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This is the harsh truth. Your 9-5 is not the reason you're feeling behind in life. It's what you're doing after your 9-5 that's keeping you stuck. Because while your day job may pay your bills, your 5-9 determines who you become.
Those few hours after work, or where books get written, businesses get built, bodies get healthier, relationships deepen and lives begin to change. But for most of us, those hours disappear into exhaustion, scrolling, chores and distractions before we even realise it.
The reality is, most people spend their energy maintaining their current life
rather than working toward the future they really want. You have dreams that you want for yourself, but your daily routine doesn't align with what it would take to accomplish them. Ask yourself this, picture the version of yourself that you want to be in one year. Does your current lifestyle look like the one that person has?
The truth is, you're not lazy, but you're probably stuck in decision fatigue, cognitive overload, and with a nervous system that's over-stimulated.
“And I think that's why so many of us can feel frustrated with ourselves.”
You genuinely want to change your life, we keep falling into the same patterns every night. How many of you tell yourself that after work, you're finally going to exercise, work on your passion project, cook a healthy meal, reconnect with the loved one, read a book,
or try a new hobby. And instead, you end up on the couch. Four episodes deep into a teeny show, wondering where the entire night went. You promise yourself, tomorrow will be different. Tomorrow you'll have more discipline.
Tomorrow you will finally just do the task. You said you were going to do. But that's where most people are approaching their five to nine. Completely wrong. They're relying on motivation instead of systems,
reacting to their exhaustion instead of fixing it, and unknowingly building routines that drain even more energy from them instead of giving that energy back. Researcher studying decision fatigue found that the quality of our decisions tends to decline throughout the day as our mental energy gets depleted.
By the evening, most people are operating with significantly less cognitive bandwidth than they had earlier in the morning. That's part of why passive habits become so much harder to resist at night, even when you wake up motivated and ready for a productive day. And unfortunately, most of the systems surrounding us
are designed to make passive behaviour incredibly easy. Streaming platforms all to play the next episode.
Your Instagram feed never ends,
and the cozy comfy couch is always going to feel better in the moment than lacing up your sneakers. Now obviously, rest matters.
“I think one of the biggest mistakes self-improvement culture makes”
is treating every moment of rest, like failure. Rest and recovery are extremely important. But there's a very big difference between intentional rest that restores your energy versus the numbing out and feeling frustrated with ourselves that we tend to do on weeknights.
If you're just constantly resting each night to reset for the next workday, you'll realize a month went by where you didn't even start a project. You were excited about. Your goal start feeling like they belong to some future version of yourself who will eventually have more time, more energy, more clarity, more motivation.
But your evenings, right now, as your life looks today, matter. And I'm going to help you utilize them so you can be productive, energized, and more fulfilled. It's not about finding more hours in the day.
It's about resetting the way you use the crucial time you do have.
You have goals, you want to be productive, you want to feel happy and well-rounded. Well, red, you want to spend time with the people you love and who love you. All of these things are accessible to you. If you do the five to nine right, so today I want to take us through the five shifts that can completely change your evenings and ultimately your life.
The first shift is changing your first move after work. Behavioral scientists Wendy Wood, who studies habits and automatic behavior, has found that much of human behavior is driven less by conscious decision-making and more by environmental cues and repeated patterns.
“That's why so many people sit down for five minutes after work”
and somehow lose three hours to tick-tock. The brain recognises the pattern before your conscious mind fully catches up. One of the biggest mistakes people make is trying to fight the wrong battle. If you know that going straight home from the office destroys your momentum, stop trying to rely on discipline once you're already in your home.
Change the first move instead. Go directly to the gym after work.
Stop at a cafe before heading home and spend an hour working on your side hus...
Go for a walk after you park your car before you head in the front door.
“Meet a friend for dinner straight from the office.”
Interrupt the autopilot loop before the decision-for-teed fully takes over. Psychologists call this implementation intention theory, creating specific if-then plans ahead of time. Instead of vaguely saying I should work out more, you decide if work ends at six then I get to the gym at 6.15. Research consistently shows that people are far more likely
to follow drawn behaviors when they've created a specific situational plan ahead of time. Most lives are shaped less by huge dramatic choices and more by repeated small decisions that slowly become your identity.
My first move after a workday is to dive into a book.
I keep books open in different places in my home. There's one by my bedside, one in my living room, one in my office, and what I try and do is just dive into a book immediately. I know that if I wait to settle down, if I wait to simmer down, I'll probably lose the motivation.
But if I pick up a book that's already open and go back to where I was when I finished off, then already I'm reconnected. Something I prioritized doing every single night is having a meal with someone I love without my phone.
“I think it's so important to feel a sense of connection.”
The second shift is batching small tasks so they don't consume your entire week. I think one of the biggest reasons people feel like they don't have time after work is because they're redoing the same basic life-maintainant tasks every single night. Laundry, grocery shopping, answering emails, handling carpool, running to appointments. None of these things feel overwhelming individually, but together they eat hours of your
evenings before you ever get to the thing you actually care about. This is why batching your life admin is so important to getting your time back. meal prep for two hours on Sunday instead of spending hours cooking from scratch every single night. Do all your house cleaning in one block instead of scattering it throughout the week. Pick one evening a week for laundry and stick to it.
Spend 30 minutes on a Sunday planning your week nights ahead so you stop wasting energy constantly deciding what to do next. The goal is to reconfigure the free hours you already have in a week to make room for the things you actually want to spend time doing. The more friction you remove from basic life maintenance, the more energy you have left for your health, relationships, creativity, and future.
The third shift is to stop waiting to feel good or motivated before taking action. I genuinely think this is one of the most damaging beliefs people tell themselves. They think they should feel inspired before creating, energized before exercising,
calm before meditating, confident before starting a new task, but that's not always realistic
in the chaos of our busy daily lives. In fact, consistency usually comes before motivation not after it. That doesn't mean ignoring your body or forcing yourself into burnout, but it does mean occasionally whatever it is you want to accomplish in your life you just have to do it tired. Go to dinner with friends even if you're in a bad mood. Go to a workout class even if you're your only. Open that word document of the book you want to write, even if you're creatively
slumped. Prove to yourself that you can rely on yourself to do the things you say you're going to do, even if you're not in the perfect mood to do them. Because the reality is, after a tough day you're nine to five, it's likely you're not going to be in the mood to do anything
“but lay on the couch and start scrolling. So at some point you need to be okay with just doing it”
anyway. You know, when I'm struggling for motivation, after work, but I want to work on my book or work on a creative thing that I haven't a time for in my day, I just think about what it will feel like in a week to not do it. I know if I don't do that thing that I creatively want to do for a week, I'm going to fill empty. I'm going to feel heavy. I'm going to feel like I'm not doing what I was meant to do and so future facing the emotion that I'll experience impacts me to make
a difference now. Another thing I want to talk about is an activity that I don't look forward to
or didn't use to at least was going to the gym. I always used to feel I don't have enough energy
for the gym. I'm not ready for the gym. Only to realise that every time I leave the gym I feel amazing and I feel so happy that I went and I want you to realise that the things that are good for you feel bad at the beginning and amazing afterwards and the things that are bad for you they feel great in the beginning and not so great afterwards. The brain naturally gravitates towards
Immediate relief instead of pushing forward, but over time this creates a dee...
You stop trusting yourself. Every night becomes further proof that you're okay with abandoning
the things you said matter to you. Eventually you come to believe that you're incapable of
“even accomplishing them at all. That's why even the smallest actions matter so much.”
Reading 10 pages, going for a walk, spending 30 minutes researching for a project, calling your loved one to check in, these actions seem insignificant in isolation, but over time they become evidence about who you are. It's easy to look ahead and get excited by outcomes. Money's success transformation, but the real journey to your goals is just based on repetition. Your future is truly shaped by what you repeatedly do on ordinary Tuesday nights when nobody's watching.
The fourth shift is giving yourself one meaningful goal each evening instead of trying to reinvent your entire life overnight. I think ambitious people are intentionally sabotaged themselves in this area constantly. They get home from work and they expect they'll be able to work out
“cook dinner, clean the apartment, answer emails, see friends, meditate, read journal, call family,”
work on their businesses and still get eight hours of sleep at the end of the night. It's impossible to do everything all at once. When you overset your goals for one weeknight, you're going to end up feeling guilty and I'm productive when you inevitably don't get it all done. This creates a terrible psychological loop where you're evening start feeling associated with inadequacy instead of fulfillment. What you really need to be doing is trying to win the week, not trying to win
every single day. There's been lots of times in my life where I've been close to burning out because I've been trying to do everything all at the same time. Think about the weather. Seasons. Seasons exist because even the environment does different things in different phases at different times. Think about your life as seasons, not as one season for the whole year. That's what really helped me understand the importance of priorities. Some seasons are like spring. They're
about new ideas, fresh growth. Some seasons are about summer. Joy, experience going deep into immersive feelings. Some seasons are like autumn. They're like about shedding. And some seasons are like winter about hibernating and just protecting yourself. Not every goal needs to be worked toward every evening. Maybe a couple of weeknights have a wellness and exercise. Maybe one is for friendships. One is for creativity. And one is for the practical life
maintenance you're now batching. A balanced life repeated consistently is where real progress is made.
And finally the fifth shift is building evenings that actually give you energy back. Listen,
I understand that having a 95 is taxing and exhausting. And your natural instinct is to structure entire life around maintaining energy just to survive at work. But it we as humans actually gain energy back in the long run when we're pouring into ourselves and into the activities that truly full fill us. There's a reason people often feel more energized after a workout, a meaningful conversation, a walk outside or after a productive hour of work rather than three hours straight
of scrolling. Your energy is like a generator, not a battery. It's not constantly draining until you hit zero. Rather you're able to revive reset and pull your energy levels back up depending on what you choose to pour your time and attention into. The goal of your evening should not just be recovering enough to survive tomorrow to make the most of our five to nine's. We need to connect intentionally to something that is building us towards a better future. I love going on a hike
“after work. I think being a nature, being outdoors, expanding the mind makes me feel so, so energized.”
Now I don't always want to go, but I've started to write down and journal about the feeling
after I hike. So after I do force myself to go in a hike, I'll write about it. So that the next day when I don't want to go, when I'm tired, I read it to myself or I listen back to an audio journal, which is saying to me, don't give up, call on that hike, get out there. For me, an ideal successful weeknight is getting to bed on time. I really believe that if we were all sleeping seven to nine hours a night, it would take away around 50% of our problems, because it would give
us the ability to curb our cravings, to work out, to have more energy in the day, to feel better, to not be as irritable or as reactive to things around us. So for me a successful weeknight is making
Sure that I don't spend loads of time on my phones that I can actually relax ...
myself to have a wind down routine that I fall asleep by 10 p.m. latest. Now I'm not perfect.
I make mistakes. I sleep later than that. I have events during the week as well. This is not about perfection. It's about practice and progress. At the end of the day, this is really about reclaiming autonomy and authorship over your own life. You don't need to make any huge dramatic changes to feel more productive. Instead, focus on small repeatable choices every day that slowly shift the direction of your life. Most people massively underestimate what can happen
in a year of intentional evenings. Sure, one workout will not transform your life tomorrow, reading temperatures tonight, won't instantly make you wise, spending an hour on your dream after
dinner won't immediately change your career. But these actions repeated consistently over months
“and even years, that's where the true meaning of your life is built. I remember when I was working”
at a corporate company and in my heart, I had a dream of what I really wanted to do and my nine to five wasn't really a nine to five. There was more like a nine to seven nine to eight and so I get back and then I'd work. I remember spending four to five hours a night five days a week to edit one five minute video. Now, if anyone ever tells you or take them 20 hours to edit a video, just know that is not a good amount of time. That is way too long. But I spend that long because
I had to teach myself how to edit. So I was teaching myself how to edit. I was editing my videos. I was posting them on to YouTube. I was making thumbnails. I was doing all of these things. Skills that I hadn't didn't have in order to live my dream and I don't regret it at all. Yes, I missed birthdays. Yes, I missed events. Yes, I missed hangouts. During that time, I missed so many different things, but I don't regret it because it set me up for the greatest
“gift in my life, which is doing what I love. I remember as a teenager, I read David Beckham's”
autobiography and he talked about how when he was a young man in his teens, all of his friends were out parting on a Friday night and he was at the park. He'd hang a tire, a car tire in the corner of the goal and he'd practice free kicks until he could get loads in a row. And he doesn't regret it because it allowed him to live his dream. You are going to have to make choices about how you spend your evenings, what you focus on, what you prioritize, what you build around in order to build
your future. It won't be easy. It won't be comfortable. I remember editing videos and putting them out and the my friends saying things like, "Jay the music, editing's bad. The clips are too fast. You talk too fast." There were so much criticism that came with it as well. Obviously, I wasn't perfect. I was working a full-time job and trying to figure it out. I wasn't great everything I was doing, but I started even when it wasn't perfect. And I stand before you today,
or I sit before you today, because I was able to follow through on it, not because I got everything right, not because I had a perfect plan, not because everything was perfectly executed, but because I started. I want you to think about what your life would look like. If you woke up a year from now and you were an exactly the same place, because all you did after your nine to five was doom scroll was waste time and not even rest and restore. I think that's one of the most fascinating things.
Usually turn to something to help us escape. We actually think happiness is relief. We think of relief from pain and stress as happiness, but it's not. It's just relief. I find that so many of us think that just doom scrolling all night will actually help us decompress. We'll actually help us rest, but it doesn't do that. It doesn't make you feel karma. I was with a friend a couple of months ago and instead of doom scrolling or instead of just wasting time, we decided to spend an hour in
silence together. Just to help our mind and bodies really decompress. It's almost like putting your
“phone on charge. You have to get off of it to let it charge to let it refuel. Think about your”
body and mind. We're so overstimulated. We're so overwhelmed throughout the day. We rarely give our
body and mind and opportunity to just reset. For me, it's been such a powerful practice to ask
myself, when do I actually feel rested? What do I need to actually do to make myself feel rejuvenated? What, not what do I need to do to distract myself? Not what do I need to do to numb
Myself or escape?
and challenge you to ask yourself that, what do you do so that when you wake up in the morning,
“you don't regret it? How many of you stay up all night watching something? And the next morning,”
you wake up and go, I wish it went to bed earlier, right? That's not rest. And here's the reality. I know we all carry guilt and shame around this. I do too. Like if I do and scroll for too long, I'll feel a bit guilty. If I feel like I wasted an evening, I could feel guilty and here's the interesting thing. Guilt can block growth. Right? If you force yourself into feeling guilty, you can force you to make a change, but it can also block growth because it makes you feel more
shameful. It makes you feel like you're not worthy of working harder. So I want you to be really careful to choose things that really help you rest, that really help you refuel, that really help you restore, not just distract and numb and find relief. I want you to try and figure out what that is for you. I wanted to address something else. I'm not encouraging hustle culture. I'm not encouraging you to burn yourself out. What I'm encouraging you to do is to recognize
that there will be a one-to-two-year window in your life where you're able to lock in in this
“way and it will positively impact the next 10-20 years of your life. That's what we're after.”
We're not after just doing this for the sake of doing it. We're not just after doing it because we have to do it, but there will be a certain season and phase in your life where carving out this time will pay dividends for decades. I want you to reach your potential. I want you to achieve the things that you're really, really excited about. I want you to have an opportunity, but I also want to be real with you. There is no substitute for the 5-9. There is no substitute
for the work after work. There is no substitute to the working on weekends. There's no substitute to planning and organizing your time better. There is no substitute. We think someone got lucky. It just worked out for them. They got really fortunate. I promise you that everyone you admire, everyone you look up to had a season of their life where they were dedicated, immersed and devoted to what you see them doing now. And guess what? When you're learning in your skill,
when you're building a muscle, you actually feel more motivated. You get way more excited. You actually start to fall in love with the process. If you're just focused on the success and the win, you actually be demoralized. But when you start to think that you're making progress, you're actually gaining momentum, that starts to make you feel better about your whole life. And all of a sudden, you're showing up to work with more energy. You sharp to your friends, evening with more
energy. And it was like, what happened to you? Where did this come from? You're like, because I can see myself growing. I can see myself taking steps forward. I can see myself taking action. That's where confidence comes from. Confidence comes from building competence and evidence that you show up for yourself. When you build your skills and competence, and when you show up for yourself, repeatedly and build evidence, that's where you get confidence from and confidence shines into
every area of your life. Here's the last thing I want to leave you with. You will never regret
working a little bit harder for something you care about. We already work so hard for things. We don't care that much about. We may have to do a job that we have to do. We may have to show up in some places because we have to. There are so many things you work hard at that you don't love and don't care about. Imagine what your life would look like if you worked a little bit harder to care about the things that are important to you. Imagine what you could achieve. Imagine what's
possible. And then do the work, take that step, take that action. Remember, I'm forever in your corner,
I'm always rooting for you. And I can't wait to see what you build in your 5 to 9. If this episode
resonates with you, you'll love my conversation with tennis legend Novak Jokbech. He shares our
“discipline, self-belief and spiritual growth, shaped his career. Not having success is not an option.”
Like I have to succeed. It's basically a matter of existence, a survival of my family. This isn't "I Heart Packest."


