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Welcome to Plate of America. I'm John Favre. I'm John Nothing. I'm talking to you, Torne. On today's show, we got Trump seemingly making up stories about negotiating with Iran to calm the stock market after he threatened to blow up their power plants. Ice agents being deployed to airports because Trump refuses to fund TSA, and most Congress passes a lot, making it harder for people to vote.

Democrats fantasizing about a humorless future and hotter candidates. And the president, celebrating the death of Bob Mueller. Then, love it talks to strict scrutiny's Lee Alipman about the Supreme Court's latest assault

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We're calling. Yeah. Yeah. Asking about his tweet. Let's check in.

“Oh, that's a good one. Or should we ask him if he thinks the new IOTL is hot?”

Oh, this is probably like he's getting to the witching hours in a Sunday. Probably calling like during his favorite show. Oh, he has this Hannity.

There's always Hannity eight right? Oh, yeah. Maybe this is the scene.

Oh, no, no, this is he likes the low. He hates newsmax. I got a little excited for a second. I get a little nervous. Me too. I get a little nervous. I know that I feel comfortable that Tommy has a plan, but I do. I mean, I have to do the Tommy Toronto record line. I was in tell him how positive America we're bigger than Ben Shapiro. And then I wanted to ask him if the new us Supreme Leader is Robin Williams from the bird cage

gay or Nathan Lane from the bird cage gay. Oh, wow. Or Scott Bezzaguer, Lindsey Graham gay. He's more than he Graham gay of anything. If Lindsey Graham is gay, which we can't know for sure. Sure. We can't know for sure. But we can ask Trump. Maybe we'll ask Trump. We can ask Trump. We can ask Trump. All right. Let's get to the news. Roughly 36 hours after Trump threatened to obliterate

soar is around threatened to retaliate by destroying energy, water, and communications and

infrastructure across the Middle East. The president backed down just in time from markets to open, claiming that negotiations to end the war are underway, which Iran said isn't true at all. Here's Trump talking to reporters about this Monday morning. Tomorrow morning, sometime, they're time. We were expected to blow up their largest electric generating plants

“that caused over $10 billion to build. One shot is gone. It collapses. Why would they want that?”

So they called, I didn't call. They called. They want to make a deal. We're doing a five-day period. We'll see how that goes. And if it goes well, we're going to end up with the settling this. Otherwise, we'll just keep bombing our little hearts, yeah. You said there's many points of agreement with Iran right now. And what can you give us about those? Like 15 points, 15 points. That's one is, I guess. Well, they're not going to have a nuclear weapon. That's number one.

That's number one, two and three. They will never have a nuclear weapon.

It's a nuclear weapon. They've agreed to that. It's going to form moves. It's going to be a control unit. That would be open, they're very soon. If this works. It moves into the control unit. Well, Iran's so we ought to control the flow. It's going to be a jointly control. Maybe me. Me and the Iotola, whoever the Iotola is, whoever the next Iotola.

Me and Iotola TBD. The calling at the Tehran taco, guys. Oh, they're, are they calling in that? No, no, I hope not. Yeah, but they are. Yes, somewhat or somewhere. I realize the simplest answer here is nobody knows because the President has undiagnosed mental disorders, but what do you guys think is going on here? How do we get from Trump threatening an escalation that would likely constitute a war crime just on Saturday night

to a seemingly fabricated story about a possible deal to end the war? Tommy. Yeah, we went from zero enrichment regime change to joint custody of the straight order moves. Is that where we're at? Maybe Marco. That's in Markovia. Maybe to be able to be the chairman of the straight order moves. He's the bridge. He's the, he's the the troll that sits at the straight of form moves. That's a good peat exercise,

which I would like to kind of a rhyme scheme. Speaking stuff. In between, the price of oil exploded. The stock market fell way off the ties. And I think Trump woke up Monday morning. He saw the Asian European markets in, you know, way down S&P futures are way down and decided to send up the old taco at that signal. And it's predictable, right? I mean, we know Trump cares about two things. It's TV coverage and bad moves in the stock market. And the only criticism he

probably gets in person at least is from billionaires and CEOs and bankers who can afford to

go to his country clubs who will see him and be like, "I'm worth a billion less than I was yesterday,

“sir." And so I think that's what happens with the move. That's why Bessant was out, Scott Bessant,”

Treasury Secretary over the weekend. Like, that's not normally the guy that would you have talking about air strikes on IRGC targets, right? It's only about market manipulation. And so this will get him through the short term. Longer term, I don't believe a work he said in that clip. Like, the Iranians know they have leverage. They're going to use it because they don't want to wake up in six months with these railways, once again, bombing them, bombing, going for regime

change, trying to kill off their leaders. Iran has denied that there have been substantive talks. And I've also seen a list of demands from Iran that could include simultaneous ceasefire in Iran, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran continuing its missile program, Iran codifying its rights in nuclear enrichment, Iran getting payments for damages in the war. Reparations. Reparations. And then some sort of de facto recognition of their control of the straight, which I'm kind of

preemptively grants there. So, I don't know man, J.D. Vance, maybe he's going to lead these talks.

“I think that'd be a good thing. Like, we should get Steve Wacoff and Jared Kushner away from”

these talks because they're more ons. But also the US Marine contingent gets there on Friday. So, yeah, I see about that. I have a question because I read some reports that they're all headed to Islamabad in Pakistan for talks. And J.D. Vittkov and Kushner are going to meet the, I guess, the speaker of the Iranian parliament's chair. I saw Pakistan, the officials, talk to us, said this to Reuters too. But like,

question about this. If you're the speaker of parliament in Iran and you're probably next on the Israeli's list for targeted assassination, you just pop in your head up now, hop in on a plane and go into Islamabad. Is that something that you think the, well, it's probably safer out of the country than it. Yeah, there's moment when Trump was asked who exactly he is negotiating with. It's actually very similar, sort of geometrically,

to when he was asked which I should present and he was talking to and then didn't want to say and then they all of the night it. So, Iran saying these talks aren't happening Trump saying they are, but he won't say with who? Why? Because he suggests if he says who the US is talking to, Israel might kill them, which also gives you a little bit of a concern about what the negotiating

chief ally, this won't step step in and escalate when you choose not to. But this is what I mean,

I was like kind of joking, but like also they have killed a bunch of top Iranian officials now assassinated them. Every time the Iranians have negotiated, we have bombed them or attacked during

“the negotiations. So, like, if you're the Iranians, why do you try to go negotiate it all at this point?”

They were complying with the JCPOA, the Iran nuclear agreement, which Trump pulled out of in 2018, then the US and Iran were negotiating when the Israeli started the 12-day war and then we were negotiating again. Apparently the last round of talks before the most recent war was the most productive yet, then we bombed them. And then Trump and the press is bragged about how we use talks as subterfuge to trick the Iranians. So now the Iranians are, they know that there's 7500

plus Marines, heading to the Middle East right now. And like, I mean, these rallies have killed a lot of people who have been in our interlocutors in talks. They can kill the, you know, the speaker of parliament. The power structure in Iran is the IRGC. It's the military. And like, so that's who's going to be calling the shots here. And so I just, I don't know, Trump could be like, oh, I have a secret source like Delcy Rodriguez of Iran. I just don't, I don't buy it.

Yeah, I saw that a bunch of Trump officials just told political to, they're doing the Delcy Rodriguez thing again with the speaker of parliament. They're like, this is, this is what he's looking for. And one official said that this, the speaker of the Iranian parliament, he's a hot option right now. That's the quote. He's a hot option. What does that mean? People are talking about them a lot. They think they think he's someone that they can deal with. He's a hot option. But they

“got to test him out. They got to test him out first. That's what they said. Is he hot? Do we look?”

Is that what we're not at that part of the show yet? Don't skip ahead to our hot candidate section. Hot Iranian. Hot Iranian section. Yeah. The administration has gotten several Iranian generals up to like 3,000 or 4,000 degrees. Oh, it's just tough. So there's that. I do think that the trouble for Trump here is that like taco speak aside, like he doesn't just get to cancel the war like he canceled some of his tariffs. Like like the Iranians and the

Israelis kind of can do whatever they want and keep this thing going in a way that really wreaks havoc on the global economy and our own for as long as they want. Yes. Look, what an extraordinary

couple of weeks this has been. First, a war launched without Congress, without clear goals.

Goals that evolved over the basically over the course of that weekend. They did really land on if there's one set of goals that kind of landed on repeatedly. It's the Rubio version, which is no nuclear capabilities to destroy the Navy, et cetera. But they had talked about regime change. The regime's inability to project power. Then they closed the straight of Hormuz at which point Trump began begging our allies to join the fight after the fight had already begun and they said,

"No, thank you. We'll continue to not be part of this war. We weren't consulted on and want nothing to do with, especially after you've been bullying us for a year." And then Trump said, "Actually, we don't need you because it's going so well." And then he saw the market's tank and is now trying to end it this way. And yeah, he's not in control of events and he wants to be in control of events. But really, there's no a piece of analysis about this, which is actually

ironically a place where there's not much nuance. Either the straight of Hormuz is open or it's not. It's not. You have a huge set of knock-on consequences. That Trump is not able to solve.

“He has to get it open. Iran has a saying whether or not it's open. And that's what puts him in this”

position. And you can kill a bunch of leaders over and over. And you could have great opportunities for promotion. But it doesn't deal with the underlying problem. Yeah, like I want this of war over today. And if not today tomorrow, I think that's the best outcome. The sooner or the better. But we should just be clear. If the war ends today, it is a failure. We lost. Like the 900 pounds of highly-neutral uranium still sitting in Iran.

The regime is still in place. In fact, their position is hardened because we replaced an 86-year-old named Hamanay with a 50-something-year-old named Hamanay. It was apparently much more angry at us because Trump killed his dad, his wife, his kid, and some others. And by the way, 86-year-olds tend to die on his own accord and create power vacuums that are not made by the United States. He was going to regime change himself. And then maybe the protesters were out in the streets in December of January

could have helped exercise the better option. And then Iran is now fully realized its economic leverage to the straight of Hormuz. And it sounds like they intend to continue to exercise that leverage. Why wouldn't they? Why not? Trump was also asked about his decision to lift sanctions

on 140 million barrels of Iranian oil that's already sitting at sea, which could be worth about

$14 billion to the Iranians. The move was intended to ease what has now become a global crisis that the head of the international energy agency said is worse than the 1973 and 1979 oil shocks combined. US and Israeli officials have also started forecasting a battle for Hormuz that will likely involve the 2,500 marines headed towards the Middle East right now. Though there

officials are saying in public. Here's soybean farmer Scott Besant in a horny warm-unger Lindsey Graham on the Sunday shows. Is the president in the process of winding down this war

“or escalating? I, again, they're not mutually exclusive. Sometimes you have to escalate to”

a de-escalate crew. The sanctions were in place to prevent Iran from getting any of the money. They will have access to some of that. No, again, Kristen, you're missing the point. In essence, we are due to just sewing the Iranians. We are using our tool to get to against them. Here's why I tell President Trump, keep it up for a few more weeks. Take Cargalin. We did a U. Jima, we can do this. They're really sending their best. I guess we're funding both sides of

this war now. $14 billion for the Iranians? I don't totally understand how this brings in the

art of Jiu Jitsu and who's doing Jiu Jitsu. I don't know how you understand what the, is it that? The reason that type of speech that he was referring, is it of, he was Jiu Jitsuing them with their own oil? I guess it's that the idea being that if you remove the sanctions, you lower the price of oil and therefore lower the amount of money Iran gets, but the Iran was currently getting $0. So I think that's $14 billion. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not,

you know, trying to shut it down. But $14 billion is more than $0.00. Yeah. And the, the pallets of cash, the Obama gave Iran in the nuclear deal. That was what $1.5 billion all together. And it was just their own assets on frozen. Yeah, the pallets of cash was $400 billion. It was part of the bigger settlement. The dated back to the apologize. Yeah, the dated back to the 1970s, was the Carter administration. There was an arms deal with the Shah of Iran that obviously ended

when the Iranian Revolution happened. And then it wound its way through these various courts.

“And we had to pay them back. And that's how it ended up doing it. And that became like,”

the biggest deal ever Donald Trump talks about to it today. But yeah, that, um, that pissy cadaver, they put out fucking on the Sunday shows. Scott doesn't, he had a tough, tough interview. Yeah,

because he's suggesting that giving around $14 billion that they can use to fund a war against

us or a new nuclear infrastructure or more weapons for Hezbollah or the Houthis is jujitsu, which I would disagree with. He gets very angry at Kristen Welker for suggesting we should talk about how to pay for the war as they're primed to request $200 billion in funding. So like, everything about his interview there, he was fucking terrible. That just seems like a lot of money. There were also, I don't know if you saw that when they're talking about like the Iranians want

reparations as part of any negotiation to, and the war, Trump official was like, well, obviously, we're not going to give them reparations. But maybe we can just like unfree some of their assets, and it just depends on what we call it. I'm like, oh, thanks. So you might unfree some of their assets, and then say that that, oh, interesting for a nuclear deal. God, nuclear deal. What is it that when Trump does it? It's different when Trump's giving them even more money? What? I don't know

who is receiving less genuine feedback more Donald Trump or Lindsey Graham at this point. He's out there frothing at the mouth comparing Cargile into fucking Iwo Jima. Are you satisfied with your mind? But 7,000 Americans at Iwo Jima, 20,000 wounded. Oh, I, are you saying what your goal is to have one of the great battles of fucking World War II in the Middle East right now? Like, that's your goal.

“That's what you think we should be. That's the, that's the good analogy here. Yeah, I was going to,”

we've got to give them, we first, we've got to give them the, let them sell their oil so they can make $14 billion so they can fortify their defenses on Cargile against the invasion that we're about to launch for what, for oil, for more oil to sell, I guess. I'm so, I look, I think. Then we can sanction it again. I don't know who knows. I'm still, you know, I still want to take the over on corruption being the way out of this thing, get wick off, and Kushner, they can make

some kind of a deal, suddenly the straight-of-horse moves is open, and everybody's making money, and that's, that, that, to me, is, and that, that all of the escalation talk is a threat towards some kind of a deal. It's not impossible to imagine we live in that world. It's suddenly you can play 18 holes on Cargile and, you know, yeah, it's beautiful. And what, January, the straight-of-horse moves is beautiful. It actually is. Go look at pictures. Go look, go look at pictures. Peter,

who's a beautiful man. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. The straight-of-horse

moves are reporting over that we never going to want to come back. By the way, two weeks ago,

Meghan Kelly was saying Lindsey Graham is a homicidal maniac with a bloodlust that is insatiable. That's before that interview. It just doesn't seem like it's been satiated. No, not satiated. Shout out to representation, no. Look at this administration. Scott Besson out there, Lindsey Graham out there. Huh? Yeah. Marsha P. Johnson threw that brick, and here we are all these years later. The beautiful thing. Why do you think, why do you, this brings up a good question?

Why do they only have Besson, like you said, the treasury secretaries out there on the Sunday shows, they got Graham out there, Hegseth doing his briefings. They're all selling the war.

No, I mean, I do think that Besson is out there purely to talk to the markets because they were freaking out. And it's just like his lack of answers is just a sign of how poorly they plan.

Like, I read over the weekend that the strategic petroleum reserve was only 60 percent full at the

start of the war. Like, they clearly all thought this was going to be quick and over by now. But I heard from somebody over the weekend that Trump is basically the only one who likes Pete Hegseth anymore. And everyone else thinks he's a clown and an idiot and that he sucks on TV. And that he's doing badly at the job. So they're like happy to throw him to the wolves. That's awesome. And have him just kind of own this policy. And it sounded like Trump's kind of there too.

Right? You heard him Monday at the policy. He was like, Pete, you're the one who told me to do this war. Pete, I think you were the first one to speak up. And you said, let's do it.

“That's what Pete was saying next to him in Tennessee today at an event.”

Yeah. I have to say, there was, that's actually to me the most revealing and chilling thing. I've learned in quite some time about the way this decision was made because so the first person to chime in to say we should do this is Pete Hegseth. And we were off to the races from there. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you're counting like US officials, I'm sure it would be, I think we got BB, well, probably inside the administration is Hegseth. And then you got Lindsey Graham.

And then you got Netanyahu. I think those were the big warmongers.

I think over the course of the first four years and then the first, you know, 100 days of the

Trump administration, 2.0, a lot of people try to talk Trump into going to war with Iran. And he wave them off or he got wavedof it. And then he saw them at a hammer operation. And then he saw Venezuela and was like, we're invincible. We can do anything. And here we are. And so like, you know, I've watched all of these Hegseth briefings like he's actively harmful. Right. He's like the reading war crime, Limerick. And then Port Dan Kane, the chairman of the

joint chiefs is like, let me like try to be a fucking adult here. Admiral Cooper from the Sankama is pretty good. But Rubio and Vance are in like witness protection. Like, well,

“like remember Marco Rubio after Venezuela, he did meet the press. He was doing press conferences.”

He was everywhere. Have you guys seen him on TV? He popped up to say he popped up to say Israel made us do it. And then we haven't heard from him since. And then JD Vance just sort of runs around trying to talk about anything else. And then when anyone asked him about the war, he was like, I'd go to jail if I told you the classified info, the advice that I gave the president about this war. There is one more person. I saw a report it over the weekend that

convinced Trump. This was a good idea. Rupert Murdoch. Yeah. Rupert reports. Yeah. It totally tracks that you've got Netanyahu Murdoch, Lindsey Graham and Pete Hegseth. That's that seems like the right crew for this. Speaking of Vance in Rubio, this is sort of a non-secreter, but I just thought you guys would like this. You see the Sane Anselm poll from New Hampshire that just came out, they started doing 28

primaries on the Republican side. So they did their last one in October. Since then, Vance is at 46, but he's down 11 from October. Faves? I don't know. This is the horse race on the Republican side. 46? 46%. He's down 11 because, you know, who's at 27? Marco Rubio. He's 18 points. That makes me happy. And then, disantis is at five. Fight it out. It's down to,

from the article. And everyone else is in single-digit. But that is interesting that the Vance in Rubio have switched a little bit. Trump also said on Monday, he still wants Congress to send

him another $200 billion of our tax dollars to fund this war. We've talked about why this

should be an easy no vote for Democrats. Now, it seems like some Republicans are also blocking at the price tag. Senator John Kennedy says he won't vote for any amount of funding until Congress holds hearings on the war. Tom Tillis said that a $200 billion request would need to pass the Senate with 60 votes. And over in the House, Lauren Bobert said last week, she's already a no on any additional war funding. So Trump and, you know, various

pundits keep saying that Republican voters are fully behind this war. You think these

“Republicans and Congress are finally reading some of the same polling we are?”

I just, I was struck by the Bobert statement because she said, I will not vote for a war supplemental. No, I am a no. I have already told leadership. I am a no on any war supplemental. I am so tired of spending money elsewhere. I'm tired of industrial war complex getting all of our heart on tax dollars. And I was like seeing that was like, wow, that is better than a lot of Democrats have been able to come out with and say clearly that there are no in any

submenace. All these Democrats seem to be playing a hand at the door. Got it. But all these Democrats that are talking themselves into believing that this is a nuanced situation or it's complicated or if you're not supporting the troops, Lauren Bobert managed to find her way to a statement that I agree with. I'm wondering why it's so hard for some of these other Democrats to do the same. But I didn't mean to take your question about

Republicans and turn it to do the Democrats. But it was, no, it sounded like authentic and emotional and real. It was a good answer. I mean, what would you drop it in right here? I will not vote for a war supplemental. No, I am a no. I've already told leadership. I am a no on any war supplemental. I am so tired of spending money elsewhere. I am tired of the industrial war complex getting all of our heart and tax dollars. I have folks in Colorado

who can't afford to live. We need America first policies right now. And that I'm not doing that.

Politico had a leak of 50 billion. Now, it's up to 200 billion. And I was very worried from

the very beginning, the Democrats of you, this or that kind of like a rock war lens about supporting the troops. And you're a Jake Tapper literally say that, won't to Chris Murphy won't

“tube you accuse of not supporting the troops. But now we've gotten to the point where I think the”

war is going so badly, the number is so high that I think the state political opportunity for Democrats and that we should not only loudly oppose it, but we shouldn't make it a big thing. Because voters do not want to spend 200 billion to drop bombs on Iran. There was some recent polling about funding. 56 percent of voters oppose more funding for the war. 41 percent strongly opposed, personally, 15 percent who strongly support. 61 percent of independence

opposed more funding. And then CBS and their poll like 60 percent disapprove of the Iran war, 67 percent of Americans say we should not be willing to pay more for gas during the Iran war. So like people are not feeling the time for collective sacrifice message. Also, that CBS poll, like, you know, they had recently pulled on March 3rd. So just a couple weeks ago, war approval was 44.56 then now it's 46. Also, it mirrors Trump's approval into approval now.

Trump's job approval in that poll was 40 to approval of 60. The argument just also released a poll as well. It has very similar numbers to the CBS poll and all the other polls. But they also did a generic ballot test for the midterm. And they have Democrats leading 54.46. And if you do probably definitely vote likely voters, 55.45. That's 10 points. That would be larger than the vote in 2018. Penning on budgets already over a trillion dollars, stories recently about

a thing. And it last fiscal year, they're racing to spend what money they had because there was more than they knew what to do with including buying grand pianos and Herman Miller chairs for people. You also have Sean Duffy out there. We're going to talk about what's happening at security at the airports. You had a collision at LaGuardia of FAA problems all across the country. Get Sean Duffy walking around begging for another 20 billion to pick the FAA to modernize

air traffic control, recruited enough air traffic control. You can't get that money through

Congress. But Trump's going to get $200 billion to pay for his war basically to legalize it

and authorize it after the fact of what are we doing here? Yeah, there already. I was thinking they would do this last week and I think best and started it over the weekend. And then Trump today was talking about it too, which is like, oh, you know, we need the $200 billion to sort of backfill for all the munitions that we've already used for future threats. And we always need the money for our defense. And they're going to try to decouple this $200 billion war funding request

from the war that they're asking. The idea that this several weeks requires a basically upping the

“pentagon budget by 20 percent. So that's how outrageous. Yeah. The thing you mentioned a minute ago”

that the administration will try to argue that this funding request vote is de facto congressional authorization of the war. And everyone should just know that that is how your vote will be viewed by history. You will be like all these Democrats after 2004, 2003 trying to explain how, oh, actually we just voted to authorize George W. Bush to go to the UN to put more pressure on the Iraqi. No, you will have seen as voting for the war and for the funding. Fucking vote against it.

I will say hearing Lauren Bobert say that knowing that there are other Republicans who are going to be knows on this. Like, I now feel more confident that Democrats are going to vote the right way. Even if some of them at the very beginning of this process were thinking of maybe supporting it.

Like, I don't know. I mean, explaining your vote is tough enough. First like a $200 billion war

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“If you're traveling in America anytime soon, here are a few fun developments you should”

probably be aware of. One, flights are much more expensive because the war in around has spiked fuel prices to obscene levels. So you're, you're, your, your ticket's going to cost a lot more. Uh, number two, you might end up waiting in the airport security line for more than four hours because Trump is now refusing to pay TSA agents unless Congress passes a bill that would require showing a passport or birth certificate to register to vote. And three, while waiting in that security line,

you may see armed ice agents in full tactical gear milling about the airport looking for something to do or someone to arrest. This last stroke of genius came from the president himself who couldn't

stop bragging about it to report us on Monday. That was mine. That was like the paper clip.

You know, the short of the paper clip, 182 years ago, a man discovered the paper clip. It would search for it. Everybody that looked at it say, "Why didn't I think of that?" Ice was my idea,

“they're able to now arrest illegals as they come into the country. That's a great fertile territory.”

Now, you know, I'm a big believer that they should be able to wear masks when they go and hunt down murderers, criminals, and others. But for purposes of the airport, I've requested that they take off the mask. I don't like it for the airport. For a mask, not in the airport, but they need to do it when they're out in the country. The people coming into the airport typically speaking, armed murderers, killers, drug dealers, etc. They made me a few of them, but there are many.

But they are coming in illegally because that is the the easiest way for people to come in illegally to the country is to just book a plain ticket, show up at the airport. Why, if he is, and his brain in there is some sort of a fact about how this one prison is border policy is that a lot of people who come in through the country illegally, people who overstay their visas after coming through flying illegally. Right. Yeah, they have to stay alive for sure. No, I'm not saying it's a

smart point that he's making. So backstory here is that Democrats have been trying to fully fund TSA and all non-immigration parts of DHS for a week now, over a week now. Senate Republicans initially said no, they were blocking these bills. But then, over the weekend, John Foon reportedly called Trump and said, you know, Republicans are ready to join Democrats and like funding everything except for ICE and then students said maybe that just Republicans would try to fund ICE with like a

party line reconciliation vote or something. You know, let's end this crisis. The airport lines are getting long, whatever. Trump says no to John Foon. He says that he will keep TSA and all of DHS closed unless Democrats pass the save act and that he's deploying ICE agents to the airports. And this seems like both a terrible idea and terrible politics. What do you guys think? Did you guys hear the back start? They see an unreporting the backstory of the ICE agents thing. Apparently it was

it was literally a random woman, a radio caller named Linda from Arizona. That's the idea to clay Travis on his radio show Friday. Then clay went on Fox News to talk about it. Trump must have seen that because he then announced his plan the next day. So that's inventing the paper clip. And now and now we have ICE agents just milling about the airport. The lines today are still just as long as they were. Why? Because they're not trained to be TSA agents.

And so they're just walking. You see these AP photos of them just like sitting there looking

ceilings. This is sort of like we're at this place where, oh no, no, no, don't do that. It's too stupid. That's too stupid of a thing to think would help. They're not trained. They're not going to be able to do anything at the airport. They don't know how to use the machines. They're not, they haven't taken the training to scan what's in the documents. They don't even know how to read the do the idea machine. Those machines seem complicated to me. They probably have to learn something for

a while. They're just going to end up standing there. So we shouldn't do that. That's too stupid. But nobody is going to tell this guy now. No, it's like, oh, great idea sir. Great idea, Mr. President. They're on their way. You say it someday. We'll have them out there at the airports by Monday. Doing what? It doesn't matter. It's what you wanted. And it's an image of the ice agents there.

And that's cool. You're doing something. It's to own the lips. Basically, Trump said it drives

“Democrats crazy. That's what Jim Comer said. Probably can in the house on the Sunday shows too.”

This is like a line that we're hearing now that it's, we're, they're driving the Democrats crazy. Having the ice agents there. It's like rather than being airports than like terrorizing communities. It's like, it's not going to be no harm. But like, yeah, no, it's like, let's get them doing all kinds of tasks unrelated to their duties. So do whatever you want. So Democrats have been demanding to take ice agents off the streets and to take their masks off. That's what you did.

That's what you did. We're getting Starbucks at LaGuardia. Now it's okay. Do it. Don't not run for the TSA guys. I got like, I look great. Like, stand there. What are we doing here? The other, like, we're in this, like purely symbolic fight, too, because what was, before Trump added on top of it, and we got to do save back. And the trans people can't do sports. If I'm going to reopen the government. What was happening? Utilization. What was actually happening? The

DHS was shut down, right? But the reason Trump can deploy ice is because ice has this other

pool of funding, a 75 to 80 billion dollar pool of funding that they're just going to run off of.

“Right? So this is a symbolic effort to say we're not sending any more money to ice. That's why”

the government shutting down. Then the negotiations are we'll open everything up. But ice, right? Even that will have no impact actually on ice. Democrats came out in favor of that Republicans very that Trump doesn't want to do that. He wants to add all these things on top of it. Ironically, right? Like any resolution that would have a positive impact on what ice is able to do or not to would be the result of even more concessions on both sides over a negotiation of actually

funding ice. The only way to actually limit what ice will do in the next few years is through a negotiation. That's not about not funding ice. That's actually about getting to funding ice. But just so far from where we're at right now because we're having this sort of purely symbolic conversation about ice in the airports and whether or not we'll let TSA agents get paid. Well, now Trump is just decided to own the whole thing. He's just decided to torpedo

any chance of blaming anything on Democrats because he's like, you know, John Thune, Ted Cruz was out there saying he would just fund TSA. Like, I love travel. Exactly. Ted Cruz out there and then in then Trump's like, no, you got to pass the safe act, which the Republicans John Thune in response told a reporter. It's just not really, he's like, look, we all like the SAVAC because they're also supposed to say that even though some of them probably

don't want to pass the SAVAC because again, it would probably prevent a lot of Republican voters from registering to vote. But he said it's not realistic to tie the SAVAC to this funding battle. And you're actually seeing a couple like I saw one of the Ohio senators say this. Ted Cruz is saying it. So like, I'm I'm actually surprised pleasantly so that some Republicans are like, okay, this idea from Trump, little crazy. But I don't know. I don't know if it goes anywhere.

I just keep thinking back to the political story from January about how Donald Trump's going to travel the country weekly. He had the midterm stouting for a bit of a message, not really. The feeling whether or not we're going to co-own the straight of four moves with the Iranians and like have ice ages in the airport. Like for so five hundred extra dollars to fly to Cincinnati and you're going to wait for three hours at the airport. Welcome to the golden age.

Did you guys watch the Tennessee thing today at the Tennessee event? He did just to begin it. It was like a cabinet meeting in that like they're all these staffers just kind of doing their ritualistic dick sucking and like they at one point I forget who it was. It was um, it was Steven Miller like really went to town and Trump was like, wow, I don't know if you can top that cash and then cash would tell us up and he did his little, you know, glazing session.

It was it's just terrible. Trump said this. Tommy first in ad hoc blow job is supposed to the

more ritualistic kind of visual time. I mean, he likes it off the book's blow job. It's a ritual.

“That's what he wants the kill deal. The Trump also said that the Senate should kill the”

filibuster to pass the save act. They should cancel their Easter recess if necessary because this one's for Jesus to pass the save. Have you heard the good news? This one's for Jesus. He actually saved this one's for Jesus. Yeah. He said do it for Jesus. Do it for Jesus. Mm-hmm. Jesus would want you to present your passport or birth certificate to your local election office in order to register to vote by these midterms, which is again is something that

would probably disenfranchise not just Democratic voters but plenty of Republican voters,

So that's where we are. I don't know how, Trump's just going to have to back down in this one because there's going to be pressure at the airport so the lines are going to be crazy.

“He doesn't have the Americans in the Senate with him. I think he cares. I like he'll find a way to”

like look, like, I urge you see guys doing TSA security work. Yeah, look, I was talking to the eye at told. They got some great ideas for what we can do to get these airports running more smoothly. There's some security guys. They can love us. I'm fucking believable. Well,

Randy Revolutionary guy. I honestly, I think we don't make sure they're no liquids in our backs.

Yes, I would do it. The welcome message goes from Christy Nome with the reports to the new the Speaker of the Orion Parliament. Yeah, hot option. Funder or not, speaking of DHS, it appears that they're going to have a new secretary in play shortly. Rand Paul's the only Republican voting against Mark Wayne Mullin and two Democrats are voting for him. We're talking about John Fetterman voting yes. And as of Sunday, Martin Heinrich

of New Mexico said he's voting yes. He said Mullin is a friend and will stand up to bullying by Stephen Miller. Heinrich also noted that in Mullin's confirmation hearing, he quote, "recognized the necessity of judicial warrants," which also supports reporting from the New York Times over the weekend that before his nomination, Mullin had been working behind the scenes

with Democratic Congressman Josh Godheimer to hash out a compromise on reopening DHS

that included requiring judicial warrants in most cases. I wonder what you guys make of Mullin's relatively easy path to confirmation. Not just the yes votes from Fetterman and Heinrich, but just not a lot of intense opposition from the Democrats. Seems to be based partly on a belief that DHS will be slightly less chaotic and more humane under Mullin's leadership than it was under Nome and Lewandowski. What do you guys think? Yeah, the Heinrich statement has a real

kind of bros before host energy to it. So you got to assume, right, Mullin's getting through with Republican votes because Rand Paul was the only know, he's about mattered on the committee, Fetterman helped him get out of the committee, but he would have had the votes to get through. So I suppose the argument would be giving him a yes creates a relationship in which you have kind of a better opportunity to put pressure on and have it to have real conversations with someone

“you worked with closely, but that also I think works so well with Rubio. I was about to say”

it depends on sort of ignoring what the actual reality is of the Trump administration and what happens once people are in there and the pressure they're under because whatever relationship you had before they become, no matter what they're saying behind the scenes, beholden to Steven Miller and Donald Trump,

the inability to be publicly critical of them, the inability to defy them and all the consequences.

After that until you have people that have expressed their regrets about voting for Nome and you have people that have expressed their regrets about voting for Rubio, yet not learning that lesson from their colleagues when they decide they're going to vote for this guy so I think it's I think not holding on against these people is always something people regret. Yeah, the consensus is that Christy Nome was a disaster and I think there's kind of anybody

but her vibe even with Republicans also centers tend to kind of coast through and he's setting so we'll see. I mean I do think it's part policy, part personal, like he does, Mark Wayne Mullen does sound like he was genuinely willing to be more moderate in the Trump administration on judicial warrants and also it sounds like he has some genuinely good relationships which is surprising because he did try to beat up the guys from the teamsters at a hearing one time

but now that guy from the teamsters is sitting behind him at his confirmation hearing because their boys also you knew us was their Josh Scott hammer. Yeah, it's about Democrats and New Jersey and so like this sounds ridiculous but he runs a popular workout group for he does

“for members of Congress and senators. Yeah, I think he's teaching a Pilates. I've heard members talk”

about this and that it's really good. Exhale through the dry face. It's a reference. That's a that's just a little more about it. It's just for the three of us. I would really love it for us. Well, Christy W. It's a personal politics here. He's a disaster. Yeah, he's going to be disaster but he spotted them. He's supposed to help them really kind of crush their rats and their delts. It's not even a personality thing why he could be into that. Like when

he's a DHS there's one way to lose his job and it's by pissing off Steven Miller Donald Trump. In the senators can't hurt him anymore. Once he's a DHS right now they can they can cost him the nomination but once he gets there it doesn't really matter so but look I think if you wanted to make the better argument for why you don't put up a fight as you can only fight so many things. He has the Republican votes anyway and so like what are you going to do? It seemed

impossible to strike down the nomination. I do think what you can do the most the more important thing is in these negotiations to reopen DHS and as Mollon's getting confirmed you try to codify the rules about a judicial warrant or all this other stuff which is the reason that the

so far a field that we've got ice agents running around the airports. Speaking of Lewandowski Dan and I briefly mentioned the NBC story about him openly demanding bribes from a private prison company on Saturday the times also published a big investigation into Lewandowski's time at the department that is just full of enraging details. On Monday Democrats on the House Overside Committee launched an investigation into the bribery allegations. What do you guys think? Good

use of time and energy if Dems get the House back? Yes it's a shocking with a brazen corruption scheme

“where people are either obliquely or directly suggesting that if you want to govern in contract”

but Cori Lewandowski has to get his be quiet they all deny it but they have a lot of lot of sources including sources of the White House that are validating this story. I have a number of NBC or in the times but one telling point was people inside the White House or inside the administration considering whether or not to do an investigation or take some kind of action are worried that if they do, Trump will publicly come out in defense of Lewandowski. This was my concern

that I expressed don't write a spot. It's crazy. You know I was like let's not maybe let's not talk about it until after Trump leaves office if we're going to go after Lewandowski. You know we know everyone should just quiet it down until he can't pardon him. Right the pardon's loom over over the whole thing and then there's the fact that Lewandowski seems to be getting the presidential

daily brief. Absolutely nuts that blew my mind. Not he's of basically a volunteer government employee

getting the PDB. He's not a full-time employee and he's getting the PDB and he's holding meetings in Christy Known's office when she's not in other places. He's doing a lot of things in our office

“once you've around. I think go after him like whether or not we're able to prosecute this guy.”

I don't know maybe there'll be a state charge we can go after but like put a fucking head on a pike man like do some oversight try to scare some other people out of doing this shit because like we've talked about a lot of new fangle corruption here this the Emirati's buying your barely existing you know crypto company or like selling some malania shit going to somebody for the guitar he's giving you a jet the jet didn't didn't get the return on that investment.

No they did not they could have used that jet so back he was a jet make sure we've been goes our way yeah heads up by the way yeah yeah we'll send up we'll see you said we'll send some cock over to fix the fucking rosewood guitar. I got some good guys for countertops to fix the fair mont unbelievable the Lewandowski stuff it's such old school corruption like I need a kickback I need to be a special advisor on the contract for this you know when Trump

White House officials are going on background to NBC being like this was brazen and crazy we didn't like that for an even Trump is apparently annoyed with Lewandowski which might maybe he won't

“give him the party. That's why it's like let's not assume he's going to pardon everybody like”

maybe he will maybe he won't but like make him do it. Oh yeah I don't what I think you're right like if he does pardon me pardon him but we gotta just we have to live that's a concession to him before we've even begun you gotta go into it. Get the documents this episode is sponsored by better help whether you're dealing with anxiety depression conflict

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want new leadership goes on to say that Murphy, Tina Smith and Elizabeth Warren, a part of a group known as Fight Club who complained about Schumer on a signal group chat, particularly his strategy of favoring more centers candidates in the midterm primaries which you guys think of this piece. So Murphy then says actually that's misremembering what the conversation was. In fact,

with caucus and I support Schumer. There's something I was with Warren was less so sure. I think

she was like I'm not going to say whether I support her. Here's what I got to the end of it.

“And I think like the idea that he's supporting more centers candidates, I do think is like a new”

line of criticism or new where then some of the others. But the rest go back to the to the shutdown and his ability to communicate. And what I can tell is according to people that have a problem Chuck Schumer. What a different leader produced different outcomes or what a different leader be a better communicator about the same outcomes. And I think the inability to kind of clearly answer that question is why would ever friction there is or desire for a new leader culminates in just

people pitching in a signal group chat. Yeah, there's like the inside game in the outside game, right? Like the inside stuff we don't really see. It's like how we keep members on sides and organizes things and deals with the caucus. Like there are Democrats, there are senators who we like and respect. We'll call you after this episode properly and say Chuck's really good at that stuff. The outside stuff like we see the media, the candidate recruitment, the fundraising.

“Then clearly Chuck Schumer is not the best messenger. I think he would can see that and he's”

tried to put forward other younger leaders. But that kind of needs leads. The question will why not just have one of them be the leader, right? The fundraising is clearly off. I think that the candidate recruitment is a thing that's bothered a lot of people because it feels like he's thumbing the scale in ways and states that is unnecessary if not antagonistic to voters. Like let those voters in those states decide. And it makes you wonder if this is about who can really win in these states

or who will endorse Chuck Schumer as leader in these states if they win. Because a lot of the new members are not doing that. And so there's also the basic like gerontocracy issues. Like the guys really old and like he was able to recognize with that which oh Biden, Chuck Schumer, famous so you're right, drove the Delaware, told Joe Biden to drop out. He was the reason behind that. But he's not really looking in the mirror there. And like I do think you're right though the counter

argument is people are really mad about Donald Trump. They want someone to blame so you blame the leaders we have. But that doesn't necessarily take into account their actual capacity to stop Donald Trump when he has a trifecta. Could someone do more with the same cards? I don't know. To me this boils down to one question which is like, I do not expect anyone to ask Chuck Schumer between now and November. Nor do I think I was doing Chuck Schumer

between now and November would lead to any kind of appreciable difference in any of the outcomes for Democrats. I do think and I remember having this conversation with Dan on some pod probably many times. Like if you know if the Democrats don't take back the Senate, then you almost expect Democrats to have a new leader right between 20 what six and 28. But he was like Dan said oh if but if we win if Democrats have a win the Senate then maybe like Schumer stays on

and be in his majority leader one last time until he potentially retires in 28 or something else. That I think is worth a serious conversation about even if the Senate Democrats, even if Democrats win the Senate, is Chuck Schumer really the guy that you want to be leader between the midterms and the presidential. Because I think that is a perfect time for a new leader and you don't have to and you don't have to go back and you know debate whether you could have had this outcome or that

outcome based on the various shutdown things and all that. All I have to say is like look we are

heading for his 28 is the most important thing to elect a Democratic president. We need our best

messengers out there is leaders and Chuck Schumer is getting up there and do we really need a more two more years let alone six more years of Chuck Schumer is Democratic leader at that point.

“Yeah I think that's a good no brainer we do not want to go into the most important presidential”

election since the last one with a leader that represents like we need to be representing change. People not represent change ironically though I think it's Senate Democratic Senate candidates and at least 13 states have either come out against Chuck Schumer or refuse to endorse Schumer. The more successful we are in these midterms the more people that will be in the Senate that have either explicitly said they will not support him or even under pressure knowing

that they want Schumer support people like Tolrico have refused to say they would endorse him. Now I think at a certain point you want people that will just say no I'm not going to be for Chuck Schumer we need somebody different just because that's the kind of like I don't know want people that are already worrying about how to kind of keep everybody on side but at the very least he has a huge problem in the success or failure. And like I think the

the complaints about the recruitment you know because both ways like I I think Chuck Schumer

getting Roy Cooper to run in North Carolina when maybe he didn't want to at first was like a

big win getting Mary Piltole and Alaska to run great. Now if he wanted to recruit Haley Stevens and Michigan and Janet Mills and Maine like that's fine it's not the recruitment

I know he couldn't be really for certainly for Mills he is. Janet Mills like like yeah I

think actually recruiting Janet Mills is great and and a coup for him and credit to him but yeah they formed a joint fundraising committee with the DSCC and Haley Stevens is similar like

“I think there's a lot of good candidates in that field it is not clear to me that she is”

the strongest candidate but any means but I'm almost positive that there have been like DSCC or party events and fundraisers that have included her or her campaign and you just have to wonder why and I will say that this is not I mean Chuck Schumer it gets a lot of the blame for this but you know you wait into the the online wars and there's a lot of democratic strategies out there who just us we're just assuming assuming that Mills and Stevens are the most

selectable candidates and the strongest candidates and those races and it's like not even a

question to them and I'm like really are you that sure? Yeah that's my take like everyone's going to be like oh you guys are you know endorsing grandpa I don't know like we're saying let the voters a main vote let people on Michigan vote that will help us determine who this strongest candidate is if you can't win the primary you're probably not the strongest candidate. Have it just have a just a just a dose of humility after you've worked on several of the presidential campaigns

over the last decade that haven't come up a little short is what I would say. Speaking of giving a democratic leadership a glow up uh Lauren Egan at the ballwork is that with a piece headline thirst traps over think tanks. Dems want hotter candidates on the ballot. She has a bunch of

Democrats using to her about how we need more uh lookers I don't know. We need we need hotter candidates

like a John Ossoff and AOC on the ballot. Tommy you recently referred to Ossoff as a piece of ass on the show. I agree with Lauren. I stand by that. I say it again he's a piece of ass. Look the man's uh weight taller in person than I expected. It's got a jawline that you could use as a ruler. Great hair. Great to meaner. Great hair. Uh huh. Look I I like that all the way up.

“Legs to go all the way up. Is the key to winning uh quote run more hot people like the article says”

maybe this is like a like counterpoint Donald Trump. I know I know not hot not hot. I think we could look I think there's a big space between uh someone between say a Hollywood 10 and a Delaware 86 you know what I'm saying? And the the problem right like uh uh there's like talk about damn like uh there's a strange like there's a strange like like the way like hotness and ideology like they're like the the like Bernie uh beloved figure right uh I'd say he's

look uh you know I don't think you would call it traditionally hot you know right now where he's that now maybe is a young man so handsome handsome yeah you see some of those pretty handsome he's handsome but uh uh Pete Hanks that would be traditionally considered to be good looking one would say I don't find him particularly he's a hot to me. I think it's a yeah I think it's like one asset out of Medi right like you can it's nice to really you can win the presidency without being hot Donald Trump. But I do think

“because you because he's so fucking charming you know and I think Lauren said centerpiece there's like”

political science around this that attract him does does help candidate yeah you know who is hot Saddam Hussein look Google young Saddam he could get it uh Castro famously hot yeah yeah you could you could you could help you guys his son in Canada elect his oh yeah or uh now with Katy Perry take the coup but maybe you're a bad lady there is some truth to this right I mean like how many times have you had friends in your life or just normies would be like oh yeah I

Gavin Newsson he's the good looking one or what our many have said about. Brock Obama clearly benefited from being perceived as young and good looking and cool and that was part of the appeal bill Clinton as well um that genosuff has clearly has had a glow up no doubt with the last several years it is funny that no one in the story we go on the record saying that AOC is hot there's a reverse gender thing we were so really she is beautiful yeah and I don't know why it's like

weird for people to say that it's just a compliment I get I get the people don't want to like objectifier and there's gender corporate like she's she's beautiful I'll check the by John Ossuff and I have no problem what does that mean right I think it's sort of in the context of our conversation but I think if you know what the article is and someone's like uh I talk about hey I haven't journalist on the bill work talk about AOC's appearance oh no thank you let me know

how the music goes we can talk about it here because we're giving ourselves the context of saying all the guys are hot yeah it's clipped for guys are all the guys are just look at all these eminently fuckable guys you know Bernie's best ass I did you feel sitting across from Josh Purrell what look all the say I you know I asked him about this I think there's a lot of Jewish mothers um that would love to have their daughters bring home a guy like Josh and some

knows how to dribble a basketball does he uh up yeah okay did you guys play hoops it's a pretty quick look I came up in the book didn't come up in the actual experience

arm strength I could get the ball high enough to hit the hoop and I can get I can obviously pitch forward but I couldn't get that parabola going right probably because you were thinking you need

“to get a parabola going and that's what I'm talking about this coverage did you guys see”

that um this uh J.B. Pritzker uh spoke at the grid iron dinner and he's he's on the shot I got here you hear his joke that he's puts the gov in we govie yeah he puts the gov in we govie

good for him good job for him here's the thing every time I read an article about the grid iron

and it's like and then the journalist did something something set to the something from Chicago I'm like how is this a thing that still exists in the world this sketch is part of that event is insane it's crazy a bunch of journalists get together with politicians then they make up skits and songs and they perform them it's like what the fuck is so it's white tie white what is white tie even it means tails I guess right it's what is the most it's a lot of never longer coat with tails never as

technically at you're supposed to have a different kind of shoe you can't have a task you would not attack you would have to that's a that's a dinner jacket you would have to drug me to go to that event

“you have to you have to you have to maduro me people you just yeah you just you just wake up and”

in white tales of the text that's what's going on that's a matter of getting into what I get for

guys just then you're door and all of a sudden you're gonna get right out here you put this on you're fucking john's hot guy didn't watch Lyn's sweet sing it worse well we're that we're a pro Lyn's weed podcast for sure yeah he's a person who came to my heart a lot of these traditions began before television yeah and it used to be at night it just got dark in your house and maybe it read a book and so people went out more yeah you know great iron okay um i'm gonna

yell my segue to this next uh section was ruined by our conversations so i'm just gonna say um on the subject of the midterm if hey if we can't if we can't find hot candidates this is not to say that we don't have plenty of hot candidates running in the midterm yeah uh it's a good time to remind everyone about project two eighteen which is votesiva america's big push to help take the house back again with candidates were hot not hot and we're between to recap we're asking

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head to no kings dot org to find an event near you make a plan to go bring friends post some pictures I have a picture so that'll be a sign so you'll see some of that. I just hope you stream change begins at home. You've kept your sign from 2004 about bush and your restaurant. You can dust it off and bring

“regime change begins at home. I think I've still think it's like a bumper sticker I think that uh”

I'm not as heavy to sad for the very true statement. Yeah that's been around for a long time. All right one last thing before we get to love its conversation with Leah um we got to talk about Donald Trump dancing on Robert Robert Mueller today if we do. After the news on Saturday that the former FBI director and special counsel died at 81 after a fight with Parkinson's disease Trump and his White House posted the following statement. Good. I'm glad he's dead. He can no longer

hurt innocent people. Uh incredibly that wasn't the only depraved comment Trump made involving death and one of his perceived enemies when he was asked Monday morning about the resignation of his former counterterrorism chief Jo Kent the president said quote "I'm not a fan of the guy. His wife was killed. He remarried fairly quickly. I feel like Trump might not be a good person. I think if we all just grown numb to this now. Just a just real quick Jo Kent's wife was killed

while serving uh the U.S. military in Syria by a suicide bomber. So that's the context. Yeah in which he made that comment. Got married too quickly just like he said that about Thomas Massey. This is from a guy who would bring a date to Melania's funeral. Okay. Right. Yeah. For sure. 100%. Yeah. Walker by the golf course grave of his previous wife.

That's where I put that one. I saw I saw the Trump's comment and I was like my first reaction was

you know Bob Mueller died and now like all of the stories about his death have to include the president of the United States issuing this jackass fucking comments so his family and friends have to all deal with that. Number two and now everyone's going to do like the Charlie of course. We all live through the Charlie Kirk thing and J.D. Vance just told people to fire you know people who worked for them and who you know said celebrated Charlie Kirk's death and you know

there was a whole government wide effort to hunt down people and cost them their jobs over potentially celebrating or not grieving properly for Charlie Kirk and now we're doing this again.

through all of this which is not celebrating any deaths. Right. And by the way like not

not celebrating death is not an act of civility. I'm not saying I feel happy when my enemies

“died but I pretend not to as a means of projecting the morals I think we should have like”

not judging people for what they're actually feeling. What I'm my feeling what I what I see when people kind of celebrate someone's death is actually like when someone dies and and they did bad things. I'm not talking about people that are that are actively in the midst of doing horrible things. Their death relieves people of pain, abuse and tyrants, whatever. But like to celebrate someone you know like dying is to act as if dying is a kind of justice that they're

getting justice but that can't be true because everybody dies and what you're really doing when

you celebrate the death of your enemies. You're actually just avoiding facing the injustice that

happened when they were alive. You're coping with the fact that you don't believe they faced what they deserved when they walked among the living. And so like I think about what happens when Donald Trump will inevitably die and there will be a crazy debate befitting Donald Trump in which our whole country is sort of caught up in this very kind of notion of it's okay that people are happy that he's dead and celebrating in the streets. Feel like that that Bob Mueller tweet from

Trump will be back on the rotation when this happens. But but to treat this I think a lot of what will people will be feeling that kind of like will be a kind of a a grief about all the damage that was done and our failure to stop it and to get justice when somebody was walking around. And so

like to celebrate death is to act as if it won't come for all of us and that's just bad for the

soul and it's bad for the world and so I just want no part of it who ever dies. That's my that's my take on this and they might they might express that feeling with like a party hat and one of

“those like you know like that's what they're thinking. Yeah I'm not good looking. I'm not gonna say”

I'm gonna go out. It's just look I look I you've been consistent on this like you took a day off when the eye I told it was guilt and you didn't come in that day and I think that's you know that's commendable. Yeah look I you were grieving I laid yeah stop. You see those tweets go through and you're just like we need to just know the cycle wrong. So it's exhausting it's exhausting. It's exhausting. He you know what I'm at the fun I'm at this point where I'm like say I want to say I guess like he's the biggest

he's the worst person in the world he happens to be our president he's dancing on the grave of like a purple heart winning you know American citizen who served as FBI director. That's self-evidently terrible you know the hypocrisy is exhausting like you know Fox News did a month of coverage of Charlie Kirk insults and yet Fox as far as I can tell like did not air a single story about Donald Trump's tweet and then you know the daily wire today unironically had up a story with the headline

Redhead and deja vu Sarah Sanders kicked out of Arkansas restaurant flipped off by staff for those who weren't as turmoil online as we are in 2018 a restaurant called a Redhead and asked Sarah Huckabee

“Sanders to leave the restaurant because there are a bunch of I think LGBT employees who didn't want”

a surfer and this became a huge thing right so like the civility please come out whenever Democrats do anything in Republicans and their silent when Republicans do things to Democrats and it's just like it's so exhausting in frustrating to even have to call out hypocrisy and I just don't know. The thing I thought was interesting about this one and this is all similar to one about Rob Reiner is it is so indefensible so when you end up with as a lot of anger and outrage of Trump's direction

and all these people deflecting but I saw like Brit Hume said something which was like this is what makes people not just a post Trump but hate Trump and I think that's true it is true but but even that is kind of like this is bad strategy this is bad politics and it's actually what this also does is prove all the people that oppose him and hate him that hit that they're right and that really it's done something terrible by embracing someone so obviously morally unfit so

so kind of broken and is so kind of what's gotten about the Rob Reiner thing she says so many examples like this and it's also like it is I think it's tempting for those people to be like oh he says things and he's an asshole but like no no no no the same thing in Trump that makes him post that about Bob Mueller or about Rob Reiner is the thing that makes him talk about war right now in Iran as like we like syncing the ships the navy love with its fun to syncing and we'll bomb the

more and it's funny and we're going to kill another one and like when you someone who devalues human life like Trump obviously does who has the power that Trump has was his finger on the fucking button yeah that's it's all it's all connected guys how many of you have quoted Margaret Thatcher saying character is destiny I I stupidly internalize that I've come to believe that there's truth in that that character is destiny that over time your character reveals something

important about you and becomes what your life amounts to I actually stupidly thought you agreed

got best in getting asked about it on me the best no oh my god oh he'll get so he's he yeah you know

“well girl asked him about it and he's like well I think people have to understand what Bob Mueller”

put Donald Trump through I mean and she's like I'm sorry but what you agree with the same he's like I think the people just need all he could say is he put through Trump a lot like the fact that you're like a fucking grown man who had a real like and this is what you're reduced to sitting on meet the press and like just just dismissing this the Trump administration made Bob Mueller the special counsel you guys selected him it just need to look what what Trump said about Bob Mueller

what he said about Joe Kent it's sort of like equally despicable and the common thread is those were people who opposed Donald Trump in some way and Joe Kent as of like five days ago was Donald Trump's employee and just like you know it doesn't matter what Bob Mueller did to Donald Trump over the course of several years of investigation it's binary it's like you're with me or you're against me I got a little excited maybe I shouldn't thinking about someone some journalist sitting

down with JD Vance and starting the question by reminding him of what he said after Charlie Kirk died and what he said about people who were celebrating and then asking him about Trump and Bob Mueller and seeing what JD Vance says see how he does this this slippery prick he'll he'll start scolding and yeah this is what you want to talk about with everything else that's going I can't just you want to add a question because he'll just you know I want like a good a good

sit down with someone where he's like stuck for 20 minutes. I really I like I it's just like you're right that it kind of needs almost like you maybe it does at this point need to be actually explained why rooting for people's death is bad maybe we do need collectively to actually talk about it

“but no I like I'm with you I think it's bad too no I know you do that's what yeah we were we were all”

there for Charlie Kirk and we got we got shit but it's almost like I actually want the camera I want someone to talk to JD Vance about like the worth of a human soul and like what happens after we die and what we root for like what is the purpose of being alive and like who gets to be

celebrated and what lives are worthy it's just that we're at like a kind of first principal

thing because the president of the states is a moral fucking monster yeah yeah a whole bunch of people are working for them all right when we come back from the break strict scrutiny is lea liaemen pots of america is brought to you by zip recruiter what's the latest trend in hiring skills base hiring which emphasizes capabilities over education and direct experience who needs education anymore according to experts this leads to faster hiring and better job performance if you're an employer

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crooked meet your match on zip recruiter joining me now to discuss today's supreme court hearing on mail invoiting is strict scrutiny's lea lia men lia welcome back to the pot thanks for having me so the supreme court heard oral arguments today for Watson v rnc it's an elections case where the republican national committee is arguing that federal law prohibits ballots received after election day from being counted even if they're postmarked before or on election

day can you tell us a bit about how this case reached the court and what the rnc is arguing sure so the rnc brought this case challenging a Mississippi statute that allows the state to count ballots that are cast at postmarked on or by election day so long as they're received within five days of election day um a lower court trial judge said get the fuck out of here right that argument is ludicrous it would literally call into question early voting election law

practices for the last 200 years et cetera and then the juniors is on the u_s_ court of appeals for the fifth circuit three of Donald Trump's court of appeals appointees said you know what actually federal law does make it illegal to count absentee ballots that are received after election day that theory would disabilize election laws in more than half the states i think 29 some states and so because they're ruling had such sweeping implications the supreme court

“basically had to take this case and that's how it got up here the argument is federal law”

that just says the Tuesday next after the first Monday and November is established as the day

for the election their theory is that federal law makes it illegal for states to count ballots

with whether or not that would also mean votes cast before election day would be counted also

it's not clear if election day is the day if you can count votes say after midnight if you turn into a gremlin if you count votes after midnight and they are gremlins so

“I think that's kind of non-unique but sure now are the officials in Mississippi defending this case”

not also Republicans they are and part of what is so striking is that you have the prospect that both the federal government and i think at least three justices through Republican appointees if not more are more anti voting rights than the state of Mississippi that is the state of our union so there was some desensis between the conservative justices what was what was the kind of arguments you were hearing from say a lito and Thomas versus what you were hearing from say

Kavanaugh and Barrett so a lito Thomas and Gorsuch seem to be totally megapiled like their brains had just been marinating in Fox News and were regurgitating anti absentee ballot talking points so just a silito referred to you know the confidence you can have once you turn your ballot over to the postal service and whatnot honestly just this

“Kavanaugh sounded like he was more in that camp than in the middle so he was throwing out concerns”

about if the apparent winner the morning after the election ends up losing due to later arriving ballots one that undermine confidence and shouldn't we fashion a rule based on that again eating up the kind of talking points from the 2020 presidential election and then you had justices Barrett and the chief saying some of that but then also saying well federal government aren't see wouldn't your theory also call into question the ability of people to cast early ballots early in

person voting wouldn't it also call into question why states can even continue to count ballots after election day even if they were received on our before election day like why does it have to be that receipt happens on or before election day but nothing else has to happen then like that's just non-sensical so they seem to be the ones that are going to dictate the outcome in that case and I will breathe aside relief if they end up rejecting the federal government

and the RNC theory but it is just so scary that we are living in a world where it is possible that the Supreme Court at the end of June is going to announce this decision that could again nullify voting laws and practices just a few months before the midterms in over half of the

election and craft a rule that would have disenfranchised almost a million voters in the 2020

for election didn't Kevin although question whether doing that would be feasible to need raise some

“concerns about about that or am I am I being too optimistic tell me I think your interpretation”

is very generous I think what Kevin I was doing was a tell me why I'm right tell me why this isn't a concern question because what he asked the lawyer for the RNC was would there be a problem under the so-called per cell principle if we announced this decision for the upcoming midterms. The per cell principle is this idea that the court has selectively invoked that suggests courts shouldn't change the rules to close to an election less they risk voter confusion and whatnot

but the advocate for the RNC said no no problem right just like hand out this bad boy at the end of June and upend election rules for an election that's going to happen in November no big deal and just as Kevin I didn't push back on that and the reality is this court has really selectively invoked that principle so it has invoked per cell when courts try to protect voting rights

basically it's always too close to an election to do something that protects voting rights

but it's never too close to an election to do something that would help Republicans you know they allowed the 11 circuit to change the voting rules in Florida almost a week you know before that states primary they have allowed you know other you know decisions to go into effect that again work equally to benefit Republicans but not decisions that actually improve multiracial democracy or made it easier to cast a ballot so it's hard for me to think that he's actually going

to apply that principle in a more even-handed way so I agree that when California takes forever to count ballots and during that process suddenly you go from a Republican winning to a Democrat winning that that creates an impression that leads people to question whether things are fair even if they are entirely fair and there is no evidence to just they aren't fair but presumably it's a bad policy it's a bad policy but presumably this Supreme Court doesn't believe

federal law should be made to a swage false concerns they're trying to interpret what the law says

a foul of federal election law or are they June you're a week sweet summer child I know spring out no I hear you coming so yes I mean this theory would suggest that many elections over the last 200 years have been conducted in illegal ways and you know you express surprise at the idea that they would indulge the suggestion that these false claims or false

notions of voter fraud could actually alter the election rules when the reality is they've actually

embraced that idea before you know in a decision from seven years ago about the Voting Rights Act Justice Alito writing for all of the Republican appointees said states have an interest in protecting the appearance of legitimacy in an election even if there's zero actual evidence of fraud and that was the same idea that you had Justice's Kavanaugh and Alito reverting back to a bunch during this argument about absentee ballots well isn't it fair for the state to basically

adopt rules or the federal government to adopt rules in order to combat the appearance of impropriety even again if that's not rooted in reality but you know that's not how you usually

interpret federal statutes you know under our constitutional system states are supposed to be able

to be the primary rule setters on elections and they seem willing to kind of abandon federalism to abandon textualism you know in favor of something like what about is um right well because the state has an interest in making their elections fair it would the state would be the one trying to protect their electoral leaders perhaps one way they're trying to make sure the elections are fair is by counting allowing people to vote right you know that and that would be there that would be

right this is this is about you surfing the states prerogative to oversee the elections but but but you basically what you saw today leads you to think that this is right now on the edge but there could be five votes to protect uh the counting of absentee ballots and the fact that it's

“close is incredibly uh terrifying that's what I heard I think that's what other Supreme Court”

watchers also heard and just to pick up on one thing you said you know of course the fact that

states take so long to count ballots that's not a good thing but the reality is invalidating

these state rules that allow the counting of absentee ballots that's not going to fix the problem because it still takes states a lot of time to count ballots that are received on or before election day you know we need to be able to invest more resources in order to give states the ability to process the counting of ballots you know some states don't even allow officials to begin counting ballots until a certain point and so this decision is not going to

address all of the bogeyman and the fears they're trotting out it is just straight up voter suppression speaking of straight-up voter suppression presidents on a tear here he's trying to get the Congress to pass the save act a restrictive voter ID bill to require Americans to write proof of citizenship at the moment it seems unlikely that the bill can pass Congress it's even as of today Trump was trying to get some of the funding measures tied to the save act

trying to get everything all together the Senate leaders are throwing cold water on that because there aren't the votes to to pass this one part of the contention has been around what this

“would do to I believe it's pronounced women women who are married now on one side they say well”

there are Democrats are spreading misinformation about this on the other it's truly not clear what happens to women whose birth certificates and legal name are not the same because they got married what actually happens if this becomes law and what would what would be the odds that it would face a lot of legal hurdles to actually going into effect yeah I mean happy women's history month ladies you might not be able to vote very soon but yes so you know various provisions

of the law require you to be able to present an identification you know that matches your name when you go to vote and so married women who change their names you know when they get married might have an identification where their birth certificate or their passport you know doesn't align with their married name and so they would be prevented from voting under the save act but it's not just married women you know a lot of people change their names for a variety of

reasons same sex couples you know they change their names when they get married on individuals you know change their names for family personal reasons and this law just threatens to disenfranchise large swass of the population and that seems to be the goal you know I'm glad you put the

“save act together with this case because I think we should understand this as really all a coordinated”

effort to suppress voter turnout make it more difficult to vote you know this is part of their

part of that uh suing for voter data and potentially deploying ice agents right those are also voter suppression tactics the pending case about the future of the voting rights act that's another voter suppression measure and so they are trying to throw everything they can you know at the wall in order to hold on to power because they recognize that nobody fucking likes them yeah yeah uh speaking of uh people who are not being linked I wanted to talk to you about this story

so last weekend and you talked about this a bit on uh strict scrutiny a federal judge Biden

appointee absolutely tore into some DOJ attorneys in New Jersey in a courtroom uh basically

had a a Trump lawyer removed from court threatened to have him dragged out of the court then gave that that that lawyer a second opportunity to leave on his own volition and opportunity he uh took

“what happened and is it now resolved because of what took place today?”

I cannot begin to convey the insanity of what has been happening in the U.S. attorney's office for New Jersey um imagine G.T.L. but like on ketamine and it's like the legal version of that so you know they appointed Jim Tan lawyer you know so great Jim Tan lawyer um they appointed Lian Haba U.S. attorney federal judge has said no that's illegal then they created this new leadership structure that they referred to as the trifecta or the triumvirate where three individuals were

supposedly running the office another federal judge said no no no that's illegal and the problem with making all of these illegal appointments is if you have an illegally appointed prosecutor then the cases that they bring have to be thrown out and so it was jeopardizing public safety, law enforcement, law and order and so all of these judges were like guys just fucking get your act

“together and accept you know the lawfully appointed U.S. attorney because under federal law the”

judges basically have the power to select a U.S. attorney for a district after a certain period

of time and that was what the Trump administration was resisting so in this particular case it involved a defendant who had been indicted for a child pornography events and because the U.S. attorney's office is just not functioning apparently the U.S. attorney's office entered into a plea deal with this defendant without actually searching the defendant's phone they agreed to a sentence before actually looking at all of the defendant's phone and once they looked it had even more

child sexual abuse material on it but because they had entered this plea agreement they were kind of stuck to it and this judge was pissed off he was like what are you doing and also why are you insisting on imposing a sentence when you are running a U.S. attorney's office that might not

even be lawfully structured so this transcript was basically my ASMR I would strongly recommend

to people reading it for themselves you know at the end of the transcript the judge basically says in a single year you have squandered all the credibility that the Department of Justice has built up over decades and it does seem to have been resolved in the sense that the U.S. attorney's office in New Jersey is now being run by the individual that was selected according to the statutory procedures by these federal judges and so what that would mean is now there's a lawful appointment

structure in place and so all of these plea agreements all of these criminal cases are going to be called into question you know as to whether the individuals who stayed at the U.S. attorney's office including you know some individuals who came in under Trump you know can dot their eyes and cross their tease and do law remains to be seen but this does actually solve some of the problems at least yeah just so people understand basically if the the role of U.S. attorney is vacant

because it's a conformable Senate conformable position the law says that if it's open there can only be a temporary appointment by the administration for so long before the judges appoint someone in their stead because there are real powers that are associated with job and they have

“to go somewhere and you have to know who that person is and Trump is trying to get around this by”

kind of continuously appointing temporary people and the fear would be that those prosecutions not only was it's usurping Congress and the judge in the role of the courts and what they what they've what Congress has assigned to the courts but it would mean that these prosecutions could ultimately be in jeopardy they were fighting and fighting and fighting it seems like they've as of today as of this recording basically given up the fight it's of it is does seem like a

genuine victory for the federal courts over the Trump administration it really does and this is an area where the federal courts held the line and basically refused to back down and you know in

and so hopefully they actually stick to this and are willing to accept you know the statutory

“procedures and other U.S. attorney's offices as well. Leah before we go one last question Donald”

Trump over the weekend said that he was happy that Robert Mueller had died he said good my God because you didn't like him do you ever allow yourself to root for the death of people that you don't like or do you know how bad that is for the human soul what where are you at you know

I have some sense that that is bad for the human soul because basically when I saw that tweet

I forced myself to think about okay when Donald Trump inevitably dies like what will you say and what will you think and nothing remotely like the truth he posted about Robert Mueller remotely entered into my lexicon even though this is someone whose policies and behavior have affected vast suffering right untold deaths human consequences and still like I just don't think

that is a normal human reaction it's sociopathic yeah yeah yeah death is injustice we all die you know

“that's how I feel about it it comes for everybody so how do you celebrate it you just all still”

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having me that's our show for today thanks to Leah for coming on Dan and I will be back with

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