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welcome to put save america i'm john february i'm john love it time to be torn i'm damn february happy labor day everyone we took Monday off but wanted to give you a pod because we love you and which is why we're going to try to answer all of your burning questions about the midterms twenty twenty eight and dance in care routine what are we doing what's our peptide situation peptides no peptides no test can't related to that skin care related to this whole boy guys we don't know what a peptide is I feel like it could be anything oh I need to know what it is now put it on my skin every day was like we're

there's there's there's there's topical peptides but it's a San Francisco we're all the life hackers are what's that guy's name Brian Johnson one is measuring his

“boner i think he's put off a lot of the evidence is being fit now i say it's probably better for great anyway great we're leaving answer questions you didn't ask we're good”

that's part of it uh and then after we answer some questions uh Shaniko McLendon our fearless leader votes of america will talk through the best ways to volunteer to help take back the house and send it now that we are in the final midterm sprint can you believe it uh all right you guys ready to answer some questions anyone can say yes yes no first one comes from Vanessa on Facebook is there anyone that can stop this orange piece of shit three exclamation points Vanessa from Facebook i just thought i'd put that one first

because that's just a tenor of the questions we get from Facebook around zone a pretty good job

yeah yeah so far i think the answer is no i think um heart disease has always got a shot

oh yeah all right the father time will get there eventually sort of you know the hardness of the veins yeah sort of got some salt in the end anyway uh you know it's twenty twenty six almost twenty twenty seven so pretty soon we won't be asking that question hmm hopefully you think then what happens oh then we'll we get to we get real jobs yeah probably all right subscriber cats oh one of our subscribers what are gonna be the main things you're hoping to learn or have tested

in the midterms as we head into twenty twenty eight this is a great great question great question

“tell me what do you think uh i think a bunch of things that we're all kind of watching for um”

for example uh data centers it's a thing people are talking about it seems to be really politically salient what no just my data centers i think people are talking about it's wasted it's accurate uh it's a real like hot button issue politics and i think we'll find out if it's a thing people are voting yeah i think we'll find out if there's a progressive penalty and if so how much whether you know kind of have DSA candidates or left candidates do against a national average

and then everyone will look at those numbers and then um use them to confirm their priors going into the twenty twenty eight primary uh we'll figure out uh about online scandals uh populism versus moderation right populist i mean like Rob Sandout and Iowa more of a moderate yeah it's a lot

“interesting things we learn from elections i think Dan what are you looking for i think Tommy hits”

on the real problem which is this is a election that we hope is taking place in a democratic wave a lot of people who may not win in other years could win this year that will then be used to suggest that everything that they did is right as as we know it's obviously easier to learn from

the elections you lose in the ones you win although that's never the outcome you really want

i'm interested in some more granular nerdy stuff about like testing new

Democrats out there experimenting with new ways of communicating new ways of organizing

and having ways to measure the efficacy of that to see if it actually worked in move numbers love it you got any i yeah that that i mean you think you'll hit on it there's been more discussion about ending the senate than why Democrats can't compete in real areas and i do think we'll learn about whether a candidate that is you know center left but not running as a Democrat like what does that teach us about you know competing like what's going to happen with Dan

Osborne how does that look versus what happens in Iowa like i'm interested in that and where through the democratic brand stands at the end of this you guys hit most of the ones on my list but i have how close dems will be to try to try to affect it if we win the white house in 2021 like

what could what's the upper limit on a possible majority what's that looking like and and just as

part of that how like how important is john fetterman right and how much has he become the main character of our politics for a while yeah uh turn out level of enthusiasm among dems which demographic groups swung back to democrats since 2024 if any hopefully um very interested to see what happens in Texas state of blue Texas um to Tommy's point about if they're

“progressive penalty just like adults performance in michigan i think is key like does he you know”

if he wins does he win by the same amount that other michigan democrats do or other national democrats do or not um also if there are any new any any states that maybe are not thought of as competitive tough states now or competitive swing states now but maybe long shots worth investing in for the twenty twenty eight campaigns like if we suddenly pull out a win in Iowa or Alaska Iowa or Ohio yeah right so i'm kind of looking at that and then just on the republican side

Trump's approval in the exits uh republican dropoff from twenty two uh the last midterm and then um you know if there are public and candidates who surprise us and either do better than expected or outright win competitive seats like what's their formula what do they look like which we worried about for twenty twenty eight it'll also be funny to see how much of Trump's super packed money uh he spans

he is what four hundred million of that and you know areas you spent just a dollar yeah that's a fun

one to look like the thing you mentioned John that's interesting is what's like the lectures like this can tell us what are the next states that come on to the presidential map because in 2006 we won senate races in Virginia and Indiana um which we would then go ahead and win in 2008 so smart this is this will be really interesting to watch subscriber shibbles and bits I can't do it for very good a handful of candidates in statewide races Texas South Carolina

Tennessee have refused to debate their opponents do you think the importance of the election debate

“is waning Dan start with you this is a bit of a paradox but I think the penalty for skipping”

debates has been greatly diminished as the power of the traditional media to hold candidates accountable has drained but the opportunity costs for not doing debates has gone way up because it's so hard to break through to have any event you do any moment in a campaign that can actually break outside the political media bubble and debates are the best opportunity to do that so you can definitely get away with it like people can dress and check in suits and say you

don't want to debate and that won't you won't be haunted in the way you have before but you're leaving a lot of opportunity on the table if you don't debate anyone disagree or have anything else to ahead I mean the the argument for it was a primary but the argument for debates not mattering at all is that darling Graham won because she gave one of the worst debate answers I've ever heard which was allow me to flip up on my note pad I don't know the foreign policy

“Katie Habs skipped all those debates remember that was like she was dogged for a while”

members wasn't there an issue of Katie Habs might miss remembering Katie Habs was dodging debates and we were like why should not debating and it worked and for darling the darling Graham one is interesting because it's like it's a counterfactual like would she have won by more if she hadn't just absolutely faced plan in the debate because you did win by a fairly small margin in a state that you know in a very Republican state with Trump's endorsement right you

you have to assume she was declining and in fact if he had had another week would he have been able to kind of do it of that list I find it the Texas is the most interesting to me because South Carolina Tennessee even South Carolina you can argue darling Graham is you know pulling ahead of any Andrews and that's why she's not debating same thing with Tennessee but Texas like pretty tied race if not totally go a little ahead and the idea that

Paxton is just not going to yeah not going to debate you mean do you think that last you seen him speak yeah I know what like yeah it came back it was my best friend I feel like do not debate right you're thinking huh given my candidates record rap sheet and face yeah even we should do this yeah look you up your your your your public acts and private acts are disgusting uh you're terrible at defending them you're not particularly smart you're not charming

Megan from Twitter asks uh how does the party message to voters that even if Democrats

went back the house and the Senate change will be very incremental until we have a demtry factor come twenty twenty nine and still keep people engaged and hopeful love it keep it away uh look we just you know tell people the truth and everybody will have a kind of reasonable discussion about it online and understand the limits of Democratic power and uh not resort to assumptions around DNC being co-opted by billionaires being the reason we've not achieved any of our goals and

and that you say oh if Democrats are so good why don't we have Medicare for all when they control

“the Congress that kind of thing will have for for a while I think we have to I think the fight”

over who came Jeffries and meeting which our Kushner is revealing not because I found the debate

particularly interesting about that specific meeting but because of what it says about people's

low expectations of a came Jeffries right the problem at that moment was not that he had a meeting the problem was that uh people don't trust him to have a set of goals a resolve like a clearer kind of moral compass that's guiding his strategy and so we have these two years and I think sometimes it gets boiled down to like will you fight are you a fighter are you willing to fight right but understanding what the Democratic goals are when they're in the minority what are the investigations

they're going to launch what are the message bills they're going to pass and shove try to shove down Trump's throat or if you don't win this Senate kind of uh lock in the Senate right like those are the places where one lesson over the last several years is that you can't just have a message

“you can't just have even a policy you have to pick fights and have big controversies that”

underscore the difference and to me if we can do that successfully over the next two years while

Democratic candidates are campaigning and competing to develop the platform for the presidential race I think that puts you in a position to say if you go with us uh this is the future that you can have don't we think voters realize the Trump is still president and there's not going to be any change like I feel like it's like a harm avoidance message to the midterms and then 2028 if we win that's when the like you got a deliver problem gets really hard yeah I I'm sure it would hope so I mean that that's

I hope so that's what I've been thinking like no and and look for lesson gauge voters maybe it's like an important message for all the candidates to deliver so so it's not to raise expectations but you like we're not passing anything but the the issue is not right we're not passing anything but the question is like who will own the failure over the next two years right and uh there will be budget bills that like like that is the one place the government funding budget bills is where

rubber meets the road on this and do you shut down the government and hot we're going to be back into the shutting down the government fight and look and fairness this time we have more leverage than when we talked about shutting down the government over the last two years and we still there's still a lot of pressure to shut down the government even though Democrats clearly did not have the leverage that Republicans had because we don't control Congress so now we do control Congress so

what do you do do you shut down the government over you know you can't really do it over ice funding because ice is like now separately funded and and good for several years but like Medicaid cuts are ACA credits or you know do you try to demand something the reversal of some terrible Trump policy and threatened to shut the government down over it if you're the Democrats in charge right like like I think the point the time he's making is right about why aren't we achieving the big changes

we're promising to do in the future yes but in terms of owning the current state of the economy making things feel better not ideologically but just cost of living uh uh uh and all and and just like kind of the daily stakes in in the economy like how to Democrats avoid taking ownership of that when they're kind of sending bills for Trump to veto or sending bills in the sense that I I don't know I actually think it's it's harder than it's hard. Dan you want to jump in?

Yeah I I'm kind of with Tommy that I'm not this is a thing I'm not overly worried about for a couple reasons I don't think it's possible for and there's not a lot of history for congressional majorities in divided government to take real ownership over the economy like I just like you

“can the only way to do it is to would be to shut the government down and a very, very destructive”

and stupid way like you can get rich did and and 90s 95 and 96 and I think you are right John that the places where the pressure will rise on funding is at that moment's government funding and where people will get pissed is if budget deals are cut to avoid that government shutdown even if it is probably in the long run most politically advantageous to us to avoid it you know and depending on how it looks at the moment people will be pissed about that and it's not about

whether you can pass anything it's about what you can stop from Trump the other factor that I think is worth remembering is this is a this is not just like 2020 2019 2020 where the democratic candidates are just campaigning and then there's there's a whole other show over here with

opportunity I like no one paid a look at that in once the democrats like the majority in 2007

there was a bunch of attention early on on some things they did they actually got Bush to sign a minimum wage increase they passed some the really question ethics stuff which Obama was involved in but once you got to the end of 2000 when you get to the end of 2000 to be really the middle of 2007 it was ever was talking about the presidential campaign and that will likely happen here too yeah I know all this discussion about like Jeffries and Schumer and they

right for the moment and this and that like no one's going to care over the next two years it's not going to be any the attention is going to be focused on Congress that is going to be 100% Republican primary successor to Trump the 50,000 Democrats do can get out yeah Congress will be a backdrop

“just in terms of not saying it should be that way not saying that's what matters but like”

in terms of the attention it will get that is probably yeah I wonder also the other the other

part of this is the way Trump uses military funding trump is saying let's say Trump says I am vetoing any budget bill or any funding bill that does not increase funding for the Pentagon now or in a fight over funding for the war you have democrats in the house breaking and joining with her public it like there is I do think that there are some big thorny fights in which democrats start to kind of the one was the Supreme Court justice dies while like let's still the

fucking see back in some moderate democrats are no no no no the normal say the we need you know that this is where this is where the difference between fifty one and fifty two is going to be I know yes okay and this me while as we cruise towards saying that out loud and not knocking out wood as we get to 49 yeah because we want everyone to be healthy right no no because I know I know yes he was a majority not just kidding Nick from Twitter asks Trump's made quite a few

damaging remarks about high prices and data centers this year would it be worthwhile for some democratic pack to highlight these comments and national TV ads how much should Dems prioritize a national media message during these midterms Dan what do you think this is a little bit like should I drive or Ferrari you'd be nice if I had the money to do it but I don't right like we like let's so we don't there we simply do not have the money to run a national campaign at this level

but let's live in hypothetical there would be an argument for doing it not a always on

set of democratic ads are just running national ads but picking a few high leverage moments with like big football games money night football college football games where you would run

“like some national ads that I think it be less about Trump's like trying to drive Trump's numbers”

down from 32 to 31 and more about tying Republicans to Trump like that sort of the message you would want you want to have Trump and Republicans be out of touch and doing nothing about the cost of letting I feel like then did you think you could find the money to run not like a fake ad buy that's just like you run the spot once and then it's only on digital and you're just trying to basically glorify press release but a real national media buy that is like really smartly targeted like

every cycle you read about how one campaign the winning campaign was targeting swing voters on the tennis channel and it was this great cost effective way to have a national buys you buy like above you know you buy some sort of national cable buy you some targeted stuff like tennis channel or bravo or whatever the hell it is and you just try to drive the conversation and salience of this issue up and kind of force it into the zeitgeist a little more I feel like

that's doable I mean you're right though like an LSU game like that's going to be a tough

“tough buy well I think the hard part is the diminishing returns of linear television”

and so the way you would have to do it as you would do connected tele connected TV spending and I guess the one theory the couple approaches here one would be sort of national message other would be you know relatedly national branding or you could theoretically pick a group of people and try to drive an issue with that group of people using very very targeted spending I think that is probably relatively cost inefficient when those people are spread out in districts and

you know all across the country do you think it's prohibitively expensive to run an ad during the like the NFL games the nights of the Republican convention Thursday and Friday where you do like one example I agree with you down on tying Trump to Republicans so per next point you could have Trump comments on data centers and talking about how wonderful they are and great and then you could let people know that every single Republican that voted for

Trump's big beautiful bill not only voted for Medicaid cuts but voted for tax cuts for AI companies that build data centers in rural America which is probably a lot of people don't know and it would educate a lot of folks you would need to run it many times you get people to actually recall it but you could do it and then try to it mostly becomes a glorified press release

it is yeah you have one say night yeah that's you like this is a place to do it you get a lot of

“attention for it and then you could find you could find like a tail effect where you're running”

in other places but the big issue we see is we're going to be massively outspent we are really like and every this is like we talk about the DNC and that's obviously a specific problem but the NRCC the NRSC all have more money in our experience and then the super PAC money presumably Trump spends his money is just like an ungodly spending advantage and so that money is coming from somewhere else right that's coming from a no-high-al-bye and I will buy you know last

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from one of our crooked subscribers hey guys this is Ethan from lovely Lawrence canvas here i'm calling for the mailbag episode i've been seeing an online trend of people posting their favorite campaign ads and the time has come for transparency for truth we need to know who is responsible for the big bird ad from the 2012 campaign on the same topic are there any obama air ads or maybe not obama air ads that you are particularly fond of or not so fond of uh what are your favorite

“political ad you all time thanks and i approved this message i didn't remember this at”

to any of us remember you have a bit of this this was after the debate where the terrible debate uh that were that obama flopped against robney and in that debate one of the things that came up was bromney's position that we should defund PBS so we didn't add with big bird attacking him

for defunding sesame straight and it was basically like like the the idea of the ad was like

big bird is a criminal mastermind and uh you don't want to like like he's he's like menacing and so we've got to cut PBS and the things that we made big deals out of back then huh yeah it was just you know we didn't dog on a car right uh favorite ad least favorite ads from everyone you know as remembering today was uh the microvelle the rock ad there's a lot of this microvelle so yeah so don't don't still my punchline the microvelle stairs into the camera

silently for like 45 seconds and then he walks away he throws rock into a lake and then he walks out of frame it's like a minute and a half long and this was microvelle you ran into in 2008 and then later you ran again all that then like later these two teenage kids took over to her feed they were posting all this kind of like anti establishment anti corporate test anti

I love their long and up revelteens are now yeah man you've got a salmon you did the

adi microvelle you live long enough to become salmon you were saying you love the the Tim Horton ad I'm sorry Willie Horton you love an ad about a Canadian fast food restaurant oh he was saying I thought it's over the Jesse home's black hands white hands ad that's your favorite ad you like the white hands crumbling up a letter about not getting a job yes I don't know I I'm done fun with the ad you're talking about the best ad of the Obama era and possibly

this entire modern era politics is the Mitt Romney singing America the beautiful ad good one really good that's super packed at us and that that was us and it's Mitt Romney saying America beautiful ad an event and I would say not the the appropriate key and so it's just a video of him singing it with all these headlines of you know Mitt Romney's firm since jobs to Mexico and China say to Massachusetts else versus jobs to India just he has a

Swiss bank account and on the facts the sound effects in the ad so it was because it's him singing and then it would cut to those facts and it becomes a sort of echoy hollow version of it it's excellent and defactory yeah reverberation yeah kind of big empty room and then it ends with Mitt Romney is the problem not the solution which is the exact right like just nails the message of that election so perfectly I was just remembering the Hillary Clinton 3a I'm at

“good one remember that was so good Mark Penn are really good ad really good ad I worked”

hey hey everything everything everything losing campaign does isn't wrong all right

basically for those you mean you go you can all look it up but it's someone's getting a call

in the middle of the night and and you can see that they pick up the phone and they're just like it's like a normal person in a house and then but the the whole point of the ad is like when something happens at 3 a.m. in the world some scary thing that happens who do you want picking up the phone Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton and it was supposed to be obviously Hillary Clinton yeah it was it was in the strength plus experience equals change era that's right

uh which of course leads to my favorite fact which is uh change divided by strength plus experience equals one you can't know that the one that was most controversial well that from the McCain side it was uh Barack Obama is the biggest celebrity in the world and that was viewed as some Britney Spears Paris Hill Nums it was a terrible that was so stupid it was just like completely uncontroversial but then on our side we did one about how John McCain is old and it was like John

McCain doesn't know how to use a computer and it's like him attempting to type and Joe Biden I was very involved in that one that was one of the several prepped project of mine and I stand by it to this day I was great right but then it turned out he couldn't use to get because it was because of the torture he experienced it but I can't use a keyboard because I was fucking tortured for this country piece of shit and like a little lot's on this that's a

“watch but I think that one that one that one I was I was like it is when I think of like the”

most effective blue that's though I just do think of Republican attacks and it's like I think of the wolves and that wolf from George W. George W. Bush and George W. Bush watched that wolf

that it is chilling and it is a disgusting bit of misinformation because it it basically relies on

people to not understand that there were or not even consider that there were two attacks on the World Trade Center so it says it says something I'm going to paraphrase it but it's something long lines of like John Kerry didn't stand didn't support security funding after the attack on the World Trade Center and it was meant to be about and it clearly meant to imply 9/11 but it was actually about the 1992 bombing of the World Trade Center so it was disgusting it's just a George W. Bush

gets the kind of patina of not being Trump now but man that campaign they were despicable they did blames it down for 9/11 too so we should be ready for that one yeah all right next question subscriber NH603er how do you guys view the rise of the alt-right groypers that seem to be gaining popularity with younger men the James fishback race in Florida fizzled out but he made real strides with younger voters shouldn't Democrats try to paint the GOP as a party embracing those folks going

“forward it feels like a very real phenomenon unfortunately Tommy I think the huge problem I mean”

Nick Fuente has the kind of leader of the grippers he was barred from CPAC maybe or maybe was TPU essay he was like barred from TPU essay events and really ostracized from the Republican party as recently as like 2021 2022 and then he had dinner with Trump and Kanye and then later much later when I talk to Carlson show and now that kind of like fringe groyper right wing has been

it's a game and he's a big and growing audience and he would sort of embodied by fishback at Florida and his candidacy they got what 10% or something like that I mean did quite well in that primary fishback also I think openly praised and associated with Fuente's there was that Trump aide Paul and Gracia who said I have a quote Nazi streak I think he's still employed there I think there's a conservative journalist named Rod Dreyer who said that he believes 40% of

“mega staffers are grippers so I think the the political piece that's important though as I”

think it's I think it's important not to paint all Republicans or all young men as kind of fringe

not like this I think third way has a pull out from a while back that has Democrats winning

young men overall this is a problem of radicalism within the hard right and it is not one unique to the United States in Germany the AFD is getting like a quarter of men under 25 in the similar levels it's like in the EU like 21% of men under 30 across the EU back right wing populist or far right parties whereas younger women are breaking hard to the left so I think we need to think about yes you know creating a political cost for Republicans being

associated with these far right fringe groups but also think about the issues that are driving people into these parties whether it's anti establishment thinking whether it's anti immigrant sentiment and think about how we calibrate to better reach these people unfortunately because we are in a moment where some of these people will say such extreme things you know fishback said during the campaign that the biggest issue Republicans aren't talking about is white genocide just

“said that he also said if you want to set our kids up for failure you would feed them the absolute”

voice-lop in our cafeterias that is basically I've termed it the a Nazis of a popular conspiracy

that that Jews are feeding non-Jewish masses by giving them low quality food that's that's what you did there which we haven't even started rolling out yet we're still testing it we still voice-lop is actual food it's not just like dumb information well it's it's both right okay I don't think I think yeah there's a lot of different ways you crazy yeah yeah but I think the point is I don't think there's a need to characterize or editorialize or label these people just use their

words just use their words to your point on me because I think sometimes I think I'm also unfortunately your it's calling someone racist anti semi like it has become so frequent over the last several years and in politics sometimes people use those terms and like maybe that you don't know like the severity of what the person has said and these are so severe that I think

just laying the statements out there using these people's own words is probably the most important

thing to do without just short-cutting it or just editorialize it you just put it out there for people yeah I also do think sometimes especially for people that are just hyper-engaged in politics we tend to get the direction wrong between behavior and points of view right we think oh if you persuade people that there's a climate that there's a climate emergency maybe a ride a bike

“but actually the best way to get someone to understand that the climate is important is by”

getting someone to ride a bike and by their behavior they come to kind of reveal their preference and kind of take in the idea that what they're doing is part of their identity and so like yes you can try to persuade people and I think we should but also the path to the like the kind of online right wing extremist path it's also just a path to misery and loneliness right it isolates you from women you want nothing to do with you it leaves you in the kind of

the throws of the Andrew Tates of the world trying to convince you of something that just simply is in true and it's like if you want to live a happy life you just have to get away from this stuff and once you start coming out and sort of engaging with the world and being open to people that you might have thought otherwise wouldn't be you know sort of part of your community all of a sudden you'll realize how stupid and terrible these other views work to and just getting people to like forget what

you forget what your ideology is aren't you unhappy doesn't this suck aren't you miserable being online and angry all the time Susan on Facebook asks if you were advising a democratic presidential campaign how would you recommend they talk about foreign policy in the world should they be talking about improving the United States global standing after Trump I'm going to go to Dan first on this one yeah Dan you got but I got it's this is an easy one one word answer

don't I'm such a fucker I thought I go to Dan first so he would say that it's a good response Dan actually drafted the darling grand answer he said what you say you say you don't know about foreign policy that you're going to win I promise you're going to create make fun of you online they're stupid if she say I don't do foreign policy you're going to beat this fucking congressman

fuck about this boring crap you know that's like more effective actually the people would

alike but whatever she is current you can't say I don't do foreign policy you're currently a senator yeah you're just like lying but you know she actually said one push like I'll read

“up once I get there it's like once you get there you're there yeah I believe you're on some”

very poor committees funny I mean really really briefly I think I would just the number one thing is we got to take back the mantle of being the anti war party it's crazy that we lost that's the Donald Trump especially given what we've seen him do in Iran we need some sort of smart version of what a newly rebuilt USAID would look like I don't think that you can just run it back the same way it's got to be different and then there will be there's going to be

a big conversation about what a democratic party trade agenda looks like that I think is very relevant to people but I don't know that is it's not going to be tariffs but will be repealing the tariffs yes I mean I think so yeah I don't know it should be I mean you hurt your her Jeffries the other day I know I heard new some the other day being like I couldn't guarantee that I would repeal all the tariffs maybe all of them but like 50% tariffs on Canada for no reason I mean there's

a there's a kind of catch-all answer for this kind of question right now which is we're not going to do you know we're not going to repeal things just because Trump did them but we're going to we're not going to leave in place anything anything that he did was dumb and stupid and destructive to the economy but there are some cases where long before Trump we all would have agreed that we need to do something to protect American manufacturing right that's a kind of not unreasonable answer

so your point and about don't I wonder if there's a political case just pure political poultry in case that this election 28 will be similar to 2008 in that you have a president who had just gotten us into a unbelievably unpopular war and you know hated or at least not liked around the world and we actually saw that election that it was not just the right thing to do but like politically useful to talk about foreign policy and like restoring respect for America and

ending stupid wars and investing more in home like it does feel like this is going to be an election where it would be beneficial for the 2028 candidates to talk a little bit about foreign policy I don't know necessarily about like rebuilding our NATO alliances but we don't have to sure mind and save

NATO that's right so let me give a real answer here like I always talk about this because we

were in the White House like you could watch it in focus groups and dial groups that every time Obama was in the midst of a financial crisis every time Obama was doing something on foreign policy that was it ending a war or making America safer like people they would it like people the dials went down people got mad it was a kind like you could see it in all the city unions it was just like was a thing it was a constant battle and the White House about how much foreign policy

for establishing domestic policy you do I think you are correction in a campaign so should we

“still in a war in Iran foreign policy is going to matter and you have to at the top east point”

be the anti-war party you we have to like there there is a space in this country and there is particularly in the campaign especially given a lot of our candidates are in the levels of experience they have there's a threshold you have to meet to have people believe you can actually do that part of the job and so you're going to have to talk about it yeah all right uh Dr Guy Montegg from Twitter asks what do you think the pod accomplishes given the audience already agrees with you slash

votes damn it's nice to hear from Spencer Pratt's father-in-law first of all Dr Montegg Dr Montegg Dr Montegg

yeah it's actually a character like a Ray Bradbury character but anyway um Dr Guy Montegg I mean I guess I direct you the comments if you think that everyone agrees with their likes with they hear on the show that is not my point goes like those are quickly distributed you I think over over the years I've heard from a lot of people in real life that they are like oh I listen to you guys sometimes and like Tucker sometimes or Ben Shapiro sometimes or film the conservative

blank because a lot of people do kind of want to hear from the left and the right but I mean another big ol the show is not just to like talk to people about what's happening in the world but get them to get involved in politics be activists in their own lives knock-and-doors donate so that that's a really big part of what we do here and by matters we think yeah also the audience doesn't agree with

“itself it doesn't always agree with us and we don't always agree with each other and I think”

if you turn on say Fox News right at this moment you'll probably see a big picture of a songpiker and in between Abdul Us Alsaid and you know maybe a trans swimmer in there once in a while but but like and even in the mainstream media right like I like I think Jonathan Martin is a great reporter but when he is asking Rob Sands if he wants Kamala to campaign it is he is he has a different interest than we do in building a big democratic and successful electoral coalition and so

there does need to be a place where we can have these inter party inter movement conversations in a way that are productive and constructive and that's I think part of what we try to do with our

and that is valuable even if a lot of the audience does largely agree and vote democratic

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insurrection some great panels everyone wants a great panel yeah that's right good conversation Dan what do you think but I suggest this question I said this would be a great place for an organic plug for cricket con so let me try by the way hitting it out of the park yeah if you say organic plug it really helps yeah I also just didn't organic plug for cricket I fucking did I died I've read the brief this would be my pitch to anyone about why to come is if you are a person

who works in politics or wants to work in politics there is no better place to be to meet the people at all levels of politics who are working in their communities nationally on capital hill to actually bring change it's a great place in network and it's a great place to learn there is to use other being credible panels it's going to be a lot of fun so like this is it is a there's a real opportunity there so organic also I want to say music under that we're also like

the next two months we're all going to be on crazy about these midterms I mean nervous me looking at the poles hopefully be volunteering and what a great opportunity after the midterms to just like get together with a bunch of people and be like all right so we all just went through that together yeah we get all be together and wait for the votes for the last kind of kind of guy got to say as we can talk about the one the elections be won the ones we lost the militia we're going to put

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that's b-o-m-b-a-s.com/curricid code crooked at check-up I'm Nate Silver I'm Gailindruk and I'm Claire Malone we're back this time with our friends at crooked media for a new show called still counting yeah numbers are hard it takes very easy and frankly numbers have only gotten harder what does the data actually say how do we reconcile that with the other things that we're seeing in american politics and around the world and how do you use that data to understand or maybe

even dare to predict the future of american politics new episodes every Wednesday starting September 9 subscribe to stillcounting on youtube.com/atstillcountingpodcast or wherever you get your podcast this one is from subscriber not alijia what's your worst compulsive news consumption habit who's opening tabs i would say trying to trying to inhale news via twitter while walking a lot of walking and then sometimes going to the bathroom

yeah i was going to say a lot of tab but there's a lot of times where i'm just like well i'm like stop you're walking somewhere just walk with the phone in your pocket yeah walk with the phone

in your pocket i have too many tabs open and i often never come back to the ones i have open

and i'm just sort of always falling behind my tabs it's the my biggest regret are the longer articles that i've never gone to like as i said here i'm like oh i never read that uh uh Atlantic story about the person you had offline artillery austenharp or tyler austenharp or tyler austenharp i had that in the episode so yeah so i got the gist of it for sure and i heard you prepping for it like you were next to me prepping for it so by osmosis i feel like i kind of got the gist but uh

“you're like i remember you're changing me and you can you believe this and that's really”

called you that's the main takeaway from it uh can you believe this and so i feel a bit about it

blowing up with like ten twitter alerts i'm like you you really have that many notifications from i do because i try to spend less time in the actual feed which i found to be very bad for me mentally in a lot of ways and now still still kind of sucks and so this way i i'm trying to optimize my news consumption for the people or the things i care about hmm that's good that's smart no it's not smart because it's your under your constantly under fire under fire um

be colleta from instagram asks uh any recommendation for podcast newsletters et cetera to better understand what's happening on the right time i feel like you've got this i mean fall a will summer's false flag newsletters the bulwark is a great way to have someone curated off or you an explain it for you and kind of unravel and unpack all the insanity and the relationships and

“why they'll hit each other um but then you got to decide if you want to dive in the pool yourself”

and start listening that's that's a different that's a different beast do you want to go down the

Tucker road and catch that monologue i've always i just have always enjoyed uh he can be an asshole

about democrats he wrote i think you wrote a book called liberal fascists it tells you where it's had was that but i just always found uh jonna goldberg to be a really entertaining writer i just always had a system i have and i did that and like he's he's anti-trump he's you know he doesn't like us much he's there he doesn't like much of anything but i enjoy his content reanna from instagram asks uh i want to become a speechwriter where should i start and isabel

on instagram asks any advice for new college grads looking for campaign jobs so when i i watch the west wing and want to be a speechwriter but i didn't know real plan or or understanding for how to make that happen so as you can see from my if you've familiar with this program i sort of Korean through a lot of Korean in my life but i volunteered on the carry-eyed words campaign in 2004 i'm going to send me jonna's upstairs as as a junior speechwriter um and i just volunteered

to write anything so they needed up regional op-eds in regional newspapers newspapers with these things they printed all across the country and people could could read about their area uh and so

they would always have these surrogates that would be publishing local op-eds, congresspeople,

pastors whatever and i just would jump in sort of do the draft of them and they'd go through the chain and other people would edit them and fix them and make them make sense i didn't know what i was doing um and then there were like several hurricanes that year in 2004 there was Ivan and three or four others and so someone was always like oh we need somebody to draft the john carry thoughts and prayers hurricane victim statement and i just ended up doing a bunch of those

and the people that i was writing them for remembered that i could put a sense together when they were looking for someone to be in a junior job on capital house so for me it was like just as an intern/volunteer kind of just jumping on those things yeah work in the press office communications

“office if you want to be a speakerwriter because that's usually the best way into it because they'll”

get a chance to write and it's hard to just like apply to be a speakerwriter without previous writing and campaign experience damn tell me what about um getting campaign jobs out of college i mean i just think like don't think you can select your job take whatever job you can get and don't worry about it not being a policy job or communication job and the thing you want to do just get in the door meet the people work your ass off people will notice if you are a hard worker that's smart

that's capable that gets stuff done for them when they ask and they will give you the next thing if you suggest that you want to be a speechwriter or work in the policy office i would immediately toss your resume in the waste bin because it's like you want people who are just going to come and do whatever and then find their place and get their way love it did by just taking opportunity and

being good at it um but if people there's always a warning sign when someone says they want to do policy

as a 22 year old getting out of college going to work on a house campaign usually they've come right from Harvard Princeton some way like that love it you have some you have some question oh yeah i have a few sort of hypotheticals then i'll i'll put in front of you and i'll also just sort of thought starting questions uh there is a button in front of you if you press it you lose a month of life at the end of your life but you gain a week of your life at the current age do you press it

and if so how many times oh oh you can press it well well you lose a month at in your in your in your in your in your in your in your in your in your in your in your in your in your in your in your in your in your in your

“months the right you start well you don't know when the end of your life is no but let's assume you're”

going to live to an old age so this is sort of in your in your sort of decrepit to you're kind of declining moments you have less time but more or less time than you would gain having more time so what of my gaining is it now a 53 week year if i push it once in my yeah you are younger like a longer you have more years of your current youth in vitality be as it were uh and but time doesn't freeze no time does not freeze everything you're just going to be younger for longer but not as much as you'll

lose at the end of your life if we're talking about being like between 90 and 90 and a half I'm hammering that but wow interesting and that's not a good time you know I'm not pushing it not once

I'll push that then I'm like if you don't know I don't know if I want to push it okay I mean you're you know you're you're we're all at the point where we're likely to live deep into our 80s that's really based on that based on that they I mean it's just what the answer the the table say you know I mean the hard part is if you're in an old parent with young kids you probably want to save all that time at the end yeah it's a good point or you want to be more vital now this is the challenge

or I mean why don't you want you to just eat healthy and work out and then live a lovely

have to keep that extra month yeah press the button in the fridge in a second okay the button

so are you pressing it now pressing it next question are you president uh no okay I'm I'm committed to the idea that uh being old and falling apart is just part of the experience and you got to do the whole ride true you know do you eat up the floor uh five second rule I usually do a five second one depends on where the floor is it's something just drops quickly I mean when you say

“do you eat off the floor I imagine like four can I I ordered what are your rules so for me I think”

if it's wet no no wet food comes back up a dry food yeah for sure no problem inside outside I don't care but if it's it's about outside on the sidewalk I don't know I don't know or like a like a thumb and like an airport airports tough airports tough but home we're looking over for her oh god yeah uh next question you go back in time it's the year 1907 you're in Vienna Austria and there he is the source of so much pain and misfortune and death the artist and professor who rejected Hitler's

application to the Academy of Fine Arts with the following note quote sample drawing on satisfactory too many heads do you kill Christian Grippon Carl Grippon Hill Christian Grippon Carl why are we killing him because he rejected Hitler had he not if he is dead and Hitler's accepted to the Academy of Fine Arts there is no mention is Hitler gets it yes he is the person he was the reason he didn't get at he he was one else wasn't gonna get a man let's under under the assumption that killing

Christian Grippon Carl allows Hitler to become artists John wants more information on the admissions process is there somebody we could call is there a judge is there a judge in the tennis team yeah do you I know anybody on the board of the Vienna Society get him an NIL deal I don't want to be killed this guy of Hitler's just gonna get in anyway well that's that's a question let's blow up on your hands yeah what if the person who who's spot Hitler takes becomes a worse Hitler right yeah that's interesting

that's interesting yeah too much a too much of a bank shot smoke is it I feel like love it's guaranteed I'm saying Hitler the rise of national socialism is certainly dependent upon Hitler not becoming an

“artist so I think you can safely say I also think it's a it's quite a presumption to think that”

if Hitler didn't become an artist or Hitler did become an artist he wouldn't have found his way to Nazism somehow and then you just killed a just a personality yeah I'm just trying to save the sky right I mean there is an argument for can't justify this you know because you'll just be going to jail for the rest of your life in Austria because people we like why did you kill him you like you have no idea now I'm stuck in jail in 1908 in Austria yeah that's a bummer all right next

is the voice in your head in the first person second person third person or to the shift in other words

do you say if you say something stupid do you say why did I say that do you say to yourself why did you say that if Dan does a good job in the pod does he said I really crushed it today or does he say Dan really crushed it what do you tell me no one says the third person I know I have some people it's not mine I don't speak I don't think of myself in the third person pretty sure me you that's interesting you're a second person you speak to yourself what do you what do you do Dan first person yeah

it's funny we love it previewed this this one question to me and Tommy and I started thinking about it and I was like I don't think I do either there you did your first person you just did it and now I'm talking right now you're talking but I as like I don't know if I identify my set like there's definitely a voice in there but I don't know if it's saying like John you did this

“or I did the like I think I would lean towards I but I'm not sure that I do this at all for me I think”

it's not back at next no back it's mostly for me I it's mostly I but everyone's in while we're like fucking moron like I'll definitely throw myself a punch yeah I bet I switch up

between first and second definitely no never gonna tell me hungry does some people not have

an internal monologue is another thing that we know about yeah may become president at states final question a wizard punishes you for being disloyal to Joe Biden you are you are started to talk to but it's the wizard it's a wizard some kind of a wizard you are suddenly trapped in the body of a dog and your family home and as part of the spell your family accepts that you are a beloved family pet and that you and that you the actual you are on some kind of

extended work trip and fine how would you try to communicate what is happening to your wife and

and in fact her husband and what would your strategy be just I would give up there's no way

and we would ever be able to figure that out nor would Leo be able to communicate that too only if I was but you're you you're me but like you have your full brain you're full brain there yeah I know and knowledge but I still have I'm still have a dog body and that's right speak

“that's what you can bark you have the power of barking and pause mm-hmm uh to me what I was”

trying to get to is can I get to a point where it is clear that one bark is yes two barks is now because once you got yes and no you're off to the fucking races if you could do number you can do numbers right there's ways it's like you're an alien trying to figure out a communicate with a person I think my strategy would be to find paint and then use my pause to get them tomato sauce oh my god that's so smart Dan now now you like you know you're like you're using things on

the ground before red say paint just like there's plenty of toys in my house just like move them with my pause to spell I am that's great and by the way freaky Emily's in a panic I mean he's like did I take them right my mixing things fuck yeah I thought did I what did I take the challenge here is having Hannah be open to the universe of this communication happening and I feel like that's far more my role that the thinking the dog would talk

to me well now yeah now I'm trying to play it out because the first I would be like oh my god

Leo just or this dog whatever it would just spell that I am John so she text me and then I don't respond because I'm on an extended work trip and then you spend the things to then the wheel start rolling is this a movie it's could be it could be a movie it could be a movie all right well that was all I've gone well that's food for thought great food for thought great work there are a bunch more great questions that we didn't have time to get to today read is going to field a bunch of those in

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the data actually site how do we reconcile that what the other things that we're seeing in American politics and around the world and how do you use that data to understand or maybe even dare to predict the future of of American politics new episodes every Wednesday starting September 9th subscribe to still counting on youtube dot com slash at still counting podcast or wherever you get your podcasts I am very excited to welcome back to hot day of America the president of vote save

America Shanico McClendon great to see you good to see you too how you been has has dc seems a little

“steamy there maybe it is very hot I think it's 90 something degrees today and Donald Trump still”

looks here it's all the takes burning up the place we wanted to talk about vote save America's work this cycle and your plan to take back the house and the senate uh no pressure this year you guys launched a program called the Crooked dozen it's an effort to flip 12 of the most beatable

dozen tell us about the effort yes so when we were coming up with this list we weren't just thinking

about like what are the most competitive races out there we were thinking about who are the worst candidates out there the worst Republican in Congress who just will like get their constituents blood boiling and want to get them out of office um and so we were thinking about people who might seem like they hate their constituents like congresswoman Miller makes uh she's opposed to capping insulin prices which seems crazy and she actually has gotten into a lot of arguments with her

“constituents so she might just literally not like them and only one by I think around 700 points”

last time so she's someone who has made her constituents a degree and actually didn't have a huge margin to begin with um and so but this is part of a larger electoral strategy that we had been thinking about for some time Democrats are largely expected to win the house this year but if Democrats only have a hint you know a few seats that they have a majority with that's not really a governing majority you will have some people who might vote with Republicans sometimes and just make things

more difficult so we're thinking about how can we create a governing majority so doing that by looking at races that maybe other people are not looking at looking at fewer democratic incumbents and seeing how we can flip more Republican health seats which is how we got to some of the crooked dozen that we have now I love it get hit the gas you know it's a year this is going to be a good year we got some big momentum behind us I love that you just you mentioned Iowa because that's

also a state where there are two big statewide races where we have great Democrats at the top of the ticket you got to rob sitting run for governor I want to I just I want to govern for a

day we got to see but a great Senate candidate Josh Turek is amazing New York Times piece of

“Josh Turek today Friday September 4th that's worth your time so I think it's really smart for you”

guys to focus on some of the down ballot races that maybe you're not getting the national attention or the money but uh need our help uh one other one we should just talk about for a second is Max Miller it's pretty obvious why he's on the list we had Brian Pointexer on this show his opponent good iron worker from Ohio that feels like another exciting race we have a big good opportunity for a pickup right yeah on both sides um Brian is great but Max Miller is

I mean he's just awful he's been in the crooked dozen we'll continue to be in the crooked dozen we haven't gotten as lucky with him two of the people we're actually in the crooked dozen already have been kicked out and you know that it kind of sucks for us because I would have loved to beat them same but one of them Andy Ogles he was just too extreme and he did not make it out of his Republican primary you imagine being like too crazy for like the current Naga primary base anyway

“can you do you sorry yeah which I think says something that could be exciting about at least”

just having normal Republicans in Congress again um and then in North Carolina 11 I'm not from North Carolina 11 but I am from North Carolina so this got me excited um Charles oh sorry check Edward which I guess this name is Charles um yeah he just had some weird harassment scandal I think he was censured recently and he gave some of his women staffers guns so just a lot of crazy stuff happening in that office but now they're not in the crooked dozen anymore um so we replaced them we actually

ran a little competition online to see who our audience thought the next two additions to the crooked dozen should be and those results led to David Valadillo and California 22 and gave Evans in Colorado 8 if you you know if if anyone wants to see it they can go look at the post and see some of the comments from people who live in those districts and how strong feelings about that I love that you gotta get let the people decide what the masses dictate to us who gets on this list

we should just say check Edward's gigantic creep I believe um he he harassed his staffers so often that he gave one of them I think a jigsaw puzzle we have a form of an invitation to a date like buddy what are you doing um but yes no I'm glad we uh we removed them and added some new folks to target all right so let's talk about how uh votes of America's tactics this year are not the same as they were in 2024 how are they evolving how are you guys thinking differently about these races

something that we have done since votes of America was started is always make sure when we

are asking people to give us their time attention or energy or time attention or money that we're spending it as effectively as possible and so after 2024 you know I think a lot of people listening to this podcast probably went in knock doors they called voters but if you are existing in today's world when you knock on those doors a lot of people have you know I know simply safe is one of our advertisers yeah yeah yeah and a lot of people do not want to talk to the

ambassadors who are coming by and then I don't okay I've gotten mixed answers on this you have an iPhone are you're text messages filtered now oh god yeah it doesn't always help what they are yeah but you see a lot less of those like campaign text coming through so if you have people who are calling and it says potential spam people don't answer that and they're just trying to get you to vote same with those

and you know in addition to kind of those changes we also know that people they trust the people

who are in their lives if they follow people online they trust the people that they've chose to follow online so the stuff that we're doing this year is really focused on how do we meet people kind of in their personal relationships but also on their kind of like very social and online relationships

“and that's what we're going to be mobilizing our audience around this year and so I won't go into”

a ton of detail we actually will be having a call this evening if you are hearing this on Tuesday and so you can go to vote save america.com to sign up or we're going to go into more detail but generally we will be training the audience on how to map their network into the target

server focused on so they can talk to the people they know in those places and get them to vote

make sure they know stuff like you know the David Valadeo voted to throw a bunch of people off of Medicaid even though he has one of the highest percentage of Medicaid recipients in his district and so that's the kind of information we want to make sure people have to talk to the people they know but we're also going to go online and make sure that we're engaging with some of the content that can reach people who might not otherwise pay attention to what's happening in politics

“but also make sure you can share stuff in your group chats and just our meeting people”

more directly and that's not to say that they're knocking and and phone banking don't matter

in certain places they do but after so many hundreds of thousands of people over a billion dollars

were spent in 2024 we just knew that there were some new tactics that needed to be in the mix when we're trying to win these elections got to evolve like Darwin over here in the political world we got to evolve all right where can folks go to get involved if they like what you're saying if they want to be part of it and they want to toss out the curtain doesn't go to vote save america.com you can sign up for the call that we have this evening john favro will an abdule al seid will be

joining me in credit cards so it will be an exciting call and just generally you can go to vote save america.com one other thing all throw in there is you know this work requires a lot of money if you are paying attention to political news right now a lot of donors are still really frustrated about 2024 but a lot of votes have america's work has been able to continue because of the people who listen to this podcast so I want to say thank you for that and if you are in a

space to you know donate a little bit more and through our anxiety relief program which is a monthly recurring donation program it really will help us in getting this work done and if you don't

“have the resources to do that your time and attention is just important so if you go to vote”

save america.com you can find all the ways to get involved excellent well thank you for all the work you're doing thanks to everybody out there who has donated volunteer gotten involved in some way talk to their friends about politics just try to encourage people to care we got some hope people yes this now is our moment these midterms knock on everything I feel like they're going to get them and it's step one to twenty twenty eight yeah that's exactly right yeah we got

a get some momentum and some winded our back and then we're going right into twenty twenty eight sheneka great to see you yeah thanks for all the work and talk to you yeah thanks the sheneka for coming on the pod and thanks to all of you for submitting your questions as a reminder you can find a volunteer opportunity near you or donate to the fund to defeat the cricket dozen at vote save america.com Dan and I will be back with a new show in your feeds on Friday

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