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Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. [Music] So I woke up this morning to a message from Danielle. Which was Instagram? Did you get this?

Yeah, she's not at home. She sent this Instagram, which is a guy doing an impression of the ensemble in a musical. Which is just him, like, clapping to do it. Like, it's funny. What's with you?

I'm really, I'm really nuts. You're saying one line.

And it's basically all theater kid energy.

She's Danielle's least favorite thing. She has the essence of theater kid energy distilled. So I'm laughing. I'm literally in bed. This is the first thing I do this morning.

I pulled this. And I'm laughing at that. I put the phone down. And my son burst into the room. Oh no, wrapped in a blanket like a cloak.

And just comes at me with theater kid energy. Yes. And what he's immediately riffing on. He's so excited to wake me up and riff on. We've got our new version of some friend you turned out to be Sebastian.

What's that in the road? There's a sushi restaurant that we've gone to. That's like a hand roll place. It's delicious. And it's called you know me.

Why oh and oh am I. Okay. So maybe it's pronounced. You know me. I don't know.

You know me. And we are now trying to just constantly come up with more riffs on different intonations and interpretations of these three syllables. Would you like to take a stab? Either one of you.

I already know mine. Because you forgot. And this was started by Yolanda Ome. So it's Y Y Ome is what it is. That's that's the name.

What? The Y is just an initial. What we're trying to do is just take the.

The existing syllables.

You know me. Right.

And that's different variations on how to so you could say.

You know my you know my. You know me. You know me. Me. Right.

You just keep going. You know me. You know me. Yes. That's a good one.

Nice. Nice. So and he's most brilliant one is. You know me. It's a good one.

That's a good one. Anyway, theater kid energy morning. Guys.

“Well, this is I don't know if you remember what I sent to everybody was I found Danielle's ultimate retreat.”

And I sent it. Oh, yeah. Which was the you can go to an adult theater camp. And so it's everybody like you saw all these people in there go 30s and 40s dead to you. We're all in this.

I would be so bad. And yet I'm a care so much. You will would think it's hysterical but commit and actually get the story and roll. And actually win the camp. Whatever that is.

If I'm not. You can't. You can't. I'm the end. Right.

And I would be like. Oh, my god. But come on. That would be a great little. You're not.

You're going to reform. I'm going to. I'm going to see. Theater camp. It really would.

It would. Oh, man. But what I'm looking forward to. Is the drama. The theater kid camp drama that was drama.

What a few kids. Oh, God. What did you see how Becky looked at me? She doesn't deserve that part. Oh, my god.

It would be. Oh, so. So delicious. It has to be fair. It tends among 40 year olds.

Yes. Yes. Yes. That way. Absolutely.

Because it's real. Right. It's real. Oh, my god.

“Another thing that would just make me want to.”

Kill everyone. Like are you. I'm kidding me. What are you? You're over here talking.

Get your life together. You're 40. It would be the best. I would have no patience. But until day two and Danielle walks over and just starts talking about all this.

Or when she doesn't get the lead part. She'll just be like, wait. Hold on. I was on dance with the stars. Yeah.

I don't know this. But I can't even. Eight. I can't even. Eight.

Place. There was a dancing component, which there probably would be at the theater camp. You kill it. You kill it. They give the role to Bonnie Morgan though.

Unfortunately. So. But. That would be amazing. That would be so funny.

Oh my gosh. Yeah, we're going. Okay. Okay. I've got.

I don't know why. I like to do things that torture me. But with you guys, it somehow ends up being fun. If it was like a like a two day experience. But if we're talking like multiple weeks.

I'm not committing to it. Yeah. No. We're not putting on an extra show.

I'm never going anywhere for a couple of weeks.

No. Not going on the road. But here's what we'll do. Well, we'll go two days a weekend to the adult theater camp. And then to do something fun for Danielle.

We'll do a weekend at the Porsche Racing School. Great. I like that. That's that would be fun. And then for me, we'll do a weekend where we just smoke weed and watch movies.

Honestly, I'm down for all of this. So there you go. Maybe not all in the same month. No. We'll break it up.

We'll break it up. And the great part about my plan is I'm just going to keep pushing it off. Until eventually it's canceled. So that's the joy. Can't get on my couch this weekend.

You do, guys. Sorry. Oh, God. The three of us being super high would be a pretty good episode. That would be a pretty fun episode.

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Well, hello. Hey, everybody. How are you guys? We are great.

Thank you so much for coming on.

We are excited to talk to you about your new movie.

“First, I want to jump into some late 90s early ot's start-up, because win in Rome, right?”

Sure. You know, one does. Yeah, of course. Now, growing up in New Jersey, how does a five-year-old start in the entertainment industry? I imagine you with like a little cigar looking for representation.

How far off am I? Yeah, and a little zoo. My older sister, who's seven years my senior, she was in this little dance group in Jersey. We grew up about eight miles from Manhattan, so really close yet so far away. And a lot of the girls, they were really talented, and they would kind of travel around,

and they had some measure of success by, you know, New Jersey dance group standards as close. But because of, you know, New York being right there, a lot of these little precocious girls, their mom started taking them into the city to get agents and managers and try to, you know, do Broadway or whatever it was, commercials, what have you, et cetera. And so my sister started doing that.

She had, you know, got an agent and manager and stuff. And my parents thought, you know, okay, this would be a good way to save money for college kind of thing. So she started and then I was five and got a call from the same manager and, you know, you started going out, and then at one point my younger sister was doing it as well. So it was the three of us, but, but they kind of stopped as they got a little older.

And, and yeah, I just kept doing it. And you guys are all kid actors, right? You all are. Yeah, I mean, obviously, you guys were at, at minimum. But you guys even started before the show.

I know you guys were doing it. Yeah, but actually, were you guys all still? You know, you know, all the way. I was in New York.

“So I'm guessing your times were you, and because you and I think are similar in age.”

So I'm guessing that you and I were probably at a whole bunch of the same places at the same time. I'm going to throw a couple names at you. Oh, God. Three of us studios. Oh, God.

Of course. Three of us in Chelsea. 12 floor. Oldest elevators. Wouldn't work slowest elevators.

Yeah, they were great.

Oh, that was always the best when you book something in New York and you had to go get a,

a wardrobe fitting down at the docks. Yep. After the time, those were fun. Yeah. And then shooting something at Unital and a Unital video at Unital.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's where I started to was like, that was from Connecticut. So it was that same. That same tri-state area energy.

Yep. Exactly. And you were similar to me, too, because I knew there was all these city kids. Right. The city kid actors that were like going to professional children's school.

And they would take the subway with their buddies to the audition. And then, and then you and me would come in on our parents mini van. And we'd drop off and we'd go upstairs in audition. And then we could back down and we weighed on the curb for our mom to circle the block. Is this sound familiar?

Well, I wish I wish that's what it was. Both my parents worked so much. I was dropped off at the bus station in Connecticut and driven to Port Authority. On a three hour bus ride down and three hour bus ride back twice a week. Yeah.

Damn. Yeah. All right. He was awesome. Yeah.

The MoJs. Oh my god. I can't believe that. The parents loved it. You must have been nice.

Must be nice. Must be nice. Must be nice. See an outlier. It's such a young age.

Wait. Eight miles from Manhattan. Were you Hoboken? Oh gosh. Drop.

“I can't believe I think you're going to get out of drop.”

I need to know where you are. We'll know. So, yeah. So, Burger County. So, Hoboken is like one mile.

Yeah.

I mean, that is right there.

Just a little further in, like the town is called Hasbroke Heights. Okay. I know, I know Hasbroke Heights. Giant stadium. Giant stadium.

I know it's like in a shadows of giant stadium. So, does this mean when you did Drexel's class,

“were you that the New York kid who came out for the network test?”

Because there's always one.

There's always one. There's always one of us flown out. Oh, they flew him out from New York. He's going to get it. Yeah, I weren't you.

Yep. I was that guy. Exactly. I was the guy. He Murphy was that girl.

Oh, yeah. I know. Yeah. So, it was me and Brittany. Brittany was from Edison, New Jersey.

A couple miles further south. And she and I that was both of our like first big L.A. job. And we both came out. But yeah, I was the one New York guy. And she was the one New York, you know.

Girl in the cast. Yeah. I remember Drexel's class. Drexel's class was the show that like everybody R.A. Joana Taudition for it was.

Oh, that was the Lawrence. That show. Yeah. Yeah. And Matthew Lawrence.

And AJ Langer. Oh, my god. AJ.

You know, she's royalty now literally royalty.

She married a prince. She did. She married like a prince or something. Yeah. Okay.

Do you have a count. Yeah. Yeah. She has like a title and all this kind of stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. That's so funny.

And actually Drexel's class. So Drexel's class was in 91. And it shot on what was at the time as you guys know. Very well. Mary Tyler Moore.

Yeah. CBS. Mary Tyler Moore. Because that's where you guys shot. Yeah.

For Drexel. Yeah. Oh, for Tony for two years. Yeah. Well, it was when I was doing Drexel.

We did one season of that. And it was canned. But I remember. Writer. My parking space.

Not that I was driving. Me and my mom are. Our limo van. Our limo minivan. It was either near you or I remember taking my parking spot.

You blocked it one day. I'm sure I blocked it. I'm sure I blocked it. But I remember walking past. At this point, you guys were big hit.

And I remember like walking past and seeing. You know, they used to have the, the, the, you just slide the name plates in. Yeah. The black and white typing. And I saw a rire strong.

I was like, whoa.

“And you must be, are you maybe a couple of years older than me?”

Uh, 46. I don't know. Also, were you saying it was 91? So it couldn't have been. Because you guys, were you guys on 91?

No, 93. Okay. Okay. Who was this celebrity? I'm dying.

No, no, no, no, no. It was writer. Okay. Hold on. Hold on.

So let me think about what else I did on CBS. Mary Tyler Moore. It must have been a pilot that I did. Okay. So it wasn't Drexel's class.

But it was in the later 90s. It would have been 95 or 96. Okay. Thank you. So I did a pilot.

And I came out and I walked past writers parking space. Did you have a BMW Z4? Sure. Yeah. It was an M Roadster.

It was an M Roadster. Okay. The M version of the Z3. Uh-huh. Did you get into an accident?

Perhaps. Oh, no. You're talking about my M3. No. No.

Did you crash? I was a Z. Oh, my car. It was a Z. It was a Z4 cars.

So I remember walking past. And writer Strong's parking space. This is the Drey Roadster. In the parking space. And seeing.

I believe on the foot. They're being a big dent. And I remember thinking that. Right. Right.

No. I gave my car to a friend who totaled it. Like, oh, no. No, my buddy Sean wrecked my car. That is fun.

So it was. It was you. It was the 91. It wasn't when I was doing it. That was another time.

I was on. Mary's having more. Whenever I'm a pretty driver though. I'm not going to lie. But I'm just a cop magnet.

It's so weird.

They never carry drugs while driving with writer Strong.

It's a good, a good rule of thumb. Unless I'm with you. Let's see how then we're fine. Temanga gets you out of all tickets. You're good, it's true.

So funny. Yeah. Yeah. I remember it. I've not clearly never forgotten.

So funny. Yeah. I just wanted to tell you that story.

“I thought I'd remember we went to a wedding together.”

Yeah. We had a mutual friend Sasha. Yep. And I maybe I didn't tell you that. But I've always been.

I've been carrying this nugget. Even though long. So exciting. I feel like I really just witnessed something good. Like I can tell you, you're your soul feels better.

Cleans, having gotten that story. When Jackson asked me to do the show. I was like, oh, will I ever? I got a good answer. I got a good answer.

I just see three stories for one. Yeah. I've been wondering when I was going to leave this on the world. Okay. So you're 12 when you book Drexel's class.

How big of a deal is this in the Biggs household? It was a pretty big deal. It was our fur. It was my soap.

Before that, you know, I had always.

All the new you are will. You can relate all the New York act.

Kid actors were always like, please take me out for pilot season.

Mom, dad, please take me out. My parents were like, no. Like, if you're supposed to be on a show that shoots an L.A. You'll audition for it here and book it. I was like, no, we got to be out there.

We got to be out there, please. You know, she's like, we're not taking a month off of work in school. For you to go live in the Oakwood. And it was not happening. Yeah.

And so I did book it out of New York. But it was like the biggest deal. So it was my first time coming to L.A. That was my first time in L.A. And it was like the greatest thing.

So my mom and I came out. And yeah, it was a big, it was a big deal. And it was super fun.

“And it was, you know, we shot, remember those three back,”

the box studios in the back by the river was sign felt was in the middle. Yeah, we're on the, on the, wherever one sign felt was it. Yep. We were next to sign felt for that one season. And I wasn't yet a big sign felt fan.

It was like their third season.

Yes. The second or third season in 91. And I was 12. I didn't quite understand it. But I went in me and Matthew and Joey Lawrence went in.

We like kind of walked in next door one day when they were filming. And they kind of let us in. And it was, it was the coolest thing. So I was like, wow, this set is so cool. It's a giant parking garage.

And years later, you know, I was like, Oh my god, I saw the parking garage episode. So he's filled, like, which is like one of the all-time classic sign. It's actually the one that they credit for becoming the first episode that really felt like sign felt to the whole cast.

It was the part they all took to the parking garage. Yeah, to me, Joey and Matthew Lawrence. So you got, speaking out of the sign felt, it's such a young Hollywood story from the 90s. It's just the best.

Oh, God. Yeah. But anyway, yeah, Daniel, it was, it was a, it was a big deal for you. Yeah. Well, and then, unfortunately, it's, and on the receiving end of a first season cancellation.

Yeah. Do you remember feeling devastated? Or did you have some sort of understanding that this is just the business? Um, both. That's a really good question because I, I, I,

I certainly was my, like, I booked some national commercials that might have been like, well, this is so cool. And so I'd seen myself on TV and my friends and like, it felt like a, like, a big, big deal on my work, of course. You know, um, but this was like, well, a TV show.

This is, you know, on Fox and there's commercials. And it's after the Simpsons and before 902 and oh,

“which, by the way, you have to really suck if you're put on after the,”

between the Simpsons and 902 and oh, and you get canceled at the 13th of. [laughter] Did it suck? Have you watched it? Oh, yes, terrible. Yeah.

Do it was, was Dabney cool back then to work with, because I worked with him not longer. Really? He wasn't. He was so nice to me.

Was he, he's so sweet to me.

Well, you know what, here's the thing.

So, so, and this ties into Danielle's question a little bit. So, um, so right before I booked Drexel's class, I had done a play called Conversations with my father at the Seattle Repertoire Theater for a couple of months. And it was with Judhurst and Tony Shalom.

Wow. I got a really cool cast. And that was kind of like a big deal job for me. And we've been Seattle for a couple of months. And they were talking about bringing it back to Broadway.

Um, soon after that. And they wanted me to to reprise my role. But then Drexel's class happened and it was this, you know, I wasn't sure if I was going to be available or not. And Judhurst was doing his final season of Dear John.

“Oh, I remember a lot of the same time I was doing my first”

and last season of Drexel's class. And his series ended, and I laughed at her 13 episodes and the timing worked out that he was like, okay, I'm going to go do Broadway, and I was able to go do it as well. So, because of Drexel's class being canceled,

I was able to, I was able to, I was able to make my Broadway debut. So it was this summer. It was a bomber. It was a hike becoming a low, but then becoming a hike and all in a matter of, That's the industry.

So it was sweet, exactly. And so to tie into Dabney, you know, Jud is like one of the greatest guys. Yeah. I did a shout-out to.

Yeah, very good. Okay. And so I came from doing this show with Jud. And having a real, he's, you know, he's very a vunky-larious kind of a second dad

by up to me. You know, I was 12, you know. And Dabney was, again, maybe I'm, I just didn't get to know him that well. He was more standoffish.

Yeah. He kind of seemed a bit like the role he played this cramudgently kind of teacher

Who didn't want to be there.

He just kind of was, I don't know,

it was in hindsight. Like he was the adult in the show at a bunch of snotty actor kids. You know what I mean? Like I probably would have been a cramudgen as well.

But I don't know, I just got at, for me, I was just like, oh, he's no judge. Hirsch. Right. I don't want to speak.

No, it wasn't warm and fuzzy, but it would be equivalent on our set of Bill Daniels. It's what it was working with Dabney was like working with Bill, where if you took the time to go and like talk to him.

Dabney was like a Virginia military institute guy and grew up very straight-laced. But when you talk to him, especially about the industry, he would love to do that.

“I don't remember when you would actually talk to Bill about stories.”

You kind of opened it up. But if we only did 13 episodes with Bill. Well, we probably probably wouldn't have gotten that right. He had seven years and that's true. That's 100% true.

Yeah. He was just our grumpy guy. He was just our grumpy guy. He was just our grumpy guy. He was just our grumpy guy.

He was just our grumpy guy. He was probably 15 years later after I'd worked with Dabney that I was walking on Warner Brothers and I walked by a trailer and the door was open and I saw him.

And I was like, I should say hi.

Like he'll never remember me.

We did a film together. And I knocked in the trailer. I was like, Mr. Coleman, I don't any turn around and went, "Well, no one in!"

And I walked in and I sat in his trailer for like an hour and we talked again. So maybe it was that moment that cemented it for me more than actually working with him. Right.

But it was, that's the best person to equate it to your right.

“If we had 13 episodes with Bill Daniels,”

we probably would have walked away and been like, he was just an old kind of app. A little bit. Yeah. And so maybe, yeah, had Drexel's class gone seven years.

It might have been, yeah, you might have had that. But you know what? I thank you for telling me that story because it's like, I've really spent, you know, however many years since '91

for the most part, if people ask going, yeah, he's not that great. Exactly. I just got, you know, got to, you know, for a quick little glimpse of him.

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[MUSIC] So you make your Broadway debut as a, I mean, that teenager, you're 13 years old, right? At this point?

Yeah. What is it like now doing eight shows a week with the heavy hitters that you mentioned? Were you intimidated at all? Or did you have a lot of confidence?

I think I was too young and naive to be like as intimidating. You know, I remember, I remember the opening night being kind of nervous, but not,

I don't know. Maybe because I had also done an in Seattle prior, but 10 years later, I did the graduate on Broadway, which writer.

Yes. I did the tour before. Yeah. You did the tour, which we should talk about that.

But I remember doing that 10 years after conversations with my father and being so incredibly nervous. And I don't know, I mean,

you're stepping into it, it's obviously, it's the bedroom. It's a different thing. I've now achieved some sort of fame.

“There's people actually there to see me.”

There's a different kind of pressure. There's all this. But like, there is something to be said for when you're that,

when you're young, just having no sense of, you're like, whatever. I just,

really, I just want to, you know, do this thing, and then, you know,

go home and, you know, I recorded my favorite Saturday morning show, that I want to watch. And just like your thing, you're just that things you think about.

You're too nice. You have to be nervous. Isn't it the best? Yes. You want to go back to the next time.

I'm excited. He doesn't really exist. You know, if you're lucky. Yeah.

I mean, obviously not for every kid. But I feel like anxiety did an enter my life until I was in my 20s. Yeah.

Exactly. Yeah. It was like the idea of like sitting and stewing or worrying about somebody's just like, "Well, you do it or you don't."

Yeah. No, that's exactly right. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah,

but it was definitely, I mean, I will say it was, it was a crazy schedule, because I was still going to school.

And so, so it was, you know, you do the eight shows from the, you know,

I wake up in the morning. I'd go to school, right, and then after school, come home,

do homework, get in my mom's limo minivan, drive through Lincoln Tunnel traffic, get to the city, do the play.

It was a three hour play.

I wasn't in the second act.

I wasn't in the second act, but I had to stay for curtain calls. So me and David Cromwell too, they wasn't in the act one, and I wasn't in act two.

So we would basically even do his homework in act one, and I would do my homework in act two, and then we do curtain calls, leaving the theater district that 11 pm, getting home with like 11 30 midnight,

Going to sleep,

getting up and going to school again on Wednesdays,

Wednesdays, leave school early,

“a little bit early to do the two show day,”

and then the weekends would come from school, but you know, would have four shows in the, and then the weekend from the theater, was Monday,

and all the adults were like, "Oh, I'm so excited to have off tomorrow." I mean, school, full day.

Yeah, and then the summer, you know, it was through the summer too, so even when all my friends were like,

"Oh, yeah." So how long did you do? How long did you make the schedule? Oh, my God. It was basically,

it was basically all of the eighth grade. So it was like the, basically, at the beginning of eighth grade, I was doing,

uh, uh, Drexel's class at that fall, and then I came back to Jersey, and I did all of,

I did the play for almost basically a year, from like December to November, the following year. So it's, it was crazy.

But again, like, there was no, I was also just a kid. I didn't have the,

there was no other responsibility in it. Was there ever any talk of maybe pulling you out of school and getting like a three hour set school, like a tutor or something,

or was that never even a question?

You were just going to stay in school. It was never even a question. Yeah, I think, you know, in Seattle,

we, um, I had, I had a tutor, but it was,

I mean, the Washington state child, yeah, yeah, yeah,

I don't know if they even exist in it.

“I think I literally had like a tutor for like,”

two hours a week. I mean, it was basically like nothing. And so, um,

yeah, we just said, you know what? I'm just going to stay in school as much as possible. And my teachers were really,

uh, supportive. You know, this town is, it was,

you know, right there outside the city, very busy, popular area, but the town itself that I was,

that I grew up in was really small, and had one high school in school. So it was like, oh, my teachers were very excited.

I was the only one who was doing the sort of thing. So they were happy to like, fax me my assignments, and give me extra time if I needed it. And I was a pretty smart kid.

So it was like, it wasn't, you know, I didn't really fall behind. It also wasn't the hardest school.

I mean, it was, I just managed, you know, but,

um, but it was definitely a workload. I mean, I remember. Yeah,

I was, I was like, I mean, when I tell the story now, I'm like,

oh my god, I can't imagine doing something like that as an adult. Like there's no world.

“And that's what I wanted to ask you like,”

we're thinking about the schedule for you. And of course, for you, it's growing, you're in school all day,

but it wasn't, your mom was a nurse, right? Yeah. She, how is she working?

And managing your eight shows a week, and driving you in the limo van? Yeah. Um, Well,

first of all, when you own a limo van, it's very easy to drive. I mean, you want to drive the limo van.

It's not driving Tesla's now. Practically. Practically. It's a, you know,

it's not that hard to get her behind the wheel. Okay. Okay. Not a euphemism. So,

so, but she, you know, when I was, I forget how old I was,

it was before I did that play. So at some point, when I was little, she decided to start working nights. So that she could take me on audition.

Oh, man. If I had an audition. Right. You know, so that she could be available,

you know, at 3 p.m. when I got out of school, if I had to go into the city for, for a,

so I never put that together.

You were the guy in the waiting room, whose mom was sitting there in bloody scrubs. Now I get it. [laughter] Now I know who it was.

Oh, I remember that. That's right. That's right. Yeah. You thought she was auditioning.

[laughter] But no, that was actually, [laughter] Yeah. No.

Listen, you know, the font, I mean, she didn't even, this woman,

she didn't even, like, get out of the car. I mean, I was, you know, seven years old,

she dropped me off. And this is, obviously, before cellphones and stuff. So like,

I would come down, be the elevator, and go out to the curb, and just kind of like, look in front of weight,

because she would be circling the block. They don't understand it. I've tried to explain New York in the 80s in the 90s, like early 90s auditioning,

and getting dropped off, and walking the city. And these are California kids Jason. They're just, they don't get it.

Yeah. It wasn't by the way. California, I mean, sorry, New York in the 80s was also,

I mean, it was New York in the 80s. Yeah, it wasn't New York in the 80s. It wasn't New York in the 80s. It wasn't New York in the 80s.