courses. Wingfoot is up in 19 years. I think so. The next Walker Cup sites are LeHinch, Bandin, Printses, Ocmont. There's no more British ones announced from there. But Chicago golf, National Pine Valley Cyprus Seminal. I mean, that's British,

“and Irish. Correct. Cheap and some. Substical British Isles. That's what I meant. It's a very recent list there.”

And the area of the hammer begins. Kevin, you asked you, a annual meetings. A couple of other things that the Kevin Hammer. Kevin Hammer. How about that? Hammer. Play with him at Pinehurst. How about that? It's great. Yeah. I think it'll be a strong leader. Purple was a strong leader as well. And I think it sounds like that they're going to, there's an opt-out that you can opt-out of having the on the gin.

Pebble grounds. Yeah. Public grounds. Yeah. And scores. Played around and scores. I'd like to call out to Hugh Fries. Good stuff. Didn't he get Buster being on a T-sheet though? Not for posting a gin score. Okay. Yeah. No, but being able to scout the CEO rounds has been a thing, a problem. You just don't want people to, people looking into your, into your, like, Malcolm Gladwell had a whole podcast about how he hated golf. And he was kind of

holding gin stats. Okay. Yeah. Anyway. Any final notes here, TC? Yeah. I've got to live corner just a quick one today. Torque golf club is partnering with the AJGA, the American Junior Golf Association. It's title sponsor of the Torque Golf Club Championship. TC, I love this. Send the elevator back down. Screw it. Screw the game. What's wrong with this? Tell me what's wrong with this. This is great. Nothing. I don't know where they're going to play that. I need to dig into that a little bit more.

Bryson and Ella Golf have split on Rumbling's band burger. Yeah. Some heavy duty quotes in there.

“Yeah. I was, I think it goes way, way, way deeper. And there's a lot of”

possible mouthpiece and it's going on there. Well, but also just Bryson been like, 50 or the LA golf guy been like, man, he was asking for 51% or he's going to walk. And I told him to walk. I mean, just some good, just kind of some like, a lot of rumors that Ella golf showed out. All only, it's all a showdown. All of his updates will cover Bryson and his team. There was some rumors there. There was some well-founded rumors. However,

alleged they were of LA golf. They bought matrix. There's blind shafts and they're painting them in production thousands of dollars for them. Anyway, wait, or must be stepping in from Michael's in this week. High flyers. He's a two-time Hong Kong open winner. I thought Phil was only supposed to miss two of us. I don't know. I maybe maybe like, and they're calling it a family health matter, but there's a lot of things floating around out there.

So we'll see. We'll see if that, if anything comes there, guys, was there a dust up at TGL? I think so. I think so. I think we can clever and work for what I, from the clip, I saw. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I said, I, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what,

Yeah, and Lucas just kind of got back in there and like, would you say,

like, I mean, I think the guy's just fucking around more than, I don't think it's like a serious TGL dust up to you.

“I, I would love to see a serious TGL. That's what we needed to be one. We're missing,”

what, what's the score right now? We're missing this. Is it live? My team is, uh, question. This is, this couldn't ruin my night here. I have it on DVR of course. Is it a double head at a night or is it a double head at a night or is it a double head at a night or is it a, we're up three, two. Let's go. We haven't wrapped this up. I need to watch the, the finale here. And then we got, it's on tomorrow night, right? Max is planning tonight. I have to watch it. We're doing a double.

Yeah. With the young Tom, Kim, how about that? How about young Tom, Kim?

Huff, the global superstar, global superstar, struggling. All right, on to, uh, and then PGA Championship needs volunteer. There's still many volunteers for a ronoming, which is in, what, two months, two and a half months. Uh, it's, it's a $270 fee if you would like to volunteer,

“but inflation, man. Not hit them up. I feel like when we started this, it was 80.”

Yeah, it's, you know, I feel like that's outpacing inflation. I feel like the fee to volunteer at a PGA, feels like they should. All I know is going up. So at a high rate. See what happens. Uh, we got a big week of golf coming up. We got the bay hill and rotational on polymer rotational bay hill. Whatever it's called now on the PGA tour. Live golf is in Hong Kong. King's foot. C.P. World Tour has the Joe Burke open. L.P. J. Tour remains in China for the Blue Bay L.P.

Okay. Before a week off, and then they make their return back to the U.S. for the founders in mid-March. We have a video coming out this week. Documenting our long trip to Jacksonville, Florida. DJ came down actually in TC and I, uh, we had a great, this is back in October. We filmed this,

and play a little golf run jacks. We always get a lot of questions about what golf courses

to play around jacks. Uh, that'll be a full full kind of city tour of a place we all call it home at some point. You guys got into this one. Yeah, you didn't make the cut. So scummy. Uh, that'll premiere on our, uh, YouTube channel 8 p.m. believe on Wednesday. Tough to do, you know, somebody was John and I was, they said, well, is this Pawn of Hydra or Jack's Beach? It's more of a beach is a little to be just like, it's just a, like, uh, retro

spectrum of a hometown. It's like a hometown visit for the boys. Jacksonville's the largest city in the country by land near in mass. It's tough to tough to unify. Square miles. We'll also have a new podcast out on Tuesday night. Uh, Denny Cash is making his trial return to the podcast. Yeah. We did a little dive into, um, I got to come up with a title for this yet, but it's, it's, it's like, finances in professional golf for individual golfers, like different lifestyles of professional golf. Financial being a

pro golf. Yeah. Like income, uh, you know, at the highest levels of the men's side, highest levels, the women's side, replacement level on the men's side, what do expenses like, what do people get wrong about finance? They have the highest caddy life. We have some Denny Cash, Denny Cash. Denny Cash gets in there. Good. Denny Cash has some intel on some of our houses. You know he's got some. So then you know Denny, he knows he knows what the meals are into as well. Yeah. We'll be live on Sunday,

shortly after the finale, uh, at Bay Hills, so join us on, uh, the no lay up podcast, YouTube channel, which we're here with. If you're watching this on YouTube, but that's subscribe button, Neil's, Neil's pay is driven by subscriber growth. Okay. And it's, it's, it's, it's just not, he just wants to see that down. We're going up, going down and so does Denny's. Uh, I like commission. Subscribe there or you can watch it on the everything app as well. Anything we

“miss guys. Now, I think we went too long. Neil, what's your next round of golf?”

What am I playing next? Uh, well, I'm going to Arizona, uh, Wednesday night. Oh, okay. I'm going to be in, well, I mean, I'll just call it out. We're doing a, like documentary on the U.S. National Development Program. And I'm going to join the, the team, our, our, our promising. They get developed you. Hopefully. Yeah. I'm going to, we're going to test test ourselves against the best. Neil's going to be the Walker Cup of National in 2014. What I'm trying to do, I'm trying to be the

kid again, TC. So my, I don't know if I'm going to play a round out there, but I'm definitely going to do some testing. Got it. So that's my next. Yeah. The overseas though. Desert Mountain. It's a record for overseas references of this week on the pod. Thank you, everyone, for tuning in. We'll see you back here next week. Cheers.