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It was my very first time in Europe.
Oh, it was beautiful, I think. At a while, at least first stop was Spain. He was there during the week, Monday, Tuesday, and everyone's outside. No eating, catching a coffee, playing, just having fun, doing things, just flying kites, and like adults, like adults, yeah, like adults, okay.
I legit saw someone who was like 50 years old, who was just like playing outside.
“I think they were playing Frisbee, and it was just like, wow, that's just very, very nice.”
Working age adults. Working age adults outside during the workday, during work hours. At a while, he is just noticing this, taking it in. And he's with the buddy, they're at lunch early into the trip. So we're having paella, and my friend was like, looking around.
He was just like, bro, what do people do here for living? His friend was thinking the same thing that Adawali was thinking, which was, why does it seem like so many locals are not at work? And like we're asking around, just like, hey, like what do you do for work? And there's we got all of these different responses.
Where, you know, someone's a seamstress, and someone's works at like an interior, designed to you.
And Adawali knew that this entire continent basically has a different relationship with work
than the US does, especially in the summer. Businesses are just completely closed. Adawali is a labor economics researcher at the Economic Policy Institute, but actually seeing the European attitude toward work in person felt different. And it made Adawali think of this report he worked on a few years back.
The name of the report is no vacationation. No vacationation. Very, very on on nose. In this report, Adawali looked at the 21 richest countries in the world, and he listed how many paid vacation days they all get, not because of the kindness of their employers, but how many paid vacation days,
every single person in these countries have to have to have to get by law. And he found that Japan, for example, gets 10 paid vacation days for everyone on top of 15 paid holidays. Australia, 20 paid vacation days, plus 8 paid holidays. Spain, 25 vacation days, paid plus 14 paid holidays.
We were talking 39 days off paid for everyone. Hairdressers, mechanics, doctors, bakers, daycare workers, train operators, every worker in these countries is guaranteed paid vacation. Actually, every worker in all of the richest countries in the world has to get paid vacation, except for workers in one rich country, the US.
In America, if I could have 31, 29 days of paid vacation,
“what would that look like for you, what would that look like for you as a worker?”
And as not just a rich country thing, Mexico, Afghanistan, Thailand, Tanzania, they all, at least in the formal jobs sector, guaranteed paid vacation from work. The US is the outlier, zero paid vacation days, and zero paid holidays. Oh, and the vacation that those of us in the US do get from our employers, we don't even take it all.
In 2018, US workers left 768 million days of earned vacation on the table literally,
four-fitted, about $65 billion worth of vacation benefits. What is wrong with us? Hello and welcome to Planet Money, I'm Sarah Gonzalez. Today on the show, why? And how did this happen? We have an episode from 2023 about how an entire continent basically and much of the world got all of this guaranteed paid vacation and the US missed out. We flush a lot of things down the toilet, you know, the obvious ones,
Drugs like cocaine are also going down the drain and into our waterways.
That's changing the animals that live in it.
“It's definitely present in most of the ecosystems on Earth now, unfortunately,”
throwing these sort of really starting to scratch the surface into a lot of standing, the potential consequences of that. Forget cocaine bear. Learn about cocaine salmon on shortwave in the MPR app or wherever you get your podcast. I've been thinking a lot about time and free time lately and a little personal vacation backstory. I recently had 200 hours of vacation that I had not used and could not roll over into the
next year. I was going to lose them. And one of my editors was like, "I can probably go to
about for you and get you to keep those vacation hours." Like, just this one time. And I said, "Nah, it's fine. I'll just lose them." Because I had just had a baby. I took maternity leave and I was like, "I can't just come back from leaving and then take a bunch of vacation. I would feel so guilty." But recently I've been like, "Hold on, 200 hours." That's a whole month off of work.
Pade that I left on the table. That is, that is so much free time when free time feels so scarce to me these days. And it's not just me, more than half of the people in this country who are lucky
“to get paid vacation don't use it all. And why? Why do we do this? Why do we not use our vacation?”
And why is vacation seen like a privilege here? Something you wait to accrue if you get it at all. Half of low wage workers in the US don't get any paid vacation. So I started calling economists and historians asking them, "Why?" And I kept hearing the same thing. Europeans just value leisure far more than Americans do. And I do not accept this response, because there has to be more to it. Why? Why do they, I mean, like, I value free time, I think.
Well, okay, why don't Americans prioritize the right to two vacations? There are a couple of things. Gary Cross is a historian who has written a book about free time. He's going to give us some
historical context on vacation here. And he says the US has never even gotten close to seriously
“trying for paid vacation as a rate. Of all the things the rights that people have pushed for,”
paid vacation has never been a part of that list. It's, it's never been. In Europe countries, did push for vacation in big, big ways. And they didn't ask their individual employers. They asked their federal governments in the 1920s and the 1930s. And they got it. They had been saying, like, "Why do just the aristocrats get leisure?" And this idea spread across Europe. That everybody should have some moments of some period of release from ordinary urban and modern
economic life. Gary says time off from work. Vacation was popular across many political parties and religious groups. And it was also used for some pretty awful things, too. The fascist party in Italy, the Nazis in Germany, Gary says they actually encouraged leisure also, even as they were preparing for war. It's kind of ironic that one of the tools to make your citizens into warriors was to give them a vacation. But that's one of the things that they did. You know, workers would
be sent to the lakes or to the sea shore. But they would, of course, develop loyalty to the regime. Yeah, it was loyalty through leisure. And Gary says this emphasis on downtime, on time off from work, did not just pop up out of nowhere. He thinks it stems from Europe's long tradition of festivals, like days long, folk festivals and customs in medieval times. Cardinal and Mardi Gras, mid-Summer celebrations, which were kind of like the early version of the
vacation. In the sense that they were multiple days where people stopped doing ordinary work. Yeah, it was multiple days of playing. And the US just didn't have this same kind of festival all work stops tradition. When Europeans came to the US to what is now new England, Gary says, it was largely Christians who rejected those kinds of festivals. Which brings us to a big commonly held belief that Americans just have this deeply ingrained work ethic that stems from
religion. We are talking about the Puritan or Protestant work ethic here, that it is godly to work
Ungodly to waste time.
I don't want to say that devil's workshop or, you know, there are various versions of that.
“But you don't have to believe in the devil to feel that when you're idle, you are somehow”
another wasting precious time. Yeah, Gary says, you don't necessarily have to believe in the Protestant doctrine to adopt this work ethic. He thinks it's evolved and changed. You could make the argument that the so-called Puritan work ethic is really the kind of capitalist work ethic. And Gary says, other societies don't really have the same kind of guilt for idleness that the US does. I mean, I'm like that, you know, frankly, I get a little anxious if I'm
just hanging around a beach for a week, you know, and I have German friends who don't aren't anxious at all. And, you know, where did I get it? I don't know. Yeah, but some economists really hate this Protestant Puritan work ethic argument. But look, yeah, the command now
“Protestant ethic, I get that all the time. And yet, this is Daniel Hammermesh. And yet,”
we're in the Protestant ethic originate in Switzerland, but the Calvinists, okay? And yet, the Swiss get a lot of public holidays. They get four or five weeks of paid vacation. So the ultimate Protestant ethic people are taking a lot of time off also. Daniel is a labor economist at the University of Texas at Austin, who also wrote a book about time. And for him, the Protestant work ethic argument doesn't fly because in 1979, the US worked about the same amount on average
as other rich countries, Canada, Australia, France. We all worked the same amount of hours per year. It's just after 1979, all of those rich countries sharply began cutting their hours, working less. But not the US. We are an absolute outlier in this regard. It's very depressing. Daniel feels
“very strongly about time and how we spend it. For him, this is the ultimate economic choice we”
make. Because in our lives, we combine time with money. Money and time go together and one of them
is always scarce for you. Do you work more for more money or work less for more time? This is the
model of the economic man theory, which basically says that the model person maximizes happiness or, you know, utility and that happiness comes from not just having money to spend, but also having time to spend that money. Now, Daniel has looked at data on how people spend every minute of their day. And he says, actually, people in the US and Europe work the same amount of hours every week. We all generally have a 40-ish hour work week. It's just the US works more weeks. And the only
only reason for this, he says, is because we take less vacation. If you do the math, Daniel says people in Europe work about an hour and a half less every day. So this, this 1.5 hour difference to me feel so small. A hour and a half a day out of 8, that's a huge amount in economic terms. It's the coming of one day off a week. Right. That's Friday. That would be like we got every Friday off. Every Friday off or every Monday. Okay. Yeah. That's a big difference. So, all right. Daniel,
who has looked at data on how people spend every minute of their day, he was going to be my ticket. He's got to have the answers for why the US relative to other countries started working more. I have no answer to that one. It's just factually did. So, wait. I mean, you, you are like a time-work guy, a time-work economist, and you don't have an answer for why we work so much. That's a weird deal. You have no complete level of non-answers. Non-answers. I'll take care. We're going to do a little
little process of elimination here, people. There are two fun non-answers. And the first has to do
with income taxes. Daniel says some right-leaning economists and macro economists believe that we in the US work more because our income tax is lower than some European countries. The argument is because Europe tends to have a higher income tax. People in Europe will go, like, "Hey, why am I going to show up for work so much? They're going to just tax me so much. Let me just work less. It doesn't make sense." That's the argument. Because our income tax is lower in the
United States. We go, like, "Ooh, I get to keep a little bit more money so it makes sense for me to keep showing up to work and not take time off." That is the argument. This is one of the oldest ideas in economics that if you get to keep more of your paycheck, there's more incentive to work. And you have to remember here that a lot of people in the US do not get paid vacation. So,
The incentives for them to work instead of taking time off are bigger.
premise. When you look at the data, Daniel says, "Getting to keep more of your paycheck
“does make you work more." But just a little bit more. It's quite small. And far too small,”
they're account for any difference between Europe and the US. So, that European-American difference because of taxes just does not consist in where the evidence on how people in individuals society behave. So, I'll erase that one. Although some macro and economists and conservative economists would say, "No, yes, that is still a reason." Yes, but the people of Coeth that are typically macro economists who really haven't looked at the evidence on some individuals. All right. So,
that is the fun conservative non-answer argument. The lefty argument is that Americans are consumerist society and rich corporate advertisers are exploiting the consumers, holding little carrots in front of our nose like a horse being urged to run, incentivizing us through these
“advertisements to want to work more and more to afford all these wonderful things we want to buy.”
A third car, a larger house, you name it. This argument is basically that people in the US
are programmed to work more because we want to make more money to buy more stuff because we are inundated with advertisements, bleak. And, you know, it's quite possible. But the empirical problem with that is there's just as much corporate control in Europe, there's just as much advertising. And I can't believe that Europeans are so much smarter than us that they don't get themselves get led by the nose, through IV's people. So, it's hard to see why with no difference in the
amount of advertising, no difference in our basic nature, why they should have this different outcome in terms of vacations from what we have. So, the fun, dark, lefty argument that we work more to buy
“more because of advertisers, Daniel says this one doesn't fly for him either. So, so far, we have”
no great answers. I'm like, at this point, desperate for an answer and I'm like, there has to be something that there has to be, we're not just like so inherently different as people. -No, we're not at all different as people. -We're not at all amazed. -I mean, again, I can refute certain things explaining it as I have. So, I can say no, but I can't say why yes, okay? -No, not, okay, Daniel. So, I just kept asking more economists and more labor
historians what really does explain why vacation has never been a big priority in the U.S. And
why we don't even take the vacation that we do get. And eventually, someone said, "Try this guy at MIT." And finally, I got a satisfying answer after the break. -This week on newsmakers, Dana White, the head of the UFC. -We're at a place where people can't have a talk anymore, and if they find out that I'm French with the president, I'm a mega-peasy. I mean, I'm talking to NPR right now, right? I talked to everybody.
-A dialogue with Dana White about politics, culture, and masculinity on NPR's newsmakers. Listen, or watch wherever you get your podcasts. So, yes, the U.S. has a reputation for being work-a-holics. We worry we won't be seeing as hard-working if we take a lot of time off, or that we'll miss out on career opportunities. And kind of, because this, the U.S. has this reputation that we value money more than time.
And Europeans have this reputation of valuing time and more leisure. But I mean, you know, like French people are not just born, valuing leisure, but we come out valuing money. That's not a thing. Something must have caused this, right? So, for a satisfying answer on this one, I went to Tom Cohen at MIT, who left a lake house during vacation to do this interview. So, you're a work-a-holic, also, like the rest of us. -Gilty is charged.
Tom, studies, work, and employment, and unions, and he says there was a time when unions helped workers get the things that they asked for in the 1930s. That's when we got the minimum wage and overtime in social security. But Tom says it was a very unique moment in history when workers had more power than businesses. But after that, Tom says businesses regained power again. And they started saying, "We don't want the federal government to mandate worker benefits,
We'll decide that.
and to be competitive in the labor market. But don't tell us how we should run our enterprise
“and how we should treat our workforce. -Tom says the 1930s was kind of our window,”
our chance to get something like guaranteed paid vacation. But Tom says back then, some unions actually kind of drew a line at vacation. -There's also a view among unions that look, we don't necessarily have to push for all of these things through legislation. Because then if we did, then people might say, "Well, why do I need a union?" -Oh, so this is like a known thing that unions, like if we ask for everything at the federal level, there would be no point in union.
-Absolutely. The AFL, American Federation of Labor in particular, was very strong on saying, "This is for the private sector. This is for what unions exist to do." -The plot thickens. We were sabotaged. No, but yeah, this is one of the interpretations for how things went down back then. And Tom says, "This is maybe why, in the end, we didn't get a bunch of benefits guaranteed by federal policy." -Vocation was just one example of this concern. -Well, we're some of the other
things outside of vacation. -Pencians, private pensions, health insurance. Those are the big three. -The big three. Pensions, health insurance, time off through vacations were left off the table.
Instead, we got collective bargaining rights, which basically say we can bargain and negotiate
with our individual employers for pension, health care, and vacation. And now, we should say that the US is also known for not passing these work benefits because of racism. A bunch of people in the US back then didn't want black people, for example, to get these benefits. So no one got them. But in Europe, everyone gets the big three. Vacation, pension, health care, as a right. Vacation started spreading in Europe in the 1920s and 30s, and health care came in waves in the 1940s,
70s and 80s. And maybe this is why European countries started cutting their hours after 1979, but not the US. Like, maybe Europeans were like, okay, we're getting all these benefits.
Plus, we're just generally getting richer. Maybe work is not so important anymore. But when you
“do have to pay for these things, like we do in the US, maybe that's why work is so important here.”
And so when you do have to negotiate for health insurance pension, asking for vacation kind of falls to the bottom of the list. Yeah, it's a much lower priority. I mean, this does seem like the best argument to me about why we differ. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yes, if given the option, workers are historically more interested in seeing their take-home pay increase than they are in getting another day or a week of vacation.
It makes so much more sense to me now. Like, we don't just value money more than other people. Maybe maybe we just need money to pay for health insurance or whatever. This feels good. This feels right to me. And even Daniel Hammermesh, who doesn't like any of the theories on this, he likes Tom's theory. I like that one. I hadn't heard it. It's probably wrong. But at least, I can't prove he's wrong. And that's pretty good compared to all the other explanations.
I'm going to tell him you said that, Daniel. No, I like it. Okay. He likes it. But really, Daniel says, we're looking for answers in the wrong place. He says, economics cannot answer this one. I can't stress enough as much as I love economics in the end. This is a political issue. Yeah, Daniel says this is really about political will and the political appetite. But he says, talking about vacation and questioning why the US is the only rich
country that doesn't guarantee it is valuable. Because it can put in people's heads the idea that maybe there is a different way. And the very fact of talking about it and getting it out there
“in the public, I think, should stimulate people to worry about that. That's the reason I'm talking”
to you today about this. Daniel says, talking about vacation can help change the culture. Like, maybe buses will start taking more vacation and encourage workers to take more, too. Like, if we're all taking vacation, maybe that will make us feel less guilty about it. Because, you know, working a lot and not taking vacation because that is what you want to do. That's fine. But a lot of people do not want to work as much as they do. And they would be happy to have any paid time off.
And even me, I mean, I do genuinely enjoy my work. I love being a reporter. I feel like I have
Worked so hard to get to this exact place and I love it.
years, like until I'm 70. And that's when I'm going to take big long vacations that that cannot be
“life is about. So the other day, because of this episode, I asked for a last minute two week vacation and leave in a week.”
Oh, and I do have an update. I went on that two week vacation and it was too much vacation. I actually
tried to leave early. I had a bunch of stuff to do at home, you know? If you like this story and
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Today's show was produced by Sam Yellow Horse Kessler. It was edited by Jess Jane, fact checked by Sierra Huittas, and engineered by Maggie Luthar. Alex Goldmark is our executive producer.
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