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Have you ever pretended you're someone else? Pretty much twice a week with you, Kara. Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher. And I'm Skack-Alley. Skye? I was in San Francisco. I did a lovely event with Gavin Newsson and

Anlamot, an unusual pair, and the crowd was lovely and asked me all about you in a good way. Good way. They were asking upon you. Can you help him? No. Well, every now and then I get that. What was the event?

My sister-in-law has a thing called Refugia, which helps take these sort of empty public spaces to bring people together and use this native grass as the duck don't eat a lot of water and create things for older and younger people to get together and like, you know, in public schools.

“Where are you now? You're on a hotel now. Where are you now?”

I'm in New York now. Oh, you're back in New York. Yeah, I'm interviewing. I have three podcasts today and I make you share all tonight the governor of New Jersey. I'm also interviewing the devil where's product people today,

the director and writer. It's getting amazing reviews just as I said.

Oh nice. But you don't like sequels, but this sequel is good. Well, I like sequels. I just think Hollywood is running out of, you know, when nine, when nine of 10 top films are not original IP, I think Hollywood has a lack of investment and creativity.

Well, let me say this one isn't. This one is worth the wait. It's 20 years. And one interesting one. Have you heard about this book by Patrick Raddenkef? It's about a kid who lived in a pretty upper middle class family, but he had aspirations of more because he was in a private school with a lot of oligarchs, kids and he pretended he was an oligarchs kid and ended up dead thrown out of window.

Yeah, it's an astonishing story and they're saying it was suicide, but maybe it was a homicide. And he got all mobbed up with Russians and various people. It's, it's really something I read it on the plane. I must have, I would imagine that it took place a while ago to because most of the Russians have left.

Well, I don't know, I guess.

“I don't know. Have you ever pretended your someone else?”

Pretty much twice a week with you, Kara. No. No. I pretend to be thoughtful on a good person. There's definitely something interesting about the spectrum between, I mean, there's

some truths of the fact that you never meet someone you meet their representative.

And so I don't like there's a scale, right? Yeah. And the same as true of entrepreneurs, at what point are you, are you a visionary or a psychopathal liar? I think there's a lot of that in society and quite frankly, some of it's a strategy. Yeah. But if you, like, said you did something else, I've never done that. I'm exactly

the same. Oh, no. I don't, I don't, I don't, I quite frankly, not because I'm ethical, but because I'm smarter to know that when a digital world will find out. It is hard today to do it, because everyone's searchable, right? I mean, anyone. Yeah.

I don't know. Actually, a few times, I've said I look good naked, so. Oh, go. Who would you say if you could be, like, if you could pretend you or someone? I could pretend I was in my switch places with them.

Um, I've never thought about, um, yeah. I've never thought, oh, I wish I was this person.

“It's taken me a long time to, like, this one.”

I know. I know. It's interesting. You want to be you. Um, I was on that were bound. And when you got there many years ago in my 20s, they wouldn't, they said, do not say what you do for a living to anybody. Like, so that we don't know, right, that you talk about anything else, but your job, which is very hard, actually. And I was just in my 20s, so I wasn't that far along.

And what I was clearly a reporter. And at the end of the, it was like, I don't know, two weeks or 10 days or something like that. They said all the jobs of everybody. And we were sitting in a group at the last session. And, you know, talking. And we got to really know each other, but you couldn't talk about what you did, which is really hard. And, um, and it's actually a really good exercise.

I have to say, and they had the, well, all the jobs around the, around the circle. And nobody got anybody's job right. Everybody thought someone was someone thought, I was, like, a, um, a defense lawyer. I'm a mechanic. No, a defense lawyer that I was, I, I was like a killer, a killer

“lawyer. That's what they thought I was killer lawyer. Well, that's, you kind of are.”

That's pretty. That's actually pretty accurate. You know, it did not get me laid in 2000s in New York. Oh, I broke up to a bar, finally get a wrap going order drank. What do you do? I'm a teacher. Oh, isn't that nice? I got to go. Hi, I got to find somebody can take me to St. Parts next week. I think that's sexy. Now, I think today, it's a cool job. Well, you hear from a lot, what I can spot

immediately, though, I asked people what they do all the time. I don't, I think it's interesting. I'm not trying to sell or assess their importance. I just find it really interesting because quite frankly, pretty much all I do is work. And that's kind of my identity, which is pathetic. But I find it really interesting. The general difference between our A difference between US and Europe is in the US people ask what you do in

Europe. They ask where you from. But what I find, what I'm running into a lot, a lot of young men come up to me in when I'm out in New York. And I'll, you know, say, what

do you do? And you can always tell that the son of a rich kid, because they go on

for about a minute trying to describe what they do. And it's clear, like, okay, you do nothing and someone else is paying your bills. They, they talk about some convoluted, or they're trying to start a platform for creatives or artists or they're starting a membership club or, so go, you have rich parents. Anyways, I can sniff out in Appo babies pretty quickly. Oh, my kids all work hard. They have

good jobs. Anyway, let's get to the news. The FCC, this story, Scott, has ordered Disney to file early renewal applications for its ABC-owned broadcast licenses. These are affiliates in different city years ahead of the normal schedule. The commission is citing an ongoing investigation into Disney's DEI practices justification. More notably, it comes days after Trump and Melania renewed a push

to take Jimmy Kimmel off the air after he made a joke about Melania being expecting widow. Disney is pushing back hard. The new CEO is not having it, and he's being supported by a range of companies and everything else. This is a step too far for our good friend and more on Brent, Brent, and a car. I'm calling him Brenda. Who is more on? He's a moron, and he's just such a

nakedly political. Although I wouldn't want to say him naked speaking naked, a political person who is just carrying water for the Trumps. Melania doing this was, you know, fascinating. But Kimmel's just entangled in his put out a series of things. And no one is putting up with this shit and they're going to lose the FCC's going to lose in court. But what a harassment of an American

company, a classic American company. What do you think about this? Well, I

actually saw Kimmel's response. I mean, the reality is late night TV's

dying without the help of Brent. Exactly. And in a weird way, it kind of helps. I think Jimmy Kimmel, all the late night people are extraordinarily talented. That is to be quick on your feed, hardworking, come up a new material every night. They're extraordinarily talented. People all of them across all spectrum. And I'm actually trying to get to make Kimmel to

come be the interview for our property markets live in Los Angeles and Jimmy call me. So I think it would be very interesting to have him talk about it. I think I don't think Jimmy should have, I watched it where he

“addressed it. And so, of course, I think you should just double down and say I”

stand by everything I said. He has it's humor. And he has an ensuing skits are very funny. He did, he's done a series. Okay. This is what's going on here. Fascism. So who said they're poisoning the blood of our country? Oh, that was Trump. Who described political opponents as

Adam's shift was guilty of a crime that is punishable by death. That's treason. The dehumanization, the delegitimization, the exclusion, the criminalization, the existential threat framing, no individual in public office, has done more of this in the world. The Donald Trump. Can I

interject one of the things that's incredible? Is that these are the

free speech warriors, right? And I'm like, where are? Where's all those folk? Where's the folk at the free brass? Where's the folk? Where's the

“legal? Remember that one? Comedy should be legal. Where's the”

Ilani? I know he's busy and court losing his mind, but which isn't a very far stop. But at the same time, former FBR director James Komi has been indicted yet again for making a thread against President Trump by photographing C shells on the beach that said, I think it's 86, 46, 47, whatever, whichever president he is. It was funny. And he was

just doing it. And by the way, a lot of the right had done it to Biden, like 86, whatever number he has, 46. I was a waiter, 86

meant we're out of. Yeah, but we had a, we had a chalkboard that said

86, Trump claims it's a mob kill. He claims it's a mob kill name, because he lives in the 70s of New York, you know, but this is like he's, is approval ratings are underwater. It doesn't work, because everyone's heard him talk like, and then the culture wars turning up the volume seems like, hey, dude, that was last year or two years ago,

“that worked and doesn't work anymore, because I think everyone's, let”

me Disney's pushing back. This is just like an astonishing array of, like, what I'm more interested in is like, Brenda and the, and, and this guy who's running, DOJ, I thought, Pam Bonnie sucked, but Todd Blanch is trying to compete for suckiest suck up. They're, the enablers of this guy that go, go for it are really quite astonishing to me, even.

Yeah, but isn't, are we, are we just disappointed? I think we always blame our

political leaders, and he is the culprit here, but I'm shocked there isn't more pushback. I just, people seem to be, I think we've become complacent. I think we've taken a lot of our, our norms and our rights for granted, and that people, I think people are complacent, and I'd like to think that the midterms will show, maybe that they're not, but I think people, with

the voting. Maybe, apparently, assume that things will ever back to normal at some point. Oh, I don't think they're complacent. There's been a lot of pushback to the Kimmel stuff and the Komi stuff. I just think people are like, you know, enough of this fucking asshole. Why is he taking up so much of our

“brain oxygen on this nonsense? It's working, I think it's, I think it's not”

to chill across all of cable TV. Oh, I don't think so. I don't think so. He look how Disney's reacted. They're like, no fucking way. I know firsthand from a bunch of producers that the legal costs and the review of stuff is gone way up, and anything that feels on the edge, they say, can we say something else or can we lie in the language? I think this intimidation in this chill is

working. Well, I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't think it is. I don't think it's going to work, and I don't think it, it works. And, you know, these people, like, let me just tell you, Brenda, when you leave office, which you will, at some point, I'm going to follow you everywhere, everywhere you try to get a job. I'm going to bring up all your terrible things. I'm going to make sure

people know what you did. I'm going to make sure people understand who Brenda is because there's nothing we can do about Trump at this point. I was just thinking that he is in our head so much. We have to like remove him from our head, but it doesn't mean ignoring him. It means removing, we get so sucked into their ridiculous, comical, toxically comical drama. It's got to be

time to say, you're in our fucking rearview mirror, old man, old cancels, you know, man of cognitive questionability, like, and move him along, you know, just move him along. You brought up an interesting thing, and that is, the media just doesn't know how to cover Trump. Showing him dressed to the nines to have him say he's

deligidimate at a, and a windowless ballroom, okay, clearly the media does not know how to deal with this guy. The idea I like is newspapers and cable news companies all do the following. Instead of having four or five stories in an narrative about what he's done and interviewing people about how ridiculous it is, I think I think they should have a two minute segment and one page on the

back page that are the following. This is what Trump said today. And just really quickly outlined it today. He accused me with the shout. He said this about this person. He said these, these people are animals. He said the shell thing, and just to it really quickly, this is what Trump said today. And sequester it, and you

or I'm sorry, 18 of the 24 minutes, whatever the the actual content load is on TV is different stories that involve him. I agree. And he is like, he is like a Star Wars character or a villain, a Marvel Comics character. He gains power from

“conflict and from controversy. And what I'm saying is, what I think they should”

just, I think they should do the news, and they should just take everything Trump and go, he said this, this, this, this, this and this today. We'll see it tomorrow night. That's it. Yeah, they make segments about it. Yeah, they do. We got to like, as Jennifer Welch calls him Kang. Ring fence. Ring fence. And be like, I was, I was, I was, you know what I did? When I was coming back from

San Francisco, I walked in a store, and I bought an actual book. And I was like, that's enough. I was like, I'm going to read a book, not read, not like participate in the social media around him. I mean, it's sometimes it's fun. And I really have to say Jimmy Kimmel's actually doing a great job about he said he's

finally brought Melania and Trump together. He's using it as content, which he should

do. Um, but in a lot of ways, just laughing at this poor obese old man is, I

“think the way to go here, mock him relentlessly. It's not ignoring it because I”

think that's a mistake. There's a lot of people telling me I'm just not reading it at all, which could come off as, I'm not engaged. You know, I'm page three of the sun that used to have a naked hot woman, page three of every newspaper. This is the shit Trump. This is what Trump said today. Just listed all two minutes, every night, national news, cover the news, try not talk about what's going on

around, dotted up and then last minute, this is what Trump said today. And there's go through it all because he, he is totally dominating the news cycle. He gets energy from conflict. People see it as authentic and, and leadership. And he, so I, I'm like, I just get it. There's so many idiot characters like that's smug piece, and that smug deflection of Pete Higgs, that's his smurkey. Like

literally that's more than his like hearings. It's he's so smurkey and stupid. It's really kind of like, I don't like these characters anymore. Representative Malton was good. No, he's great. There was some, there was some really good Jason Crowe. I'm actually, I feel, but I'm actually consistently impressed with some of our elected representatives. Oh, I meant to tell you before I forgot, I

went and did something you would love. Have you heard of Neko or Nico, any KO, Neko? No. It's this advanced preventive health care concept from those founders to Spotify. So I just want to disclose, I got no compensation for this. So this is not, it's going to sound like an ad. Okay. You go into this place. And

they basically take your blood, put all sorts of cops on you for blood pressure

and measurement. They have all these lasers and scans. And then they take, you go into

“this tube and they take 2,400 pictures of you. But here's the thing. It's amazing.”

And then they do it all immediately and give you, put you in a room with a doctor and they go through everything visually and a very user friendly. It feels like something out of the movie, Gatica. And I thought, okay, how am I? I said, I need to pay because I don't want to be seen as, I don't like the old influencer thing. I'm like, I need to pay. I have the money. Do you know how much it was?

It was 300 pounds. Oh. I thought it was going to be 3000 pounds. Oh, wow. Interesting. And you get a baseline of all your good cholesterol, your bad cholesterol, your circulatory health, everything about it did change my behavior. I, you know, I have one of these ridiculously expensive concealers things. This thing, and there was a line out the door to get into this. It's a great, this is what they do in Korea for everybody. Everybody gets

and I thought once a year. And it's the guys from Spotify. And there, I'm such a huge, they're trying to democratize advanced preventive medicine. It's called neto. That's great. I like that. And you get, and you get a baseline. And I, I mean, if it's that inexpensive. They did

this thing with 2400 pictures of, you know, basically, your naked to look at, I'm very fair.

And I'm prone to skin cancers. And they said, all right, you have 2,200 marks. All of them are fine, except for these 12. Oh, wow. 300 pounds. Anyways, I was blown away. We should have filmed it this thing. And also, you know, and I was covered by watching your show and going to neco. I, I tried to run once or twice a week. And I was, I was a, I wrote, crew, and one time I was in very good cardiovascular health. I pushed myself running. That's just the way I run. And I time

myself and I try and lower my time. So I wrote 100%. I had, I just figured that out. They're like, no, what's it called zone two or level two, where you supposedly can have a conversation, but you can't sing. So I last night, I ran slowly jogged for 40 minutes. And that's supposed to be the way to do it. But anyways, and unfortunately, unfortunately, they say the same fucking thing to me. I'm like, how do my change? My diet and, and Dr. Primalan, I just said, I use your name. She said the same thing.

last. Yes, I think you may want to do that. I think you may want to do that. I think you may

“may want to consider drinking a lot. I feel like I'm affecting you. This is so great. By the way,”

this week's episodes about loneliness and a connection, you'll like it. Did you see the data on marriage? No. Men who are married and women who are married are less likely to get advanced age cancer. Having someone else in your life nagging you, feeding you well, checking in on you,

giving you a reason to live. It's the ultimate chemotherapy. I would have never gotten a

colonoscopy if I hadn't been nagged about it. It wasn't something I was excited about. Does that me who nagged you? Or Katie Kerek, one of us, or your wife? No, it was, it was my girlfriend at the time. But anyways, had one recently. Can you please go ahead? I get them every, I get them every, I'll invite them if you've seen rectal cancers or skyracting among young people. Okay. It's a past of the time. Anyways, we're moving on. No, it's a joke. I wasn't going anywhere. I saw you

“seized up. Okay. It's just like rectal cancer and we're out. Okay. Because you're going to tell”

her, I want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. You say read a book. I say go have a beer with a friend. It's where it's a beer. I agree. Anyway, it's like six beers God. That's the issue. All right, now we've got to get to a rundown of late as big tech earnings are all over. All of these came out at once and it was called day of reckoning. First up, alphabet, the company reported a 22% surge.

In first quarter, revenue with sales reached around 110 billion. What a number.

Nending cum was up 81% compared to the same period year ago. Shears for alphabet are up 15% year to date at the time of this taping. Microsoft, the company beat expectations with revenues increasing 18% year over year for the quarter. Capital spending for the company will reach 190 billion, though. This year is 61% increase over 2025 Amazon beat expectations expanding revenue

“and it's cloud computing segment by 28% year over year. The company announced it expects to spend”

200 billion on AI in 2026 and finally met a reported lower than expected capex missed on user growth, which is interesting. This is the first time, which attributed in part to internet disruptions and Iran, they're blaming Iran. I don't think so. Daily active people was down over 5% over the fourth quarter. In better news, revenue climbed 33% from year earlier, making it the fastest growing quarters since 2021. So what jumps out at you about these four companies, besides they're

enormous spending on AI obviously? You say this is the attention economy. It's now the Academy of Economy where it's dissociated from everything else, but AI. And I said yesterday, I'm profiting markets that I thought these guys were going to blow away their expectations because what did they monetize? They monetize spending around AI and up until today or until AI came on date, the driver was they monetized attention. With everything that's going on in the world,

are you less or more glued to your phone? I can't stop looking at my fucking phone. Like, okay, who did we bomb today? So let's just go through the earnings, which were nothing short of staggering.

Alphabet's revenues were up 22% to 110 billion. They'd be consensus. Their consensus was five

dollars. There was 263. They came in at 5/11. Although some of that was an unnatural equity gain. Google Cloud hit 20 billion up 63% with their backlog doubling, search revenue to 460 billion. Jesus Christ, they're backlogs of half a trillion dollars. Search revenue, which was supposedly going away because of open AI, was up 19%. And Gemini paid monthly active users is up 40% quarter on quarter. Gemini is really doing well, I would say.

Full-year cap X guidance went up. The investors don't like that because as long as they're top-line as everyone's saying we need to spend more money, their stock was up 8% and after hours. Let's talk about Microsoft Azure grew faster than anyone expected, but they had to boost their cap X guidance, which investors don't like. Revenue up 18% to 83 billion dollars. They also be consensus wildly. Azure grew 40%. The AI business crossed 37 billion annual run, right? That's

up 123% year on year. Their commercial backlog is up to two thirds of it truly in 627. They're Q and Cap X, with 32 billion, but it's been raised. They're full-year cap X. They've raised 190 billion. Well above 155, they'd expected. Open AI committed an additional quarter of a trillion dollars in Azure spend the day before the print, but the stock was down 2% meta. Jesus. Jesus Christ, Kara, meta revenue was up 33% to 56 billion dollars. There's a lot of $10.44. Although a bunch of

it was a tax benefit, add impressions were up 19% and their average price per add was up 12%. Q2 revenue

like. They raise 235 billion from 120, and then also higher component prices. And the stock fell 9%

after hours. Last one, Amazon. Fast to growth in 15 quarters, but free cash flow of collapse because of their cap X. Again, what the analysts love, they're blowing away their top line, what the analysts hate is they're all saying we need to spend more money. Revenue was up 17% EPS blew away, but a lot of that was because of recognition of a gain in anthropic stock that from their investment there. AWS hit 38 billion up 28% advertising group 24% Q1 cap X again with

the analysts don't like cap X 44 billion full-year at 200 billion free cash flow fell. See above their increase in their cap X. Open AI recently committed to consume two gigawatts of training capacity through AWS. So all of a sudden they're getting into the chip game and stock rose the stock rose 3% after. I give me an overall. What is the say to you? Oh my gosh. AI. Oh my gosh. You need the world. Yeah. It is living up to exact expectations,

but the cap X required to live up to those expectations to deliver against the demand is sucking is basically like taking all the juice out of the earnings. The cap X requirement to live up to the demand, the infrastructure building. So when does that stop? It's sort of like having a hot spouse that requires a lot of money for you to stay. Yeah. Trust me. I know that feeling. What does it require? What does it require for that to know? That's what I would say to myself,

“must work harder. Well they're doing that. That's what we're doing there. What does it require?”

When is this then going to stop? Well when a big customer announces their reducing their spend IAI or one of these companies announces. Open AI basically said that they kind of shit the bad that their numbers didn't meet expectations. But the bigger guys these players are all just on fire. I don't see it slowing down. Yeah. Can I note the open adding? You just reference their internal concerns about the company spending plans and it's user revenue target.

It's going to the Wall Street Journal. Open I missed internal goal of reaching one billion,

weekly active chat GPT users by the end of 2025 has seen subscriber defections. I think that's all due to you. The company is also denying there's a rift between Sam Altman and CFO Sarah for our over-computing resources. And they're of course approaching their IPO. Although they'll get to their trial next. This trial with Elon, which is also another distraction. But they're seeing

“a lot of bumps as they go into it. So is there a like a reckoning moment? Or how do you look at it?”

Just one big customer or-- So now by the way, I started on my next book, that's an event at the reckoning. Oh, the reckoning. Oh, didn't I see the word wrecking? I feel like I inspired that. You liked when I said reckoning last week, but I was talking about the media. I'm sure it will limit us if the book works, if it's the best seller, it was your idea. Okay. I think there's a reckoning coming in America and I think there's a reckoning coming in the markets. But keep in mind

that this AI is now sucking so much oxygen out of the room. I sit in a lot of VC pitches. If you're not an AI company, you can't raise money right now. I mean, it is very difficult. And by the way, I'm on the board of an AI company that's growing 4x here. And that's not enough. And last year, growing 10x here is an AI company that's purely software. This company called Rogo that is it's a great, great little company that is basically AI for financial institutions. They're just

“close to around $2 billion. Right. No, it's not. On, I think it's trading at 100 times revenues or”

something insane. And they're going to get, they raise $100 million. You literally, if you are not an AI right now and growing, you know, 5, 7, 10x here, you can't raise money. And this is, it is a, in my opinion, it's a, it's a kind of, all of the GDP growth is coming from the capex in AI. All of the earnings growth, 77% of the earnings growth is coming from the mag 10. We are becoming, and we've said this before, America is a giant bet on AI. And people are, people are wondering and breakfast with a

big tech CEO today. They kept people are really, how is the S&P hitting all time highs with such

geopolitical uncertainty and oil at 110 bucks a barrel? And the reality is, America is now a giant

bet on AI. And I, in a weird way, the, the Warren Iran kind of helps these guys. First up, none of these guys are affected by. No, the terrorists or any of Trump's, they were all the way out last week with, this week with King Charles, every one of them was there again, by the way. And then, by the way,

consumers, but Chevron and Halibur are making a shit on the money, right? Yeah, so it's oil,

that moguls and tech moguls. We're a net, that's right. We're a net exporter. And there's a very unhealthy thing, and I'm writing a thing called the ketamine economy. And that is, kind of like, ketamine supposedly is the power to dissociate. And you can see your issues and your addictions and your problems and forgive yourself and have a better handle on stuff and people say

“it's a world breakthrough. The, the most dangerous thing I think about the world we live in in America”

right now is that if you live in America and you're in the point one percent, you are not invested in the well-being of America. Why do you care about infrastructure? You don't care about TSA. You don't care about our reports. You don't care about, you, you have, you go to Teterbro and you're flying your

own plant. Do you care about the fact that 40% of third graders can't read? No, you have your own

private schools where they spend $75,000 per student. Do you care about policing and safety? No, you live in a dormant building in a neighborhood that is so overpoliced and has so many cameras. You're just fine. Do you care about the health of America? No, you have comes to your magical services that give you everything you need. The wealth, the people who control our government or have a disproportionate influence have totally dissociated, dissociated from America's interests.

And even more frightening is that America, you could argue, has dissociated from the global interests. Do we care about high-old prices? Not really. Do we care about HIV infections in

Zambia? Not really. We have two oceans protecting us from chaos and the shares.

You could argue, eventually it hits our shores, but right now the markets? No, in terms of markets, the rich people. I get it. It's a pier don't care economy. Do you know the book pier don't doesn't care? I don't care. It's a wonderful children's thing where he eventually gets eaten

“by a line because he doesn't care. He always says, "I don't care." But that's what their life.”

It's a pier don't care group of people. We have to figure out economic policies that give the wealthiest people in our nation of Western interests in the success of America again. You know who cares? The people. I'm telling you, there's an anger. You can feel it. It's palpable that they do not hear. They have gone from -- they have literally gone from heroes to villains. Let me say, "I get it everywhere I go everywhere." It's not -- it's the people working class. It's

everybody who's not like them and it is angry. It is deeply and profoundly angry. Even more so than a Trump, it's all figured in. He's a terrible person or if they don't like him. Even the -- there was just a really interesting story about all the people that voted for him or like, we're very disappointed. We now regret our vote. What you're sort of like. Fine, whatever. But there's a growing anger that I think they do not understand of them being villains and they're behaving like villains.

We have to move on, but we'll see where this goes because if everything only ones that benefit and all the other companies don't, there isn't, as you say, a reckoning. It's a great word. It actually is from the middle English. I'll just read this to you from narration, account, settling accounts. And it's about the act of calculating estimating or settling accounts often carrying a connotation of judgment, retribution, or facing consequences. It's the act of

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He accused OpenAI's lawyer of trying to trick him. When asked why he brought the suit, Elon said it's not okay to steal a charity. Morning, if he loses it, it would give licensed deluding every charity in America. By the way, Elon is not charitable at all in any way. FYI, the judge pushed back, reminding jurors that Elon's claims and his opinions have no legal value, whatsoever. As I predicted, a number of prospective jurors had thoughts about Elon with some

calling him a greedy racist, homophobic piece of garbage, and a world-class jerk in questionnaires.

“I think this has not been good for Elon, one of the things that Ellie said when he gave us that”

video last week was that they're not used to being challenged publicly, and he is losing his brain on, he's looks terrible, and he needs to control himself, which he's making up Academy. He cannot.

He has no ability to do so. I'm going to be fair to him. He was the first person who did talk about

this Terminator outcome, 15 years ago to me, or something, maybe 10. He was the first person to be very worried about it. He shifted, becoming less worried, over the various interviews. The first it was Terminator than your house cat, and then we were like ants that are just going to get covered by a highway, which isn't mean or anything. But one of the things I would say is he started off that way, and then he immediately lost his mind because he tipped out of open AI because he thought they

couldn't make it, and these emails talk about that. And he signed away his rights. He did give them

“38 million, not a hundred, as he's claimed another deposition, so he keeps changing the number,”

which isn't good when you're under oath. But one of the things that is very clear here is that he's shifted to being a greedy hypocrite, and started his own company that includes non-consensual sexual images and job pornography. So it's not like he's here to save us, and he's trying to put himself off as someone who's worried about AI, and is fully participating in the damage it does. So what I have heard, how this went down, and very like broadbrush actions that kind of give

a sense of what went down here and tell me if you've heard different, is that Sam actually tried to

raise $500 million when it was a non-profit for the non-profit, and was unable to do that.

Elon showed up and said, "This needs to be a for-profit company, and I need to control it in own 80% of it." After he had given it on, yes, that's exactly what happened. And the people there said, "No, we're not up for the for-profit Elon controls part of the game." So he said, "Prayon, he does that on every company." But go ahead. So he said, "I'm out, and he signed paperwork." Yep. This is literally the biggest example of sellers regret in history. And then the other

fact pattern here about his clinical trying to pretend he's more noble than he is, and he's really worried about AI. Who went on to develop an LLM? The most experts would say has the

prediction, I don't think open AI. I said last week I thought they were going to settle. I don't think

“open AI wants to settle. I think they're out of two. I think Elon's either going to drop the case”

or lose. Well, it's a jury trial, and then the judge decides on the referee, whatever the remedies are. But if they're found, if opening AI is found, not guilty, or that there's then it's over.

Oh, he could, I bet he could appeal. He can always appeal. He's got so much money.

I mean, Trump's going to appeal the E.G. and Carol thing to the Supreme Court now that he's lost in the appeals court. The 80. He's not going to want to keep bringing that up. Well, he doesn't agree that he's 3 million. He doesn't want to pay that. He'll have to pay that if the Supreme Court doesn't bring the money down, presumably. He wants to get it to 10 million. He's got to have to pay or something. Anyways, back to the opening, I case. Everything I've seen fits this narrative

that Elon once the thing became commercially viable, he wanted it to flip to for profit,

“and he wanted to own it all, and that he legally gave up his ownership and his governance”

right. Yeah. Well, one of the things he was concerned, he was absolutely, and one of the interesting

things, I love them being under oath, because now I finally hear the things I thought were true,

like that Larry Page, and he got into an argument, because he was a doom doomer for sure back then, and Larry Page called him a speciesist for being concerned, be overly, overly negative, which I'm like, yeah, we like the human species, just sorry. You know, these people, these people, I can't tell you, I'm so pleased for people to see them as they are, right? You know, when someone said greedy, racist, dumb of a piece of garbage, I'm like, you see what I'm saying,

like he jerks. Don't care about people. This whole thing is fantastic, because they're under oath, and they have to show themselves, and they also have to show how they're trying to present themselves, like Elon is the savior of the world when he is decimated. He's responsible for the millions of these deaths that are going to happen because of USAID. He's responsible for all manner of stuff that he's been doing on Twitter, and he wants to present himself as it is like Thanos

in the Marvel movie. Remember how he was trying to present himself as a good person? Thanos has an idea of himself as a hero when he's the villain, because he's helping the human race, and he talks about it. To me, this defines Messiah complex full style. Yeah. He's the guy to to colon it, to turn it into an interplanetary species, only him. He's the one that should control AI. He's just, and it's, I'm literally, I'm Jesus Christ. Yeah, I would agree. I don't know.

I don't think it's good for him, and I don't think him getting added. This lawyer actually worked for him at one point, and then worked against him. So he's familiar with this firm, and he's just losing it on the stand, which is just what he should not do. He should be as calm as the cucumber and he can't be, and it'll be interesting that contrast with any Sam will be smooth as silk.

“I think he's not going to be online online. He's kind of sad over on Twitter, sad Sam,”

and Elon's crazy Elon and by the way, an increase in white supremacists post, too. But Sam has got to hold it together during, and so does Greg Brockman, and so does Satsha, which will help but anchor open AI quite a bit, as you said. You know what I thought about doing? It's got, I thought about going down to the courtroom, and I was in San Francisco, because I had some free time and just sitting and waving at him. Just get him even more, riled up. Like, "Hey, girl!"

Does he show up? Does he gotta go? No, he's in court. They're all in court. They're all there. It's, that they have to go, I guess, because I thought about going and just waving and all of them going, "Hey, girls! What up! Let's kick me, can we all get long?" That kind of stuff. But then I didn't, I thought, like, hang out with Lily. Okay, Scott, let's go on a quick break when we come back, Taylor Swift fights back against AI.

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imagine what your dreams can become when you put imagination to work at kenda.com. Scott, we're back. Taylor Swift has filed a new trademark application for two voice clips in one image that are likely an effort to protect your voice and image from AI misuse. This is something a lot of celebrities are doing, but she's probably the biggest one. The voice clips are sound trademarks covering Swiss voice with clips of her saying, hey, it's Taylor Swift and hey,

it's Taylor. Registering a celebrity, spoken voice has now been tested in court. Matthew McConaughey has also trademarked his use of his images and voice in January. It's an interesting strategy. And she did an early interesting interview with Joe Kossarale, who I love at the New York Times, called the 30 greatest living American songwriters. Really wonderful story. It does a range of people and it's really terrific. Let's listen to what she had to say. If there's any way we can

make confessional songwriting a little bit more of something that isn't like people take that as

“sort of like you were being messy or whatever, you have to be fair to everyone then are like”

a rap beef's messy or are they confessional? Like we've got to just like let's make it a music conversation rather than just like hanging up on the female artists. And I think the more male artists that are messy or emotionally complex or confessional or upset the happier I am. She likes confessional songwriting Scott. And then thirdly, this universal deal is going to trigger something in her contract that's going to force universal to pay out all its artists even

if they gave them advances. If it sells, she put it in to protect herself but it also, the way she wrote it, everybody who is at universal will have to be paid out. So she's getting enormous payouts for all the artists in this possible deal for universal which I think will endure her to many artists. What do you think here about any of this? I know you don't like her but she's a tremendous business

person. I never said. I don't like her. That's not fair to say I don't like her. Okay,

not from music, excuse me. Yeah, so I'm a fan of airing on the side of protections around people's IP and essentially Google coming in and crawling every media company, people using

“people's likeness their voice. I believe Jensen Hawks said it, everyone should own their digital”

twin and that's not only the physical rendering but also your voice, your likeness. People's been a lot of time in energy trying to develop IP that they own, that they can decide to give to their airs or sell their catalog or their likeness or their image and they should own it. And so I'm a fan of these cases and the fact that she's doing it on behalf of other artists is really wonderful and she's very high profile and people have enormous affection for her so she has, she's immediately

going to get public support for whatever she does. So I'm a fan of this. I'm going to found of how she's handling it and we need these companies, I think you said it or your partner while Mossberg said it, these guys are pick pockets and just just going in. The patience information thieves as well. Yeah, so and now they're sealing likeness. I don't, I think the solution here, again they'll come up with the illusion of complexity and that is they can calibrate how close they

get to the voice to her voice without it triggering an IP but I think it's pretty simple. I think so much to be representing authors and artists and past celebrities and they or their airs or their

AI crawlet. Every time an AI takes a sentence from your book or lets someone speak in your voice,

you are entitled to X percent. Music artists have been doing this a long time when you... But what do they do? Let me ask you, let me get to plumb that. When I end them out was on stage with me this week, she talked about how she got the AI to write something in her voice and she said it was actually better but it wasn't her but they had crawled so much of her stuff. So are they making her or a very affectionately of her and what happened to your Google thing that you did? It was a Google

“when they did the Scott Gallery teacher? What happened? You never said what actually happened?”

You took it down, right? Yeah I started working on it a year ago. I think so I was getting a lot of

emails from people and young men and mothers asking for advice and I couldn't keep up with it.

So I said upload and they a former student of mine who's a Google product manager came and said we have something called portraits. We're doing it with a bunch of doctors. We're doing it with a bunch of historians. We upload everything you've ever done and someone can come to an avatar and ask questions and it'll give something resembling a reasonable fact suddenly the answer you would give. And I said that sounds great and I started working on it about a year and a half ago to come

about six or nine months and I tested it and it actually did. If it said should I get an MBA or not, it asked good questions and gave it a reasonable answer. And then you actually

fucked it up for me. You did that interview with those parents of the kid who had committed suicide.

Oh I made your effort. And I thought okay, am I going to be part of the problem here where I inadvertently sequester young men from asking their parents for advice, finding real people, finding mentors, finding friends and it came out the day came out. I started testing it and I just felt really uneasy with my coughing. So in my coughing, I fucked it up. I showed you a better way to live. You illuminated me. You illuminated. You saved me from myself again. I'm trying to work on our words

with Kara. Okay. Okay. All right, go ahead. Better words. Better words. And then I called to Google Square that I called them and I said I got to be honest. I just feel really uncomfortable with this. I want I can see how it might be helpful but I can also see how some young man doesn't ask a friend or his dad for advice. And instead says we'll off to you said this. And it's just, anyways, so they took it down. And by the way, I think it's gone. It's fine to

net it to the town. We'll see. Except when I go, my understanding is going down. It's in some fall. The mummy. Okay, go ahead. But you can say in the voice of Kara Swisher, please write this thing. And my view is they should be able to do that. But only if you have a greed to have your stuff crawled. And the more people who ask, say this in the voice of Kara Swisher,

“you should get a royalty check. Yeah. Similar to the way artists do it, music artists do it.”

When you listened to Kara Q, rock of the 80s, in the 80s, and there were constantly playing B 52 song, songs at the end of the year, they would send a check to Warner Brothers and the B 52s would get a check. Yeah, I don't, this has been done before. It is interesting, because I did that Simpson's thing. And I got an enormous check the other day. And I'm like, they can do it. Nice, the Hollywood socks, right? Like it's astonishing. And it goes way back when I was with the Google twins,

where they were stealing books and were, Kara, what is the difference if we take their books? I was like you shock and shop lifter and, or they take television, their mentality is to take it from you. Which is interesting. So I'm glad someone liked Taylor Swift is really pushing back. It'll be interesting to see if it could apply to all of us, because I think it will benefit. Because you, you are easily, this would work really well. If someone just didn't work with you to do it,

but just did it. Um, so I don't know, I did an upcoming episode of my show. I make one of these.

“And it's really frightening. And I don't want you to see one of these. What is it?”

I made the carotaur. I'm going to give it to you for Christmas. I made a digital 3D version in a box of me. And it looks like me sitting in a chair, like 3D version. And it speaks. It talks like me. It's, it's me. And it's not, it's not, it's like a facsimile. This is not quite me, but it is. And I'm sending it to you for Christmas the whole box. It's great. It's going to be... Again, I like, I like the idea of this as long as you sign up for it, because you might decide,

have at it. Or after, if you're like me and you think, once you're gone, it doesn't, I would like my errors to get a check, because people say, in the voice of Scott Cali, write about income inequality. Whatever it is, right? So, and I think a lot of artists and a lot of

Well, we'll see, but you're getting that for Christmas the carotaur. It's great. We'll have it forever.

“And it will add to things, right up until my, fine, and my dying breath. Anyway,”

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is proud. It's tracking to be like a $200 million movie. It's first week. I think a lot of these

movies, whether it's a project Hail Mary, this movie. There's a lot of love for movies that are just well-made by Hollywood and good and fresh that feel fresh. I think people are waiting for human stories. So I think these movies are killing it at the box office because people and they're actually watching it in theaters too. They're not just waiting till it goes to digital. They like the community experience of it. And so it's a really interesting thing that a lot of

these are hitting that are very human-centered. And I like that. I like that. Yeah, I'll see it. So your win is the devil or his product? No, the idea that these movies are going to dumb. Just after Hail Mary, it's that product has the same feeling of Hail Mary. It feels like real people made it. It's like when you eat a meal that's sort of fake and then you eat a meal that's homemade, it feels like real people made it who had thought about it, who care about standards and

quality. And it didn't feel like AI made it. I don't know what else to say. Well, the rumors of creativity's death at the hands of AI were greatly exaggerated. So there was a moment about 24 months ago, where I've been thought, all music is going to be generated by AI that you'll just give it a good prompt and it'll come up with new songs that are better than Kanye's. And that just didn't happen. The muscle between your brain, the creativity of a young brain, the creativity,

that that still has tremendous modes around it. And even in design, look at sorrow being shut down. And the graphics you get back, the design you get back, the percentage of people in design working at tech firms is actually gone up as the percentage of their employment base, artists, you know, no AI, no AI is going on tour right now, but as far as I know. They're not going to

“tailor Swift the situation they certainly are. Well, I think you're being a little bit nostalgic,”

as I think the devil wears Prada and Hail Mary are great movies, and we'll do well at the box office, but box office is still down 30% post COVID. Content, original content that breaks through, we'll find a way to monetize and be successful. But this collective nostalgia for the movie theater. Oh, I pick, I pick it's going bankrupt where I live in Florida. No, I get it. I'm not talking with the movie theater. I'm talking about freshness in. Fresh creative. Fresh creative. And I'm

saying it does, actually, these movies are showing big pickup in movie theaters. I don't

in theaters. That's what I'm saying. Not all of this. Well, it used to be, it used to be that

all of that type of long-form content ran snake through a theater, and we went to the movies. I remember, I mean, I don't know about you. When I was a kid, I used to go to the movies two or three times a week. Yeah, at least once a week, yeah. Yeah, it was just what you did. It's what you did on a date. It's what I did with my mom. It's just what you did to one side. I lived in Westwood and I had the best theaters in the world, but I got it. I just tried to think

the last time I took my kids to a movie. Anyways, I'm glad you liked it. So my prediction is

“much more boring. So I think, so Intel is up fourfold, and I think it's up fivefold. It's”

quintupled over the last year. And I think it's about, my prediction is it's going to shift the bed, because Amazon is now dragging about it, as you noted. Yeah, and I think it's, I think it's a great shore right now. Amazon now sells both GPUs, what Nvidia does, and CPUs, what Intel specializes in. And Amazon's chip revenue is growing 150% every three months.

If you were a standalone business, it would be generating 50 billion in annual recurring revenue.

That's more than AMD, and about as much as Intel. And open AI and Anthropics use Amazon's chip for their AI. So Amazon, interesting. That's interesting. Well, it's weird. I think it's, I think, quite frankly, I think Nvidia has its own, has much stronger modes. The vulnerable company here is the one that's the latest meme stock. And that's Intel. Met and Anthropics have signed DLCs, Google Chips, called TPUs, TPUs, or two times cheaper than Nvidia's TPUs. And Intel

“looks just dramatically overvalued. And I think we'll be the victim of this increased competition.”

The stock, again, up fivefold, get this Intel. Now has the highest four PE of any large chip chip stock trading at 108 times forward earnings. Oh my god, such a loser company. Why? AMD at 50 Amazon at 32, Nvidia at 26. And at the same time, its business is expected to grow slower than peers. Anyways, the most overvalued stock right now. Why is it named? What is the meme explained the meme for the people? Well, Intel was beaten down. Now it has a great story. Now it has

the backing of a guy who's willing to use the full-faithing credit of the government. The chip, everyone thinks that the chips are the bottleneck in the AI boom. It's not actually, it's actually power and the stock's up fivefold. And now, again, see above, it's trading at a forward earnings of 118 and it's growing slower than everybody else. And Amazon and Google are coming for their launch. So anyways, my prediction is you're going to see this thing is going to look like a giant hill.

It's going to, that's a good idea. It's over. And Intel is going to be one of the worst performing stocks in the tech sector over the next six to 12 months. Trump's going to be mad at you. He's going to go after you instead of jazz. That's good. Yeah. Well, Intel has the look of an expectant widow. That's really funny. Amazon is doing it is interesting. Although I have to say, I've given the heinous of the week award by the leaking that they're going to make the

apprentice again with Dawn Jr. Oh, God, did you see that? I know. There's such suckups in Jeff with the King Charles thing. Let me just say, you don't have enough. There's not enough budget

“for a cocaine budget for that. Oh, that should have been our win. King Charles, how good was he?”

We didn't do win, but go ahead, go quickly. Do a win. King Charles was fucking fantastic. I have to say, no one can thread the needle around a thoughtful and intelligent stabbing heart like the British. Yeah. And when the King delivers it, you know, I just loved, I loved the King saying, you have often stated that without us, we would speak in German and just like to remind you that without us, you'd be speaking French. Yeah. He is, he is so good. He, whoever wrote his speech,

he delivered it perfectly. He actually studied drama and college. I just think I was so happy because I do think he, he stated what we need to know. And that is the alliance between Britain and the US. I would like to think it's unshakable. Also, the King has been sick. It's a

really nice moment for him. He is always he did a good job. He did his Kingly duty. I like the monarchy

and I always got the sense that he's a really decent man. And so I just loved seeing kind of his time in the sun and just how good he was. I thought that was wonderful. He did good. And the thing is Trump doesn't insult him because he loves the monarchy. So he insulted Trump and he's the only one who

understood. Honestly, they just wanted to meet the King, all these people. Anyway, and those

“tech people suck it up to the fucking King was just like, oh my, you guys, you are bigger than”

Britain. And you could get a meeting with him anytime. Good money to his climate change thing anyway. I love that the Republicans even cheered for climate change helped with climate change because that's his big, that's Prince King Charles. I can call him Prince Charles because he was Prince for so long, but very nice. I love that Scott. Anyway, we want to hear from you, send us your questions about

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We're called 85551 Pivot. Elsewhere in the Karen Scott universe this week, this week on Prophecy Conversations Scott spoke with Ian Bremer about how the Iran more fracturing alliances and rising global tensions are reshaping the world order with no clear winners. Let's listen to a clip. Whether it's Epstein or whether it's Iran or whether it's the economy or whether it's it's extraordinary corruption. Trump has gone against all of the things that God him elected.

And I certainly think, okay, there are some maga supporters that act like it's a cult and they'll support him literally no matter what he does. But that's not even all maga supporters. Not at all.

This is not a, these people are not brainwashed automotons. They're not idiots. They ultimately see

when their leader is screwing them. And it matters to them. And some of those people, they may not

“vote for Dems, but they'll stay home. Interesting. He's absolutely right. That's what has”

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